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Speaker 1: up to exact its revenge. Good morning, degenerate anglers, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Bent the Fishing podcast that five out of six

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Speaker 1: time on his hands, Stew decides to buy himself a

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Speaker 1: little discount corrective eye surgery. The results are just about

427
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Speaker 1: exactly what you expect. He also manages some severe food

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Speaker 1: poisoning before finally getting out of the city with a

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Speaker 1: twisted gut and a busted bleary and leaky eye. After

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Speaker 1: meeting with Paul, Stu gets onto the ostensible purpose of

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Speaker 1: the trip, fishing for giant snakehead on Lake Temengore. This

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Speaker 1: book is not great literature. Don't expect polished phrasings, potent metaphors,

433
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Speaker 1: or soaring pros. This is just a damn good story

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Speaker 1: told by a compelling person. I don't want to give

435
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: too much away, but Stu spends many weeks exploring the lake,

436
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Speaker 1: living out of an aluminum boat in a sweltering jungle

437
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Speaker 1: with just a few tarps hammock, some basic supplies and

438
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Speaker 1: a few fishing rods. Stu runs that derelict boat around

439
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: a completely unfamiliar reservoir where a minefield of sunken stumps

440
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: high just under the surface and threatened to rip off

441
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: the lower unit Since this lake isn't yet an established

442
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: sport fishery, Stu spends much of his time looking for

443
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Speaker 1: fish and works through many fishless days. Nothing about the

444
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: trip sounds comfortable or glamorous. He spends every night in

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Speaker 1: a hammock or on bare ground, eats nothing but canned food,

446
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: and absorbs severe sunburn and constellations of insect bites in

447
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Speaker 1: addition to his busted eye. But for all the discomfort,

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00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: Stew's trip is rich and fascinating. He learns how to

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00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: find and target giant snakehead by searching for the schools

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Speaker 1: of juveniles that swim near the surface and are accompanied

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Speaker 1: by their full grown parents. He also discovers that, while protective,

452
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: those parents can't resist their predatory nature if one of

453
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: their young winds up struggling on the end of a

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Speaker 1: fishing line. He learns the habits of monkeys and watches

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Speaker 1: Asian elephants relic more than anything. Though Stu offers an

456
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: understated primer on how to embark on a phishing adventure

457
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: instead of a phishing trip. The cliche about valuing the

458
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: journey over the outcome usually strikes me as a justification

459
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: when someone falls short of their actual goal not the

460
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Speaker 1: case here. Stuke catches the big snakeheades after, but that's

461
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: not the climax of the story. The climax, if there

462
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Speaker 1: is one, is the slow build of relative comfort and

463
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: familiarity that Stull achieves with an unfamiliar and somewhat uninviting place.

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00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: Perhaps the best part about this book is that Stu

465
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: doesn't need to make himself the hero or the expert.

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00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: He's comfortable just being who he is. Here's the taste,

467
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: imagine it in a Scottish accent. In random remote areas

468
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: around the island. Paul would find enough signal, though never

469
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: a particularly strong one, to do his emails and stories.

470
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 1: He was tethered to the Internet, and this became a

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Speaker 1: common theme during our trip. He'd stay where he could

472
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Speaker 1: find signal and I'd go off in a different direction

473
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Speaker 1: on my own. This was fine, as we're both lone

474
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: wolf fishermen. Anyway, we'd catch up once or twice during

475
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Speaker 1: the week to talk it around the campfire and share

476
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Speaker 1: a few beers. For me, it was the perfect set

477
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: up for discovery, adventure and fishing. We had two boats

478
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: loaded up to last four to seven days at a

479
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: stretch Paul's boat was well set up for its size,

480
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: and mine was a similar four meter aluminum boat, though

481
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: not as well set up. Both vessels had been spray

482
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Speaker 1: painted and Paul's version of camouflage chic as he was

483
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: convinced this looked cooler and was less likely to scare

484
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Speaker 1: away fish than reflective aluminum. Paul gave me a quick

485
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Speaker 1: rundown of what was and wasn't on the boat and

486
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Speaker 1: how the engine worked. He was very relaxed about it all.

487
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: You'll figure it out, he kept saying. I hope, so,

488
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, though I was also glad that

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Speaker 1: he wasn't trying to babysit me. I was excited to

490
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: get on and do things for myself. We stopped on

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Speaker 1: a small island with steep banks and long grass. Paul

492
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: eased his boat between the tree stumps and onto the shoreline.

493
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: I cruised in behind him, more slowly and warily, and

494
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: eased my boat alongside his. I jumped out with my rope,

495
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: but as I did so, the boat shot forward and

496
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: the nose dipped downward, hitting Paul's electric trolley motor and

497
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: snapping the propeller in half. I was mortified here I

498
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: was on our first boat journey using equipment that Paul

499
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Speaker 1: had kindly loaned me, and within the hour his electric outboard.

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Speaker 1: It was not a good start. I did my best

501
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: to console Paul. I applied him with beer and let

502
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: him know that I would pay to get fixed right away.

503
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: He was pretty calm as he knew it was an

504
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: accident and here in the jungle, Well, what can you do.

505
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: At least the main outboard still worked. You have to

506
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: just learn to deal with it, he said. It is

507
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: what it is was, and at least nobody died. How

508
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: are you going to take the snake head book? All?

509
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm the snakehead guy. We got a travel

510
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: book about snakehead fishing, and you didn't pass it on

511
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: to me. Weren't you support You were supposed to send

512
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: me a copy of this book. So that's like double insult,

513
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: Like I got this great book and you love it

514
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: for and then you don't send the book and then

515
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: you do a segment on the book. Yeah, and I

516
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: was supposed to do that. That's true. Uh, your copy

517
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: sitting right here in my office. I can see it,

518
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: and I do feel a little bad, but only a little,

519
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: because yeah, Okay, you got the line on snakeheads. You're

520
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: the snakehead guy. But I actually got drunk with Stu,

521
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: the guy who wrote that book, one time in Florida,

522
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: So I'm I have as much right to claim that

523
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: book as you do. Yeah, you're the you'll end up

524
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: doing like a striper book next. Maybe I will. Maybe

525
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: I will, but I won't if you get off your

526
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: ass and beat me to it. You could do Philistines

527
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: anytime you want. Man, I'm not stopping you. Yeah, but

528
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: in this case, you did stop me. You failed to

529
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: send me the book, which is stopping me right now.

530
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: Never mind never mind that I can't actually really find

531
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: any time to read anymore like I used to. Also,

532
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: never mind that the trout magnets. I promise you arrived

533
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: at your restume you got that. I knew you were

534
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: going to do that, all right, whatever, You're a better person,

535
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: fair enough, that's fine. Uh. Getting off of this topic

536
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: is I'm clearly losing this and back onto the topic

537
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: that we were talking about, with cultural attitudes about fishing

538
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: and books. Do you know the classic children's book The

539
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: Tawny Scrawny Lion. No, I cannot say I've ever heard

540
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: it all right, all right, quick overview, because you gotta

541
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: kind of know it. It's about a lion who eats

542
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: all the animals in the jungle every day, but no

543
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: matter how much he eats, he's never satisfied. This book

544
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: is god awfully inaccurate and deeply messed up for a

545
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: lot of reasons. First, lions don't live in jungles. Second,

546
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: there's a whole thing about the lion eating kangaroos and

547
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: wrong continent, but factual errors aside the whole message of

548
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: this book. Maybe it was taken place during the time

549
00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: of panjaa oh God, but the over the mess age right.

550
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: The message from this kid's book is about how the

551
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: lion shouldn't be eating animals and and in fact, the

552
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: lion only finds happiness and satisfaction when he stops eating

553
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: all the animals and switches over to a diet of

554
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: pure carrots stew, which he gets which he gets from

555
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: his new friend, the rabbit. The rabbit teaches him a

556
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: different way of being the centers around eating only carrot

557
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: stew and being friends with all the animals that he

558
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: used to eat. All the animals except for the fish,

559
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: which the rabbit catches and puts in the magical carrot stew.

560
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: And again, there's so much wrong with this story in

561
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: terms of what we're teaching kids about, like natural systems

562
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: and predator prey relationships and what rabbits and lions actually

563
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: do and don't eat. But I have to bet like

564
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: the thing that's stuck out with me was its attitude

565
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: towards the fish, right, the whole the whole thing in

566
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: this book that's telling kids is eating animals is bad,

567
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: but eating fish totally cool, totally fine, all right, But

568
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: then when we talk about Nemo, then you have those

569
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: Nemo sharks with that whole fish or friends not food deal. Remember,

570
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: just left me wondering, then what do they eat us?

571
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: I know, do they only eat humans and scuba divers

572
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: and rip people off boats and eat birds and ship

573
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: because then that'd be it would be kind of painting

574
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: sharks in a bad light to the children. Anyway, Why

575
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: why are you asking me about this book? Where is

576
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: this coming from? Uh? My my mom was reading it

577
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: to my son over the computer the other day and

578
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: it really bugged me, and I haven't bill stop thinking

579
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: about it. So well, we should have her on and

580
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: ask her what it means to her like reading Rainbow,

581
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: Like what did she? What is? What is the message

582
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: she gets out of this? Anyway? Maybe maybe preoccupation This

583
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: will play into my favorite this week because maybe you've

584
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: just been too distracted to follow up on the headlines

585
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: and bring your a game in this week's fish news.

586
00:30:52,600 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: Fish news that escalated quickly, Okay, so very quickly. I'm

587
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: sure we all remember the finger lures that we covered

588
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: in sale Bin not long ago. I know you haven't

589
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: forgotten the ones, you know, the ones you insisted are

590
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: fake that I insist are real, and we need to

591
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 1: do an investigation and subsequent Netflix docuseries. Uh so this

592
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: is so. We we posted the photo of those finger

593
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: lures on our Instagram accounts, and man, did some people

594
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: weigh in. Furthermore, a bunch of you have have seemingly

595
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: done some sleuthing because we've gotten several links to other

596
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: fake silicone fingers for sale on online classified sites. Apparently

597
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: they're used for people learning to do nail work. I

598
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: didn't know that that somebody needs anyway, fair enough, but

599
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: here's the bad stuff. But here's the thing, regardless, right

600
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: as far as I've been scaring, ain't none of them

601
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: look as real or as good as the ones in

602
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: the fingerlure post like, none of them struck me as

603
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: that realistic. And I feel the need to just relay

604
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: this comment from Vince Stone, who has Vince has been

605
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: following me for years, and Vince is a mortician by trade,

606
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: and this is what what what he wrote to me

607
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: says as your favorite mortician, which he is, Um, I

608
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: can confirm that those are the realist replication of severed

609
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: fingers I have ever seen. There are details on those fingers.

610
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: You just won't know unless you've seen them in real life.

611
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: Bang plot thickens from a real life mortician. Thank you, Vince.

612
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: That's all I've got on that. But I'm just I'm

613
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: just saying I'm backing myself up. Yeah fair, I'll say

614
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: Vince's Vince is really gonna like one of my my

615
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: stories this week. I'm a little foreshadow in there. But Vince,

616
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: listen up, because I think we're gonna dig it. I'm

617
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: not gonna call anybody out by name, but a lot

618
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: of you have responded to the big mouth buffalo Finclips

619
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: did and I appreciate all that. And and looks like

620
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: some people have figured out some ways to catch him.

621
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: But but nobody seems to have fully cracked the code.

622
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: So I'm sticking by that being like the next big

623
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: super fun sport fish to figure out. Anyway, let's jump

624
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: into let's jump into the news. As always, this is

625
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: a competition. Joe and I have no idea what exactly

626
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: the other one is going to bring to the table.

627
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: We just know that we want to vanquish one another

628
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: into oblivion. And the man who holds the key to

629
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: that deciding factor, the decider himself, our engineer Phil. All Right, man,

630
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: it's your it's your week. Yeah, I do. I get

631
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: to I get to lead off here. Man, you've already

632
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: like you've already hinted that you're excited about one of

633
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: your stories. So I'm nervous here. But anyway, we'll we'll

634
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: start here. And while this is kind of a foreign

635
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: notion to you, and that's a good thing. Out here

636
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: on the East Coast, we are creeping in on trout

637
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: season and opening days of trout season in many states.

638
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: In fact, I've seened both of my news stories around

639
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: stock or trout, so I've been hitting the trout season,

640
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: by the way. That's yeah, I know but we're just

641
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: like allowed to. It's not because there weren't any their

642
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: last Tuesday until they came with the truck. It's just

643
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: a different thing. Uh. In some states have already opened

644
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: out here, I believe. And um, while people that live

645
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: in serious wild trout territory, like you don't maybe fully

646
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: get this rush to get out and beat on these

647
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: tank raged trout for better or words, right, this is

648
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: a big cultural thing here, you know what I mean,

649
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: Like my entire life, Opening day was the jam. I

650
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: actually had an easier time falling asleep on Christmas Eve

651
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: than the night before opening day trout when I was little.

652
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: And uh, I mean I retired from opening days many

653
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: years ago, but I'm thinking this might be the season

654
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: I dust off the change stringer because my kids are

655
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: like right about at the right age. So you know,

656
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: anyone planning to fish and well lake on opening Day

657
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: in Jersey, I'll be there dominating and I apologize for that.

658
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 1: But anyway, within these completely manufactured fisheries right there are

659
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: are three goals. One is to limit out and that's

660
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: the easiest goal. Two is to catch the breeder, like

661
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: you want to be the guy in the parking lot

662
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: with the queen pellet head on your Chaine stringer jangling, right, Um.

663
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: And then three is to stick a golden trout otherwise

664
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: known as a palomina. That's not golden trout, that's a

665
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: palomino trout. There's there's a difference. I'm you're right. Scientifically speaking,

666
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: you're you are correct, but they both terms are acceptable here. Um.

667
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: And if anybody doesn't know, like the ones I'm talking

668
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: about it, they're just hatchery rainbows that are bred to

669
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: basically be hunter orange and practically glow in the dark. Right,

670
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: So catching a palomino it's somewhat of a rite of passage.

671
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: So needless to say. When the state of West Virginia

672
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: canceled its annual gold rush last spring due to COVID,

673
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: people were extremely upset. Right, And according to the story

674
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: I found on West Virginia metro news dot com, the

675
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: annual gold rush is such a draw in West Virginia.

676
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: The state fear that the crowding it's known to cause

677
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: on lakes and streams could be them like super spreader events.

678
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: That's how many people are down on the gold rush.

679
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: So they mixed it. And and so you understand many

680
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: state stock palominos, but they're just kind of like you know,

681
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: they're just like scattered in the mix, which is why

682
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, as an example, they're often prized because there

683
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: might be one in an entire, you know, long stretch

684
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: of stock stream and everybody will be crowded around the

685
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: whole it's in because you can see the damn thing, right,

686
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: so it's like, who's going to get that one out

687
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: of the whole. But West Virginia raised fifty thousand golden

688
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: rainbows this year for the much anticipated gold rush, and

689
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: they'll be planted in sixty two bodies of water, both

690
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: lakes and streams. For comparison, Pennsylvania will be stocking a

691
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: mirror thirteen thousand golden statewide this year. So West Virginia,

692
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: I've I've learned from this maybe like the most golden

693
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: trout slash palomino obsessed state, um because what they do

694
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: is they dump all these fish in the same week.

695
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: So unlike other states where the palam and those are

696
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: mixed in with the regular stock dates, this is a

697
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: a a gold a gold blitz. It's a gold dump,

698
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: it's a gold dump. It's a gold blitz, if you will.

699
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: So here's a quote from the story. We start getting

700
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: calls around October asking if we have made plans for

701
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: next year's gold rush. There are people all over the

702
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: country who make vacation plans around the gold Rush, said

703
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: Jim Hedrick, hatchery systems manager for the West Virginia Division

704
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: of Natural Resources. So in the past, I guess there

705
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: have been some prizes involved for tag fish and such,

706
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: but this year the state is going bigger and better

707
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: than ever. Per the story, the agency has also created

708
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: some additional suspense around the fish this year. Catch a

709
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: tag trout and you could win a three night Cavin

710
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: stay at Blackwater Falls State Park, one night Cavin stay

711
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: at the state park or forest, a West Virginia State

712
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Parks gift card, or exclusive gold Rush merchandise. Right, And

713
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: so here's here's my opinion. Anything that gets people excited

714
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: to get out and fish cool, I'm all about it.

715
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: I personally have never really understood the appeal of these fish,

716
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: Like I never I never got it. And I mean

717
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: if you ask me, like what they're good for is

718
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: letting you know where other trout are. I mean it's like, oh,

719
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: there's a palomino, so there must be ten more trout

720
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: around it, but it's the term indicator species to a

721
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: totally different level spot on. But I I find them

722
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: like kind of gross and often dumb, and like people

723
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: post pictures of them on a grill and it's just

724
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: like it's like the koi, you know what I mean,

725
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: Like there's still bright art and after you've sprinkled them

726
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: with Mrs Dash and put them on the weber. You know. However,

727
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: that said, I I will admit that while I don't

728
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: ever seek them out, if I stumble on the one

729
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: by accident and there's nobody around, like you just can't

730
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: help it, because it's like a freaking magnet, Like it's

731
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: a magnet. And like what I refused to do, like

732
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: I said, is stand around a hold with ten other

733
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: dudes and like bombard one but mutual buddy of ours,

734
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: Tim Romano and I we were floating to local creekt

735
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: in my house a few years ago, late season, like

736
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: for small Mouth, and all of a sudden we spot

737
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: this big golden in a run far away from a

738
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: stock point and we sat there for like an hour

739
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: trying to catch it, like you just can't help it.

740
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: And it happened to me this past summer, same thing,

741
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: late day, super slow. Nothing happened except for this one

742
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: giant freaking golden trout, and um we sat there for

743
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: an hour, change in flies and like you see everything

744
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: that happened. So it's like you moved, oh man, turned

745
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: off of it, you know what I mean, and you

746
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: just like you get glued to it so little. That's

747
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: like a no no, So I I find here's a

748
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: Palomino tip for all you Palomino hungry people. It's like

749
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: you gotta crack him right away because he'll chase for

750
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: a while. But usually like they're aggressive if you like,

751
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: as soon as you throw a spinner or stick bait

752
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: or whatever or even drift a worm. But like they

753
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: get wise quick there. They are kind of aware. I mean,

754
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: every hawk and heron in the planet. It's just like

755
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: therey there he is. So you know, I don't know, man,

756
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I want to go to

757
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: the gold Rush, like it's a thing like even though

758
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: I don't care about Palomino's I'm interested in the West

759
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: Virginia gold Rush, all right. I have a couple of things.

760
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: Number One, I don't feel like that was a great

761
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: use of UM agency money. Because it sounds like the

762
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: gold rush is already such a thing, Like why are

763
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: you incentivizing that even for it seems to be like

764
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: if you're gonna spend that money spending on getting people

765
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: excited about like the catfish that nobody wants or or

766
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: the new River small mouth, I mean, I don't I

767
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: don't think that's the best use of resources, because I

768
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna need to incentivize people to go

769
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: after them from what you're describing. But more more to

770
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: the point, I just sort of feel bad for these fish, man, Like,

771
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: first of all, they're they're they're raised in this hatchery

772
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: laboratory setting to be this creepy, weird color, and and

773
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: so they live most of the life in a race

774
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: way or a hatchery pond, which can't be that great.

775
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: And then they get dropped somewhere and they just have

776
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: to live in fear because they're either being bombarded by

777
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: by anglers or attacked by predators. It seems like a

778
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: terrible life, is what I'm saying. You know it is,

779
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: it is probably a terrible life. But it's like out here, man,

780
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: like you will take our golden trout out of our

781
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: our cold dead hands. Like what I'm saying, I'm just

782
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm really saying that because that sets me

783
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: up to talk about my next story, which is what

784
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, which has to do with with, you know,

785
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: potentially feeling feeling bad for fish. Uh So, just so

786
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: you know that that whole thing was all about me

787
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: and getting to talk about what I want to talk about,

788
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: and it also need it also fits with the theme

789
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: of the show right that we've been talking about, which is,

790
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, feeling bad for fish, fish welfare, all that stuff.

791
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: So I recently read a Vox article titled the Next

792
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: Frontier for Animal Welfare colon Fish, and in reading the article,

793
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: I found out about a relatively new nonprofit called the

794
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: Fish Welfare Initiative. Now, considering the source article where I

795
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: found this group and their name, I was like, Oh, no,

796
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: here we go with the sea kittens again. God damn it.

797
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: But hold on, Actually, you know what, wait before I

798
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: keep going, I think that's the second time we've referenced

799
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: sea kittens on this show, and I feel like we

800
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 1: gotta explain that. So for those who have no clue

801
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Some years ago, PETA people for

802
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: the Ethical Treatment Animals put out this whole anti phishing

803
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: media campaign that tried to get everyone to stop calling

804
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: fish fish and start calling them sea kittens. Was that

805
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: the same campaign with the comic book called your Dad's

806
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: an Asshole or whatever it was. I don't Your Dad

807
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: is a murdering comic book by Peter I should have

808
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: kept it. I had it, and I tossed it. I

809
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: mean it was like like they really thought that just

810
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: this like simple rebranding exercise, would you know, convince the

811
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: world to completely change global commerce and food supply and

812
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: destroy the recreational fishing industry just because they made a comic.

813
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: And as we've also said it, it's worked in the

814
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: opposite way for Chilean sea bass say they changed their

815
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: name and they're all dead, So careful what you wish for.

816
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: And and shockingly, the sea kittens campaign it never really

817
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: took hold. It's kind of it. Also, have you seen

818
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: their more recent one, their most recent PR campaign to

819
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: two and this is a quote remove species is um

820
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: from our daily conversations by UH and the way they're

821
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: doing this by replacing idioms like kill two birds with

822
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: one stone with feed to birds with one scone or

823
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: bigger fish to fry becomes bigger fish to free. Man.

824
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: I try, I try to at least be respectful when

825
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: I see people working towards goals they genuinely believe that

826
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: are right, even if I totally disagree with them. But dude,

827
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: Peter just it's they're just such an easy target. I

828
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: can't help myself, I know, and I don't want to

829
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: get off. Remember when they made those photo frames for

830
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: social media, like Peter put out those, like you'd frame

831
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: a picture of an animal you loved to put this

832
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: auto pe to frame on it, and everybody thought it

833
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: was funny to just put their dead deer and bears

834
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: and stuff in that frame. In my opinion, I'm like,

835
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: don't do that, because I know you're trying to be funny,

836
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: but you're just still like terrible move. It's true anyway,

837
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: you know. Back back to the back to the this

838
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: is not a Pea story, back to the Fish Welfare Initiative,

839
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: which is also known as f w I. And like

840
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: I said, I thought they were gonna be going the

841
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: Peter out When I first read about that, I was like,

842
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: oh God, But their mission is much more practical, which

843
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: makes them harder for me to dismiss as opposed to PETA,

844
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: whose arguments are just like purely anthropomorphic and are purely

845
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: just just appealing to emotion. There's no logic there. F

846
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: w I focused on sound research and rational perspectives. Their

847
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: stated mission also has absolutely nothing to do with fishing,

848
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: so f w I wants to change fish farming. Fish

849
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: are the most farmed vertebrates in the world. Up to

850
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty billion fish are being raised at

851
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: any given time, and that numbers growing. But fish farms

852
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: have lots of issues that we've we've we've talked about

853
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: on this program before. Like we we are not huge fans.

854
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: They pollute ecosystems, harm populations of wild fish, and a

855
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: bunch of different ways allow non native species to get

856
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: into places they're not supposed to be. Feeding farmed fish

857
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: requires harvesting huge amounts of wild fish and pulling them

858
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: out and and and way back. A few months ago,

859
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: I did a story on loser fish, which is the

860
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: actually industry term for the twenty five percent of farm

861
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: fish to give up on life and stop eating and

862
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: never make it to harvestble size point being. Current fish

863
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: farming practices are are problematic. I totally agree there. Now,

864
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: the Fish Welfare Initiative realizes that aquaculture is the fastest

865
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: growing food sector worldwide, and their goal is to help

866
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: fish farmers shift their practices in ways that will make

867
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: fish farms more efficient and less harmful. So far, I'm

868
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: totally on board. They're currently partnering with fish farms in India,

869
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: and they're looking to expand at China and the Philippines

870
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: to make these farms more productive, more profitable, and less

871
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: detrimental to ecosystems and wild fish. Again, totally with that, right.

872
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: But while they lead their conversations talking about increased profits,

873
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: fish quality, and sustainability, the core of their mission is

874
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: all about improving living conditions for farm fish. As I

875
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: read through their materials, I find myself simultaneously like nodding

876
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: along and being like yeah, totally with you, and then

877
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: stepping back and wonder like, wait, am I am I

878
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: just opening up my mental gates to to a trojan horse.

879
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to fish welfare. Like I said at

880
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: the top of the show, I'm that guy that puts

881
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: other people's fish out of their misery when they're flopping

882
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: on the ice or in the deck of a boat.

883
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: One of the many reasons I hunt is to avoid

884
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: supporting factory farms too much. I got no issue with

885
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: eating animals, but I don't like eating animals that never

886
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: really lived. Of I think industrial chicken farming is nasty

887
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: and industrial fish farming isn't much different. It's very very similar.

888
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: That's that's accurate. So I'm totally in favor of changing

889
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: the way that those practices are done. So why does

890
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: this group make me nervous? Like? Why do I find

891
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: myself struggling to trust this initiative and fully get on board?

892
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: Because even though they don't mention fishing anywhere on their

893
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: website or the articles and reports I read, I can't

894
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: help but think that an organization called the Fish Welfare

895
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: Initiative isn't so hot on fishing for fun and sport.

896
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: Their stated mission is quote to improve the welfare of

897
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: fish as much as possible. They also stayed on their

898
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: website that quote fish are sentient beings capable of feeling

899
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: pain as much as terrestrially farmed animals. On that point,

900
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: I just absolutely disagree or whatever I choose to disagree,

901
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: because I've read the research. I even interviewed one of

902
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: the leading experts on fish pain experience, and I'm just

903
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: not convinced that fish pain is the same as sentient

904
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: being pain. I'm not convinced, or I choose not to

905
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: be convinced, whatever, however you want to look at it.

906
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: That said, I still think fish farming is is problematic.

907
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: And I don't like the idea of fish living their

908
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: entire lives and overcrowded confinements stewing in each other's waist. Also,

909
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: I understand that aquaculture is going to be more and

910
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: more important for feeding and growing global population, especially if

911
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: we want to take some of the pressure off wild

912
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: fish stocks, and and I would like to see that

913
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: farming done in ways that are more efficient, more more profitable,

914
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: produce higher quality meat, create less waste, don't scroup ecosystems.

915
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, sure, if that's less terrible for the fish,

916
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: I'm on board with that too. Like I, they can't

917
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: check all the boxes. But I wonder, like, can we

918
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: ever really be friends? Like now can an organization like

919
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: the Fish Welfare Initiative ever see anglers as partners? Almost

920
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: all of our stated goals are the same. I want

921
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: them to succeed but not if it means that we

922
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: have to agree that fish are sentient beings and that

923
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: fishing is there for barbaric and cruel. It's this weird

924
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: thing where like I'm with them all the way up

925
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: to a point, and yet I think when push comes

926
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: to show, we're going to fight. You can't call fish

927
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: sentient beings and then be okay with recreational angling. So

928
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: let's just assume that we would not be friends. I

929
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: don't I don't see that. It's you know, it's a

930
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: tough thing man, And I might sound like a little

931
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: jerky here, but you know, if you look at it

932
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: from all sides, it's like you and I aren't really

933
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: huge on fish farming in the sense of like we

934
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: don't really buy farm fish. I don't eat farmery salmon

935
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But can you have it both ways? Like,

936
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: fish farms are existing because there's a demand for more fish,

937
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: and I mean that is hypothetically taking strain off wild

938
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: fisheries in certain places. But now this group is like,

939
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, but those fish aren't happy, right, I mean,

940
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: that's ba sally what they're saying. It's like the fish like,

941
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: so if you go down their bullet point list, Like

942
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: that's the bottom of the list. It's all like profit, sustainability, efficiency,

943
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: workers rights, like they hit all these other things. I'm like, yeah,

944
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, I agree, And you get to

945
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: the bottom, like and the fish are said, and I'm like, well, yeah,

946
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: I care about that too, but not as much as

947
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: those other things. Yeah. Man, I'm sort of got a

948
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: loss for what to say on that one. I mean,

949
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: I'm all about you know, efficiency, right, I don't. I

950
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 1: don't like waste in in any farming. You don't. You don't.

951
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: You don't really want to know or talk about, like

952
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: how much chicken or fish or whatever it might be

953
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: is wasted. Is it awful to say, like I don't

954
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: feel sad for farm. I don't feel sad for fish.

955
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: I am very respectful of fish that I catch. I

956
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: don't want to harm fish, right unless I'm taking them

957
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: to eat them. If I am, I'm going to dispatch

958
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: them humanely. But like, I can't, I can't look at

959
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: them like the sad turkeys in the Purdue video. I

960
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: just can't. It's a fish, and and and and with

961
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: with the pain thing look for better or worse. That's

962
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: a huge debate I am. I am pretty much on

963
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: your side. But like you can't hear a fish, you know,

964
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: like a dog, you know, you step on the dog's tail,

965
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: dog lets, you know, like you can't, so they don't vocalize,

966
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: So you know what's it's like, there's just there's just

967
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: no winning with these people. Sometime we want to save

968
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: wild salmon. That's good. So we have salmon farms. Okay,

969
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: they have their issues, but they are serving a purpose

970
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: and a demand. But those fish are sad, Like holy ship,

971
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm going nowhere here. I'm just like stream

972
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: of consciousness spouting off set you up to have a

973
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: lot to say that. I just I found that to

974
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: be first, it fit the theme of the show, and

975
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: to like, this is a new initiative that's coming in.

976
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: I think it's something that we as anglers are going

977
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: to contend with, and it found I was interested because

978
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: I agreed with so many of their points until that

979
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: last one. I'm like, I don't think we're actually friends.

980
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: I just get it and and and we're not and

981
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: we're not going to be friends. And at some point

982
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: these people will will come up again, I'm sure if

983
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: they're upset about the well being of fish. I don't

984
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: know who worries about the well being of bugs because

985
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 1: they're going to take issue with my last story. Who

986
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: are the bug people? All right, I'm just letting you

987
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: know right now. Okay, I don't need to hear it.

988
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: I don't need your bug comic book. Uh, you know,

989
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: anti butterfly nets or whatever. And this is not really

990
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: news anyway, but I flagged it because when I read it,

991
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: I was struck with the notion that you can, in

992
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: fact teach old dogs new tricks. And it also fits,

993
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: like I said, with my stocker trout theme. Plus I

994
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: learned something I never knew. And I'm curious after after

995
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: everybody hears this to see if anyone writes it and goes, yeah, dude,

996
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: this is legit. And I've been doing this for years. Okay, Um, anyway,

997
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: there's always just a bunch of sort of spring related

998
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: nature stuff in the news this time of year, right,

999
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, like the focuses are blooming in Central Park,

1000
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: or get out and look at the grass Chicago, you know,

1001
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: like all that junk. Right, So well, so this is

1002
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: this is similar vein this little story comes from the

1003
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: citizen's voice, which appears to cover northeast Pennsylvania, and it's

1004
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: all about golden rod, and more specifically the golden rod

1005
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: goal fly. Okay, so golden rod extremely common, grows coast

1006
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: to coast, and wherever it grows, um it gets these

1007
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: these goal flies. And the main photo of the article

1008
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: is a stalk of golden rod with an almost perfectly round,

1009
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: like ping pong ball size not right in the middle

1010
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: of the stalk. And when you see this photo, many

1011
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: of you, like me, you'll probably be like, oh, yeah, Like,

1012
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: I recognize that I've seen those knots a million times

1013
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: walking around out in the woods and along the streams,

1014
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: and of course I never gave them much thought. And

1015
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: but the knot or goal which is what it's really

1016
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: called and how the fly gets its name. It's the

1017
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: same color as the stalk, and it looks like just

1018
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: a seed pot or something you just assume it was

1019
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: part of the plant. But inside each one of these galls,

1020
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: these knots, is a single plump, fat, juicy little grub. Right,

1021
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: so these golflies hatch in the spring, but right now,

1022
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: at least in the northeast, they should still be in

1023
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: grub form. And because the golden rod isn't in bloom

1024
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: and all the undergrowth hasn't come in. These knots uh

1025
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: or galls are much easier to spot right now. And

1026
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: according to the author Craig, where you're going with this?

1027
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: I really hope you're going where I think you are.

1028
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I now I'm nervous that I'm not

1029
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: going there and you'll be disappointed. According any according to

1030
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: the author Craig Morgan, those golfly grubs are like exceptional

1031
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: trout bait and handfish bait like premium, premium, high quality

1032
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: ship here man, and this bait supply is free and easy,

1033
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: easier to collect even than than digging worms are looking

1034
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: for grubs like an old wooden stuff. And he says,

1035
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, you go clip off a couple dozen of

1036
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: these galls, just put the whole gall in the largest

1037
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: pocket of your fishing vest, and then you just use

1038
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: your pocket knife to slice them open is needed, and

1039
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: like inside each one is just like a perfect delicious,

1040
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: juicy trout bait. Yeah, I am going to go do this, okay,

1041
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: right before I head to the gold rush, all right,

1042
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: but he says, he does know, be careful because these

1043
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: goals can be kind of hard so I cut them

1044
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: open carefully, you don't like, you know, let your knife

1045
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: slip um. And not only did I find this pertinent,

1046
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: like I said, with trout season about to open, but

1047
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: for me it was like who knew? I have seen it?

1048
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: There's so much golden rod around here, especially along a

1049
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: lot of the streams I fish in North Jersey and

1050
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: p A And like, you just look at this and

1051
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 1: it just looks like a like a nasty weed pod

1052
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: seed thing, and you're like, holy sh it. So all

1053
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: these years of trudging along these streams, like there was

1054
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: an endless supply of of awesome trout bait there I

1055
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: never knew existed. Um. And then you know the competitive

1056
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: world of opening days. Uh, you know you want the

1057
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: leg up and you'll be the only one in the

1058
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: hole on opening morning with something better than your special

1059
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: blended power bait. So I am very curious. This is

1060
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: one of those things that somebody listening has to have

1061
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: been doing this, and it's either like ship, I can't

1062
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: wait to try it. I can't wait to try it.

1063
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: So it's just this little nature thing. It certainly wasn't

1064
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: focused on fishing by any means, but like, look at

1065
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: this little nugget which I have now shared. That's great,

1066
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: you have you have gold. I'm going to be yeah.

1067
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean we're later our seasons later in here, so

1068
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: it's not up yet. Be on the lookout for that

1069
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: for sure. Um. The only segue transition I can think

1070
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: of is that I'm going to talk about something that

1071
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: I really hope nobody wants to use for bait. I

1072
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: really hope. So my next story comes from National Geographic

1073
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: and uh, like you' alluded to earlier, after the response

1074
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: we got from the severed fingers lure segment, I just

1075
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: had to run with this. It is. It is kind

1076
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: of stretched for fish news, but I think I think

1077
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: I found a way to justified at the end. We'll

1078
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: see if you agree. In the Pacific Northwest, between Vancouver

1079
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: Island and the mainland is this body of are called

1080
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: the Sailors Sea, and down at the southern end of

1081
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: it is where you find Puget Sound. Since two thousand seven,

1082
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: at least twenty human feet have been found washed up

1083
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: on beaches and rocks in this small area. Oh, I

1084
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: love it. I love this. They're never found in pairs,

1085
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: always individually, though sometimes a matching foot will wash up

1086
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: later on a different beach, and the feet are always

1087
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: found en cased in shoes, generally sneakers. In two eight,

1088
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: five different disembodied feet were discovered local media. We're all

1089
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: over the mysterious feet beat, as you might imagine, and uh,

1090
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: people started freaking out right, like rumors of a serial

1091
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: killer started circulating in Wisconsin. He doesn't need to feet.

1092
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: The police tip lines were just lightening up with all

1093
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: these assertions like about to range murderers and sunken shipping

1094
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: containers full of migrants. Uh, some warnings of an impending

1095
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: alien invasion. And of course, of course the well meaning

1096
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: psychics that we're constantly calling it up in their services

1097
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: right and as always happens. Ultimately, though, it wasn't law

1098
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: enforcement who eventually did figure this mystery out, but forensic

1099
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: pathologists and oceanographic researchers see when bodies end up in

1100
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: the water, they usually sink. They might float at first,

1101
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: but they usually sink, and in cold water like off

1102
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: the course of the Pacific Northwest, they don't decay or bloat,

1103
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: They just kind of sit down there and and certain circumstances,

1104
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: bodies can last for centuries if undisturbed in cold, low

1105
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: oxygen water, but that doesn't happen in the sailors sea. Instead,

1106
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: any organic tissue, dead humans included is quickly set upon

1107
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: by a mob of scavengers like shrimp, lobsters and crabs.

1108
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: And this is where I just I've got to quote

1109
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: the article like this is the best line from National Geographic.

1110
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: I have to quote it directly, so here it is.

1111
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: It was as if a red lobster buffet had risen

1112
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: up to exact its revenge. And props to Erica Angele

1113
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: helped for some solid words smithing there, because that was

1114
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: that was very well done. Anyway, the sea creatures feast

1115
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: on the remains and they start with the soft bits.

1116
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: Ankles happened to be very soft connective tissues, so feet

1117
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: will quickly become disarticulated from the rest of the body.

1118
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: And modern sneakers such as the ones we've been using

1119
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: for about the past twenty years, are very buoyant, right,

1120
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: and in all but one of the washed up feet

1121
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: that was the case. They were in modern buoyant sneakers.

1122
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: So it makes sense that bodies lost at sea would

1123
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: lose their feet if they were wearing sneakers, and that

1124
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: those feet would drift away, but that doesn't explain why

1125
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: they keep showing up in this one localized area. That

1126
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: mystery was solved by a researcher who created a computer

1127
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: simulation and the point of it are initially was to

1128
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: predict what would happen in the event of an oil

1129
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: spill near Seattle, and his model shows that just about

1130
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: anything set adrift in that area will flow straight into

1131
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: the sailor seat. Ye. And you add into that the

1132
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: fact that the Pacific Northwest has lots of people wearing

1133
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: sneakers and hiking around the rocks, and you get this

1134
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: logical answer for why the area attracts all these disembodied

1135
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: sneaker clad feet. Creepy. None of these feet, none of

1136
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 1: the feet found has ever been connected to foul play.

1137
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: It's all natural causes. But they keep going to that

1138
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: same place. But they find the real people. They've like,

1139
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: they have connected, like they they figure out whose feet

1140
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: they are. Not all they haven't they have identified all

1141
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: of them, but they've identified a lot of them. The

1142
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: majority of them have been identified. It took a long time.

1143
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: Some of them are decades old, but yeah, they found him.

1144
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: And it's possible that some people out there, maybe even you, Joe,

1145
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: are currently wondering why this this counts is fish news,

1146
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: and I have answers. First, several of the feet belonged

1147
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: to anglers who were thought to have slipped off the

1148
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: rocks and drowned. So this is a cautionary tale, right,

1149
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: if you're shortcasting, be careful, bad things can happen. I'm

1150
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: not saying don't go do it, just be smart. Second,

1151
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: a lot of the feet were found by fishermen, which

1152
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: again not surprising. Right, who's down on the rocks getting

1153
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: to the places where things wash up that aren't always seen,

1154
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: gonna gonna be gonna be anglers. But the final reason,

1155
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: and my personal favorite one is is like, I'm talking

1156
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: to all the shell fish lovers out there, myself included,

1157
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: and I just want us to recognize that, given the chance,

1158
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: those shrimp, crabs and lobsters would gladly eat you and

1159
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: your whole family all right, And whether that makes you

1160
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: feel better or worse about dumping them live into a

1161
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: pot of steaming waters totally up to you, but know

1162
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: that they would have no qualms about it. I love this.

1163
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't care why it's connected to fishing. I was

1164
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: like I don't care how he connects this. I just

1165
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: absolutely love this and it brings up a few things.

1166
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: For one, Okay, as a Northeast surf fishing guy, anybody

1167
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: fishing rocks anywhere, even if it's in like August and

1168
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: like it's super warm, dude, I was always blown away

1169
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: when I first started wearing jetty cleats on rocks, Like

1170
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: how effective that is. So even if you get like

1171
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: the stupid little strappy crampons, like tiny little studs, makes

1172
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: the world of difference, you will not slip off the rocks.

1173
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: But Okay, what this brought to mind because I knew

1174
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: right away, I was like, there's something about the current

1175
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: that's putting the feet there. Later, and I fish a

1176
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: lot on the Niagara River out of Lewis to New York,

1177
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: and that's about I want to say, seven miles six

1178
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: miles from Niagara Falls. Niagara Falls is upstream of there,

1179
01:02:55,640 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: and almost every jumper that jumps off of Niagarahy also

1180
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: commit suicide. They pop up at the boat ramp in Lewistown,

1181
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: and it's just because of the way that they sink

1182
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: and the currents work that like of the time, if

1183
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: somebody jumps and they're they're going to be recovered. It's

1184
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: because they pop up there in Lewiston. And that's what

1185
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: this made me think of. And every time I'm up there,

1186
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, please, don't let that happen. I really don't

1187
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: like I really I don't want to see that. But

1188
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: I find that, I find that fact. I love that

1189
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: little stuff. It was a good I very much enjoyed

1190
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: researching that one. We'll see what Fill has to say subsequently.

1191
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: That just put me in the mood for cheddar Bay biscuits.

1192
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,439
Speaker 1: That story, and uh, if we hear from Phil, maybe

1193
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: they have that or a version of it at the

1194
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: bar we're gonna go drinking at. I am nothing if

1195
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: not basic, and therefore a little light body horror gets

1196
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: me going. So Miles, you're the winner this week. Joe.

1197
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: You beat me to the punch with that cheddar Bay biscuit.

1198
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: Its reference. So I had to make some tweaks to

1199
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: this next joke, and I hope it works out just

1200
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: as well. Okay, here we go. You don't have to

1201
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: tell me that a shrimp would gladly eat my eyeballs

1202
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: out of their sockets to get me to go hard

1203
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: on some scampy and Mountain Dew Margarita's at my local

1204
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: Red Lobster. Okay, not great, but I'll workshop it best.

1205
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: God damn bartender from tim buck To to Portland's Maine,

1206
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: the port and Argam for that matter. This week we're

1207
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: bringing the pub praise back to Montana. You might remember

1208
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: that our first ever that's my Bar segments shouted out

1209
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: the Sip and Dip in great falls and also paid

1210
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: homage to the joints legendary master of ceremonies Piano Pat

1211
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: was that our first man That feels like forever ago.

1212
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: It was a while ago, and I don't I don't

1213
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: remember if it was the first, but it was. It

1214
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: was among the first, I know that for sure. And

1215
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: we haven't had another Montana bar since then. We have not.

1216
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: We have not, And this is why I'm so excited

1217
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: be because, you know, to be totally honest, the Sipp

1218
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: and Dip is like kind of an expected play. It's

1219
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: probably in Montana's most famous bar, like he's been written

1220
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: up across the country blah blah blah blah blah. But

1221
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: that's not the case for this week's watering hole. This week,

1222
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: we've got Toby's Tavern which might be the state's best

1223
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: kept secret. Yeah, it's it's a good email. Have you

1224
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: have you been at this place? Well, that's what I'm saying, Like,

1225
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: that's why I say it that way, because I haven't.

1226
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: I have to admit that I've I've never been there,

1227
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: and not only that, like I've never even heard of it.

1228
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: I had no idea existed until listener Ryan Knapp sent

1229
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: a very very persuasive email, and it convinced me, Like

1230
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a hundred percent convinced that I need to

1231
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: get my ass over to northeast Montana for a drinking

1232
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,439
Speaker 1: trip with a little fishing thrown in very very soon.

1233
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: Now here's the point. Even though Ryan never said so

1234
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: in his email, I'm pretty damn sure that the dudes

1235
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: from Missoula because he made sure to work in a

1236
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: dig on Bozeman when he was right in there. And

1237
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: and the thing is, God love the Missoulan's. They do

1238
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: two things really really well. They're they're so good at

1239
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: soaking their dreads and patuli oil and throwing shade opposeman.

1240
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: But I personally, I don't. I don't debase myself. I

1241
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: don't get into that whole petty rivalry thing. It's it's nothing. No, clearly,

1242
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: clearly you are well above such pettiness. Um. Yeah, enjoy that.

1243
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: Missoulan's back to this bar. Though it's Ryan's moment, not yours.

1244
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: Um here's here's what he writes. He says, located in

1245
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: Knox in Montana, up near the Idaho Panhandle on the

1246
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: Clark Fork River, you'll find Toby's tavern. Toby is no

1247
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: longer with us, however, his daughter Gail keeps this eclectic

1248
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: establishment going with an infectious passion for this cultural landmark.

1249
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: To hear her tell it, she was married in the

1250
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: bar and has been there ever since, working six days

1251
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: a week, and she can easily fill an afternoon with

1252
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: very interesting stories. And Ryan says, ask me how I

1253
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: know that? But I want to because I do too. Yeah.

1254
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: The thing I this is a great email, But I

1255
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: really wish that Ryan had provided at least one example

1256
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: from Gale's repertoire of storytelling, because you know they're good, right,

1257
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 1: and you know, good on him. It's probably the better

1258
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: call because now I know I have to actually go

1259
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: there to get a taste. But the other thing I

1260
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta say Ryan did well here is that

1261
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: is it was a smart move leading with Gail, right

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Speaker 1: because having the right character pouring drinks and wiping glasses

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Speaker 1: is really what ultimately makes or breaks a great ball.

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Speaker 1: Right like that, that is the the core, that's a

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Speaker 1: nucleus of great bar. Is a great bartender. And it

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01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: sounds like Toby's has got it going. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: Gayale is exactly what you want in a bartender. But

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Speaker 1: the space itself also sounds like the kind of spot

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Speaker 1: where I want to listen to Gail tell stories. Here's

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Speaker 1: how here's how Ryan describes the ambiance. On stepping through

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Speaker 1: the door into this dark space, one is overwhelmed by

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01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: the accumulation of photos, memorabilia, shoulder mounts, and big fish

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01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: adorning any surface to which they can be affixed up

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01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: to and including the ceiling. Bumper stickers on the coolers

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01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: and glass are an entertaining time capsule into the contentious

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01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: issues of the eras when they were put up. It's

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01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: obvious this bar doesn't take itself too seriously, as evident

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Speaker 1: by the copulating mountain lion taxidermy set up on the jukebox.

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01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: And that right there didn't even have to read the email,

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01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: just clicked the photo for that was the moment I

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01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: knew for for sure we were gonna shout out this

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01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: bar because there's there's there's mountain lions having sex over

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 1: the jukebox. Somebody did that. Somebody took two real mountain

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Speaker 1: lions and skin them and then made that. Best of all, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: he sent it, Like I said, he sent us a

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Speaker 1: photo right, So head over to my Instagram account if

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01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: you if you want to see this skin mount rendering

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01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: of of lion love on top of this jukebox loaded

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Speaker 1: with country classics. I'm sure you might be wondering, however,

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Speaker 1: if this really counts as a fit shing bar. Well.

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01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: Ryan covered that base too, he explained, while indulging in

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01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: successive rounds of Just One More with my wife, we

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01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: met folks passing by on a road trip, couples on

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01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: Harley's enjoying the scenic Montana roads, Locals just stopping in

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01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: and say hello. And a gentleman who was in town

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01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: working on his hunting cabin that gave me a hot

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01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: tip on a mountain lake full of cutties in the

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01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: near by cabinets. Boom, beautiful fishing bar. Perfection. Nailed it, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: well done, on this submission. If you take me to

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01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: your secret cutty Lake, I will buy all the drinks

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01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: and Toby's afterwards, I promise. And if any of you

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01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: out there have a bar that deserves a shout out

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01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: on this show, take a cue from Ryan, give yourself

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01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: a few minutes and write a compelling call out, then

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01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: send it to Bent at the Meat Eater dot com.

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01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: Definitely put Toby's on your summer travel list. I think

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01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: we'll all be traveling done traveling to Toby's, going straight

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01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: straight over to Toby's. That place sounds a legit, just

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01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: a damn fine drinking and bullshitting establishment, no gimmicks necessary,

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01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: which which actually makes it the polar opposite of the

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01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: lure that Joe is going to tell you about in

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01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: this week's end of the line. Well that's not loud enough.

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01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: Burt Roland Martin, Jimmy Houston, Bill Dance, Hank Parker. When

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01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: most Americans think about bass fishing pioneers, those are the

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01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: names that stand out. I mean, we've watched them on

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01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: TV since we were little, grown up with them and

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01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: caught more hog bass because of them. But those four

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01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: fellas wouldn't complete the mount Rushmore of bass legends. Should

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01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: something so breathtaking ever be chiseled because someone is missing,

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01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: and that someone is Chuck Woolery. A lot of you

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01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: grew up watching Chuck Woolery too, albeit as the host

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01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: of The Love Connection. Now Here to tell us more

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01:10:54,439 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: about love Connection is our host, Chuck Wooler Ray And

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01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: for any of our young listeners that don't know what

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01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: the Love Connection is, it was Tinder in front of

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01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: a live studio audience which got to decide who you

1327
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: hooked up with. And this is Charles. He likes women

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01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: with smooth skin, long legs, and eyes. But as it

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01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,759
Speaker 1: turns out, while Chuck spent eleven years connecting awkward people

1330
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: on a hockey game show that paved the way for

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01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: ship like The Bachelor and mtvs. Catfish, off camera, Chuck

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01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: was connecting with bass. I learned this from Bent listener

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01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: Eric Hopkins, who made me hip to what could be

1334
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: the greatest bass lure you've never heard of, the Chuck

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01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: Woolery series Moto Lure. Eric sent a photo of the

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01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: moto lure, which he says a friend purchased some years

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01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: ago at a good will store. So taken aback was

1338
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: I that a lure bearing the signature of the guy

1339
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: who played the band manager in made for TV movie

1340
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: Hey Hey, It's the Monkeys had slipped past my radar.

1341
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: I had to know more. Little did I know, though,

1342
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: I was throwing myself into one of fishing's greatest mysteries. Usually,

1343
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: the end of the line focuses on a lure's history,

1344
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: and every lure, even the TV famous ones like the

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01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: Banjo Meadow and the Flying Lure, has a story that

1346
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,799
Speaker 1: starts with one man's garage innovation. They have roots tied

1347
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: to real anglers, but not the Moto lure. It seems

1348
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: to have just appeared out of the ether, like the

1349
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: monolith in two thousand one of Space Odyssey. While there

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01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: are several styles of moto lore, the one that pops

1351
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: up most often looks like a standard popper, but the

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01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: line tie I on all these lores is connected to

1353
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: a string that extends when you twitch it in the water,

1354
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 1: thus winding up an internal mechanism that makes the tails

1355
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: kick and vibrate for a few seconds while the baitas

1356
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: at rest. It's simply modeled after a pull string car

1357
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: or dinosaur of Pokemon you might buy for your kids.

1358
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: The Lorea's slogan continuous live action. In essence, you could

1359
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 1: say this was the precursor to today's robotic lures that

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01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: are charged via USB. But Chuck Woolery and Moto Lore

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01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: in it together. How why? My investigation led to a

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01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: DVD released in two thousand four titled bass Fishing the

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01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: Basics with Chuck Woolery. It's still available on Amazon for

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01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: fifteen bucks and it has exactly five reviews, one of

1365
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: which reads, if you have never fished in your life,

1366
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: then you might get something out of this. But I

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01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: was very disappointed. In a world where everything is online,

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01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: clips from this DVD are suspiciously absent. In fact, all

1369
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: I could find was the dvd shitty musical intro. But

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01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: at least I had a timeline assuming the Moto Law

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01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: endorsement came in the early two thousands to coincide with

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01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,839
Speaker 1: the DVD. But as mysteriously as the Moto Law appeared,

1373
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: it seems higher powers try to erase it within just

1374
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,759
Speaker 1: a few years, and you'll still find it on Amazon

1375
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: and a few other odd tackle sites, but it's it's

1376
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,759
Speaker 1: out of stock or unavailable. The link to Chuck Woolery

1377
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: Bass Fishing Dead All that remains is a video posted

1378
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:49,560
Speaker 1: by YouTube user Western Cowboys called Chuck Woolery Moto Law Instructional.

1379
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: It's six and a half minutes long, filmed in a

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01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: single unbroken take, as Chuck, dressed in a new fishing

1381
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: vest and crisp camo hat clearly pulled right from wardrobe,

1382
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: rattles on about the Moto Law in a tone that says,

1383
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: I could give a shit about this, Just pay me.

1384
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: I thought it was a real gimmicky kind of thing,

1385
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: didn't really understand it, didn't figure out what it would do,

1386
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: and I was kind of forced into using it. There's

1387
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: the sound click after click after click after click, and

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01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,839
Speaker 1: they will do that for about seven to eight seconds.

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01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: If you want to see the Moto Chuck in action,

1390
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: you can find out on YouTube too. It's just that

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01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: you won't see it in action. Around the time it

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01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: was released. In the handful of review videos I watched,

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01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: the anglers make it known that this is something that's

1394
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: been sitting in their garage for years, or that they

1395
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: have no recollection of how they even acquired it. Notably, however,

1396
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: Mike Side, better known as one Rod one Reel Fishing

1397
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: on YouTube, use his to catch a few giant Maryland

1398
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 1: bass in a small pond, and over one million adoring

1399
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: fans watched him do it. To me, leaning on Chuck

1400
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: Woolory to sell your bass lures seems so absurd that

1401
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: I can't help. But wonder if it's not absurd at all.

1402
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: Maybe the modo lure was too powerful. Maybe Chuck Woolery

1403
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,919
Speaker 1: was silenced by the likes of Yama Moto and striking

1404
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: to ensure his next level bass knowledge couldn't reach the masses.

1405
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: And here's what Chuck has to say about that. Frankly,

1406
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: they're missing the point. Take it from my philosophical guru

1407
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: and life coach, Iced Tea. You know the right to

1408
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: bear arms, it's because that's the last form of defense

1409
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: against tyranny. Tyranny in the upper echelon of American bass

1410
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: icons that's clearly at play here and stopping Chuck from

1411
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: taking his rightful seat at the right hand of Denny Brower.

1412
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: And with that forgotten nugget, we wrap up our pop

1413
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: culture reference and fishing info scavenger hunt. Here's hoping you

1414
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: got ahold of all the hidden goodies, including one book

1415
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: you should absolutely buy for all your snakehead obsessed friends.

1416
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 1: Another book you should absolutely not buy for your kids

1417
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: unless you want to deeply confuse them about food chains,

1418
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 1: the perfect lure to put on your Tinder profile, and

1419
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: how to spend half a week's wages completely debasing yourself

1420
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: and ruining someone else's honeymoon. And if you buy the

1421
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: Steakhead book for your friend, actually of it to them anyway,

1422
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: we are we are all about public service here, and

1423
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,440
Speaker 1: if you're appreciating all that we give, or maybe frustrated

1424
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: about what we don't, send an email to Bent at

1425
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: the meat Eator dot com. Also remember we're always looking

1426
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 1: out for your bar nominations, sale bin items, and awkward

1427
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: fishing photos, among other things. Those those emails are the

1428
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: highlights of my week. No, totally thank you to all

1429
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 1: of you who send us stuff, even if it doesn't

1430
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: make the podcast, We appreciate it. We also appreciate seeing

1431
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: all the stuff you put up on the Graham with

1432
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: the Degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags. Yeah, and I

1433
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 1: honestly can't wait to see what you guys put up

1434
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: about the tawny scrawny Lion next week