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Speaker 2: Believe Manipulation from two rays of Lights who've actually experienced it.

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Speaker 3: I am Lolablanc and I am Megan Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Today is part one of our interview with Demetria, survivor

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Speaker 2: of an Oregon New Age group called Twin Ray, not

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Speaker 2: got out. Before we get into to it, Megan, what's

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Speaker 1: This story an episode has really gotten me reflecting on

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Speaker 1: But I am a person who has gotten sucked into

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Speaker 2: You go, Meggane, you go, you go for years?

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Speaker 2: Oh my lord, everybody should read On Being Certain by

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Speaker 2: Robert A. Burton showing that out again. That book is

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Speaker 3: One of the reasons people have kids.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, if you want to convert me to your religion,

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Speaker 3: You're going to become a meganism.

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Speaker 2: A mechanism.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my religion. I just made it up.

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Speaker 1: I can totally see where you would end up there,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I'm interested to see how it evolves.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Never thought i'd hear you say it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I wouldn't believe it it just before

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Speaker 2: And there he was, and there he was. How and

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Speaker 2: when did he link up with Shakina? Like how deep

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Speaker 4: No. I thought it was like really serious, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know? Yeah, But I think the way, well the

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Speaker 4: And he would say, I have no frame of reference.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they were. They were the and not only

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Speaker 4: they created the monopoly right away.

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Speaker 2: What what does any of this mean?

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Speaker 4: Kind of but kind of a many definitions. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: Okay, They're kind of story of getting together involves standing

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Speaker 4: Know, totally totally, and that they've really used that to

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Speaker 2: that's the worst British accent that I have ever heard.

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00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 2: She slips into Australians sometimes it sounds like PBS not

438
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: even I feel like the PBS actors are better at

439
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: British accents than she is. But for some reason, her

440
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: like soul is British. Like, what's the explanation there? Yeah?

441
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the explanation was that her voice started to

442
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 4: mutate at a certain point. I mean I remember when

443
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 4: she changed it. It was like May of twenty nineteen

444
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 4: or something. It starts to mutate, she said, because as

445
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 4: she was being liberated from her genetics. And it is

446
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 4: worth noting that there was no none of their followers

447
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 4: are from the UK.

448
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: So.

449
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 5: No one's like, hey, that sounds weird.

450
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's like, okay, all of a sudden it

451
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 4: hit me. Wait wow, yeah, it's like none of the

452
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 4: followers are from the UK, Like I think there was

453
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 4: maybe one or two that came to the retreats and

454
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 4: then they were god like you never saw them again.

455
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 4: They were like that accent like this yeah yeah, no.

456
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean, but also, if you're claiming that it's mutating,

457
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: there's like you're leaving room for explanation about how it's

458
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: a spiritual accent. Yeah yeah, yeah.

459
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about how she got the accent

460
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: because it was through about of meningitis I believe.

461
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 4: Oh that's so funny. They thought that. Yeah, somebody else

462
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 4: thought that too. No, so the meningitis was like back

463
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 4: in twenty ten, okay, so that was like yeah, that

464
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 4: was like way before.

465
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: So she had a near death experience, sued Spirit Airlines

466
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: I believe it was or some airlines because she said

467
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: she got meningitis, died, her soul left her body.

468
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 5: It's worth noting here.

469
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: I used to go to a reiki hiller who said

470
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: she was a walk in because she died, her soul

471
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: left her body and now she was an angel. And

472
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: I was like, that's so great. Here's two hundred dollars,

473
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: So I totally understand the draw of that that story.

474
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 5: So she kind of said, yeah, I died of meningitis.

475
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: Somebody knew as in my body, and I'm no longer

476
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: this woman who used to be a fel actress in Hollywood.

477
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 5: I am the divine feminine in God.

478
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's a divine mother, claim to be divine Mother,

479
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 4: the incarnation of divine Mother. And what was fascinating is

480
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 4: so I don't know if you read the deposition.

481
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: I did one of the art.

482
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, they pulled up the deposition and there actually was

483
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 4: no indication in the medical record that she really ever

484
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 4: died or that even that there was even any coma

485
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: in the deposition. So and it was interesting too because

486
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 4: they would repeat their stories, you know, over and over,

487
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 4: and I would listen to every interview they were on,

488
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 4: and it was always, you know, she had a six day,

489
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 4: six night death initiation and that's when supposedly her soul

490
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 4: left and then divine Mother came in. And that happened

491
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 4: in twenty ten, and they always said ten ten ten,

492
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 4: it happened on ten ten ten, you know, so magical.

493
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 4: It happened on ten ten ten, And right there in

494
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 4: the deposition. It says she was resting and recovering on

495
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: October eighth, Like they just they made that whole thing

496
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 4: up right. And what was really fascinating to me was

497
00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 4: in the deposition that came out like two years after this, ah,

498
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 4: right after the meningitis.

499
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: Okay, the supposed.

500
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 4: Death initiation, the supposed incarnation of Divine Mother, So she

501
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: would have been incarnated as Divine Mother for about two

502
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 4: years when that deposition happened.

503
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 5: Okay, wow.

504
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 4: And on it she says, she says, my primary love

505
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 4: is acting, not feeling people, not therapy.

506
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: Acting right right, right, right, Like it's a good story,

507
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: Like I good, I you know, having had a loved

508
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: one who was in the hospital, like in a coma

509
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: and in a vegetative state. And then when he finally

510
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: started talking, he said something about like that seemed very

511
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: spiritually charged to us, Like I totally see how someone

512
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: being in a hospital and having this near death experience

513
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: allegedly would seem like, yeah, that's the origins of that

514
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: is how you have a spiritual awakening or access something

515
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: like It's a really compelling story, and especially if it

516
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: was actually on that date, I could see how it

517
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: would just feel like things are fitting together, and.

518
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 4: The people have had spiritual experiences. I mean really, people

519
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: have had near death experiences. I've said this before and

520
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: some people get really upset. They They're like, no, there's

521
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 4: no such thing. And but you know, my I'm not

522
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 4: I'm not here to gaslight anyone. You know, if you

523
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 4: tell me you're from Neptune and you know you you

524
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 4: have a certain experience, I will believe you. I will

525
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 4: believe you. No, really, I will believe you you are

526
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: in people are innocent until I have enough information to

527
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 4: prove otherwise.

528
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: I will believe that they have the experience and are

529
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: not not like trying to mislead me. I won't necessarily

530
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: believe they're from Neptune. But but I believe that they

531
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: believe they are, you know, exactly, exactly exactly.

532
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: And there's not about making them into a guru. Right,

533
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 4: So it's not about you know, like you're telling me

534
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: your experience. But does that mean that I need to

535
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 4: hand over my life to you? Does that mean I

536
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 4: need to you know, give give you authority over my life?

537
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: And that's where it got really complicated in this.

538
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with her, of course, there was no way

539
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: for you to know this in the beginning, but like,

540
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: you know, there are people who have experiences like this

541
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: and start claiming that they have spiritual authority, and it

542
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: kind of seems like they really believe it, or maybe

543
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: they even have delusions or like certain kinds of epilepsy,

544
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: so you know, they really believe it. But with her,

545
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: there was like pretty calculated decisions to mislead people about

546
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: her background, Like it doesn't seem like she could have

547
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: really believed it initially. Maybe she convinced herself. Do you

548
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: agree with that.

549
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: That's a very good point. Yeah, because that's always a

550
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: question is like did they really believe it and then

551
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: they're just or did they really make some decisions knowingly

552
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 4: misrepresenting and knowing that people are being misled.

553
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: Right, And of course there's always like a well, sometimes

554
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: people mislead people, but they do believe it, and they

555
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: think they're misleading them because they need to.

556
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they higher good.

557
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: I think they met each other and we're like, we

558
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: can have a really good business and story here, and

559
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: then they convinced themselves it was true.

560
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 5: A little bit.

561
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 4: I don't disagree with that. You know, it's like he

562
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 4: has a background in sales at one point he did

563
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: try to be an actor himself, but it didn't work out.

564
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 5: It's kind of working out.

565
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I.

566
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 4: Mean he's a magician too.

567
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: He's a magician.

568
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 5: Go ahead, he's got.

569
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean, and those come into play later in the

570
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: story in a very big way.

571
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: Right right, right right right, Oh my gosh. Okay, I

572
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: can't wait to talk about that. But describe to us

573
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: what being a part of this group is like at

574
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: that stage, Like it's online, you're watching the things. Are

575
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: you in an official course?

576
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 5: Yet?

577
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: Like how does it all work? How many other people

578
00:30:59,280 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: are doing it?

579
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: So? Yeah, so like I'm just doing his classes online.

580
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: At first, they're just recordings, you know, and and it's

581
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: called Portals of Liberation. I want to be free. I

582
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: want to be free. Who doesn't want to be free?

583
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 4: So I'm taking his classes I'm doing And then when

584
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: they come together, right away they launched a program and

585
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: they announced that they are offering what they call an

586
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 4: ascendant ship, which is a private mentorship. And so keep

587
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: in mind, they got together in December, they offer this

588
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: ascended ship in January like a month later, Like yeah, yeah,

589
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: like lightning fast, I mean, they really like just took

590
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 4: off and uh, you know, here I was and I

591
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 4: had I was, I really believed in him, and then

592
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: I shut down anything else and and I was like okay,

593
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: you know, like like I could use some help in

594
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 4: my life right now. And you know, again, it's just

595
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: weaved into so much of my subconscious like like gosh,

596
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 4: you know, what if what if he is the second Coming?

597
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 4: And like here they are, like here's the guru, here's

598
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 4: the guru. Here's the teacher I've been looking for, and

599
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 4: and uh, they've come to like save my life, you know.

600
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 4: I mean I was not in the best place and

601
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 4: and here they're offering to privately mentor me, and I

602
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: just feel like it's this great opportunity.

603
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: It was he saying that he was the second Coming

604
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: already at that point.

605
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 4: He didn't directly say it, but he really alluded to

606
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: it in his course. You know, you know he trained

607
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: with Baba Gently. Yeah, Jesus trained with Baba g and

608
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 4: you know he would make all these like connections.

609
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: But also I was playing physically he was like looked

610
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: like Jesus on purpose.

611
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: Like the pictures like the pictures of him.

612
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and Baba Ge. Sorry for anyone who didn't

613
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: hear the episode where we talked about Babaji. Can you

614
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 2: just explain what that you do?

615
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 4: I need to listen to that episode. Suppose he's an

616
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: he is legendary legend has it that he is an

617
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 4: immortal yogi and he he materializes and dematerializes only for

618
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 4: the most chosen spiritual adepts on the path.

619
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: Wow, it's so interesting to hear you put it like that,

620
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: because I feel like, you know, one of the things

621
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: with Mormonism, there's kind of room in the lore, in

622
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: the belief system itself for people to be like, ah,

623
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: I spoke to an angel, I am a prophet, you know,

624
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: like because if that's the origin, I didn't really know

625
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: about this idea of Babaji, but it seems like similarly,

626
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: there's so much room in that idea for people to

627
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 2: be like, guess what saw Babaji, I'm the guy, you know,

628
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: Like it's just like ripe for the pick end quote

629
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: unquote gurus.

630
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm so glad you mentioned that. Yeah,

631
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 4: so I've heard your I've heard some bits and pieces

632
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 4: of your story too, and I've been following a lot

633
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: of I've actually drawn a lot of strength from ex

634
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 4: Mormons like just the power in that group and in

635
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 4: that movement to you know, to really speak up and

636
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: stand up and just really amazing people that have come

637
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: out and and freakishly similar, like when I hear about

638
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 4: the story of Joseph Smith, it's like whoa, okay.

639
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, and all these other guys being like, oh,

640
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: Marona came to me too. You know, I can relate

641
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: to you taking this private class because I have been

642
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 2: a real sucker lately for social media courses, and every

643
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: time I see one advertise me, I'm like, oh, I

644
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: should take that. I should Look how many are you taking?

645
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: Lola, Lola, and let's do us now, how many are

646
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: you want?

647
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: And Okay, I've purchased three and I've done a lot.

648
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: They're not that expensive. Though they're not that expensive. It's like,

649
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: you know, it's not that bad. Don't worry. I'm not

650
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: getting the more expensive classes. But I'm really I'm really

651
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: trying to like learn how to fucking do this thing

652
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: to promote my music, and at you know, they get

653
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: me every time. I mean they don't actually get me

654
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: every time, but every time I'm very tempted to be like, oh,

655
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 2: I should take the private class. Oh, I should get

656
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: the one on one. You know, it just feels like

657
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: they're gonna have this all this information that I need.

658
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: You know, obviously very different context, but like you know,

659
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: once you're watching somebody's videos and you think they have

660
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: good information, like the next step is is not that

661
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: far off?

662
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was like everything was sort of a promise,

663
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: like every next thing it was very linear, very hierarchical,

664
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 4: and so it was like this this next thing, No,

665
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 4: this is really going to be a breakthrough. You know.

666
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 4: Was that kind of thing like if you just do

667
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: this next class, like Okay, maybe you've been frustrated with

668
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: you know, the last twenty thousand you've spent and the

669
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 4: last ten classes maybe, but if you just do this

670
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: one more thing, this is really powerful. Like this is

671
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 4: really where you really show yourself for whatever.

672
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: Were you feeling value from the classes? Like it didn't

673
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: feel like it was helping you.

674
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 4: You know, I'm so glad you're asking this because I've

675
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: had to really reflect on like what helped, like what

676
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 4: really helped me and like what didn't. I didn't find

677
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 4: the classes. Classes were maybe mediocre. I think I could say, yeah,

678
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 4: I know the initial class was helpful. The first, okay,

679
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 4: you know it was it was because it was new

680
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 4: information for me, So he was presenting a lot of

681
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 4: new information that I had not heard, so that that

682
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 4: was like, okay, this is interesting. And then there was

683
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 4: like a clearing you know, like clearing your your field

684
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 4: and clearing your energy. So it's like you can kind

685
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 4: of like a feeling of like kind of starting fresh,

686
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: kind of wiping this slight, clean feeling. So it's like, okay,

687
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 4: this is good sort of. I did get kind of

688
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 4: a weird feeling at times though, to be honest, when

689
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 4: I look back, I would always feel this, and even

690
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: when I was in private mentorship with them, It's something

691
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 4: I had never felt before. But it was like this

692
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: like really empty, dark void. And I told them that

693
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: like at one during a class, like I spoke up

694
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: and I said, yeah, you know, I've been feeling this

695
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: like emptiness and like feels really ominous and scary, like

696
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 4: even kind of scary, and like she would say, Oh,

697
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 4: you shouldn't describe it that way. That's not the way

698
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 4: you should describe it. It's because you haven't experienced it before,

699
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: you know, you really should describe it as something new.

700
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, okay. You know, like it

701
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 4: was always like you always had to use positive language

702
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 4: and describing of their courses or anything about them.

703
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: Right.

704
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: Something that struck me, sorry, Lila, But something that struck

705
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: me as interesting too is.

706
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 5: That how you paid them was kind of a red

707
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 5: flag to you.

708
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah. I think I mentioned this in the

709
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 4: articles and probably in another place, but yeah, yeah, I

710
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: had to. They're living in San Diego and they asked

711
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 4: me to pay in euros to put in their big

712
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 4: account in Estonia.

713
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 2: So right, at a little off, like yeah, yeah, yeah,

714
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: So you did your first retreat with them in the

715
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: San Diego area right in nineteen Yeah, yeah.

716
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 4: It was the first. It was just a one night

717
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 4: ceremony with their sacred elixir that they claimed was so

718
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 4: so pure, nothing like ayahuasca, nothing like any plant medicine.

719
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: Because it was so so pure. They had tested in

720
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 4: a lab. They couldn't find any ingredients except for the

721
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 4: apple cit of vinegar. And so if you have any experience,

722
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 4: it's just it's you. It's you and your karma. It's

723
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 4: your issue, has nothing to do with them, has nothing

724
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 4: to do with the fact that it was filled with

725
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 4: d MT and they never told us, and it was

726
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 4: beyond traumatic. That first ceremony was.

727
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 5: Where did they say they found the elixir?

728
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 4: They never said, Oh, they never said. They just said

729
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 4: that they well, you know, because their divine mother and father,

730
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: So they created it, right, They just manifested this ancient

731
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 4: elixir that again, only the chosen and most spiritual depths

732
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 4: have access to or have ever had access to. And

733
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: they again, there's the monopoly again, they create the monopoly.

734
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 4: They're the only ones on the planet. They're the only

735
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: twin ray monopoly number one, number two. They're the only

736
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 4: ones on the planet that have divine dispensation to offer

737
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 4: this sacred elixir where you're drinking God.

738
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so tell us about this first experience because it

739
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: sounds intense.

740
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was. It was just I didn't

741
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 4: know if I was going to make it alive. To

742
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 4: be perfectly honest, I really didn't know that I would

743
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 4: survive it. I was terrified, and you know, they'd come

744
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 4: over to me and try to do stuff like, you know,

745
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 4: they would kind of act, you know, she would hold

746
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: me and they would but nothing, nothing they did ever

747
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 4: provided any relief whatsoever. And I thought that was so strange.

748
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I couldn't. I could not find relief throughout

749
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 4: that night from ten pm till like five five am.

750
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 4: I mean it was just constant.

751
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: Just did they have you, like drinking it the whole

752
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: night because dmt's pretty short lived, isn't it short lived the.

753
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: Whole life for me? But it was why Drake and

754
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 4: an activator. So they did this whole matrix thing, you know,

755
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 4: like the activator was the red pill, and then took

756
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 4: to Comma down to put us to sleep was the

757
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: blue pill.

758
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 5: So now they're adding the matrix.

759
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. They weaved every epic tale you could ever

760
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 4: think of, like that has captured minds and hearts throughout

761
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 4: like history. They like weaved it.

762
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: So when you signed up for it, did you know

763
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: you would be taking some kind of elixir? Like how

764
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 2: did they market it? Also even the word elixir like.

765
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, elixir sacred it. Yeah, And they would talk about

766
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: the sarcophagus and which was really scary, like I'm like okay,

767
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: Like they would allude to the fact that it was

768
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 4: like a death experience, you know of like experiencing that,

769
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 4: and it was more kind of secret, Like I feel

770
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 4: like they they would just I feel like the first

771
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: time I heard about it was when they were selling

772
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: me the private mentorship and they said that that would

773
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 4: be my graduation present. So I think that was the

774
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 4: first time I heard about it.

775
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: To be honest, Well, when you started doing the private sessions,

776
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: like how did they strike talking to them one on one?

777
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: Like did you feel the wisdom the presence? Like what

778
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: did it feel like?

779
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 4: It was very disappointing. I gotta be honest. Yeah, I

780
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 4: mean I think when I was done with the mentorship,

781
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: I did not want to continue any mentorship with them,

782
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 4: even though I started going to the retreats. After the

783
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 4: retreat is a different experience. You're with the community and

784
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: then you're also getting the high from the yelixir, So

785
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 4: that was different. But the private mentorship, you know, what

786
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 4: they promised me and what ended up happening was there

787
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: was a vast discrepancy. I mean, they're promising me basically

788
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 4: a whole new life overlighting my journey, protecting me. You know,

789
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 4: I was going to be in this just you for

790
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 4: a bliss basically, and you know, I was going to

791
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 4: tract a whole new group of people in my life.

792
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 4: I was gonna they were going to give me a

793
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 4: platform you know, to be able to like express my

794
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 4: gifts and my purpose, I mean everything, right every I

795
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 4: think you could ever want your twin flame.

796
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: They also like are striking this court of fear by

797
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: One of the things that struck me, that would have

798
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: terrified me was that they told you you were on

799
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: your second to worst timeline.

800
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

801
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh no. Yeah.

802
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: So you're like, they're like, we can get you on

803
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: your best timeline right now you're at your second to worst,

804
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: and you're like, what.

805
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 5: The fuck, Like, let's go get give me the give

806
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 5: me the stuff. Yeah.

807
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: That just I love that you picked that up because

808
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: that was like, whoa, yeah, my like worst timeline and

809
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 4: they're gonna take me into my highest timeline. So okay,

810
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 4: that sounds good.

811
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

812
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: And then yeah, and then once they started once after

813
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 4: I paid them the money and everything, I'll never forget,

814
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 4: like the you know, the first session you probably already know.

815
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: They put me. They basically starved me, put me on

816
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 4: a strict diet, made me take I shouldn't say made me,

817
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 4: but whatever they told me. I had to take cold

818
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 4: showers early in the morning. I don't like cold, but

819
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 4: I did it. I did it like I took my

820
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 4: cold showers. I only ate fruit and charcoal.

821
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: Put me tell us that we can't gloss over the diet.

822
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: We have to talk about the diet.

823
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 4: You're like, sorry, we can't skip this.

824
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: That's a very important piece. That was your first session

825
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: that that happened.

826
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was the first session was you know,

827
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: putting me on a very strict diet, purifying my body.

828
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: You know what were you eating? And for how long?

829
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, charcoal pudding, which is charcoal powder and some

830
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 4: other stuff whatever, it's it's a it's a cleanser. And

831
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 4: so I was. I was eating that in the morning

832
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 4: and then just monofruit, so like watermelon one day, maybe

833
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 4: grapes the next day, and that's all.

834
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: That's all I would eat for how long?

835
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 4: Well, after six months I got hungry. Like it didn't

836
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 4: go the way that I think he's he promised that

837
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 4: it would, like I wouldn't need he said, I wouldn't

838
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 4: need food. Like I wouldn't. I would lose my attachment

839
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: to food. They Clayton that they don't need food.

840
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 5: People but eat air.

841
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like a Bertherian. Yeah, like a Bertherian. They

842
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 4: claim that they didn't need food and so and they

843
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 4: tell people that you know, and people, this gets kind

844
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: of serious and I don't know how much you know,

845
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 4: how much we want to go into, but it has

846
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 4: caused they don't have we don't have the evidence because

847
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: people are in you know, have had to check themselves

848
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 4: into mental facilities because of the damage that they're doing

849
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 4: and what they're instructing people to do. But the truth

850
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 4: is that they're not breatherians. They've been seen, you know,

851
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: at restaurants ordering lots and lots of food and tipping

852
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: two dollars and twenty two cents at really expensive restaurants.

853
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: So angel numbers and breath aarians are also not breath ariians.

854
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, nobody can survive without food and water.

855
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 2: That's that's not a thing.

856
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 4: Well okay, I mean allegedly there are some people they

857
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 4: can they activate they but it involves a lot of

858
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 4: practices though, like you you know, really kind of routine

859
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 4: practices to supposedly activate the prana. I'm sorry to I

860
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 4: understand this is this is also kind of a hot topic.

861
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 4: But supposedly there are people that that can. And again,

862
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 4: you know, if you if you say you can, I

863
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 4: believe you. But but you know, Ultimately, you have to

864
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 4: listen to your own body. You know, you can't assume

865
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 4: that if you stop eating that you're gonna be okay,

866
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 4: because you know, people have died.

867
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: Well virtually every group I've heard of who makes that claim,

868
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: everybody gets sick and some people die. So I'm just saying,

869
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: there's no evidence that that's possible. We are all human bodies.

870
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: So were you like super skinned? Like that feels like

871
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 2: a very very inadequate diet. There's no is there any protein?

872
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 2: Like that seems so dangerous.

873
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, people noticed, like I was. I mean, I

874
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 4: was pretty much in solitude, so I wasn't around people lying.

875
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 4: You know, people are polite for the most part. People

876
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: are polite. But family members noticed, you know, they'll tell you.

877
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 4: So my family members were like, like, are you okay?

878
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 4: Is everything okay? I've never really seen you this. Then

879
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 4: like you know, and there was other things too that

880
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 4: started to show, and it was like you know, but

881
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 4: finally I was like, you know, can I eat something?

882
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 4: And he very coldly just kind of looked at me

883
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: with no compassion, no no empathy, and just said that

884
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 4: I could eat pasta. That's a leap After all that

885
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh.

886
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: And the point was to spiritually like purify you, like

887
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: what was the Yeah.

888
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 4: He would always go into like scientific things too, like

889
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 4: you know, well, this is what happens in your body,

890
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 4: and you know this is a science. And I'm like, well, okay,

891
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 4: whatever science you want to give me, that's great, But

892
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 4: I just know that I'm starving. It's like I really

893
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: like need something else to eat, you know. And during

894
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 4: the retreats though, even the retreats, he would tell people

895
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 4: that they shou should fast for. He had two dates

896
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 4: that he would point out, like your birthday day every

897
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 4: month and then whenever the moon is in your whatever

898
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 4: some kind of astrological thing that every month, and those

899
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 4: are two different times that you should drive fast for

900
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 4: three days before that date and three days after.

901
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: So he's basically got I thought you said drive fast.

902
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: I was like, wait what, okay, no dry fast? Got it?

903
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 5: Does that mean no water?

904
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

905
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 4: No food. He's basically instructing people like no food, no water.

906
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 4: And at the same time, like they're selling these products

907
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 4: by the way too, like they're selling powders, they're selling

908
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: honeys promising immortality, and people are taking them. And the

909
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 4: thing is what's dangerous is people are doing this online,

910
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 4: like they're taking their classes and they're telling people we

911
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 4: don't sleep, we don't eat, and people are thinking, Okay, well,

912
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 4: I don't need to eat, I don't need to sleep.

913
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 4: I'll just take their products. I'll be like them, I'll

914
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 4: be liberated, I'll be you know. And and then I

915
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 4: know of four people who have had to be checked

916
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 4: into a mental facility.

917
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: It'd be very difficult to not have some kind of

918
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: mental break if you are that sleep deprived and that hungry.

919
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: I mean, these are we need these things to be

920
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: able to think clearly and certainly to think critically about

921
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: the situation where I'm.

922
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you combine that with his you know, nine

923
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 4: hour long classes where he's talking NonStop and repetitively and

924
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 4: repeating the same kinds of concepts over and over and

925
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: over again.

926
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: Just like crazy making. It's hypnotic.

927
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 4: It is, it's hypnotic. Yeah.

928
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: One thing that you have talked about as well is

929
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: that like at the end of these ceremonies, when you've

930
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: all been high the whole night and you're you haven't slept,

931
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: then they start trying to like get you to do

932
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: stuff and sell stuff to you and spend your money right.

933
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 4: Over and over, and that's when they got That's when

934
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 4: when I look back, like, that's when I spent the money.

935
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 4: I would not have bought that necklace. I would not

936
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 4: have probably paid for the next retreat. That's when they

937
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 4: would promote their next retreats. So people would go to

938
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 4: you know, you go to and it was it was

939
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 4: like this this thing, you know, this buzz like everyone

940
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 4: would go to the next retreat because there was a fomo.

941
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 4: You don't want to miss out. We were we were

942
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 4: creating Olden Age movement and and and that necklace, that monlace. Oh,

943
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 4: it was like this. If you've ever heard of Jim Baker.

944
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of Jim Baker, the guy from

945
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 4: southern Los Angeles in the seventies. He also had a

946
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 4: psychedelic They had a vegan restaurant, Goldie Go there. It

947
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 4: was a relatively small cult. At some point he was

948
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 4: he had a hang gliding. He decided to go hang

949
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: gliding and he passed and it pretty much dissolved soon after.

950
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 4: But he had that same mondola.

951
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's similar. Damn they're taking it from everything they are. Yes, Okay,

952
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 5: so how how much. What's this necklace?

953
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 4: Okay, so I got this necklace is just so symbolic,

954
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 4: like just of the whole thing, you know. So here's family,

955
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 4: huh yes?

956
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: Or family sorry, you got it? Ye? Father is what

957
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: he went by family.

958
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 4: Father, the family. Same thing with this group everybody because

959
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 4: their brothers and sisters, divine mother and father. So he's

960
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 4: wearing the mondoline. It's the same mondoline, you know.

961
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 5: It's it's like a.

962
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 4: Ball and chain. It's a ball and a jade. And

963
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 4: at the point that they started selling, they said they

964
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: had already sold some stuff, like they had already been

965
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 4: selling things. But this, they're like, this is the most

966
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 4: powerful thing that we've created, and it is a powerful

967
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 4: healing you know, it basically said, and they would have

968
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 4: like people in the group like a testing but what

969
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 4: you call the in Wizard of Oz the flying monkeys,

970
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 4: right like saying like yeah, this really works, like I

971
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 4: can see you know, if you wear this, like your

972
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 4: field expands. And we had not eaten, we had not slept,

973
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 4: we had been on DMT. They're telling us, this is

974
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 4: the most powerful creation that's gonna protect us, it's gonna

975
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 4: heal us, it's gonna bring US abundance and it's thirty

976
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 4: three hundred.

977
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: Dollars for a necklace.

978
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 4: It's literally just a metal like it's it's plated. The

979
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 4: gemstones were like falling out, Like I tried to. I

980
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 4: tried to take them to get something from it. They're

981
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 4: like the lady was like trying to be nice, and

982
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 4: she was like she was like, yeah, I'm sure you

983
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 4: can maybe like sell it online, but oh no anything.

984
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: Shoot, that sucks.

985
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, that's a lot of money.

986
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: You and at that point you'd already spent so much,

987
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 2: right like.

988
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 4: It's it's hot. I mean, I can't believe him. Yeah,

989
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 4: that's why it's it's hard. But I also like that

990
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 4: was honestly like minimal compared to like the damage that

991
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 4: they really do. For sure, the money was a trust me.

992
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 4: It was a minimal compared to what's happening.

993
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: You know, And they do this like and I'm not

994
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: even saying that Tony Robbins is a cult or even bad.

995
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 5: I don't know. Some people take great things away. I

996
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 5: don't really care.

997
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: But you go to the three day seminar, you walk

998
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: across the hot coals, you chant with everybody, You're fucking tired,

999
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: they start all day every you know, it's you're out

1000
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: of your routine, and then as you're leaving, there's people

1001
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: everywhere saying, here's an extra treat, here's an extra treat,

1002
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: here's the next retreat, and people are just signing their names.

1003
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 5: Just signing saying yeah. So it's such interesting, brilliant sales tactic.

1004
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 5: And it works.

1005
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 4: I know, we're bottom line, it works, and so that's

1006
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 4: why people do it. And but you know, the thing is,

1007
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 4: just like all these groups throughout history, it works temporarily, right,

1008
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 4: just like a drug works temporarily, and then it has consequences.

1009
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 4: And that's the part that these people don't really, I think,

1010
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 4: really realize is that, yeah, it the template is the

1011
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 4: same because it works, but then they don't really realize

1012
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 4: what the consequences are. And there always is to the

1013
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 4: leaders are the followers to everyone, you know what. The

1014
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 4: way that I see these kinds of groups that become

1015
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: really insular and isolated, Like if you think, of course

1016
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 4: we're all interconnected, right, I mean, all we have to

1017
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 4: do is look at what happened with the Microsoft glitch

1018
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 4: and how many people you know were affected by that. Yes,

1019
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 4: we're interconnected. If you understand that we're all interconnected, and

1020
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 4: you have groups like this where all the flow of

1021
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 4: communication and resources money are only flowing in the group, right,

1022
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 4: And if you think of like red blood cells like

1023
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 4: transferring you know new you know, communication throughout the work,

1024
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 4: like throughout the globe, these groups are like blood clots.

1025
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 4: So it is a problem, Like it is a problem

1026
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 4: for society, you know what I mean. I want people

1027
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 4: to hear that, Like, I want people to understand because

1028
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 4: what I saw a lot of was I don't give

1029
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 4: a crap about the people in this group. They're dumb.

1030
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 4: And if you're dumb enough to fall for something like that,

1031
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 4: good for you, Like you know what I mean, Like

1032
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 4: you deserve it. And I want people to know that

1033
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 4: these groups are problematic to the society. They're not just

1034
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: a problem for themselves, which they very much are, but

1035
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 4: they are a problem for for for everyone.

1036
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was very smart people in this group.

1037
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: I was reading like an I like a professor Ivy

1038
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: League school graduates and then engineer that had a lot

1039
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: of esteem.

1040
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 4: You know, honestly, because a lot of people I've ever

1041
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 4: met we were in this group. I never I'm not

1042
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 4: that I'm average. I had never met that that many

1043
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 4: like educated you know what I mean, like highly educated

1044
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 4: people in in a group.

1045
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: I mean, and we see that all the time. I mean,

1046
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 2: so many educated people join cults and you know they're

1047
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 2: apparently there's research that the common denominator is that it's

1048
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: people who are optimistic or you know, I would argue

1049
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 2: it's people who have curiosity, and people have curiosity tend

1050
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: to be very intelligent. Also people who have money, also

1051
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: people who have well, depending on you know, like like

1052
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: in the Stupid specifically, it's it's it's expensive to join,

1053
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 2: right to be a part of this group.

1054
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know they knew who to pull in

1055
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 4: mm hmm knew like a monopoly again, Notice how I

1056
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 4: keep referring to this monopoly, Like they buy out their competition, right,

1057
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 4: that's how they maintain their power. Like they knew who

1058
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 4: to hook into right right, because these groups need they

1059
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 4: need smart people. They need people who are going to

1060
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 4: help run their organization, and they need people who are

1061
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 4: going to help fund it. So they knew who to

1062
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 4: focus on.

1063
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: All right. This concludes Part one. Return next week for

1064
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: part two.

1065
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,479
Speaker 3: It gets so much more wise. I mean, this story is.

1066
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: It is it is m hmmm. It's even more when

1067
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: you watch videos of these people, because they truly are

1068
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: movie characters. And I don't say that in a flattering way.

1069
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: And you don't mean it as in their acting career,

1070
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: as succeed correct welling away it is, I guess.

1071
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: So. You know you've mentioned a couple of times how

1072
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: much this story in particulars with you, because it seems

1073
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: like you identify with some of it. Can you explain

1074
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: more about that?

1075
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it has all my favorite things aliens love, community,

1076
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: organ pretty mansion.

1077
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I said one of.

1078
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: Your favorite things.

1079
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1080
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know you had no idea.

1081
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love them.

1082
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: A lot of the articles that I was reading about

1083
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: this called just quote other people.

1084
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 5: That have lived in Ashland.

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Speaker 1: And I've read all of the books, you know, those

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00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: were books that I enjoyed at one time.

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00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 5: So I'm just like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I really.

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00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: Believe and some of this stuff, and it's just really

1090
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: scary how soulless they are and exploiting people's belief. I

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00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: feel like this story really knocked me out of a

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00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: nay naive part of myself that was just like, you know,

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00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the story, I'm like well, obviously

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00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: they believe that they're actually these people.

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00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 5: And then I'm like, no, they don't, Yeah, don't.

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00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 3: They're just grifters.

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00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 5: And I can't believe it. I can't believe it.

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00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: I mean no, there's so many I mean, look at like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, well, twin flames and one.

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00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: Time, I think that girl thinks that she I think

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00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: that those people think that they're doing something incredible.

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00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: They might.

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00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 5: These people, I think are like criminals.

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00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: I think that. Yeah, I guess that's always the question,

1105
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: the unanswerable question. I think a lot of them are

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00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: aware of their choices. I think it would be too

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00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: generous to say that spirituality cult leaders sure are like

1108
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: mostly believing better, like yeah, yeah, And you know, we

1109
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 2: talked about that in our recent Guru episode. How like

1110
00:59:54,920 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: the guru relationship is so so dangerous, it's so ripe

1111
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: for predators to exploit it.

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01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: The ego stuff, it's so some of it's so true,

1113
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: like the in some way is the world is a

1114
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: mirror of your own shit, and you can use that

1115
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: when it's necessary. But like, some people are just dickheads.

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01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: They're not a mirror of you. They're just absolute assholes,

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01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: and you don't have to blame it on yourself.

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01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I don't know what you're referencing.

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01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So like if I go out and we meet

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01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: the same person, I might have a totally different impression

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01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: of them than you because they're mirroring back something to

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01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: me that is active within me. It's just basic psychology

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01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: and they're doing it and you. But sometimes we're going

1124
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: to meet a person who's just an fucking asshole, and

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01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that that's a mirror of anything in me.

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01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: They're like literally just a dickhead.

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01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: Well right, and some like as we know, like people

1128
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: with personality disorders on the antisocial you know, spectrum of

1129
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 2: things get skilled at manufacturing that manufacturing that feeling that

1130
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 2: they're seeing in something in you. And then sometimes people

1131
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: are just charismatic and it might not even be like

1132
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: that calculated so much is just like ah, that'd be

1133
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: fun to lie, you know, like who knows. But it

1134
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: just comes back to the same thing, which is like

1135
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 2: feelings are not necessarily always the best measure measure feel

1136
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 2: like someone making us feel good or feel seen like

1137
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 2: that stuff is important, but it can't be the only

1138
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: thing we use to make judgments about how to proceed

1139
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 2: because specifically, what cult eaters are good at is manufacturing feelings.

1140
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 2: That's their entire skill, and predators in general and emotional abusers,

1141
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: you know, like that's their whole skill, is producing strong

1142
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 2: feelings in you. So it sucks because it's like we

1143
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: should be able to feel that and be like, I

1144
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: have to go toward that. That's what that means. I

1145
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: need to go toward it. But in reality, if something

1146
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: is that, you know, charged, sometimes it means that something's

1147
01:01:58,360 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 2: actually wrong.

1148
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: When one of your friends goes on a date and

1149
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: they come back and they're like, oh my god, that

1150
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: was the best date of my life.

1151
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 5: This, this, this, and this.

1152
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: Happened, and you're like, okay, well you either met your

1153
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: soulmate or you meant a love bomber.

1154
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 3: We have no idea. We just have to.

1155
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 5: Wait and let it play out, like right, yeah.

1156
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 2: Or sometimes you just have an amazing first date and

1157
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: then you actually get to know someone and yeah maybe not,

1158
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: you know, like right, right, that's yeah, that's yeah. It's

1159
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: human nature to read meaning into things because we because

1160
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: that's how we operate. We operate in stories you've talked about,

1161
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 2: like but the story is not always right. Yeah, often

1162
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: the story is wrong, you know, except in the far

1163
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: side cartoon that I had, which you know, for a fact.

1164
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 5: For an absolute fucking facts.

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01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: I may because it was the joke, and I do

1166
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 1: not find the joke funny without the may.

1167
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 2: You should write to the writers and be like, in

1168
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: this timeline, you guys are extremely unfunny.

1169
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: It's not funny in this timeline. And how weird that

1170
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: I would go to a shop that also had that

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01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: cartoon cut out.

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01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 3: Weird. Anyway, thank you for joining us for another week.

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01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: We're going to talk to her again next week and

1174
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: it's so good.

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01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 3: As always, remember to follow your gut, watch out for

1176
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 3: rad flags.

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01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: I never ever trust me. Bye. Trust Me as produced

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01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 2: by Kirsten Woodward, Gabby Rapp and Steve Delemator.

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01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 3: With special thanks to Stacy Para.

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01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 2: And our theme song was composed by Holly amber Church.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram at trust Me Podcast,

1182
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: Twitter at trust Me Cult Pod, or on TikTok at

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01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,200
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1184
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,720
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01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,000
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