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Continue the conversation long after the 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.680 final bell And what did I forget the newsletter? Yes, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.400 while you're on our website, because I know everyone out 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.960 there is staking out our website. There's a sign up 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.680 form for the newsletter. Sign up for that five star reviews. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.360 Let's just empty the clip here, Dan, anything else that 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:20.359 we need to get out of the way. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.520 In terms of housekeeping, I've got a new shirt ready 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.160 to go. Ty you tell me, do you I've got 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.920 a new Solid Verbal shirt that has been approved by 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:29.960 the powers that be. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.640 Wait, did I see this one? 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There is this the the 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:12.000 cal thing. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.919 This is this is the many cups of coffee thing 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:20.000 first and foremost. But okay, let's start with the cal thing. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:25.040 California has announced your your native homeland, Daniel. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.600 Yeah, are you talking state or Berkeley? Because there's a 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.520 Berkeley news story too that they're going fully online this fall. 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:32.360 I don't have that one I was talking about. 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.720 Yeah, that just broke the California Interscholastic Federation. But do 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.880 we want to start with Berkeley instead? What's going on 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:39.320 up there. 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.960 No, they're just they are regretful, but they're going to 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.800 online learning only this fall, and an announcement that comes 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.440 on the heels of some other schools. You know, we 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.160 saw the cal State announcement a few weeks back. USC 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.920 having that announcement, I guess a couple of weeks ago now, 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.320 but yeah, more and more, I guess big schools as 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.680 Berkeley is. Berkeley is a Power five school going to 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.920 online learning only, which doesn't mean that there isn't necessarily 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.400 going to be an on field product this fall for 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.520 the cal Bears, but it certainly is not a movement 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.160 in the right direction. We talked about that a little bit. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.920 Optics wise with Nicole auerback house school can go from 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:22.279 saying we don't feel like students in classrooms is the 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.520 way to go from a public health perspective, but we're 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.960 still cool with football players. That's a tough optic cell. 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.839 But there still will be an optic cell if there 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.880 is that continued desire to play a season on the 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:35.760 Berkeley campus. 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:37.040 I think that's right. 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.839 Okay, So the story that I had previously listed atop 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:47.200 our news sheet is that the California Interscholastic Federation cif 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.480 CIF it's the governing body for the state of high 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.800 school sports in California. They announced on Monday the earliest 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:59.200 their football season and the remainder of their fall sports 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:04.200 will start is December twenty twenty. The move, as you 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:08.640 might expect, could have a major impact on college football recruiting. 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.520 It could set a precedent not just in the state 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:16.480 of California, but other states. Amid the coronavirus pandemic. I 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.320 saw also that they might push it off to twenty 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.960 twenty one. The earliest they would consider again is December 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:29.560 or January. So, in light of this news and light 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.920 of the Berkeley news, I don't know if there's a 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.160 drum beat. I don't know if there's momentum. I don't 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.760 know what you want to call it or classify it as. 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.760 But I feel like we are very quickly coming to 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.680 that point of, Hey, the spring's got so bad, we 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.240 could find a way to make the spring work. 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.520 Potentially, Yeah, I mean a move like this, which is 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.440 certainly not going isn't the first and won't be the 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:58.280 last in terms of major state high school systems postponing 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:03.560 football and fall sports. US just enormous ramifications. When you 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.800 think about the players who might decide to forego their 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.560 senior year of high school football if they're committed somewhere 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.679 or anticipate committing somewhere and enrolling early instead of playing 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.520 in a December or January season or starting in December 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:22.040 or January, we're talking about players getting fewer reps, less experience, 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.720 less coaching. In terms of players who would have made 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.560 a jump recruiting wise because of a strong senior year, 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.440 either because you know, maybe they had to sit out 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.360 their junior year because they were in the midst of 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.000 a transfer and weird academic shuffling occurred, or they were 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.680 hurt their junior year. It's going to affect the depth 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.440 of classes on the Power five level. It might actually 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.080 improve classes on the G five level. You know, if 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.200 we're going to specifically look at California, you know, schools 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:55.240 like San Jose State, Nevada, Boise State, you know, thinking 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.520 about San Diego State, whatever, Mountain West schools specifically closer 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.200 to the West Coast, they're the ones that might not 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.040 have their best players poached after having huge senior years 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:10.720 by Oregon, Oregon State, cal Stamford, whatever, and so those 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.360 schools might be fortifying their classes a little bit better. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.080 But in the end, I think it's it's a big 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.640 negative in terms of how it affects college football and 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.240 high school football. I mean, it's a California high school 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.960 football is It's not I suppose Texas or Florida or 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.440 Georgia or Ohio in terms of cultural importance, But in 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.360 terms of the numbers that it states into major college football, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:31.800 it's hut big state. 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.600 Yeah, yeah, all right, what else? 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:41.640 So, the Southwestern Athletic Conference the SWACK yeah, has postponed 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:47.600 fall sports and championships because of the pandemic. They have 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:52.480 begun plans to push the fall schedule to the spring semester. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.000 According to a statement that was provided to ESPN on Monday, 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.920 the plans for football include a seven game conference schedule 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.440 that begins with an eight week training period in January. 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.560 Commissioner Charles McClellan said games would begin near the end 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.720 of February or beginning of March. Each school will play 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.360 six conference games for Divisional, two non Divisional, with the 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:19.040 option to play one non con game. So again, perhaps 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.600 a bit of a trickle up effect, maybe starting at 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.920 the high school level, working all the way up to 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:28.600 major college football. But Southwestern Athletic Conference jumping on in 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.760 to my knowledge of the first athletic conference to sort 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.959 of just go all out and say we're going to 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:36.640 try and do this in the spring. I don't think 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.880 maybe this I have tried to do that yet. Meanwhile, 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.960 in the great state of Texas, clinging to hope, I 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.120 think that we might have something this fall. There's a 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.679 headline here on ESPN that Texas is aiming for fifty 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:55.320 percent capacity at football games. The University of Texas says 0:08:55.320 --> 0:09:00.400 it anticipates hosting football games fifty percent capacity in the Sands. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:05.720 Chris del Conti, their ad emailed season ticket holders on Monday, 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.520 told in that school's working closely with the governor's office 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:14.000 following state guidelines on social distancing amid the pandemic. This 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.720 strikes me as extremely wishful thinking, but the kind of 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.400 communications that at this juncture you need to send out 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:24.360 because we've got the SEC, we've got the ACC, we've 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.760 got the Big Twelve. None of them have formally committed 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.679 to the whole conference only games thing. Certainly there hasn't 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.839 There hasn't been much public in the way of moving 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.520 the season altogether to a different semester. I understand why 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.120 they send this out, but again, given recent circumstances and 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.440 the news of the world, it does feel a little 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:44.360 bit like wishful thinking. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.400 Yeah, not exactly a plan. Not exactly a plan. It's 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.040 more of optimism. I'm aiming to have an eight pack 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.960 and toss down windmill dunks by the end of the year. 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.719 But that's just something I'm aiming for. That doesn't necessarily 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.040 mean it's based in reality. In Texas right now is 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.840 not one of the better states in terms of public 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:06.559 health and the ability to not just flatten, but really 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.360 put a dent in COVID nineteen. If you look at 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:13.120 you know, the hospitalization rate and the infection rates as 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.560 it relates to testing, Texas is not in a fantastic place. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.760 And I know, you know, Austin's obviously a bigger city 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.839 within Texas, and it's just it's rough. Houston's in a 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:28.440 bad place. It's hard to imagine with how Texas specifically 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.800 and a lot of major college football states have done 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.360 a pretty poor job and are seeing pretty big spikes. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:37.200 You look at the per capita numbers throughout the South California, Arizona, 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:41.360 now Nevada. It's I think your term of wishful thinking 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.120 is probably the accurate one. This is not a state 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.240 that has made sound decisions along the way. And it's 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.640 very hard to make sound decisions, I know, because this 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.880 is such a new thing. But of all the states 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:58.600 that are being optimistic about getting live action in front 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:03.640 of people, even a fifty capacity situation, this feels a 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:05.920 bit out of reality to. 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:07.880 Our earlier point from a show or two a go. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.679 If a school like Texas decides, ah, we can't do this, 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.160 then you'll see some real dominoes. But for now, fifty 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.839 percent capacity, we'll we'll stick to that company line, and hey, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.800 we'll hope for the best. I want to see football 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:26.439 sooner than later, but well, time will tell elsewhere. Amid 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:32.240 this seemingly weird time for scheduling in college football, we 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:37.800 had the Alabama athletic director shooting down Notre Dame as 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:44.800 a twenty twenty opponent BYU is reportedly targeted as a 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.160 Week one replacement. So you might recall Alabama had USC 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:49.960 on the schedule Week one. That game is not going 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.160 to happen because of the Pac twelves announcement, and so 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.920 Alabama's basically out there trying to figure out, right, well. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:57.800 Who else will we play? 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.920 BYU, as it stands is look for games as well, 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.720 and so the reports are that that could be your 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:09.040 opener because BYU I think had Utah for the Holy 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.679 War week one, and now that they're both looking for 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.679 some action, BYU could obviously fill fill that gap. 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.440 Correct, Yeah, I mean BYU, as an independent school, has 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.960 to be pretty terrified of what their schedule could look 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.160 like the more and more, especially with the PAC twelve 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.839 going conference only slate this fall. It's they're in a 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.360 tough spot and it makes sense for Alabama, and Alabama 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.400 I believe has a home and home on the books 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:35.880 with Notre Dame already. Correct. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.400 Yeah, in twenty twenty eight and twenty twenty nine, so 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:42.280 a bit off, a bit off in the future. I know. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.320 We talked to Pete Sampson last week. He I think 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.880 mentioned that to Brian Kelly and he said, Brian Kelly's 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:48.840 eyes got real big. 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:49.480 Yeah. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.560 And good for Alabama for not just you know, if 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.000 the USC game is officially off the books. Good for 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.480 Alabama for finding a team that just beat USC and 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:58.200 scheduling up. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.520 I like it, Yeah, and the final news bullet here 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.360 again something just to keep your eyes on. Iowa's coach, 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:10.200 Kirk ference was apparently aware of racial bias within the 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:15.720 program after a twenty eighteen internal investigation. That is, per 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:20.319 a document acquired by Hawkeye Nation. They filed a Foyer 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:25.920 request to see that internal report. Iowa had created a 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.400 diversity task force. They found that black players were targeted 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.560 for more drug testing, they weren't informed of resources available 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:37.160 to student athletes, more harshly punished, expected to conform to culture, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.800 that the white players set a lot of bad stuff 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:45.040 in their verbal harassment by coaches. The report was supposedly 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:49.480 read by Kirk Farence in twenty nineteen, according to Hawkeye Nation, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.760 but he only made some minor changes to the culture 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.040 of the program prior to last season. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.199 Not fully shocking given the comments that we've seen recently. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.000 And it was all sort of set off by James 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.880 Daniels and a Moni hooker and talking about the culture 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.520 of Iowa football and how you know, one of the 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.800 things in the report that comes up a term a lot, 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.880 and they interviewed a number of players. It was double 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:15.560 standard and the desire from those in charge at Iowa 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:21.000 to as you mentioned, conform black players to white culture 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.000 and to Iowa culture. And there is there is a 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.240 certain degree of Yes, you enroll at a school, you 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.640 become part of a college football program. You tried to 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.680 become a part of that program's culture. But when it's 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:39.240 drawn along racial lines, it's tough tie. It was a 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:45.160 tough read, and I'm sure Kirk Farens sort of adjusted 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:48.560 the way Iowa's football program did things when he knew 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.960 only he and a select fewer reading this report, And 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.200 now that many people have seen this report, it seems 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.280 like he's taking on a different tone. I just don't 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.960 know how many chances Kirk Farence gets. I understand that 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.240 when you win football games and you have prolonged success 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.640 like Ioways had in a very tough Big ten, that 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:10.600 you're afforded more opportunity and more leeway. But geez, I 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.640 know he's he's had a chance over what twenty years 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.880 to sort of become more inclusive and get to know 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.400 the players and is within his program and to sort 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:24.720 of build the culture around the people he brings into 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.200 it instead of just how he believes, you know, nineteen 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:32.200 year old should behave. I don't know, ty this just 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.640 it feels increasingly tone deaf from Kirk Farence and so 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.480 I don't know what's going to happen because he has 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.400 certainly accumulated a good amount of power there. But the 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.120 Iowa football program is under a magnifying glass like they've 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.880 never been. And this is it's not a pretty read 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:48.200 at all. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:48.960 That's what I say. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.320 Keep your eyes peeled here. This feels like feels like 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.080 there's more to come. Okay, So look, if you've got 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.880 news that you want to discuss again, it's soliverble at Gmail. 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.520 We read all the messages. We want to do our 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.520 part to keep the conversation going here in the long cold, 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.840 the longest night of college football as we wait for 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:15.280 the next season to arrive. On our show a week ago, 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.160 we talked about some stuff, didn't we do? 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:20.040 We did? 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.160 I mean, we always talk about some stuff, but you 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.520 put a pin in a certain topic and said, okay, 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.200 this is something that we can discuss for at least 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.120 twenty seven to thirty eight minutes next week. And I 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:32.560 agreed with you, and so here we are. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.800 What we did a week ago was we did our 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:41.640 college Football Bangers episode, And essentially what that was was 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.400 us looking at schedules, as they say in right Now, 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:51.600 conference schedules and putting together like the most baller five 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.160 games slate for a number of teams. And at the 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:59.640 very end of that conversation you started kicking around ideas 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:00.680 for the postseason. 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:02.960 What happened in the postseason? 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.240 If you've got an abbreviated season, how do you determine 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.840 a champion? How do you even think about determining that champion? 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.000 And we decided then and there live on the air. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.560 Yeah, it's always going to be pit. It's just going 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.560 to be pit no matter what. That's what we settled on. 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.439 The question de jore is what do we do with 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:26.440 bowls and the whole process of finding a champion in 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.479 a bunch of different scenarios. So why let's start here? Okay, 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.720 let's start with a scenario in which we've got a 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:41.280 full twelve game season for some and so I guess 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.479 what the SEC, the ACC and the Big Twelve. 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:45.320 They filled some gaps. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.640 We talked about Alabama BYU and they're turning two other 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.840 conferences and to each other to fill in gaps left 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:53.960 by potentially the PAC twelve and Big ten. 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.000 So we got a full twelve game season for three 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:02.000 Power five conferences, and then we have an adjusted season 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.359 for some of the other ones. So I'm assuming our 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.280 first scenario here is like an asymmetrical season. Some teams 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.920 play twelve, some teams play ten. Maybe some teams don't 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.959 even get to ten. Yes, how do we determine a champion? 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.120 Dan? Have you thought about this? Do we do bowls? 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:19.680 What does that look like? 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.920 What if I told you that some conferences play eight 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.880 conference games and some play nine in an ordinary season. 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:33.040 Sometimes teams play FCS school sometimes teams don't. What if 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:37.760 I told you college football is an already asymmetrically scheduled sport. 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:39.560 What if I told you that. 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:41.720 I would tell you that you're pretty close here, Dan, 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:46.400 this is this is probably the best of the best 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:47.280 case scenarios. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.359 Yes, the best of the best. 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.199 I have not heard much of anyone talking about a 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.560 full twelve games slate if they're able to pull off 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.760 a season this fall. It seems like ten is the number. 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:01.760 When I talked to Pete last week, he said ten. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:03.680 Been reading a lot. 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.360 Of articles out there talking about how ten games might 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.280 be an appropriate target. I don't know if it's a 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.480 realistic target. I just it seems like twelve is probably 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:14.960 too many at this point. But for the purposes of 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:19.399 conversation and this thought exercise, if that were the case, 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:21.200 I don't think it would look. 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.040 All that different than it does right now. Right Like, 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.560 you could still do most of the same stuff. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.360 Schedules might be a little bit different, and I'm sure 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.879 logistically that would be a headache for athletic directors and 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.920 the powers that be, But ultimately, a little bit of 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:36.960 an asymmetrical season isn't the end of the world. That 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:38.160 would be pretty good. 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:44.360 So, as we've now learned, the point of college football 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.000 happening at all is largely going to be the money. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.520 It's more of the season being more important financially than 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.240 the postseason, or the idea of not necessarily the postseason, 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:56.040 because obviously there's a lot of money in the postseason. 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.040 There's bowl money and College Football Playoff money and all 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.159 sorts of TV money tied up in that. But the 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:06.320 point of college football in twenty twenty specifically is not 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.720 to name a champion. Can we agree? It's more of 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.840 the season just unfolding at all. That's the big goal. 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.840 As we stand in late July. Does that make sense? 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:15.760 That makes sense to me. 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:19.680 Yeah, okay, so a champion would be amazing. It would 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.080 be incredible to figure out a way to have a champion, 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:23.880 But the first step is just figuring out if there's 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:25.800 gonna be a season. If a season can happen at all, 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.640 that's the actual big win. The national champion, I think 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:30.960 is sort of despite the fact at this point, because 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:32.399 we don't know if it's going to be moved to spring, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.200 canceled altogether. So if we can have a full on season, 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.400 that's already the win. So I'm not as concerned about 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.400 naming a national champion, but I guess I've never been 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:43.000 as concerned about naming a national champion what I would 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.440 probably do in terms off I'm thinking about public health. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.080 If I'm thinking about bowl games and saying, okay, well, 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.600 this is a big financial hit if we don't have 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:52.800 bowl games, let's figure out a way to have them 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.840 in a safe and responsible way. I suppose it's just 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:59.320 taking a week after the regular season, taking that week 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.440 off an additional bye week after, and I don't think 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.399 we need conference championship games either. Tie to me, that 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.520 just seems especially when you look at recent results. Sure, 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.200 you're gonna have some years where you have Alabama Georgia 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:12.880 and it's a huge deal and they haven't played each 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:14.000 other during the regular season. 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:14.520 But even when you. 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.320 Look at last year, it was not a particularly exciting 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.400 slate of conference championship games. It didn't really prove all 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.680 that much. I know Oregon Utah was the big one 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.840 in terms of Okay, these are two teams that are 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:28.720 highly ranked, and we don't have a clear sense of 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.760 who's better going in. Whereas Ohio State had already beaten Wisconsin, 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:37.679 Clemson Virginia was sort of a clear foregone conclusion. LSU Georgia, 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:39.840 I suppose on a certain level. But Georgia had lost 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.640 to South Carolina. Oklahoma Baylor had already played each other. 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.080