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Speaker 3: the casino, the guitar casino has been That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So either the portugu and I'm not sure it might

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Speaker 3: be like that their Hollywood, Florida is a Columbian stronghold,

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Speaker 3: and there's different Portuguese stronghold elsewhere in the South Florida area,

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Speaker 3: but I have seen I saw zero Christiano Ronaldo or

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Speaker 3: it really seems like Columbia is gonna have a home

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Speaker 3: my bet. I have not bet the game yet. I

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Speaker 2: It is, you know, I was thinking about this as

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Speaker 4: That's not a good for you a man of the people.

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Speaker 2: So I was flying down in Row twenty eight and

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Speaker 2: I and I was thinking about as I was doing it,

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Speaker 2: So the first half against Paraguay, the first fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 4: Our aggressive, He's stunning.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the best half of football any United

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Speaker 5: National team, And I was.

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Speaker 2: Thinking, when's the last time you turned on a game?

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Speaker 2: I will say this when when Indiana started taking Alabama

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Speaker 2: You know, that's one of those. But one of the things,

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Speaker 4: We had played terribly in Polisic had and scored in

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Speaker 2: And even with A C. Malaney, they had nagging injuries.

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Speaker 2: And I remember saying to one of the executives at Fox,

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Speaker 3: I said, we better have a plan for how we're

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Speaker 3: gonna talk World Cup, not about the US men's national team.

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Speaker 3: I was like, we gotta I understand, we're all rooting

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Speaker 3: for a deep run. But I three weeks before the

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Speaker 3: We had a meeting. We were like, hey, we can

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Speaker 3: all we're all rooting for the US, but we need

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Speaker 3: because the US looked like it was in.

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Speaker 2: Total disarray instead. Correct, it's been magical. Mexico's good. Yes, England,

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Speaker 2: There's been just enough upsets and we've gotten almost universally

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Speaker 3: In like twenty eighteen or twenty twenty twenty two had

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Speaker 5: You had to have it.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I don't care about that, to be totally honest, I

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Speaker 4: I don't care about it.

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Speaker 3: But to your point though, and then we get to

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Speaker 3: One of your long time march madness takes is upsets

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Speaker 3: have been decided. We are ten for ten on the

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Speaker 3: and then we'll see what happens in the final two groups,

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Speaker 3: of which a lot of these Columbian fans are opening.

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Speaker 3: The favorite doesn't win because Portugal is one of them,

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Speaker 3: It's not only scored had a multi goal game. Even

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Speaker 3: it is like the bracket is set up to where

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Speaker 3: We're staring at Argentina, potentially Portugal in the round of eight,

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Speaker 3: That's before we even get to the semis, before you

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Speaker 3: on top of all that, the US has played I

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Speaker 4: And I'm forty years old.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I said this the other day, is that

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Speaker 4: They played Houston, yep.

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Speaker 2: And that's the reality is you get to the knockout

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Speaker 2: they loose yellow cards, red cards, injuries. I mean the

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Speaker 2: reality is great teams get a little tight, just like

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Speaker 2: March badness, sure right. Unlike basketball, where tight means you

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Speaker 2: score seventy two nine eighty two, titan soccer means one

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Speaker 2: to these later stages that the heavy favorite who by

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: And so I mean this is why Turkey A when

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Speaker 2: they beat us, I'm like, guys, they had to win.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was like the coach is going to

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Speaker 2: get fired. I was so overjoyed with our effort. You know,

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Speaker 2: you and I have talked about this. People were so

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Speaker 2: disappointed with the outcome. And I said, timeout, go one

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Speaker 2: second before the kick. You would have said, are reserves tied?

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Speaker 2: Correct a desperate team, So the kick can't make me

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Speaker 4: Outing, So I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I also, if we want to go glass really half full,

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Speaker 3: you know, probably good for the team to not get

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Speaker 3: a little too full of itself.

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Speaker 5: All that.

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Speaker 4: I it's the World Cup.

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Speaker 3: We had an opportunity to, you know, continue do what

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Speaker 3: Mexico did, Hey, it's a meaningless game.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna go undefeated anyway.

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Speaker 3: And I was prepared mentally for a draw or even

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Speaker 3: a loss before the game. When they scored two minutes in,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, I hate you, tweeted like.

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Speaker 4: I'm not used to the US being the best team

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Speaker 3: My My expectations going into this tournament for the US

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Speaker 3: whole thing to the ground.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: They not only got out of the group, they won

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Speaker 4: the group.

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Speaker 3: We have had for my entire life, well for everybody

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Speaker 3: in nineteen thirty a pretty hard ceiling of the round

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Speaker 3: of sixteen. We've made the quarters once, it was in

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Speaker 3: O two. The goal was to make the quarters again,

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Speaker 3: right and see what the hell happens, And they are

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Speaker 3: now well positioned to do that. They get they have

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Speaker 4: Belgium has not been good.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not just saying that because I had my

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Speaker 3: Father's Day ruined by betting Belgium and they scored zero goals.

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Speaker 2: But they were you know, back in twenty eighteen they

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Speaker 2: finished third, Yes, and since twenty fourteen they've made every

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Speaker 5: But they're not the same.

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Speaker 2: They're no a lot lesslayer's age out correct, got new

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Speaker 2: young players, they're not as dynamic.

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Speaker 4: And Lekaku is not as good as he once was.

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Speaker 4: But Doku will be the best player on the field

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Speaker 4: in that game. But so be it. Like, well have

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Speaker 4: home field advantage.

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Speaker 3: And of all the teams you could play in the

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Speaker 3: round of sixteen, they're not They haven't played that great.

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Speaker 4: They're not one of the best ones.

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Speaker 3: I but to your I want to circle back to

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Speaker 3: your first point, which is I have always spelt World

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Speaker 3: Cup time, all right, what's the US plan?

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Speaker 4: Hold the other team to zero and hope you score

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Speaker 4: on a set piece.

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Speaker 3: It's just been like, if you're playing a good team

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Speaker 3: and you're the US, that's likely.

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Speaker 4: It's like you sure shit.

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Speaker 3: Better get shut them out and you know you can

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Speaker 3: get a little lucky or something. You know, one as

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Speaker 3: they say, moment of magic. That's not this team at

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Speaker 3: all at all. This team it's you probably gonna need

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Speaker 3: to score three because you might give up a few,

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Speaker 3: but you can score one, right, but you they can

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Speaker 3: score Oh yeah, it's and let's I have the We

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Speaker 3: talk a lot about how much coaching matters in the

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Speaker 3: NFL versus the NBA.

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Speaker 4: It seems to me man like. I guess they call it.

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Speaker 3: Managing, but managing in soccer might be on level with

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Speaker 3: setting a goal for us, instilling believe all of Patino

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Speaker 2: He's just you know, I always said this when Wemby

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Speaker 4: But it proved the value of that, which is.

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Speaker 3: The quarterfinal here in Miami July eleventh, that would be

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Speaker 2: The reality is rich guys like to be part of

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00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: good momentum and cool stuff. Correct, And if we can

438
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: get to a final eight, I can see a world

439
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: in which we're like, we're gonna go over there and

440
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna.

441
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 4: Make big bids. Oh, try to get some better players, Fouler.

442
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 2: And remember was only Valen Balgan is only on our

443
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 2: team eligible because his.

444
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 3: Flight attendant Fighterdant said, Mom too pregnant to fly. That

445
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 3: lady get that lady should get if we find her

446
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 3: and get her a ticket to the next US.

447
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 2: And increasingly in the World Cup. You're not necessarily born

448
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: in the country or of the country. So there's a

449
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 2: lot of gray sure there. And my take is our

450
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: explosion of capital in the United States and in the

451
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: Americas could be a big advantage going forward.

452
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Speaker 4: That's why momentum here could really be a huge It's hard.

453
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Speaker 3: It's also why and where we put the cart a

454
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 3: little for the horse here, and I know you want

455
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 3: to get to other stuff. It's also why that game

456
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 3: against Bosnia is the biggest game in the history of

457
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Speaker 3: the US men's national team. And I know that sounds

458
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: crazy because it's around the thirty two game. We once

459
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 3: played a round of eight game against South Korea. I

460
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: get that that team, that team to get to the

461
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 3: round of eight had won one game in regulation. They

462
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: had to win, a draw, a loss, and then a

463
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Speaker 3: penalty kicks win. This every as long as they beat Bosnia,

464
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 3: this will feel like such a massive domestic success for soccer.

465
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Speaker 4: There will be no shame If they lose in the

466
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Speaker 4: round of sixteen.

467
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Speaker 3: I think they'd be able to beat Belgium or Senegal

468
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: or Korea, anybody they can play there, but there would

469
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Speaker 3: be no shame in it. But if you do all

470
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 3: of this and then and then all of a sudden,

471
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: because we have, oddly, thanks to the Turkey a game,

472
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: lost thirteen straight games against European teams and.

473
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Speaker 4: There's a little fluke to that little this.

474
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Speaker 3: But then if all of a sudden Bosnia clips us

475
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Speaker 3: as the sixty third ranked team in the world, it

476
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: will feel like it was for naught. But you win

477
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: that game, and they should win that game. They're huge

478
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: favorites to win that game. Then you start to you know,

479
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: you start to believe crazier things can happen again. Korea

480
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: made the semi finals when they hosted this tournament. There

481
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 3: are six of the host nations in history. Their single

482
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Speaker 3: best World Cup appearance or you know, best World Cup

483
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 3: the furthest they've ever gone in the World Cup in

484
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Speaker 3: their nation's history is when they hosted it.

485
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Speaker 4: This is an opportunity for us to do.

486
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Speaker 5: It was a nice run. It was a nice run.

487
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Speaker 2: But I mean, I think ultimately, if you look at

488
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: the teams in the World Cup, you know there is

489
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: a kind of a class of eight, and you know, Spain,

490
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: we all know who it is. Argentina. Belgium now counts,

491
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: although they've gotten a little older. But remember in twenty

492
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Speaker 2: eighteen they were one of the three four best teams

493
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Speaker 2: in the world. And I mean, I think it was

494
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: pretty obvious. I think the first seven or eight minutes

495
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: you could say it was nerves. But after that we

496
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: weren't winning enough one on one battles, we weren't maintaining

497
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: enough possession, We got very few good shots on goal.

498
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Speaker 2: We looked like we were outclassed. We looked like we

499
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: did against Paraguay, just flipped the sides and so. And

500
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Speaker 2: I also think it's a little bit like the NFL playoffs,

501
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: is that the better teams you face, the better coaches

502
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Speaker 2: you face, and you know you can get through the

503
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: AFC or the NFC South, you know, then you match

504
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: up against you know, the Buffalos and the Philadelphia's and

505
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: the mcveigh's, and you know, just the better coaches and

506
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: the better teams and your flaws become gigantic holes. And

507
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: I mean Matt Freeze like an MLS goalie tonight. I

508
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: mean when he had Tim Howard. We've had Tony Meola,

509
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 2: Casey Keller, Tim Howard, who was a huge physical presence,

510
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: a great athlete, hyper aggressive, big strong presence in goal.

511
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 2: Matt Freeze looks like an MLS goalie, you know, an

512
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: embarrassing mistake playing with his feet. I mean, that's like

513
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: that stuff you see in a Tuesday night in the MLS.

514
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: That's just not good enough. And again it's not exposed

515
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Speaker 2: against Paraguay that didn't have much of a dynamic offense,

516
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: or Australia, but it does get exposed against Belgium. And

517
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: you know, I thought, again one of the things I've

518
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 2: said throughout this tournament is soccer fans love to kind

519
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: of project that you don't understand soccer. You could see

520
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: it very quickly. First five or six minutes. We just

521
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 2: could not maintain any fluidity or any flow. We couldn't

522
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: win the one on one battles until the very end.

523
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: We couldn't get quality shots and when Belgium was in

524
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: their offensive end, it was just easier. There was much

525
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Speaker 2: greater ease to get quality shots. Tim Reims, a thirty

526
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: eight year old defender. Although there are things I like

527
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: about Tim Reim, he got physically dominated on that second goal.

528
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: So the back end was our weakness. And again you

529
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 2: face better countries and better players and it's completely, absolutely exposed.

530
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Speaker 5: Also listen, Christian Polisic.

531
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Speaker 2: If you look at the best teams, Harry Kanes had

532
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: a great tournament, so is Messi, so is Embape, so

533
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: is Earling Holland. For Norway, Christian Pulisic did not. He's

534
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: a slight player. He's always been fragile. He gets banged

535
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: up again and I didn't think he played with any

536
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: confidence today. You know, he wasn't winning his one on

537
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: ones and he kind of, you know, gave the ball

538
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: up early in his one on one opportunities. He just

539
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: gave it up. That that feels a little bit like

540
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: kind of bailing. You're lacking confidence. Then later he gets

541
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: injured on a legal play.

542
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 5: Was not a foul.

543
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: So I mean again, I don't think it's overly complex.

544
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: I think we faced a team that beat us. I

545
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: think it was five to two in a friendly with

546
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: great scoring opportunities, and you know, we kind of felt

547
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: like we weren't playing some of our best players. But

548
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: you know, in this instance, we played our best players

549
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: and we were just outclassed, you know, And you know,

550
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: you can blame Pochettino. What I really like about this

551
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: is that you can't blame the coach. We love Pochettino

552
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 2: before Beljium. We can't look at him with dismay. Now

553
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: is that soccer is always going to be about who's

554
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: got the worst, who has the most passing, dribbling skill,

555
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: who can create better opportunities more shots on goal?

556
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Speaker 5: I mean, how many quality shots did we get on

557
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 5: goal tonight?

558
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 4: Two?

559
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: Even the Malik Tillman goal on the free kick was

560
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: a ricochet. So I think I would rather lose this

561
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: way than be frustrated. I mean, Balligan really only got

562
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Speaker 2: one opportunity on goal. A couple of the notes I

563
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: wrote down, you know, twenty two minute mark, no shots

564
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: on goal, Belgium two to one. Physical domination, Pulisic shaky.

565
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: First USA corner kick was at the end of the

566
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: first half. I just think when you see a team

567
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Speaker 2: that has a higher level of skill, more experience in

568
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: bigger games inside one point, stue Holden was asked about

569
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: how do you get better in big games and his

570
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: answer was appropriate, you play in them. And Belgium just

571
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: felt like they had been in more games like this.

572
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: You know, it was funny in the first seven or

573
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: eight minutes, I saw that they were calling it nervy

574
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, I'll give you that for about

575
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: five minutes, and then it was really really clear we

576
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: could not There must have been six, seven, eight, nine

577
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: straight moments where it would come down to a one

578
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: on one battle and Belgium always came out with a

579
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Speaker 2: ball and we met our match.

580
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 4: But we know.

581
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Speaker 2: Now if we flipped goalies, would we have a greater opportunity. Yeah,

582
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: but we weren't going to beat Belgium. I thought Matt

583
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: Freeze felt like a little bit out of his depth.

584
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Speaker 5: This was a little too.

585
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: Big for him, and it happens. But we kind of

586
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: know where we stand, you know, the Argentinas. You know,

587
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: we're closer to Brazil than we've ever been, We're closer

588
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: to Portugal than we've ever been. But there does feel

589
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: like a gap, a skill gap between England. Five of

590
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: the top thirty three players in this tournament, where I

591
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: was reading an article before the tournament by Fox. Five

592
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 2: of the top thirty three were from England. And I mean,

593
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: you watched Jude Bellingham and you watch Harry Kane against Mexico.

594
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: They were easily the two best players in the pitch.

595
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: And you watch that in NBA games, you know, you

596
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: see that when you watch great football teams, you can

597
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: just see the best players jump through the television. So

598
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: it didn't matter if we were playing a four to

599
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: two three one, or we had geol rena substitute in

600
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: at half, it just didn't matter. We just got outclassed.

601
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: And that's where we stand as of today, you know,

602
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: and something to remember. We have the best football, basketball, baseball,

603
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: and hockey league in the world. And you can look

604
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: at the Olympics and say, well, look at what we did.

605
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: Our men's and women's won gold at the Olympics in hockey.

606
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: But hockey is dwarfed in revenue by soccer. Soccer's got

607
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: forty five billion dollars annually in revenue in soccer, that's

608
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: like six to seven billion annually in hockey. Because of

609
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: the international elite events, sponsorships, the international television rights. If

610
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: you want to dominate international soccer. It is much harder

611
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: than dominating international hockey.

612
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 5: It's just it means more to.

613
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: Far more countries. It's just hockey, just not as broad.

614
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: It often feels like a cold weather experience, a cold

615
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: weather country experience. Whereas everybody can play soccer. Norway's good

616
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: at it, Cape Verde is good at it, Argentina and

617
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: France are amazing at it. And so you know, we

618
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: generally are kind of the hub of revenue globally for sports.

619
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Speaker 2: Soccer is different. We spend about four hundred million dollars

620
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: between our men's and women's team annually, four hundred million,

621
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: and that's that's on par with many of the top teams,

622
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: but not greater then. And we also don't have the

623
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Speaker 2: cultural fixation, fascination, intensity, or passion that other nations do.

624
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: I don't look at this World Cup as a failure.

625
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: I think we earned ourselves another World Cup sometime very soon.

626
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: Our infrastructure is so capable of hosting it. But I

627
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: think it's just it's the one sport, one Rubik's cube

628
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: we're trying to decipher, and it really comes down to revenue.

629
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: It's massive, very difficult to buy your way to championships

630
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: and again we have some really nice players. But saying

631
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: in a globe with two hundred and fifteen countries that

632
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: were not in the top eight, there's no great shame

633
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: in it. But I thought we were out classed. And

634
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: I will say Sebastian Burhalter adds great energy, We had

635
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: great fight until the end. But we met our match.

636
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: And that's okay. I mean it's not okay. It's infuriating.

637
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: It's in Seattle. But I don't think you walk away

638
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: from this and say so we gave it a good run,

639
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: we gave it a good fight. You just keep chipping away.

640
00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: Remember England has won one World Cup, Spain has won

641
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: one World Cup. This shit is hard, you know, And

642
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'll just get blast in my text tonight

643
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: when I wake up tomorrow. We'll we will never compete.

644
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: This is worthless. We got out class tonight, but it's

645
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: worth the fight. It's just you know, look it up sometime,

646
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: look up soccer revenues globally and what we're going up against.

647
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: Belgium added on that final goal. So if you count

648
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: the friendly against tonight five to two and four to one,

649
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: our back end was completely overwhelmed. A clean sweet in

650
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: the two times we face Belgium gives you a sense

651
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: of where we currently are the on the soccer global map. Remember,

652
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Speaker 2: our average age is under twenty seven, so a majority

653
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Speaker 2: of this team is back with more European and international experience.

654
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Speaker 2: It's not on our soil. But generally group stages aren't

655
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: our greatest challenge. It's the knockout stage. But this is

656
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: a very young team going forward. Twenty six point nine

657
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: years old is the average age, still one of the

658
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: youngest teams at this World Cup. So, by the way,

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Speaker 2: if you're wondering, I am healthy enough to do a

660
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Speaker 2: forty five minute podcast today, but my boss has called

661
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Speaker 2: me after yesterday's show. I played hurt yesterday. I had

662
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: a fever and the stomach virus is going around the Midwest.

663
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Speaker 2: So I went to bed last night at seven thirty five,

664
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Speaker 2: took THEO flu.

665
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Speaker 5: I broke my fever. So I'm okay. Stomach's a mess.

666
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Speaker 5: It's a Midwest thing.

667
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Speaker 4: Whatever.

668
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Speaker 2: But we had this planned and I think it's fitting

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Speaker 2: because there's so many things I want to talk about

670
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: with Danny Parkins. So you know, listen, every four years

671
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: after we lose in the World Cup. The drum beats.

672
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: It's our culture, you know, it's our youth movement. But

673
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: I did think it was kind of instructive that Carli Lloyd, Stuholden,

674
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: Alexi Lawless all kind of had the same drum beat,

675
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: which is, hey, Christian Pulisic, nobody wants to hear about rest.

676
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: This isn't baseball. You don't have a game tomorrow. We

677
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: don't want to hear about rest. And I think it's fair,

678
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Speaker 2: and I'll tell you why. Polistics twenty seven Messi is

679
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: a smaller athlete, has never messed a World Cup game,

680
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 2: and you know he hasn't been healthy one hundred percent

681
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: of the time. We know Polistics not Arling Holland. He's

682
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: not a soccer version of Krok, but he gets banged

683
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: up a lot. He's twenty seven. But there is an

684
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: indifference or a lack of urgency. Sometimes that comes off

685
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: as condescending from Polistic, like he's above it all.

686
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 5: And we don't like that from ara athlete.

687
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Speaker 2: By the way, if you said that in Argentina, the

688
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: Argentinian press would savage you. If you said it in

689
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: Greece or Italy or London, you'd get crushed for it.

690
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Speaker 2: I think my knock on polistic is that this is

691
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: this is different than the other sports. It's every four years.

692
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: Soccer already faces a little cynicism because of the flopping,

693
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: so you kind of fake injuries all the time. So

694
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: like when you come up and say, all right, I

695
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: can still see on the pitch, you can still move.

696
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Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about rest. I don't think

697
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Speaker 2: that's unfair. I think it's pandering to call that unfair.

698
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 2: I think that's very reasonable. International Soccer commentary by Carly

699
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: Stewing Alexi of.

700
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Speaker 1: Course, and he after the game said that he thought

701
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: he maybe sprained his ankle. We expect you to play

702
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: through a sprained ankle, right right, Like I mean, if

703
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: you would have come out afterwards that he would have

704
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Speaker 1: ruptured his achilles. You know, no one would have said anything,

705
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, but it was like, wait, you kicked the

706
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: other guy. You kind of stubbed your foot into the ground.

707
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: You were hobbling around out there. We expect you to

708
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: be able to hobble that off. And I'm not saying

709
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Speaker 1: that I could do it, but I am saying that

710
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Speaker 1: world class athletes should be able to do it.

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Speaker 5: And this is the thing. I am not a twenty

712
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 5: four to seven, three.

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Speaker 1: Sixty five soccer person, but I really prepped very hard

714
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Speaker 1: ahead of this World's Cup. I take my job very

715
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: seriously with how first things. First overtime is going, Like

716
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Speaker 1: Nick Wilds and Brew are not on the show with me,

717
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: so I'm doing the full hour with me and Dax

718
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: McCarty and maybe other soccer people that we bring on.

719
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Speaker 1: So like, I prepped my ass off ahead of this

720
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Speaker 1: World's Cup. Part of that was watching the five part

721
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Speaker 1: Team USA documentary, and in the documentary there was a

722
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Speaker 1: whole section of time on Polisic feeling defensive and pushing

723
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Speaker 1: back against the old American soccer establishment guys like Alexi

724
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Speaker 1: and Landon, who had criticized him for skipping the Gold Cup.

725
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Speaker 1: They were like, You've got to play in the Gold Cup.

726
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: It's because this is such a huge tournament for Team

727
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: USA and it's a home World Cup, and he was like,

728
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,959
Speaker 1: I need the rest and I have to prioritize rest,

729
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: and they really criticized him and he pushed back against it.

730
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Speaker 1: And then Polisic also, I know he's not the most

731
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Speaker 1: media friendly guy, but I think that's a little overstated.

732
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Speaker 1: There's also a nine part documentary just about him on Paramount,

733
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: It's the Polisic Story. And then he was profiled in

734
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Speaker 1: GQ ahead of this tournament and he said, it's just

735
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Speaker 1: another big tournament. Like I came out of this thing saying,

736
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: I honestly wonder if the World Cup is as big

737
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Speaker 1: of a deal to him as playing for AC Milan.

738
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Speaker 1: He makes his money from AC Milan. It's the biggest

739
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Speaker 1: American transfer fee in the history of our country. Like

740
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Speaker 1: it's weird to say, but I honestly felt like, do

741
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: we care, does Donovan care? Does Alexi care more about

742
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: wearing the crest of America than Polistic does? And I

743
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: know he laid his body on the line and had

744
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Speaker 1: the great goal in the last World Cup against Iran

745
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Speaker 1: and all of those things. But you wouldn't never catch

746
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Speaker 1: MESSI saying it's just another tournament about the World Cup.

747
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Speaker 1: And so I think when you combine skipping the Gold Cup,

748
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Speaker 1: it's just another tournament. Asking out of both a group

749
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Speaker 1: stage game and a knockout stage game with non devastating injuries.

750
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Speaker 1: These people who are soccer establishments, people in America who

751
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: played the game, they did not reach this conclusion on

752
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: Polisic just because of the game against Belgium. This is

753
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: years in the making for them with Polisic, and I

754
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: think it's totally fair to question if playing for America

755
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Speaker 1: in the World Cup is his absolute number one priority.

756
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Speaker 2: Listen, I've said this about Luka Dantis his reality now

757
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: and Joe Burrows. They're both like one more injury away

758
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: from we're out of the peak. They're injury prone. Like

759
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: I've said that about Luca, He's never in great shape.

760
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: He now has three straight years of being injured. If

761
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 2: it becomes four, that devastatingly great. Trade isn't as great

762
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: as you bought. Neither Dallas or the Lakers are viable.

763
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: So and I think but one of the things that

764
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 2: pushes back I would push back is our soccer culture

765
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 2: isn't terribly hard. I mean, we still consider playing college

766
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: soccer a big deal. Where if you go internationally to

767
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: a Morocco, the best African nation now in terms of soccer.

768
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 2: If you go to England and you go to other

769
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: places like that that collegiate soccer, it's academies and ours

770
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: is hey get a D one scholarship and it's a

771
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: little I would say it's a little precious. It doesn't

772
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: really it's And by the way, in basketball, one of

773
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Speaker 2: the reasons there's so many great international players that if

774
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: you served like our great domestic players is their academy

775
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: system is better than our AAU system. And I do

776
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: think sometimes the people that cover soccer for a living,

777
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: especially the print people, New York Times, the Athletic, they

778
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: get a little precious, they get little defensive, they start pandering.

779
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: You don't understand soccer. I don't have to be a

780
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: chef to know the fish is undercooked. I'm sending it

781
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: back to the kitchen. I don't have to be a

782
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: music critic to know that guy's a hack and that

783
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 2: person's great. Like you don't have to be an expert

784
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 2: pholistic is twenty seven injury prone. And to your point,

785
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: there's a sense he lacks kind of like urgency. There's

786
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 2: a certain aesthetic and a certain commentary where I feel like, bro,

787
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: this shit matters like a lot. I mean, I mean this,

788
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 2: this World Cup was so successful, America is probably going

789
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: to get another one sooner than anticipated. I've read that

790
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: several times. This has been a ground breaking way.

791
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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, it's a that's why you have There's a

792
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: lot here and I think it's fascinating. And I know

793
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: sometimes like the hottest take is the best take, but

794
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot here. Like the World Cup

795
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: has been a huge success rating raids attendance. My six

796
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: year old asked for a jersey, like you know what

797
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Like he's getting into it. So like growing

798
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: soccer in America, all that's like that is happening even

799
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: without the US stepping forward. I also think the US

800
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: did make progress in this specific way if you look

801
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Speaker 1: in the rearview mirror, like I think they say we're

802
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: the eighteenth best team in the world for a number,

803
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: I think the gap between US and like the fiftieth best.

804
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Speaker 5: Team has grown.

805
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Speaker 1: Whereas like we've the last now four World Cups that

806
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: we've made, we've made it to the same round every time,

807
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: the round of sixteen. But in the past we've kind

808
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: of eked our way there draws won to one games

809
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: and in this World's Cup, and I know part of

810
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: it is where the host country so we got the

811
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Speaker 1: pot one draw. I know part of it is expanded

812
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: field so there's a round of thirty two now, so

813
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: a little bit weaker competition, but we kind of kicked

814
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: the shit out of some teams. Scored three goals, scored

815
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: four goals, had the most first half goals of any

816
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Speaker 1: team in the whole tournament through the round to thirty two.

817
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: We're putting the ball in the back of the that.

818
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: I do think we have separated ourselves a bit from

819
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Speaker 1: Paraguay and Australian teams like that. But when you lose

820
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: as convincingly as we did to Belgium, right, the whole

821
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: thing was, are you going to take a step forward?

822
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Speaker 1: We still have a huge gap between us and the

823
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Speaker 1: truly top team. Well yes, well it's interesting you bring

824
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Speaker 1: that up. So here are the quarter finalists France, Argentina, England, Belgium, Spain.

825
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: Those are world powers.

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Speaker 2: Switzerland once again fifth sixth straight World Cup. I think

827
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Speaker 2: this is the third or the fourth time they made

828
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Speaker 2: it to the quarters. Historically respected Morocco is now brilliant

829
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Speaker 2: federation apparently depths top African nation, and then Norway has

830
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: a superstar. Okay, so either superstar soccer power, respected historical

831
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: relevant European team or the best African nation that two

832
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: beat us out. I would say this between Casey Keller,

833
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: Tim Howards.

834
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Speaker 4: We were.

835
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Speaker 2: Uniquely weak in goalie. We had an MLS goalie. Our

836
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: goalies have always been English Premier League Casey, European guy

837
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: for fifteen years. If we had one of our usual

838
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: goalies in we lose two us. We don't give up

839
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Speaker 2: the second or the third goal. We give up the first,

840
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: we give up the last. We lose two to one.

841
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: We're outplayed. But the sense is well, if Belgium beat Spain,

842
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: we're losing to really good people. So A, you're right,

843
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: there's growth. B look at who ends up in the quarters,

844
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: the best African nation superpowers. The other thing that should

845
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: be noted is participation. Remember this, Danny, look at the

846
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: world going forward. A lot of parents don't want their

847
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: kids to play football because of violence. Basketball genetically, Let's

848
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: be honest, it is a really tall person sport. Baseball

849
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: to kids often a lot of standing around and boring.

850
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: Hockey super expensive. Soccer's fun. There is pay to play,

851
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: but it's cheaper than hockey, probably two to three times cheaper.

852
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: This will increase participation. And my guess is, although albeit

853
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: or pay to play, I think in communities, if you

854
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: really saw if the local teams really saw a spectacular

855
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: kid at eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve years old. You'd

856
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: find a way to engineer it and get them in.

857
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: There's a lot of visibility now with soccer, the academy

858
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: system is broader, So I do to think to your point,

859
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: this was an absolute win, better goalie.

860
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 5: We lose two to one, and we were embarrassed. We

861
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 5: weren't beaten.

862
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: It's not that we lost, it's how we lost. And

863
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Speaker 2: it got really embarrassing in the last thirty.

864
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

865
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: Look, I mean honestly, I thought it was kind of

866
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: embarrassing from jump with how cautious they played, Like I

867
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: did not consider the fact that we could get blown

868
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: out in that game, and we did, and I thought

869
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: that that was a parent Pretty early on I was like,

870
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, like it just like the moment felt

871
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: a little too big for them, and it is. I mean,

872
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: Egypt almost beat Argentina and would have been further than us,

873
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: and then we would have been like, well what about

874
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: this group? That is to like, why can't we be Egypt?

875
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: And I do think it's totally fair to be like,

876
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: why can't we have our earling Holland, Like we thought

877
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: it was going to be Freddie Adou.

878
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 5: It wasn't. We thought it was going to be Christian Polisick.

879
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 5: It wasn't.

880
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: Now people are like, there's this kid, Kevin Sullivan who's

881
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: sixteen on Philly and MLS And I'm like, I can't

882
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: keep waiting for the Great Savior to come. And I

883
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: do think, and again, I am not an expert on

884
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: the pay to play thing, but there is something too.

885
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: Our best player is Floren Balligan, who was completely developed

886
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: in England. Like he's you know what I mean, parents

887
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: are Nigerian. He came up through the English club scene

888
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: and the only reason he was able to play for

889
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: America is because his mom had him here in birthright

890
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: citizenship because she was pregnant and deemed that it wasn't

891
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: good for her to fly back when she was pregnant.

892
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: And he was like, I don't know that I will

893
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: start if I play on England. And because of Harry

894
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: Kane and everything that they have, right, so I'll go

895
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: play for America. Like, we got to figure out why

896
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: they were able to develop our best player and figure

897
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: out a way for us to be able to develop

898
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: a couple of our own best players.

899
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and by the way, they're they're you know,

900
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: if you look at France and a lot of these nations,

901
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 2: you there is these routes to get your best players.

902
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: Apparently the federation in Morocco. I was reading about it

903
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: this morning actually as my stomach flu is ravaging through

904
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: the house. Morocco's federation apparently has done a really good

905
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: job to find connections through Europe and that's why they

906
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: have so much depth. If you watch Morocco talking about

907
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 2: a dark horse, like you watch them maybe the fastest

908
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: team left many they are like in France, speed, they

909
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: they they got a bunch wings, midfielders, they move, they're

910
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: hard to defend.

911
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 5: So I think a lot of this is.

912
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: Federation based, academy based, and it's hurting our basketball a

913
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 2: little bit. I mean, who are at best to Mastic

914
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: players Cooper Flag and Edwards, Jason Tatum, And.

915
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 5: It feels like I was a drop off, like like

916
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 5: what Trey Young. I mean, the analytics don't like Jaleb Brown.

917
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I think, I think, but I

918
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: do believe every four years there is this chorus is

919
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: that we're not growing. There's clear growth from participation to

920
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: elevation of skill and technical expertise. I think we're a

921
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,959
Speaker 2: little soft. I think the soccer culture is a little

922
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: harder in England than Argentina than it is here. But

923
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: I felt I did too.

924
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: I felt growth, like I said, kind of looking like

925
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: we distanced ourselves from the lesser teams which we were

926
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: a part of. And I'm not sure if we've grew

927
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: enough in the direction of the top teams. And I'm

928
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: going to be very interested in like because listen, poach

929
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: Tina was expensive, Like, what what do they do with him?

930
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: I know everybody wants him back, and I do too.

931
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 5: I like him.

932
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: It did seem interesting to me that it was like

933
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: we weren't tough enough, we weren't ready to play, but

934
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: we love the manager. It's like, I don't know, some

935
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: of that might be on coaching. I don't exactly know,

936
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: but I do think that you know, they've opened up

937
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: USA soccer complexes and training development programs, Like you spend

938
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: more money on it, you will develop better players and

939
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: you need a continuity of program. And to your point,

940
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: this tournament kind of flipped my whole life. Watching the

941
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: US on the international level, it was like, can we

942
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: score goals?

943
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 5: Right?

944
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: Like we we had four goals We had four goals

945
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty two Worlds Cup in total, our

946
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: in total this time.

947
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, we can score goals.

948
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: Like if we took Tim Howard and a couple of

949
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: great oracle American defenders in the past and put them

950
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: on this team with ball again and some of our

951
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: midfielders and you know, forward players, like, we could have

952
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: had a great team.

953
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 5: It's just we don't have the We gotta we got

954
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 5: to put it all together at once. Okay.

955
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 2: See, I feel better about this because I'd rather say

956
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: we got to find a better goalie than we just

957
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: don't have the technical skill to score goals. I feel

958
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: broadly great about our technical skill. It'll only get better.

959
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: This whole team comes back, probably with three to four editions,

960
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: but we just have to find a goalie. I always

961
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: felt like we got a goalie. I wish we had

962
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: seven guys who could pass and dribble like they do

963
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: in England. So I feel broadly yeah, I think.

964
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 5: That makes sense.

965
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Tim Reim was too old and too

966
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: slow as like our main defensive player, right, so I

967
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: think it is probably yeah. I was reading articles about

968
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: like projecting the twenty thirty men's national team roster and

969
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to do. But there are names. You know,

970
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: Dax McCarty, rf our first things, first analysts, who's been great.

971
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: He played a ton of MLS.

972
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 5: He played on the men's national team. He knows MLS.

973
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, there's a lot of really young talent,

974
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: but they just we need to hit like we need

975
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: to hit on some stars. I mean, Belgium is sobbing

976
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: in Lukaku and it's like we would he be our

977
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: best player.

978
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 5: He came off the bench for them.

979
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: Weston McKinney is really good for us, but he's been

980
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: like okay on Juventus. You know, Christian Polisic a huge deal.

981
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: He led Milan in goals and assists, but Milan was

982
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: really disappointing, like they weren't you know. He was like

983
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: a good player on a historically great team that also

984
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: had a bad year. So we do need to We

985
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: have players who are playing in Spain and Italy and

986
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: Europe and made all over, but like we need we

987
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: need stars. We need to keep leveling up. We're not

988
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: We're not there yet.