1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. I think of every gig as a 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: special occasion, you know, and it's not just another show. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: It's like people have spent a lot of money to 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: get there, They've traveled maybe hours to be there. They 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: may not have seen me before, they may not have 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: seen me again. So it's every gig is special. 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: I'm buzznight and welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast. Now, 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: if you like this podcast, just like a couple of 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: our friends, Bill Griffin from Sallynn's Bakery and Conquered Mass 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: or Joevenudi from Bedford, Mass, then please share it with 11 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: your friends. 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 3: My guest on Taking a Walk today is a new wave. 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: Icon, Howard Jones. Many many big hits, new song what 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: is Love? Things can only get better Earl in the Shell. 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 2: He's releasing a new live album, Live at the O two, 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: and he's hitting the road, coming to a city near you. 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: An ABC and a. 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: Haircut one hundred on the bill, Welcoming, Oh Joe, Going 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: a Walk, Howard Jones, Thanks for being on Taking a Walk, 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: so appreciate it. Congrats on the live album Live at 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: the O two. Does your approach to music differ in 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: the studio versus performing live? 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: Well? I mean, they're two very, very very different things. Really, 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: I suppose you know, when you're when you're in the studio, 25 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm usually composing and trying to think of how to 26 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: make music that's going to excite people and move people, 27 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, because I know they'll be listening. And then 28 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: the gigs are a totally different experience where you're you know, 29 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: you're really trying to put out tons of energy from 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: the stage to get people really excited and really involved 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: and really give them like an exhilarating time and a 32 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: great experience and something to lift them lift their spirits. 33 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: You know, we live in a very difficult time for 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: the world, and music and art can really lift people's 35 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: spirits and it's just give them a bit more energy 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: to keep going and do great things. So it's two 37 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: very different things, and so I do. But when I'm 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: composing in the studio, I am thinking about what this 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: song will sound like live, you know, and how it 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: will work, and whether it's a good tempo for live, 41 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: whether it's got a good vibe. And yeah, so the 42 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: two things are definitely connected. But you know, in terms 43 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: of like your mental attitude is really really radically different 44 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: for both of them now. 45 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: Is to a special venue to you. 46 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's probably like the best venue in 47 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: the UK in my opinion. It's huge. I've been to 48 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: see many people there. And so this was the first 49 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: time we played it because my friend's OMD. It was 50 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: the first time they'd done the O two as well, 51 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: and so they wanted to invite me in special guests, 52 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, to join them. And it was a fantastic 53 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: So it's felt like a very special event, you know, 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: and the band was really psyched for playing, you know, 55 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: probably the biggest indoor venue that we've we've played, you 56 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: know since since back in the day. So so yeah, 57 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: it was it was a special moment. So I put 58 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: together a special set. I actually redid a few songs, 59 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: reintroduced some songs just for that show. And you know, 60 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: they had that special energy. So you know, we usually 61 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: record everything that we do, and when I listened back 62 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: to the multi tracks of it, it's like, for me, 63 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: it felt like it really captured the excitement of that 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: that night. So you know, I wanted to then mix 65 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: it and get it right and make an album of it. 66 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: It was a special event for me, so you know, 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: and I know a lot of the fans were there, 68 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: so they would have they would have heard it as well. Yeah, 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: so yeah, it was. It was. It was a moment really. 70 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: Well besides O two, what are some other venues you 71 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: particularly dig playing at, and maybe some of your other 72 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: favorite cities across the world as well. 73 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I mean, I really do enjoy any 74 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: kind of gig, and I enjoy like sometimes I've done 75 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: like tiny shows with you know, one hundred people where 76 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: people can hear and with an acoustic piano, and some 77 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: of I've done stuff of the tree. I don't know, 78 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: we play you know, big festival gigs and then big, 79 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, big venues. I mean every gig. I think 80 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: of every gig as a special occasion, you know, And 81 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: it's not just another show. It's like people have spent 82 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 1: a lot of money to get there, They've traveled maybe 83 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: hours to be there. They may not have seen me before, 84 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: they may not seen me again, So it's every gig 85 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: is special. So I don't really know how to how 86 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: to answer. I love I loved going to Tokyo because 87 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: I love Japan and I love playing gigs there, and 88 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: I love I obviously love touring the States because I 89 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: taught tour them the United States more than anywhere else 90 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: in the world. So I love going to you know, 91 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: San Francisco. I love playing in l A. Yeah, I 92 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: just I just you know, any gig is a great 93 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: gig if you decide to you know. So, so the 94 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: building is not the important thing. It's like, how do 95 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: you feel when you get out there on stage? And luckily, 96 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: you know, I have just the most amazing fans who 97 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: always bring their their best self with them to the 98 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: shows and we have a very great time. 99 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: So take me back, how old were you at your 100 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: first concert experience? Uh? 101 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: And who was that? And where was that? 102 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: Right? Okay, the first concert experience was was really quite 103 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: bizarre one. Really, it's very eclectic line up. I was 104 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: fourteen years old and my mass press persuade by dad 105 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: to take me to the to this show. And it 106 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: was in Ottawa in Canada because we were that's where 107 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: we were living at the time. The whole family and 108 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: the line it was the Who, the Trogs and the 109 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: nineteen ten Fruitcum Company. So I was like, it couldn't 110 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: have been more eclectic. But it was just fabulous. I mean, obviously, 111 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: you know nineteen ten Fruitcome company had just had this 112 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: massive hit called Yummy, Yummy, Yummy, I've got love in 113 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: my tummy. And then then you got the Who Who 114 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: smashed up their instruments at the end of the show. 115 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: So I was like, and then the trugs were just amazing, 116 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, dressed in these fabulous white suits with like 117 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: colored shoes. I remember they had green some of them 118 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: had green shoes. Had some of them had blue patent 119 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: leather shoes. And the Who was it was the loudest 120 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: thing that I'd ever heard in my life and the 121 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: most exciting thing. And they and they did you know, 122 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: that was the day when they were still smashing up 123 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: the gear, you know, at the end, and it was 124 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: like it was a real fantastic experience. And so those things, 125 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, you think, oh man, this is so exciting. 126 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: This is what I want to be involved in this, 127 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, I want to be involved in this world. 128 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: I love it. What a visual, what a bill. Thank 129 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: you so much for sharing that. I really appreciate it. 130 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: Can you share for our audience you as a great 131 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: piano player, who are some of your favorite pianists and 132 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: how did they impact you? 133 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, you know, I've been playing the pianist 134 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: since I was seven, so you know, it was it 135 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: was early on, I think, you know, I was still 136 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: at school when I first heard about The Nice, which 137 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: was Keith Emerson's band, and so Keith was always my 138 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: biggest influence as a keyboard player because he was classically 139 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: trained like me, and also he was a total rock 140 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: rocker and he made the keyboard the lead instrument in 141 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: the band. You know, he was like the sort of 142 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,559 Speaker 1: Jimi Hendrix of the keyboards. And I got to see 143 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: like their second gig ever at the Isle of Wight 144 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: Festival in nineteen seventy when he had the big Moog 145 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: Modular on stage. So right, that's my first experience of 146 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: synthesizers live, which was mind blowing. And then you know 147 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: the band with Greg Lake and Carl Palmer on drums. 148 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was an incredible thing. And 149 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, Keith was just thrusticking knives in the keyboard 150 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: and rolling around with a Hammond L one hundred on 151 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: top of him. It's like, wow, this is like, yeah, 152 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: I wanted this is what I want to do. I 153 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: want to do this. You know, It's a huge impression 154 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: on me, and it was the festival where that Hendrix 155 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: played as well, so I got to experience his amazing 156 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: persona and two weeks later, you know, he was gone, 157 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: he was dead. So Keith has always been been a 158 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: massive influence on me, you know, studying his records, learning 159 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: to play the parts, you know, his amazing keyboard parts, 160 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: and then you know, so there's that side of it. 161 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: And then the other huge influence on me was Stevie Wonder. 162 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: I was just a completely different style of playing, groove orientated. 163 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: He was really into sense as well, so it still 164 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: is and you know, always wanting to do something great, 165 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: new sounds and do things like that. So that was 166 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: a huge, huge influence on me. So I would say 167 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: those two were the two that really had the massive 168 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: impact on me. 169 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: So I've loved your music and so many forms, like 170 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: so many of the folks listening to this podcast, and 171 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: I love listening to your music and other music in 172 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: the headphones to really experience it in a different way. 173 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: What are some of your personal favorites that you listen 174 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: to when you've got some great headphones. 175 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, I'm I'm into I really love 176 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: this classical composer called Eric Whitaker who who composes for 177 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: voices primarily. I mean, he does other compositions, but I 178 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: really love listening to his his his vocal compositions. And 179 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: I was listening to an interview with him the other 180 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: day and he said that he he grew up listening 181 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: to Depeche Mode, and I thought, that's right. Really, I 182 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: didn't expect that at all, so he would have heard 183 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: my music as well, you know, he was hearing Depression Mode. 184 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: So so I just love. I love what he did 185 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: because I like working with voices and I like doing 186 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: vocal arrangements, and I've worked with choirs in my life, 187 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: and you know I have a Welsh heritage, so choie 188 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: mean a huge, huge amount to me. I really liked 189 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: the new Billie Eilish record as well. I mean, I 190 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: have to say I think it's absolutely exquisite. She's amazing 191 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: as a singer, but her brother as well, it's such 192 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: a talented producer. So I'm really listening to that at 193 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: the moment. And then the other artist I really love 194 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: is Jacob Collier and all the amazing things that he does. 195 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: He really is like a once, once of the generation 196 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: type of talent and also of jazz, funky side. I 197 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: really love it. Artists called Cory Wong who is an 198 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: amazing guitarist but Britan arranger and has an amazing live band. 199 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: So I would I would say those four of the 200 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: th that are really floating my boat at the moment. 201 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 3: How do you discover new music? 202 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: I have three grown up children and they are madly 203 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: into music, so they they introduced me to a lot 204 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: of stuff. And then I've got my my my collaborator, 205 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: Robbie Brunneman, who is always keeping up with the latest 206 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: electronic stuff and he recommends stuff to me and I, 207 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, I listen to Spotify, you know, I listen 208 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: to Apple Music, not so much the radio these days. 209 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: I just yeah, I kind of do my exploration in 210 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: the on the streaming services. 211 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 4: Really, we'll be right back with more of the Taking 212 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 4: a Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 213 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: So can you take us inside to if there is 214 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: a typical process that you have for writing a song. 215 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: Maybe it's different for every song, but do you start 216 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: with lyrics first or melody first, or what is your process? 217 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: My great friends who's passed away in there and produced 218 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: my first two records, Group Behind. He always said to me. 219 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: He said, don't write a song unless you've got something 220 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: to say, And I pondered on that a lot, and 221 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: I think he's absolutely right. So for me, a song 222 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: that's got to come from the point of view of 223 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: what you would like to express, how you want to 224 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: get over a thought you had, you know, a vision 225 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: that you've had, an experience that you've had that you 226 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: really feel people would benefit from hearing. So I usually 227 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: start with an idea of what the song is going 228 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: to be about. And then you know, I collect stuff 229 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: on my voice memos and my phone, ideas that you know, 230 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: I won't necessarily remember. So I have like a stack 231 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: of chord changes and riffs and stuff that I that 232 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: I keep on my phone, so I'll drag some of 233 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: those out and like evolve those into something. You know, 234 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm very much into chord interesting chord shapes and unexpected 235 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: turns and twists in a song, so I'm very bring 236 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: into that. And then, you know, if it's an electronic record, 237 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: and I'll be working on creating sounds that people won't 238 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: have heard before, you know, trying to you know, give 239 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: a new twist to things, and and then I will 240 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: then apply the lyrics and the and the I will 241 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: have already written the rhythm of the of the vocal line, 242 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: but it's at that point I will add the lyrics. 243 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: So that's the last thing. But it's the last thing 244 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: because it's the most important thing to me. So yeah, 245 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: that's usually my process of writing. But yeah, I don't 246 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: think I've ever started with a whole lyric written and 247 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: then set that towards I used to do that when 248 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: I was at school, when I had friends who wrote 249 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: poetry and they asked me to compose something around the poetry. 250 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: Did then, But that's not the way I work. I always, 251 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, I always the lyrics are the last thing 252 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: to go on. 253 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: If you ever get stuck with a block, writer's block, 254 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: creator block, what's your method to break that? I mean, 255 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: do you go take an actual walk around the block? 256 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: I mean, how do you sort of break a block? 257 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, sometimes you get stuck with 258 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: writing that you you're not quite sure that what you've 259 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: done is good, and you just need to, as you say, 260 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: get out of the studio, get out of the room 261 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: and go and play with the dog, you know, outside, 262 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: go for a walk, do something completely different, and then 263 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: come back to it and go have a little bit 264 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: more perspective, because it's always, you know, writing composing something. 265 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: It's always about constantly critiquing your own work and going, oh, 266 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: that's not good, this is good, I like this, I 267 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: don't like this, And you're constantly having to make decisions 268 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: and sometimes if you get a bit tired and wore down, 269 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: you could make the wrong one, you know. So I 270 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: always say that it's very important to wake up the 271 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: morning after you've written something and for it's still to 272 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: be resonating around in your head. And if it's not, 273 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: you probably haven't got anything that's really good and we're 274 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: worth keeping. So that's my test. Am I still singing 275 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: it the next morning in my head? And if I am, 276 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: then I will I'll continue with that. I won't ditch 277 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: the idea. You know. 278 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: We've had a few guests on who were part of 279 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: Live Aid the Philadelphia side of the Live Aid performance. 280 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: John Oates from Hall and Oates and we also had 281 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 2: Tom Bailey from Thompson Twins talking about their experience in 282 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: Philly Live Aid. 283 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 3: What was your memory of the Live Aid performance at Wembley. 284 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: And well, I mean it is an extraordinary was an 285 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: extraordinary thing to be involved in, the most extraordinary thing, really, 286 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest gig that anybody will ever do, 287 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: because it was a billion people, I don't know, two 288 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: billion people watching on TV around the world. Was a 289 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: global event, so that in itself sets it apart from 290 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: any other experience you're ever going to have. It was 291 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: for such a brilliant cause and that's why absolutely thought 292 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: to be part of it. I really wanted to be 293 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: part of that, you know, And to me, it was 294 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: like the best thing that happened in culture during the eighties. 295 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I canceled shows on the West coast 296 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: of these states with my band to be there, and 297 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 1: I flew in with my backing singers, Aprodisiac, and we 298 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: flew in on a helicopter with the members of Queen, 299 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, Brian May and Roger Deacon and yeah, it was, 300 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: it was. It was just amazing from start to winis 301 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: I spent half an hour talking with Paul McCartney and 302 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: Linda McCartney, and Linda took a picture of me and Paul, 303 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: which is one of my most prized possessions, and then 304 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: came to the to the show, and you know, I 305 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: was going to because the band and everything only equipment 306 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: was on the other side of the planet. So I 307 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: decided to do it, you know, as a piano performance. 308 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: And I don't think people knew that I even played 309 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: the piano. They thought I was the synth guy, you know, 310 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: the synth pop guy. But obviously I've been playing since 311 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: I was seven, so it was really like walking and 312 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: breathing to me. So I chose to play some got 313 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: Hide and Seek because I thought that was the most 314 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: appropriate song for the occasion. It wasn't the biggest hit, 315 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: you know, or anything like that, but it was the 316 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 1: song that was about hope and it was and I 317 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: thought that was the most important message to put out 318 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: that day from me, and started the song, you know, 319 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: verse a little quick, a little. I was so nervous 320 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: because I was one hundred thousand people in Wembley, but 321 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: let alone all the cameras and stuff. So I got 322 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: to the chorus and then the whole audience joined in 323 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: with me and it was like, oh my god, that 324 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: the feeling was the buzz was unbelievable. It was like 325 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: they were sort of lifting lifting me up, and you know, 326 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: they were, they were really with me on that stage 327 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: and it was such a wonderful feeling and something I'll 328 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, never never forget. And I felt so grateful 329 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: to be there. I mean, there's so many experiences I 330 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: had that day. I met David Bowie and chatting with him, 331 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: and you know, it was just endless, endless. You know, 332 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: could write a whole book about that day. But yeah, 333 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: but it was something very proud of and glad that 334 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: I was there, and glad that I chose to do 335 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: that song. 336 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 3: So what are the biggest challenges that you faced in 337 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: your career? 338 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: Hmmm, Well, I mean that the hardest thing at the 339 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: beginning was actually getting a record deal, because in those days, 340 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: that was the only way to get your music out there. 341 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: It's very different now you can get your music out 342 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: like instantly, but in those days, there was there was 343 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: a there were gatekeepers, you know, you and it was 344 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: the record companies and the publishers. And I got turned 345 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: down by every publisher and every record company, and you know, 346 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: partly because I was doing something I think completely original, 347 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: was the one man electronic band. You know, I've been 348 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: doing it for two or three years. I developed it 349 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: into a thing, and and I think they thought well, 350 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: and obviously I had a dance one stage as well 351 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: Jed Hoyle, who was amazing. So there's a little bit 352 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: out of their comfort zone in terms of they couldn't 353 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: compare you to anyone else, right, So but I there 354 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: was one guy from Stiff Records that actually got it, 355 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: a guy called Paul Conroy, and he got poached and 356 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: ended up going to Warner Brothers and wanted to take 357 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: me with them. So so that was a very exciting 358 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: thing because I ended up on the one of the 359 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: you know, one of the best labels in the world, 360 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: and within a team of people who totally believed in me. 361 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: But that was the hard thing. It was getting through 362 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: that door right at the beginning. And I think that 363 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: once I was there, I was going to fight to 364 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: stay to stay there, you know, I was. I was 365 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: not going to give this up easily. And I think 366 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: that's that's basically what it is. And you know, I'd 367 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: learned that it's always down to you. You've got to 368 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: drive things. You've got to drive the agenda. You've got 369 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: to you've got to infuse people around you. You've got 370 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: to you know, be the person who ignites people's energy 371 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: and and you know, and desire to help because you 372 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: you know what you do because I I can do 373 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: the music, but I can't do all the other stuff. 374 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: So you need great people around you to to to 375 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: keep it all going. And but it's your job to 376 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: make sure you have great people around you and that 377 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: you look after them and that you appreciate what they're doing. So, 378 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think because it was so hard to 379 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: get a record deal, I was very attentive to the 380 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: fact that I'm not going to let this go. 381 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: So if there's some new artists or you know, up 382 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: and coming artists that are listening to this podcast, what 383 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 2: advice would you give them? 384 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I always say, you know, because circumstances 385 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: are always changing within our music industry. You know, when 386 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: I first put my records out, it was on cassettes 387 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: and vinyl and CDs are just coming out, and look 388 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: where we are now, you know, I mean, it's a 389 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: totally different world. So it's it's almost like patronizing to 390 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: say to young people, oh, well, this is what I 391 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: did when I was when I was started starting out. 392 00:23:55,080 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: So but what what I do say was is whatever 393 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: it is you you love doing. You know, if you 394 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: love doing music, then you can't sit around and wait 395 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: for it to happen. You have to make it happen yourself. 396 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: So if you want to perform, then perform in any 397 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: way you possibly can. So go around to your friend's 398 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: house and with your guitar or your keyboard or whatever 399 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: it is, and perform in their living room to them, 400 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: or your friends or your family, or you know, do 401 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: a little pig in the local towel hall or or whatever. 402 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: But do what you would love to do and see 403 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: if you still love it and find out if that's 404 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: really what floats your boat, right, And because it's got 405 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: to do that, because if you're going to make it 406 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: a success of it, you have to be happy with 407 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: just doing it to one or two people somewhere, you know, 408 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: forget that playing stadiums and huge venues and you know, festivals. 409 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: Do you enjoy it at its most basic level? And 410 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: if you do, and if you love that and you 411 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: can't live without doing that, then then it's going to work. 412 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: It's going to work and the doors will open for you. 413 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: But if you don't have that, then maybe there's something 414 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: else that is is going to be more exciting for you. 415 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: Tell me how excited you are to be hitting the 416 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 2: road with the ABC and Haircut one hundred. This is 417 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: going to be truly a feel great experience for everybody 418 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: who goes to it. 419 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 3: How do you feel about all this? 420 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I mean, you know, I always like to 421 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: create a curates a great lineup so that people being 422 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: really excited to come to the for the first minute 423 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: of the show to the last, you know, So I 424 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: think this is a I'm so excited just to hear 425 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: Haircut and Martin Martin Fry every night. I mean, that's 426 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: it's just going to be such a great night. I 427 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: love touring anyway, I mean I love I love what 428 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: I do. I'm so fortunate to be doing what what 429 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: I absolutely love. So yeah, I mean it's going to 430 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: be a very cool show. And you know, people, well, 431 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's so so well that we've had 432 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: to add extra dates all over the place, and so 433 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: that's very exciting as well. So we know that when 434 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: we get there, people are really, you know, really up 435 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: for it. So yeah, very excited. It's going to be 436 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: a fabulous end of the summer thing. 437 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: And as you said earlier, I mean we all need 438 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: to be lifted up during difficult times, right. 439 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really feel that's the function of of of 440 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: music and art, you know, is to is to just 441 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: reinvigorate people because it's tough. It's tough being the human 442 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: being at the moment. Maybe it always has but it's 443 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: particularly bad at the moment. So you know, we need 444 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: that extra energy and shows can be really you know, 445 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: walk out the show, you know, feeling a little bit 446 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: more energized about what we can do to change things. 447 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: But you also, I do believe believe in the power 448 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 2: of sending good vibes in everybody's way, right, your your 449 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: Buddhist teachings send out great emotion, right, Yeah, Well you. 450 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: Know, I. 451 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: You know, I've got my Buddi's practice. I've been practicing 452 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: for thirty years now, and so I practice every day, 453 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: and it is to be you know, wanting to start 454 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: with you know, start with myself. If I want to 455 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: change the world, I got to start with myself and 456 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: change the way that I view things and the way 457 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: I treat people and the way I conduct myself. So 458 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: that needs constant effort, and that's why I have a practice. 459 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: You know, each ant amorenge kio, and you think about 460 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: improving yourself and for the sake of your own life, 461 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: but also for the lives of all the other people 462 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: around you and anybody you have contact with. So you know, 463 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: the music is an extension of that. You know, want 464 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: to go out. I want to I want people to 465 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: feel uplifted and to be feel more confident about how 466 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: great they are and you know, and to do something 467 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: that contributes to society and contributes to their family and 468 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: their friends and the world. And you know, it starts 469 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: with us. So I was trying to get that over 470 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: in what I do. 471 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Howard, And closing, what are you still desiring to learn, 472 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: either as a person or as an artist or both? 473 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's I think it's just it's always 474 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: like the journey of becoming better at everything. Like you know, 475 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: today I was, I was doing my vocal training exercises 476 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: and I was on my bike getting fit for the 477 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: for the tour. I you know, it's like, you know, 478 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: taking it all seriously, getting better at at writing, getting 479 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: better at expressing oneself, getting better at treating people well, 480 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: and having a great feeling of a team around you 481 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: that you look people you look after and make sure 482 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: they're happy. And you know, it's it's all those things, 483 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: and it's and it's like it's it's a cliche, I 484 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: suppose a bit, but it's the journey of doing that. 485 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: The results take care of themselves, you know. But if 486 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: you if you have a great determination on the way, 487 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, then then then life can be very fulfilling. 488 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: I would like to have a fulfilling life. 489 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: Thanks Howard Jones, good luck on the tour with ABC 490 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: and Haircut one hundred coming to a city near you. 491 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 3: And congrats it live at the two as well. 492 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: Okay, thank you so much, buzz it's great. 493 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Taking a Walk podcast with 494 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: Howard Jones. Leave us a review at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, 495 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your podcast. 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