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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cody Cast. This is Cody Allen's podcast. My

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Speaker 1: friend for a long time, and I always thought we

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Speaker 1: had the most frank conversations, like we were just lay

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Speaker 1: it all out there, how I felt, how you felt.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about some of these things before. So that's

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Speaker 1: why I wanted to have you on. Because I watched

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Speaker 1: that video of George Floyd, like we all did. I

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Speaker 1: had emotions, but I bet you had a unique set

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Speaker 1: of emotions that were the only a person seeing it

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Speaker 1: through your eyes feels and sees. So when you saw

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Speaker 1: that video, what did you think, Oh, picture my seven Uh. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've said a lot of videos, man, Uh, that's probably

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Speaker 1: one of the worst. When I have that whole videos

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Speaker 1: his knee, and I was like, wow, man, what is

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Speaker 1: Cannot see? This is somebody who's brother, somebody's son, ah,

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Speaker 1: somebody's friends that he's purposely taken life off and bothered

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Speaker 1: me because it looked like the guy looks like me,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it took me back to a time

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Speaker 1: I was in Virginia after the Best Shot went number one,

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Speaker 1: and I'm driving and I get pulled over. Uh God

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Speaker 1: start he was very aggressive, and I didn't equate it

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Speaker 1: to racism. I just say, you never know what people

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Speaker 1: just irritated from certain things. And the first person we

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Speaker 1: just just hated home. Then he said, well I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I believe and do was like,

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Speaker 1: And this other officer pulls up. Uh. He said, hey,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Allen, right, you think that song Best Shot? I

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Speaker 1: said yesterday said I love that song. Man. He said, look, man,

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Speaker 1: for the officely, but I'm like, what if that other

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Speaker 1: guy didn't pull up? What if I didn't have a

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Speaker 1: number one song on country? You know, I definitely kept

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Speaker 1: my calm because I feel like you always have to

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Speaker 1: I I thought about that. I thought about my son

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Speaker 1: when I saw the video, and I'm like, man, this

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Speaker 1: I I said, you know, I've I saw wait a

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Speaker 1: few days before I said things, because had a bunch

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Speaker 1: of people message me, Jimmy, why have you said that

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Speaker 1: about George Floyd? Blah blah blah, And you gotta do

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Speaker 1: things in your own speed. And I say something I

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Speaker 1: open mind and understanding because hateful words don't welcome or

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Speaker 1: listening here. You know what I'm saying. Uh. So that's

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Speaker 1: why I wanted to approach it the way I did.

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Speaker 1: And because when you have a situation like this, you

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Speaker 1: don't know how people were raised. M h. I know

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Speaker 1: for me, there were I was raised h different denominations. Um,

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Speaker 1: there were things in the denomination that I was taught

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Speaker 1: And it's been beautiful to see uh protesting and different

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Speaker 1: you know, in the sixties during the Civil Rights movement,

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Speaker 1: people that weren't black marching that I saw the black people.

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Speaker 1: And the phrase the revolution won't be televised isn't about

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Speaker 1: how come you can't just say all lives matter? Why

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Speaker 1: I said, on your honest opinion, do you think black

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Speaker 1: say all all lives matter and tell all I do,

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Speaker 1: whether it's black lives, white lives, Asian lives. Whenever there

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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of been that way from slavery too.

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Speaker 1: now of black people, we were two thirds of a person,

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Speaker 1: you know, so it can you imagine I can't. It's

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's uh. But again, man, it's one of

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Speaker 1: What's your reasoning, your purpose behind your protesting, behind everything

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Speaker 1: and I think it's important to hear the words here.

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Speaker 1: People talk about this this and and work through this

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Speaker 1: And actually, this isn't the year to be canceled. This

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Speaker 1: is the year. There's no concerts to distract you, there's

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Speaker 1: White guy he called me and he said, man, this

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Speaker 1: I asked myself, do I really think things are equal

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Speaker 1: I can tell you right now I would not want

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Speaker 1: I'm raising a white son. You're raising a black son.

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Speaker 1: Why should you be more scared for him than I

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Speaker 1: Ain't nobody that nice? Like? Why? I said, I just

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Speaker 1: But I seen you have nobody else in this little story.

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's that's and that's the difference. Man. You know,

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Speaker 1: if not all people, but some, you know, there's injustice

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Speaker 1: And I tell people all the time, Man, for me,

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Speaker 1: I see the progress. I had no fan base before

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Speaker 1: I have I ever experienced a little setback before. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Someone told me in a meeting this person's exact words,

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Speaker 1: just I said, I never leave it. I'm always gonna

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Speaker 1: country radio. I'm always gonna be a country ward shows,

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Speaker 1: always gonna do interviews, hang out with my cousin Cody Allen,

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Speaker 1: you know, life is I'm I'm thankful. Am I bad

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Speaker 1: the same time, I am thankful for the product, for

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Speaker 1: the progress. I am thankful too in a genre of

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Speaker 1: music where people don't think I would succeed be succeeding. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just go to show that there's love here man. And

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Speaker 1: uh and and it's possible to do what you want

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Speaker 1: and the great music finds its way like great music rises. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I also think good people do too, and I

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Speaker 1: think that that's what this moment really is, good people

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Speaker 1: don't talk politics ever, Like this is not what I'm about.

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Speaker 1: I just, you know, uh, talk about music mostly. But

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Speaker 1: it's just I don't. I don't, I don't think. But

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Speaker 1: a lot of people think that. It is to the

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Speaker 1: he must be for Biden, or like it's like, no,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just about people. It's about You're not even

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Speaker 1: talking about Trump or Biden. We're talking about people being

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Speaker 1: And I challenged a lot of a lot of my

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Speaker 1: make excuses for it. Then do you really love God?

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Speaker 1: You say you do. Yeah, So it's just something people

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Speaker 1: to think. One last question on this, because I wonder

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Speaker 1: as well, the balance being yes, I can support Black

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Speaker 1: got we have to figure out that balance too, because

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Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit still a little imbalanced

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Speaker 1: right now. See again, I tell people, it just comes

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Speaker 1: and and and that's and they're great people. You know,

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Speaker 1: they people fairly. Uh So you can still support Black

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Speaker 1: Lives adat and support police officers. Of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not one. I don't want to see

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Speaker 1: brick at an officer just because they think he might

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Speaker 1: be racist. No, that's not how you do it. You

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Speaker 1: know nothing about this First of all, it's not the

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Speaker 1: right thing to do saying well, you know nothing about

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Speaker 1: this car he could have a black wife and mixed

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Speaker 1: kids at home. What I'm saying that that that doesn't

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Speaker 1: it's no, that's not how you do it. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's about because when we stereotyped police officers, we can't

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Speaker 1: get mad. I can't get mad if someone stereotyped black

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Speaker 1: people because it comes down to groups of people. So

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying and you can't stereotype one group of

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Speaker 1: people and not didn't get mad when people stereotypes a

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Speaker 1: group of people that are associated with So yes, you

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Speaker 1: can support. Again, it comes down to support it everything.

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Speaker 1: Supporting blacks, supporting UH police officers, supporting firefighters, supporting Asian,

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Speaker 1: supporting whites. It's about supporting global support and I definitely

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Speaker 1: think you can do that. I don't agree with people

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Speaker 1: UH harmon police officers, no, not at all. My families

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Speaker 1: are My family are police officers. So my best friend Stance,

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Speaker 1: I was a kid our police officers. You know you

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Speaker 1: can support because again, how can you say, how can

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Speaker 1: I push for black lives matter and hopefully one day

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Speaker 1: treat a certain group of people different, I'm contracting everything

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Speaker 1: I'm pushing towards perfectly said, I really appreciate that. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think we all uh need to hear it um

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Speaker 1: before we let you go. In case people don't know

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Speaker 1: your story, Jimmy, you came to Nashville and how long

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Speaker 1: did you live in your car? About four and a

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Speaker 1: half months? Showered at the y n C as jim

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Speaker 1: and fitness. That's right? Uh really no electric? That was horrible. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but now you're in this slinky new truck. You got

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Speaker 1: there with a couple of number ones under your belt

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Speaker 1: and lots more to comb. There you go. I'm just

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Speaker 1: so proud of you and listen and I love your story.

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Speaker 1: I love you as a human being. I always have.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, this is not something that's I'm just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: let's have Jimmy on because he can speak to this though.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy's my friend and I we've been hanging out on

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Speaker 1: radio for a long time. We haven't, we haven't. So

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Speaker 1: Jimmy appreciated My best of your family. Give Alexis my

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Speaker 1: best as well, and y'all take care. We'll see soon.

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Speaker 1: Your family, I say hello as well, and everybody out

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Speaker 1: there watching and listening, love yourself, love everybody. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So much for supporting the country music family, not just

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Speaker 1: myself but every other artist out there. We appreciate and

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Speaker 1: look forward to saying you guys on the road soon.

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Speaker 1: Love you, Jimmy, thank you, I love you too. Rather

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