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Speaker 1: Warning this podcast he'd spoilers for Star Wars Rebels kind of,

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Speaker 1: as well as a discussion of lots of horror, sci fi, fantasy,

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Speaker 1: book shows, movies, and more. Hello. My name is Jason

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Speaker 1: Vitepsion and I'm Eersey Night, and welcome for the final

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Speaker 1: time to x ray Vision, the Cricket Media podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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Speaker 2: One last time. In this episode, ride one last Ride

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Speaker 2: in the air. Look, it's a giant mail bag where

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Speaker 2: we're clearing out the mailbag of all the best questions

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Speaker 2: answer and a few new ones that you sent to

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Speaker 2: and in nerd out. This is a great final nerd

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Speaker 2: so important to our pod, to our disco community is

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Speaker 2: h the co host of the Escape Hatch podcast formerly

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Speaker 2: known as June Pod, and he's gonna be nerding out

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Speaker 1: Mailbag. First question from JM what are some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite image or other independent comics. Have either of you

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Speaker 1: read The Department of Truth by James Tinian four. I

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Speaker 2: Any thoughts my favorite image comics, man, there are so many,

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Speaker 2: I am very I have a very big soft spot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great stuff. There's so many good image comics.

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Speaker 2: I had seen Batman eighty nine, it's actually like one

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Speaker 2: of my earliest memories is watching it when I was

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Speaker 2: like two, but Batman Returns was like I was a

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Speaker 2: young goth like. I loved it. It has all these characters.

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Speaker 2: I love, Michelle Fiffer's obviously iconic, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: probably the one. I go back to a lot and

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Speaker 2: I think about a lot like what would a Batman

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Speaker 2: Returns comic book look like?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What would these what would the kind of stories I

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Speaker 2: would want to tell in that world? And it has

444
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Speaker 2: such an unbelievable cast. So I think for me, if

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Speaker 2: I had to pick, it would be that one. But

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Speaker 2: I hate to pick because it's really a spectrum. What

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Speaker 2: about you.

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Speaker 1: I think for me it would be probably the first

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Speaker 1: Avengers movie. That's not it. I don't even think that's

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Speaker 1: the best MCU movie. But I couldn't believe that they

451
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Speaker 1: had done it, they had done it really well, and

452
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Speaker 1: that every character somehow had this really emotional arc that worked. Uh.

453
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Speaker 1: And you know when Banner says I'm always angry, it's

454
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Speaker 1: just like a fucking rush.

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Speaker 2: Three sixty shot of them all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awesome, and that was sitting in the

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Speaker 1: theater for that was like a mind blowing experience. I

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Speaker 1: would probably be a tie with that and Winter Soldier

459
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Speaker 1: just because in the winter, so I just love Winter Soldier.

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Speaker 1: The Elevator Fight for me is the Topelieree mc moment ever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Eric osks he's been reading The Black Tongue

462
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Speaker 2: Thief based on Jason's recommendation and he absolutely loves it, says,

463
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Speaker 2: I'm sure this has come up previously. Any other suggestions

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Speaker 2: of similar novels worth my time? And then he has

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Speaker 2: a second do you guys? So he's he asked me specifically,

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Speaker 2: like what are the best under the radar horror books

467
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Speaker 2: to check out? I do read a lot of horror.

468
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Speaker 2: I would recommend. I don't know how under the radar

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Speaker 2: a these are, but like I love Riley Sega, Like

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Speaker 2: if you haven't read any of his books, he made this.

471
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Speaker 2: He wrote this book called Final Girls, which is probably

472
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Speaker 2: one of my favorites, which is like set in the

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Speaker 2: world of Slashers. He's done multiple different books and each

474
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Speaker 2: one is kind of a playing on like a horror trope.

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Speaker 2: He did like a Haunted House book, like kind of

476
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Speaker 2: an inspired by Amateurville, and they all sit in like

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Speaker 2: a mystery horror space. I've also would say, if you've

478
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Speaker 2: never read Clive Barker's books of Blood. They're actually really

479
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Speaker 2: easy to get now, and those are so unreal, Like,

480
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Speaker 2: you will read those stories and whether you're a reader

481
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Speaker 2: or a storyteller, you will got Oh my fucking god,

482
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Speaker 2: I've never read anything like this, and it makes you

483
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Speaker 2: want to tell crazy stories. I mean, I love horror.

484
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Speaker 2: I actually wrote a horror list at IGN as well

485
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Speaker 2: that we can we can link back to because there's

486
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Speaker 2: always so many different brilliant books out there. I also

487
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Speaker 2: love anything by Read Jew. She has a new book

488
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Speaker 2: out soon called The Reformatory. I've been reading a lot

489
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Speaker 2: of dark Academia recently. It's brilliant. Yeah, so check those out. Also,

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Speaker 2: I would say I read a really great book that

491
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Speaker 2: if you love horror, is worth reading called The Black

492
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Speaker 2: Guy Dies First, and it is by a really brilliant

493
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Speaker 2: woman called doctor Robin Armines Coleman and an author called

494
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Speaker 2: Mark Harris. And it's this really fun academic history of

495
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Speaker 2: horror and like blackness in horror, but it's put together

496
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Speaker 2: in such an unbelievably readable way, and if you're a

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Speaker 2: horror fan, you will just love it. Like I recommend

498
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Speaker 2: it to people when they ask me for horror books

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Speaker 2: because it makes such a good companion piece to those books. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: those are just some of them, but there's there's so

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Speaker 2: many good ones, Jason, is there any more kind of

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Speaker 2: like fantasy books in the Vein of Black Tongue Thief

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Speaker 2: that you love.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll say some horror stuff. This is definitely not

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Speaker 1: under the radar Stephen King, but he.

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Speaker 2: Does have many books.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My favorite, like when I was a kid that

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Speaker 1: my favorite thing that Stephen King wrote was a collection

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Speaker 1: of short stories called Night Shit. I think it is

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Speaker 1: his first collection of short stories and it's a bunch

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Speaker 1: of stories that appeared when he was a freelancer in

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Speaker 1: various men's magazines, including Cavalier, Ubers, Penthouse, you know, like

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Speaker 1: lad mags of the Day, and it is really gritty,

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Speaker 1: scary stuff, and I just remember, you know, it's very

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Speaker 1: rare that I actually get scared. Part of the reason

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Speaker 1: that I like horror movies is like I can watch

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Speaker 1: them in the middle of the night just I enjoy them,

518
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Speaker 1: but they don't really scare me. I got really scared

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Speaker 1: by this book, Jerusalem's Love and all almost all of

520
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Speaker 1: these stories have been adapted into stuff. So it opens

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Speaker 1: with Jerusalem's Lot, which is the vampire story that then

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Speaker 1: became a vampire I believe TV mini series starring David

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Speaker 1: Soul really scary about this guy who like inherits this

524
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Speaker 1: like mansion that then has creepy sounds and things happening

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Speaker 1: inside of it is probably vampires living in the basement.

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Speaker 1: Graveyard Shift, which was I think was also adapted, and

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Speaker 1: I Forget Where Night Surf, which is like super trivia.

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Speaker 1: This is like a lot of this stuff is like

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Speaker 1: Stephen King's drug phase. I Am The Doorway, which like

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Speaker 1: is I think still one of the great like teleportation

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Speaker 1: stories of all the time. Trucks which became Maximum Overdrive.

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Speaker 1: Strawberry Spring, which to this day I find one of

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Speaker 1: the absolute scariest reads ever about. I don't want to

534
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Speaker 1: spoil it, but it's about a series of serial killings

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Speaker 1: that happen in and around a college campus when the

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Speaker 1: fog of a of a you know, kind of like

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Speaker 1: late summer rain or over the university, and it is

538
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Speaker 1: really mind melting and scary. The Ledge, which is just

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Speaker 1: one of the many stories from this that got adapted

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Speaker 1: for the horror anthology The Cats. I if anybody lawnmore

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Speaker 1: Man which became The Running Men starring Arnold Schwarzenegger Quitters Incorporated.

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Speaker 1: That's another Cat's Eye one. Children of the Court, which

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Speaker 1: game a long running and it's been very, very campy

544
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Speaker 1: movie series about a town in which, like you know,

545
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Speaker 1: all the adults are murdered, just like great, great, great

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Speaker 1: great and really really scary. Check it out. Chris asks,

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Speaker 1: who is the chosen one? Luca Anakin, I think they're

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Speaker 1: very I think the prophecies are very clear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I personally, I'm like a I spent so much

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Speaker 2: time in this world that I'm kind of like a

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Speaker 2: prophecy hater at this point. I feel like prophecies can

552
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Speaker 2: always be misread or re read or reconstrued. I believe

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Speaker 2: that they probably will keep finding a chosen one, I

554
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Speaker 2: think when to fit their needs. That's kind of the

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Speaker 2: problem with prophecies. But Jason, I believe you have a

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Speaker 2: more distinct belief on this one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's I think is a chosen one.

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Speaker 1: I think that the prophecies were pretty clear, and I

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Speaker 1: think he did bring balance to the force. Now, like

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Speaker 1: all prophecies worth their salt, there is a ton of

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Speaker 1: context that is missing from the prophecy that detail how

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Speaker 1: exactly you get to that point. But I think it's Anakin.

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Speaker 1: I think it's clearly Anakin.

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Speaker 2: I like the angle. He definitely did bring balance to Force.

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Speaker 2: It was just like what fucking costs? Yes, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: Another Star Wars question. JG asks over Under on one

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Speaker 2: great Star Wars movie in the next decade. Do you

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Speaker 2: think it's possible?

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Speaker 1: Great, that's the subjectiveness of it. This decade, So we

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Speaker 1: have another, let's.

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Speaker 2: Call it in the next decade. So we've got ten years, so.

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Speaker 1: We do have ten Yeah, well yeah, I think yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think so. I think the truth is that there

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Speaker 2: will be some unique, interesting take, whether it's your four

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand years ago at the beginning of the Force,

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Speaker 2: whether it's some slightly lower budget Western inspired Star Wars movie,

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Speaker 2: whether it's a Pixar Droids movie. I just think there's

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Speaker 2: so much scope, and it feels unlikely at the moment

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Speaker 2: because they have struggled to find the right thing. But

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Speaker 2: I believe that there will be a great Star Wars

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Speaker 2: movie in the next decade, because there tends to be.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a cycle. It will happen.

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Speaker 1: One more short story, Mary gateskill wrote a story called

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Speaker 1: The Other Place that appeared in The New Yorker maybe

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Speaker 1: ten or twelve years ago. That is nothing bad happens

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Speaker 1: in it, but it is really really scary from the

587
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Speaker 1: perspective of It's written from the perspective of an adult

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Speaker 1: who has a kid who is displaying the same kind

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Speaker 1: of violent fantasies that he had when he was a

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Speaker 1: younger man. And it terrified me, okayly terrified me.

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Speaker 2: And in that case, I just actually need to say,

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Speaker 2: I believe this is under the radar. If you don't

593
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Speaker 2: randomly read like old horror shit, I would say read

594
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Speaker 2: Shirlie Jackson's The Lottery, also published in The New Yorker.

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Speaker 2: You can literally read it on the New York website.

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Speaker 2: They have that sha ark that will terrify you. It

597
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Speaker 2: will also make you so unbelievably furious that you have

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Speaker 2: never come up with something so simple, and then take

599
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Speaker 2: a great joy in reading all the letters that were

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Speaker 2: written about that story when it was first published. Is

601
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Speaker 2: probably my favorite horror story ever, and I live to

602
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Speaker 2: create something that is just so unbelievably unsettling.

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Speaker 1: Rebecca asks GENI. Survivor spoilers here. Spoilers boiler spoiler Wanning,

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Speaker 1: I can't help but think about how similar passing through

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Speaker 1: the Abysses two thousand and one Space Odyssey slash Interstellar,

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Speaker 1: any inter dimensional travel in sci fi pop culture. Does

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Speaker 1: anyone think Disney is trying to plant a multiverse seed here?

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Speaker 1: I mean you could argue, oh, what a person Chris

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Speaker 1: of the Rebels Ahsoka question plugiers. I think the stuff

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Speaker 1: that happens at the end of Rebels very very very

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Speaker 1: very clearly seeds the idea of maybe a multiverse in

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Speaker 1: Star Wars. All of which is to say, Rebecca, I

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Speaker 1: agree with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with you. And I think that

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Speaker 2: looking at like Dag and Jarah and the idea of

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Speaker 2: like how long people can survive in this space, I

617
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Speaker 2: think that there is a multiverse is always a foot

618
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Speaker 2: especially because, as we know from the history of storytelling,

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Speaker 2: that is where you get the freedom to tell all

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Speaker 2: kinds of stories and then bring in what you want

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Speaker 2: in a way. Star Wars is already working with that,

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Speaker 2: with the way that they bring in the expanded universe

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Speaker 2: and legends and kind of canonize and decanonize them. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think Rebecca, you are correct. A asks I can

625
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Speaker 2: sometimes be a bit burnt out from surfing the waves

626
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Speaker 2: of the big ip content ocean, can't. We all would

627
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Speaker 2: love to hear from you both what you think of

628
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Speaker 2: some of the best stand alone original story genre films

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Speaker 2: or shows that may have gotten lost in this plethora

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Speaker 2: in the last few years and need more appreciation. I

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Speaker 2: love all these horror questions, same, Jason Jeviny, Immediate things

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Speaker 2: that stand out indie horror movies, shows that might not

633
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Speaker 2: have gotten the love they deserve.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've been telling you. Here's a movie that I've

635
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Speaker 1: been talking about to you guys that I haven't mentioned

636
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Speaker 1: on the pod. George Miller of Mad Max of bib

637
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Speaker 1: Big released a movie Couple Man, I'm Wanna Say You're

638
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Speaker 1: Go and a half a couple of years ago, starring

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Speaker 1: adri Selber. Until the Swinton title one Thousand Years of

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Speaker 1: a Longing, I almost say so, I almost like you do.

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Speaker 1: And it's fucking great. It's great. Go see it. It's

642
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: about a woman who unleashes a genie and the relationship

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Speaker 1: they have, and it's a lot about it's honestly just

644
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Speaker 1: like a story about storytelling and how we create, how

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Speaker 1: we turn our lives into a story, how we can

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Speaker 1: turn it into the story that we want to hear

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Speaker 1: and see. It's really wonderful and I loved it a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mine would be I think I have recommended this

649
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: before on the podcast, but if I think it was

650
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: because Jeff passed away sadly. But there is a movie

651
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 2: that I just adore that's up there with my favorite

652
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: horror movies of all time. It's called Blood Quantum. It

653
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: was written and directed by Jeff Barnaby. It's a twenty

654
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: nineteen like Canadian horror movie and it's basically about a

655
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 2: zombie apocalypse that happens in Canada and then what if.

656
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: And it's like, what if the indigenous community in the

657
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: Mickmac community were not infected and what if everyone else was?

658
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: And it's so so good. It's furious, it's angry. It

659
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 2: has a brilliant cast, including kde Every Jacobs from Reservoir Dogs,

660
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 2: Michael gray Eyes who's like an absolute legend. But it's

661
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: like so good and it is just like I would

662
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: love to see it at the movie theater. It was

663
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: only ever on Shutter, so I never got to. But

664
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Speaker 2: it is just like gory, fast paced, like brilliant shutter

665
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 2: is really good for that kind of stuff. They also

666
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: had a show that I was really into that came out.

667
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: It's so good and it kicked documentaries.

668
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're a fannal documentary.

669
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Speaker 1: Watch the documentaries about horror on Shutter They're so good.

670
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like they did a show that I

671
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: also really loved. There was a New Zealand show, an

672
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: other indigenous show called The dead Lands, and it was

673
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: like it's a little bit more zena ish even though

674
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: it's not as serious, but it's still kind of gory

675
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: and it's about a warrior who has to get like

676
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: sent back into the dead lands and they come back

677
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: from the afterlife to kind of find redemption. And that

678
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: is just so good. Like if you like fantasy and horror,

679
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: that's just such a good show. And both of those

680
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: I think are up there for stuff that should have

681
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: gotten a lot more shout outs. And I mean, if

682
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: you wanted to watch Prey and then watch Blood Quantum,

683
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: I think you would be having a really special double

684
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: bill of really great indigenous genre horror.

685
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Speaker 1: Rob Asks Suit Division was a mess on both the

686
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: micro and macro levels. Which megafranchise do you think will

687
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: be the first to decanonize an existing tent pole part

688
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: of the franchise. Allah when EU Star Wars became Legends. Wow,

689
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Speaker 1: I think, well, this is interesting.

690
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: I think this is a really big question. I think

691
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Speaker 2: it's a good question to ask. I also think.

692
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Speaker 1: The Star Wars not count because either do.

693
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Speaker 2: It in a way they're already doing it because think

694
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Speaker 2: of something like Agents of Shield that was emc U canon,

695
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: it was sold as emc U canon. Caang, it's about

696
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: to happen, baby. I just don't think they're gonna do it.

697
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: I think we're moved past the time of like somebody

698
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: from corporate saying we on, this is no longer can

699
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: like they did never happened. That made people. That makes

700
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: people angry. It makes fans feel like they invested their

701
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: time in something that isn't worthwhile or doesn't matter. So

702
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: I think we're more in a space where it's going

703
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 2: to be kind of like we talked about this before

704
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: for Dark World, a lot of that felt like it

705
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: wasn't really important until they made it important again. And

706
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: I think rather than decanonizing anything definitively, you're gonna be

707
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 2: in a space where something like Agents of Shield, they

708
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: had the dark Hold, and they used a different one

709
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: in the new movies. They had morgana the Faye, but

710
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: they they gonna She's gonna be a different character, you know.

711
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: Like it's very interesting, but I think they're kind of

712
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: already doing it. They're just not And as as Rob

713
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 2: greatly points out here, he says, all will studios just say, oh,

714
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 2: it's a different timeline. Yeah, I think that's the same thing.

715
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Speaker 1: Along those lines. I do think it is very possible,

716
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Speaker 1: considering the kind of structural issues that the MCU has

717
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: with with they're kind of original stars on the way

718
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: out or largely having left already, and the ongoing superhero fatigue.

719
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: There's kind of beset culture. I do think that there

720
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: is like a non zero chance that the MCU is

721
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Speaker 1: just like kills everybody, go yeah, just comes and kills

722
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Speaker 1: everybody after Fantastic Four and they restart the whole thing.

723
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Speaker 2: Also, because if you're smart, in my opinion, the X

724
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: Men movies, the x Men universe that they inevitably lead

725
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: to under Marvel Studios doesn't need to be part of

726
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: the MCU. That's just x Men, you know what I mean.

727
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: The MCU can be done. So I agree with you

728
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Speaker 2: I think that's really real.

729
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: X Ray Vision will be back and we're back.

730
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Speaker 2: Okay. Ronan the Key asks what's the best fan theory

731
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: or wish this was true for you?

732
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: Well, this actually might be true, but I'm gonna say

733
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: that that Polly betrayed Tony at the end of The

734
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: Sopranos and was the one who ordered Slash engineered the

735
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: what is clearly a David Various David Chase comments have

736
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: made it clear that Tony does die at the end

737
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: of The Sopranos, and there had been for many years

738
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: now has been an active theory that, because of certain

739
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: conversations that happened, and including one outside of Centril's, that

740
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: Paully is the guy who basically pushed the button to

741
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Speaker 1: make it happen, and you know, made a deal with

742
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Speaker 1: New York so that he would then take over the family.

743
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Speaker 1: And I have always found it really compelling and I

744
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: continue to find it compelling, and I hope it's true.

745
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: What about you?

746
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

747
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: I love that mine is. This is like a movie

748
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: pitch that felt very realistic for a little while, but

749
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: is inevitably never going to happen. This was a Comic

750
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: Shop favorite conversation when I was still working in the shop,

751
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Speaker 2: and it was the idea that you would do a

752
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: Fantastic Four movie and you would have Tiker probably as

753
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: the kind of years went on directing and playing mister Fantastic,

754
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: and it would begin in the sixties and be like

755
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: an out there kind of Tiger style party, and then

756
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: you move them to the present MCU as like a

757
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: fish out of water tail after they've been in the

758
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: negative zone. That came up so many times as just

759
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: something that like friends said or that I would think about,

760
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: and then multiple people started and I think when Matt

761
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: Shackman first got kind of connected to it, that was

762
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: the theory of like what the movie might be about.

763
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Speaker 2: I don't think they'll do that. I think that the

764
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: Fantastic Four will exist in their own space. But I

765
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: really would have loved to see that kind of like

766
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: swinging sixties Fantastic four and then thrown into a fish

767
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: out of water scenario.

768
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Speaker 1: That would be really really why.

769
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Speaker 2: I still think it's the best way to do it,

770
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: and I wish we hadn't kind of missed the boat

771
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: for Tiger being the right person on that. But yeah,

772
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: that was that's mine that I think about a lot Okay,

773
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Speaker 2: Jan and Nil nineteen eighty two asks what is the

774
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 2: next Barbenheimer and why is it not Saw Patrol?

775
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: Okay, sow Patrol for those of you who are not

776
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: online enough, is the idea that much like the Barbenheimer phenomenon,

777
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: Saw X.

778
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: I believe it, Yes, it is the tenth Saw movies, Saw.

779
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: X and the paw Patrol supercre movie will then combine

780
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Speaker 1: to create this you know, cinema going weekend event called

781
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: Saw Patrol. Uh. Honestly, like, in terms of the label.

782
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lab well, I think that's the thing.

783
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: It's the titling is so good. I will say, culturally,

784
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: outside of America, this is a lot harder to do

785
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: because I don't know how many people know the ins

786
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: and outs of movie rating systems, but our ratings are

787
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: very very unique. In England, for example, Saw will be

788
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: rated eighteen and no one under eighteen will be able

789
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: to go and see it, So I think that cuts

790
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: off a little bit of the accessibility of Barbenheimer, where

791
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: a lot of people could go and see both. Though

792
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: actually Oppenheimer was al rated, so maybe I'm wrong. Is

793
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: the crossover as large for a animated kids movie trying

794
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: to get rid of the coppaganda of the cartoon and

795
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: turn them into superheroes. And a prequel about Jigsaw getting

796
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: scammed by a cancer treatment unit so he decides to

797
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: kill them. All sounds like I would watch it, By

798
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: the way, I don't know, but I do. I like.

799
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: I don't like studios trying to recreate this, but I

800
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: do like how much fun people are having putting these

801
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: things together. And Saw Patrol is just it works so

802
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: well in the name, like you just can't you can't

803
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: hate it. But what will the next one be? We

804
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: will never know, and it will happen and it will

805
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: be so random and we'll all be in shock. Though,

806
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: if you go and see por Patrol and Saw X

807
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: on the same day, please tell us.

808
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: Gosh, uh, I'm just like picking one at random. It's

809
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: if they're gonna do it. Here's the movies that I

810
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: think you could possibly do it with as the kind

811
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: of uh as the more serious version of the movie,

812
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: like the Oppenheimer in this formulation. I think you could

813
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: do it with Dune Part two. I think you could

814
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: do it with and It just again requires that other movie.

815
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: I think you could do it with The Hunger Games,

816
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. Yeah, honestly, Hunger Trolls.

817
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: I think Patrol.

818
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: Is good. The Trolls is good, especially because Trolls is

819
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: a musical. Yeah. And also the new Hunger Games movie

820
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: is like an insane like retro futuristic steam punk movie,

821
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: so they're very different.

822
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: I like that Napoleon. I've come to you to say

823
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: it can happen Napoleon. How about this Napoleo. So it's

824
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: Napoleon and Leo starring Adam Sandler.

825
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, that's the one, because that's fast as fuck.

826
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: So the movie and the week would call would be

827
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: called Napoleo.

828
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: Wow. Ridley Scott, listen to that one. Get make it

829
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Speaker 2: happen baby? Okay.

830
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: Bertolt mech asks thoughts on the Health Fire Gala and

831
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: the potential end of the Best X Men status quo,

832
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: since at least Morrison I could argue best, I think

833
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: it is best. I have not read the Health Fire Gala.

834
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Speaker 2: Lisa Rosie, I'm just gonna say I agree. I'm not

835
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Speaker 2: going to do any spoilers and listen out on your

836
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: feeds for when we come back, because the hell Fire

837
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: Gala issue or episode is on it's too long to

838
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: talk about right now, but you're not wrong, and it's

839
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: definitely going to be a conversation we have in the future.

840
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Speaker 1: Sarah asks, why have Marvel movies lost some of their

841
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: sparkle lately? Who? I think, you know, just this is

842
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: naturally what happens.

843
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, transitional phase.

844
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: We're in a transitional phase. There are always going to

845
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: be issues with regards to the you know, the cast leaving,

846
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: and I think clearly they over invested in the space

847
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: yes saturation, which honestly is you could criticize them for this.

848
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: I would argue that every single movie studio that had

849
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: this rocket ship would have exactly done the same thing.

850
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: Where's where is the break even point in the money

851
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: if more money keeps coming out the more we invest, exactly,

852
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: and shouldn't we just keep investing and see how much

853
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: money comes out? Like every This is uh, this is

854
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: the incentive that underpins basically our entire system of doing things.

855
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: But I think this is always going to happen.

856
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you got to remember endgame. You're talking about

857
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: like the biggest movie on Earth. It's going to be

858
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 2: incredibly hard to follow that up, especially when those movies

859
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: had been barreling along at such an unbelievable speed and

860
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: rate of success. I think it was a lack of planning.

861
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: I think it is a slight confusion about what made

862
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: people love the movies. Yeah, and I also think it's

863
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: this transitional phase. How do you follow up the biggest

864
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: movie in the world, as we've seen, it's really really hard.

865
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 2: But that's not to say we haven't had incredible things

866
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: Wonder Vision. I still stand that that is going to

867
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 2: stand for years as just a truly great television series.

868
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: And I think, as we've kind of spoken about before,

869
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: the best thing about this phase, which seems kind of

870
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: messed up and weird and in you know, a lot

871
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: of ebbs and flows, there's going to be a lot

872
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: of cool stuff to kind of wreck on and pull from.

873
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: And also if it leads to other people go in

874
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: and see them movies like Barbie Oppenheimer, Teenager and Ninja Turtles,

875
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: you know, cool like go see other movies, and the

876
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: MCU will still be around. These comics have been around

877
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: for almost one hundred years. The movies are still going

878
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 2: to be here. But yeah, I think it's a lack

879
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: of planning, and I think it's very very hard to

880
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 2: follow up the most successful movie of all time.

881
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: I think it's just very hard. The chase asque what's

882
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: more important for franchise IP satif satisfying old nerds or

883
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: generating new nerds? Wow, interesting existential question.

884
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: I believe it is a balance of both. I think,

885
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: do you have to introduce new audiences? Hence why think

886
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: about Star Wars, think about superhero movies, think about Ninja titles.

887
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: A lot of what they're doing with those movies is

888
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: selling merchandise to children, and that is the children's entry

889
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: point into the movie. I think that making things accessible.

890
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 2: I love the recall model. I love The Force Awakens,

891
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: I love the New Scream movies. I think you can

892
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: do something really fun where you have legacy characters but

893
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: introduce new audiences with new characters. I think the reason

894
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: The Force Awakens was so successful financially is because it

895
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 2: essentially was a retread of what worked well in Star

896
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: Wars as a jumping off point to then something so

897
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: different and incredible like The Last Jedi. I think that

898
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: it's a balance of both. I think there's no harm

899
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: in Easter eggs in fan service. I love those things.

900
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 2: I love seeing a character that. I know, I love

901
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: getting a nod to the source material, but I think

902
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: nothing is going to survive without new audiences. So I

903
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: think it's a balance of both.

904
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right, and I think for an

905
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: example of something that got the balance way wrong, you

906
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: can just look at a movie we recently covered Indian

907
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: Drones and Style of Destiny, which made almost no attempt

908
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: to bring in anyway fans, and it's just kind of

909
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: like a movie the for like senors, I guess, and

910
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: did they like it? You know, it's like not, It's yeah,

911
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you get that balance from mm hmm.

912
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: Okay. Another good thank you super producers all for these combinations,

913
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: because it's another great existential question. My Pneybone good Name asks.

914
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if your mood or state of mind

915
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: affects your viewing experience when you are watching fandom related content.

916
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: Me So like I would say yes, because like, if

917
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 2: I'm in a chill mood and I'm feeling open minded

918
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: and i just want to watch something fun, I can

919
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: enjoy something that is maybe objectively not great. But if

920
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: I'm feeling like kind of bummed out and down watching something.

921
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, we can't watching Secret Invasion. It could

922
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: kind of bum me out, like I'm not if i

923
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: wasn't in an open minded mood where I'm like so

924
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: many people worked on this, like this is something that

925
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 2: people spend a lot of time on. When I'm thinking

926
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 2: like that, I can appreciate. But if I'm feeling kind

927
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: of down or something and I watch something that doesn't

928
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: necessarily adapt something that I really love, I can definitely

929
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: be affected by it. I can also be affected by

930
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: watching something and that thing bumming me out if it's

931
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: like depressing, or even if it's really really great but

932
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 2: still kind of bleak, Like I definitely have to sometimes

933
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: I just have to watch like a cozy mode of mystery.

934
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: If I'm feeling down, I can't be putting on like

935
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 2: an anxiety interesting show.

936
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm the same, and that's for any content. It doesn't

937
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: have to be even nerdy stuff like I recently finished

938
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: The Bear season two, and that's a show that like,

939
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: I can't.

940
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: I'm longing out watching episode seven. I cannot do it.

941
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: It's just too much, too much screaming, too much, people

942
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: being toxic. Too many times, I'm like yelling at the screen.

943
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: Just fire this fucking person already, Like.

944
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh you fucking quit if you don't want to

945
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: do it.

946
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fucking quid. And it's so well made that

947
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: it just like creates those feelings in my body that

948
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: I then have to be like, Okay, I gotta just

949
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: like watch below Deck or something like that, Like I

950
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: just gotta throw on you know, vander Pump Rules or

951
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: something very very light. Yeah. Absolutely my mood. All of

952
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: which is to say, usually it's not my mood that

953
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: affects how I respond to the thing. It's the thing

954
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: affecting my mood. Yeah, Mike Asks, congratulations. Rosie and Jason Frall,

955
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: they're awesome writing lately. They you have a lot of

956
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: amazing things from cover stories to comics to movies. It's

957
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: amazing as a fan to get to follow. I would

958
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: love categorically any XRV writing discussion on really any aspects

959
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: of those processes.

960
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: Okay, so for me, I think me and jaysonatchally quite

961
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: similar on this. But like, I love writing stuff, but

962
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: finishing stuff is very hard. So something that I always

963
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: try and do is just get through a first draft

964
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: as quickly as possible. That is like my biggest tip,

965
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 2: especially if it's something shorter, a comic script, a screenplay,

966
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: a pilot. Guys Done is Spooly Love. She is smooching

967
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: super producer Chris. She knows it's the last episode and

968
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: she's saying goodbye in a romantic way. But yeah, I

969
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: just I try and finish stuff. Doing something I'm trying

970
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: to do at the moment. I've got a novel that

971
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: I'm trying to finish by the end of the year.

972
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: I am doing our long writing sprints and just separating

973
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: an hour off and really really trying to finish something.

974
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: Also something I'm doing is just appreciating how much actual

975
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: writing output I have because I do writing challenges. I've

976
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: done two thousand words of summer, which is really great.

977
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: But the truth is I didn't really realize until I

978
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 2: started doing them that a lot of people don't really

979
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: write anything in a day. But sometimes even if I'm

980
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: not writing the thing I want to write, like a

981
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: novel or a screenplay or a pilot or something, I

982
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: will be writing like five thousand words for multiple outlets.

983
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: So also just recognizing that my output is really high

984
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 2: and it's just about recentering on my stories. That's what

985
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: I'm trying to focus on at the moment, so that's me.

986
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: I try and do writing sprints and also just try

987
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: and finish the thing and then go back in at it.

988
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: That's my number one thing is finish the thing. There's

989
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: a great I've purchased every single book about writing that

990
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: there is to purchase, and one of the best ones.

991
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: I'll give you my two favorites on writing by Stephen King,

992
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: which just has great, great, great nuts and bolts, how

993
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: to do it, what you don't need to do kind

994
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: of stuff from a master shortteller. And and Laman Spurred

995
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: My Bird, which is more of a philosophical take but

996
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: which has some of the great revelations that have changed

997
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: my writing life. And the most important one is shitty

998
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: first drafts. Yeah, your first version of whatever the thing

999
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: you're writing is is going to be bad. Let it

1000
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: be bad and don't question it. So I do the

1001
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: same thing Rosie does. Let's take a TV script, like

1002
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: a half hour sitcom script for egasample. I will try

1003
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: to write that in one or two days, like as

1004
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: fast as I can vomit it out with placeholder jokes

1005
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: like here, character A does a joke and character A

1006
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: character b response to the joke, like some cliche dialogue.

1007
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 2: Let go back and.

1008
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 1: Just get it down, because that's the hardest part because

1009
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: there's always that voice that's going to be there that goes,

1010
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: this fucking sucks, this bad, Holy shit, this is so bad.

1011
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: What if people see this? And it's important that you

1012
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: have that voice because that's going to be the thing

1013
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: that powers you through the editing where you rewrite and

1014
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: you make it good. But you'll never get there if

1015
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: all you do is listen to that voice and you

1016
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: just here's a thing that happens, has happened to me.

1017
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: And continuing to also continue to try to finish my

1018
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: novel is if I read what I wrote last night,

1019
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 1: then I'll just keep rewriting it. And I'll just keep

1020
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: rewriting it, and next thing you know, for two weeks,

1021
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: I've been working on the same chapter, the same paragraph,

1022
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: two paragraphs in a chapter. Just finish it. It doesn't

1023
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: matter if it fucking sucks. It's it's supposed to be

1024
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: really bad, it's supposed to be really really really shitty.

1025
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: Finish it and then go back and then you can

1026
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: make it better and make it better and make it better.

1027
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: So just like I cannot stress this is enough for

1028
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: your first draft. Whatever you're writing, it's gonna suck. It's

1029
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: gonna suck. Mute the voice that is telling you it sucks,

1030
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: and just push through and to the end. The second

1031
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: you start feeling yourself reading two sentences before where you

1032
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: are or three sentences or a paragraph and going oh shit,

1033
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: that's bad, stop and just maybe close the document and

1034
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: come back and you feel like you can just like finish.

1035
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: You can push through again and just don't reread until

1036
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: you finish. That's it.

1037
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the other thing I would say, just find

1038
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: friends who want to read your stuff. That will be

1039
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: the ones who help you go from bad first draft.

1040
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: It's a great second job. It's amazing third draft. With

1041
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: my Pilo and my screenplays, having friends read them over

1042
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 2: go oh this works or this doesn't work or this

1043
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: person needs more has been like invaluable. So I would

1044
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 2: definitely say.

1045
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: That that's very important. And to add on to that,

1046
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: when you're getting notes from your friends, again super important

1047
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: to be able to have those people that you trust

1048
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: to give you the notes. If you're in a place

1049
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: where you're not finished, it's okay to tell them, hey,

1050
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: don't give me a note that will make me go back,

1051
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, just again. It's the hardest thing to do,

1052
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: but finish, finish.

1053
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: It, and you'll feel so good when you know you

1054
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: can finish one thing. It makes finishing everything else so

1055
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: much easier.

1056
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, just finish it up next to it out.

1057
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: In today's not outweare you tell us what you love them, why,

1058
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: a theory you're excited to share, or a quick question

1059
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: we can answer. And you have sent us so many

1060
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 2: over the last two years. Heh friend of the pod

1061
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: and co host of the Escape Patch podcast, which you

1062
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: might know is Doom Pod, pitches us on honestly one

1063
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: of the best shows of like the last decade, which

1064
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: is Warrior.

1065
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 3: Jason and Rosie, it's h for the final nerd out

1066
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 3: of X Ray Vision Volume one. I wanted to point

1067
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 3: you out at the excellent TV show Warrior, currently streaming

1068
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: on Max. The show was created by Jonathan Tropper, the

1069
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 3: creator and showrunner of the groundbreaking action drama series Banshee

1070
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 3: that launched Anthony Starr's career, produced by Justin.

1071
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 4: Lynn, and is based on the writings of Bruce Lee.

1072
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 3: A historical martial arts drama set in eighteen seventies San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: It follows the story of our hero, Assam, a recent

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Speaker 3: Chinese immigrant who comes to America with nothing to find

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Speaker 3: his sister, who was previously sent over. Assam is quickly

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Speaker 3: sucked into the Tong Wars, with competing Chinese gangs fighting

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Speaker 3: for control of the illicit trades in San Francisco. The

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Speaker 3: series features incredible martial arts action, all of which is

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Speaker 3: extremely grounded, beautifully intricate, and always story driven. But the

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Speaker 3: show really shines because of the fantastic characters, including the

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Speaker 3: heads of the competing Chinese gangs, the unemployed Irish masses

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Speaker 3: indignant at a new wave of immigrants being exploited and

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Speaker 3: taking their jobs, the mostly Irish cops trying to keep

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Speaker 3: the peace, and the business and political forces manipulating everyone

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Speaker 3: to keep the money flowing same as it ever was.

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Speaker 3: All of this is set to a bangin Riza style soundtrack,

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Speaker 3: with each episode ending with a different killer Chinese rap song,

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Speaker 3: so you will be seriously entertained while you take it

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Speaker 3: all in. However, what makes the show truly unique is

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Speaker 3: its representation of Asian and Asian American people. Series leads

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Speaker 3: Andrew Coogi, Whoon Lee Diane Doane and Olivia Chang are

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Speaker 3: never shown as caricatures, stereotypes, or side characters.

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Speaker 1: Rather, they are.

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Speaker 3: The center of attention and fully flushed out with their

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Speaker 3: own agency at the center of the show. I remember

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Speaker 3: an interview with Alan Yang, producer of Louke and Master

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Speaker 3: of None.

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Speaker 4: Saying that Hollywood never even shows the intimacy of Asian

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Speaker 4: characters kissing.

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Speaker 3: Well, this show's a hell of a lot more than that,

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Speaker 3: and leads viewers with a lot to think about in

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Speaker 3: terms of our legacy of exploitation, though never in a

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Speaker 3: preachy or sanctimonious way. If you love great storytelling and

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Speaker 3: stunning martial arts, this is the show you've been waiting for.

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Speaker 3: The season three finale airs this week, and all three

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Speaker 3: seasons are streaming now on Max. Watch the first five

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Speaker 3: minutes of episode one and you'll be hooked. On a

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Speaker 3: final note on behalf of all the fans of the pod,

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Speaker 3: including the Fantastic community and the discord, I wanted to

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Speaker 3: say thanks to both of you and the entire production

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Speaker 3: team for all the hard work and passion you've brought

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Speaker 3: the last two years to make incredible episodes week after week.

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Speaker 3: You've inspired us to not only be passionate about the

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Speaker 3: stories we love, but to care about and support the

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Speaker 3: creators and the unique stories they're telling.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Cannot wait for volume two of the show

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Speaker 4: to begin. Peace out.

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Speaker 2: Thanks h. If you have theories, passions, or quick questions

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Speaker 2: you want to share, hit us up at x ray

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Speaker 2: at crooked dot com. Instructions are in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: That's it for us, Rosie any plugs.

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Speaker 2: Just keep an eye on your feeds to hear why

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Speaker 2: You're gonna hear us next. You can follow me Rosie

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Speaker 2: marks at Instagram and they're boxed and yeah, like, thank

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Speaker 2: you for listening.

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Speaker 1: Same here. We'll be back soon, hopefully soon. We're not

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00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: touch would hopefully soon. Secondarily, I co wrote a movie

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00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: with Shay Serano that's on a platform that's struck, so

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00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: I won't mention it, but if you use the Google Machine,

1130
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: you can figure out what it is and you.

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00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 2: Can watch it if you want to, if you want to.

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Speaker 1: Some quick thank yous to some of the people who

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00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: have been really so integral to the creation and running

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00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: of this pod. It couldn't have happened without them. First

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Speaker 1: and foremosts are our super producers, Chris Lori and Saul Ruben,

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Speaker 1: who have been amazing every week, week in, week out,

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Speaker 1: getting the prep ready, helping us with fact check, and

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Speaker 1: just basically being kind of like a compass on what

1139
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: we're doing. Vasillis who Without Vacillis, everything would sound like crap.

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Speaker 2: You would never be able to hear us, It would

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Speaker 2: sound bad.

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Speaker 1: Delon, who without whom you would never see us and

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Speaker 1: never know what we look like. Just a fantastic person.

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01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: Ryan Wallashton who came in late but helped me tremendously

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01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: on Takeline and is just like an all around great guy.

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Speaker 1: Nikki Shane and Bradford, without whom many of our omnibuses

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Speaker 1: would have been factually wrong, just incorrect, incorrect. Kendrick James,

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01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: who helped us on the management side, Jordan Sarah, Caroline

1149
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: Restin who again was like really really influential on Takeline

1150
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Speaker 1: and again here on launching x ray Vision. Sandy Gerard

1151
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: who just like helped put together so many of the

1152
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: really really important pieces away. Akulatee who helped us on

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01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: the social side so that people could get the message out.

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Speaker 1: Caroline Dunfee, Sam ben Desi on the marketing side, Gabby

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Speaker 1: Leverrette and of course, the founders John John and Tommy

1156
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: who gave us a shot here at Crooked and let

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01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 1: us run a show that is crazy. Carlton Gillespie who

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01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: again helped launch the show and it was super super

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01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: important on the takeline side. And Brian Vasquez who sadly

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Speaker 1: is no longer with us but wrote the fantastic and

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Speaker 1: catchy title song to extra vision and all the kind

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Speaker 1: of like interstitial little musical pieces. Thank you to all

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Speaker 1: of those folks. Yeah, could not have done it without it.

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Speaker 2: And thank you to everyone who listened to the show

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Speaker 2: and just sent your super cool questions and theories, who

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01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 2: joined us in the discord, who left us really nice

1167
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: five star reviews, and who just supported the podcast and

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01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: made this like a really incredible community.

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Speaker 1: We love. We love bringing stuff that we love talking

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Speaker 1: about to people who also love it, So thank you

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Speaker 1: to all of you.

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Speaker 2: You can watch full episodes of the podcast on YouTube now.

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Speaker 2: Also check out a Twitter at xr v port and

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01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 2: you can join Audist Code. While we will still be

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Speaker 2: hanging out with there, We're still in the discord. It's

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01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 2: still going baby, and that's a great place to get

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Speaker 2: info on what will happen next.

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Speaker 1: Five star ratings, five star reviews, Weed and we Gotta

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01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: Have You Gotta give us this. Here's one from track Man.

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Speaker 1: Best pop culture podcast out there.

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Speaker 2: Wow, five star reviews.

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Speaker 1: Thanks It's.

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Speaker 2: Podcast, Thank You.

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Speaker 1: Extra Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show is

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Speaker 1: produced by Chris Lord and Solrubin. Executive produced by.

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Speaker 4: Me Jason Temps.

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Speaker 1: You and O are editing. A sound design is by

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01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: Chriscillis Fatopoulos. Video production by Delon Villanueva and Rachel Guayeski.

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Speaker 1: Social media by Awa Oklati and Caroline Dunfie. Thank you

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Speaker 1: to Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: For our themes.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back. If you're looking for more takes on

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Speaker 1: the nerd culture you know and love, We're excited to

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Speaker 1: tell you about the geek Buddies. The geek Buddies John,

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Speaker 1: Michael and Shannon are writers, critics, actors, and EPs, and

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Speaker 1: most importantly friends and as the geek Buddies, they're inviting

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Speaker 1: you into their conversation where they discuss their first impressions

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01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: of new shows, movies, give in depth reviews, and generally

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Speaker 1: just share their thoughts and everything geek in the world

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01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: of entertainment. And boy do they have thoughts since they've

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Speaker 1: each been in the industry for a while. You won't

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Speaker 1: just hear the fan experience, though they certainly are fans

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Speaker 1: as well. They'll share the goss their opinions from the

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01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: creator side of things, So tune in to hear the

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01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: latest on Marvel in DC, casting news for your favorite franchises,

1206
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: and so much more. You can watch The Geek Buddies

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Speaker 1: on YouTube or listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. So hang out with your buddies,

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Speaker 1: the geek Buddies. It's a great time over there.