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Speaker 1: it's affiliates, or sponsors. This is True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker and I'm here

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong and Body move In and the boys.

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Speaker 2: We have Taha, Sam and Adam. We are all together tonight.

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Speaker 2: Happy Monday, everyone.

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Speaker 3: We made it.

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Speaker 2: We made it to Monday. The gang is back together.

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Speaker 2: Mister gang is back together. Listen, court we hope you

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Speaker 2: had a good time, but we always miss you here all.

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Speaker 4: I had a great time and missed you so all around,

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Speaker 4: but glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you look down when you said that,

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Speaker 2: did you really miss us? I'd been be honest a

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Speaker 2: lot about nonverbal cues and you looked down as you

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Speaker 2: said that.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I had some pretty good Italian food last night.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie so worth it.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we have this idea in our head

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Speaker 2: of a couple of things. One is that Courtney's going

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Speaker 2: to cook for us once a week and that we're

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Speaker 2: all going to play along.

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Speaker 3: Because she's actually a really good cook.

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Speaker 2: And cooked for me for a while when we shared

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Speaker 2: her all this, and it's going to keep us all

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Speaker 2: in line because listen, it's almost sweat a weapon.

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Speaker 3: We're getting closer and closer.

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Speaker 2: And then because we're all talking so late, we're going

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Speaker 2: to sort of put together this like make under how

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Speaker 2: has any suggestions or tips, we want to hear them,

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Speaker 2: because you know, I got an avocado mask with my

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Speaker 2: name written all over it. And the collagen ones, oh,

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Speaker 2: the collagen ones sound great.

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Speaker 3: See pretty.

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Speaker 2: The tips are flowing in and we have an internal

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Speaker 2: stimulated or disregulated, listen, you've come to the right place,

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Speaker 2: because we have a stacked night of headlines. It is Monday,

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Speaker 2: October twentieth, and Prince Andrew again in the hot seat.

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Speaker 2: He has officially relinquished his title. And this all on

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Speaker 2: the heels of some of the excerpts that have been

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Speaker 2: released in Virginia Goufray's upcoming memoir set to drop tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: And if you're not playing along, Virginia Gufray is, you know,

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Speaker 2: kind of the main victim who was sort of at

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Speaker 2: the front of a lot of the allegations against Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 2: the now deceased financier and sex trafficker, as well as

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Speaker 2: Gailane Maxwell, who is also being brought back into the

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Speaker 2: conversation in a very meaningful way. So we're going to

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Speaker 2: unpack quite a bit of that tonight and we want

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Speaker 2: to hear from you. So if you have any thoughts

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Speaker 2: on it, jump in eight eight eight three one crime.

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Speaker 2: Also this like heist at the Loof in Paris under

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Speaker 2: seven minutes. You know, we're talking jewels that are considered priceless.

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Speaker 2: How do you even sell those jewels at any point

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Speaker 2: because everyone's looking for said diamond or amethyst or whatever

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Speaker 2: it possible that they pulled that off in pure daylight? Also,

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Speaker 2: there were tragically, tragically, tragically, human remains found at an

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Speaker 2: twenty three year old Kata Scott. So we're going to

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Speaker 2: And also there's new information in the David case. We've

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Speaker 2: we're going to unpack that and so much more. But again,

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Speaker 4: Well, we should begin in the UK Prince Andrew he

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Speaker 4: Alleged that she was sexually abused by Prince Andrew when

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Speaker 4: He has consistently denied it, and three years ago, in

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Speaker 3: He did not admit liability.

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Speaker 4: But again, this memoir is really reigniting public and institutional

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Speaker 4: pressure on the prince and the monarchy infrastounding. Yeah, it's astounding,

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Speaker 4: It's astounding. For Gufray's family, they actually they released a

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Speaker 3: What do we make of this? I mean, think about this.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the largest pushes potentially in the

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Speaker 2: But for this needle to move is it's an earthquake. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: And this also applies to Sarah Ferguson, his now ex wife,

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Speaker 2: We kind of woke up for the weddings. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I watched Princess Diana's wedding. I watched Megan Markle's wedding.

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Speaker 2: in some way, honestly. So something like this to really

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Speaker 2: It's a very big deal in fact, and I think

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Speaker 2: And at that point, allegedly according to her, she was

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Speaker 3: Again?

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Speaker 2: You know, these are very high profile people who who

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Speaker 2: of those excerpts, you know, they're pretty astounding, Boddy, you

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Speaker 3: The one that I read said that, you know, she.

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Speaker 6: Was at the island and Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 6: were there with her with eight other young girls, and

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Speaker 3: Tell her what was going on. It's very very weird.

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Speaker 6: But she thinks that she was pregnant, is what she thinks,

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Speaker 3: It's really sad.

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Speaker 4: These allegations are horrible beyond I have to tell you

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Speaker 4: one thing. Amidst all of the graphic. There's allegations of

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Speaker 4: And that's not a euphemism for something sexual. That's literally

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Speaker 3: And that feels diabolical to me.

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Speaker 6: There was another interesting one, and it's about It wasn't

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Speaker 3: It's about Prince Andrew.

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Speaker 6: So in two thousand and six he did he had

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Speaker 6: a white party and a yacht in Saint Tropez and

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Speaker 6: That year later she turned eighteen, and guess who was

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein, The.

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Speaker 2: Tentacles are hard to deny. And by the way, if

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Speaker 3: I'm Steph.

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Speaker 2: I'm here with Courtney and body and we are talking

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Speaker 2: about all things Epstein and Prince Andrew and the recent

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Speaker 2: you know, reveal that he's no longer having the same

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Speaker 2: titles that he once did, and norwal Fergie as well.

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Speaker 3: That also affects their two children. And listen, these are

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Speaker 3: two children, you know, the daughters who have nothing to

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Speaker 2: This is family, right, So these are real lines in

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Speaker 2: the sand at a very specific time in the world.

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Speaker 2: And that's a big deal. It's a really big deal

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Speaker 2: to be able to pull that off. And on the

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Speaker 3: right here, True Grimes.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 3: We have the band back together. And listen.

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Speaker 2: Even though everybody holds down the fort so nicely, it's

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Speaker 2: always great when it's just us kids, just us chickens,

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Speaker 7: Oh No, I was raising my hands in the air

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Speaker 2: Hi y'all.

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Speaker 8: I've been listening to your commentary on the Celestree, this

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Speaker 6: Agree brilliantly, totally dead off in fact stuff that's what

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Speaker 2: If he had nothing to do with this, then his

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Speaker 2: not well. How many documentaries are things that we've seen

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Speaker 2: So I have a sneaking suspicion that world tour ended.

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Speaker 2: it's just death by association.

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Speaker 3: At this point, he has not been named a suspect.

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Speaker 2: So if that's the case, and he's on the hook

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Speaker 2: He's a young man at the beginning of his career.

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Speaker 4: Wow, and also maybe the end, depending upon how this

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Speaker 3: Which would be a huge.

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Speaker 2: Chie A body in your vehicle like looking compares to

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Speaker 4: Suggesting, no, not at all. I'm just it was to

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Speaker 6: Route, because even though he might not be responsible for

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Speaker 2: We're seeing this even with Prince Andrew, right, So even

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there is a new update.

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Speaker 6: So the private investigator that was hired by the landlord

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Speaker 6: Stephen Fisher. We've talked about him numerous times. He may

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Speaker 6: All right, So as you remember Celeste Reevas Hernandez, she

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Speaker 6: We need to bind the fifteen year old vocabulary from

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Speaker 6: At fourteen, she never saw fifteen, just very her breath away,

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Speaker 6: Possibly because there's no record of it. It's like proving

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Speaker 6: They never took them. What yeeshire, It's very bizarre. It's

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Speaker 6: it's insane. So they are in his possession and they

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Speaker 3: We don't know yet.

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Speaker 6: The video surveillance may identify a person who drove the

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Speaker 3: We're no it was.

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Speaker 2: Corney and I are like, we're all leaning in, so

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Speaker 3: What are we going to do here?

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Speaker 2: Something's going to give. Yeah, I need some details. So

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Speaker 2: well respected by the way, not free to do their

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Speaker 2: own investigation, which, according to the News Now is pretty

441
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Speaker 2: telling that he's suggesting that this car has been moved

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Speaker 2: around over the weeks. Maybe this Tesla technology was was

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Speaker 2: it dismantled.

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Speaker 3: It's a Tesla, isn't it supposed to know everything in

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Speaker 3: the world. It's the I thought it.

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Speaker 6: But there's a ten to fourteen daycap of unaccounted movement

447
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Speaker 6: where the vehicle may have been cleaned, relocated, or tampered with.

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Speaker 6: We don't know, So we don't know what the tech

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Speaker 6: where the Tesla was during this ten to fourteen day period.

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Speaker 6: And you know, they're asking for anybody if you have

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Speaker 6: video surveillance of that area during you know, from July

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Speaker 6: twenty ninth to September third, let's say, because that's when

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Speaker 6: the first ticket was received at the Tesla, to please

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Speaker 6: let authorities know.

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Speaker 7: That's the ask that's asked.

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Speaker 6: But I can tell you that, you know, Steve said

457
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Speaker 6: he did an interview with Ashley Banfield, and he said

458
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Speaker 6: that you can see the clothing of the driver and

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Speaker 6: it matches the same clothing of a friend of David's

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Speaker 6: that he can verify via Instagram, you know, or you know,

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Speaker 6: basically social media posts and whatnot that David had made

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Speaker 6: in the past. And by the way, this friend that

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Speaker 6: he that listen, it's an unspoken secret of you know,

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to say the person's name, but this

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Speaker 6: sure him and David don't follow each other on social media,

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Speaker 6: and they've wiped each other clean.

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Speaker 7: You see.

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Speaker 10: I always there's a friend or someone else's setting him up.

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Speaker 7: I've always felt like this is a whole way because

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Speaker 7: it's too.

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Speaker 10: In the nose, like you, like we said that it's

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Speaker 10: too videos, right, Yeah, there's something fish about.

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Speaker 2: So somebody potentially would have had access to David's vehicle

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Speaker 2: after David the Pop Stars departure for his World.

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Speaker 3: No, he was potential is in LA at the time.

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Speaker 3: This is July. He didn't go on to August July

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Speaker 3: twenty ninth.

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Speaker 2: And can we just pull the phone records of this

479
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Speaker 2: man who's in this very elaborate fit, So chances are

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Speaker 2: we're pulling his social blueprint and if you will and

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Speaker 2: can see who's he who is he communicating with?

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Speaker 3: I have a a fourteen year.

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Speaker 2: Old lifeless body in my hands. What do I do

484
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Speaker 2: right in the front crazy in front of my house?

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Speaker 2: Seems so lame to say it in front of my house,

486
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: like it's crazy. Not only is it in my cub

487
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Speaker 2: but it's in front of my house right Like it's

488
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Speaker 2: like it's outside my front door. So yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: it's a little too on the nose, but we're gonna.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna stand by and see. But if you do

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Speaker 2: have you know, if you live in the area, please

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Speaker 2: reach out to LAPD because you might have critical information.

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Speaker 6: That's the update on David. Yeah, we're gonna listen if

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00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 6: you want to. If you want to know more, please

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Speaker 6: follow Steve on Twitter. You can find them at s

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Speaker 6: F Underscore Investigates. Yeah, he comes really regarded.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a fine Yeah, and this is true crime tonight.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully we as wellcome highly regarded. We're on iHeartRadio. I'm

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Speaker 4: Courtney Ar'mstrong here with the Body Movement and Stephanie Laidecker

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Speaker 4: and we've been talking about updates in the Celeste Revas case,

501
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 4: who she, of course, was found in the front trunk

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Speaker 4: of pop star David's tesla. What do you think is

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Speaker 4: going on eighty eight three one crime? Because elements of

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00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: the crime appear on their nose to mirror stuff that

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Speaker 4: has literally played out in David's pre published videos. Do

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Speaker 4: you think that this is some kind of a setup?

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Speaker 3: Do you like?

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Speaker 4: No, it's all open questions at this point, because again,

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Speaker 4: this isn't even a homicide.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, what do you think? Eight? You're worth noting.

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Speaker 6: It is worth noting that, you know, the La County

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Speaker 6: Medical Examiner has not determined a manner or they haven't publicized, right,

513
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Speaker 6: the manner and cause of death.

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Speaker 3: He is not named a suspect.

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Speaker 6: Right, it's worn so long I did not have the

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Speaker 6: tele technology reports back. If you think about it, it

517
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Speaker 6: hasn't been that long yet, it's like it's been a

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Speaker 6: million years.

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Speaker 3: It feels like a million years just happened.

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Speaker 7: Talking about it a bit.

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Speaker 3: But she was discovered September eighth.

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Speaker 6: It's you know, it's it's October twentieth, so what is

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Speaker 6: that six weeks so all the time. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 6: but it is worth mentioning he you know, he is

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Speaker 6: not he is not currently mentioned and does a suspect

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Speaker 6: that publicly that we know of, we you know, we

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Speaker 6: don't know anything about that yet, Stephane.

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Speaker 2: I had my hand up only because I feel like

529
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Speaker 2: we didn't get to it. And even in the last

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Speaker 2: first of all, to Celeste family, our hearts are so

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Speaker 2: with them. This must be so incredibly, unbelievably difficult.

532
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Speaker 3: Do they just want answers? So that's number one.

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Speaker 2: And also going even back to this trafficking and Virginia Goufrey,

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Speaker 2: you know, we were hunting today a little bit for

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Speaker 2: someplace for like a hotline, like God forbid, anybody in

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Speaker 2: the sound of our voices right now is in a

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Speaker 2: situation where they feel as though they can't speak out.

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Speaker 2: My mom actually flagged this to me yesterday morning because

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00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: she was, you know, just thinking, like, listen, if you're

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Speaker 2: being trafficked, or if you're in a situation like perhaps allegedly,

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Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly Virginia Goofrey was with Epstein et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Who do you call? Where do you go?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: You so?

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Speaker 11: One?

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Speaker 4: One place you can go is the National Human Trafficking Hotline.

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Speaker 4: It is at eight eight eight three seven three seven

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Speaker 4: eight eight eight say it again eight eight eight three

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Speaker 4: seven three seven eight eight eight. It is open twenty

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Speaker 4: four hours a day, seven days a week. It is

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Speaker 4: in more than two hundred languages.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. All calls are confidential.

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Speaker 4: They are answered by live and highly trained anti trafficking

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Speaker 4: hotline Advocatesty Armstrong. So that is where to go and listen.

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Speaker 2: We're all kind of switching gears right now. I've taken

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Speaker 2: off my weighted vest. Courtney's put on her weighted vest

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Speaker 2: and body is just pulling off some eyelashes and is

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Speaker 2: wearing like the cutest bow that matches.

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Speaker 3: Her shirt right now. It's so this is an fyi.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the gentleman behind the bard Taha smile

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Speaker 2: is as big as the day is long, and Samonadam,

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Speaker 2: we've all been discussing things to make our selves feel

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Speaker 2: better for better sleep. If you have tips, we're all

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Speaker 2: up for them. Because again, we are not a glamorous show.

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00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: We are not making ourselves more glamorous as we chat.

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Speaker 2: We're actually taking it all off by the end of

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Speaker 2: the show. So we are a make under. It is

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Speaker 2: the make under of true crime tonight. So again, welcome.

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Speaker 6: We want you raw, we want the right, We want

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Speaker 6: you in your pajamas right, yes, yes, yes, we want

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Speaker 6: like we want the coffee. We want the hot coffee

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Speaker 6: and pajamas, just you know, spilling some dirt.

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Speaker 3: Let's exactly exactly, So jump in and join the convo.

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Speaker 3: Eighty eight to three to one crime.

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Speaker 2: Leave us a talk back or hit us up on

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00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: our socials anytime. And Courtney, what is happening with is Louve.

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00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: This thief heist is next level.

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Speaker 3: Wild, next level.

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Speaker 4: I know with a.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 4: French authority is they're investigating what was a lightning fast,

582
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Speaker 4: super professional. It appears jewele heist that happened again at

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Speaker 4: the Loop in Paris and it is suspected to be

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Speaker 4: tied to organized crime. The museum remains closed now and

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00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 4: security practices are under really intense scrutiny. This happened the

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Speaker 4: morning of October nineteenth, just yesterday. It was nine to

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Speaker 4: thirty am and a group of mass thieves. They use

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Speaker 4: a mechanical lift, just this big lift you would see

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Speaker 4: outside of a building, like a crean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in plain sight. Wait, I think that was the

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Speaker 2: tricky part, right, You cannot tell me. I will be

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Speaker 2: shocked to hear.

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Speaker 3: That this is not an inside job. I think I

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Speaker 3: think it's like a collector or something that hired like

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Speaker 3: some guys.

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Speaker 7: But to get the crane, there someone on the inside. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 7: in a way. Don't look at that right now.

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Speaker 3: This thing is huge. This crane, I don't know, but

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Speaker 3: it looks like one.

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Speaker 4: But there is a little bit Stephanie, you mentioned you

601
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Speaker 4: can't sell sort of some famous crown.

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Speaker 3: But here here's some theories. So a couple of more details.

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Speaker 4: So they use this gigantic mechanical lift, they scaled the loove.

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Speaker 4: They stole eight priceless nineteenth century royal jewels like.

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Speaker 3: This was on era, this is pollion times.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and France is obviously shocked by the theft, and

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Speaker 4: they're honestly comparing it to the nineteen eleven Mona Lisa theft.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, they're igniting.

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Speaker 4: A political outcry over the security failures. So what they're

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Speaker 4: thinking is the Paris Public Prosecutor confirmed the professional nature

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Speaker 4: of the heist, and what they suggested is that it

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Speaker 4: was done quote on spec So it's actually the opposite

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Speaker 4: of what I thought too. I would have thought, you know, Joe, billionaires, Hey,

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Speaker 4: you thieves, go steal it. But what they're hypothesizing is

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Speaker 4: that the thieves likely carried out this robbery without a

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Speaker 4: specific buyer lined up, but the expectation that they could

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Speaker 4: sell these stolen items later, possibly to a.

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Speaker 3: Private collector on the darkest black market.

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Speaker 4: And then also the theory is that the crowns, et

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Speaker 4: cetera can be broken apart sold in small parts, and

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Speaker 4: that the thieves wouldn't keep them intact instead would break them,

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Speaker 4: melt them down, recut the valuable stones.

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Speaker 3: That's already well they.

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Speaker 2: Found finding out it's like getting a rolls Royce, Like

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Speaker 2: you're not going to keep the car and sell it

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Speaker 2: in its entirety, You're going to break it down for

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Speaker 2: the parts.

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Speaker 10: Unless there's some megawealthy oligarch out there that's like, I

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Speaker 10: want to get this.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to wear the crown that everyone's looking for?

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Speaker 2: It's a crown, Well.

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Speaker 4: It's a jeweled They found the one one of the items.

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Speaker 4: I think that you were referring to body as Empress

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Speaker 4: Eugene's crown, and that was for covered damage.

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Speaker 3: I had to look it up, but it's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Empress Eugene was the Empress of France and she was

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Speaker 4: married to Napoleon the Third until he was overthrown.

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Speaker 3: So that's whose.

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Speaker 4: Crown it was, and apparently she was quite a fashionista,

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Speaker 4: I learned in my very quick but even that one

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Speaker 4: piece alone, it was it had more than thirteen hundred

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Speaker 4: diamonds and fifty six outs.

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Speaker 7: God yeah, and it was.

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Speaker 2: Just like sitting in like a gaudy yeah, exactly, Like

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Speaker 2: why so many jewels, Like you know, do you guys

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Speaker 2: have any jewels?

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Speaker 3: We shouldn't even don't even have. Don't even answer this. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: internet safety, yeah a good news, as I don't. So

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Speaker 3: that's why I asked the question.

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Speaker 6: But I wish I did. But I mean, do you though,

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Speaker 6: like I would like a diamond, I mean, it's my

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Speaker 6: birst doll and you know, I would.

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Speaker 2: Like like a nice little knockoff those easy and they're

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Speaker 2: so expensive, of course.

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Speaker 3: Not I would get one of those grown ones, like yeah.

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Speaker 6: The grown ones, Yeah, the ones they want to laugh

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Speaker 6: or I like, I would also really like an emerald

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Speaker 6: that's pretty.

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Speaker 2: It was my mom and sapphire, that's what princess.

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Speaker 3: But no, I have no jewels. So yeah, they found

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Speaker 3: this jewel. They found this crown like in the gutter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and its all their tools, there's these things were

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Speaker 2: left behind, so they think it was.

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Speaker 3: On spec because of what was taken.

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Speaker 6: I'm guessing like they think because like no collector would

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Speaker 6: want this hodgepodge of stuff? Is that why they I mean,

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Speaker 6: I'm wondering why.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure of the rationale, but I do know

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Speaker 4: that that is what the prosecutor has put out, so

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Speaker 4: I don't know the intricacies behind it.

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Speaker 3: I had a couple of details that I overheard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of them was, so the game plan would

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Speaker 2: typically be if you were taking a very renowned set

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Speaker 2: of jewels that were tangled together, like a crown or

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Speaker 2: a necklace for example, that's all emerald. Yes, you would

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Speaker 2: melt it down and take the individual jewels and sell

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Speaker 2: those on the black market because as a whole it

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Speaker 2: could never really be souls. It would be the equivalent

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Speaker 2: of selling the Mona Lisa. So everyone's looking for it.

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Speaker 2: You can't just like sell a crown. They'd know you're

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Speaker 2: the guy, right. So the likelihood is that these were

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Speaker 2: sloppy thieves. Although pretty great, they were just like so

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Speaker 2: right in front of us that nobody caught it, right.

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Speaker 2: So number one, they like literally took a street crane

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Speaker 2: and just went through a balcony and like have little

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Speaker 2: chainsaws and did some heavy moving from one end of

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Speaker 2: the loop to the other.

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Speaker 3: Is it louver?

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Speaker 5: Love?

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Speaker 3: Forgive me if I'm saying it.

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Speaker 4: My husband, who speaks like a perfect French, says it.

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Speaker 2: How I can't louver? Is how they say it? That

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Speaker 2: was so beautiful. I know how I do Paris, and

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Speaker 2: I love this whole world.

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Speaker 10: So Sam, Sam was there last year, so he can

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Speaker 10: tell us how to pronounce it.

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Speaker 3: Sam, what do we say?

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Speaker 12: I think it is louver. But I just have a

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Speaker 12: hard time believing security was not ericause I was around

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Speaker 12: there around like I think, like nine am, and there

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Speaker 12: were military guys everywhere when we were in line that

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Speaker 12: I was afraid to just look in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 2: It's the same security guards that were guarding Epstein when

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00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: he took his life there. It's like that lost minute,

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Speaker 2: It's right, it's the same scenario. There's like a missing sitch, right.

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Speaker 2: So but either way, these jewels are gone, and now

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Speaker 2: there's obviously it's very high stakes. But do you take

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Speaker 2: the individual jewels and seldom on the black market?

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Speaker 3: Is that an operation? Can you do that?

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Speaker 2: Or is the idea of you doing that guaranteeing your arrest?

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Speaker 2: You would have to assume the latter, you would think

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Speaker 2: what a waste.

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Speaker 4: Well, and the LOUVER had recently requested funds for a

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Speaker 4: seven to eight hundred million dollars overhaul for museum infrastructure

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Speaker 4: and security. And also some rooms of the gallery did

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Speaker 4: not have CCTV and a local alarm was reportedly out

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Speaker 4: of order at the time.

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Speaker 3: This is it inciting. There's a national Pressures of France.

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Speaker 4: Like listen, I'm just saying I agree with you more

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Speaker 4: like a tacking.

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Speaker 3: Betty knows what's doing. She for sure is on it.

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Speaker 3: We should shy my mom into because she is outraged.

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Speaker 2: But it is outrageous because these are precious jewels and

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Speaker 2: this is a highly secured location and it's taken everybody

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Speaker 2: off guard, you know, just in plain sight.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean these are these are relics of you know,

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Speaker 3: everyone's history. You know, the Mona.

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Speaker 6: Lisa, and you know, like there's so many things there

729
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Speaker 6: that are precious to human history, right, Like this is

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Speaker 6: something that doesn't just affect France. I mean, obviously the

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Speaker 6: Crown jewels and whatnot are very important to France's history

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Speaker 6: and whatnot, but like as part of human history is concerned,

733
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Speaker 6: there's a lot of really important art pieces at this place,

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Speaker 6: and I'm kind of infuriated that they didn't have CCTV there.

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Speaker 3: This is true Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. Are you upset

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Speaker 3: like I am?

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Speaker 6: Give us a call eight at eight thirty one crime,

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Speaker 6: or leave us a talk back on the iHeart Radio app.

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Speaker 6: You know, I really want to walk in there one

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Speaker 6: day and see the Mona Lisa, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: I would.

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Speaker 3: I would love to go. It's so expensive. I just

743
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Speaker 3: don't want it to be stolen. Yeah, I'm happy by

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Speaker 3: a ticket. It's beautiful. I would. I mean, it is nice.

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Speaker 12: It's just a lot smaller than you think. Yeah, and

746
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Speaker 12: that my suggestion is when you get in there, you

747
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 12: try to run in there and get early before you

748
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Speaker 12: have like phones, Like.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's true, that's true. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I just it's kind of upsetting that people can just

751
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 6: walk in there and basically take stuff.

752
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 10: Take something away, and then everyone else now suffers.

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Speaker 6: Like Leonardo da Vinci is, like, you know, he he's

754
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 6: not only a talented artist, but he was like an

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00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 6: brilliant engineer, you know what I mean. There's pieces there,

756
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 6: you know, that's people like me and well, people like

757
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 6: everybody find fascinating about the human body. The body, Yeah,

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00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 6: you know, I mean like, there's just so many really

759
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 6: important pieces to human history, and the fact that these

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Speaker 6: jerks just walked.

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Speaker 7: In and took it makes me angry me too, you

762
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Speaker 7: know what makes it even matter?

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Speaker 10: Like, did you ever see some of the cases where

764
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Speaker 10: I guess these protesters that will go to museums and

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Speaker 10: then like throw paint or something on the beautiful pieces

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Speaker 10: that one really, Yeah, I don't like that angers me.

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Speaker 7: That's equally is not equally.

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Speaker 6: I mean, listen, I'm all for protesting, but I'm not

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Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not about destroying beautiful pieces of art

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Speaker 6: that have nothing to.

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Speaker 3: Do with your protest exactly.

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Speaker 6: You know, That's just how I feel. I mean, these

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00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 6: these belong to us as people. You know, this is

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Speaker 6: part of like I said, human history. Leonard, Like, oh

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00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 6: my god, how can this happen? They need to fix

776
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 6: this or move those pieces to a more secure location.

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Speaker 6: I'm with you, I'm really up in arms.

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Speaker 7: Answer now let's go.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: in my shower.

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Speaker 2: Hey, so vix in my clothes. But first of all,

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Speaker 3: You you smell like vis.

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Speaker 7: But I wonder about on a pimple. That sounds too.

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Speaker 4: I wonder that like tonight, Oh, speaking of okay, this

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Speaker 4: I have like one nice piece of unit furniture I

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Speaker 4: I was so mad. I'm like, I can't have anything

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Speaker 4: nice in my life.

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Speaker 4: Guys, anyone, if you have water marks or that scene

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Speaker 4: like they've just ruined your wood, toothpaste, rub it, rubb it,

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Speaker 4: rub it.

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Speaker 3: It's gone.

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Speaker 2: To double down on that little added tip. If you

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Speaker 2: you throw white wine on it? What really, We're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to put that to the test.

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Speaker 6: Okay, you know what I have that one. You need

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Speaker 6: to put saran wrap in your freezer. Don't put it

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Speaker 3: the bowl. In all that, I think, are we cleaning experts?

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Speaker 4: Listen that more top of the hour, we are going

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Speaker 4: out to find new ways to reach kids safety. Internet

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Speaker 4: Expert Katie Greer is going to help with something that

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Speaker 4: every parent and honestly just adult in society needs to know.

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Speaker 4: We have that and much much more true crime tonight.

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Speaker 3: So listen.

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Speaker 2: Later in the show, we have Internet safety expert back

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Speaker 2: with us, Katie Greer. I really like her, she too awesome,

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Speaker 2: really gotten so much, so many responses to her being

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Speaker 2: here because some of the world is intense right now, right, So,

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Speaker 2: how do we keep kids safe? By the way, how

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Speaker 2: do we keep ourselves safe? And by keeping ourselves safe,

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Speaker 2: we keep kids safe? Right, So circle continues. So, by

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Speaker 2: the way, this Internet going down Amazon, all the things

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Speaker 2: that are happened last night talk about you know, good timing, because,

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Speaker 2: by the way, everybody should change their passwords to their

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Speaker 2: stuff based on the breach that happened last night. That's

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Speaker 2: a little tip that I learned today, just as an fyi.

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Speaker 2: They also, yeah, fresh off the presses, am I that

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Speaker 2: new Internet expert.

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Speaker 3: Cleaning expert in trouble? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, really has the world gone sideways that

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Speaker 2: I'm sharing Internet tips? But I did learn this today

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Speaker 2: and it was covered thoroughly on with smarter people than me.

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Speaker 3: I'll say, you know.

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Speaker 2: Katie Scott, like that is a tragic case that is

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Speaker 2: happening in real time, and I know, body you were

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Speaker 2: going to fill us in on the new developments there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, human remains found in an abandoned Philadelphia middle

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Speaker 6: school like a wooded area right behind it were confirmed

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Speaker 6: as Kata Scott's and these are leading to new charges

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Speaker 6: against the suspect, Keon King. He's twenty one years old,

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Speaker 6: including arson in conspiracy, with further charges expected. So Kata Scott,

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Speaker 6: she was a twenty three, by the way, one of

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Speaker 6: the most beautiful women I've ever seen a picture of

877
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 6: in my life. She was a twenty three. I mean

878
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 6: this just is so upsetting. So Kata Scott. She was

879
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 6: a twenty three year old communications graduate. She disappeared like

880
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 6: two weeks ago on October fourth, after leaving her job

881
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 6: at an assisted living facility, prompting extensive police search. So

882
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 6: Kean King, twenty one. He was identified through cell phone

883
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 6: data because she was last communicating with him. He was

884
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 6: arrested on kidnapping and other charges prior to her being found,

885
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 6: with links to two vehicles connected to the case. And

886
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 6: there's this frightening video of what people think is him

887
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 6: trying to break into another woman's house. It is terrifying,

888
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 6: you guys, and she's recording it with her cell phone. Unrelated,

889
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 6: they think to Kata Scott, but he's like trying. He's

890
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 6: going around the house trying windows. I mean, just imagine

891
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 6: this is broad daylight.

892
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 3: No, it is the middle of the daker and it

893
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: actually does.

894
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: I know We're having Katie Greer on later to talk

895
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: about the Internet, but like this some basics.

896
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: We work in true crime.

897
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: And something that I'm really unsurprised by, which is surprising

898
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: is that you got to keep your doors in your

899
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 2: windows locked. Yeah, if you see this video of this

900
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: maniac whoever this is trying to check doors.

901
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 3: There's cameras. By the way, this is a lovely home.

902
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: It's not as though this person is being swayed by

903
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: any of the obvious things.

904
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: So door knobs that open open, right. So here's what's interesting.

905
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 6: The news that I've been reading about this about Kata

906
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 6: Scott specifically, she was found Saturday, okay, at the abandoned

907
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 6: Ada H. Lewis Middle School following an anonymous tip, an

908
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 6: anonymous tip, and it was confirmed to be her via

909
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 6: DNA testing, so brutal. So it's that tells us a

910
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 6: couple of things, right, Who, by the way, who called

911
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 6: it an anonymous tip and she would be there? Who

912
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 6: knew she was there? Or did he confess? Maybe, but

913
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 6: I don't think they would say anonymous tip.

914
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: If he confessed, they would have caused he was been

915
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: arrested and that would have been the end of it.

916
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: If it's an anonymous tip, maybe it's a family member,

917
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: a friend, or somebody who was in his circle.

918
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 3: Right.

919
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 6: Maybe, So new charges against key On King because he

920
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 6: was already, like I said, previously arrested for kidnapping include arson,

921
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 6: causing a catastrophe, conspiracy, unauthorized use of a vehicle, tampering

922
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 6: with evidence, and receipt of stolen property. Investigators have linked

923
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 6: King to a burned two thousand and eight one day

924
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 6: accent believed to have been used to transport for her

925
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 6: body to you know its location. He turned himself in

926
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 6: in October fourteenth and is currently being held on multiple charges,

927
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 6: but has not yet entered a plea. A prior kidnapping

928
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 6: case involving him right has been reopened. Now now the

929
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 6: cops are like, okay, you know, looking at everything. This

930
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 6: guy yeaheah, this guy right have been reopened to new

931
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 6: evidence connected to Kata's case. O Kia So police recovered

932
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 6: personal belongings of Kada near the abandoned school, including her

933
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 6: debit card and phone case. The cause of death has

934
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 6: not yet been publicly released and the investigation is ongoing,

935
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 6: with further charges anticipated.

936
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: So let's discuss Kada. This is somebody else. You know.

937
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 2: Her job is caring for you know, elderly people. She's

938
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: dedicated her life in so many ways to service. She's

939
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 2: doing well, she's successful, she's you know, this is a

940
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: person with a huge life ahead. She's adding to.

941
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 3: The world, and somebody.

942
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: Has decided she's like the all American child that you

943
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: would imagine exactly.

944
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, she just graduated from Penn State University.

945
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so hard to get into your mother.

946
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 3: It's exactly like, just on the precipice of what.

947
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 6: Prior to be her disappearing, she had reported that she

948
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 6: had been being harassed, although they haven't said or they

949
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 6: don't know if it was him, oh that was doing

950
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 6: the harassment, he was just talking to It kind of

951
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 6: reminded me of Kaylee Gonsolvas telling her friends that she

952
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 6: was being stalked in Idoo. You know, they didn't know

953
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 6: who it was, but that she had just been been

954
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 6: being harassed, so they might have that sixth sense you right,

955
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 6: as women, we kind of like the sense I get

956
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 6: the impression because he worked with her, I kind of

957
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 6: maybe have this, you know, feeling, because listen, she's a

958
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 6: beautiful she's cordial, beautiful woman.

959
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 3: Right, beauty queen, She's beautiful.

960
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 6: She's literally literally like you know, no joke about it, right.

961
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 6: I can see her getting harassed by a number of people,

962
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 6: like you know, and she maybe rejects you, and you

963
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 6: feel a certain type of way.

964
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 2: And by the way, imagine you're being sought after because

965
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: you're so beautiful. Even by the way, even the not

966
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 2: so beautiful get harassed.

967
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 3: It's so truteful. Oh no, don't imagine. You kind of

968
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 3: get a loof to it.

969
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: You're like, I just mean she got in the workplace. Yeah,

970
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: and like you don't want to make a big stink

971
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: at your job. Right, this is a story as old

972
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: as time. Right, you have a sixth sense, you have

973
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: like a weird feeling about somebody, You go to the office,

974
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: You're like, I don't want to make a thing. But

975
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: and then here we are, and now there's a mother

976
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: missing her daughter, a room in mom's home that's now empty,

977
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: and her skull and body is being found under circumstances

978
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: that we don't even have all the answers for. It

979
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 2: is unimaginable.

980
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: Right.

981
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 6: So the district attorney Ashley T. Her name is very

982
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 6: I cannot pronounce it, Okay, So here's what she said.

983
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 6: He did have a previous case. It was a twenty

984
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 6: twenty five case for very similar conduct strangulation and kidnapping

985
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 6: set a District attorney Ashley T. That case had been

986
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 6: withdrawn by our office based on the witness failing to

987
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:33,959
Speaker 6: appear at court.

988
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: I pulled that file.

989
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 6: And after an extensive review of it, our office made

990
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 6: the decision to refile those charges.

991
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 3: So those charges are not going to be added from

992
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 3: this previous case to But it's.

993
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 2: So hard if you're trying to get dumb is open

994
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: this conversation. I certainly do not have the answer. But

995
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: in certain cases, you put something out there, you say, hey,

996
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,280
Speaker 2: I'm experiencing this, and you have to deal with people

997
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: knowing it now it's a matter of public record. Maybe

998
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: you love this person and they have a family and

999
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: you don't want to hurt their feeling. You know, it's

1000
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 2: so layered, right, sometimes harassment, stocking their feelings that are

1001
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: it's tough.

1002
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: I mean it is tough. I think it's just celebrities.

1003
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: But in the real world, this really happens, and we

1004
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: covered these cases time and time again where certain women

1005
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: or men will speak up and they'll get a restraining

1006
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: order and that maybe instigates the person because there's like

1007
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: some weird connection, or they withdraw that because they're afraid,

1008
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: or they don't want to misspeak, or they don't want

1009
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: to cause harm to somebody even though that person is

1010
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 2: doing them harm. Silence is never the answer. And this

1011
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 2: is another one of those scenarios, like there was stuff

1012
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 2: on record, this person had stuff happening right.

1013
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 7: And still did it.

1014
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 10: And I think even we had a guest before that

1015
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 10: talked about the restraining orders really don't have that much weight.

1016
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 7: They don't do enough.

1017
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: Leonora Claire Leonora. Yeah, she was great.

1018
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 7: Mm hmm, she was really great. It's just frightening.

1019
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 4: Well, the Scott family, they have publicly thanked the community

1020
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 4: for support, and they as well have asked for privacy

1021
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 4: as they grieve and our urgent kindness to others as

1022
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 4: a way to honor your daughter's memory.

1023
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 3: So let's to encompass that.

1024
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's impossible, it's impossible to imagine, and it is

1025
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: the bar we should all be reaching for.

1026
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 3: I agree, it's I don't know that I would have

1027
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: that much grace and me, so hats off to them. Absolutely,

1028
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 3: this is true crime.

1029
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 4: Tonight, we've been talking about Kata Scott and very sadly

1030
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 4: her remains have been found, and we will all try

1031
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 4: and exude kindness as her family asks for people to

1032
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 4: do in her memory.

1033
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 3: I wanted to give you.

1034
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 4: Guys a quick update, so we spoke maybe a week

1035
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 4: ago about the woman Daisy Link she impregnated.

1036
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: Oh yes, you know herself kind of.

1037
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 4: This was in jail and there was no physical contact

1038
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 4: with another inmate, and they he was well, he was

1039
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 4: masturbating multiple times a day into a baggie and then

1040
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 4: sending it through the vents of the jail and.

1041
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 3: Boom, then there was a baby.

1042
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 4: Well, Daisy, she has just been found guilty of second

1043
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 4: degree murder. This is in the twenty twenty two fatal

1044
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 4: shooting of Pedro Jimenez, who was the father of her

1045
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 4: two older children.

1046
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 7: Oh no, wow, so she was just being held there.

1047
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just the jail. The jail. Now she's

1048
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 3: going to go to big girl jail prison.

1049
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 10: Okay, so that tracks now it makes a little more sense. Yeah,

1050
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 10: he slipped things through because it wasn't I.

1051
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 6: Still even in jail, I thought they kept the men

1052
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 6: and women in very different units.

1053
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, I read jail. I would be

1054
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 3: either I would die if I went to jail, I

1055
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 3: would not survive. I wouldn't survive twenty four hours. I

1056
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't survive twenty minutes. Go insane. I to go insane.

1057
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: I would be hysterical.

1058
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: You would hear me screaming and wailing to beyond measuring,

1059
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: and I honestly the prison guards would assassinate me. It

1060
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: would be unimaginable. Honestly, I would be wailing and a

1061
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: living nightmare for twelve hours behind bars. That is my

1062
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: biggest fear. I watched Ashank Redemption and that was the

1063
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: end of it.

1064
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 3: It's over. I am a law abiding citizen. I drive

1065
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: ten and two. I'm like, hey, yes, I got a

1066
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: driver's license.

1067
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 2: I had to go to DMV today and you would

1068
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: have thought I was in the military.

1069
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: I was like Benjamin, I was in the line. I

1070
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 3: was like, do I have to do sit ups? Do

1071
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: I have to do punches? But I've been wearing the

1072
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 3: I'm wearing all your best.

1073
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: Does I count for my eyesight tests, by the way,

1074
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: which is not great. Also something to consider is that

1075
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Speaker 2: can we add that to the list of things for

1076
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: our True Crime Tonight crew to solve my waiting vision.

1077
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 3: Is the story for a different day. But nonetheless, my goodness,

1078
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 3: but we need your story. Sorry, not at all. So

1079
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 3: that was it was just the update.

1080
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 4: So the woman who we had spoken about, she again

1081
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 4: is she's been found guilty and we have time for

1082
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 4: a quick talk back.

1083
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 9: Hi, my name is Sydney from New Jersey. I love

1084
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 9: the podcast. I listen when I'm working out, cookie and driving.

1085
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Speaker 9: I have a question regarding safety and self defense. There

1086
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Speaker 9: has been someone stealing packages in my neighborhood and I

1087
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Speaker 9: recently saw a Facebook post that my neighbor had posted

1088
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Speaker 9: of a video of a man stealing his bike at

1089
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Speaker 9: his front door. I'm now terrified that these people are

1090
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Speaker 9: going to get more bold. Do you have any safety

1091
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Speaker 9: tips that you can provide me and the listeners?

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Speaker 3: Thanks? Love you guys. Great question. Yeah, the pirates support parrots.

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Speaker 3: What do you do?

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Speaker 7: I don't other than a ringam, I wouldn't know what

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Speaker 7: is the ring?

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Speaker 6: Maybe there's like a lock box that you can only

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Speaker 6: put things in, right.

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Speaker 10: Like yeah, you know, like I've seen or heard something

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Speaker 10: like that, where like there's a specific one that Amazon

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Speaker 10: can lock and put in the items.

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Speaker 7: I'll have to look into them, but I.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I would love to do in

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Speaker 4: advance of the upcoming holidays. Let's go ahead and get

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Speaker 4: an expert because this problem.

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Speaker 3: That is a beautiful talk back.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and that is.

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Speaker 4: A problem that is so pervasive and we should find

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Speaker 4: out from someone knowledgeable.

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Speaker 2: So I tell you, if you take my package and

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Speaker 2: I happen to catch it on the ring, God bless you,

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Speaker 2: I will rip myself out of whatever I am doing,

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Speaker 2: which is probably watching my Bravo, and I will tumble

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Speaker 2: out that door and fight.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, keep it here. We have Internet.

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Speaker 4: Safety expert Katie Greer joining us.

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Speaker 3: Lots of tips true crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Lydecker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong, Body Moven and the crew Taha, Sam and

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Speaker 2: Adam and listen, we have internet safety expert Katie gear Back.

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Speaker 2: You know, she is the CEO of key l Career Consulting.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, we've gotten a lot of feedback

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Speaker 2: from your first appears here and by the way, we're

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Speaker 2: talking to her right now. She's wearing the coziest little

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Speaker 2: like snug of fall bringing the air. So we're gonna

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Speaker 2: add this to our self care list of snuggly things

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Speaker 2: to be wearing.

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Speaker 3: Cozy so co it's cozy season.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to cozy season, everybody, So we're gonna get cozy

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Speaker 2: and also get prepared because Katie is going to keep

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Speaker 2: us safe on the internet and certainly kids everywhere, by

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Speaker 2: the way, and adults. It's like a this is a

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Speaker 2: two prong operation. Are are needing some tips and help Katie.

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Speaker 2: The last time you were here, we got so much

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Speaker 2: feedback and questions for you directly, So thank you for

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Speaker 2: coming back. We know that you're everywhere all the time.

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Speaker 2: And it's a busy girl. It's a busy girl. She

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Speaker 2: is a busy girl. She's a cozy, busy girl.

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Speaker 14: No, I'm so excited to be back here. Cozy and busy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yes, So we.

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Speaker 2: Have Meghan on the line right now. Hi Meghan, thank

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Speaker 2: you for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hi Meg, Meghan. So listen, we've.

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Speaker 2: Been getting a lot of calls and we've been telling

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Speaker 2: Katie just that we've we've been getting a lot of response.

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Speaker 3: So happy you're here with us, Meghan.

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Speaker 2: And I know that you had a story to share

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Speaker 2: that's personal to you about your child and your child's

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Speaker 2: safety on a phone, which of course then has internet

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Speaker 2: and all the things that everyone is dealing with.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for joining us. And yeah share Hi.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so I got my daughter a phone and we

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Speaker 11: you know, we took all the safety measurements we thought

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Speaker 11: we would take. She couldn't download apps without minor her

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Speaker 11: father's permission. It would be turned on at certain points

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Speaker 11: throughout the day and at night. You know, we monitored

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Speaker 11: everything daily and unfortunately somebody still is able to get

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Speaker 11: through to my daughter. And it was a grown man

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Speaker 11: and he was sending her like really inappropriate saying pictures

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Speaker 11: and other things, but was pretending to be a little boy, so.

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Speaker 2: Like catfishing almost, Katie, have you I'm sure you've dealt

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Speaker 2: with this before, so you know, a phone can be

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Speaker 2: a loaded gun, and we're all dealing with this.

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Speaker 3: I know there's no simple answer here, or is there? Yeah?

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Speaker 14: I think I think what you said earlier is actually

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Speaker 14: a really good point too, right, that we're dealing with this.

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Speaker 14: This is not just Megan. Will you remind me how

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Speaker 14: old your child is? She's seven seven, okay, So whether

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Speaker 14: it's a seven year old, a seventeen year old, a

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Speaker 14: twenty seven year old, or a fifty seven year old, like,

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Speaker 14: everyone runs this risk, right, and with AI becoming better

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Speaker 14: and more sophisticated, it's and I could get scammed tomorrow, right,

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Speaker 14: So I think that it's really important to kind of

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Speaker 14: understand that a couple of things, I guess I'll ask, also,

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Speaker 14: how do you know how this connection happened? Like, did

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Speaker 14: how did this person get a hold of your child's

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Speaker 14: number if they were texting?

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Speaker 11: So my daughter will play Fortnite with friends like in

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Speaker 11: her dad on the Xbox. Well we put the Fortnite

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Speaker 11: on her phone and I didn't know she could play

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Speaker 11: online on the phone. And they have a chat box

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Speaker 11: and I didn't even know she knew how to get

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Speaker 11: to the chat box or anything like that, and that's

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Speaker 11: how they got into contact with each other. But when

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Speaker 11: you brought up AI, what was crazy was when we

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Speaker 11: did find out like who, like who this person was

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Speaker 11: and everything. We called from one of our phones the number,

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Speaker 11: and they were actually using an AI voice changer like

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Speaker 11: talking to us. They would change their voice like every

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Speaker 11: different call we'd make. Yeah, it's so it's so scary.

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Speaker 11: I want to say, I guess first, I don't know

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Speaker 11: if it's comforting or not.

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Speaker 14: But you're not alone. This happens a lot, right and

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Speaker 14: and right when you said I actually I did not

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Speaker 14: know how that connection happened. And my first assumption was

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Speaker 14: gaming just because of your child's age, and gaming is

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Speaker 14: so popular, and this is not gaming like I grew

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Speaker 14: up with, right, It's it's not the gaming that you

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Speaker 14: sit with, right.

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Speaker 2: It's not Atari, right, paper Boy.

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Speaker 14: You know, you're connected and you're playing with potentially hundreds

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Speaker 14: of thousands of other people. So that is a really

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Speaker 14: common gateway, sadly, where these perpetrators will will connect with

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Speaker 14: younger kids and get them. You know, if you think

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Speaker 14: about it's a perfect storm, right, It's a live, pretty

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Speaker 14: much unmoderated environment where there are hundreds of thousands of people,

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Speaker 14: a lot of kids who enjoy these games. The perpetrators

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Speaker 14: will know that, and they're often distracted, right because they're

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Speaker 14: gaming and their brain is in all the gaming places

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Speaker 14: and you know, so they're really, unfortunately like easy targets

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Speaker 14: in these situations. So this is actually a very common scenario.

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Speaker 14: So that's that's the first thing.

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 15: The second thing, the good news.

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Speaker 14: Is is every single game that there is out there,

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Speaker 14: including ones you plan your phone or on the Nintendo

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Speaker 14: Switch or on Xbox, every single game that I've ever

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Speaker 14: heard of has settings so that you can use them

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Speaker 14: to make sure your kids aren't chatting with strangers while

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Speaker 14: they're playing those games. So that's a really good kind

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Speaker 14: of tip and thing to know. And you know, whether

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Speaker 14: it's playing offline, playing solo mode, playing in your WiFi

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Speaker 14: only creating a certain world. There's a whole bunch of

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Speaker 14: chat gpt it. Honestly, there's a whole bunch of different

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Speaker 14: ways that you can use these settings so that your

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Speaker 14: kids aren't can still play the games, but they're not

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Speaker 14: chatting with strangers.

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Speaker 6: That's a good idea to chat gpt it if you

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Speaker 6: don't know, like what to even look for, talk to

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Speaker 6: AI about it, right, talk to chat jet about it.

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Speaker 6: Just type it in like how do I lock my

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Speaker 6: child out a Fortnite chat?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 6: That's something that they can even just chat GPT and

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Speaker 6: it will tell you exactly what to do. And I

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Speaker 6: think it's probably safe to assume, you know, you said

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Speaker 6: you you didn't even know that your your daughter knew

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Speaker 6: even how to get to the chat box, right, I

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Speaker 6: think it's safe to assume. We have to assume that

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Speaker 6: these kids are smarter than us, right, Oh my.

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Speaker 2: Goodness, yeah, I mean we just have to assume three

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Speaker 2: years old, they're smarter.

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Speaker 6: They are smarter than us. My little niece when she

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Speaker 6: was little. She's twenty three now. She was three years

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Speaker 6: old and was better on the mouse than I was.

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Speaker 6: And that's when I realized. I was like, these kids

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Speaker 6: are not the same. Yeah, now they are the same.

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Speaker 2: The whole world has been indoctrinated into online living, right,

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Speaker 2: so that has beautiful potential. So we're not even knocking that.

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Speaker 2: But for parents and adults so sometimes think they're safeguarding

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Speaker 2: that's probably a joke. And for Megan, you're not alone

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01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 2: is the best to answer. You know, Katie, thank you

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Speaker 2: for saying that, because on the one hand, you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we shouldn't give our kids phones, And on the other hand,

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Speaker 2: you know, people are in co parenting situations or we

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Speaker 2: hear about active shooters, and you want your kid to

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Speaker 2: have access to a lifeline in some ways, So the

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Speaker 2: phones are here, right, so how do we safeguard against that?

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Speaker 2: And putting the genie back in the bottle sometimes feels

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Speaker 2: like false advice.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and it's just anyway, Katie, what are you know?

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Speaker 6: Stories like this are every parent's worst nightmare, right Your

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01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 6: child is communicating with somebody online. That's horrifying. What are

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Speaker 6: some early warning signs that young children might be communicating

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Speaker 6: with somebody inappropriate online.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think mood changes are a really good one

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Speaker 14: to think about, you know, although, which is also interesting

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Speaker 14: is I have two teenagers, so like mood.

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Speaker 3: Changing every day, right, Yeah, But.

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Speaker 14: I think prolonged mood changes ones that are you know,

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Speaker 14: like you know, if you have a child that's normally

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Speaker 14: really chatty when they come home, they're really quiet, or

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Speaker 14: they're spending a lot of time in their room. Sometimes

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Speaker 14: being sneaky with devices is another one that I know,

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Speaker 14: So I think that's a good one as well. But

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Speaker 14: you know, I think I don't. I think we had

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Speaker 14: said that the way that Megan had found this is

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Speaker 14: uh by spot checking, and that is so huge, Like

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Speaker 14: you can do all the safeguards and all the things

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Speaker 14: and have all the things in place, but those spot checks,

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Speaker 14: I think can really you can notice some things that

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01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 14: are off or some things that may be different that

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Speaker 14: may signal like maybe I have to dive a little

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Speaker 14: bit deeper into this, And thank goodness, I cannot recommend

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Speaker 14: that enough. And I don't even like the word snooping,

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Speaker 14: Like I want your kids to expect you're going to

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Speaker 14: be checking it on this.

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Speaker 3: Ye yes, yeah, Megan, Yeah, that just happened with my daughter.

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Speaker 11: Her mood changed, and that's when I was like, what's

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Speaker 11: going on with you? I was like, what she was like?

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Speaker 11: Not like you said, not talking. She is a little

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Speaker 11: more snippy to the point like others in our family

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Speaker 11: noticed that herd mood was different. So that was another

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Speaker 11: reason I was like, something's not adding up. Why did

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Speaker 11: you just flip a switch like you did?

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Speaker 6: Wow, So you experienced a mood change in a seven

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Speaker 6: year old, which is probably a lot more noticeable than

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Speaker 6: somebody that's like thirteen or fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Right, seven the same rules talk about it, you know.

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Speaker 2: And also when you're thirteen and fourteen, there's this weird

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Speaker 2: line of you want to allow privacy. I know that's

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Speaker 2: what I would have craved at that age, where that's

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Speaker 2: kind of sacred right. You want to have your own

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Speaker 2: agency in place in the world that feels safe, and

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Speaker 2: at the same time, you got a snoop because you

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Speaker 2: want to make sure that things are safe.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's a brave new world in that regard. You're listening

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Speaker 3: to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime

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01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 3: all the time.

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Speaker 6: I'mbody moving and I'm here with Stephanie and Courtney, and

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Speaker 6: we are talking with internet safety expert Katie Greer about

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01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 6: how to keep your preteens safe online and with their

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Speaker 6: first phones. Katie, I wanted to ask you another question,

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Speaker 6: and Megan is still on the line too, preparents with

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Speaker 6: kids under twelve, what concree steps can they take to

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Speaker 6: secure phones, tablets, gaming chats.

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Speaker 3: Things like that.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so I have to like back up a second.

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Speaker 14: I think there's comes even before before we purchase a device,

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Speaker 14: like before that is even a thought in our brains,

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Speaker 14: is taking into account what our family needs and the

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Speaker 14: individuals within the family as well, So like what are

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Speaker 14: the absolute necessities for this phone? And this is I

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01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 14: mean I could talk about for days about this, right,

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Speaker 14: because their kids are getting devices younger and younger, and

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Speaker 14: you know, it's really important that we take inventory of

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Speaker 14: what are our needs as a family. By the way,

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Speaker 14: can those needs be met in other ways like watches

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Speaker 14: or smart watches or flip phone right, which still exists,

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01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 14: by the way, So taking inventory of that, I think

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Speaker 14: is really important. And then we go to the rule

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Speaker 14: side of it. Right, So my daughter is fourteen. I

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Speaker 14: just got her a phone at fourteen years old, and

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Speaker 14: I made a three page, double sided, twelve size spont

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Speaker 14: contract for her as well with things that we have

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01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 14: been talking about, like she hates me, she thinks some

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Speaker 14: of biggest loser ever.

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Speaker 7: But can we.

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Speaker 2: Post this contract? So what is this twelve page contract?

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Speaker 2: Because we all want in everything watched the contract.

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Speaker 3: That's important. No, it's a big deal.

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Speaker 14: I have to I have to say a lot of

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01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 14: it is about privacy versus what you just talked about, right,

1345
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 14: like privacy versus privilege, and like this is a privilege.

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Speaker 14: This is my phone first.

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Speaker 3: That's diary exactly right.

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Speaker 14: And there you have acts. This is this is not

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Speaker 14: a diary. And I think that's a really important you

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01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 14: brought up, you know, privacy, which is important, and I

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Speaker 14: get it. And I'm not here to be like like

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Speaker 14: my dad would be like you don't get privacy right my.

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Speaker 3: House, my rules. I put the bills, you own it.

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Speaker 3: I get that, by the way. I grew up that

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Speaker 3: way too. I don't know the line. We're all learning it.

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Speaker 11: We are.

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Speaker 14: And look, your line might be different than my line also, right,

1358
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 14: because our families are different and our kids are different,

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Speaker 14: and and you know, Megan's seven year old is different

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01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 14: who maybe acting a little bit funky one day, so

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Speaker 14: maybe she has to do, you know, more to check

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Speaker 14: on that. Anyhow, I think it's really important to establish that,

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Speaker 14: and that they have access to billions of people with

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Speaker 14: a clip of a button. So this is not a diary,

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Speaker 14: this is not this is this is different, right, So

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Speaker 14: I think that's important to delineate and to think about.

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Speaker 14: I also think that social cues and politeness was a

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Speaker 14: big part of the contract that I put in there,

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Speaker 14: and the fact that you know, like Meghan said, you

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Speaker 14: have you know, I let her know that I have

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Speaker 14: settings on there and I have the right to change

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Speaker 14: those settings, and that I have not just because I'm

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Speaker 14: trying to be a jerk and trying to be all

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Speaker 14: up in her business, which she argues, but because I'm

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01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 14: trying to make her good at this. This is a

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01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 14: life skill, right, and there are a lot of dangers

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Speaker 14: in hurt with this life skill, like driving, So I

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01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 14: have the rule not becoming trying to re obtain the butt,

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Speaker 14: but because I'm trying to make her good at this

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Speaker 14: really powerful tool. So I think I think that's important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and You're so right, it's making her good in

1382
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 2: the world it's not so much about checking on you.

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01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 2: It's about making you equipped to deal with the world

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Speaker 2: we're now living in, which you know, Megan's living real time.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Megan, thank you so much for the call.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate your sharing. Yes, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: honest about your experience.

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Speaker 6: Like it's please don't feel shame like any parent, right like,

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Speaker 6: please call us let us know. Maybe you know there's

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01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 6: some more tips. So thank you so much for that story, Megan.

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Speaker 6: We really appreciate it. Keep it right here. We've covered preteens,

1392
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 6: but how do you keep more internet savvy teenagers safe?

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Speaker 6: Katie Greer is going to stick around to discuss that topic.

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Speaker 6: Keep it right here at True Crime Tonight, We're talking

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01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 6: true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio and

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

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01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: with Courtney and Body and Katie Greer, who is our

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Speaker 2: Internet safety expert. By the way, back by popular demand.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here, Katie, because it's

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01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 2: complicated stuff, because we're talking about keeping our kids safe.

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01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 2: By the way, the internet aravidly went down last night.

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01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 2: How about that when good luck finding your Amazon good

1404
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 2: luck finding lots of things in the last twenty four hours. Right,

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01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 2: so there's been a snag in the system. Maybe that's

1406
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 2: helped with predators online. Maybe our kids are safer. But

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01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 2: two things. One, what do we do? So I think

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01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 2: this spirit is so far as what you've said is

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01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:04,480
Speaker 2: spot checking, right, some common sense spot checking of devices

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Speaker 2: with our you know, kids, young adults, anyone who's in

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01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 2: our sphere that might be subjected to some creepy old

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Speaker 2: person who's cat fishing young people.

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Speaker 3: That's disgusting. But how does a kid know?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, look, I think first of all, awareness

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01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 14: and that's probably a terrible answer, but awareness is huge.

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Speaker 14: And I think that you know, we don't. We covered

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Speaker 14: this last time I was on too. I think that like,

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01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 14: we don't know what we don't know?

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Speaker 15: Right, We did not grow up with this stuff. So

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Speaker 15: for us to just assume, like the last you.

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Speaker 14: Know segment with with Megan, and for us to just

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Speaker 14: assume that kids can go play video games and they

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01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 14: can play them with thousands of other people is not

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01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 14: the normal thing to just assume that.

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Speaker 15: So, so we don't we need to be gentle with ourselves.

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Speaker 14: But I think the I think we've really shifted from

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Speaker 14: like being an ostrich and burying our head in the

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01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 14: sand and being like please go away, please go away,

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Speaker 14: Like if I don't pay attention, maybe it'll just stop,

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01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 14: to like, Okay, we got to roll our sleeves up.

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Speaker 14: We gotta get dirty here, and we've got to learn

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Speaker 14: enough about this so that we can help younger generations

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Speaker 14: and older generations be safer and better about this stuff

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Speaker 14: now that we know what we know exactly.

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Speaker 4: And I had a follow up from last segment, so

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Speaker 4: you had mentioned, you know, some of the warning signs

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Speaker 4: if they're being quote sneaky, Well, no one was sneakier

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Speaker 4: than me as a teenager, and lots of them are.

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Speaker 4: So how how do you take those multiple interactions?

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Speaker 3: Believe it you were perfect? I jump in and disagree.

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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 3: I'm very saying you were an angel on a pedestal.

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01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 3: Don't sell yourself short.

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Speaker 4: But you know, with those micro interactions, how do you

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01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 4: not blow them up and make your kid go sort

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Speaker 4: of further and deeper away from you?

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Speaker 3: That makes sense?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, I think this is always this is

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Speaker 14: this is all the advice that I give about parenting

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Speaker 14: through this stuff, which by the way, I'm doing myself right.

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Speaker 14: But all the advice that I give parenting through this

1451
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 14: stuff is thought that, like, generations of parents have always

1452
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 14: had to do right, whether it was like drinking or

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Speaker 14: drugs or sex or whatever, Like, how do I know

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Speaker 14: that my child wasn't sneaking drinking or sneaking smoking or like?

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01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 14: And how do we dig deeper without making them be

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Speaker 14: sneakier about it? And so this is just in a

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Speaker 14: different space, right, Not that that makes us feel any better,

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01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 14: because it's a largely unknown space. But I think we

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01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 14: have to really as parents, trust our gut and know

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Speaker 14: that when something feels off, to ask and to ask

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Speaker 14: questions and to look a little bit further. Thank goodness

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Speaker 14: Megan did, because that revealed a really potentially important issue.

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Speaker 14: So I think following our intuition is really important. And

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Speaker 14: I also want. One tool that I use as a

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Speaker 14: parent a lot is to admit that that we don't know, right, Like,

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Speaker 14: don't I didn't grow up with this stuff. I don't know,

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Speaker 14: So I apologize if I thought that you were sneaking A,

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Speaker 14: B and C, or like, maybe I need to look

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Speaker 14: a little bit further because I don't know how this

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Speaker 14: works and this. I did not grow up with this stuff.

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Speaker 14: And I'm doing it not because I think you're lying

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Speaker 14: and because I think you're horrible and terrible, but because

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Speaker 14: I need to pay attention to this stuff. And that's

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Speaker 14: my job as a parent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, boy, incredibly well said I. Actually there's a

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Speaker 4: DM then that someone said specifically for you, Katie. And

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Speaker 4: this is from Deanna. Hi, ladies, mom from Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 4: My son came to me with an issue at age seventeen.

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Speaker 4: Someone claimed they had tapped it into his computer and

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Speaker 4: taken pictures of him naked, and we're going to send

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Speaker 4: the photos to everyone on his friend's list.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: He was so desperate he was trying to create a

1485
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Speaker 4: Venmo account to pay them.

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Speaker 3: Instead, he came to me. We called the authorities.

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Speaker 4: They have an Internet crimes unit and traced it to Indonesia.

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01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 4: The officer asshured us this is a common hoax that

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Speaker 4: takes place in our area. Fast forward three years, my

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Speaker 4: daughter came to me with another hoax. A guy wanted

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Speaker 4: her to cash a check for him and send her

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Speaker 4: the money. She told me she knew it was wrong,

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Speaker 4: but he was talking to her for quite a long time,

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Speaker 4: and they had built up trust. We called reported the

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Speaker 4: authorities again because she was eighteen, she was contacted. That

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Speaker 4: was also confirmed as a hoax, and they already were aware.

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Speaker 4: But this happened for a second time, and the mother says,

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Speaker 4: thank goodness, my kids came to me. It still scares her.

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Speaker 4: Technology grows faster than the comprehension.

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Speaker 6: So what I get from that is the family was

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Speaker 6: aware of hoaxes and fell for another one. So it

1502
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 6: don't be ashamed. If you're falling for something, right, go

1503
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:56,799
Speaker 6: to somebody they trust.

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Speaker 2: Have to say it out loud, like yeah, I have

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Speaker 2: to say that passing the biggest sucker of all of us.

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01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 2: I can't phone. If the phone was ringing right now,

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Speaker 2: I would probably be falling for a hoax like that.

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01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 2: Is they're trained to actually make you get sucked in,

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Speaker 2: or they're using an AI voice. I feel so saying

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Speaker 2: I'm in trouble.

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Speaker 6: He was seventeen and he's worried his nude photos from

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Speaker 6: his hack computers. He's trying to create a venmo with

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Speaker 6: this poor.

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Speaker 4: Kid, right, So, Katie and something that's escalated and elevated.

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Speaker 4: Any any tips in this atrocity atrocity.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, although I'm gonna make it worse before I make

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01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 14: it better. Okay, I there, aren't you glad you had

1518
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:47,679
Speaker 14: me on always? I had a truly a personal good

1519
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 14: friend of ours who's in his sixties. The same exact

1520
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 14: thing happened to this sixty year old man with grown children.

1521
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 14: They were like, oh, we took a picture of you,

1522
01:23:58,720 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 14: it's nude.

1523
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 11: This guy up losing.

1524
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 15: Tens of thousands of dollars.

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01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 14: Oh no, because he was worried that his family was

1526
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 14: going to know. I mean, this is someone I know

1527
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,759
Speaker 14: personally right now. It's sad when you were telling this story,

1528
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 14: is all I could think to myself. And again, Harry,

1529
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 14: I'm making it worse before I make it better. Is

1530
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 14: if I had a penny for every story like this

1531
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 14: I heard young and old like, I'd be rich. And

1532
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 14: that's really sad, right, that's really unfortunate to hear. And

1533
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 14: I get so worried about older people too as much

1534
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 14: as I do younger people falling victim to these type

1535
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 14: of things. So like, head on a swibol, lad Ladies

1536
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 14: like we are officially the Sandwich generation. Who needs story

1537
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 14: about our like moms and dads and aunts and uncles

1538
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 14: and our children at the same time.

1539
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 15: So drink up.

1540
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, so yeah. I think one of the things

1541
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 14: is transparency out of the gate. Like I've been talking

1542
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 14: to my kids about this since they were little little kids,

1543
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 14: and every time something new comes up, like AI voices

1544
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 14: were being used or whatever, is another sad yet really

1545
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 14: important reality to talk about in a non scary or

1546
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 14: like alarmist way. Right, But oh my gosh, I just

1547
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 14: heard this story, and how scary is it?

1548
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 15: And I think a really big.

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01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 14: Kind of theme that I'm gathering from the m is

1550
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 14: that in thank goodness and this is something just added

1551
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 14: to our parental plate, right, But like that these kids

1552
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 14: felt comfortable at some point going to a parent, and

1553
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 14: I think that that is huge, right, that we need

1554
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,600
Speaker 14: to let our kids know that there's some stuff that

1555
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 14: goes on online and in life in general.

1556
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 11: Right.

1557
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 14: But if you have any questions, I always say I

1558
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 14: talk to a lot of young younger like elementary school

1559
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,759
Speaker 14: kids as much as I talked to college kids about

1560
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 14: this stuff. And one of the things I always say,

1561
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 14: and this is impactful. I think to my seventy year

1562
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 14: old aunt, who I'm worried is gonna like give away

1563
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 14: my inheritance to a Nigerian prince and I talk to

1564
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 14: the like elementary school kids, I say, you know that's

1565
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 14: that's that stomach feeling, that feeling you get in your

1566
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 14: stomach like something's a little weird, something doesn't feel right.

1567
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 15: Listen to that.

1568
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 14: And when you feel that, you come to me and

1569
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 14: you ask me questions and I'm here for it. So

1570
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 14: I think that that is huge and we'll learn together.

1571
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 14: And maybe I don't have all the answers, but like,

1572
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 14: we're going to figure this out, and you come to

1573
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 14: me if anything goes on. So I think every single

1574
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 14: time I can turn this into a teachable moment with

1575
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,759
Speaker 14: my kids or the people that I speak to is

1576
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 14: a really important opportunity. As kind of scary and daunting

1577
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 14: as that may be, this is how the more information

1578
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 14: our kids have, our older generations have the better.

1579
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 2: How scary is that feeling? You all remember it? I

1580
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 2: remember it so well, Oh my god, I'm going to

1581
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 2: get my parents are going to kill me, which they

1582
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 2: of course were not, or I'm going to be in

1583
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 2: so much trouble or or or and those are small things.

1584
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 2: I look back on the things that I was like,

1585
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 2: this is so scary. None of it was that scary.

1586
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 2: This actually is very scary. So, you know, just sort

1587
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 2: of opening that line of communication, my heart goes out

1588
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 2: because it is tough out there. Communication is hard for

1589
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 2: any of us, let alone if you think you're gonna

1590
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 2: get in trouble.

1591
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is true crime tonight.

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01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 4: And we are here with Katie Greer, who is an

1593
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 4: Internet expert, and she is helping all of us with

1594
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 4: what feels really terrifying. But you know, she said earlier,

1595
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 4: we can't put our heads in the sand. If you

1596
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 4: have questions for Katie, give us a call eighty to eighty

1597
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 4: three to one Crime. So I have a question. Are

1598
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 4: there any nuns and bolts for teens? Are there monitoring

1599
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 4: apps that you particularly like? Our Bark Alerts something you

1600
01:27:54,439 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 4: subscribe to. What are your thoughts.

1601
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 14: So for for parents trying to keep track of this stuff?

1602
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,719
Speaker 14: There are a ton of things out there, right. There's

1603
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 14: apps that are I'm sorry, there are parental controls that

1604
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 14: are on our devices as is, and then there's also

1605
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 14: ones that you can buy. And there's Bark, there's Life

1606
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 14: three sixty. Oh gosh, I'm forgetting the other one. But

1607
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 14: there's there's a couple of these out here. Here's the

1608
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 14: good news. I think that they're good tools, that they

1609
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 14: can be helpful, and that they can kind of make

1610
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 14: things a little bit simpler for us. Here's the not

1611
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 14: great news. For every great like tool or app or

1612
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 14: monitoring or parental control that there is out there, there's

1613
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 14: an adorable twelve year old on YouTube being like, my

1614
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 14: parents use this, and this is how I get around it.

1615
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 11: Right.

1616
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 14: So it's like the constant cat and mouse game, right

1617
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,759
Speaker 14: when when when do we find a solution? We figure

1618
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,640
Speaker 14: this one thing out and then someone figures out a

1619
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 14: way around it. Right, So I I this is such

1620
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 14: a again like a cheesy and frustrating answer, but like

1621
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 14: it is communicating. Parents are the first line of defense.

1622
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 14: Nothing is going to fix you or me being up

1623
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 14: in our kids business, being involved in this stuff.

1624
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 15: And I get that that's daunting.

1625
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 14: Look, I'm a single mom, I'm running a company, I'm

1626
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 14: finishing a degree. I'm trying to raise two kids and

1627
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 14: keep them out of prison. Like I you know, I am.

1628
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 14: I get it. It's just a couple more things on

1629
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 14: our list, but like we have to wear it where it.

1630
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 14: If there was some magic pool, I would have told

1631
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 14: y'all the first time we ever talked, and you'd never

1632
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 14: need be again.

1633
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 4: Right, No, But I like how you kind of put

1634
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 4: it that it is a little bit the same thing

1635
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 4: of it's always whether it was the drinking of our

1636
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 4: parents or you know that it is.

1637
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 2: The song doesn't exist, the television didn't make exist, like

1638
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 2: there are generationally, there have been big things that we

1639
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 2: were not prepared for. So even just hearing that you're

1640
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 2: on the front lines in a non judgmental space of like, look,

1641
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 2: I'm keeping down the fort I'm just trying to make

1642
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 2: the world go around and keep us all safe, it

1643
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 2: is so reassuring and relatable.

1644
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think we need to give ourselves some grace, right. Like, Also, COVID,

1645
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 14: like we said earlier, made this a bajillion times. It's

1646
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 14: crazier because we all went to devices immediately and younger

1647
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 14: and social media, and so I think when we thought

1648
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 14: the world was ending, like we didn't know what was

1649
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 14: going to happen, right, we all went to this and

1650
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,719
Speaker 14: now we're learning about what it does to our brains

1651
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 14: and our bodies. The AI and catfishing and it's a lot,

1652
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:42,639
Speaker 14: so like, take a deep breath, We're doing the best

1653
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 14: we can. It takes a village, right, you could not

1654
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 14: do that is a thing, So I think that's really important.

1655
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 2: Does our killage got bit bigger because of the Internet,

1656
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 2: So maybe that's not even a bad thing. So we're

1657
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 2: all hearing it. There's tools and like, listen, we can

1658
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 2: beat this system. I know we can because we are

1659
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: stronger together with the information. And Katie, by the way,

1660
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 2: you are a stud shere walking the talk. You are

1661
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 2: bringing it to us real and honestly, I hope you

1662
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 2: come back every week.

1663
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1664
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 6: So Katie started as an internet safety keynote speaker. She

1665
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 6: started out at the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office, where as

1666
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 6: the Director of Internet Safety, she was directly involved with

1667
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 6: the development of one of the first Internet safety programs ever.

1668
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 6: So listen, she is a stud Yeah, Like she reals

1669
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 6: what she's talking about. So she's not like we didn't

1670
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 6: just pull her from the streets, right, Like she knows

1671
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 6: what she's talking about. She does this full time. This

1672
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 6: is her company. From there, she transitioned into working with

1673
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 6: the Massachusetts State Police. You guys know that we're obsessed

1674
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 6: with Massachusetts. She and this is where she's this is

1675
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 6: where she gets her her guns from right this in

1676
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:00,719
Speaker 6: her gritty I just think of this gritty like office

1677
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 6: and she's like, this is what we're going to do

1678
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 6: to protect kids, and she develops this Internet safety program.

1679
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 3: You know, I have these stories in my head that

1680
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 3: I make up. But she really is a stud.

1681
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 6: She is now pursuing a PhD in criminology with an

1682
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,919
Speaker 6: exploration on teens in the Internet.

1683
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 3: She's gonna be famous.

1684
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 6: She really is qualified. So she really is qualified. She

1685
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 6: knows what she's talking about. So we really thank you

1686
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,440
Speaker 6: so much for being on the You are sod.

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01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 4: To you with please please come back and if anyone

1688
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 4: wants more information, Katie is at kl Greer Consulting, Katie L.

1689
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 4: Greer Instagram, TikTok and x and kl Greer Consulting on Facebook.

1690
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 3: We will see you when next year. Grace is with

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01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 3: your presence.

1692
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 4: Thank you True Crime Tonight, everybody have a great night.

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01:32:48,160 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 5: Bye everybody. Two