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Speaker 1: Well, ladies and gentlemen, we are now just twenty four

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Speaker 1: it's time for real talk like mindu, it's the Morning

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Speaker 1: Combat UFC two eighty seven pregame preview. That's Brian Campbell

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Speaker 1: and you know the Hall of Famer at the end there,

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Speaker 1: that's Sugar Rashad Evans. How you doing, Rashan.

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Speaker 2: It's good to be back with you, guys. Man, it's

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Speaker 2: been a long time. I was starting to feel like

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Speaker 3: I mean, what's going on here? It's great to have

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Speaker 4: Some of the thinking this is a little you know

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Speaker 4: a stone? Oh yeah?

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Speaker 1: Are you like who is a Jared kennoneer like big

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Speaker 4: I'm big into crystals and stones, and I got you know.

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Speaker 3: He's been a big fan of getting stone for a

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Speaker 2: I think it kind of comes with the whole you

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Speaker 5: I dig the power crystals. I'm down with Jared Cannon

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Speaker 5: here too. But thank you for stepping into this very

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Speaker 5: real talk that we do here to set the stage

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Speaker 5: for this pay per view. It doesn't it look like

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Speaker 3: It's really dark and ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I need some dirty poker chips to shout out.

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Speaker 5: To CBS Sports for having us here in Fort Lauderdale,

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Speaker 5: but shout this is your territory as Florida man these days.

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Speaker 3: How is life as before we get into this card.

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Speaker 4: Life is great, man, life is great.

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Speaker 2: I got a little more property, you know, spread out,

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Speaker 4: Now I'm in the farm, farming now, I'm farming now, farmer. Now. Listen.

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Speaker 2: I wear nothing but linen all the time, like I'm

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Speaker 2: like a straight hippie out there.

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Speaker 4: Man. That's it, man, I got my hippie space, I said,

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Speaker 4: I'm just trying to find my place in the sun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. You know what's interesting we were talking

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this. We got a UFC twoenty

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Speaker 1: It's quite well, I'm saying an MMA, it's a rematch.

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Speaker 1: view what must be going through Izzy's mind right now?

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Speaker 1: I love talking to a shot for many reasons, one

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Speaker 2: Well, like you said, he's got to be mentally just

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Speaker 2: He's getting himself in that tunnel vision, trying to watch

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Speaker 2: Machetah, the hardest fight for me was the very next fight,

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Speaker 2: He doesn't want to get hit again, and he's thinking

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Speaker 5: It's interesting because it is similar to the storyline here

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Speaker 5: But people think you're the champion, you're one of the

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Speaker 5: But when you rewatch this first MMA meeting between them

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Speaker 3: Potato was the whole night.

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Speaker 5: It's not like you know, is he just slowed down

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Speaker 5: Sonya's mind? Yes, he can say I was beaten padata

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one, And it's one of those things that you

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Speaker 2: have to think that Izzy's got to be thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 2: if I can't get past this guy, what does the

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is he was winning the second

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Speaker 1: seems to be more well rounded? The Lord have mercy

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Speaker 1: the We were talking about this earlier. The margin of

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Speaker 2: When I watched the two of them, is he definitely

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Speaker 2: has more skills. He definitely has more understanding of what

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Speaker 2: big problem. And as you put out, you know Paeda

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Speaker 5: now he's got eight pro fights. He's the champion against

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Speaker 3: He's built for that long haul.

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Speaker 5: That's a tough guy to be if you can't expose

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Speaker 3: You watched to eighty one probably with a fine tooth comb.

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Speaker 5: There were moments where out of sun you actually wrestled

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Speaker 1: you know this really well. The first thing you learn

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Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't it wasn't, you know, anywhere near

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Speaker 2: So there's a whole nother element of just being able

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Speaker 2: to be effective because I know that Peta prepared to

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Speaker 5: November actually hurt him in the long run because tired

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Speaker 3: Slowed him down the bait.

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Speaker 1: I think it really did you get a shot? And

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Speaker 1: if you're ever gonna' that's on them Nomini, there's looking

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Speaker 1: to be hard enough that they are confused or disciplined

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Speaker 1: if I close this distance, I'm not gonna get popped again.

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Speaker 1: If you don't introduce that it becomes a big problem.

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Speaker 1: And the thing what that really got Izzy in the

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Speaker 1: if you look at Izzy's offensive just in terms of numbers,

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Speaker 1: then getting away, resetting, repositioning. It does so many things

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Speaker 1: So it brought Isy closer into punching range, but that

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Speaker 1: he got rid of it, Paeda, There's tons of highlights.

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Speaker 1: He's just walking through the leg kicks, checking them as

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Speaker 1: is there a pacing, when has Izzy ever won a

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Speaker 1: another guy like that? And there's another part to this

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Speaker 1: Patana keeps talking about his own evolution in terms of

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Speaker 1: There's a little part of me that wonders the time

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Speaker 1: now this time it will be too late. I wonder

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Speaker 1: what you make of all of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. I feel like that was last

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Speaker 2: has to be a little bit different. Maybe not takedowns,

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Speaker 2: maybe wallingbral right be better against a wall. Get him

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Speaker 4: But Glover's a guy who can train with him. He

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Speaker 2: Can really make him feel what it's like to get

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Speaker 2: up for somebody who's good on bottom. So his growth

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Speaker 2: like I said, he's going to be fighting a different

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Speaker 1: Well, so one more thing on this if I may.

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Speaker 1: You know, I remember when you beat the Hillbilly heart

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Speaker 1: Throb to win the Ultimate Fighter, and it was at heavyweight. Heavyweight. Dude,

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Speaker 5: Five or a medal when he's and then he's working,

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Speaker 5: Glover to Shia right and like you said, getting to

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Speaker 5: They're they're going after it, They're getting after it. I mean,

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Speaker 5: took away rewatching this fight at length is even though

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Speaker 5: Patata is putting on constant pressure and it becomes a

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Speaker 3: He's always being backed up to the cage. But it's

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Speaker 5: For all the inexperienced Padata has, he never puts himself

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Speaker 3: So that's basically where Atosignya does better.

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Speaker 5: When a less limited slug or a Coasta is coming

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Speaker 3: Is there a vision for you where is.

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Speaker 5: He comes out jabbing, comes out, takedown, threatening, coming out forward,

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Speaker 1: I'll say this much. I actually feel like if you're izzy,

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Speaker 1: to be It has to be much not like crazy

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to give. But obviously, if

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Speaker 2: You know, I feel like with Izzy, it's all about

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Speaker 2: and the pressure that he puts on you is imminent danger.

434
00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,120
Speaker 2: You feel the imminent danger, so that makes you go

435
00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,680
Speaker 2: out of sequence. And when you go out of sequence

436
00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,840
Speaker 2: too many times, that's when you're more susceptible to the

437
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,320
Speaker 2: counter because you're not on your timing. So is he

438
00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,040
Speaker 2: has to get his timing back, whatever that means as

439
00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,439
Speaker 2: far as like pushing a pace, He's gonna have to

440
00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,240
Speaker 2: taste take some risks because you're not getting that guy

441
00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,680
Speaker 2: out of there, Padetta, if you're not taking some risk,

442
00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,520
Speaker 2: and the risk that he's gonna have to take it

443
00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,720
Speaker 2: is gonna have to be where he lost the fight

444
00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,000
Speaker 2: at which is in the striking department. He's got to

445
00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,760
Speaker 2: earn the respect in the striking department early, sooner than later,

446
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,200
Speaker 2: because that's gonna be the bridge that peda hass across

447
00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:12,880
Speaker 2: if he.

448
00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,040
Speaker 4: Wants to land at left hook.

449
00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,040
Speaker 5: You think of that, that pressure that is so constant

450
00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,200
Speaker 5: it creates mental fatigue the fighters, I want to say

451
00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,560
Speaker 5: where it starts to tire you out because you're so

452
00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,520
Speaker 5: overly focused on it. You don't see that being able

453
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,840
Speaker 5: to be weaponized at this truly elite level in the

454
00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,000
Speaker 5: way he did in that first fight.

455
00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,359
Speaker 4: You know, Tyrone Spung, he's the absolute master at it.

456
00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,840
Speaker 2: He's a counterstriker, but you wouldn't think he's a counterstriker by.

457
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:37,720
Speaker 4: How aggressive he is.

458
00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,040
Speaker 2: But he walks you forward and he has such a

459
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,000
Speaker 2: tight guard and he structurally sound. So when you're like, okay,

460
00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,200
Speaker 2: he's putting pressure, he's gonna go, I'm feeling like he's

461
00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,520
Speaker 2: gonna go, so I need to go first. Then you

462
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,119
Speaker 2: go first, and then he's countering you. And he was

463
00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,280
Speaker 2: waiting for the counter the whole time. And that's when

464
00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,280
Speaker 2: you see Perta do when he fought against Strickland, you know,

465
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,720
Speaker 2: was just getting a beat, getting a beat. Okay, reading

466
00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,800
Speaker 2: reading Boom caught him with the left hook, So is

467
00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,400
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to break past that, and he's gonna

468
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,120
Speaker 2: have to be first, and he's gonna have to be last.

469
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,960
Speaker 1: We've all talked about and we will hear more just

470
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,560
Speaker 1: a second about what it means if Izzy loses. But

471
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:09,800
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about what it means if

472
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,520
Speaker 1: he wins right Rashand I wonder what if you could,

473
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,679
Speaker 1: like I don't know how you would view it. To me,

474
00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,239
Speaker 1: it would be certainly would not erase any of the

475
00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,200
Speaker 1: losses that he has. I don't mean to say that.

476
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean everything that happened counts and it stands. But

477
00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,280
Speaker 1: I do think it would be proof of concept of

478
00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 1: what Izzy has said, which was I was this close

479
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,080
Speaker 1: on the second kickboxing fight. I had your ass up

480
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,760
Speaker 1: until you know the end or middle part of the

481
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,320
Speaker 1: fifth or whatever it was, the timing, And again if

482
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,399
Speaker 1: he turned into when he performance on Saturday, it'd be like,

483
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 1: you see, I I actually was the better one. I

484
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 1: just had to clean up a few things the whole way.

485
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,440
Speaker 1: I wonder how you would perceive things for Izzy, assuming

486
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 1: he actually has a really triumphant moment on Saturday.

487
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 2: You know, if if he has a triumphant moment, I

488
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 2: feel he goes on to be one of.

489
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 3: The greatest of all time, absolutely, you know.

490
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 2: And I say that because you got a guy in

491
00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 2: Izzy who is just absolutely beautiful to watch.

492
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,760
Speaker 4: I love to watch him fight. He's he's pure.

493
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 2: Entertainment, just so technical sound and really show the beauty

494
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,440
Speaker 2: of the sport in such an elegant way. It's beautiful violence, right,

495
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 2: That's what he does so well. And to be able

496
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 2: to get past a guy like Padata would mean that

497
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 2: he did exercise at Boogeyman.

498
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 4: And every great fighter who's going to be remembered is

499
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 4: remembered because of what they overcame.

500
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 2: He needs Padada, he needs him, He needs him, and

501
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,199
Speaker 2: he needs to get over this, you know. And if

502
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 2: he does it, it's gonna be something another story. But

503
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 2: him getting over it is such a.

504
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 5: Huge thing about it, I hope, but hold on, think

505
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 5: about It's not just well GSP did that when Matt

506
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 5: Sarah came back a second time. Well Newness did that

507
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 5: when Juliana Pinna came back a second time.

508
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 3: And that's what real champions do. This guy's done that

509
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 3: three times.

510
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 5: This is the leg This is part of your legacy

511
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 5: that there's this guy that's been following you around the

512
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 5: globe and every time you pop up and have great success,

513
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 5: he's there to be that. They used to call me

514
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 5: an accidental sea blocker inside the night clubs.

515
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? Where I'd come up

516
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 4: to him.

517
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 3: Be liked accent, that lady looking fine, We gotta go home. Okay,

518
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 3: this knight hasn't worked out for me. Sucks.

519
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of any boxing analogy and

520
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't work because we're talking about two different sports,

521
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 1: kickboxing mma where this guy's had success. But one Manuil

522
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: Marquez fought Pacio four times and it wasn't until the

523
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: fourth time and that was the final one where he

524
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: completely closed the show.

525
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 5: And one he also thought he got screwed in each

526
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 5: stop on the way that I understand.

527
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: So what's different? Do you see any parallels potentially between

528
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: the Marquez Pacio quadrilogy and then this.

529
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 5: Situation really because of the two the elements that two

530
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 5: of these three fights have involved is he being in

531
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 5: full control and I really arguing, what's that third fight?

532
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 5: The other kickboxing fight is he said forever the judges

533
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 5: got it wrong. I beat that guy, So I guess

534
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 5: there is okay. That does bring in the element of

535
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 5: a little bit, a little bit of that Marquez side

536
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 5: of it, where where Marquez was just so sick of

537
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 5: it in his eyes getting screwed so that the more popular

538
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 5: fighter could get on them.

539
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 3: That's why this is different in this case is he's.

540
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 5: The more pop the golden boy words Padata, who's been

541
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 5: following him around the globe, actually left his sport as

542
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 5: a two division champion in glory to continue in his.

543
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 3: Mid thirties to follow this guy. By the way, Pat's

544
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 3: gonna be thirty six. I think it may right.

545
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: We have talked about.

546
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 5: So what makes this different is that you know, out

547
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 5: of Sonia is the one who Padata probably watched go

548
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 5: to the UFC, have this meteoric rise in his first

549
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 5: two years, become the champion, become pomper pound, and he's.

550
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 3: Like, I beat that guy twice. I knock that guy out.

551
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: That's my moment, that's my money.

552
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 5: So in that case, I mean, it's Padata who's playing

553
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 5: the role of Marquez.

554
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 3: That's what dude.

555
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 5: When we do this show pregame preview, we did it

556
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 5: with Chuckman and Hall ahead of the first fight, and

557
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 5: you know, Chuck, he is just so salient.

558
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 3: Is that thing what I'm looking for?

559
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: Maybe it depends viral? No, yeah, viral that's it?

560
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, meaning his seed.

561
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 5: I mean, Chuck said, we may have got this wrong

562
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 5: this whole time, this rivalry. We always thought it was

563
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 5: the story of out of Sonia, right, finally getting this

564
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 5: guy off his back.

565
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 3: It's really the story of Podata up to this point,

566
00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

567
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 5: I mean, brought Lesnar like this, like turn around to

568
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 5: come to the sport and just become the man overnight.

569
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: This is a This is a movie. This this was

570
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: it is a movie. You know what I'm saying, Like,

571
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 2: this is a.

572
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 4: Movie, and.

573
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: His his role in it. We have to see what

574
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: what what? What's on the next iteration? What's on the

575
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 2: next fight? Because the way that he's been able to

576
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 2: just grow in the sport at the rapid speed he's

577
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: been able to do and then has his demeanor, I

578
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: swear like he's got such.

579
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 4: A cold, like like he's got bodies under his you

580
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.

581
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 5: Did you see remember remember when Larry Bird was the

582
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 5: coach of the Pacers, and they hit that buzzer beater

583
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 5: against the Bulls in ninety eight and that seven game

584
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 5: series and Reggie Miller hit that three and did that

585
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 5: weird spin around dance and Larry Bird they made the

586
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 5: camera on him.

587
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 3: He looked up, saw the shot and he goes and

588
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 3: just kept walking. Did you see Podata when he knocked

589
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 3: out is He And he's just.

590
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 4: Like, that's that's coold, stowing no emotion.

591
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: He's a real war Let's follow up on that. Let's

592
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: say that Izzy does the Marquez that knocks him out cold. Right,

593
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: if you're if you're padata, do you go to two

594
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: o five? Do you try to get another fight with Iszzy?

595
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: What do you think? Because we talked about the guy

596
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: is fucking huge and it's not like the top of

597
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: two of five is filled with like the most dynamic wrestlers.

598
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think you gotta go for Izzy again.

599
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: I mean I think I think it has to be.

600
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: Again.

601
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: We've got to be a quin Tillidry. I mean, it's

602
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: it's gotta be number five. I mean it's only gonna

603
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: be three fights in the UFC, so that'd be the

604
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: third one.

605
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 4: I mean, people would love to see.

606
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: That, right, poor Izzy. Yeah, I mean if it sucks

607
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: either way, right, because the way rematches go. Now, if

608
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: you're a pa Data, which he was, you gotta beat

609
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: Izzy twice. And if you're Izzy, you're gonna have to

610
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: end up beating that fucking guy twice. Ye. For anyone

611
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: gets any kind of decision here about who came out

612
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: on top. It's crazy.

613
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 2: But I mean, think about the relationship those two half.

614
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: They have such a weird relationship, but they have a relationship.

615
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: When you're in there and you're fighting some and you're

616
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 2: fighting him like that for four fights, you feel there's

617
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: a connection. There's an unspoken connection like whenever I fought somebody,

618
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: there was like a there was some kind of bond

619
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: or you not like they say, like ducks in print

620
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 2: on each other. There's some kind of in printing when

621
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 2: you fight somebody and it's a real tough fight where

622
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: you like look at each other's eyes and like, yo,

623
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: this motherfucker's still here.

624
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 4: I respect. Yeah, but there's that thing, you know.

625
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: So these two are the they know each other so well,

626
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: and it's such an interesting dynamic.

627
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 4: They would have to do it again.

628
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: Even by the way, even if Poeton won again.

629
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 5: I still feel like these two are both gonna end

630
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 5: up in light heavyweight sooner than later. So they're both

631
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 5: right around thirty five. They're both you know, have had

632
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 5: big success.

633
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 3: But do you think is he do you? Because there

634
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: was a point where we thought he was going to

635
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 3: move up?

636
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 5: You know, he was a favorite to Peoplehovic, We were

637
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 5: already talking about he was gonna fight John for the

638
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 5: heavyweight belt. He likes sense that somewhat humbling loss to

639
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 5: Blukhovich we've seen is he come back.

640
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: Down to earth.

641
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 5: But the reality is he's cleaned out this division like

642
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 5: twice over right.

643
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: Do you see him stay in the middle wag either way?

644
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't that part. I just really don't.

645
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: The only thing that holds me back is I said,

646
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: this is he last time I saw him, I saw

647
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: him before two eighty one. We got to go to

648
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: the mansion he was renting. It was a very nice

649
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: mansion shot, I have to tell you, But he looked

650
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: much bigger than I'd ever seen him, and he again

651
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: he wasn't quite cutting weight. It was a Tuesday of

652
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: fight week, but I had asked him, was like, are

653
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Speaker 1: you putting a weight and he was telling me it's

654
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: a slow process. He's been working towards the like ever

655
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: so little each camp, a little more muscle, a little

656
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: more muscle, little more muscle, so that by the time

657
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: that the decision comes to go to two of five,

658
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: you're already ready. You're not trying to just build up

659
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. So I do think he's got

660
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: a future there. But at the same time, like he's

661
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: not as big and strong as like some of these

662
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: other guys at two o five who are naturally.

663
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: And everybody's going to follow the Blohovitch playbook at two five.

664
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Speaker 1: Again, well everyone can follow the hoach To playbook where

665
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: everyone thinks it's just taking easy down, but Bloxhovich had

666
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: to stop his leg kick first to put them in rain,

667
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: and then that jab began, and then the jab was

668
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: key obviously, and there's some other things. So I think

669
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: you will go to a five. But it's not like

670
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: I think even for Patata, I like, would you would

671
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: you bet on either guy to go and take the

672
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: weight class title right away? I mean maybe, but it's

673
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: not a slam dunk case.

674
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: Right, That's not it's not And I say that because

675
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: once you go to a new weight class, you got

676
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: to feel out that weight class. Each weight class has

677
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: a certain vibe, right, a certain style in which people

678
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: are used to fighting based upon the contenders in that

679
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: weight class. Right, So in the light heavyweight weight class,

680
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: they're not They're not like the middleweight weight class as

681
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: far as like their strengths.

682
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 4: Right. So Izzy would have to go there.

683
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 2: And kind of carve out a new steak at two

684
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: o five or put at a carve out a new

685
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: steak at that weight class to really make their style

686
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: of fighting the predominant style that's the predominant side, or

687
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 2: the style has beaten everybody.

688
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 5: I just think either way they will fight again in

689
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 5: the UFCN either way, you know what I mean, either

690
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 5: division right there. But you know what a victory if

691
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 5: is he pulls this off. It can do for all

692
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 5: those kids with saggy nipples.

693
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: To have, you know, to have that.

694
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: Second overshot, don't leaf that's his second saggi nipple joke

695
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: of the week.

696
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 5: I have very very small amount of material. I mean,

697
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 5: does Joe Rogan dress like a bus boy? That's for

698
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 5: us to debate, right.

699
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 4: Hey, is he just needed to go ahead and just

700
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: kind of.

701
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: Saggi nipples is game a little tweet.

702
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: So let's let's let's talk about the reversal. So let's

703
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: say Potata wins, right, this puts him in a really,

704
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: I mean just a totally dominant position. I wonder what

705
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: it does for middleweight for shot because here's the thing,

706
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: pop qui or not pop quiz, but rather let me

707
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: put you on the spot. If Potata wins and his

708
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: next fight is against Rob Whittaker, does Whittaker win?

709
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 4: I would say probably right.

710
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: And I say that because of the fact that Whittaker

711
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: is much more well rounded than is he and I

712
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: feel he has a wrestling the impols and Bobby Nuckles

713
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: is just so damn tough. Bobby is one of my

714
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: favorite fighters in the weight class. But I feel like

715
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: there's a whole slew of fighters Hamza included that could

716
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: definitely do some damage to put out it because of

717
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: the fact that they can be so dominant on the ground.

718
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's the biggest thing in put

719
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: Out is, you know, to his title, Like, if he

720
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: can't keep guys from dominating on the ground, then he's

721
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: only going.

722
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: To be open season.

723
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 5: Because he's been the toughest division for not I mean,

724
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 5: it seems like it came out of nowhere when he

725
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 5: became the champion.

726
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: But now you look back.

727
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 5: And you're like, I mean, he has beaten wit It

728
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 5: or twice. He has beaten everybody across the board. That's

729
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,479
Speaker 5: why even if he loses, we do have to have

730
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 5: sort of legacy talks fairly enough, but I do agree

731
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 5: that he's already achieved a certain level of like Hall

732
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: of Fame, one of the greats. But there was a

733
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 5: season we were talking about him as potentially one of.

734
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: The all time grades.

735
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 5: That would take a hit with back to back losses

736
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 5: in this case. But if is he's no longer the champion,

737
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 5: it would be open season and everybody thinking, oh, I've

738
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 5: got a chance only style wise against Podta, But also

739
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 5: he hasn't beaten me yet, you know, for the.

740
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: Most part across the board.

741
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 5: But who you know, who's more likely to show dramatic

742
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 5: improvements between these two fights in their own respective way,

743
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 5: Who's more like.

744
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: He's got more to learn so he has a much

745
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: better learning curve.

746
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 5: We can say that easily because he is the less

747
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 5: overall experienced. But we haven't heard much from Izzy In fact,

748
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 5: I don't think he's actually done an official sit down

749
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 5: in the last year.

750
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: In the last few weeks maybe outside of UFC.

751
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: He did one in Australia or New Zealand for a

752
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: radio station there wass Ago.

753
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 5: They put a sit down with him and John Annak

754
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 5: on the UFC website last night that I think was

755
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 5: filmed back at the mach I fight in Firth.

756
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: So my question is this, like when I say.

757
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 5: That he could he could put have put in the

758
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 5: time as a wrestler. He could have just saying look,

759
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 5: this spoogeyman has one glaring weakness, so why don't I

760
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 5: expose you?

761
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: But but the idea I think the we're shot, and

762
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: I are pointing out quickly if I'm wrong with shot,

763
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: If you're like when you ask who's got more to

764
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: learn a white or a black belt, a white belt

765
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: is gonna have much more to learn, so they're gonna

766
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: pick up a lot of things very quickly. If you're

767
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: a black belt, you've already got a lot under there.

768
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: How much better can you actually get? Not much better

769
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: already you're already better. But in terms of your level

770
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: of improvement event to event, it's just there's not as

771
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: much to go. You can't get that much better.

772
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 5: So is the mistake of CKB as being the no

773
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 5: nic giants. Yes, there's no pressure on the CKB brand here.

774
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: Unless they turn in a stinker of a performance with

775
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: a game plan. I think that their reputation as game

776
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: planners is very much intact because it's not just the

777
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: Izzy train. Remember you've got Joe Lopez, who was Alexander

778
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: Volkonowski's trainer, but also now Eugene Bairman. Eugene there though

779
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: those guys. I have talked to Eugene Bairman a couple

780
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: of times, both on the record and a little bit off. Dude,

781
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: when I tell you, he has a level of thought

782
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: that goes into game plan that I've just not even

783
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: heard most other coaches even contemplate. I'm telling you he's

784
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: he's look at me, He's put the camera on me.

785
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: Put the camera on me. Ready, Let's try it. I

786
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: love doing this. Let's see if we can get it

787
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: going here? Can I switch it up?

788
00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: I don't think they're listening.

789
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we're just doing But I'll say it

790
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: this way. He's that guy when when it comes to

791
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: game plans, Eugene Barriman is that guy, Make no mistake

792
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: about it. But a game plan can be the smartest

793
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: game plan in the world, and it doesn't mean it's perfect,

794
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean it's gonna work.

795
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: And is he gonna gass himself out trying to be

796
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: this rest lo out of nowhere?

797
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: Even the fact that whenever you're getting ready for a fight,

798
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: you always want to kind of do things that you're

799
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: familiar with, even if you got embarrassed or knocked out

800
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: a fight, there's a certain routine that kind of fits

801
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: your character in your person, right, So I say that

802
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: because you know, is he's been quiet this whole week,

803
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: How does that play to the izzy that we know

804
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: this kind of you know, outgoing person who's always laugh

805
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: and who's always you know, has that outgoing energy. Does

806
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: that affect his expression in the cage because he's one

807
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: of those He's an artists in every single form of

808
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: the way, and you know the way he walks out

809
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: and everything he's so he's such an artist to that point.

810
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: And it's all about performance.

811
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 4: So we'll not.

812
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: Getting into the verbal side of things and not talking

813
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 2: about the fight with that effective performance. And I don't know,

814
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: because it kind of all goes together with the rhythm

815
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: of the fight. You know, when I came in a

816
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: fight week, I had a certain rhythm that I like

817
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: to have in order to make me feel loose and

818
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: relaxed on Saturday.

819
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: This is the rhythm of the fight.

820
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: Boom, the fight will Yeah.

821
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: If I had ebola and a score gun, I would

822
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: shoot you in the face.

823
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: See.

824
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: You know they don't like when I sing in my house,

825
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 5: but I have an underrated high note.

826
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: For you have a terrible false set of all right,

827
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: so let's talk about the comin event if we can.

828
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: I love this comine event. This is gonna be great.

829
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: It's the battle of Miami, although one guy is certainly

830
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: much more Miami than the other. When Jorge masle All

831
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: welcomes Gilbert Burns for a welterweight title, excuse me be

832
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: a welterweight well title implications b see in this one

833
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: sort of maybe see regular alert.

834
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 5: We talked to Gilbert Burns and sit down that you

835
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 5: can watch on YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat ahead

836
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 5: of this fight, and it's interesting.

837
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: Rashad.

838
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 5: It's been a lot of talk about this Weltchawait title decision.

839
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 5: Who's got next for Leon Edwards? You know Colby getting

840
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 5: the push from Dana White and UFC. The fans want

841
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 5: Pala Muhammed, But what about this fight on Saturday.

842
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: We know Gilbert's a big favorite.

843
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 5: I know we're never gonna count out mositt All and

844
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 5: we'll get into all those reasons why. But Gilbert believes

845
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 5: a finish, a knockout, really could be enough to sway

846
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 5: the public. But most importantly, the UFC brass that he

847
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 5: should be next.

848
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: Is that a legitimate take this?

849
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: I think it's definitely legitimate take because at the end

850
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: of the day, it's about selling pay per views, right,

851
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 2: And if Gilbert goes out there and he has an

852
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: impressive performance where he's starchs Orge in some kind of

853
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: unforeseen way, is gonna get people talking. It's gonna get

854
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: the UFCAS excited. I wasn't in line to fight Forrest Griffin,

855
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: but when I knocked out Chuck Ladell, they had to

856
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: give it, you know what I'm saying. So it's all

857
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: on how you do things. You can make an interest

858
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: that way. And the only reason why Colby got jumped

859
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: the line in front of everybody because he's got the

860
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: name he's got the name, he's got, he's gonna bring

861
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: the talking aspect of it, and Ballal is definitely well

862
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: deserving of that shot, but he's lacking that that excitement

863
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: factor for people to really see him fight.

864
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: So it was Leon. He had to wait a long

865
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: ass time too. That's the game.

866
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: That's what I do. I do think. I will say this,

867
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't think the chances of it is my personal opinion.

868
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: I don't think the chances of Burns getting a title

869
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: shot are great. But I do think that if he

870
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: goes in there and let's say he knocks him out.

871
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: Remember Umer kamar is knock out of him, which was insane,

872
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: not not not a Burns but a mass at all. Right,

873
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: If he goes in there to something kind of like

874
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: that and then gets on the microphone and says, you know,

875
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: Leon Edwards, you know you're next, or we got a

876
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: time to whatever, whatever the fuck he says some tyme

877
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: of like.

878
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: Green Panny Knight in the novella, Yeah, green Penny Knight.

879
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: If he goes in there and stakes his claim, I

880
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: think there will be some kind of push to be like,

881
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: wait a second, this guy's out here blowing the fucking

882
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 1: doors off of people. Remember he just finished Neil Magnie

883
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: like it was nothing nothing, right, And dude, Neil Magnie,

884
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: that's a hard guy to like just make him look

885
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: like a chump and right, So he does that. Then

886
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 1: let's say he goes into against Hoortge people, this guy's

887
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: that are fighting Hamzat Chimaya taking fights against Neil Magnie

888
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have to take. Then he waits for

889
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: Jorge because Jorge said no, apparently a punch time, and

890
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: then knocks him out. How the fuck do you look

891
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: past that guy like that?

892
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

893
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 5: Right, and he's a savage And have you noticed this

894
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 5: like the crowd maybe it's the violence of the Hamzat

895
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 5: fight and then waking up and being like, wow, this

896
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 5: is kind of who Gilbert spent all along.

897
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: Fans love Gilbert, right, Yeah.

898
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 5: Like he's become one of those living legend action heroes

899
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 5: that they want. And at thirty six, he's obviously a

900
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 5: lot closer to peak prime title contention than where the

901
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 5: current mobs of it all is. But I don't think

902
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 5: Gilbert's lost much when we're talking about age, I think

903
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 5: he's used the experience. I think when we talked to him.

904
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 5: We heard the maturity and this is the first time

905
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 5: I've given up sweets. Like, you know, he is really ready.

906
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 4: To like sugar.

907
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 5: I mean, when you get to that point, you have

908
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 5: to that point at some point in your career, and

909
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: you're probably in your early thirties right where it's just

910
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 5: sort of like, if I stop all that shit, you

911
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 5: know what I mean, if I stop worrying, if I

912
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 5: stop this, if I start doing this, could I be

913
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 5: even better?

914
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: Yeah?

915
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: And I've watched you know, Gilbert evolve ever since, you know,

916
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: he's first came to the Black Zillions with viter Belfort

917
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: and just to watch his progression, you know, trying to

918
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: struggle to make it the one fifty five to now

919
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: being comfortable at one seventy and to now, you know,

920
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: be an opportunity that he is right now up in

921
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: the top five, up in the upper echelone of the

922
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 2: what's weight to class.

923
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 4: You know, he's a different fighter, but he's.

924
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: Got this belief in himself that he's just been growing

925
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: over time. He works with a mental coach, and he's

926
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: really good about handling that part of the game, weeding

927
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: out that mental guard and making sure there's no weeds

928
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: that sprout on fight night, and and that's a full

929
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: time job.

930
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 4: But you don't see a lot of.

931
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: Fighters really dedicate themselves to the mental aspect of it

932
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: and just really embracing what the fight's gonna bring, because

933
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: you can say, yeah, I had a great practice, I'm

934
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: kicking ass in practice, but it's not the same as

935
00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: fight night.

936
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 4: For some reason.

937
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: On fight night, the thoughts that come into your head

938
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: they're just ridiculous. Sometimes they're laughable, and that's part of

939
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: the fight itself.

940
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 4: How do you make it through that? But Gilbert has.

941
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: Found a way to really mentally make himself such a

942
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: strong giant and everything is just coming together for him.

943
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: Or look, he's super dangerous Gilbert Burns.

944
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 5: We're kind of counting out Joorge for the age for

945
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 5: the style reasons, but he will be in front of

946
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 5: the hometown. And even though it's a three fight losing

947
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 5: streak that was against the super elite and two gentlemen

948
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 5: you know, in particular Kolby and twice against Usman, what

949
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 5: will that factor be of this is his last chance

950
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 5: mixed with that whole pop he's gonna get for three

951
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 5: h five, We're starting to see him featured again. Brett

952
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 5: Okomotive did the Uespean drive along in his old neighborhood.

953
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 5: It's like it's almost like twenty nineteen all over again,

954
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 5: but it's twenty twenty three, Masvidalso how dangerous could could

955
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 5: the very best version of thirty eight year old mobs?

956
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: Would ill still be for burns?

957
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: I mean it's certainly not one you could just look

958
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: the other way on right. That would be real stupid.

959
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: And I don't think Gilbert's doing that. He doesn't to

960
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: your point. He just seems to be the kind of

961
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: guy who wants to cross every te dot every eye

962
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: and make the most of his opportunities. And I think

963
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,959
Speaker 1: he probably will. And also Gilbert says something dust I thought

964
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: it was kind of be interesting for Shaw, which was

965
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, he didn't think it was a

966
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: great look that essentially Jorge had said this week, you know,

967
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: if I lose, I might be done. You know, it's possible.

968
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: He didn't like that, but he goes, I'll tell you what,

969
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: you know, here's how I view that. I view that

970
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: as okay. Then that means he's going to be extra

971
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: dangerous because this is it, this is the last one.

972
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: This is the last push. He's not going to let

973
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: me just He's not gonna lay down for me. So

974
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: how dangerous do I think he is? I mean, I

975
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: just man, thirty eight at one hundred and seventy pounds

976
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: is a bad place to be. Yeah, it's a bad place.

977
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 5: I mean, did Toma's well look bad against Holby when

978
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 5: we look back at the last time we saw him.

979
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: No, just okay, he didn't look bad. He did look

980
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: old for one seventy for one seven. Again, if we're

981
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: at heavyweight, it's a very different conversation. But at one

982
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy pounds for Shaw, there was the stat

983
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: that got circulated, so he was one twenty five to

984
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: one seventy title fights. What was the record of any

985
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: fighter thirty five and above ready for one seventy? It

986
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: was two and twenty eight for one eight five on up,

987
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: it's basically fifty to fifty, right, and who are the

988
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: city it was? It was the only two retiring Woodley

989
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: that was right. So I'm pointing out something here. This

990
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: is not a title fight, but it is just a

991
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: step down from that. And you got a guy who's

992
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: thirty eight. That's a tough place to be bro.

993
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 2: It is, you know, but I look at some of

994
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: the things that gamebrid does really well. You know, he's

995
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: he's got such a slick striking style, and it's very

996
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: hard to really understand how hard it is and how

997
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: difficult he is until you're standing in front of him.

998
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: You know, I trained with him a long time ago,

999
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: back in the day when he was uh, you know,

1000
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: just getting into just getting into it with with with

1001
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: the American Top Team and things like that, and uh,

1002
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: he had pretty tricky stand up back then, and now

1003
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: he's gotten more comfortable with it. But like you said,

1004
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: it's what has this age brought. But I would say

1005
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: more what has success outside the cage brought, because that's

1006
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: what really is starting to get you to think as

1007
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: a fighter. Damn, this is a hard way to make

1008
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: a living.

1009
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 4: And you know, when you.

1010
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: Start pulling in checks from doing other things, that takes

1011
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 2: a lot less.

1012
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 4: The fighting life seems to be a lot hard to be.

1013
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 4: You gotta be savage about it.

1014
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: You got to keep a hand on a savage pulse

1015
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: in order for you to mentally go out there and

1016
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 2: compete with these.

1017
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: Savages out there.

1018
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: And I think it may be some of the success

1019
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: that he's had on the outside. Of course that what

1020
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: he does in the cage propels what he does on

1021
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: the outside the cage, but sometimes the private jets and

1022
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: just living that superstar lifestyle it softens you up.

1023
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 3: That's funny because I agree.

1024
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 5: I mean, look, there's a difference between twenty nineteen and

1025
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three Hori Mosvial and it's four years.

1026
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: Of age in a lot of ways.

1027
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: And also also having been viciously chaos.

1028
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 5: Oh for sure, but also like what made him so

1029
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 5: special in that twenty nineteen because he wasn't that same

1030
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 5: fighter in the previous years.

1031
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 3: He was sometimes really good and sometimes not so.

1032
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 5: Much, remember that WonderBoy fight, But you know it was

1033
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 5: that belief in himself.

1034
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: But he was still trying to.

1035
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 5: Prove that year proved to a lot of ways that

1036
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 5: he's legitimate and not a journeyman, but also, like you're saying,

1037
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 5: to finally get that public validation mixed with the money

1038
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 5: that all this grind was worth it. And you know,

1039
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 5: I watched that length right along he did with Brett,

1040
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 5: and you know, I think there is some sort of

1041
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 5: you know, he's sitting there going, look what I retire

1042
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 5: I'm probably gonna be two hundred fifty pounds instantly, you

1043
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 5: know what I mean. So you can see already sort

1044
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 5: of the one foot out the door. So he still

1045
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 5: have that motivation. I don't know if even the hometown

1046
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 5: crowd and the one last chance narrative could propel him

1047
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 5: to where he was in twenty nineteen, because that was

1048
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 5: a special time in a special athletes life where everything

1049
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 5: came together and he seemed to have a somewhat spiritually

1050
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 5: rebuilding moment in the jungles there of Central America. When

1051
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 5: he did that reality show, he found his why, or

1052
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 5: he found whatever it was, and that can sometimes only

1053
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 5: last season and elite sports.

1054
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 3: It really cameras. It's hard to ask him to be

1055
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: that same guy four years later.

1056
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: But he was starving then, right, starving for that opportunity,

1057
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: starving to get his place, seeing all these new up

1058
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: and coming guys pass him by, and like, I've been

1059
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: here way before these guys have, It's my time. That's

1060
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: what got him to that point. It set hunger. Has

1061
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: his hunger been satiated?

1062
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: I think I h the point two against irrespective of age.

1063
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: I remember he came off of that reality show we

1064
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: did an interview with him. I was at serious extem

1065
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: at the time, and he sounded different. He sounded like

1066
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: a little bit not meaner, but just clearer about everything

1067
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: that he was ready to offer and what he had

1068
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: to do. But she was interesting. But I always I've

1069
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: always had a great deal of respect for Jorge's skill set,

1070
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: and even to this day, he's super well rounded and

1071
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: always has been. But he was always that guy that like,

1072
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: before the big breakthrough, Jorge was the guy who gave

1073
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: Guilbert Blendez a tough fight and strike force, but didn't

1074
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: beat him. You know, like all the guys at all

1075
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: the fighters would be like, well he's tough, Like he's tough,

1076
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: but he couldn't quite get over the hump. But in

1077
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen he just let it all go and then

1078
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: he had what he had. But the problem is, I

1079
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: think it was it feels to me like it was

1080
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: at the very end of his prime. He finally got

1081
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: everything right where it needed to be. He got what

1082
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: he could out of the experience, he maximized it. But

1083
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: you can't it's hard to keep that up, especially as you.

1084
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: Get the we're shot.

1085
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 5: In hindsight, if we could have got you licking toads

1086
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 5: after the Materia fight, right right, Yeah, he would have

1087
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 5: never lost a game.

1088
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: It would have.

1089
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: Definitely been a perspective shift because you know, I would

1090
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: say it was everything I had outside of MMA that's

1091
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: softened me up, That made training and doing what I

1092
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: needed to do to get ready for the fight a

1093
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: lot harder.

1094
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: Ask Let me ask you about that when you say

1095
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: it made you softer? A, what does that mean? And B?

1096
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: Were those things just part of life, like having kids

1097
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: for example, something like that?

1098
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 4: Well, it was.

1099
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: Some of it was a part of life, but a

1100
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 2: lot of it was, you know, enjoying the life, hanging out, partying.

1101
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: You know, you get involved in different circles from you know,

1102
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: all kinds of different people you see on TV and

1103
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, almost celebrity.

1104
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 4: You start hanging out.

1105
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: With these people and you get but you started living

1106
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: a different life and you start to to not be

1107
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: in the gym as much. You stop being a gym rat,

1108
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: you stop being around the sport, you train when you

1109
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: have to. You you start to be like, oh man, today,

1110
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: I gotta train. You know, you start to be guds

1111
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: training because of the fact that you've you've started to

1112
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: live this other part of your life. And I would say,

1113
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: when you're in that position, you gotta keep your nose

1114
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: just right on the grind and just gotta keep it

1115
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: on the grind, gotta keep pushing forward, because if you don't,

1116
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: it's it's very easy to just start falling away from

1117
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: that hunger and that grind and that savagery that you

1118
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: need to be.

1119
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 5: And dude Burns has scary hunger, scary savagery, the a

1120
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 5: built more, the ability to win fights in more areas.

1121
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 5: He seems to be a little bit pressure fresher. This

1122
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 5: is a this is an uphill bell I mean, I'll

1123
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 5: just say this, there's a big time uphill.

1124
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind that Jorge is very

1125
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: dangerous and should be taken seriously. But there's also no

1126
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind that Burns wants it more. There's

1127
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: just not a doubt at all. Like he he was

1128
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: even saying like he didn't even want to put the

1129
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: words into the universe about what it would mean for

1130
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: his career to finish without getting a title, Like he

1131
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: doesn't even want to say it, not superstitiously, but just

1132
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: not not to give it life, to give it oxygen.

1133
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: He wants to make sure that there's not that, and

1134
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think if it ends up

1135
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: where he doesn't have a title at the end of

1136
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: his career, I think he still will find some peace

1137
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: with it. But I understand, like he's so completely he

1138
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: still has Like Jorgey did a lot with his career

1139
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: in the end, like it all happened kind of late,

1140
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: but he did a lot, and Burns has done a

1141
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: lot too. But I don't think Burns has had that

1142
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: moment of satisfaction where the rock is putting a fucking

1143
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: belt on you. It's like Gilbert's never been that guy,

1144
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: and I think he still wants it, you know, And

1145
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: I think that that to me, that's the biggest difference

1146
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: between these two, aside from age and stuff like that.

1147
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk a little bit more about what's

1148
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: on this card. B C very excited about this. He

1149
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: loves MK. He wants some gear. We gotta get him

1150
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: some gear.

1151
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: We gotta put Adrian Yanez in a bomber jacket. I'm

1152
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 3: gonna say I'm gonna get shot some gear. First.

1153
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 4: I got one shirt.

1154
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 5: I got one shirt, one shirt, I.

1155
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 4: Got one shirt.

1156
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: Bull We gotta get you. We gotta get you a

1157
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: bomber jacket. I mean, I don't know when you would

1158
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: wear it in South Florida.

1159
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: Every time.

1160
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: His name actually is pronounced, this is true. Jan. Yes,

1161
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: the end has an N, but if we want to

1162
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: say yan As, it's fine. BC love this contest. He

1163
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: is five and zero in the UFC, obviously has more

1164
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: fights than that. Gets right in the pocket? Did we?

1165
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: I talked to him. His favorite other fighters are like

1166
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: Canelo and other boxers. He really sees himself in that way.

1167
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: Although now he's got a Muayti coach that he has

1168
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: helped sort of round out his game. He's taking on

1169
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: Rob Font. Rob Font shouts to Rob Font. Boy never

1170
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: had an easy fight in the octagon, fucking ever, John

1171
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: Lineker before anyone wanted to fight him, Joseialdo and everything else.

1172
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: But he's also older, took a year off great matchmaking.

1173
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: Love this matchmaking two great boxers.

1174
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: Let me jump in and tell you why I love

1175
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: this matchmaking.

1176
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 5: Wise, Janes looks to be a future player in this division,

1177
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 5: which happens to be one.

1178
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 3: Of the deepest in the game.

1179
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 5: Okay, but he hasn't been anybody on the Rob fon level.

1180
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 5: Yet he's got a seven fight win streak one all

1181
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 5: five fights in the UFC shows a plus level.

1182
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 3: Understanding of adapting boxing to the modern MMA game. But

1183
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: we can't count out Rob font yet, and the odds

1184
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: makers aren't.

1185
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 5: This is close on paper, Rob Fonts already saying this

1186
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 5: will be the guaranteed fight of the night. But even

1187
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 5: though Rob Fonts coming off a year away from the

1188
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 5: game and two losses at the high level, that four

1189
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 5: fight win streak before that, which was like simone, it

1190
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 5: was like Garbrandt, it was two other. There's one, two

1191
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 5: other and then one of them is like the most

1192
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 5: impressive name of the grow Sergio Pettison there as well.

1193
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: I mean, he put together a run. He proved that

1194
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: he's of the elite of this division.

1195
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 5: He's been a little bit away, He's had a couple

1196
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 5: of missteps, but I like what he's talked about in

1197
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 5: the interviews of like, this fight is about maintaining what

1198
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 5: I have, reminding everybody I'm still here.

1199
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 3: We can't forget that this is the toughest opponent Giannis.

1200
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 5: Has faced up at this point, and he's super hungry

1201
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 5: at thirty five. To remind you that he's still here

1202
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 5: fighting the night. Potential huge, yes, but this is gonna

1203
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 5: be really hard for your boy here. And I don't

1204
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 5: mean Eric Anders, Okay, this is gonna be really hard.

1205
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 5: I mean how how good is Yanna's during this win

1206
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 5: streak of what he could be in your eyes?

1207
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. I love to watching in his face.

1208
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: He reminds me of Game Bread And that's why I'm

1209
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: so surprised at both fighting on the same card.

1210
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 4: I mean, they're gonna be back to back.

1211
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: Game Bread is fighting, But I mean his fighting style

1212
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 2: is something that I love since a minute.

1213
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 4: I've heard his story, you know, about his dad taking.

1214
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: Him to you know, drive by and get him into fighting,

1215
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: and drive by that the Toyota Center and say one

1216
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: day you're gonna be fighting there. And he actually did

1217
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: fight there and his dad passed away.

1218
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 4: That moved me.

1219
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: But just to watch the fire that he was, to

1220
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: watch his spirit, you know, just to watch the way

1221
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 2: he carries himself. He's such a poised young man, such

1222
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 2: a poised young man, and that poised it really reflects

1223
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: in the way he fights. When he's in the pocket,

1224
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: He's not afraid.

1225
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 4: He goes in there.

1226
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: He's you know ten toes down and he's exchanging and

1227
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: he's gonna let it go. And for me, I love

1228
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 2: his style. I feel he's gonna, you know, walk rob

1229
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: down and really just give it as good as he's

1230
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: get it, give it as good he's gonna give it

1231
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: and still be there.

1232
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: The only concern I have yourshot, I wonder what you

1233
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: make of this is just the longevity of that style.

1234
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: So if you just look at his career numbers, it's

1235
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: not like he gets hit a ton, but he does

1236
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: get hit above average, and I feel like, you know,

1237
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: it's interesting you see a lot of these young guys

1238
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: who I think have recognized that MMA striking is, you know,

1239
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: obviously always changing, but room to improve, and they take

1240
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: some of the sharpness that comes from professional boxers and

1241
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: they want to bring some of those hands to the game,

1242
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: which he's done. But you gotta put yourself in the

1243
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: line of fire and MMA to do that, So I

1244
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: think into taking a lot of punches or strikes in general.

1245
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: So he's got a bit of a Max Holloway thing

1246
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: where he kind of gets dinged up a little bit

1247
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: early and then begins to just take things away and

1248
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: then really cert in a by round two or three,

1249
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: you know it's kind of over for you at that point.

1250
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: But I wonder about the longevity of a style like that.

1251
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 4: What do you make It's a tough style. It's a

1252
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 4: tough style. You watch justin Gaichie.

1253
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: You know, he's he's known for such a blitzing style

1254
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: where he's able to land these big shots and you know,

1255
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: throw from the fifty to fifty point of view, meaning

1256
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: he can get hit just as well. He can give

1257
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: it that style. It does age you quickly in the

1258
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 2: fight game. But one thing I see in your Nezza

1259
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: style is the fact that he does get angles, and

1260
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: I feel like getting angles is a key to really

1261
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: making show that you're able to let your hands go

1262
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: like that. At the same time your opponent is not

1263
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: able to give it back because in.

1264
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 4: Order for him to give.

1265
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: It back, he's got to turn and face you, and

1266
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 2: he's going to be turned into punches. So I feel

1267
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: like with that said, he's evolving his game. And the

1268
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: simple fact that he's brought a new coach in, a

1269
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: new muy Thai coach doing more Mui Thai is going

1270
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: to evolve that game where he's going to start to

1271
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: use more of his long weapons and then that will

1272
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: kind of alleviate someone that bang and distance from the

1273
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 2: short weapons in his hands.

1274
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 5: Look, what do you think we learned from the two

1275
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 5: fight losing skate of rob font the second one being

1276
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 5: the Cheeto Vera fight in terms of like that four

1277
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 5: fight win streak before there was like, okay, this guy

1278
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 5: might be ready for that upper group, and the upper

1279
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 5: group at Bannonley is more impressive to say than most

1280
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 5: divisions did.

1281
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: What happened that?

1282
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 5: Does he take a step back from those defeats or

1283
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 5: is it more like retool He's been off for a

1284
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 5: year and let's come back for one more.

1285
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: The thing for me is this, he also lost to

1286
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: Lineker early in his UFC run, but he went the distance,

1287
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 1: by the way, like he went all three rounds with Lineker,

1288
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: who is just you know, I mean like little Anganu

1289
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: with the punching power, right, So he was actually able

1290
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: to withstand all of that like much like Cheeto Vera did.

1291
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: But to me, the problem was basically has come around

1292
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: that if he when he's got a real clear skilled differential,

1293
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: well he eats those guys alive. When there it's a

1294
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: little bit more give and take there's not enough fire power.

1295
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: There's not enough. It's just much more defensively oriented. His

1296
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: defense is great, like he's always latterly moving. He takes angles,

1297
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: he can slip punch it encounter, but it just seems

1298
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: that he ends up succumbing a little bit to the

1299
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: upper echelon's offense much more. This makes sense, like, yes,

1300
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: better guys are gonna better offense, but it almost turns

1301
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 1: him into a Like if he's a nine in certain fights,

1302
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: it almost turns him back to a six or a five.

1303
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: He just can't seem to get going with Janez. I

1304
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: think that he might have a reach advantage. I believe

1305
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: he does have to double check that if I'm him man.

1306
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: One of the things that Rob font has always had

1307
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: a good version of is a jab. His jab is excellent.

1308
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,959
Speaker 1: He sets everything up behind the jab. To me, it's

1309
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: it's about dude, you got to make that job count

1310
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: for more than just volume and angle changing. It's gotta

1311
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: pump that guy's face backwards the whole time, right, or

1312
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: at least you know key components.

1313
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 5: Do you see people willing and ready to crown Janez

1314
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 5: though before this fight he hasn't beaten anybody on this

1315
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 5: level likely to be fair.

1316
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 2: But I would say that I will say that Rob

1317
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: Font is kind of made for Yanez and the respect that.

1318
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: One thing I noticed about Rob thought is that he's

1319
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: one of those guys who rocks the high guard. You know,

1320
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,479
Speaker 2: he'll cover up high high and it's good for keeping

1321
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: yourself from getting hit with the big shots, but you

1322
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 2: blind yourself.

1323
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 4: I used to love to fight guys who.

1324
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: Would completely put their hands up because that would mean

1325
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: I had my whole wrestling game open, you know, and

1326
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: eventually I'm gonna be able to get something through. So

1327
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: defensively speaking, Rob Font has to be a lot better.

1328
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: He has to cover up. But at the same time,

1329
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: don't get stationary and static and stay here and wait

1330
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: for the guy to stop punching. You got to cover

1331
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: up and also move your feet in conjunction with the

1332
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: defense that you're putting up, because if you don't, you're

1333
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 2: sitting duck and with somebody with handspeed like in Nez

1334
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 2: and with punching IQ like he's gonna find a shot.

1335
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: Adrian.

1336
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I was gonna say, I think it's

1337
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: I love the matchmaking to your point, because if wins

1338
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: best winning his career by far.

1339
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 3: He's ready for that, that.

1340
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: That big step step and then mansam weight so hot.

1341
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: Right now, it's the fun division. But if if Font wins,

1342
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: it's a big like you almost a forgotten moment, right

1343
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: It's a big like let let you know what time

1344
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: it is. I'm not done here. He's also taking a

1345
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: lot of damage at this point too, between the Vera end,

1346
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: especially the Aldo fight. He got banged up in that

1347
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: fight a lot. So in one sense we're talking about

1348
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: young as a style. Font has been put through the

1349
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: ringer a little bit as well. By the way, big

1350
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: golfer rob if you know that.

1351
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got a new podcast, The Fun Forecast with

1352
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 5: Mike Owins Media.

1353
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeaheah, he's a big golfer golfer.

1354
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 3: Hey can we talk about Raoul Rosas.

1355
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: And he thoughts Kevin Holland versus Santiago Puons Nibbio kind

1356
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: of a fun welter.

1357
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: That's that's gonna be a lot of fun, man.

1358
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I love to watch Kevin Holland fight losses.

1359
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: Although the Wonder Boy one was weird because of it

1360
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: got stopped due to the injury or whatever. But but

1361
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: he's still Hams.

1362
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: That one was weird too, because that one.

1363
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: Was weird because Homes I just kind of ran him over.

1364
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: But you know, all right, whatever, this is still a

1365
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: one seventy. I like this fight for But.

1366
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 2: Here, here's the thing though, I kind of wonder though,

1367
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: how much does Kevin Holland still believe in himself?

1368
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 4: You remember that.

1369
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: When he was fighting during a pandemic and he had

1370
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: all those like four fights in a row, and he was,

1371
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: you know, almost Fighter of the Year based on the

1372
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: fact that he was so busy and he was one

1373
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: of these fights. But after he's gotten beat, he seemed

1374
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: to have lost that that I want to fight everybody mindset.

1375
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: I remember introducing him to Israel Adisania and they almost

1376
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: get into a fight. This kid wanted to fight everybody,

1377
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 2: you know, and I don't see that anymore in him,

1378
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 2: So I want to see I'm wonderings does he still

1379
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: believe in himself the same way as he once did,

1380
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: because he's got all the talent in the world.

1381
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 4: For me, it's just a matter does he still.

1382
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 5: Believe I don't you know, I don't think he's it's weird.

1383
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 5: He's tried very hard to show he was one of

1384
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 5: the pandemic fighters that that really got attention because there

1385
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 5: was opportunity there and he took it.

1386
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 3: And he's like, I'll fight anybody at any time, and

1387
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 3: even him.

1388
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 5: You know, he even admits in the moment taking that

1389
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 5: that Hamsat fight last minute, like was at the best

1390
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 5: career move, you know what I mean to just sort

1391
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 5: of slide opponents like that and sliding in and face

1392
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 5: that guy. I think sometimes even style wise, sometimes you

1393
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 5: see him talking a lot, and we like that from

1394
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 5: an entertainment standpoint, but is that taking off the focus

1395
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 5: from how good he can be? The move down in

1396
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 5: Welterway did open my eyes because he.

1397
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: Is hugely important.

1398
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: He proved that the that the physical cut doesn't diminish him.

1399
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 5: So if he can keep up that gas tank and

1400
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 5: be in a in an exciting chain wrestler and wear

1401
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 5: people out, and we know he loves to throw hands

1402
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 5: in there, but I just feel like sometimes it's still

1403
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 5: he's on the seat of his pants. He's always ready

1404
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 5: for that next opportunity or a big moment. He likes

1405
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 5: to swing big, a little bit more calculation and care.

1406
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 5: It's in him to be a contender, to be to

1407
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 5: be absolutely.

1408
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: He's got pop, he's got interesting striking. He's a black

1409
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: belt in jiu jitsu under Travis Luterer, which is I'm

1410
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: sure very difficult to get. Like, he's got some things there.

1411
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: You could do something well.

1412
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 3: He doesn't panic in bad situations either, like he's.

1413
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: He doesn't panic. That's right. And again he's fought super tight.

1414
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: He knocked out Joaquin Buckley. Yeah, I mean, fucking a dude,

1415
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: that's hard to do, like, and he did it so

1416
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: so I think he's got some ability. Ponzinibio had a

1417
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: bit of a rough start since his return to the UFC,

1418
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: but I think has looked a little bit better of late.

1419
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: Should be a fun contest, but let's talk about the

1420
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: one you want to get to. L Rosas Junior. I

1421
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: gotta tell you here, Rashad, I am how do I

1422
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: say this. I'm not a skeptic of his upside, per se.

1423
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: I just don't love the fervor behind it. Everyone's like,

1424
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, his kid is amazing. He's gonna be

1425
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: champion one day, Look how awesome he is. I'm like, guys,

1426
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: he's fucking eighteen. You have no concept of whether he's

1427
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a champion or not. Certainly what I've seen

1428
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: on tape is good, but it doesn't at this stage

1429
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: indicate to me anything even a problem.

1430
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 5: To me, was different than the Dana White Consenter series

1431
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 5: close up, which it was like, you know, because we

1432
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 5: all have that fear.

1433
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 3: Is it too much? TUIs PVC Sage north Cut? Is

1434
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 3: it too much? He's better than He's better than them,

1435
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: He's a physical presence. But then his UFC debut pop.

1436
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you were just like he.

1437
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: Did not have that pop?

1438
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: No, it pop for me, I was. I was impressed

1439
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: the fact that you know, like I said, it's the poise,

1440
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: and I know what it's like to make that walk.

1441
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: When you make that walk and you got the lights

1442
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: and you got the fans, it's just different, you know,

1443
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: so you're overcoming a big part of yourself. And the

1444
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: poise that he had inside that cage that night, it

1445
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: really showed me that he's years ahead of his time.

1446
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 4: But how far right?

1447
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: And this big stage is going to really tell that

1448
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: because I mean, the more you climb and the more

1449
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: your challengers are better ranked, is going to get harder.

1450
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: It's going to get a lot harder. And how does

1451
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: he handle that? Is he still poison there.

1452
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: You here's the thing for me, Rashad. I'm not saying

1453
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: he won't be champion. That's not what I'm declaring. Nor

1454
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: am I declaring that he will be champion. What I'm

1455
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: declaring is it's way way too early to know. And

1456
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: here's how I know this. At eighteen, Yeah, he's starting

1457
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: to get a little bit of that man's strength and

1458
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: he's starting to feel himself, and he's quite obviously talented.

1459
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: Please make no mistake about this. But if he has

1460
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: an injury from a camp and he goes into a

1461
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: fight and he takes a fucking beating at nineteen or

1462
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: twenty years old, and it messes with him a little bit,

1463
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: and now it impacts his development, it gets everything off track.

1464
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: Your development in this game is that it has to

1465
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: be done correctly if you go to the Ultimate Fighting

1466
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: Championship at age eighteen. And by the way, obviously he's

1467
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: Mexican American. He speaks Spanish, so he can do media

1468
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: in two languages. They're already public charismatic and he's charismatic. No,

1469
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: he's a great kid. There's nothing wrong with the kid.

1470
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to get people to understand what I

1471
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: feel Rashad is that dude, if you make a mistake

1472
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: on his development when he's already in the UFC, the

1473
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: consequences of that can be catastrophic. It can they'll derail

1474
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: him badly. So my thought is, let's see what he's got,

1475
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: but let's take our time with this kid. That's all

1476
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1477
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 4: I one hundred percent agree.

1478
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: And the thing is when you go in there and

1479
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 2: you have these fights that you're speaking about, where you

1480
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 2: get the breaks beat off you, right, it's traumatizing, and

1481
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: that trauma sticks with you for a while because you

1482
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: know what's on the other side of your having your

1483
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: hand raise. You know what a bad night feels like,

1484
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 2: whereas before you have that experience, you don't know, so

1485
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: you're fighting from a different place. Once you get beat up,

1486
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: it changes everything, it completely. And if once you get injured,

1487
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: that changes everything. And once you get success, that changes everything.

1488
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 2: So it's like all these different things at eighteen years

1489
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: old can be hard to manage, and especially if you're

1490
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: a kid who's not used to a lot of attention.

1491
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 2: Sure you know, maybe made front of called names and whatnot,

1492
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: and now you feel like you're in a power spot.

1493
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: He was just in high school.

1494
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 3: Yes he doesn't different tired.

1495
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: He seems he seems wired for better things. Yes don't.

1496
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 3: Okay, I should not get what's Christian. I think he's

1497
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 3: eight and one. Overall, he's one on one since making

1498
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 3: his UFC.

1499
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: This isn't rushing it. But here's here's the point I

1500
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: want to make about what Rashad was talking about. I

1501
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: don't have the thing in front of me. I'll look

1502
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: it up. But what I was saying is maybe it's

1503
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: not the competition, but maybe between Hey, you're now you

1504
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: could be a budding Latin American star for us. We

1505
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: need you to go fly and do this promotion. And

1506
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: he's a big star here and now the people he's

1507
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: changing or hanging out with has changed, and he's all anything,

1508
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: anything can derail you. But let's talk.

1509
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 5: Okay, but let's be honest because this is real talk

1510
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 5: like men do at the end the day. It's about entertainment,

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01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 5: which is fueled by business. So for the UFC, he's

1512
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 5: not of huge use to them if he ends up

1513
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 5: being a pretty decent average fighter. He's only of use

1514
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 5: to them if he has a chance at igniting the

1515
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 5: Mexican American market becoming this huge story because he's literally

1516
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 5: a teenager doing this and getting closer to threatening John

1517
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 5: Jones's record as the youngest champion.

1518
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 3: That's where the value is.

1519
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, but that's the UFC. Dude, I don't care

1520
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: about the value for about his life and get that.

1521
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 5: But what I'm multimately trying to say is if they

1522
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 5: put him in there with the top you know four

1523
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,919
Speaker 5: or five guy right now, yeah, that could be promotional malpractice.

1524
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 5: But short of that, he's willing right now to show

1525
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 5: that he's a star. They're willing to take that chance.

1526
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 5: So nothing's going to stop that, Luke. I mean, you know,

1527
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 5: I mean look at that, but you're right, look at

1528
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 5: Edwin Shabazian a couple of.

1529
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: Ris and and that's and that's good and that is

1530
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: a good person to bring because in Edmund, you know,

1531
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: I watched him have that that hype and then have

1532
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: that hype busted and then to see what comes out

1533
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: on the other side, and he had to have a

1534
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: whole restruction and process where he ended up leaving his

1535
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: old team and kind of had to find himself all

1536
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: over again. And that and that's the life of a fighter.

1537
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: That's a life of figuring things out.

1538
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 4: And it goes to your point, we don't know what

1539
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 4: can happen from eighteen to whenever.

1540
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Speaker 3: He was worried about that though.

1541
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Speaker 1: It is really what I'm saying, right, Yeah, well that's

1542
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't we don't have to do what the promoter

1543
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: wants here. So I remember the days of David Durell.

1544
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: Remember David Darrell knocks out Matt Linlan. Yeah, he's the

1545
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,479
Speaker 1: next big thing. And then he gets I think, who's

1546
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: that Evan Tanner whooped him up or somebody did, and

1547
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: he was never the same. He was never the same

1548
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: after that. So just be careful, is all I'm saying.

1549
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: All Right, that is it for us, ladies and gentlemen.

1550
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: I hope he got you ready for UFC two eighty seven.

1551
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 5: A couple other bangers by the way, Gasoline versus Chris Curtis,

1552
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 5: a couple of other banks.

1553
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: Great fight, great fight. I'm glad you brought it up.

1554
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: The entire prelium card is great. Also, don't forget after

1555
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: the fights come back here YouTube dot com Slash Morning Combat.

1556
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: I'll be doing the post fight show live as soon

1557
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: as UFC two eighty seven is over a we're shot.

1558
01:03:58,520 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: Great job today.

1559
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys. Me back. It's good to be

1560
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 4: back there. Can I get in the uh in the

1561
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 4: flow of things again.

1562
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna get them.

1563
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 4: Let me get some let me get something with our face. Yeah.

1564
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: So that's for Sean Evans, the Hall of Famer. That's

1565
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. I look Thomas. Thank you guys so much

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Speaker 1: for watching, and until next time, enjoy the fights.