1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:01,360 Speaker 1: A Walk. 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 2: When I wanted to get out, I sat on the 3 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 2: floor and put the headphones on because my mother always 4 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: told everybody, I don't know, she have. 5 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 3: Old people's she has old soul tastes. 6 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: Because I was young, there were no kids putting on 7 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 2: a headphones listening to Phyllis Hyman somewhere in my lifetime 8 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: and here's that rainy day, and then flipping over to 9 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: Chaka Khanda, this poorgy and best she has done, this album, 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: this collaborative thing, and then going to songs in the 11 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: key of life. 12 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of the Taking a Walk podcast 13 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: with your host Buzz Night. Buzz speaks with musicians so 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: all type, from new and rising stars to Indian Hall 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: of famers and everything in between. Today, Buzz speaks with 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 1: indie rock artist Danelia Cotton. She combines a bit of roots, 17 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: rock and country into her own special sound. So speak 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: about her passions, her trials, and her tribulations. Right now, 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: joined Danelia Cotton with Buzz Night on Taking a Walk. 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 4: Well, Danelia, thanks for being on Taking a Walk. I 21 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 4: want to start off with a quote here from our 22 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 4: friends at the w XPN in Philadelphia, great radio station. 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 4: Their quote about your work is with an equal emphasis 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 4: on rock, jazz, and soul and with roots and gospel. 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 4: New York based singer Danelia Cotton draws on a wide 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 4: range of influences, from led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 4: to Mayvis, Staples and Edit James. I love that quote. 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: Can you tell me first, starting with led Zeppelin what 29 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 4: they mean to you in terms of influence, and then 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 4: will work our way through those. 31 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: Artists I mean to me, I would say groups like 32 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: led Zeppelin and even Rolling Stones. 33 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: It's rock to me, they sort. 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,919 Speaker 2: Of have other elements in there they allowed They both 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: I know for sure, the Rolling Stone and I believe 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: Zeppelin as well. They all have this heavy blues influenced 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: They all loved the blues grades and really drew from that, 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: and so I can hear that in their music, which is, 39 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: you know, there are a lot of genres in existence 40 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: that pull from other genres, rock being one of them. 41 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: Country to pulls from that blues aspect, but you know, 42 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: they both pull from that. But then they have the 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: rock aspect which sort of takes blues to this whole 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: other level that I like, which is a little bit 45 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: more wild and uncontained, where blues is what it is, 46 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: and it's got this kind of thing rock sort of 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: it's like it blows it out on this major scale, 48 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: but still is telling a story. 49 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 3: It's the way that it's executed. It's the best way 50 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 3: to put it. 51 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: And I think Zeppelin they're just you can get lost in, 52 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: you know, some of what they do, some of the 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: more bluesier numbers and not just hey hey may hey 54 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: maybe no may you know, there's that too, but there's 55 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: just a lot. There was a lot more when I 56 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: discovered both of those groups because I think I in 57 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: the beginning, my brother was playing more like sort of 58 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: bombastic rock like ac DC, which immediately, as I've said 59 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: in a lot of interviews, sounded the way that I felt, 60 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: you know, being you know, one of the only black 61 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: kids in my class. It just it sounded like sort 62 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: of my anguish and my anger and my whatever. But 63 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: when I first heard Zeppelin and or like when I 64 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: heard Ruby Tuesday, you know, Rolling Stones. It's funny because 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: a lot of people would not think of Mick Jaggers 66 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: as this great vocalist because they think of it more unatechnical. 67 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: They think of things like technically, he doesn't know how 68 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: many octaves does he have. He can't do this or that. 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: And to me, the great singers are the ones that 70 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: transport you. And if you want to get stinky about it, 71 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: you can say that Joe Cocker has one octave. But 72 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: I saw him live in Colorado. 73 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: I remember kem. 74 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: O had got off and we were all like yeah, yeah, 75 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: and then he comes on. He's just like whatever, And 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: I never sat down. 77 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 3: I never sat down. 78 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: It was like he was going to explode like his person. 79 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: I had never seen anything like it. 80 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: I couldn't believe that. 81 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: I didn't sit down the entire performance. It was extraordinary. 82 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: And that's sort of where I learned that that's what 83 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: it's about. It isn't It's about how they transport, how 84 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: they move you, and they can do that with one octave. 85 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: They can do it with one note. It's the way 86 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: they tell a story. 87 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: It's I don't know, it's sort of the rock secret 88 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 2: of rock gods. 89 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 3: But it works. 90 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: And it makes you understand the real artistry of being 91 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: a performer. So that's kind of an answer. 92 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 4: That's a great answer. Now there's another Philadelphia related quote 93 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 4: from the Philadelphia Daily News, and they also equate you 94 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 4: and your work to Let It Bleed era Rolling Stones, 95 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 4: which is certainly one of the greatest Holy Grail albums 96 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 4: of all time. How does that make you feel when 97 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,119 Speaker 4: someone writes about you that way? 98 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: You know, I was an actress before I went to 99 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: I was in performing arts high school. I went to 100 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: Bennington and theater was my major. And we would always 101 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: make a rule like, don't ever read a critique or 102 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: a review because it'll just get in your head and 103 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: it's just one person's opinion. 104 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: You know. 105 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: Sometimes I hear that and I don't know. I don't 106 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: I take it that that is. You know, whoever that 107 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: author I mean or writer was, you know, that's their perspective. 108 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: I'm not going to lie and say it's not. 109 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: That. 110 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 3: It's not. 111 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 2: I don't take it as a compliment. But then I 112 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: realize that they can actually hear what I listen to. 113 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: You can really hear the. 114 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: Influences in what I do, which most of the time 115 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: you can. And so I give the I give sort 116 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 2: of the nod back to those greats because they're just 117 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: coming through me. I'm just like next generation taking that in, 118 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: you know, but it's good. But I try not to 119 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: let that influence too much. What I do, you know, 120 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: but it is. 121 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 3: But it's good. They're hearing what actually influenced you. So 122 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 3: there you go. 123 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 4: So on the day we're recording this, I'm able to 124 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 4: say happy birthday, Danelia to you, and good health as well, 125 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 4: which is important to wish you so close your eyes. 126 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 4: And if you were to get this birthday gift of 127 00:06:54,640 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 4: a dream collaboration with somebody living or dead, who would 128 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: it be? 129 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 2: I think I would have said Prince for a long time, 130 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: and I probably it would have been a tie between 131 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: like a year ago, between like Prince and David Bowie. 132 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: But now I'm just feeling the sly sly because when 133 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: I go in there, I realize, like, that's what that 134 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: probably was Prince's person that he listened to. 135 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: Like whoa. 136 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: It's right down to everything that he did, like his 137 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: greatest hits, to his version of k Sara Sarah, just 138 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: the way he does the background vocals, and then to 139 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: find out that he's kind of laying those all down 140 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: like all of those recording it's just him doing everything. 141 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: I think he was other level and people have yet 142 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: to still understand the greatness of that. 143 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: And he is alive. 144 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 2: But that right now, that's where I go like I get, 145 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, how did I just like make that misstep? 146 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: Utter genius? Genius. 147 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you were a guest on our companion podcast which 148 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 4: is called Music Saved Me hosted by Lynn Hoffman, and 149 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: it was a great episode, and I want you to 150 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 4: share a little bit on your beliefs on how powerful 151 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 4: in your life for your challenges and struggles that music 152 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 4: has been. 153 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: I think. 154 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I always reference the fact that biblically, it 155 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: even for those who are religious, it's like considered, you know, 156 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: one of the big gifts to get. But it doesn't 157 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: make people better or worse for carrying that torch, because 158 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: it's also a huge responsibility if you take it that way, 159 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: if you understand the power of what music can do. 160 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: But for me, you know, I had a lot of trauma, 161 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: and had I not had a place to recycle that pain, 162 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: I don't think that I would have made it. 163 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: There's just no. 164 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: Way to have music as that outlet, to be able 165 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: to put it somewhere and then turn it into something 166 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: that somebody else can use. And I have to say, 167 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 2: the biggest compliments are when somebody comes up and tells 168 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: me I couldn't paint for four years and I heard 169 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: this song and I painted I'll walk away, and then 170 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: I get Then I have a moment because something that 171 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: I wrote during a moment where it was intense allowed 172 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: somebody else to free themselves of something. 173 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 3: So, I mean the beauty of. 174 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: Music is that you get to recycle it into something 175 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: that is that brings another person joy, that unblocks somebody, 176 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: that lets somebody know they are not alone and what 177 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 2: they feel and where they are in life. 178 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 3: And so for me, it did it. 179 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: I mean anything I wrote was doing that for me 180 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: out the gate and then I put it out there, 181 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: And if it did that for anybody else, then I'm 182 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: humbled that it did for me. Music always when I 183 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: cried for a long time, I would put on Tom 184 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: Wait's Tom Troubadour's Blues Is. I think people would be like, 185 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: really you Tom, Like yeah, that was like my go 186 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: to cry song. I don't know what it was about 187 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: that soldier. I don't need to know. It's just Tom 188 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: Waits in that moment. It was the orchestration of that 189 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: song that and my weird eclectic taste led me to there, 190 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 2: and I was like, WHOA. So that was my cry 191 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: song for like two decades. So I think music just 192 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: it's healing, it's freeing, it's it has so much power. 193 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: And for those who feel alone like that, they find 194 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: themselves in an artist or in a a in a song. 195 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: It's just it's an. 196 00:10:55,160 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: Incredibly powerful tool. People should not underest to make that 197 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: good or bad. It's an incredibly powerful tool. And for 198 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: me it really was. It helped me get up and out. 199 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: I mean when I wanted to get out, I sat 200 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 2: on the floor and put the headphones on. Because my 201 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: mother always told everybody, I don't know, she have old 202 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: people's she has old soul tastes. Because I was young, 203 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: there were no kids putting on the headphones listening to 204 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: Phyllis Hyman somewhere in my lifetime and here's that rainy day, 205 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: and then flipping over to Chaka Khan did this Poorgy 206 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: and best she was done, this album, this collaborative thing, 207 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: and then going to songs in the Key of Life. 208 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: But then my brother upstairs had Zeppelin and Foreigner and 209 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: Todd Runggren and my aunt down the streets having Dan 210 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: Fogelberg that out of mine is the playground for the devil. 211 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 3: Do you won't again? 212 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: There was so much. People are like you were around 213 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: that much. I was like, that's how diverse. 214 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: You know. 215 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: My family's so musically like inclined. It's such a big 216 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: part from my family. But nobody liked the same thing. 217 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: So I was luck I was. I felt privileged, and 218 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: that part of why I'm the way I am is 219 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 2: because it was all around me and it was different, 220 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: and so I wasn't taught like this is this good 221 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: genre to listen to. I was just the doors were 222 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: open and I would walk in and be like, oh, 223 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: that's cool. I mean, I remember when Bing Crosby died 224 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 2: because I used to watch old movies because everybody wanted 225 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: to go outside and those hands, Christian Anderson, I came 226 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: with Danny k and then you know, Bing Crosby died. 227 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 3: I cried. 228 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: Phillis Hymon died. I pulled my car over on the 229 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: side of the road and I cried. They were like 230 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: people that got me through my childhood, and they were 231 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: like not of my generation. Nobody was listening to that stuff, 232 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: but for me. I mean, there was pain in Philis 233 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 2: Hymon's voice, so I should have known she would have 234 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: gone out. 235 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: She you know, she had a drug overdoise. 236 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 2: But I heard that pain right out the gate, and 237 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: that's what connected me to you know her. But you know, 238 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 2: some music's really substantial for me in so many ways, 239 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: in being able to express my pain, being able to 240 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: recycle it. 241 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 3: It's just it's a huge. It's huge. It's a big one. 242 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 4: So your grandmother, I believe, is one hundred and three 243 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 4: years old. Do I have that correct? 244 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: Yes, you need to interview. I did an interview and 245 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: I taped it of her. It's extraordinary to speak to 246 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 2: somebody you. 247 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 3: Just want to. 248 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: I had like ninety questions, like what do you think 249 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: of the world? Then, I mean her what she's seen. 250 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: She's like, y'all took steps forward, now you're taking steps back. 251 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 3: I don't understand, you. 252 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: Know, Like it's the way she sees the world and 253 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: how her loss of faith based on sort of events 254 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 2: that are happening around it's incredible. 255 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's alive and there she reads like three books, 256 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: three to. 257 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: Four books, if not more a week. That's how she 258 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,599 Speaker 2: gets through her time. That's probably why she's so like 259 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: cogn she's so her cognitive abilities probably past some people 260 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: that are younger because she's just always feeding her. 261 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 3: You know, feeding well you answer. 262 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 4: You answered what I was going to ask. But I 263 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 4: have a follow up to what I didn't ask, which is, 264 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 4: you have a lovely, wonderful laugh. And I'm a fan 265 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 4: of laughs. You could probably guess that I often judge people. 266 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 4: Either I shouldn't, but I often judge people by their 267 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 4: laugh or their non laughter. Basically, So did you get 268 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 4: that joy and laughter part of your persona from your 269 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 4: grandmother or from who? 270 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. 271 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: My mother always said that I had a perverted laugh 272 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: and I used to, you know, snort a little bit. 273 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: And then yesterday, you know, my other half is a 274 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: criminal defense attorney and he's always in court. 275 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: He's a great litigator. 276 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: But he said, you know, sometimes at the end of 277 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: your sentences you laugh as if it's a tick. 278 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 3: I was like, are you trying to point out something? 279 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: You know? 280 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: And I realize I do. He said, you do two things. 281 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: You never stop humming, and when you were gone, our 282 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: daughter just hums. Now the doormen are like, if she 283 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: not humming, Like if I'm not humming. 284 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 3: They're like, are you okay? Because they think I'm happy? 285 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 3: But I do laugh. 286 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: I don't you know, if people say why are you? 287 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: You know, how do you stay young? I was like, 288 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: I don't hold onto things. Holding onto things just destroys 289 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: you inside. Like at certain points you just have to 290 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: forgive people. None of us are perfect, which is I 291 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: don't know anybody that never made a misstep, and forgiving 292 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: somebody really means, like, as they say, putting it as 293 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: far as the east is from the west. Some people 294 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: call me foolish because I let the same people walk 295 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: over me. But I don't hold it in my body 296 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: and I don't allow it to affect my health or. 297 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: My mental health. 298 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: You just kind of have to get to a point 299 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: where sometimes things aren't about you. They're just not about you. 300 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: But you know humans are so to me. Life is 301 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: sort of figuring out the balance of the ego. 302 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: And where that is. And you know, we're all you know, a. 303 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: Lot of us are like it's I me, I me, 304 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: and everything we equate it back to us, and sometimes 305 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with us. So you just 306 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: walk on because it wasn't about you. You just happen 307 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 2: to be there and it got thrown at you. But 308 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: if you carry that with you, it just it does 309 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: nothing but weigh you down. And then it physically can 310 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: cause illnesses. You know, many people believe that. 311 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: So I don't know. I just I choose to figure out. 312 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: If I can't figure out, I just let it go 313 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 3: because sometimes it just has nothing to do with you. 314 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned the snorting. I have to just take 315 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 4: a sidebar here. I managed the radio station in Columbus, 316 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 4: Ohio a few years ago and I interviewed for a 317 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 4: news position a woman named Gail Hogan, and Gail snorted 318 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: as we were having lunch with her laughter, and I stopped. 319 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 4: I went, Gail, you're hired. The snort got you hired? 320 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: O great? Yeah? So yeah, yeah. 321 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 4: So how does running help you to be a better musician? 322 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like today I'm due for like 323 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 2: a fifteen sixteen miler and I'm going to probably do 324 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: it tomorrow because I just woke up late from Nashville. 325 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: Oh god. 326 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: It not only clears my mind like I can write 327 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: a song during it, but true fact, when I ran 328 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 2: my first, like first or second seventeen mile run for 329 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: one of my first marathons, on comes Neil Young. 330 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 3: Oh man, take a look at you live. You're a 331 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 3: And I was not a Neil Young fan. I like 332 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 3: me on It's Someoneerful and I listened. I'm just like listening, 333 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 3: and then I got caught in the story and I 334 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: was like, oh, so you a lot like your dad, 335 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 3: but you don't really want to be like you'd like 336 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 3: I was in. And then I was like, oh my god, 337 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 3: what mile am I at? And that was before the 338 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 3: Apple I watched. I was like, shit, I ran past 339 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: the distance I was supposed to. That's when I found 340 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: him and it was over, you know. And then in. 341 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: Philadelphia, I thought his song should have won that that 342 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: that song at. 343 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 3: The end, I was like, what that should have won? 344 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 3: I love you, Bruce, but that was genius. 345 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 2: So you know, I discover you know, even the OJ's 346 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 2: for the love of mon because it's don't I go 347 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 2: for beats and so that one has boom, you know, 348 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: that bassline. It's like But then I realized that I'm 349 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 2: I've heard that song. 350 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: But then I was like, god, it's dark. Some people 351 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: like I finally heard that song. 352 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 5: The way he sang it was like is mad. It 353 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 5: make us all crazy? We steal, we lose our minds, 354 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 5: we just want it. They're just And then I'm out 355 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 5: of me because at the end of the day. 356 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: In a performance, you hope you can transport your audience 357 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: for forty five minutes or fifteen minutes or whatever where 358 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: they're not thinking about themselves, so they can like exit 359 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 2: the phone and life and you just give them freedom 360 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: for a little bit to jump into something else. When 361 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: I'm running, I'm in that to forget that my feet 362 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: have to go another you know, thirteen miles, So I 363 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: really listen to music in a different way. 364 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: But I also when my phone. 365 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: Has died, I write I'd come back, and I don't 366 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: know the endorphins, I can deal with everything. 367 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 3: You know. 368 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: That I'm coming home, and you know, my other half 369 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 2: is fighting mantle celemphoma, and I hope you know, there's 370 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: many people that have lived with it quite a long time, 371 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: but it was a hit for us. 372 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 3: When we found out. 373 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 2: And you know, I have a six year old and 374 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: I just you know, I want to come in and be. 375 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 3: Like for her and just you know. 376 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: Let her have that beautiful childhood we're all supposed to 377 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 2: get don't always get. And you know, the running allows 378 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: me to come back and just breathe in a different way. 379 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 2: Just there's a calmness and when I don't do it, 380 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 2: there's a huge difference. And I think for a lot 381 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: of people sometimes who are mentally when there's you know, 382 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: slight chemical imbalances, activity like that can really help you 383 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: stay and balance in a natural way. 384 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: And so for me, it's just. 385 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: I get to double hit, I get to hear all 386 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: this music and I listen to it differently, and then 387 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: I come back and I'm more patient. It's just it 388 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: really helps me balance out. It's just as a person. 389 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: And I've run pretty much my whole life from the 390 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: moment I really started in school. I did it in college, 391 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: even at Bennington, even though they had no real sports. 392 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: I'd run around the campus, you know. When I was 393 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 2: in London, I found some paths. 394 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 3: Where I was. It's just for me. It's a real 395 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: it's a real coping too. 396 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 4: Talk about your Charlie Pride project, the genesis of it, 397 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 4: and why it's important for people to know about it. 398 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: Well, it was my grandmother's album. I thought it was 399 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: my grandfather's and I did the project because there was 400 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: so I didn't realize at the beginning. But there's similarities 401 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: between the two men. They were both black men who 402 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: chose to Charlie Pride, went into country music where there 403 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of black singers at that time. My 404 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: grandfather chose a small town that basically, by my album, 405 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 2: a small white town in Jersey, and he chose to 406 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: buy land there. He wasn't thinking like, oh, I'm going 407 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: to be in the minority. He found that plot of 408 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 2: land and that's where he wanted to raise his family. 409 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 2: I think they both did so without thinking about the 410 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 2: color issue. 411 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 3: I think they both were. 412 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: Graceful, elegant men, and I always say that sort of 413 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: regal qualities like that that doesn't come for money, that's 414 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 2: something that's inherent in a person. I think they both 415 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: made changes and gained the respect in both scenarios because 416 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: it wasn't They weren't doing it to make a statement. 417 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: They were doing it because it's where they wanted to be. 418 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 2: And they happened to both be darker than I am 419 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 2: at a time when you know, it was a stark difference. 420 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: When I realized that sort of the correlation there, I 421 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: was like, Wow, that's it's deep. And then the more 422 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: I got into the music, I mean, right now there's 423 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: so many, you know, a lot of things the newer 424 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 2: generations are coming up with it's like you can make 425 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: music without an instrument. 426 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 3: You can sample a lot of things, and the stories 427 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 3: are different. 428 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 2: I felt like the more that I got into those stories, 429 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: it wasn't a person writing so much about themselves. Like 430 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: even in Kissing Angels, he's like some people it was 431 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: writing about. He was writing about that person's others perception 432 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: of him and his happiness. And he was like, because 433 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 2: you know, I have this, and but at at A 434 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 2: And even when they wrote about love, it wasn't always 435 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: from the perspective of you hurt me, but at I 436 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 2: I me it sort of brought the other person in. 437 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 2: There was just and they were just stories. They were 438 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 2: real stories, and it was just a different thing. And 439 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 2: I didn't I discovered that along the way too. I 440 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 2: didn't go in knowing that I would lie if I 441 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: said that. 442 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 3: I figured it out. 443 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 2: And then the more one of the reviewers, you know, 444 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: I think gold mean gold Mine, Kurt said to me, 445 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: can you listen to this B side? And I was 446 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 2: like wow, And it was a B side of Charlie 447 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: Pride's where basically in the song he was saying to 448 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 2: a lover that probably was going to break up with him, like, hey, 449 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: if you want to talk about it, you know what's 450 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: going on. You could talk to me, but I know 451 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: you might leave me. And it's just the whole perspective 452 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: was just something that isn't written about because it's not 453 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: about self and we're you know, everything today brings everybody 454 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 2: back to here. I just there was just a lot 455 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: of things, and it's it's a genre that remains intact 456 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: with people singing, telling stories, playing real instruments, and that 457 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: generally across the board. That's not to say that, you know, 458 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: sort of as it grows that, you know, some other 459 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: things come into play. But I don't think country is 460 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 2: ever going to lose that. I really don't. And I 461 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 2: think that that's beautiful thing. And I think it speaks 462 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: to the common man more than probably any other genre. 463 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 3: And that's deep. It's not talking. 464 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: About what you have and your car and your you know, 465 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: country speaks to you know, if you want to say 466 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 2: middle class, it might sometimes even go down. It speaks 467 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 2: to every man. It doesn't leave any man out, and 468 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 2: it sort of speaks generally to the guy the lowest 469 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: on the totem pole first. And that's a beautiful thing too. 470 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many things. 471 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 2: That I was that I discovered that we're pretty awesome. 472 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: And it's good. 473 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 2: I mean, in life, you want to learn new things 474 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: and our perceptions. I think it's great when you're disproven 475 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, I thought, oh really, you know, 476 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: it's a good thing. So that's I think this project, 477 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: you know, hopefully will bring some people to a genre 478 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 2: that they didn't listen to. It'll make them look up 479 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: a man who really should have been more celebrated, who 480 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 2: like next to Elvis, sold the most albums on RCA, 481 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: was the first black ever in the you know Greynold operation. 482 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: I mean, like he came in and he was quiet 483 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: and he just did it. He didn't make an announcement. 484 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: But now that he's passed, we can be loud about. 485 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 3: What he did. 486 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 2: And I hope that he does get his due because 487 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: it's it's well deserved. 488 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 4: I love how you're celebrating the present, but you're celebrating 489 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 4: history and you celebrate multiple styles and genres. Venelia Cotton, 490 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 4: Happy birthday once again, Thanks and thank you for being 491 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 4: on Taking a Walk and continued success. 492 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thank you, thank you, thanks. 493 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 494 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 495 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 496 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 497 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: and wherever you get your podcasts.