1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Welcome back 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noman. 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission Control deconds. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: are you, and you are here that makes this stuff 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Quick check in, Matt, 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: how's it going. Are you doing? Hey? Doing well? Hey? 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: You like the fonds over? Yeah? Things, Yeah, things are 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: are going well. I had this weird hair last night 13 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: where I noticed on the back fence and my property 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: there's just a ton of junk growing up around the 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: fence and through offence and on its old chain link fence, 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: and it's mostly like vines of some sort, and I 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: just I couldn't help it. I just started destroying all 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: the vines and just clasping them out the earth with salt. Nice. Nice. 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: I've always literally to literally do that. Is that where 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: the expression salt of the earth comes from? Or is 21 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: that different? I'm not familiar with the etymology there. Yeah, 22 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: in this case, it's killing all this stuff that's trying 23 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: to grow out. You're doing more of a scorched earth approach. Yeah, 24 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: what about you know, old checking in? How's it going? 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: Doing well? Thanks? Man? I got to piggyback a business 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: trip with family vacation. I brought my kid with me 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: to New York City and she hung out with her 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: godmother for a couple days when I worked and we 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: had adventures and it was a lot of fun, awesome, 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: And the check in that we liked institute applies to 31 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: you as well listening. So if you have an event 32 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: in your life that you would like to uh to 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: tell us and your fellow listeners about, feel Free, you 34 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: don't have to wait till the episode is over. You 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: could just pose it and give us a call. Now 36 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: we are one eight three three std W y t K, 37 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: and today we are off to camp. No, not a 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: summer camp, not a religious camp. Uh, none of those 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: sorts of camps. Were going to a camp that is 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: much more dangerous. We're exploring a genuine, literally explosive conspiracy 41 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: as well as a conspiracy theory. How can both of 42 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: those exist concurrently? Well, we will tell you inter Camp Minden. 43 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: Here are the facts. So there's a place called Webster Parish. 44 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: It's off of US Highway eight near doy Line, Louisiana, 45 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: between Minden, Louisiana and Bossier or Bossier City, probably Bossier City, Louisiana. 46 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: This thing, Camp Minden, is part of a larger compound 47 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: called the Louisiana Army Ammunition Plant or lap l a P. Yeah, 48 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: And the history of this place goes all the way 49 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: back the beginning of nineteen thirty nine and the government 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: and that is when the government used eminent domain, which 51 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: you were mentioning off airband. We have yet to do 52 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: an episode on I think we might need to correct that. Um. 53 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: They used this concept of eminent domain to acquire the 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: land before the United States entered a World War two. Yeah. This, uh, 55 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: this compound is just under fifteen thousand acres. Originally it 56 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: had a couple of different names. It was the Louisiana 57 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: Ordinance Plant or it was called the Shell Plant, alluding 58 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: to of course, artillery shells. And for the entirety of 59 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: its time since uh, since it was fully acquired, beginning 60 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: in thirty nine, going to forty one, it has been 61 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: owned by Uncle Sam but this is an important distinction. 62 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: It has been operated by private contractors. So back to 63 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: back to this this history, right, L A a P 64 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: was completed in just eleven months under the direction of 65 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: a contractor, Silas Mason. At the time time, this was 66 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere country. It was well where a family show. 67 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: It was just east of bumble F, if you know 68 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: what I mean. And there were very few people here. 69 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: So from a uh, congressional or state pork budget kind 70 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: of perspective, it makes sense to have this kind of 71 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: operation there, especially if you're dealing with ordinance or something 72 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: that might be dangerous. You don't want that in downtown 73 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: New Orleans, right Yeah. And it also makes sense of 74 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: the time that there that they needed a lot of 75 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: ammunition was right around World War Two, right, So, uh, 76 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: in May ninety two, there were a total of eight 77 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: production lines that were opened, and then by December nineteen 78 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: forty four, the number of employees hit its peak at 79 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: just under eleven thousand, ten thousand, seven hundred and fifty 80 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: four And that was in the month of the Battle 81 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: of the Bulge. That is a major operation. Yeah. Well, 82 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: I mean, think about all the ammunition that was deployed 83 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: during that conflict during World War two. Um, you needed 84 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: a lot of it. This they were not They were 85 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: certainly not creating all of the ammunition, but a good 86 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: portion of it. And then the plant was deactivated after 87 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: after the Summer of nine, right with v j D. 88 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: But here's a spooky fact. This is one of my 89 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: favorite things from the research. This place, Camp Minden and L. A. A. P. 90 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: Are used interchangeably, so let's just call it Camp Menden. 91 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: Camp Minden is built on not one, but nine cemeteries. 92 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: Are any of those Native American burial grounds? Uh no, No, 93 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: there may be some people uh from Native American populations 94 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: buried there, but they were they were rural cemeteries. The 95 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: date through uh different time periods, and they are now. 96 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: You know, they got a little bit better treatment than 97 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: the the stories we hear about and things like Poultergeist. Right, 98 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: they weren't. They weren't just paved over. Uh. They are 99 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: under the care of the US government. So you can 100 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: see existing grave markers they took out. There were these 101 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: wooden grave markers, right, which you're not going to hold 102 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: up very well in the human environment of Louisiana. And 103 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: they were replaced with small concrete slabs. But the thing is, 104 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: the slabs don't have the names of the deceased listed 105 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: on the markers. They're just slabs, which is pretty sad, right. 106 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: The cemeteries are Allentown Crew, Jim Davis, Keene, Nottingham, uh Rain, Richardson, 107 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: Van Orsdell, and Walker, and the people who are buried 108 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: there have their dates of birth and death and maybe 109 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of other information. But the problem is, 110 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: even if you are a descendant and you know where 111 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: your ancestors buried there, you can't visit the grounds to 112 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: look for the grave. Uh, you can't. You can't find 113 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: them by the name, you know what I mean. So 114 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: so it is that it is the site of nine 115 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: cemeteries that the public is largely prohibited from visiting. That 116 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of stuff to do ostensibly with 117 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: today's episode, but it's weird. It is very weird that somehow, 118 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: through eminent Domain, the government just purchased without really realizing it, 119 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: nine cemeteries stole the dead, stole your dead. If you 120 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: if you are descended from someone buried in those cemeteries 121 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:37,119 Speaker 1: and they're manufacturing ammunition that steals life, that's wow. Yeah, 122 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: maybe maybe we have an episode in the future on 123 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: the strangest cemeteries. We've never done that. Let's do it. 124 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: Let's do it like I'm keeping count eminent domain strangest cemeteries. 125 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: But anyway that that's a little bit of a side note. 126 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: We do know that to your point, Matt, we see 127 00:07:54,560 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: we see production Wax and Wayne with this, uh, with 128 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: global conflict, right, the thing is not always open and 129 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: pumping out bullets seven. Yeah, it was restored after World 130 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: War two during the Korean conflict. Uh. And this was 131 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: under Remington Rand the I'm assuming the company that actually 132 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: was there producing the stuff at the facility, and that 133 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: was in nineteen fifty one. Then employment at that time 134 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: went from roughly zero to five thousand in nineteen fifty three, 135 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: I guess, from zero before then up to five thousand three. 136 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: Now at Campmenden there was a metal forging a machining 137 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: plant area and it was known as the y Line 138 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: Chromic Acid Etching Facility, the y Line Chromic Acid Etching Facility. 139 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: And it's fun to say, even just in in full um, 140 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: but it manufactured these specific one five millimeter projectiles. Would 141 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: that be? What kind of weapon with that? Is that 142 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: just like a specific alber of bullet or is this 143 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: like almost like a larger that seems large? Certainly projectiles, 144 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: my friend, and there are a hundred and fifty five 145 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: millimeters Okay. A quick Google search indicated that these would 146 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: have fed an M seven seven seven howitzer, which is 147 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: one of those cannon looking things that are on wheels. Yeah, 148 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: they're also I think they're um kind of an all 149 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: purpose standard, at least in NATO. I don't. I don't 150 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: know about on the other side of the curtain at 151 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: this time as they called it. But yeah, these are Yeah, 152 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: these are not for handguns or enough for handguns that 153 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: you could actually use. These howitzers are the ones that 154 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: you have to click click, click and get them to 155 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: go up at an angle and they shoot. They kind 156 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: of lobb these this ordinance and has a nice arc 157 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: trajectory and then comes down almost like a mortar round. 158 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: I don't think it's quite a more around, but it 159 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: is definitely not something you would fire point blankets. Something 160 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: you would shoot it and have an arc sounds terrified 161 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: it does. So the plant is again reactivated during the 162 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: Vietnam conf like the Vietnam War that was September nineteen 163 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: sixty one, and this time by a different Rand, Sperry Rand, 164 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: and this contractor held it until nineteen seventy five. As 165 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: that conflict was continuing, it produced all kinds of things minds, fuses, 166 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: shaped charges, bombs, boosters, demolition blocks, projectiles, really all the hits, 167 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: all the things that make humans um no longer humans. 168 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: And during this time there were a couple of things 169 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: that went wrong in the facility, a couple of tragic 170 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: accidental explosions in nineteen sixty two and then again in 171 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight. But the show must go on, whether 172 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: we're talking war or Broadway musical, right, So over the 173 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: next few decades, employment waxed waned in this facility, as 174 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: we said, depending upon the ammunition needs of the military. This, 175 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: by the way, played economic havoc with the local community 176 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: because this was one of the primary sources of employment 177 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: for the surrounding area. There are a lot of town 178 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: in Mississippi, UH in Louisiana, and even in Alabama as 179 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: well where the primary employer is a contractor or a 180 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:16,359 Speaker 1: federal agency of some sort. I used to in another 181 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: life being close contact with people who would role play 182 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: for military training in Louisiana and their job was to 183 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: act either as you know, terrified civilians or belligerent civilians 184 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: in case of urban warfare reenactments, and it was terrible. 185 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: They were paid like six bucks an hour. Well that's 186 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: a really important skill because after the war ends, you've 187 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: got a pretty lucrative career as a reenactor on your hands. 188 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: There you go. Does remind me of the Lake City 189 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: Quiet Pills episode that we did, Yes, yes, which I 190 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: was thinking of earlier. That that's a real thing and 191 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 1: that we did. Okay, that was pretty well done. You know, 192 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: thanks for everyone who wrote in to check on that, 193 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: because that while that particular team we don't want to 194 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: spoil this for you, but while that particular team associated 195 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: with Lake City Quiet Pills is largely out of the 196 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: running now from what we understand, uh, there are multiple 197 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: other let's call them independent operatives, independent post military operatives 198 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: out there with surprisingly affordable rates. This is not a 199 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: recommendation to hire them. Just want you to know that 200 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: it's a real thing. So anyway, the whole role playing 201 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: thing that I mentioned is just to show how reliant 202 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: many rural communities can become on these things. So imagine 203 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: that the only solid job you can get in your 204 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: town is making making ammunition for the army. And then 205 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: the war stops and your job stops. What are you 206 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: gonna do? You know? So let's fast forward to the president. 207 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: This pattern exists, right, this waxing, this waning, this up 208 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: and down frequency. Uh, and explosions aren't gonna stop the show. 209 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: On August six, there's another explosion. And this is during 210 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: the time where the areas run by Enough it creatively 211 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: named Explosive Systems Incorporated. They had a site that was 212 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: least at Campmenden, and bombs there were disassembled and recycled 213 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: in theory. Uh. This explosion in two thousand six led 214 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: to the evacuation of six hundred school children nearby. Luckily 215 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: there were no injuries or fatalities that time around. However, 216 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: this was still not the last explosion. UM, maybe we 217 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: can hate mission control? Can we throw to a clip here? 218 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: Of First, I saw the sky light up in the west, 219 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: just allowed and I was no noise. Now, I just 220 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: lit up and I had caught my eye. I looked 221 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: out to the west and then at the light died down. Look, boys, hey, 222 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: what was that? He looked up? Now I saw that 223 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: and it lit up again, and then next week we 224 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 1: heard a lile boom. It was like a sunset, it 225 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: was so bright. So what's that guy describing in that clip, Well, 226 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: he is describing a massive explosion that he saw take 227 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: place at the plant. But yeah, and and this is 228 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: the one in two thousand twelve, or is that this 229 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: is and this is the one that was It was huge, 230 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: just fifteen million pounds of this stuff called M six 231 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: propellant UM. And this is again the Explode Systems Incorporated, 232 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: the company that's operating it. UM. It was uh huge. 233 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: I mean the way he's talking about it, it it sounds 234 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: like a nuclear explosion. When you see the old footage 235 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: of those or maybe one of the ones at a 236 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: chemical plant in China that I think many of us 237 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: have probably seen videos of, UM, it sounds massive it 238 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: and it was. It just just rocked Camp Minden. It 239 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: shattered windows up to four miles away, and it created 240 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: a seven thousand foot mushroom cloud that ended up like 241 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: the stuff that's in that cloud ended up contaminating much 242 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: of the surrounding area. We were talking a little bit 243 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: about this offt air and then I'm no spoilers for anyone, 244 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: But this is something that really happened. It reminds me 245 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: of the Chernobyl incident when which fantastic series on HBO 246 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: right now, when that explosion took place, people could see 247 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: it from miles away in the city, and it didn't 248 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: create a mushroom cloud, but it created this crazy like 249 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: light shining up in the sky and people were just 250 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: remarking upon it about how beautiful it was. It's very 251 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: upsetting the way it's portrayed in the show. So the 252 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: vast majority of people in two thousand and twelve and today, 253 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: and if we're being honest, any time after World War 254 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: two are going to equate a mushroom cloud with what 255 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: a nuclear detonation? So the question immediately becomes what the 256 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: hell happened? Encampmented, we'll explore the answers after a word 257 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. So remember 258 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: those contractors we mentioned earlier. That's probably one of the 259 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: most important points of the first part of our show 260 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:09,479 Speaker 1: is that while this is uh an Uncle Sam production, 261 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: well Uncle Sam is you know the studio or whatever. 262 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: The people doing the work. Are these private contractors, you know, 263 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: a panopoly of Rand's uh A number of any other contractors, 264 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: Explo Systems was one of the most prominent. So those 265 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: of us are hearing this name or starting to put 266 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: the pieces together, right, XPLO Systems not the not the 267 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: most brilliant, uh the most brilliant creative naming, but like 268 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: explo short for explosion, right or maybe exploration Maybe I'm profiling, 269 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: But what is slash was Explo Systems. They were a 270 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: private company whose primary business operations of all the demilitarization 271 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: of military munitions and then of course, uh selling those 272 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: things again like the red explosive materials. Um that you'll 273 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: find an operation, well, you'll find it, Okay, let's put 274 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: it this way. You find munitions that were used in war, 275 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: were meant for war, and then you're gonna resell or 276 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: repurpose those for mining. Okay, alright, so maybe mining maybe 277 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: also construction h such as the creation of roadways they 278 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: cut through mountains, you have to blast rock or through 279 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: or tunnel through rock exactly. Reminding like that, you can 280 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: even imagine using it for like demolition of something that 281 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: you need for a house or for a big facility 282 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: something like that. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, have you have 283 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: you guys seen actual demolition in real life, you have. 284 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: We had a big one here in town recently that 285 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: was an al archive building that they took down. Um, 286 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: and that's the kind of do it from the bottom down, 287 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. I went to I went to see 288 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: that and one of our friends of the show producer 289 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: here named Ramsey Unt was filming it. It was weird. 290 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: We've met the governor who is dressed like a leather 291 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: cowboy at the time. It's it's very very strange. Also 292 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: very early in the morning because they don't want to 293 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: mess up traffic, so he was wearing his demolition outfit. 294 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, perhaps that was it. Perhaps that was it. 295 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: But but I asked that. I mentioned that just because 296 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, these are legitimate uses for this, this kind 297 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: of substance, right, you know, there's nothing against the law 298 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: about demolition building. There are actually quite a few laws 299 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: about how to do it correctly. And just a little 300 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: background on on the substance and question. This M six propellant, 301 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: it's a military grade explosive propellant that's used for triggering 302 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: firing off this heavy artillery like those housers and we 303 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: were talking about um and it actually comes in bags 304 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: and these grains that are different shapes and sizes, and 305 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: they're very large. They can be up to an inch long. 306 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: And the bags almost picture it is like an explosive 307 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: bean bag that's packed into the bottom of the gun, 308 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: depending on how far the projectile needs to go. So 309 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: there's different they're grade at different for distance, right, right, right, 310 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: And there are different formulations of propellants. Right. M six 311 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: is only one of these. But the thing about is 312 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 1: that this is one of the most common, you know, 313 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: because it's it's easier when you manufacture a scale, it's 314 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: easier to manufacture the same thing repeatedly, right, rather than um, 315 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: a mixed fruit cup, you should probably launch itself. So 316 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: so yes, the U S Army one it xplode two 317 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: take all of this unused propellant and to store it 318 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: and then resell it. And they're already kind of sitting 319 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: pretty right. We're paying you, we're paying you millions of 320 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: dollars for this stuff that we're giving you. You just 321 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: have to pay to store it. But then you resell it, 322 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: and Explo says, Okay, here's what we're gonna do. We're 323 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: gonna sell it to uh to you know, like that 324 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: Chicago poem by Carl Sandberg. We're gonna We're gonna sell 325 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: it to the construction workers. We're gonna sell it to 326 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: the the butcher's, the hog stackers, or whatever of the world. 327 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: Anybody needs to blow something up, anyone who needs to 328 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: blow something up in a lawful way gets get some 329 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: of this M six. Everything must go. So the contract 330 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: had all the basic requirements, right, Explode needed to document 331 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: the sale of everything. They needed to certify its compliance 332 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: with federal law and submit official certificates to the Army, 333 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: just by the book, the way you would have to 334 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: handle any transaction with any hazardous material. Right spoiler alert. 335 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: They did not do that, not once, not never. So 336 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: what did they do? Okay, so let's just recap The U. S. 337 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: Army actually spent eight points Say they awarded XPLO. And 338 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: when I hear explo, what's the what's the second part? 339 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: XPLO two systems. I think of that tenaceous D song 340 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: explo Civo every time, So I'm just gonna call it 341 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: Explosivo from now. Yeah, they gave they awarded a splow 342 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: eight point six million dollars in contract funds to demilitarize 343 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: one point three five million propelling charges that contained this 344 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: M six propelling Okay, just to recap. So they didn't 345 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: do that? What did they do? Okay, it turns out 346 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: they entered into a very very real life conspiracy, which 347 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: we love here on stuff they don't want you to know. Uh, 348 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: the management of Explode didn't even make an attempt at 349 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: reselling any of these explosives. Instead, they stockpiled them super 350 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: weirdly stockpile, and I would say is a very generous term. 351 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: Stockpiling makes it sound orderly or labeled. Let's call it hoarded. 352 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: That yes, that's a yes, very unsafely right, because the 353 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: bags we mentioned that contained the M six are opened, 354 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: they're opened to the air, they're laying around in corners, 355 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: and they're intentionally hidden, you know, like in episodes of 356 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: Hoarders where someone says, all right, this pile of papers, uh, 357 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: this pile of entertainment weeklies from the early nine nineties 358 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: is fine, but I don't want them to know how 359 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: many dead cats I have. So I'm gonna put those 360 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: in a corner behind the used diapers, which are perfectly, 361 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: perfectly respectable things to hoard. So they so they treat 362 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: these things like dead cats, right, they hide them in 363 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: these various corners. They hide them away from the places 364 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: where they would legally be required to put them because 365 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: officially now these stockpiles do not exist. From January to November, 366 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: Explode ran a con game on the United States of America. 367 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: They submitted false certificates to the U. S. Army. They 368 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: were supposed to submit real certificates. Uh. They they under 369 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: cover of night. If we want to be dramatic. They 370 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: transported hazardous waste to facilities where it was illegal to 371 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 1: store them, and then they stored them, you know, like 372 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: just tossing bags around into the corner and some If anything, 373 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: it's a surprise that this stuff didn't explode earlier. And 374 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: the reason they did it this way is because they 375 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: were able to continue milking the government for money by 376 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: by saying, Okay, we've sold this to these people, or 377 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: but you know, just keep paying these invisible things that 378 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: we have set up. Uh. They even said that they 379 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: even made up sales. They just completely said, okay, we 380 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: sold this to this other company that may or may 381 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: not exist. Wait a minute, are you telling me that 382 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: a company that has like a name that sounds like 383 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 1: it's straight out of like idiocracy was not only up 384 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: and up, and then a company called Explode Court or 385 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: whatever systems Systems was going to make stuff that would 386 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: go boom? Is that what you're telling me? And hang 387 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: on to it? And they were not going to let 388 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: that stuff go. It makes you wonder who they were 389 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: really going to sell it to, what they were actually 390 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: going to do with it. Possibly some sort of strange 391 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: foreign deal with military militant groups. Right, I'm just conjecturing here, 392 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna look into some of that. And it definitely 393 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: feels like they they wanted to make more money on it, 394 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: or they at least should have, because that's just more 395 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: money on top if you're you're already got a contract 396 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: to sell it and now you're selling it. Uh. But 397 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: that's officially what those false certificates are doing, right, They're 398 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: getting paid for nothing. Weren't they supposed to decommission it though? 399 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: And my misunderstanding here, like, weren't they supposed to like 400 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: render it inert or get rid of it? Like I 401 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: don't understand why were they holding onto it? Capitalism, baby, 402 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: skip the turkey goes straight for the gravy. Uh. Yeah, 403 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: Demilitarizing it would mean that they remove the propellant from 404 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: any associated uh paraphernali or equipment that would make it 405 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: a weapon of war. So it's like it's like, yeah, 406 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: maybe it's illegal to sell cars, but it's legal to 407 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: sell gasoline, right, That's what makes a car go. So 408 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: their job is to take the gasoline out of the 409 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: car and just sell the gas And what they did 410 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: instead was they took the cats out and then you 411 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: know again, they put it in open bags and threw 412 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: it in the corpa on top of and then they 413 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: said they sold it. It's I mean, it's and laughing 414 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: because it's ridiculous. It's catch twenty two level or idiocracy 415 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: level to to your point nal kind of stuff. So 416 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: the explo officials, including vice president Operations, a guy named 417 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: William Terry Wright, in addition to making up these sales, 418 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: they also did not tell the people uh in these 419 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: third parties that they that they were uh allegedly buying 420 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: this stuff, so these other companies have no idea what 421 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: the hell is going on. They also had their signatures 422 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: forged or fabricated, and then the people at the top 423 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: of the chain, the executives, order lower level employees too 424 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: not only move this stuff once, but to move it 425 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: multiple times whenever government officials come around to check in 426 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: on things. So imagine you get the call and say, okay, 427 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: we need to move again, like to your point, man's 428 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: millions of pounds of explosives or propellants and highly dangerous 429 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: and just continually moving it around in this big facility. 430 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: It just seems like a recipe for disaster totally, and 431 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: the and the uh, the forgery doesn't stop there. This 432 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: con game, like a lot of con games, is not 433 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: sustainable over the long terms, so it quickly kind of 434 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: spirals downward and they have to create more and more 435 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: false documents to try to cover up their original lie 436 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: or their mistake or their oversight or whatever you want 437 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: to call it, depending on how charitable you feel about 438 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: the human condition as you hear this today. So one 439 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: other example would be that they started making fake paperwork 440 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: for landfills in Louisiana and Arkansas to say that the 441 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: stuff they did they did actually ship to landfills, was 442 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: not hazardous. It was a spoiler alert. So all of 443 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: this added up to you said millions of pounds, that's 444 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: literally seven thousand, eight hundreds something tons of m six 445 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: propellant that is just hidden at Camp Minden, and eventually 446 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: they get discovered because of that enormous explosion. And we 447 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: played that clip to take a to take us all 448 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: back in that in that time and space. You know, 449 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: imagine where you live, whatever when you hear the word home, 450 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: whatever you think of when you hear the word home, 451 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: imagine that one one afternoon, you know, one night, whatever 452 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: you hear this, you don't even hear a sound. The 453 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: ground beneath you shakes, the windows shatter, you hear ten 454 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: thousand car alarms go off at once, right, dogs and 455 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: cats or going crazy? Uh in the and then the 456 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: sky lights up and you see things flying through the sky, 457 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: which is a detail that becomes very important later. Of course, 458 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: you think that it's an act of violence, right, It 459 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like an accident. It's a violent act that 460 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: feels like an act of violence. Hey, I was very 461 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: well done, man. A violent act that feels like an 462 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: act of violence. Yes, just so. Uh So the news 463 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: goes crazy right there. They're trying to figure out what happened. Uh, 464 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: They're they're asking all these questions. Well, we'll bracket that 465 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: for a second. So let's just go to what the 466 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: authorities initially said. Captain Doug Kane, who was a spokesman 467 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: for the State Police, said that the surprise, surprise, the 468 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: cause of this massive explosion was all this M six 469 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: propellant used as as you had noted nol in Howitzer's 470 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: and other artillery. The pellets are mainly this compressed substance 471 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: called nitro cellulose. It's also sometimes called gun cotton. Authorities 472 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: initially said there was a total of four hundred and 473 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: fifty tons after an investigator looking into that October fifteenth 474 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: explosion saw cardboard boxes and rows and rows of palates 475 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: just chilling behind a building. But then they found more 476 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: stacked in sheds and warehouses and they started trying to 477 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: move They started trying to move it, uh, and it wasn't. 478 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: The problem they had was that for a minute, this 479 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: hoarding or hiding away of this stuff actually worked Legally. 480 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: They were supposed to put this in a thing called 481 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 1: a storage magazine, and they had instead hidden it away 482 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: because they wanted it to look like they were selling 483 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: this stuff. Stuff was also known as flash paper. You 484 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: might have heard it referred to as such. So they 485 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: had they had tried to move it back and forth. 486 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: The authorities are trying to move the stuff that hadn't exploded, 487 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: and that is the official narrative so far. That's the 488 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: official That's what you will hear on the news. That's 489 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: what you will hear when you read about the the 490 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: later court cases and stuff that come about because of this. However, 491 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: there is more to the story. Some people you see, 492 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: allege that a cover up exists. What are we talking about. 493 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: We'll tell you after a word from our sponsor and 494 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: we're back. So, as we said, what we've explored thus 495 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: far is the official story. That's the thing that comes 496 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: across the news waves to you, the the pr documentation. 497 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: Let's you know, that's what's going on, and uh, that's 498 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: what goes down in the history books. But guess what, 499 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: there are other ex nations out there, some a little 500 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: more odd than others, but almost all of them reek 501 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: of some kind of cover up that was a foot here. 502 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: And like we said before, given that massive mushroom cloud, 503 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: it's completely understandable that some people would fear and nuclear detonation, right, 504 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: or some kind of attack at least, or you know, 505 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: something went wrong other than an accident, right, And the 506 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: the idea of nuclear powered terrorism is at the forefront 507 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: of a lot of people's minds due to active negotiations 508 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: with the DPRK in the attempt to verify just arm nukes, 509 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: the concerns of quote unquote rogue nukes or suitcase nukes, 510 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: the dirty bombs, dirty bombs, the dirty bombs that to 511 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: be confused with our local dirty birds, also sometimes bomb 512 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: sports jokes. So it's interesting because the Shreveports Times shortly 513 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: after this reported a number of what you could call 514 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories or alternative theories, or at the very least 515 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: contract eyewitness reports that contradict the official narrative. But that 516 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: article and subsequent related articles appeared to have been scrubbed 517 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: from the Internet. It could not find them, even using 518 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: one of our favorite tools, the way back machine. Man, 519 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: I love that thing. Uh. One article that did survive 520 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: is pretty fascinating. Uh. If not, well, let's present it 521 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: first for everyone's consideration without commentary, and then maybe we 522 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: can go back and and and pick it apart a little. 523 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: This comes to us from Joe Quinn, who was writing 524 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: at op ed news dot com. So in op ed 525 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: news dot Com, Joe Quinn reports that folks across Texas Louisiana. 526 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: Mimmissippi saw bright flashes in the sky, and he described 527 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: them having seen fireball trails as well. And then Shreveport, 528 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: the Shreveport area of northwest Louisiana, a lot of folks 529 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: heard um earth shaking booms that caused houses to rattle 530 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: in their foundations and windows were broken all throughout Minden. Um. 531 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: And so here's a quote from Amy Mealy, who was 532 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,479 Speaker 1: one of the residents who lived just a couple of 533 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: miles from Camp Menden. Yeah, she genuinely thought that she 534 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: was being bombed. That's what That's what she said. I 535 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: honestly thought we were being bombed. And she said it 536 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: was one of the scariest things that she's ever been through. Um. 537 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: And you know, she was like, she describes how she's 538 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: checking some emails. Right, she's about to go to bed. 539 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: You look at your phone or whatever you can do 540 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: your check your email, make sure everything's okay. And she 541 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: said she had an odd feeling in the pit of 542 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: her stomach. She said it was quote like a rolling 543 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: thunder in the distance. And and then she said it 544 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: was getting closer and closer, and she said she felt 545 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: everything moving with me. I could literally feel it moving 546 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: towards me. That's a that's pretty crazy, right and and 547 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: that's right before are the actual explosion hit. Ah See, 548 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: the chronology becomes interesting here yet because dozens of people 549 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: that's still from op ed news. Dozens of people Quinn 550 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: Rights called the Webster Parish Sheriff's office, as well as 551 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: the local news station k s l A News twelve, 552 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: and they reported seeing flashes of light in the sky 553 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: and hearing multiple loud booms that shook houses. The sheriff's 554 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: office initially stated that there was a quote possibility that 555 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: a meteor hit the ground in the area. The following morning, however, 556 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 1: they recanted, and the parish sheriff at the time, Gary Sexton, 557 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: said that has Matt Experts told him what people had 558 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: seen and heard was an underground bunker containing explosives that 559 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: blew up that late night on October fift Not only 560 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: was there nothing to see here, but the explosion quote 561 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: worked exactly as it was designed to do, and the 562 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: use of the phrase designed was somewhat unfortunate for the 563 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: sheriff department at that time because it left the door 564 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: open for conjecture. Quinn and other people who doubt the 565 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: official narratives still have questions. Quinn puts it this way beautifully. 566 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: He says, what are the odds that add around the 567 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: same time as people across three states Mississippi, Texas, and 568 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: Louisiana and hundreds of miles apart, we're seeing what was 569 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: clearly a meteorite comment fragment burning up in the lower 570 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: earth atmosphere, a munition stump would explode at the same time. 571 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: More to the point, if a munition stump did explode, 572 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: what are the odds that a meteorite or comment fragment 573 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: that many eyewitnesses believe hit the ground in the area 574 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: would be in no way connected to the explosion. So enticing, tantalizing, tempting, right, 575 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: But we also have to we also have to think 576 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: about how close the timeline can become. Here, it could 577 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: seem like a meteor right, depend on somewhere someone standing 578 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: and what they're seeing at the time. We've talked about 579 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: this before with moufon and different UFO observations. Right. Light, Yeah, 580 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: light in the atmosphere can be tricky. Yeah, the whole 581 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: thing is one big shamalan and the the problem is 582 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: that someone could be far enough away that they see 583 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: a light, but they don't hear a sound or necessarily 584 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: feel a tremor. Right, so they could see debris from 585 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 1: an explosion launched so high that they feel they're watching 586 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: a meteor crash. So it could just be the explosion. 587 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: But but that hasn't prevented people from saying, no, there 588 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: is a cover up a meteor hit. And then they 589 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: that's the thing for me. They blew up a military 590 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: base to cover it up. It's kind of like the 591 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: Titanic conspiracy. And they're like, the best way to kill 592 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: the people who don't like the Federal Reserve is to 593 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: get them on this mat of boat. So it seems 594 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: that if we're exercising Akam's razor here, the idea between 595 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: the two conspiracies, the idea that there's a cover up 596 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: of a cover up. Right. Uh, it seems that maybe 597 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: the mundane answer is the more accurate one, but it 598 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: doesn't make it any less disgusting in terms of corruption. Uh. Luckily, 599 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: and there are two pieces of good news here. First, thankfully, 600 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: no one that we know of was actually injured in 601 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: this in this debacle, And second, in a in a 602 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: rare example of corporate justice, the higher ups that explode 603 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: did end up going to court. So it wasn't just 604 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: you know the way it happens with banks. It wasn't 605 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,399 Speaker 1: just that the bank was fined some portion of their 606 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: profits and was able to write it off as a 607 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: cost of doing business. Uh. The individuals involved actually had 608 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: lee consequences. Yes. The the co owner a man named 609 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: David Alan Smith who was sixty three years old at 610 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: the time. Uh. He was sentenced to fifty five months 611 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: in prison because of all this. Yeah and uh and 612 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: also three years of supervised I guess what what is 613 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: that super supervisor essentially? Um and uh after he was released, 614 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: and he was also find thirty four million dollars what 615 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: almost like almost, well, this guy is super rich man. 616 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: Well it was almost thirty five million. Again he's he's 617 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: the co owner of this company, right, and he was 618 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: taking part in that conspiracy we were talking about building 619 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: the government. There's a lot of rings of chernobyl in 620 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 1: this story. You know, not to spoil anything, but it's 621 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: like it's it's corruption, it's cover up, it's failure to 622 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: do the right thing to protect the people that live 623 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: in the vicinity of your you know, facility with very 624 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: dangerous things products at the center products at the center. Well, 625 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: and here's the thing, David Allen Smith, He's not the 626 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: only guy that went to prison. Right. There was William Terry, Right, 627 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: we mentioned him earlier. He was sentenced to sixty months 628 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: in prison, three years of supervised release. Uh. And he 629 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: because he wasn't an owner, I guess he was the 630 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: VP of operations, right. He had to pay just under 631 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty thousand in restitution for participating in 632 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: the criminal conspiracy. And there were three other big names 633 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: that also had to take a dive. Yeah. There was 634 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: a director of support technology, a man you know, Charles 635 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: Ferris Callahan. He was sixty nine UM from Shreveport. He 636 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: got twenty four months in the in the clink, one 637 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: year of supervised probation UM, and had to pay two 638 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: hundred and seven thousand, five nine nine bucks in restitution 639 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 1: for falsely representing facts in various documents. Then, of course 640 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: you get over to uh, Kenneth Wayne Lambkin. He was 641 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: the this is his title M six mill like as 642 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: in demolition program manager, all about the little snappy you 643 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: know shortenings. Well, yeah, and he got himself forty five 644 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 1: months in prison and three years of that old fun 645 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: thing supervised release or probation, and he was fined. And 646 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 1: you know again similarly um to William Terry Wright a 647 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: hundred forty nine thousand dollars in restitution and his was 648 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: for specifically making false statements. And last, but not least, 649 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: there was traffic and inventory control manager Lionel Wayne Coons 650 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: with a K who had to go with forty one 651 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: months in prison three years of supervised release, and he 652 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: got off relatively easily in terms of restitution. He only 653 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: had to pay ninety two thousand nine Only I don't 654 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: have that sitting around and how about you guys, But well, 655 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's it's kind of like anchoring on menus, 656 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: you know, the psychological thing where you show people a 657 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 1: larger price first and then you get them to forget 658 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: how high the lowest price thing is. We could we 659 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: should go into psychology of menus one day. Uh So 660 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: these people did actually go, they did go to court, 661 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: they did get found guilty. It was a real conspiracy. 662 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: The question for people who are out there a little 663 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: more in the fringe of the reporting is whether or 664 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: not there was a that was, whether or not this 665 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: conspiracy is a cover up for something else at play. 666 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: We did not find a ton of evidence for that. 667 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: It seemed more like the fog of war and the 668 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: panic of trying to report things as they're happening. But hey, 669 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: if you are from the area and you know something 670 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: else that was a miss at the time, we would 671 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. And also, if you're not 672 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: from the area, can you recall any other strange cases 673 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: like this in your neck of the Global Woods? What 674 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,959 Speaker 1: popped up in the news only to disappear a few 675 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: days later, like one day true story, long time listeners, 676 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: remember this one day here in our fair semi metropolis 677 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: US of Atlanta, piece of the highway just collapsed. Uh, 678 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: Interstate eight five and four. For several months afterwards. Uh. 679 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: The story that the local government was pushing was that 680 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: a homeless person who struggled with substance abuse problems had 681 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: set a fire in a shopping cart and that that 682 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: resulted in the bridge collapsing. Yeah, because stone totally melts, 683 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: you know, with the garbage can fires. Right, Well, I mean, 684 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, they're supposedly some other propellant down there are 685 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: things stockpiling Yeah, well under the bridge. Yeah, he recently 686 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: started an LLC. He was very Explode Party Incorporated. Ye, well, 687 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: they had to figure out some way to use all 688 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: those demilitarized ordinance you know, let's use it for a 689 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: nice fireworks display on the downtown Atlanta Skyline. It is alias, 690 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: of course, was Bridge Blowington. Yeah, so I I mean 691 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: that it's weird because that I A D five collapse 692 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,439 Speaker 1: is a pretty good example of how quickly these things 693 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: can pop in and out of the news. So we 694 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: would be curious to hear your stories or your versions 695 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: of this, because the truth of the matter is now 696 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: that our biological attention spans have been surpassed by our 697 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: technological ability to disseminate stories. So it is difficult. There's 698 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 1: that old saying that you know, you can't keep your 699 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: eye you can't watch every falling sparrow or whatever. Uh. 700 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: For humans, that's always been difficult, and now it is impossible. 701 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: So it's quite it's it's it's not even possible. It 702 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 1: is plausible that some crazy thing happened in like Scranton, Pennsylvania, 703 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: and only the people in part of Scranton, Pennsylvania know 704 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: what went down. We want to hear those stories. We 705 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,280 Speaker 1: want to share them with your fellow stlers. Yes, please 706 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: find us all over the place, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. I 707 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: mean you can do all those things. Call our number 708 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 1: one eight three three s t W y t K. 709 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: Give us the scoops because we want to. We want 710 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: to spread those two scoops two and a half if possible, 711 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: but keep it to three minutes. How many scoops are 712 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 1: in Raisin brands? Just raisins that's on accounting the brand. 713 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: What size scoop though, that's the question. You know, they're 714 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,479 Speaker 1: fairly vague about it. It looks, you know, they don't 715 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 1: give you the volume of the scoops, show the scoop, 716 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: and they kind of they kind of imply that all 717 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: other cereals are short scooping you I agree, I agree, 718 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: And then it says actual size underneath the scoop. It 719 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: doesn't actually And if you feel so compelled, uh, you 720 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: want to explore any of our private lives, um, you 721 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 1: can check me out on Instagram where I am. I've 722 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: changed it up, I am now at how now Noel Brown? Wow, Yeah, 723 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: it's time for a change. I like it. And Brionic 724 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: Insider that was that was a relic from my past. 725 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: Kind of move on, let's see you can see me. Uh. Currently, 726 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,800 Speaker 1: I managed to get in and out of Belgium without 727 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 1: too much weird customs stuff. You can see some of 728 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 1: the stories from that over it at ben Bolan. Uh 729 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: funny story. I ran in the same customs agent going 730 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 1: out as they did going in, and I think I 731 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: made a friend, maybe a fan of the show. I 732 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, if you, if you happen to be listening. 733 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: I mean conversely, you can check Matt out at at 734 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 1: t s A. Well. Yeah, you can also find me 735 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: at acts at XPLO summer um. It's you know, a 736 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: mission about education Matt. Matt has many aliases on the internet. 737 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: You can find me on at slightly darker sunglasses than yours. 738 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: These are all your kind of like heype beast kind 739 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 1: of accounts. Yes, uh, you know what if you don't 740 00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: want to do any of that, I don't want to 741 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: go on Instagram. Who we likes Instagram? Anyway, here's feeding 742 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: the machine, feeding the beast. You can do the old 743 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,800 Speaker 1: fashioned way. You can get in touch with us directly. Well, actually, 744 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 1: do we mention that Facebook group? Here's where it gets crazy. 745 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if we did or not. If we didn't. 746 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 1: You can go to that, but if you want to 747 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: do that either, you can also just send us a 748 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: good old fashioned email where we are conspiracy at i 749 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: heart radio dot com. Stuff they Don't Want You to 750 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: Know is a production of iHeart Radio's How Stuff Works. 751 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the i 752 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 1: heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 753 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:46,760 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.