1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Hidden Gin, a production of I Heart 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: Radio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky Listener. Discretion 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 1: is advised many many years ago, in what seems like 4 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: a whole other lifetime. I had been a single parent 5 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: for quite a while, but I got remarried and I 6 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: moved from the DC area to Connecticut, where my new 7 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: husband was studying at a seminary. I'd moved to Connecticut 8 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: without ever having first visited it. I just picked up 9 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: my belongings and my young daughter bundled up in a 10 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: U haul and drove north. And while we lived in Hartford, 11 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: the capital of the state, it was a pretty sleepy place, 12 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: and I soon found myself sprit to fill my time 13 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: and make friends. So I sought out volunteer opportunities with 14 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: organizations that I figured would attract like minded people, and 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: I was right. It turned out to be a great 16 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: way to make friends. One of those friends was a 17 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: young woman in her late twenties, a researcher at Yale 18 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: who was volunteering at a relatively new advocacy organization. For 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,919 Speaker 1: the purpose of the story, I will call her Sarah. 20 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: She and I were the only women in the group, 21 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: and having spent a lot of time together helping a 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: new organization get off the ground, we ended up becoming friends. 23 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: Sarah was petite, but full of energy, incredibly dependable, thoughtful, 24 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: and warm. I took a liking to her immediately. She 25 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: would come over to my plays, hang out with my 26 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: family and other friends, and we'd meet up for coffee. 27 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: But I never went over to her place ever. I 28 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: knew that Sarah lived alone in an apartment in New Haven, 29 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: an apartment that she had moved into fairly recently. Now 30 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: we have been friends about a year when inevitably, one 31 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: day our conversation turned to merrite. Because the matchmaker and 32 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: me can't help but ask my single friends if they're 33 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: looking to meet someone. So I asked Sarah if she 34 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: was open to being introduced to a couple of eligible 35 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: bachelors that I already had in mind. Sarah took a 36 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: deep sigh and said, I'd love to, but I just can't. Now. 37 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't exactly sure what she meant by that. Was 38 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: she too busy? Was she interested in someone else already? 39 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: Was she just painfully shy? Sarah went on, She said, Robbia, 40 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: you're going to think I'm crazy. But I have a problem. 41 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: I've wanted to meet the right guy and settled down 42 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: for years, but there's this this thing. It won't let me. 43 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: At that point, I thought, oh, maybe there's a health 44 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: issue she thinks is preventing her from being in a relationship. 45 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: But it wasn't that at all. Sarah went on to 46 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: explain that for years, verse since she was a teenager, 47 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: a gin had been following her. She tried everything to 48 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: get rid of it, prayers and amulets, seeking help from 49 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: spiritual healers, consulting exorcists, moving from one city to another, 50 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: moving from one apartment to another, but everywhere she went 51 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: it followed her. While mostly it didn't bother her, there 52 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: had been times it scared the heck out of her, 53 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: showing her that it was there with her at all 54 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: times and that it was powerful. Once, said Sarah, she 55 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: woke up in the middle of the night, disoriented. The 56 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: ceiling looked much lower than it had before, and she 57 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: thought for a second that she was dreaming, But she wasn't. 58 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: She was hovering, floating a good foot or two above 59 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: her bed, suspended and frozen in fright. She opened her 60 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: mouth to scream, but nothing came. Out. She said every 61 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: prayer she could remember in her heart, and suddenly she fell, 62 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: flopping back into her bed. Another time, she woke up, 63 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: warm and cozy on her blanket, still in bed, but 64 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: her bed had been dragged to the other side of 65 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: the room. And then there are countless times that objects 66 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: moved from one place to another, things disappeared and reappeared, 67 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: Voices whispered from empty corners of her apartment, cabinets creaked 68 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: open and closed by themselves. There was always an increase 69 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: in activity, she realized when she began getting romantically involved 70 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: with somebody else. Eventually, one of the religious leaders she 71 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: consulted he knew about her entire Gin history, told her 72 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: that the Gin was really possessive, and it was jealous 73 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: of any man who got too close to her. That 74 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: for her getting into a relationship might be an impossibility. 75 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: The Gin wouldn't let it happen, because, you see, the 76 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: Gin was in love with Sarah. Now, of course, as 77 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: she's telling me these things, I went through a range 78 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: of emotions. This is ridiculous. I thought she's lying. She 79 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: has to be lying, But why would she lie. She's 80 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: not a lot, sire, She's level headed, smart, educated, honest. Okay, well, 81 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: maybe she's hallucinating imagining things. But over and over again, 82 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: for years and years, I remembered. I wasn't sure what 83 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: to do with my face. She was dead serious, and 84 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: I was confused. I returned home that day and told 85 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: my husband the story as he munched on some cookies. Yeah, 86 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: he said, completely unphased. That happens. He happened to know 87 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: a lot more about Jin than I did, so that's 88 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: when I first began digging deeper into the world of Gin, 89 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: tracking down everything I could find to read and learn 90 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: about them. Sure, I had heard spooky stories growing up, 91 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: and was familiar with some of the scripture that mentioned 92 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: these beings. But the more I learned, the more I 93 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: realized I didn't know. Every rabbit hole led to another, 94 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: And in one of those rabbit holes, I found centuries 95 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: of stories, love stories between humans and Gin. Like in 96 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: Sarah's case, it wasn't always a two way street, but 97 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: in many cases the love of was mutual. Today will 98 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: explore what happens when lovers aren't just star crossed, they're 99 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: supernaturally crossed. My name is Robbia Chaudry, and I'll be 100 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: your guide into the world of the Hidden Gin welcome. 101 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: If you aren't familiar with one thousand and one Nights, 102 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: you might think the only time Agin appears in the 103 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: whole volume is in the Tale of Aladdin and a 104 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: Genie from the Magic Lamp. If so, you might be 105 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: surprised to learn that not only wasn't this story a 106 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: part of the original collection in one thousand and one Nights, 107 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: but also that there are many other Gin stories that 108 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 1: are Some stories, however, are less palatable for the subject 109 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: of Disney films than others, and certainly, if there was 110 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: one subject that American audiences weren't ready for, it's the 111 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: repeated theme in one thousand and one Nights of love, marriage, 112 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: and sexual relationships between Gin and humans. While these stories 113 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: may seem wondrous and fantastic, they were delivered to an 114 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: audience that not only widely believed in the existence of Gin, 115 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: but in a coexistence between Gin and mankind, in which 116 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: the Gin occupied both supernatural and earthly planes, interacting with humans, 117 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: living alongside them, communicating with them, and naturally, given the 118 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: right circumstances, it was understood and accepted that both humans 119 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: and Gin could and would develop romantic feelings for one another, 120 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: which takes us back to the many tales, the one 121 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: thousand and one of them that Shahrazadey told her king 122 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: to keep him entertained and to keep herself alive, where 123 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: we repeatedly come across this theme. In one story, we 124 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: learn about a far away place called the Mountain of 125 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: the Bereaved Mother, given this name by passing fishermen who 126 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: heard ways and moans whenever they passed by the island 127 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: where the mountain stood. According to the tale, a beautiful 128 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: female Jin, a Ginia from China, had once fallen in 129 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: love with a mortal man, which didn't fare well with 130 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: her Jin family. She was desperate to have him, though, 131 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: and she came up with an idea. She searched the 132 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: entire world for a place that no man or Jin 133 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: could access, and found an island in the middle of 134 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: the Sea of Troubles, And so she whisked her love 135 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: away to that island, with or without his consent, it's unclear, 136 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: but she kept him there for the rest of his life. 137 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: She would secretly visit him, sneaking away from her Gin family, 138 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: and over the years they ended up having many children together. 139 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: Now how she hid that from her family is unclear. However, 140 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: every time she had a child, she would leave it 141 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: behind on the mountain with the other children and their father, 142 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: and the moans and the cries heard by fishermen were 143 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: in fact the whales of lonely children crying for their mother. 144 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: A complic hated love story, if you will, and whether 145 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: or not had a happy ending is debatable. Nonetheless, that 146 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: Ginia got her Man One thousand and one Nights has 147 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of such tales of human gin love, 148 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: sometimes ending in socially accepted marriage, other times ending up 149 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: an elopement, abduction, and even death. Now you might be thinking, well, 150 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: these are tales told within a tale and are about 151 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: as real as the vampire human love stories in Twilight 152 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: or True Blood. Maybe, But then you have the real 153 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: life stories like Sarah's and many others, and at one 154 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: point in time it was actually pretty commonly accepted that 155 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: these relationships took place. As one example of how ubiquitous 156 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: and while normal, the very idea of human gen romance was, 157 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: we turned to a tenth century volume titled All Fairest, 158 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: which means the Catalog, and it was indeed a catalog. 159 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: In fact, alphaist is considered to be the very first 160 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: such catalog in history, indexing over ten thousand books inciting 161 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: to over two thousand authors. It was written and compiled 162 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: by the brilliant Bardadi polymath is shock Ibbin al Nadim, 163 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: who himself described the book as such, This is a 164 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: catalog of books of all peoples, Arab and non Arab, 165 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: existing in Arabic language and Arabic script, dealing with various sciences, 166 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: together with the accounts of those who composed them, and 167 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: the categories of their authors, their genealogies, dates of birth, 168 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: length of life, times of death, locations of the cities, 169 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: and their virtues and faults, from the beginning of each 170 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: science to this our own time. That time, by the way, 171 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: was the year b c. The catalog basically indexes every 172 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: book ever written in Arabic up to that point in time, 173 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: over a hugely vast array of subjects, politics, religion, history, science, literature, poetry, 174 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: and yes, the supernatural and I'll know them. Had two 175 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: sections directly relevant to our subject at hand. One section 176 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: titled names of those of mankind who loved the Gin 177 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: and vice versa, and the second section titled Lovers of 178 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: the Gin. These sections contained long lists of human Gin couples, 179 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: including head scratching entries like quote, I'll dre them the lion, 180 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: Judd the Liberal and Walks the Worthless, and another one 181 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: titled All Delfa, her Brothers and the Ginney. Now, whether 182 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: these were love triangles or threesomes, either way they were 183 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: pretty scandalous. But of course, who doesn't like a good scandal, 184 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: And what juicier drama than a love affair between a 185 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: gin and a human, an affair the society had no 186 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: power to stop, in which one lover could appear and 187 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: disappear right out of their beloved is bed. Never mind 188 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: the romance of a powerful supernatural entity choosing a mere 189 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: mortal as a partner. What about the actual physical experience itself. Well, 190 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: you can understand the kinds of things people imagined and 191 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: whispered incredibly seductive gossip fodder, if you ask me, And 192 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: ever more so given that it was believed that when 193 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: a Jin male or female fell in love with a human, 194 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: they would follow that human forever, and once that human 195 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: accepted the love, the gin would impart some of their 196 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: secret Jin knowledge to them, like how to heal disease? 197 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: Having a lover who could teach you powers others didn't have. Well, 198 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: that's quite a French benefit. These cross species trists were 199 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: apparently such a fairly common occurrence at the time in 200 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: the region that religious and legal scholars had debates over 201 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: the rules governing such relationships, about, for example, whether the 202 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: marriages to the gin were actually legitimate, and most scholars, 203 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: by the way set up well not but there were 204 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: some exceptions, and whether the children produced from such marriages 205 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: were legitimate. Now I can't help but wonder if maybe 206 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: sometimes single women had to claim marriage to a jinn 207 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: when they ended up inexplicably pregnant in a society that 208 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: would shun children outside of marriage, and charges of fornication 209 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: and adultery could lead to some very serious consequences. I 210 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: can see how it's very much a possibility that gin 211 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: marriage was well a cover, and some scholars have even 212 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: positive that maybe unions with supernatural entities were a vehicle 213 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: for female liberation and protection. The sexual liberation of not 214 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: having to explain a pregnancy, protection from social or religious 215 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: consequences of such a pregnancy, and from the charges of adultery, 216 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: and liberation from the societal pressures of marriage to a human. 217 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: In a year old story shows how this arrangement could 218 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: protect a woman. The story takes place in the time 219 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: of the Caliph Ali, one of the men given the 220 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: mantle of leadership of the entire Muslim community after the 221 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: profit of Islam Mohammed had passed away. One day, the 222 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: Caliph Ali noticed a child in the area acting strange, 223 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: and he asked who the child was. Someone pointed out 224 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: the child's mother, so Ali asked her who is the father, 225 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: and she responded, I don't know. One day I was 226 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: pasturing sheep for my parents when something in the form 227 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: of a cloud mate it with me. I became pregnant 228 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: and gave birth to this child, and that pretty much 229 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: settled the matter. Whatever purpose human gin romances may serve, 230 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: there's no doubt that there's just a general fascination with them. 231 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: And for the record, the lure of love between the 232 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: supernatural and mortals is not just confined to the Arabian 233 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: Peninsula and the t else that come to us from 234 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: one thousand and one Nights. You find it across different 235 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: cultures and religions throughout history. Those of you who know 236 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: your Bible will remember that in Genesis, the benni Iloheim, 237 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: known as the sons of God were commonly understood to 238 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: be angels that descended to Earth and took up human wives. 239 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: In Celtic and Irish folklore, it's not only believed that 240 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: fairies have long hooked up with humans, it's not uncommon 241 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: even today for families from the region to claim some 242 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: fairy ancestry. And South Asia abounds with stories of love 243 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: and marriage between humans and the mythical half human half 244 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: snake creature called the noggin if male or neguini if female. 245 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: They're said to be irresistibly beautiful and incredibly wise, and 246 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: they often seek to mate with human royalty, resulting in attractive, brilliant, 247 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: noble offspring. There does seem to be a rather universal 248 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: inclination towards accepting and even honoring supernatural romance, says and 249 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: why not. Human curiosity has no limit, and our attraction 250 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: for the unknown, the forbidden, the powerful, for love and 251 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: desire and to be desired sometimes at any cost, is 252 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: very much a part of being human, which is maybe 253 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: why I'll gnaw them so matter of factly compile those 254 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: lists of human and gin lovers in his book The Catalog, 255 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: like It's any other fact of life. One last note 256 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: about the book. Interestingly, All Fairest maybe the first documented 257 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: reference ever in history to the book One thousand and 258 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: one Nights. Unfortunately, however, All Nah Them wasn't very impressed 259 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: with it. He notes in his catalog that it is 260 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: quote a truly coarse book without warmth in the telling. 261 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure Shahrazadi would disagree. In the world of Gin, 262 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: there are some who fall in love with a person 263 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: and person do that one love for years, even decades 264 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: a lifetime. But then there are those who are never 265 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: quite satisfied with just one partner. Two female Gin in 266 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: North African traditions are particularly flirtatious and amorous, collecting lovers 267 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: as often as they like. Both of these Gin with 268 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: the honorific title Lula, meaning lady. Their names are Lulla 269 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: Mulicca and La La Mira. As her name, which means queen, 270 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: suggests Lulla Mulca is Jin royalty. She is the daughter 271 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: of a Gin king. Malika is not just regal and beautiful, 272 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: she's chic as well. She likes to be well dressed. 273 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: She only wears garments embroidered with gold thread, and she 274 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: expects her followers those who seek her to likewise be 275 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: dressed beautifully and smelling nice. She loves clothing so much, 276 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: in fact, that it said that she lives inside of wardrobes, 277 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: where no doubt she's planning her outfits. As you may 278 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: have guessed, Mulika is an egg exactly a fearsome gin. 279 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: She's sweet nature and fun loving, often tickling people and 280 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: leaving them with uncontrollable giggles. La La Molika is a lover, 281 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: not a fighter, you might say, and she's a lover 282 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: particularly of married men. When a man gets her attention, 283 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: she unseen to him, passes her hands in front of 284 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: his eyes, clouding them over, putting him in sort of 285 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: a trance, a trance in which he forgets everything he 286 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 1: knows and loves, even where he lives, and suddenly is 287 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: taken over for a deep longing from Mulika, who he 288 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: hasn't even seen or heard, but his heart already knows. 289 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: Lalla Molicca will then whisper to him, I want to 290 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: marry you. I want you to sleep with me. Because 291 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: these men are usually already married, well, they have to 292 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: negotiate a bit with Molcca. They have to get Lula 293 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: Molicca's permission to continue to have relations with their earthly 294 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: wives before they'll enter into the sacred supernatural marriage with Mulika. 295 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: And that's not exactly a deal breaker for her. After all, 296 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: she has only one use for the man. She's not 297 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: exactly trying to settle down and have a family here 298 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: as long as her husband's agree to her terms being 299 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: clean shaven and well groomed, perfumed and well dressed, and 300 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: of course fulfilling her needs in their marital bed. She 301 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: doesn't much care for what they do in their own time. 302 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: But even more popular and more powerful than La la 303 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: Mulica is La la Mira, a ginia that's both feared 304 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: and loved by those who believe in her. You could 305 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: say Mira is complicated. She's both giving and foreboding. She 306 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: can be playful and charming, but quickly loses her temper, 307 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: and unlike Mulca, she's jealous and possessive of her lovers. 308 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: Mira too has a fancy for married men, but when 309 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: she wants a man, she will not share him. She 310 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: will come to him in his dreams. And I don't 311 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: mean just as a vision. She will actually visit a 312 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: man as he sleeps and enter his dream ames, making 313 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: those dreams well not exactly suitable for children. The dreams 314 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: will get more frequent and intense, even to the point 315 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: of becoming debilitating for the object of her affection, rendering 316 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: him unable to sleep and unable to function when he's awake. 317 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: Because when he's awake she expects him to basically spend 318 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: his time worshiping her. But if she gets bored with 319 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: her lover, he'll know because the dreams will get less frequent, 320 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: and eventually they will end all together. Now, as far 321 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: as Mara is concerned, her lovers should be honored that 322 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 1: she's even interested in them, and they should be completely 323 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: and utterly fulfilled by her and her alone. That's not 324 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: to say that she will never share a lover. She 325 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: has been known to negotiate terms, set up a schedule 326 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: if you will, but she doesn't like it, and if 327 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: you cross her or betray her, you will pay the price. 328 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: La La Mira attacks suddenly and viciously, leaving her victims 329 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: paralyzed or possess, sing them and leading them into hysterics 330 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: and madness. It's rather interesting that both Lalla Molica and 331 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: Lalla Mira prefer married men over single men, and you 332 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: can't help but wonder about that, especially because it's said 333 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: that these gins sometimes appear to their lovers disguised as 334 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: women they already know. Seems pretty convenient if you ask 335 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: me a ready excuse for infidelity. After all, how can 336 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: you blame the poor married man for being forced into 337 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: an affair with the gin. It's easier and less dangerous 338 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: to just give the gin what she wants instead of 339 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: denying her right, even if she happens to look just 340 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: like the lady from down the street. Not all flings 341 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: with the gin are long term. Brief sexual encounters are 342 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: reported commonly, even going back centuries. The sixth century pre 343 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: Islamic Arab poet Babbitt Ibn Jabber lived a very colorful life. 344 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: While he was known for his poetry about desert life, 345 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: he lived with a band of bandits that raided local tribes, 346 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: and then they hid in the hills and mountains, evading capture. 347 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 1: Out there, one night in the wilderness, he found himself 348 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: face to face with a female gin. Now it's unclear 349 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: exactly what happened next between the two, but Jabbar ended 350 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: up writing a poem about the meeting, called How I 351 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: Met the Ghoul I lay upon her through the night, 352 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: that in the morning I might see what had come 353 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: to me. Behold two eyes and a hideous head like 354 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: the head of a cat, split tongued legs like a 355 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: deformed fetus, the back of a dog, clothes of haircloth 356 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: or worn out skins. Now, some have interpreted the poem 357 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: to mean that he killed the gin and then he 358 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,239 Speaker 1: just kind of laid on top of her all night 359 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: so he could take the Jin's body back to his 360 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: camp and showed the others. But others interpret the poem 361 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: to mean that Jabbar made love to the ghoul, who 362 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: then revealed her true hideous form, and so he killed her. 363 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the second interpretation because, well, 364 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: it just makes more sense. And that's because there are 365 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: an entire class of Gin, both male and female, who 366 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: draw their energy from sexual relations with humans. You've probably 367 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: heard of them too, the succubus a female entity, and 368 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: an incubus a male entity. I didn't realize these creatures 369 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: are gin. Oh, but they are very low le gin, 370 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: on the very bottom of the totem pole of gin. 371 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: But Jin, nonetheless, and both the succubus and incubus are 372 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 1: after only one thing sexual gratification, and both of them 373 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: tend to sexually assault their victims as they sleep without 374 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: warning and certainly without consent, a terrifying and you could 375 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: say paralyzing experience. The phenomena of being sexually attacked during 376 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: sleep is so common. In two thousand seventeen, the University 377 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: of Leiden in the Netherlands conducted a meta study titled 378 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: Prevalence Rates of the Incubus Phenomena a Systematic Review and 379 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: meta Analysis. The team of researchers reviewed thirteen existing studies 380 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: that took a look at the sleep experiences of eight 381 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: people from across the globe, including Canada, the United States, China, Japan, Italy, 382 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: and Mexico. They found that nearly eleven percent of the 383 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: general global population has at one point in their life 384 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: experienced something that could be described as an incubus or 385 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: succubus encounter, and of course this is not just a 386 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: contemporary phenomena. The researchers noted that the experience of being 387 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted while asleep has been documented all the way 388 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: back to antiquity, and it seems to occur in every 389 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: single population group and every culture in every nation, in 390 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: every time in history. Each culture, however, interpreted the phenomena 391 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: in their own cultural context. In Newfoundland they called it 392 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: the Old Hag. In Japan, it's the cannashibari. In Brazil, 393 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: these creatures are called the piece of di era. But 394 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: no matter what people call it or how the creature 395 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: is viewed literally and otherwise, the actual experience, regardless of 396 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: the culture or historical context, was almost exactly the same. 397 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: And here is how the study describes it. The incubus 398 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: phenomena is a paroximal sleep related disorder characterized by feeling 399 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: of pressure on the chest while the sleeping individual has 400 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: a sensation of being awake. Attacks are typically accompanied by 401 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis and compound hallucinations involving a creature sitting or 402 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: lying on the thorax, exerting pressure, and carrying out aggressive 403 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: and or sexual acts. The creature may appear in the 404 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: shape of a human, animal or metaphysical being, or be 405 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: of an indeterminate nature. Attacks may occasionally commands with a scream, 406 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: whereas for the remainder of the time, persons experiencing an 407 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: attack tend to be mute, although they may be able 408 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: to move their eyes. A tonia of astrit muscles prevents 409 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: them from making any other movements. Attacks are usually accompanied 410 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: by the feeling of a sensed presence and by vegetative 411 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: symptoms such as a cold, sweat, hypertension, of feeling of suffocation, 412 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: and sometimes also sexual arousal. The duration tends to be 413 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: in the order of seconds to minutes, culminating and a 414 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: feeling of severe dread and the conviction that one is 415 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: about to die. Around that time, the sleep paralysis tends 416 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: to come to an abrupt ending, and the hallucinated creature 417 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 1: appears to fall or glide from the bed, leaving its 418 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: victim behind in a state of anxiety and hyper arousal, 419 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: being unable to go back to sleep out of fear 420 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: for repetition. The researchers found that many participants dismissed the 421 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: experience as a nightmare, but for some, repeated encounters led 422 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: to some very other real problems when awake, like off 423 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: the chart's anxiety, anxiety from an increasing fear of going 424 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: to sleep, and the terror of feeling like you might 425 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: actually die. They also found that while there wasn't data 426 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: connecting repeated attacks to sudden unexpected death syndrome, in which 427 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: people who are otherwise healthy and fine die in their sleep, well, 428 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: it was possible. It's important to understand that the framework 429 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: of this study, and indeed most studies on the incubus 430 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: or succubus experience, is within the field of sleep paralysis itself, 431 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: which doctors describe as a perfectly explainable and common sleep disorder, 432 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: and the terrifying creature that so many have described being 433 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: assaulted by during sleep paralysis. It's merely a hallucination, said 434 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: the experts. The sleep demon, they say, is what some 435 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: people see when they're suddenly jolted awake in the middle 436 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: of the rem sleep cycle. Their brain still stuck in 437 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: dreams or nightmares in this case, that are now being 438 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: projected into the dark room around you. Your brain, as 439 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: it does when you sleep, has shut off the signals 440 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: to your body that would ordinarily cause it to move, walk, run, turnover, 441 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: so you're paralyzed, and as you're still in rem sleep 442 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: that segment of our sleep patterns in which we dream, 443 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: you're seeing remnants of a dream projected onto the reality 444 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: around you. That says, science is what's really happening. And look, 445 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: I believe in science. I believe in climate change and evolution, 446 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: in mitigating pandemics through social distancing and wearing masks. But 447 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: there is a part of me that wonders, why are 448 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: all these experiences so exactingly similar and why are they 449 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: always menacing? I mean, we all also have highly pleasant dreams. 450 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: Why don't we wake up paralyzed it in a sunny 451 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: valley of mountains made of chocolate and gems flying through 452 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: the air, surrounded by unicorns? Or why don't we wake 453 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: up in the middle of a dream with a sexual 454 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: encounter with someone that you might actually want to have 455 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: one with. Why is it always a dark, ominous, horrifying 456 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: creature pressing down in your chest, cutting off your breath, 457 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: trying to kill you. I don't know, and a scientific 458 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: explanation only works to a certain extent for me. You 459 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: might be thinking, well, look, what about the fact that 460 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: people in different parts of the world see the creature differently. 461 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: Doesn't that mean that what they're seeing is indeed a 462 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: project of their own imagination? Well? Maybe, or maybe the 463 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: gin who can transform into anything, transform themselves into something 464 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: that can be understood by their victim, that resonates within 465 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: their cultural context. For those who have lived through these attacks, however, 466 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: science may choose to understand them. They are all too real. 467 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: In two thousand and six, Canadian journalist Peter Duffy wrote 468 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: about his first such encounter. I went to bed. It 469 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: was midnight, late for me, and that's when it happened. 470 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: I became aware of a strange presence in the bedroom, 471 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: something emitting waves of malevolence. And then I saw it. 472 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: Something was rearing over me. I don't know how or why, 473 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: but instinctively I knew it was a demon of some kind. 474 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: I recoiled in horror, trying to make myself small, unable 475 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: to tear my eyes away. There was no face. This 476 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: thing had a human form, but it was swathed in 477 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: a black cowl like covering, like some kind of monk. 478 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: And then it was on top of me, soundless and unstoppable, 479 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: smothering me, assaulting me. There's no delicate way to put this. 480 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: I was vividly aware of this creature violating me. I yelled, 481 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: but nothing came from my lips. My struggles were in 482 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: slow motion. I was helpless, and then as suddenly as 483 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: it appeared, the creature was gone. Duffy was so distraught 484 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: by the attack that he reached out to various people 485 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: to try and understand it a psychic, a philosophy professor, 486 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: a priest, and mostly the response he got was that 487 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: it was a stress induced phenomena dig deeper into your life. 488 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: He was told to figure out what's really bothering you, 489 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: But Duffy wasn't so sure. He wrote, the incident was 490 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: so terrifying it haunts me still even now, three weeks later. 491 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: The memory of that dream makes me go cold. If 492 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: it actually was a dream, I shake my head, still 493 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: not convinced what happened to me was actually a dream. 494 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: While the succubus and incubus experiences are terrifying for a 495 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: number of reasons, the fact that they are violations or 496 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: feel like violations, are probably the most distressing aspect. There's 497 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: no asking for or giving consent in these scenarios, but 498 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean there aren't people who actively seek out 499 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: sexual relationships with the gin. In the fourteenth century, a 500 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: Moroccan magician by the name of Muhammad al Timinsani wrote 501 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: a volume with the intriguing title Sons of Lights and 502 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: Treasures of Secrets. In it, he gave readers the secret 503 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: spell to cast if you wanted to have sex with 504 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: the daughter of the White King of the Jin. Pretty straightforward. Actually. 505 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: First you have to isolate yourself alone in the desert, 506 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: where you must fast for twelve days while continuously chanting incantations. 507 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: After twelve days, a dragon will appear, but you have 508 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: to be fastidious, not get frightened, and maintain your composure. 509 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: If you're successful in ignoring the beast, the Jin Princess 510 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: will appear. She's pale, decked out in gems and jewels 511 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: and walks with an enticing sway. She can be yours, 512 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: but of course it comes with a ice. If you 513 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: sleep with the Gin Princess, you might experience things that 514 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: you can never imagine. But the price that you pay 515 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: is this, you'll become impotent to all the real women 516 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,959 Speaker 1: in the real world. And that's quite the devil's bargain, 517 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: you might say. Thanks for joining us this week. Next 518 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: week we'll be back to take you another step into 519 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: the world of the Hidden Gin. Until then, remember we 520 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: are not alone. If you loved today's episode, I'm gonna 521 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: ask you a big favor. 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