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Speaker 1: bad friend, friend, How are you? I'm so good. Um.

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Speaker 1: I've had a really really intense, beautiful week full of

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Speaker 1: personal struggle, but I've come out on the other end

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Speaker 1: feeling inspired and ready to embrace the world and life

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Speaker 1: in all of its natural beauty. Oh my god, that's

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Speaker 1: so beautiful. Would you mind um sharing with our audience

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Speaker 1: one of your struggles. Yeah. As someone who deals with

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Speaker 1: issues of sleep deprivation in LGBTQ, UM, I have turned

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Speaker 1: mostly it's just like sleep stuff. We just got back

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Speaker 1: there late, and I was also in Wisconsin, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear about that on the VIP lounge, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear about You're hearing about us eating in Chicago

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Speaker 1: tell totally about the kole sla salad that my boyfriend's

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Speaker 1: tell the story how when I um left Wisconsin, I

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Speaker 1: bought cheese kurds, um and but I put them in

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Speaker 1: they were in packaging, so it didn't It was more

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Speaker 1: like firm, but have a little bit of gift, a

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Speaker 1: that would have been great if you kind of mistook

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Speaker 1: because whole thing about jes curts is they actually don't

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Speaker 1: And my boyfriend is a scientist, is always saying like,

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Speaker 1: What is health? So true, health is wealth and wealth.

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Speaker 1: It's happiness, but wealth is also money and fame, which

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Speaker 1: our memoirist does have. This week, she used her senses

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Speaker 1: to say crazy laptop, but she has this like typewriter.

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00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, She's like, I love like the wormwood typewriter.

424
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. This is that you have to

425
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: get it and you can type in Greek in algebra,

426
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: in you know, and it's like being so three acts

427
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 1: like speek typing Greek. She also mentions, which I love

428
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: because Boston loves its white ethnicities, where she was like, oh,

429
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: I loved like all the Grecian stories because like all

430
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: the Greeks I met in Boston like would always like

431
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: tell me about their Greek tales. And I feel like

432
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: it was so just like um nineteen o five and

433
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: some guy being like Opah, like you gotta here at

434
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: the freaking story of Zeus. Let me read this pastor

435
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: about CSW, which is also famous for having a bisexual

436
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: making people bisexual at the Cambridge School. For the first

437
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: time in my life, I enjoyed the companionship of seeing

438
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: and hearing girls of my own age. I live with

439
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: several others in one of the pleasant houses connected with

440
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: the school, the house where mister Howe's used to live,

441
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: and we all had the advantage of home life. I

442
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: joined them in many of their games, even blind Man's

443
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: Bluff and frolics in the snow. I took long walks

444
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: with them. We discussed our studies and read aloud the

445
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: things that interested us. Some of the girls learned to

446
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: speak to me so that Miss Sullivan did not have

447
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: to repeat their conversation. So also, like in high school,

448
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: like people were always like walking to the woods to

449
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: like smoke, and I feel like this is very like

450
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: early generation that she's like we're doing snow frolics. Well,

451
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: she's also being like like girl who's like one of

452
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: the teachers is taking a shine too, and was like

453
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: having like this kind of cool walking relationship with right.

454
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: And also but finally she can I'm a little confused

455
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: that I have to say by the sight because when

456
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: she says sometimes she's like, oh and I could like

457
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: hang and see what the girls or she'd be like

458
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: she was think she uses the words seem more broad

459
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: lead to mean perception and like because she's touching shocked

460
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: about like the doll and she was just like and

461
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: when the next time I saw her, you know what

462
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like and like right, and the promorphizing this

463
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: like fucked up doll that her aren't made out of towels.

464
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: Like she's like, she's sounds so freaky. And then she

465
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: like rips a bead off her aunt's dress and is like,

466
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: make this an eye, Like this doll has no eyes,

467
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: Please give it an eye. Um. It's like, yeah, I

468
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: think she just means c in that way that just

469
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: like she perceived them at a later point. She definitely

470
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: always talks with the sun and she's like it seemed

471
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: to be either could be nothing more beautiful than the sun,

472
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: whose warmth makes all things grow, because she asks Miss Sullivan,

473
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: is the sun not love? And she like loves going

474
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: out into the sun and like bathing in his warmth.

475
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: I want. Yeah, It's like I do wonder if there's

476
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of a perception on the eyelids of

477
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: like it getting lighter. But there's obviously many levels of

478
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: blindness and right, and I think we're taught like if

479
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: you're blind, everything is just black, yeah, which I don't

480
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: as someone who is very visually impaired to like it's

481
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a blur. Yeah, Like when you're driving,

482
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: it's basically just a blur. It's what you see in

483
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: front of you, figures that are blurring. I mean I

484
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: can see things, but they're extremely blurry, which is why

485
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: it gives meat so much confidence to know that you're

486
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: behind the wheel of a hounda fit. Yeah, with prescription sunglasses.

487
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: So there you go, which have changed my life. Ok. Wait,

488
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: can I read this one part about Radcliffe where she

489
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: kind of like is dragging like some of these bitches,

490
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,239
Speaker 1: which I really appreciate. She goes. But college is not

491
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: the universal Athens I thought it was there. One does

492
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: not meet the great and the wise face to face.

493
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: One does not even feel their living touch. They're there,

494
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: it is true, but they seem mummified. We must extract

495
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: them from the crowding wall of learning into sect and

496
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: analyze them before we can be sure that we have

497
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: a Milton or an Isaiah, and not merely a clever imitator.

498
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: Many scholars forget. It seems to me that our enjoyment

499
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: of the webs literature depends more upon the depth of

500
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: our sympathy than upon our understanding. The trouble is the

501
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: very few of their laborious explanations stick in the memory.

502
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: The mind drops them as a branch drops its over right, irish,

503
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: It is possible. Okay, here's the party left. It is

504
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: possible to know a flower root and stammen all and

505
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: all the processes of growth, and yet to have no

506
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: appreciation of the flower fresh bathed in Heaven's do. She's like, Samau,

507
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: bitches are out here memorizing your names and dates, but

508
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: y'all don't appreciate the culture. Well, she says this, I

509
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: was actually shocked. I took a breath, a deep sensual breath, Wench,

510
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: which I felt sometimes about school, where she said sometimes

511
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 1: school is so much a learning that you don't have

512
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: time to think. Yes, oh my god. The scene where

513
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: she learns the word for think that actually like did

514
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: kind of take my breath away a little bit, Like

515
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: when miss Sullivan like she's trying to figure something out

516
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: andss Sullivan's fingering the word think. She's having trouble like

517
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: figuring out something with like bead. She's like counting on

518
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: an abbocus or something, and she was like trying to

519
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: do this, like sequence of beads. Finally, I noticed a

520
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: very obvious error in the sequence, and for an instant

521
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: I concentrated my attention on the lesson and tried to

522
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: think how I should have arranged the beads. Miss Sullivan

523
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: touched my forehead and spelled with decided emphasis. Think. In

524
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: a flash, I knew that the word was the name

525
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: of the process that was going on in my head.

526
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: This was the first conscious perception of an abstract idea

527
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: for a long time. It was still I was not

528
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: thinking of the beads in my lap, but trying to

529
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: find a meaning for love in the light of this

530
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: new idea. The sun had been under a cloud all day,

531
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: and there had been brief showers, but suddenly the sun

532
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: broke forth and all its southern splendor again. I asked

533
00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: my teacher, is this not love? Ah? Like the idea

534
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: of her like knowing when it figuring out what an

535
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: idea is. It's like she's having this like much more

536
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: like intellectualized, broken down I like concept of like how

537
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: we even form thoughts because I think like we all

538
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: take language for granted, and we forget that we we

539
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: are in prisoned by language. We can only think in

540
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: thoughts right, It's like she already she knew what knew

541
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: what love was, but was like having to categorize it

542
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: in our like classic speaking and seeing yes and wait

543
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: and hadn't gotten too speech before. She already had the

544
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: ideas and the feelings and like that sensation of going

545
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: out into the sun and there's something so thrilling and

546
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: exciting about that and pure and then also you know,

547
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: and it makes you realize, like, you know, language as

548
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: much as it frees us also is dropping us all

549
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: the time. Prisons. Well, I feel like such a classic

550
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: like slumber party, g rated slumber party question. You know,

551
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, would you like rather be blind

552
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: or deaf? Oh? Yeah? But I feel like no one

553
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: ever says would you rather be cold and touch numb? Yeah?

554
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: So I ask you because then it's like which would you?

555
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: You know? Then it's like that's actually totally different, right, well,

556
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: the numb because we're on our phones. But it's like

557
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: when she talks about like swimming, you know, her first

558
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: time swimming and my author connection when she goes to

559
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: Brews to Cape cod which is where I went to

560
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: girl Scout Camp Brewsta, Oh my god, literally the same

561
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: person blind blinds and alternative learners. Cape Cod girls. Cape

562
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: Cod girls just go to the beach, like you also

563
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: love the sun, and I love the sun, I love

564
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: water and she and so the camp I went to

565
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: it was called Camp Favorite, and you know, we would

566
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: you could choose sailing our bike and the way she

567
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: alt just describes biking, you know, just the feeling of

568
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: the air, the breeze rushing towards you, Yeah, as you

569
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: peddle along. Beautiful. And then in the ocean actually sounds

570
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of terrifying because she's like in there and then

571
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: of course the water goes over her head and she

572
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: tries to like hold on. Yeah, things I would not

573
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: do if I was mine would be like be in

574
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: the ocean, I barely want to get in as the

575
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,959
Speaker 1: sea as a sighted folk. Or I was like also

576
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: if I was missus Sullivan, I don't know she's I'm

577
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: sure missus Sullivan was right by there. She had her,

578
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: she had her on a leash, throwing Helen Keller into

579
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: the ocean of the Cape. It's a little grim It's

580
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: like was she trying to get rid of her stranger

581
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: by the lake And it's lesbian murder. That's a little

582
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: bit like oops, I don't know. We were swimming and

583
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: then I didn't see her miss Sullivan or like I

584
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: lean were nose Um yeah, okay, but so too but

585
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: like out of the five like the dropping now, I'm like,

586
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: it's now that I know you can't do taster smell

587
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: though out of sight hearing touch. Now I'm like, maybe

588
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: I would honestly be blood wow because you would rather

589
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: do hearing. Well, I mean, we do work in audio.

590
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: We are pubb we do work a little. We are

591
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: podcasters and music. Yeah, music. Because my first action would

592
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: say I would I would ditch hearing because I do

593
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: love touch so much. I'm so erotic and sight is

594
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: huge for me. Um, you know yeah, it's like I

595
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: can't right right, And I was like, wait, I can

596
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: never like see the outfits. But if you think about

597
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: when you know, touching fabrics, yeah, and it almost may

598
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: make your style better. And also this hunger, like it's

599
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: never enough. I came home with you know, you know,

600
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, another T shirt and you know, I I'm told,

601
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: when is when? Will it ever be enough? Yeah? And

602
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: that's my eyes. No, that's the tyranny of your eyes.

603
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: They're so gluttonous. They just want more and more stimulation

604
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: all the time. They're not happy with eighteen black T shirts.

605
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: They need twenty two black T shirts and then it's

606
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: forty four. Okay. But if I was just touching luxorious

607
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: fabrics then making love and hearing music and tasting grapes,

608
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: God sounds like heaven, doesn't it. Yeah, when she like

609
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: the end of the book, is also like her just

610
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: like listing other friends that she made, so she was

611
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: really close with um, mister Bell, Yeah, Alexander Graham, Like yeah,

612
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, and I feel like we're they

613
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: just being so like we're fellow like nineteenth century like celebrities,

614
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: just being like I love It's so like Christine Quinn

615
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: just being like I love Simone Biles, like we really

616
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: love kind Oh. I was like, but yeah, you're like

617
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: how much were you and mister Bell hanging? But maybe

618
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: I feel like he was probably so intrigued by her

619
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: since he invented the phone? No, for sure, if I

620
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: invented the phone, another kind of like you know, uh,

621
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: like paragon of communication, right right, I think would be

622
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: really interesting to me. They were both great, great communicators.

623
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: I what I did think was were by the end

624
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: of it, I feel like she doesn't really talk about

625
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: her like rides to Fame, which is kind of the

626
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: whole point of every Sylebty memoir. And I'm kind of like,

627
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: where's yeah, And I don't know if the rise to

628
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: fame was basically mentioned in this like friendship diary where

629
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: she's like, you actually have to hear Mark Twain stories,

630
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: like he is like no other seriously, like he says

631
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: the craziest shit is basically what she says. And then

632
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: she's like, and doctor Bell was amazing, and you're kind

633
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: of like, so when to Radcliffe, like you don't really

634
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: tell us kind of when you really, you know, shot

635
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: off my book. My version has the letters in the back.

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Speaker 1: Do you have this same? Yeah? I have the letters

637
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Speaker 1: and the afterward for Marley Matlin. Also, I actually didn't

638
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: our favorite deaf actress, Marley Matlin. She talks about how

639
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Speaker 1: like Henry Winkler came up to her once like when

640
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: she was like a teen. It sound like a van

641
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: Her parents told Henry Winkler to like not be too

642
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Speaker 1: encouraging so they not get her hopes up about like

643
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Speaker 1: becoming an actress, but Henry Winkler was like so supportive

644
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: of people pursuing their dreams, and he gave her this

645
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: just like incredibly generic advice and was like, Marley Matlin,

646
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Speaker 1: pursue your dreams. And then she was like and then

647
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: night years later I did win an oscar okay, obsessed

648
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: and like the fawns was so just like, yeah, the

649
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: moral of the the story is like a listen to the

650
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Speaker 1: fawns and not your parents. Hell yes, I mean yeah,

651
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: her parents. She is like, I love them. But at

652
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: the same time, I feel like this book is really

653
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: about missus Sullivan. A point here which back to touch

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Speaker 1: for a second. Here's a quote. The hands of those

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Speaker 1: I meet are dumbly eloquent. To me. The touch of

656
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: some hands is an impertinence. I've met people so empty

657
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: of joy that when I clashed their frosty fingertips, it

658
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: seemed as if I were shaking hands with a northeast storm.

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Speaker 1: Other there are those whose hands of sunbeams in them

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00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: so that their grass warms my heart. So she's saying,

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Speaker 1: you can tell a part you know, it's class. This

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00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: is also getting very like classic business book, like you

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Speaker 1: can tell a person by their hands. Their hands Keller

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Speaker 1: is like eight eight tips were being successful as an entrepreneur. Yeah,

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00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: she I mean I do love that, you know, that

666
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: intimation there. I mean I do feel it's like maybe

667
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: it's a little bit like she is protecting a little bit,

668
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: like maybe someone was cold when they came in. It's

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00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: like you're living in Boston, like it's gonna be cold,

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00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: people are going to be and gloves back then, I mean,

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00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess they were like, you know,

672
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: you could have amazing leather gloves. But but you know,

673
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: at the same time, though, it in it's sort of

674
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: a challenge to like, you know, I hate the word

675
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: intuition because I feel like it's so kind of dismissed

676
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: and it's like female coded and that's way that's actually

677
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: super problematic. Um. But obviously, like you know, perception is

678
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: the grand sum of so many other things and not

679
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: just you know, right or vision or whatever. It's like,

680
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: you know, we don't even know how the fucking human

681
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: mind works, my dude. And it's like you can It's

682
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: like she's basically saying, like vibes are vibes Okay, oh

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00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: my god, okay, Kelor Jinks, but like she's literally between

684
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: it's like there's pheromones like there's energy, like there is

685
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: like you can sense people's emotions and they're they're like

686
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: either their reticence or they're they're warmth to interact with you.

687
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: And like that's all accurate, and it's probably that much

688
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: more heightened because she's maybe someone's like afraid, you know,

689
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: to shake Helen Keller's hand. Right, she's touching your like

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00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: you know wool blazer that you got out of the

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Speaker 1: thrift's shore and she's like she's feeling the dried ketchup

692
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: on it, and she's like, you're fun. You're tons of fun.

693
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: You have to come over to me and Miss Sullivan's

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00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: house in Forests of Queens. Okay, wait the whole Plager's

695
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: in Scandal part Oh wait, we need to get into this.

696
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: This is insane and honestly, like the fact that she

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00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: even gets blamed for it is like crazy and like

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00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: that Miss Sullivan really gets But okay, so she's in school.

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Speaker 1: This is precs W. Shet Perkins. Yeah, she's had Perkins,

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00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: the famous school for you know it, the blood. They

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00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: have to write a story. She writes a story called

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00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: Frosty frolic I Believe or Frosty Feathers yeah, something something

703
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: about winter. Yeah, king of the Frog. She turns it

704
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: in everyone so impressed. Um and she literally like, did

705
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: you know she learned how to write blah blah blah.

706
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: And then they're like, Helen, this is the same story

707
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: as Jack Frost. What it's not? Is it Jack Frost?

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00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's it's a slightly different. It's

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00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: some other like thing about called Frost. There's like a

710
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: bunch of frost. Because she says, she's like, maybe it

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00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: was because i'd heard Jack Frost, but not like the

712
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: Frost Princess and not like Elsa. And it sounds like

713
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 1: everyone's just rewriting Frozen or whatever. The Frost King incident. Okay,

714
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: she was eleven. Okay, so Helen Keller wrote a short

715
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: story called The Frost King as a birthday present. There

716
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: was another story called King Frost. Again, basically, they were like,

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00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: you plagiarized this story. And a teacher had Perkins had

718
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: like read her the story, well, like on the Cape.

719
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: Missus Sullivan had read her the story on the Cape,

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00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: and and and like she goes and things She's like,

721
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: well I don't even think I read that. And then

722
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: someone says like, well, actually when you were at that

723
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: Cape house that summer, like you were like that store,

724
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: that book was on the shelf, and like everyone was

725
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: being such a reditor and like trying to like figure

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00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: out the actual history of the Frost mistery of the Frost.

727
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: And and then she was like okay, but if they did,

728
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: like I didn't mean that's right, I remember it. And

729
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: then she was like okay. But then low key, I

730
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: was reading some of my other letters and it was

731
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: being so that woman's story and I literally was like

732
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: randomly like paraphrasing her. So also kind of badass. She's

733
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: like getting kicked out of CSWN Perkins School of the Blind,

734
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: like for plagiarism again ko of bisexual apergy um. But

735
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: they they asked that she doesn't get kicked out of Perkins.

736
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: I think just miss Sullivan gets like asked to leave

737
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: because Miss Sullivan would just always be there. Well, And

738
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: they had a full like disciplinary committee hearing, which is

739
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: so private school to have to have like a mock

740
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: trial for fucking like twelve year olds like and it

741
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: was like so me when I also got like suspended

742
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: for like my infamous prank call and there was like

743
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: a full disciplinary trial, and it's just like, can you

744
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: guys not with the just full like no, this is

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00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: a this is a Greco Roman border of law. Yeah,

746
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: that's being so iliad and just like and they're like

747
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, she's again. I mean I think they're

748
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, being like, we need to be treated everyone equally.

749
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: But it's like, okay, So miss Sullivan last summer wrote

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00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: out an entire story about like someone named mister Frost

751
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: on her hand, and then a year later she wrote

752
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: a story about winter. It's a little bit like yeah,

753
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: who cares simmer all the way down? But you know

754
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: these writer types, I mean it's so it's just like

755
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: so like insular, like writer's workshop for there to be

756
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: such a like controversy and it's so the kidney girl

757
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: and it's so like the new controversy this week, and

758
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: it's so just like cat story or whatever. Yet it's

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00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: every Also, I think in school, I remember it's like

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00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: the word plagiros. I'm like, they're really is nothing worse,

761
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's better for you to like

762
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: cheat on a math tesk. Yeah, like it's the most dressed,

763
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: it is the most scalatible letters. Oh wait. Also quickly.

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00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: I just want to say, I'd like that she's like

765
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: a ruralist. She's very kind of anti city because cities

766
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: are like so loud, and I'm not Just if you

767
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: ever obsessed with Rentham, can we talk about that? She's

768
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: like the finest town in the entire country is Rentham, Massachusetts?

769
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: Is she wrong? People who think all sensations reach us

770
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: through the eye, in the air of expressed surprise, that

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00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: I should notice any difference except possibly the absence of pavements,

772
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: between walking in city streets and in country roads. They

773
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: forget that my whole body is alive to the conditions.

774
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: The rumble and roar of the city smite the nerves

775
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: of my faith, and I feel the ceaseless tramp of

776
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: an unseen multitude, and the dissonant TUMULTI threats my spirit.

777
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: It borders Foxborough. Well, next time we're at a pad Skame,

778
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: we should stop. Yeah, we'll stop by Rentha. Maybe Helen

779
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: Keller's cottage is still there. Yeah, send some things that

780
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: she did. I feel like they're very like because of COVID,

781
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: Like the Helen Keller house is not open. It's now closed,

782
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: but you can take photos outside of it, like do

783
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: inquire for private tours? In twenty twenty three, we're emailing

784
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: like the most Massachusetts like fleece s wearing just like

785
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 1: a historical woman. And she's like, so this was Helen

786
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: Keller's desk. We're like, wow, Wow, this was it. He

787
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: there are boys and girls. Here's a clip from this

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Speaker 1: week's vip Lounge. Go to Patreon dot com slash see

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Speaker 1: the pad to stand up. If you're Gunnar, remember enjoying

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00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: We get to chase his dad's house and then he

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00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: had warn me that it was going to be like

792
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: so high bad. And I was like, I'm obviously it's

793
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: gonna be so high bad. It's like with sub design

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00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: within reach like bed there. Yeah, obviously was not like

795
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: so johnavan Adler Subscribe on Patreon dot com slash CBC

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Speaker 1: week for only five dollars a month. Segments for the

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00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: blind blind? How does she live? What does she wear?

799
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 1: What does she eat? What does she eat? Okay, let's

800
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: start with eating. Yeah, let's start with eating. I'm like, girl,

801
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: what are you eating? Um? She well, at the beginning,

802
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: she's really into like bread. Yeah, it's like it's very

803
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: like my cook is making bread and she I liked

804
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: what when she like talking about how she learns how

805
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: to tell her mom she wants ice cream for dinner

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00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: by doing like by being like birds cool ice cream,

807
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: ber bur bur ice cream cone. You know. I think

808
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: it was very food of the day. I mean she

809
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: was in the South. I feel like it was like

810
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: biscuit and yeah, a chicken day. She was giving chicken

811
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: and biscuits. She skipping in KFC in her childhood ears

812
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: and then she moves to Massachusetts and she's so lobster

813
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: role that it's maybe a little more like pot roast. Yeah,

814
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a pot roast. And because you're like

815
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: cooking is heating, you know, in that day, so you

816
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: always got to have something in the fire keep that warm.

817
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: I feel like she was so like walking along the

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00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: path and like pulling one little raspberry. Yeah no, because

819
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: it's like she doesn't want she's not she's not into

820
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,479
Speaker 1: the tumult of the masses in the city. She wants

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00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: to be in like a beautiful path. And because how

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00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: she grew up and is so like orchards and peaches

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00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: and the South, and she was like so into the

824
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: honeysuckle and like all the smells and tastes so right,

825
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: she loves suckle. Yeah, I think she has a bit

826
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: of a sweet She loves ice cream and peaches, and

827
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: I feel like she's sticking her tongue out on that

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00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: first frost if you will. Oh yeah, all of them

829
00:48:54,600 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: frost and peach. All right, what is she she wear again?

830
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: These kind of like gauzy gowns, but you know, long

831
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: like she is fam she is like a little cottage core. Yeah. Um,

832
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: it's high from you know, it's like it's almost but

833
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: it's still she's showing. It's not like she's covering herself.

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Speaker 1: And there's some parts are a little bit see through,

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00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, always a long sleeve though I think and

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00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 1: maybe that again was of the time of the time. Yeah,

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00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's like she's not talking about

838
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: fabrics so much. I think that like she probably is

839
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: into comfortable stuff, but I don't think that, yeah, because

840
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: that as you were saying, the whole blind thing, she's

841
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: not being like so judging people on their looks and

842
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: thinking she needs to present herself a certain way, although

843
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: she is very self conscious in this other way. But

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00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: then because like because the plagiars in scandal is so

845
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: painful to her, and she goes on about it for

846
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: pages and pages like this is the worst thing that

847
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 1: ever happened to me, because it's like I do feel

848
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 1: like she wants to come up as professional, my favorite Like, yes,

849
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: she professional dress. So maybe she is wearing like such

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00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: a three piece like vast blazer. Later on, well, when

851
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: she was part of you know, the early ASILs, you,

852
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: I feel like, but it was still like um modest. Yeah,

853
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: and she's still just like founding so many organizations and

854
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: talking and being an activist and speaker and like doing

855
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: her ted talks. Like in Philadelphia activist clothing, I'm seeing

856
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: a lot of like browns, olive greens. Yeah, um, not

857
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 1: like bright no bright reds, no bright reds. I don't know. Well,

858
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: I think she probably is wearing bright rats because she's

859
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: just like I'm like, I know that, like people will

860
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: like be drawn to me because I feel like she

861
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: has this sense of like other people's vision in a

862
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: weird way, maybe not interesting. Okay, I'm voting olives. You're

863
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: voting bright rats because I think of in Guys and Dolls,

864
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: the woman who's like the suffragett Um. That's guy Masterson

865
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: Courts and she's in this like all red outfit. So

866
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of my touchstone for I was like, is

867
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: she being an all red suffrage? Here's the problem every

868
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: photo of hers in black and white that never know, Okay,

869
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: how does she live? I feel like there's kind of

870
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: like it is a little bit like there's a bunch

871
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: of shit in her house. Like I feel like she's

872
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: got like a lot of teacups and mementos and like

873
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: piles of books. I think she's like, oh, I have

874
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: this really cool like old coin like on the wall,

875
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: and like more frameshit quilts, like it's like a full

876
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: store in there. Influenced her way. I feel like in

877
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: blind technology, like people are sending her new shit, you

878
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like she's getting new like brail

879
00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: magnifiers and different bos like a type prayer she has,

880
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: like all the latest brail tech is just like in

881
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: her like side cottage and she's going there. She's like,

882
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: oh I need to send her thank you. Let her

883
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: She's like, oh god, okay, this is like my closet

884
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: of like all stuff that sent to me. Miss Sullivan

885
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: is like we have to write letters to like thank

886
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: the like new brail people. This is a new like

887
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: mug that has brail on it. She's like a built

888
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: in magnifying glass, like tea steeper. That whole story where

889
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: she has like a bird and then the cat eats

890
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: the birds. Yeah she's a birdcake. Yeah she's being birdcake again. Yes,

891
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: all lives. That's where Linen's big buttons. Okay, you're right,

892
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: take away the red she's so, she's so like blush

893
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: colored ship. All right? Uh? Who are you in the um?

894
00:52:54,080 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: Are you? Missus Sullivan? Miss Sullivan has an extraordinary amount

895
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: of patience that I'm not sure if I possessed. Altho,

896
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: sometimes I can be a good teacher with kids, but

897
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a good teacher for like twenty minutes,

898
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: not for like seventeen years, right right. I guess I

899
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking because sometimes you have a younger

900
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: it was that your justification. But no, I don't think

901
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: you have the twenty year patients. I feel like you

902
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: would be like, oh no, like this has changed my life.

903
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm teaching this blind girl and that would be like, oh,

904
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: like no, I actually have to write an article, like

905
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: I can't keep on I kind of think I misses

906
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: like the woman who plagiarizes a little bit. I'm just

907
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: being like, who is this random girl who's like trying

908
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: to be such a disabled activist, who's plagiarizing me, and

909
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: now she's writing me so many apology letters and I'm

910
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: just like, she actually needs to like step off. She's

911
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: like obsessed with me, and it's weird that is you

912
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: what you're like posting in the Boston Herald, just being like,

913
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: oh wait, sidebar her fiance was a writer for the Herald.

914
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: But oh my god, icon actual icon um. I mean

915
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: obviously I'm Helen cs W blind Cape. I'm like feeling

916
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: the ocean, being like this feels so good. Yeah, you're

917
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: both water bugs, um on our bike path being like

918
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: I can't see the figures in front of me, but

919
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: this breeze feels damn good. And I hate math, so

920
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: oh my god. Never never adds. It's scary, actually spooky.

921
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: You are her like reincarnated Helen. Are you in there? Helen? Okay?

922
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: I you know what. I give this book three and

923
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: a half honeysuckle plants out of five. I wanted more

924
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: about her rise to fame. The writing is beautiful. She's

925
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: a really beautiful writer. Um, and it's and it moves

926
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: right along at a great clip. There's some really studying

927
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: passages in here. Um. Yeah, I would have liked just

928
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 1: even more like of her, I think her philosophy on life,

929
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: like there's some patches where you really get this perspective.

930
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: I would Yeah, it goes into this a little bit

931
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: like let me list my famous friends thing, which is

932
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: a little weird. And I do wonder, because she does

933
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: have other books, if that um gets into more of

934
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: her views and stuff. But yeah, I'm with you. I'm

935
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: a little I mean, I gotta ad minute and maybe

936
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: just coming off Kelly Rippo, which was which was so

937
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: of this time, and oh, you know Zaza Zoo. I

938
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: was a little bit bored at first, I will admit that.

939
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: So I'm going with three point two empty birdcages out

940
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: of five. But then some stuff I was so struck by,

941
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: and you know, I really just impressed by what, you know,

942
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: her learning. Yeah, and I know, I think ultimately I

943
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: was inspired and I came away with a renewed interest

944
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: in my own senses. And yeah, in touch, I was like,

945
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: let's you know, walking outside, I was like, let me,

946
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: feel the sun on me, let you know, and just

947
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: and just to like, you know, take a minute and

948
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: appreciate the marvel of the way that our brains work

949
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: and everything we take for granted, And what a gift

950
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: it is to be able to string words together and

951
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: understand what each other are saying and be able to

952
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: express yourself, And what an innate human desire it is

953
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: to be able to express yourself if you take so

954
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: much for granted. Yeah, and I mean back to the

955
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: visions thing. I always feel that, you know, when my

956
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: glasses come to a point where either they've broken or

957
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: get scratched and it's time for a new pair. But

958
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: the new pairs didn't come yet, and there's this week

959
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: in between of not seeing that well right and doing

960
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: my superpower right, Okay, and I get the glasses and

961
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: I say, I mean the modern technology. I'm like, I mean,

962
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: imagine if if I was in yeah, if I was

963
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: in medieval times, yeah, they would have been just like

964
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: you know what, Um, you're done, You're done. Yeah, put

965
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: you in the field. I think, yeah, I would have

966
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: been in the field. Um, But anyway, seeing as cool

967
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: and shout out to Lone's crafters, and the whole team

968
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: there um all right, well, another rip roar and Rollikin

969
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: episode Helen, I'm emmy. Yeah, I'm curious honestly to read

970
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: more of her writing. Even though I was a little

971
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: bit bored. She piqued your interest. It did kind of

972
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: more of that, you know, I want to know more

973
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: of the goals you know about her and this herald right, well,

974
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: good job, Helen, good job, Helen wake a good job

975
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: or as we say Massachusetts, do your job, do your job,

976
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: do your job, do your job, Helen. Um all right well.

977
00:57:53,040 --> 00:58:00,680
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979
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