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Speaker 1: Ron An Aian. You come into my shop as a

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Speaker 1: as a first time customer, We're gonna look at the

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Speaker 1: We're gonna look.

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Speaker 2: At the car.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna look the whole car over. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: just policy, and I think it's I think it's a

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Speaker 1: good mandatory rule to have.

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Speaker 3: The car Doctor could.

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Speaker 4: Tep one tape on the bolt or I have no

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Speaker 4: idea how to pick that.

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Speaker 1: This is the oil adapter housing at the engine block itself,

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Speaker 1: where the oil filter used to traditionally go correct.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananium, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 3: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the

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Speaker 3: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 3: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 3: the phone and call in.

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Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to

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Speaker 1: take your calls at eight five five five, six hundred and.

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Speaker 4: Running.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are days I just they say to me,

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Speaker 1: how do you prepare for the show? And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not quite sure how to prepare some days.

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Speaker 1: Some days I do it more or less. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: just kind of thinking about it and it's it's hard. Uh,

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Speaker 1: It's it's really hard. I I just sit there and

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Speaker 1: I think, sometimes, you know, what do I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about? And it's it's difficult at best. Some days,

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Speaker 1: I hum, I just you know, I think I want

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Speaker 1: to start here. I want to talk about clearing codes

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Speaker 1: and the dangers of that and uh what that means,

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Speaker 1: because huh, you know, it's it's interesting. Remember a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, I talked to you about the twenty

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Speaker 1: twelve Cadillac that had set some thermostat faults and it

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Speaker 1: was having issues where the cooling fan was running and

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Speaker 1: it was just you know, temperature gage will go down

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Speaker 1: and the thermostat was kind of goofy and all that.

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Speaker 1: Remember that car, And I diagnosed it, and I told

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Speaker 1: the customer what was going on, and they decided that

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Speaker 1: instead of fixing it, they were going to get rid

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Speaker 1: of it. They were very excited, right, They were very

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Speaker 1: proud and happy that they you know, they were they were,

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Speaker 1: you know, able to drive a car for one hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty five thousand miles hundred thirty thousand miles and

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Speaker 1: not have to spend any money on it, if you

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Speaker 1: recall that. So you know, they ended up deciding to

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Speaker 1: scrap the car, and they called this week. I haven't

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Speaker 1: talked to them in two and a half weeks, and

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Speaker 1: they called this week and they decided that they're going

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Speaker 1: to go buy a new car. Okay, And we were

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Speaker 1: driving it yesterday because we haven't driven it a whole lot,

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Speaker 1: and the cooling fan came back on and the check

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Speaker 1: engine light came back on. And you know, when we're

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Speaker 1: going to go trade it in now, we want to

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Speaker 1: do it on the last day of the month because

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Speaker 1: we want to go and get the best deal we can.

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Speaker 1: This is a real conversation, and we figured that if

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Speaker 1: we go in the last day of the month, they'll

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Speaker 1: they'll desperately take our trade. But we just want to

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Speaker 1: try and get the check engine light out. Is there

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Speaker 1: any way we can do that? You know, I think

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Speaker 1: it's a myth, right. I think this nonsense about that.

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Speaker 1: this on the last day of the month. I think

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Speaker 1: all that stuff, I think that's unrealistic. Nowadays, I don't

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Speaker 1: know that that's really applicable. I don't know that matters.

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Speaker 1: And frankly, I don't know that any car dealership is

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Speaker 1: really going to care if your twenty twelve Cadillac is

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Speaker 1: hurnd thirty thousand miles on it. It looks like if

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Speaker 1: just looks like it's tired. It's it's beat up. It's

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Speaker 1: so I questioned the whole idea in the back of

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Speaker 1: to say yes because I'm not going to get paid

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Speaker 1: for it, which I didn't even ask because why it's

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Speaker 1: not the shop's obligation to you know, we got paid

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Speaker 1: for the diagnosis. We're not there to do this, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of a thing. That's not what a repair shop

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Speaker 1: is there for. But I decided to trot out my

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars scan tool and take two minutes out

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Speaker 1: of my day and you know, walk outside and clear

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Speaker 1: the code because I got to make a speech. And

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Speaker 1: that was the best part of the of the of

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Speaker 1: the contact. And I explained to Anthony that it it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter how this is really nonsense, because as soon

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Speaker 1: as he leaves the shop in all likelihood the check

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Speaker 1: engine light's going to come back on again. And I

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Speaker 1: explain the value of a repair shop's time, and that

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Speaker 1: you know, in some cases it costs the repair shop

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Speaker 1: between two and three dollars a minute. That's the value

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Speaker 1: of a repair shop. Think about what it costs for

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Speaker 1: is one hundred and eighty dollars an hour, it's a

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Speaker 1: sixty minute hour, that's three dollars an hour. In my mind,

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Speaker 1: that's the way I do math. You know, So where

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Speaker 1: all that. I don't know if it made any sense.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it met And I did it nicely.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be insulting, because I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of times people do what they do because they

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Speaker 1: just don't have they don't have knowledge, and they don't

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Speaker 1: have experience, and they're working on either backyard myths or

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Speaker 1: things their parents taught them, who are judging by Anthony age,

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Speaker 1: they're long gone. May they rest in peace. But we're

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Speaker 1: working on things that worked for cars thirty forty, fifty

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Speaker 1: years ago, twenty years ago, last week. The industry changes weekly,

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Speaker 1: and it does. The economy changes weekly, and the approach

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Speaker 1: to repairing automobiles changes weekly. And that's the point of

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Speaker 1: all this. Clearing codes before you take it to a

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Speaker 1: dealership doesn't matter. I've known people that were trading cars

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Speaker 1: into Carvana. Carvana is not stupid. This isn't their first

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Speaker 1: day at the rodeo. And I've seen dealers do this too,

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Speaker 1: where they'll trot out a cheap basic scan tool and

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Speaker 1: they will they will just check for codes and there's

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Speaker 1: no code, but they'll also look to see, hey, have

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Speaker 1: the monitors run, and they'll see that the codes are clear,

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Speaker 1: and they'll see that the monitors haven't run yet because

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Speaker 1: you just cleared codes. They apply the sign it's in

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Speaker 1: the physics of OBD two and diagnostics. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what kind of car Anthony's going to get. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he's even going to get a deal. I

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Speaker 1: know that it would probably be cheaper to do the

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Speaker 1: five hundred dollars worth of cooling system repairs to this

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Speaker 1: Cadillac than buy a new one. But he's pretty convinced

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to dissuade him. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I'm going to answer the phone the next time,

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Speaker 1: I might let the answering machine get it. Because I've

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Speaker 1: said my speech. I've come to peace with it, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's the whole point of this, that clearing

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Speaker 1: codes isn't the answer, and that if you do choose

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Speaker 1: to clear codes, you should consider paying the mechanic because

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Speaker 1: their time is valuable. Leave it up to the mechanic

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Speaker 1: to say no, it's okay. But don't just assume. Because

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Speaker 1: assuming that a repair shop is there to well to

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Speaker 1: serve you, I don't think so. Repair shops are there

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Speaker 1: to make money. I always say anytime I engage in

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Speaker 1: anything professionally and personally, when I find somebody that does

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Speaker 1: their job, I am so happy to pay them because

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Speaker 1: I found somebody competent at their job. I found somebody

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Speaker 1: that knows what they're talking about, that shows up and

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Speaker 1: does what they're supposed to do. I want them to

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Speaker 1: be in business for a long time. I want them

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Speaker 1: to be able to take care of me and solve

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Speaker 1: my problems. I don't want to make them a slave,

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Speaker 1: because that is a bad thing. Eight five five five

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Speaker 1: six zero nine nine zero zero. I'm running inde in

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Speaker 1: the car, doctor, I'll be cruising back right after this.

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Speaker 1: Don't go away vehicle not taking you where you want

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Speaker 1: to go? Well call Ron. He's the expert at making

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Speaker 1: your vehicle take you where you need it. Eight five

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Speaker 1: back to Rod. Hey, let's get over and talk to

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Speaker 1: Let's go talk to John and Michigan. John, what's up

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Speaker 1: here with the card doctor? How can I help?

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Speaker 5: Okay? Ron, I talked to your screener, and there are

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Speaker 5: two issues that you brought to mind last week. And

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Speaker 5: one you spoke favorably of a brand that I had

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Speaker 5: always used, a brand of battery I had always used.

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Speaker 5: I won't mention it unless you ask me to.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, listen, I am listen John. I gotta tell you, babe.

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Speaker 1: In my thirty something years on radio, I talk about

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Speaker 1: everybody good, better, and different. And if you've had a

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Speaker 1: bad experience with something I like, and I've had a

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Speaker 1: bad experience with something you like, let's figure out why,

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Speaker 1: because there's always a reason. And it's so I am

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Speaker 1: not afraid to mention brands good, better, and different. So

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Speaker 5: There's another show I listened to and I won't mention

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Speaker 5: that either. That they say replace your battery every three

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Speaker 5: or four years, no matter, no matter if you think

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Speaker 5: you need it or not. And I always followed that,

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Speaker 5: and my starters and the alternators lasted forever. I never

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Speaker 5: had a no start problem. And this scar, I've had

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Speaker 5: that brand. And they make it hard to figure out

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Speaker 5: the data manufacture because these other guys say it's aging,

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Speaker 5: it's sulfating when they put it on the shelf, and

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Speaker 5: you go by that date, not the date you bought it.

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Speaker 5: And that's why some batteries are sold into discount. So anyway,

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Speaker 5: I had intermittent problems and the car started fine, and

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Speaker 5: one time a service writer said change your battery, and

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Speaker 5: sure enough it took care of the problem. That was

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Speaker 5: an intermittent hard steering on the electronic steering, and it

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Speaker 5: took care of it for a long time, and that

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Speaker 5: kept happening. I got and sometimes I discovered, oh yeah,

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Speaker 5: and an instrument cluster went bad on me, and sometimes

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Speaker 5: the getting a new battery took care of it for

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Speaker 5: several months. And then I discovered when I disconnected the

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Speaker 5: battery and reconnected it, it would the things that start working again.

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Speaker 5: The speedometer, gas gauge, et cetera. And anyway, these guys

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Speaker 5: say something about the relays need to see X number

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Speaker 5: of vaults or they'll start acting funny. They call them gremlins,

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Speaker 5: but I won't and sometimes Intermit artificial intelligence told me

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Speaker 5: try changing the battery for different problems. I won't winto

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Speaker 5: all of them, and it worked, and even disconnecting the

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Speaker 5: battery would work. But I never had a no start problem.

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Speaker 5: And so I replaced some of these batteries before their

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Speaker 5: warranty period was up, which was two years. And I

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Speaker 5: found out that brand is apparently all re manufactured, and

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Speaker 5: they're not like they used to be. I can tell

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Speaker 5: you that I don't think i'll buy them again.

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Speaker 1: What brand is that?

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Speaker 5: John ac Delco? Okay, no maintenance and what is it?

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Speaker 5: What's I can say? Oh, and I'll probably forgetting sting.

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Speaker 1: But now you're doing.

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Speaker 5: Great about getting cleanings. These guys on that other show

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Speaker 5: recommend getting an induction system cleaning and throttle body cleaning

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Speaker 5: every fifty thousand whatever. I never did it. And I

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Speaker 5: had two hundred and twenty something thousand miles and I

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Speaker 5: heard a whistling with I took for a tire noise

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Speaker 5: on the highway, and then I got a message right

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Speaker 5: where my odometer is telling me low power, and it

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Speaker 5: was Friday. I took it to the dealer and they

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Speaker 1: Well, how about we think of it like this, all right,

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Speaker 1: Because that's part of what a good fuel system cleaning does.

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Speaker 1: You'll do that. Now, had they cleaned the throttle body

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Speaker 5: Well, first I could define fuel trimmed to sateurs.

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Speaker 1: Well, fuel trim is you have a heart rate and

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Speaker 1: Now something changes, John's air filter gets a little dirty,

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Speaker 1: And we are back. Let's go back with John. John,

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Speaker 5: John.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So did that make sense to your regarding fuel trim?

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Speaker 5: Well, yes, but I have to say that I have

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well again, you don't you don't know if it

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Speaker 5: That's right? But it was it was well, it was

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Speaker 5: Well, right, if I'm pure highway driving for cylinder car,

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Speaker 5: I was doing better than I did with my Cobal

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Speaker 5: Well, I guess, well, I mean, we.

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Speaker 1: I told you the value of it, and that's and

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Speaker 5: I find some places don't want to do chemicals because

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Speaker 1: Well, some places don't want to do transmissions either. Some

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Speaker 1: tell you we now we sell ac Delco. They're available,

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Speaker 1: I've never heard that term before.

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Speaker 5: That's what someone told me. I hope it's not a lot.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't see how it could be. I I

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Speaker 5: Who told me that. Say that again, I said, don't

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I know a lot of service writers and

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Speaker 5: Oh? Actually I went in because someone suggested, well, that's

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Speaker 5: one thing you do it change the battery. See if

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Speaker 1: You know, John, I see no connection.

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Speaker 2: Are you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? And it was temperature related for somehow.

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Speaker 5: I just know that it got better for several months, got.

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Speaker 1: Better, how John, that's the test, John, got better?

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Speaker 5: How it started? The speedometer and the gas gauge, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: They all started working again consistently. Previous to that, it

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Speaker 5: That was that that passed the test until the temperature

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But John, when a battery gets cold, it's gonna die.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just that's just normal physics. So why

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Speaker 5: The battery would always start the car, That's what I'm

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Speaker 5: That's what's baffling to me. Certain things would now function,

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Speaker 5: And anyway, Oh and about changing the battery, these other

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Speaker 5: about changing the getting a new battery every three or

433
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 5: four years, no matter what, that, you're going to strain

434
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 5: your alternator. And my alternators have been lasting for a

435
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 5: long time until oh it finally wanted to.

436
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Speaker 1: You know, John, I'm gonna leave it here. There's two

437
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: ways to fix a car. You can either apply physics

438
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: and science, or you can do it by fear. I

439
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: think blindly changing a battery on every car every three

440
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: years is living in fear. A lot of cars go

441
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: one hundred, one hundred and fifty thousand miles without ever

442
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: replacing walternators, or starters or a lot of things. I

443
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: think that doing what you're doing is cautious and if

444
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: it's working for you, but I think you got to

445
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: apply the science of or to repair to the automobile

446
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: in order to get a proper way to go about it.

447
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: Let's pull over to take a pause. Eight five five

448
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: five six zero nine nine zero zero. I'm back right

449
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: after this. Hey, we're back. Let's get over and talk

450
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: to Bill and Colorado. Wait, and they're very patiently, Billy,

451
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. What's going on today?

452
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Speaker 2: Hey, Ron, good to talk to you. So I have

453
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: recently had a friend's car over for a couple of

454
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: minor unrelated things. And while it's here, I noticed that

455
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: it has a nasty sounding top end knock which is

456
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: easily noticeable in neutral at two thousand rpm. Or also

457
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: if you're at idle and you put the car in gear,

458
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: you can hear it under that load. And did some googling,

459
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: look for tsb's and so this is the three point

460
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 2: three leader V six, the two G sorry, the three

461
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: mz f E. And everything I found online was for

462
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: the for the four cylinder two g r f E,

463
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: the the chain driven six cylinder. I couldn't find any

464
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: stuff about this for the belt driven six cylinders.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, so if you take all the just

466
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Speaker 1: just starting at the beginning higher mileage, how many miles

467
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Speaker 1: are on.

468
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: This I think like one sixty Yeah, not a lot

469
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 2: of miles.

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Speaker 1: So when it when it makes this noise, well, first

471
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: of all, what does the oil look like? Brown? Beat

472
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,239
Speaker 1: up looks great? Okay, yeah, you take the belt, you

473
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: take the serpentine belt off and the noise is still there.

474
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: I haven't had a chance to really do my diligence

475
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: on this, but the noise does sound like it's coming

476
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: from like dead center of the block on the top.

477
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Speaker 1: Okay, And how long has it been doing this?

478
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Speaker 2: I don't know, right, I think she knows either, right?

479
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: And does does she hear it? Is she complaining about it?

480
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: Or is it because I know how sensitive your ears.

481
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: Are A bill, Yeah, she wasn't. She hadn't noticed it,

482
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: and I didn't really have time to get into it.

483
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: So do us both a favor. Take the belt off first,

484
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: see if the noise goes away. If the noise doesn't

485
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: go away, because there's there's not a lot that really

486
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: goes wrong with the time with the belt driven V six,

487
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: they work until they don't. It's a pretty durable motor.

488
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: And so I was wondering, is there a typical VVT

489
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: issue with these that I should be looking for? Like

490
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: I know on some of the VVT systems you get

491
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: a bolt that comes off.

492
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen that. I mean, if it's got

493
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: a VVT solenoid and you unplug it and rev it up,

494
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: does the noise change? That's another thing I should try, right, Yeah,

495
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, let's see if we hold if we hold

496
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: timing fixed, does that Obviously we're going to set some codes,

497
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: but we don't care, right, you know, start start to

498
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: break it down. The problem is you're trying to diagnose

499
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: an almost twenty year old vehicle with higher mileage, and

500
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: you're working within the confines of trying not to take

501
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: the engine apart. So get creative. How would you approach it?

502
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, if you were to pull a valve cover,

503
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: you won't see anything. So you know, I have had

504
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: some toyotas and I don't remember if this engine has them,

505
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: but some of the some of the toyotas with the

506
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: balance shafts, and I think that's the four cylinders that

507
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of. They make an awful racket down low

508
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: that you would find out that the balance scheft set

509
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: up was falling apart. But at that point the engines

510
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: had so many miles on them you ended up rebuilding

511
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: the engine anyway because these were three hundred thousand miles.

512
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: So you know, I think you've got to start with

513
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: basics before you start doing a deeper dive. I think,

514
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: before you start taking anything apart, you know, just to

515
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: see where we go. Does it change with temperature? Is

516
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: it just as loud cold as it is warm?

517
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't seem to change.

518
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: Okay, take the belt off. Let's start there. All right,

519
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: Let's let's look for a constant and work our way out.

520
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: Call me back next week or the week after. Let

521
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: me know what you're find.

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00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 5: We can talk.

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00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: We'll do all right, kittle be Well, let's get on

524
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: over and talk to Chris and Florida. Seventeen hunday, Tucson

525
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: and what's going on here? Hey, Chris, welcome to the

526
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: car doctor. How can I help?

527
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 5: Hey? Ron?

528
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, I got a seventeen day Tucson and this

529
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: thing has been driving me nuts. I've had this thing

530
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 4: for over almost a year now, trying to get this

531
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: thing to run. It started out with throwing some code,

532
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 4: some mass airflow sensor codes, some oxygen codes, and then

533
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 4: it was still on turbo codes. So we of course

534
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: eliminated all that, put a turbo on it. It's still

535
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 4: doing it. Well. What it's doing is it'll crank up

536
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 4: and it'll run. But when you go to take off,

537
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 4: pull out into traffic, the car falls flat on its

538
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: fate it's a one point six liter turbo and so

539
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 4: so we went ahead and I gave up. I got

540
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 4: tired of throwing money at parts, swapping parts out. I

541
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 4: took it to the Hyundaid dealership. They diagnosed it. They

542
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: first they tell me they need extra time to diagnose it,

543
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: and then they come back and they tell me it

544
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 4: needs a high pressure fuel pump and it needs a

545
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 4: flex type. So I'm like, okay, that's and they said, well,

546
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 4: for thirty five hundred dollars, will make your problems go away. Well,

547
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 4: I said, no, that's okay.

548
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: Thanks.

549
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 4: Anyway, so I went and got the high fuel pressure

550
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 4: pump for a couple hundred bucks. Me and my son

551
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: installed it in like ten minutes, and then we put

552
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 4: the flex pipe on there and it didn't do anything whatsoever.

553
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 4: So they totally misdiagnosed that. I went to take my

554
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 4: four hundred dollars flexpipe back, they wouldn't return it. So anyways,

555
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 4: took it another shop and they put it in the

556
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: air and they noticed that the catalytic converter was glowing. Said, man,

557
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: you need to change the cats in this thing. It's

558
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 4: only got eighty eight thousand miles. Okay, Well, I changed

559
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 4: one cat, the main cat one on top, put another

560
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 4: It didn't fix the problem. Put another turbo in, it

561
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 4: didn't fix the problem. It still falls flat on his

562
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: face like it was day one, Chris.

563
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: Has anybody you know what sort of dis I'm hearing

564
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: parts being changed? I have two questions. Has anybody done

565
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: any real diagnosis? And has any of the codes that

566
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: you started out with gone away?

567
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the funny thing. Right now, there's there's no codes,

568
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 4: no codes on the car right now?

569
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: All right, so codes of so, codes of so have

570
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: been corrected. I'll say whether that's a true statement or not,

571
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but codes of codes have sort of

572
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: been corrected. But nobody. Has anybody hooked up a vacuum gauge,

573
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: looked at exhaust back pressure? Has anybody done something like

574
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: a volumetric efficiency test which isn't as scary as it sounds.

575
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going to stand on trying to confuse you here,

576
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 1: but has anybody done any basic testing beyond beyond what

577
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: you think the dealer has done? And could you have

578
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: misinterpreted what the dealer said and changed the wrong pipe.

579
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm not picking on you, I'm just trying to be

580
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: objective from the sideline.

581
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: No, I was straight off there they're.

582
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: Tiking, so you know my comment would be, and I

583
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: have I have one other question. Are we starting out

584
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: in first gear?

585
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 4: You know that's a good question.

586
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 5: I really don't know the answer to that. It almost

587
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 5: acts like.

588
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: Right, is it starting off in second gear? So yeah,

589
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: could you? Could you have had a pile of problems

590
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: that took you down the path of oh, it's engine, engine, engine,

591
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: and you've solved them, but you also have a transmission problem.

592
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

593
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 5: No, I haven't even went down a transmission road with it.

594
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Right, So let's figure out how many speeds the transmission

595
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: is supposed to shift through, and let's go out for

596
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: a simple road test, and do we have all those?

597
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: You know, if it's a five speed and you only

598
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: get four and you only get four speeds, well we're

599
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: starting out in the wrong gear. Can you manually pull

600
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: it down into first and improve the acceleration?

601
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I guess I'll have to try that.

602
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 4: I don't think we tried after all this time.

603
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: All right? And then the other thing is if you can,

604
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: if you can, if you can do it, if you

605
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 1: can do the test, I want you to go and

606
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: do a volumetric efficiency test. Go google volumetric efficiency. Just

607
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: like I describe it. You'll come to a website for

608
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: the Automotive Training Group ATG and they'll talk about volumetric

609
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: efficiency test and using a scan tool, your right foot

610
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 1: and the open road. It's real simple and easy to do.

611
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: Do those couple of things. Call me back, but let's

612
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: go take a look at that. Let's start to diagnose,

613
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: because I haven't heard that's happened yet. Eight five five

614
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: five six zero nine nine zero zero running naming the

615
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: car doctor. I'm back right after this. You know, repairing

616
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: cars and doing a radio show about repairing cars is

617
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: exactly alike. You have to stay calm under fire, you

618
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: have to return fire, you have to think your way

619
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: through the problems. I want to give kudos to my

620
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: chief engineer, Tom Ray this hour because, whether you guys

621
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: caught it or not, what goes on behind the background.

622
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: I almost wish I had the camera on him. When

623
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: the internet dropped out on his side of the studio.

624
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: I was still on air, but I couldn't talk to

625
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: Tom for about a minute there. We lost touch with

626
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: each other. It was kind of like flying around the

627
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: back side of the moon. And I'm sure Tom as

628
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: busy as he came back and he returned fire, and

629
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: he did a great job. And it reminded me of

630
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: some of the calls this hour. Some of the calls

631
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: were like returning fire. We have to diagnose by some

632
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: logical sequential sequence. And this isn't directed at anybody in particular,

633
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: It was just the general theme today. We have to

634
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: get away from wives tales, we have to get away

635
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: from backyard myths. We have to get away from well

636
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: I did this and it did that. But I have

637
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: no reason or explanation of to why we have to

638
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: understand what's going on. Automobiles are numbers, their math, their physics,

639
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: their science. There's a reason why there's an action and

640
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: a reaction to everything you do to them and they

641
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: do to us. Trust me, I've been there. I've been

642
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: doing this a while until the next time. I'm not

643
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: an ad in the car.

644
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 5: Doctor.

645
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See y