WEBVTT - #350 - Al Harrington 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.960 What up dies your boy Al Harrington and check me 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:06.280 out on the Bootleg cav podcast Talking Everything by Yola 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:07.640 who check us. 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:15.880 Out Boulet CAV Show Special guests in here, NBA legend 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.840 grew up watching this guy. Al Harrington is here, bab 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.120 hey man, good to see you, bro, Thanks for having 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.360 me Dougs the Cannabis. I would like to we're just 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.560 telling you off camera, but you're like one of the 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.000 og guys who really got into the weed game, and 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.279 like did it the right way. You just celebrated ten 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:39.040 years almost two years ago. Now that's crazy, yeah, bro, So, 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.760 I mean we've seen a lot of celebrities come and 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.839 go in the weed space, right, Like I was just 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:46.479 thinking about this the other day, Like me and my 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:48.560 boy were talking about like jay Z's weed. We're like, 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:49.239 what happened to that? 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:49.680 Right? 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.360 What happened to jay Z's weed? Like it was an announcement, 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.480 it was this big deal and then it just went away, right, 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.320 you know what I mean? But like, I feel like 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.440 you've done such a great job of just like diving 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.760 in obviously see being a smoker, coming from the background 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.120 you come from, like for you, Like, how does it 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:10.600 feel to kind of look back, you have a as 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.120 Your WE'D career almost matched your NBA career. 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.360 Almost, bro almost. I'm at I'm at twelve in the 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:19.280 week game and I played sixteen. Wow, so I'm getting close. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.600 But I think the first thing is like, I never 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.319 considered my brand a celebrity brand, right, you know what? 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:25.959 I So that's what's crazy is you kind of did 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:27.480 do a little diving in to be like, oh, our 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:28.360 hiringtens behind it. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.600 It was never led. That was never the intention, right right. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.119 The attention was always about my grandmother and really about 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.720 just you know, the benefits and changing the stigma around. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.480 Your grandma's name. My grandmother's Okay, so that makes sense, okay. 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the story goes pretty much. I 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.520 had she had come to see me play. She was, 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:48.840 you know, taking all this medication. Ask so why. She 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:50.480 gave me a list of things. One of the things 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.400 she said was glaucoma. I told her about an article 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.160 I was reading literally two days before she got there, 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:59.480 about how cannabis cured glacoma patients. She asked me, what's cannabis? 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:01.800 I said, maryl want to weed. She laughed so hard, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:03.560 she was like, reefa you're trying to give me to 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.960 smoke brief And I was like, well grandma, they said doctors. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.200 She's like no. The next day she comes I come 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.400 home from shooting around and she's complaining, saying how she 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:14.560 can't see. So I said, look, just try. This would 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.240 be our secret. I won't tell nobody this, me and you, 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:18.600 just you and me. You know, I was saying, I 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.120 have my boy go to dispensary, bought some Vietnam cush 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.040 was the strain that we brought back, had her try it. 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:25.320 I took her downstairs. 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:26.960 Where were you playing at the time, I. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.240 Was playing in Denver, going you know what I'm saying. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.359 So I took her downstairs. I went to my nap 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.119 A hour and a half later. I had smoked weed 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.639 at one time in my life and it was in Phoenix, 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.160 and I was so paranoid that night. I was like, 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.919 I never smoked weed again. That ass so like, fuck weed. 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:43.880 I don't know why y'all smoke this shit type thing. 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:45.639 So I said, to make sure she's not going down 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.919 to you know, she's not dealing with the same thing. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.280 I go downstairs, knock on the door. I don't hear nothing, 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:51.720 so I'm like, well, she must be knocked out, so 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.040 I knock again, and I just opened the door. But 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:55.680 when I opened the door, she's sitting at the edge 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.359 of the bed and her back to the door. She's 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.720 looking down. So I said, Grandma, how you feeling? And 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.440 she she turns around and she's crying to She says, 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.119 I'm healed. She said, you know, I haven't been able 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:05.639 to read the words of my Bible went over three 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:06.440 and a half years. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:06.959 Wow. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.280 So I was like what she was like, everything is 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.120 so bright, Like God gave me my sight back. So 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.919 that's what inspired me to learn about cannabis and pretty much, 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.320 you know, eight months later, I made my first investment. 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.800 I bought a building in Colorado, and I started growing 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:22.840 as a caregiver. So all the patients that I had 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.079 either had like HIV or cancer, and whatever was left 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.400 over that we didn't give to them, we sold to dispensaries. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:28.720 Wow. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:30.959 And that's how I got started, you know what I'm saying. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.160 So it's always been about amazing, It's always been about her. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.520 It's always been about the power of the plant for me, 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.520 you know what I'm saying. Not you know, I still 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.120 to this day haven't put anything with my image on it, 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.800 my name on it for sure. For sure, it's all 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.160 been about the plant. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:45.400 You know. 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.840 Yeah, it's crazy. I didn't. So what are the benefits 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.720 of like someone has HIV of cannabis, Because I'm. 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.560 Just saying it helps with like pain, appetite, you know 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.200 what I'm saying, because they deal with a lot of 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.120 appet for you. Sure what I'm saying. Define the appetite 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.800 is one of the biggest things. You know what I'm saying. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.200 Yo, it's crazy. Tell me. Okay, so you get high 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.280 in Phoenix because that's where I'm you. Guys played the 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:05.000 Suns that night. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:06.720 So this is the reason, this is the reason why 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.880 I got hogh bro. So I'm playing for Golden State. 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:10.280 Okay. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.200 So the year before we had just were we believed team. Yeah, 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.600 we had knocked off Dallas, Right, So the next year 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.720 we come back better. We think, we really think we're 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.240 gonna win a championship that year, right. So things that 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.000 happened during throughout that season, like we had an opportunity 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.080 to trade for Kevin Garnett, right, and they did not 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:31.480 fucking make it. Katie the kid, Brandon fucking the kid 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.520 that we drafted from North Carolina. They went like a 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.960 draft pick. They weren't like young players, right, So it 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.080 was gonna trade all these players for him. They were 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:39.480 nagging the trade we ended. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:40.520 Up, but the Warriors said no. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.359 The Warrior said no, Bro, So we ended up bringing 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.680 in Chris Webber. Okay, so Chris Webber comes in. But 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.520 you know, at this point, Chris was a shell of himself. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:49.480 Ship shout out to the o G. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.320 The injuries really cooked him at the end, Bro. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.600 He ends up playing like twelve games for us, right, 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.480 and out of those twelve games, we ended up winning 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.920 like four out of four out of the twelve games. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.240 So come down to the end of the season, we 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.120 need to win all the games to make the playoffs, right, 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.880 So we last game of the season, we all we 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:09.320 had to do was beat Phoenix. We knew we was 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.960 gonna beat Phoenix because we had Monte Ellis who used 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.760 to he averaged forty, but he averaged forty on Steve Nash. 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.120 It was literally like give him the ball and let 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:21.440 him bust Steve Nash the greatest. Like literally, that's how 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.880 we beat them every game that year. Just gave Monte 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.360 the ball, let him So we knew we were gonna win, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.440 you know what I'm saying. But we needed the Clippers 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:30.520 to beat Denver. 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.080 Oh so you you even if you won, you didn't 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:34.400 control your destiny. 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.159 Right, we just need But the night before though, we 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.760 still so the night before the game, we need Denver. 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.680 Excuse me, we need the Clippers to beat Denver. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.560 And this isn't good Clippers. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:46.400 This is not good Clippers. So obviously they lose. So 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.320 now our season's over. Even if we win the game, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.279 it doesn't matter, right, So everybody's frustrated. You know, we 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.960 thinking we're gonna build off of last year and you know, 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:55.800 bearing well, you know, we got a good team, you 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.159 know what I'm saying. And everybody they just start smoking. 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.120 So they like, So I'm sitting in there and I'm 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.360 having a drink. They're like, bro, you gotta smoke, dog, Like, 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.279 come on, the season over, Bro, it's over. Like smoke. Yeah, 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.240 So I smoke or whatever, And like I said, like 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:13.120 thirty forty five minutes later, Bro, I'm like, and I'm like, 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:14.080 I'm gonna go to my room. 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.320 Yeah. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.040 And I went to the room. Bro, I just felt 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:19.599 like the room was closing the end of me. I 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.440 felt like I was here at Sirens. I was just 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.240 bugget you know what I'm saying. I didn't even go 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:24.800 out that night like we go we know, we go 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:26.359 out everywhere. I don't even go out. I was like, 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.800 I'm done. Just so that was my first experienced smoking weed, 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:31.760 you know what I'm saying. So I was like, I'm cool. 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.320 And obviously you know that was weed from the bay, 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.400 so you know it was something some real real It 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.200 was some you know what I'm saying, not for somebody's 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:39.919 first time, for sure what I'm saying. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.640 So it just melted your face off and turned you. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.080 Oh I was finished? 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.360 So you do you smoke now? I smoke every day. 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.440 Oh good, I'm at right now to you. Yeah, bro, 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:53.160 it's kind of crazy too because like did you see 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.440 this recent clip of Patrick Beverly saying less than half 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:01.240 of the league or no more than half of the 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.880 league doesn't enjoy playing basketball. They're just in it for 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:09.240 the money essentially, right, do you like? I feel like 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.840 with like your era, it wasn't that way. I don't know, 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:14.560 like And also do you like did you see did 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:15.160 you see the clips? 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:15.760 I saw it? I saw it. 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:16.560 What do you think about that? 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.040 I think he. I mean when you kind of look 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.040 at what's going on, you kind of believe it, right 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.800 for sure. I say that is just because the fact 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.040 that they take all these rest days, just like you know, 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.760 like to your point, our era, bro, like every game 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.720 meant something right, every fucking game and something right. You 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.080 understand what I'm saying, Like our mindsets was like every 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:40.120 game determined, playoff, seating, all kind of stuff, right, what 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.440 kind of contract you might get, Like now guys get 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.440 paid when they hurt. They get guys that play, you know, 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.320 thirty forty percent of the games over three years spin against. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.440 Super still get the super max, you know what, Like 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:52.760 shout out the ion eating. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.440 And listen, he's a great player. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.160 When he's playing. He's like the most he might I 0:07:58.160 --> 0:07:59.960 think offensive. He's the most efficient play in the NBA 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.200 when he's healthy. I think two years ago he was 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:03.080 the most efficient. 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:06.040 Well in China. Shot broken't garden guys like guys literally 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:07.080 won't play on the game. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.360 Said people will have like literally you've been in the 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:10.960 league for four years and you played thirty or forty 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.400 percent of your games and they maxed you out, Like. 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.920 So now to that point, it's like how do you 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.280 love the game? You know what I'm saying, Like you 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.160 like you off your rookie contract. You just made two 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.360 hundred million dollars, Like what do I care about the 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.320 rest of my career? You know what I'm saying. It 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.480 takes special players that are thinking about legacy and thinking 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.920 about chasing records. You understand what I'm saying that I 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.240 think that will show through and those will be the 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.240 guys that will like enjoy throughout the rest of their careers, 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.240 especially as being like true hoop fans. You know what 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.360 I'm saying. But I definitely agree with him. Man, I 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.600 think that these guys are more and nemor with the 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.079 lifestyle over the game. Right, Like I said, like back, 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:46.920 I was give you one more example, like when I 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.360 was coming up, like you couldn't get hurt, bro, because 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:50.760 you had like a guy behind you. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.480 That was like what they just needed that. 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.280 So like if I rolled my ankle, but I got 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.800 like Jonathan Bender who hasn't played in ten games, but 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.240 he killing in practice every day. He just I gotta 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.520 play on a bum ankle, bro, you know what I'm saying. 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.320 But Jonathan Benue, Yeah, Like so it's just changed now 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.240 was like you go out, you sit for two months, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.320 you come right back your spot right there. Don't matter 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.000 what the person was doing in front of you, they'll 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.840 trade him first. Oh you know what I'm saying. So 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.920 I have to agree with him, Bro, I think he 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.400 might be right about that. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.120 Yeah, And I think too, because, like I have two 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.040 kids that both like play, they love basketball, you know, 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.800 but there's so much that there's something to be said about, 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.960 like the AAU shit, and then also like TikTok and 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.480 Instagram making a lot of these like sixteen seventeen year 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:38.040 old kids super famous and rich and rich before they 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.400 even get to the NBA. So they're like when I 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:44.319 watch the draft sometimes and I see like dudes I 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:50.400 see as fuck like grabbing their hat. I'm like, bro, hot, 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.920 Like what's up with all this jewelry? Like shout out 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:54.760 to Scoot Henderson, who I heard is absolute hooper. I 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:56.679 heard is gonna be a I heard he's got a 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.520 generational talent. I heard he's amazing, like and I heard 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.679 he's got the right mind state. But he was so 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.880 iced down the whole family. I was just like, what's 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.000 the like, g Like, bro. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.800 He's been making money for two years because he was 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.320 he went to the JIT overtime thing. But you know, 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:14.760 once he did that, he knew he was never going 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.240 to college, so now he could do all kinds of deals. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.520 You say, he had KUMA ads before he even got 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.839 you understand what I'm saying. Like, so to your point, 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.559 because of this name, image and likeness thing, which really 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.920 means now it's legal. That's what they really should stand for. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.000 You know what I'm saying, These kids are gain access 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.600 to money. And I mean even like the kid Mikey Williams, Like, 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:33.840 for sure, from what I've heard, he's not even an 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.000 NBA talent, that's what I heard. I never seen him play, 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:37.240 and you know whatever, I think. 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.560 I met him at ATACA when he was like fifteen. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:46.880 Bro, he's made already made like fifteen million dollars. 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:46.719 And you know, shout out to him. I know he's 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.680 dealing with whatever he's dealing with. But you see something 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.120 like that and you're like, the Internet is the component 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.240 that might have fucked this kid's career up. Yeah, they're 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.120 like too much fame, too early, too. 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.800 Much fame too early, And that's what you know, and 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:01.680 obviously that's where all of this shit is that's what 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.040 media does, right. He kneels you up to tear you down, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.240 you know what I'm saying. So even that perspective of 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:12.679 just like you know, TikTok Instagram, like it's making kids 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:14.480 famous that aren't even that good. It's just it. 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.600 That's what you know. What I really enjoyed was I 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.440 just watched all the smokes podcasts this morning. I threw 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.240 on they had an episode of Austin Reeves drop and 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.360 to see, like his perspective, he purposely didn't want to 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:29.800 get drafted. He said that the Detroit Pistons wanted to 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.280 draft him at forty two, right, but him and his 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.480 team had a tier of teams that he could fit in, right, 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.959 And he said, well, once we fall past this number 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:39.880 in the second round, it's going to be a two 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:41.040 way contract no matter what. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:41.480 Right. 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.920 So when they wanted to draft him, his agent called 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.360 him and said, well, okay, we have a plan. We 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.960 want to go undrafted. So he decided he bet on himself, right, 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.400 because he knew the Lakers had interest, and he said 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:54.920 there was two teams that they had as the one 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:56.920 tier that he could fit in and like really thriving 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.320 them as the Bucks and the Lakers, So he really 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.400 liked bet on him self and like. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.439 But that's smart. I mean second round picks a lot 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.280 of times, and it's too. I don't fully understand the 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.480 two way contract thing because I wasn't in when that 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.920 was right what I'm saying, But when I was in 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.600 a second round pick, you only got one never really 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.120 none of these were guarantee, but. 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:17.440 Like, there's no guarantee. 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.400 It was really like two years my era, it was 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.920 really like a two year guarantee. But you think about it, 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.280 if you got a two year guarantee. I was a 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.280 first round pick. I had four years guaranteed, so it 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.240 took me two more years before I could get to 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.760 some money. Right, So if you're good in your first 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.640 your first year or two, you'll beat out the guy 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.760 that was the first round pick, you know what I'm saying, 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.840 because you'll get you'll get to a contract faster if 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:39.600 you bet on yourself. 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.880 To your point, sometimes, like when you see certain guys 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.360 because I look I looked at like, uh, because I've 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.320 been watching a lot of your older interviews and stuff, 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.200 and I obviously watched you play. I always thought you 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.760 were like I would say, like you were like one 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.600 of those guys who like would play the suns or 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.440 play like a like a team and you just like 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.440 be on sports. You're like, yo, fucking out here anything 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.600 like forty two tonight, Like you were you, you had 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.200 like fucking you were a bucket getter, bro, and uh 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:10.520 the pay structure now, oh well, you see, Like I 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.600 think of a guy like Jeremy Grant and the deal 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.840 he just got. And Jeremy Grant's a good NBA player, 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:17.200 but you know he's not an All star, you know, 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.400 But I think of Jeremy Grant, I'm like, I think 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.480 he signed for a buck eighty, maybe a buck sixty 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.000 something like that. God bless him, God bless him. Shout 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:25.760 out to you get that money. But I'm like, yo, 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.400 you're the kind of guy who in twenty twenty three 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:29.800 could have got like a buck eighty. 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.320 Oh my god, hands down, bro, Like to your point, like, god, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.040 just average twelve thirteen points? 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:36.680 What's happen? It's insane. 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.960 They got to spend the money? Is the TV? All 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.920 the TV all the media stuff is like taking off crazy, 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.640 you see, Like I think Tatum will be the first 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.080 guy that's going to get I think my Jaylen Brown 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:48.640 Jaylen Brown. 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:48.959 It's Brown. 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.640 He about to get seventy million years Jaylen Brown, I 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.920 think get seventy million a year. That's crazy, you know 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:55.520 what I'm saying. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.560 So even like when Dame signed that deal and they 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.120 were like I was like, wait the fifth or sixty 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:00.400 what them? Fuck? 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.200 So now like to your point, like now, just being 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.120 like the tenth best player on your team, bro, you 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.959 get you guaranteed ten to fifteen million dollars, you know 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.520 what I'm saying. So the game has changed a lot now. 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:14.880 I gotta I gotta pour everything I got into my 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.439 son's I got two little boys, seven and five. Like, hey, god, 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.960 I hope we get some of that money. 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.520 If one do you make it. We're chilling. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:25.280 We're chilling. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:29.600 One man. It's crazy too, because like what I appreciated 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.240 about you is like you really loved playing the game. 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.120 And when I look at like your career, obviously you 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.320 had a very successful NBA career, but at a certain 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.400 point in time you even like went and played in China, 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:41.240 right right. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:42.080 So that was at the end. 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:43.800 So yeah, but I'm saying, like, you don't go and 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:45.360 play a China at the end unless you just love 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:45.760 the hoop. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.320 Yeah, I love a game. That's what, Like to your point, Like, 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.440 as I was coming up, that's all I could think 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.160 about was Basketballight you know what I'm saying, Like if 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:55.800 somebody told me to shut up and Joebil might have 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.040 listened at that point, I'm saying what I'm saying, Like, 0:14:58.160 --> 0:14:59.880 I mean, that's how much I love a game. Everything 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.800 that I did was around trying to get better, trying 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.640 to feel better. So that's why I like, you know, 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.480 a lot of my teammates and a lot of my 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.920 older friends, like anytime there's like any type of new 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.800 technology of a surgery or a diet, they always hit 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.320 me up because they know I've tried, like everything I've 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:17.920 always I just wanted to play better. I just wanted 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.600 to be better. I wanted to feel better. I want 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:20.920 to you know, I just want to be the best 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.120 that I could be at all times. And you know 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:24.800 when I got towards the end, you know, I had 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.160 a batch knee surgery and I had got a staff 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.880 infection from the surgery. Didn't know I had it ended 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.160 up getting my bloodstream, you know, could have died from it. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.160 You know, I had to stay in the hospital. Pick line, 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.040 the whole shit, and you know, it ate away all 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.600 the articulating cartilage in my knees. So what that is 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.640 is pretty much like what protects the bone. And you 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.280 know I'm bone on bone, so I actually need a 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:48.480 knee replacement. I've been able to avoid a knee replacement 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.920 because of cannabis. You know what I'm saying. I've been able. 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:51.360 That's why I. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.640 Smell a lot of helps with all the information and pain. 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.200 So you know, I've been able to have an unbelievable 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.080 quality of life retire. But when the China the opportunity came, 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.560 it was because of Stephan Marbury, who was who was. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.440 Like a god there. Yeah, people don't understand, like a 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.760 lot of people. By the way, go watch this documentary. 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:09.240 I bought it. 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.400 Stephan Marber is one of my favorite NBA players ever. 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.200 When I was a kid, I was cold blessed when 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.560 the Sun's traded for him. I was very excited. But yeah, 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:19.720 in China, he was I think they have a statue he. 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.080 Got a statue of in Beijing of all places, you 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:23.920 know what I'm saying. And you know he called me 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.680 and he was like, are you done? And I was like, nah, 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:28.520 I'm not done. Man, I'm waiting on a couple of teams. 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.160 You know, Houston. Maybe you know James Harden was trying 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.080 to get me to Houston and different things like, but 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.560 he had Mike dan Phony as his coach, so that 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.440 wasn't going to happen. But uh so it shots fired 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.480 for sure. But uh he he called me and he 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.400 was like, yo, I got a couple of teams over here. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:45.440 You know what I'm saying. So he gave me a 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.840 list of teams and I was like, what is it. 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.880 He was like, The one I picked was Fujin, the 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.640 fujiin Sturgeons. And the reason why I went there was 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.920 because of the weather and it was close to Hong Kong. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:56.600 So he was just like whenever you get a day off, 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.720 he was just fly to Hong Kong and eat regular 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.640 food and then come back to thing. And I ended 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:02.960 up being a fifty six days. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:08.200 I couldn't make it's the future, six nights literally, fifty. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.280 Six days, bro, fifty six days. It was the day 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.040 when I was flying in, I knew I wasn't gonna 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:13.320 make it. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.280 I was just look, you could just tell yeah, I'm 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.199 sure you're like this ain't I can't do this. 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:18.879 It's just like at the you know, at the end 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:20.879 of the day, like I say, all money ain't good money. 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.760 Listen, early in my radio career, my first full time job, 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.560 I did afternoons at a station in Boise, Idaho. 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:27.399 Oh shit. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.680 And as soon as I got there, I said, well, 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.159 I'm not gonna be here longer than a year. So 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.119 I said, this shit is cool, but I ain't for me, 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:35.880 you know what I'm saying. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.760 I told the general manager, which was this lady named Ricky, 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.000 who knew nothing about basketball. So I was like, we're 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.200 not gonna win no game because the other thing about China, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:44.840 which is cool. So you know, I had like a 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.680 three million dollar contracts only for three and a half months, right, 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:49.960 so it's really no time. But you also you get 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.280 paid a bonus every time you win, and like my 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.840 bonus was five thousand dollars cash. Every wind that Ricky 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.680 literally comes after the game. It gives me cash. And 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.560 after like the first a couple of preseason games, I 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.280 was like, bro, I'm not gonna make any extra money. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:03.840 We suck. 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:06.400 Who are these guys on this team? 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.119 Like how did you put this team together? You know 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.280 what I'm saying. So I went to her like maybe 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.800 after the third game of the season, and I was like, Ricky, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.400 I'm gonna give you to a Thanksgiving. You gotta find 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.320 my replacement, you know what I'm saying. So I got 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.680 up out of there. I laid it home on Thanksgiving Day. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.400 I kissed the ground when I got home. O bullshit, 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.400 And uh, you know that was my China experience. 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.400 Shout out to Dwight Man. Dwights out there shooting threes? 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.080 I got some other shit going on. I saw the 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:32.199 other today you. 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.320 Got I mean, listen man, allegedly because I'm like, you know, 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:41.159 you never know with the Internet what's doctored, and you know, 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:42.399 so I don't want to put. 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.000 That on them, like why they're doing that to my man? 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:45.760 Yeah, I don't want to put that on Dwight because 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.080 I don't know if that's the thing, because again it's 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:49.679 the Internet. I saw the screenshots. 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:51.240 Look it looks crazy. 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:55.119 It does look pretty crazy. And also if that's what 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.600 he's into, whatever, God bless it. Shout out to Dwight. Uh, 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.320 I was gonna ask you, uh what was well? First 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.879 of all, I am a die hard Sons fan. I 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:09.600 have well Lebron's might goat. But I have a over mic. Yes, okay, 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.000 but see I have like a I have son's toys. 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:13.760 I got you, I gotta. 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:17.720 Okay, why did you play for Mike d'antni ever? Was 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:18.320 it in New York? 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:19.000 Yeah? New York? 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:23.440 Okay, why Mike Dan? Phony? What was your experience with Mike? 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:27.800 Because I have heard very mixed things, mostly very negative 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:28.640 things about Mike. 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.720 Yeah. I mean, I won't go into hell of detail, 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.000 but you know it just you know, I just respect 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:35.680 coaches that just tell you the truth all the time. 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.040 You know what I'm saying, Don't talk shit behind my back, 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.160 don't tell me one thing and then tell somebody else 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:42.000 or you know what I'm saying. So that's the phony 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:46.880 part of it. The other thing was like I may 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:48.399 be wrong, and like I said, you know, the one 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.520 thing I say about athletes, you know, we don't have 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.560 a real concept of reality, right, you know what I'm saying. 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.760 That's what makes us special. That's the reason why there's 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.320 thirty million, three hundred million people that played basketball and 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.520 inspire to be pro three hundred it is only four 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:03.879 fifty you know what I You know, that's it's the 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.000 reason for that. I just felt like we could have 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:11.400 been a better team if we like attempted to play defense. 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:16.320 Like we literally never did anything for defense, like nothing, 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:20.320 never practice a rotation like nothing. So I'm just like, 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.440 how do you expect us to win if we can't defend? 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:25.760 You understand what I'm saying. And we used to tell 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.439 him that, and you know, one time, you know, Larry 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:32.359 Hughes fell out of the rotation because me and Larry 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.840 went to him before practice one day was like, yo, coach, listen, 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.919 we understand, like defense isn't a priority. But you know, 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.600 we talked to all the players and we're all willing 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.680 to come in thirty minutes before practice. 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.160 Defense, but we want to fucking win. 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.919 Bro in New York, Bro like we like and he 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:51.639 like got all emotional and upset and offensive and like 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.800 you think it's defense, just like talk, you think it's defense. 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.760 We're like, yes, we can't defend nobody. We don't know rotations, 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:02.440 we don't communicate, yes, And he got all pissed off, 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.280 and you know that that just really frustrated me, and 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:07.200 it just made me not like him as much as 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.600 a coach. Now obviously I got numbers under him. You 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:11.800 know what, I'm saying, which is his style as seven 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.760 seconds or seven seconds is wide open, is about getting 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.360 as many shots as fast as you can, which can 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.080 be considered bad basketball, you know, depending on who you are. 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:22.600 I never want to ring and he's never wont to ring, 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.000 and that's then it makes for great regular season records. 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.720 And then you just keep getting jobs. You understand what 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:31.200 I'm saying, like the league and that's what we could 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.040 cover that another time too. It's just like they keep 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.119 recycling the same coaches, and what do you think you're 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.960 gonna get a different result? Why? You know what I'm saying. 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.199 So that's a whole nother thing. Don't get me started. 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:43.520 So what years were you with the Knicks? 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:48.440 I think I was there two thousand and ten and eleven. 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:50.760 I got traded this so I got traded there. I 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:52.640 think in two thousand and ten. 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:54.520 Was that like a Mari's first year? 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:56.919 No? Amari came right after me. 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:00.280 Okay, should you Were you on the team with mariy? No? 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:03.360 I never played with or Mellow. I left there, went 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.240 to Denver with Mellow, and then Mellow got traded halfway through. 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:09.520 The and then you ended up playing with like Landry Fields, 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.560 and like no I played, it was who was all 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:12.920 the random? Nick? Uh? 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:13.239 So? 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.439 I played? My era was when I was there. It 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:18.240 was like some thimas had came back for a second. 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:20.520 Tracy McGrady played with us for a second. 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:22.680 Racy McGrady played on the Nuggets. 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:29.880 The Knicks Nuggets is it was was a very underrated guy. 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:35.320 It was Mellow Kenya Martin. 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.280 Yeah, but when Melow got traded, you played the year 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:40.040 after with with those guys, right with those guys? 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.600 Yeah? Yeah, so that was j R. Smith? What's my damn? 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.600 What's my uh ty? Lawson? Aaron? 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:49.719 What was the light skinned dude that the Knicks traded 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:53.560 to the nick or that they traded into the Nuggets. 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:57.359 But he was like kind of like borderline like you again, 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:01.000 this guy could be an all star fall play for UCLA. 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.119 I'm talking about there was like a forward? Was that 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:05.600 a small forward? He was a part of that Nick 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:06.480 Smellow trade? 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:15.720 Oh Gallinari, No, that's who came. Wilson Chandler. Wilson cham okay, okay, 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:16.680 yeah that's my dog. 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:17.960 Shouts to Wilson Chanler. 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:18.879 Shout out to Wilson. 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:21.199 Bro what would you consider your because you've been a 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.159 part of some dope teams obviously shout out to the Pacers. 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:26.240 I feel like the Pacers were like one of those 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.240 teams that when I think of the best teams that 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:31.119 never got a ring, I think of the Pacers. I 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:34.520 think of them. I think of the Suns, you know, 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:39.040 I think of a couple versions of the Suns. Uh, 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:43.440 fuck my life, and then I just you know, but 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:47.600 but the Pacers, I feel like legit were like talently 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:50.800 if you look at the roster, like one through eight 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:52.520 or nine, like the best team in the league a 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:53.560 couple of years in a row. 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:55.480 Yeah, man, when I first came into the league. So 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:57.399 you know, when I first came in the league, it 0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.680 was the year after you know, Mike did the push 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.480 off to Reggie and hit the shot, you know, to 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.919 win that series. So you know, they were so mad. 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:07.919 They were licking their wounds. They thought that, you know, 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:10.399 we would winning the next year, no bullshit. So it 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.480 was a lockout year when I came in. So they 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:17.040 were so focused that they had training camp. Training camp 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:19.720 started when training camp was supposed to start, because Reggie 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:21.800 was like, so whenever the season do start, we'll be 0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:24.360 in better shape than anybody. So We literally they had 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:26.480 us all there. Everybody was there except for I think 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:29.560 Jalen Rose and Dale Davis, but everybody to a man 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:29.960 was there. 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:31.280 It was Rick Smith's on that team. 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:33.359 Rick Smith was on the team too, so Bro we 0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:35.159 did doing all. He was in and out of the 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.920 practice during that time. He had bad feet. So we 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:41.199 worked our ass off up until like maybe Thanksgiving, and 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:42.960 they were like, we'll look like shit at about to happen. 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:45.199 And remember it didn't start until like January or the 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:49.800 next year or whatever. But at that time, the league 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:51.840 was all about vets, so it was like who had 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.000 the best vets at that time, you know what I'm saying. 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.359 And we just ran into the Knicks and Larry Johnson 0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:58.240 had that four point play. 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:00.640 Four point play was crazy, you know what I'm. 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:02.840 Saying, And that pretty much knocks us out the box, 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.240 takes our momentium away. But then the next year, man, 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:06.680 we get to the finals, you know what I'm saying. 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:08.240 We get to the finals, but we ran into a 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:14.280 fucking unbelievable Kobe Bean Bryant and fucking shock that you 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:16.439 can't do nothing with, you know what I'm saying. And 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:18.080 even we I'm gonna tell you this funny thing about 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:21.400 that here we thought we had a a series altering 0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:25.919 moment when Jay Rose Jalen Rolls stepped under Kobe and 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:26.960 made him roll his ankle. 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:30.680 You guys were like we like you guys were kind 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:31.560 of excited, like. 0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:35.560 Hey, chance, this was old school basket Yeah, sit your 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:39.200 bitch aw yes all that Like that was like everybody 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.280 in the locker room like, yes, we got this motherfucker 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:46.440 out type shit and fucking Kobe plays the next game 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.160 and not only kept it movie had like thirty six 0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:52.800 or something were. 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.159 You would you like, did was that on the on 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:57.560 purpose thing? You'll see guys always try to slide under 0:25:57.560 --> 0:25:57.880 the landing? 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:00.200 Well, Jay Row said, I mean I think he's said 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.239 it himself. He did it on purpose. M Yeah, like 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:04.639 you know, you know, you don't know that you're going 0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:06.520 to make him roll his ankle, but you hope something happened, 0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:09.280 you know what I'm saying. And uh, like I said, 0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:11.399 during that time, it was no hose bars. It was 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:13.840 just like Survival of the Fittest, you know what I'm saying. 0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:16.080 So yeah, I would say that it was done on purpose. 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:18.919 I'm assuming throughout that series you had to have like 0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.880 eventually kind of ended up on Shack by accident. Maybe 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:22.520 there was no. 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:26.600 Hours I was about to have back surgery. 0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:28.080 Did you ever? Did you ever? 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:29.400 Like I guarded Shack though? 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.399 What was it like guarding because because there always he 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:35.280 is the most dominant player of all time and peak Shack, 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.000 I just I just you know, I don't know what 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:38.159 you can do, really, bro. 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:43.360 You pray. So when he was in Phoenix, the big 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:46.320 Cactus bro he was. He was rolling down the lane 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:51.520 and I rotated over to take a charge. And when 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.679 I got there, he had already made the commitment and 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:57.199 I just closed my eyes and I said God please, 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.359 and he hit me and fell on time of me. 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:02.920 But you know, it just didn't hurt. I was like surprised, 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:06.120 like boom, And I opened my eyes and he's looking 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:06.600 right at me. 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:09.400 He was like, you're look at you from Jersey. Other 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:13.720 than that, I would have killed you. He's like looking 0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:15.240 that on top of me, like you're look at you 0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:19.280 from Jersey. I was like, thank you, big fella. But 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.960 guarding Shaq was it was impossible, bro. But you know 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.320 when I'm guarding him, we got a double team them, 0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:26.719 So it's just like I'm just holding them holding them 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:28.280 up as much as I can. And this is my 0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:29.800 golden state days. You know what I'm saying. 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:32.160 We play small balls, so that means now he gotta 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:32.680 guard me on that. 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:34.120 You're like the big gun on the team. 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.600 You know what I'm saying. So but we have success. 0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:38.280 Like I said, we beat him every time. You know 0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:42.280 what I'm saying. But Shaq, Shaq was a low bro. 0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:44.400 Guess how the interview to say about our goo folks 0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:47.840 at odd Socks, Baby, yeah, shot to odd Socks. Now, 0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.480 this is what I love about odd Socks. 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Used the promo 0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:21.280 code Bootleg, get the first deposit bonus. Right now, let's 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.280 get back into the interview. What about just like on 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:26.840 the perimeter, hardest guy you ever had to defend, where 0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:29.200 you were just like, give me the hardest guy and 0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.720 then the most underrated guy where you were like fuck this, 0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:33.520 I don't think people understand how good this guy is. 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.080 So my top three I guarded everybody. 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:35.400 I got it. 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:40.080 Kobe, I got it, Brian, you know, I got it. Mike, 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:44.480 the old Mike, Mike, Mike. Yeah, that Mike. I got 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:48.080 it that Mike. No, that's not that Mike, is it? Yeah? 0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:49.880 That's so that's his last All Star game. 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.160 Is it? Okay? All right? Yeah? So that Mike so 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:56.600 obviously all tough to guard, right, But the guys that, 0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:01.280 like I was just like fuck Grant Hill before the ankle. 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:04.720 So it was like my first two first two or 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:08.200 three years before the ankle, Like you knew he was, 0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.760 You knew he couldn't shoot, you knew he didn't want 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.960 to shoot. You gave him space, and he still could 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:16.520 blow by you. He had he had the quickest first step. 0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.320 Like what I'm saying, like I guarded Mike's Mike was older, 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:21.920 but I guarded Kobe's first step like I felt like 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:23.640 I could get to Kobe, you know what I'm saying, 0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.160 his ship by you. It just was the quickest shit. 0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:31.760 The other person for me was Paul Pierce, and Paul 0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:35.680 was because obviously Hall of Fame, a great player, but 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:37.680 it was something about this game that you felt like 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.320 we was guarding him. He was always off balanced, so 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:42.280 you're thinking like he's like falling, but then he just 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:44.120 goes straight up or you think he's falling and he 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:45.840 just keeps going straight you know what I'm saying. So 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:47.600 it was just and it was tricky. It was like jankie, 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:49.440 you know what I'm saying. So that would be two, 0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:53.560 and then three was Zach Randolph Yo. Z BO was 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:57.640 beat Bro and z BO was because when you got 0:31:57.680 --> 0:31:59.760 done playing against z Bo, you felt like you just 0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:00.840 had a street fight. 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:02.800 Yeah, he just was he physical. 0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:05.400 He on you all game. Like I used to feel 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.480 like I would be on offense and he's still on me. 0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.120 I'm like, Zbo, rotate Bro, you on defense, Like why 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.160 do you still while your body still on mind? You 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.720 know what I'm saying. So those would be the three 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.000 in my career that I felt like, was this the toughest. 0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:18.760 What's crazy too? We were talking about the Pacers. You 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.120 actually were with the Pacers two different times, so like 0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.800 the second because you came the year after the the. 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:26.200 The Palace. 0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:30.080 You were you were there the year after, and I 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:34.200 feel like that was the year where because Ron didn't play, 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.280 And I think I do feel like at a certain 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:37.760 point in time, ron ar Test might have been like 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:39.320 a top three guy in the league, maybe for like 0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:41.720 a half a season. Yeah, and then all I mean. 0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:43.360 As Stephen Jackson say, I don't know if you ever 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.400 heard him say this, but Steve says he thinks he's 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.240 the best two way basketball player ever. 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:53.200 I mean, look, peak ron our Test was very underrated. 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:54.440 I don't think people remember it. 0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:58.240 The right ro He was so fucking good dog, Yeah, 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:02.480 he was so. He was tough like the motherfucker. He 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.080 did miss games, like he had heart surgery, played a 0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:10.960 day after played wad towards thumb surgery. They he took 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:12.760 the cast off in the locker room played. 0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:15.120 And this is all while also kind of trying to 0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:16.920 have a rap career for people who don't remember, Bro. 0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:20.960 He was he exactly like it wasn't It wasn't even 0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.120 like he was just locked in on basketball all the time. 0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:26.360 He was doing so much other ship and he was 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:29.440 that good. But to your point, the year that I left, 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:34.960 they traded me for Steven Jackson. Right that team, I 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:36.880 think if they didn't have the mouts in the Palace 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:38.280 they win the championship, that that's. 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:39.680 The year that That's the year in my head that 0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:42.000 I think, like, damn, like that team. 0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:44.320 Bro, they were going they were gonna win sixty plus 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:46.840 games for we had just won sixty games a year before, 0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.120 you know what I'm saying, Like they were about to 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.400 and and I'm even saying that with me leaving the team, 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:53.680 I feel like I was on the team we made 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:56.880 even better. But like that that team, they had everything, 0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.360 they had everything, they had every stacked, they had everything. 0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:00.480 They were gonna win that year. 0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.400 But can you tell me what's it like to have 0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:05.560 Reggie Miller as a teammate Because he's supposed to be 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.360 the greatest smack talker ever him, Gary Payton, Jordan, you know, 0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.560 whatever you want to do. But people say he was 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.000 kind of like a tough guy, you know, like to 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:15.919 play againis in terms that he would just talk about 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.080 your fucking kids, like he didn't give a fuck, you 0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:18.600 know what I'm saying. 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:22.000 Yeah, I mean he talked shit. But Reggie the ultimate competitor. 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.600 If you wasn't a pacer, you was like for real 0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.040 to op, like for real to op. Like he had 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.840 no other friends on other teams. That's amazing, Like he 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:35.160 had that mindset first person in the gym, last person 0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:38.560 to leave for real, not just you know, you hear it. Literally, 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:40.759 the first person in the gym I used to have 0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:42.799 as a rookie, I used to have bring donuts and 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:46.400 orange juice, so you know, just say practices at eleven. 0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:49.560 If I got there at nine, he was already there, bro, 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:51.239 So I had to like try to beat him because 0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:52.840 he was the one that wanted the donuts. Like, you 0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:54.360 understand what I'm saying. So I'm like having to be 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.000 at the gym at like eight thirty in the morning 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:58.520 just to kind of get there the same time as him. 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:02.000 You understand what I'm saying. As far as on the court, 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:04.840 like you said, like I said, like ultimate competitor, he 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:06.880 didn't really really he didn't really talk shit unless you 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:09.520 said something or like somebody on the bench said something. 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:11.480 That's how all them guys were. That's how Mike was, 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:13.319 That's how Kobe was, Like. 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:15.000 Don't if you give me some mammuit shit. 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.320 They just want they just you know, like most times, 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:18.880 like I always say, like when we're playing games and 0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.040 shit like that, which is kind of dope, Like you know, 0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:24.120 it could be it's twenty thirty thousand people going crazy, 0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:26.239 but you don't hear it, it's like a silence that 0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.080 we play with. You understand what I'm saying. But the 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.440 only thing we do here is what's on the court 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:32.839 and what's on the benches. You understand what I'm saying. 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.560 So Reggie just wait for somebody to hear him take 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:37.680 a shot and be like, Oh, that's off. You know 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.200 what I'm saying. He like, Oh, it's off. Oh just 0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:41.960 anything to get them going, you know what I'm saying. 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:45.600 If you ever have like a personal gripe, because I'm 0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:47.640 real close with a lot of NBA guys and like 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:49.520 some of their managers and stuff, so they'll give me 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:53.040 like heads up, like like I'll know certain players will 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.879 never play with each other, right if it's up to them, right, 0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.440 whether it's over a girl or whether it's over something 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:05.080 you said, like for example, like I've heard that like 0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:09.400 because of something Dennis Shrewder said to Devin Booker, he'll 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.879 never play for the Sons. Oh wow, And it's it's 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:14.520 it's kind of out there, like Devin Booker went and 0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:15.560 saw him in the locker room and he was on 0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:17.319 the rockets because he said some shit about his girl. 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.080 You know, people kind of know about it. But like 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.799 he'll never be on the suns, right, did you ever 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.759 have something like that with a guy? And I'm sure 0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:27.680 you got over it, but like where you just were like, man, 0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:30.200 I really don't fuck with that dude for whatever reason. 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:31.640 Maybe he says some shit on the court. 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.920 Nah, I didn't personally, Nah, And you know, and at 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.279 the end of the day, like you know, if the 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.120 sons really want they shrewder like they have just come 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.600 to Amend's right, you understand what I'm saying, Like you 0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.120 could say that as much as you want what. 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:47.719 It feels so weird now because so many NBA guys 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:49.400 are dating the same chickstias. And I'm sure it was 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:50.080 always we here. 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.239 Nah, it wasn't. Well maybe it was we just it 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:53.640 was no social No. 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:55.440 I was gonna say, the social media makes it where 0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.840 it's like everyone's falling the same chicks now, so the 0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:01.480 same chicks getting flown out out and there's a lot 0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:04.120 of random like background beefs over just girls that are 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:07.120 for everybody, right, which is weird. It's super weird. 0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:11.200 I was so weird. 0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.400 Yeah, it's super weird. I was gonna say, obviously, Viola 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:19.640 is very successful endeavor, but You've always pivoted outside of 0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:22.160 just getting your basketball check. I remember when you and 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:27.080 Stephen Jackson launched your shoe line, Proteges, and the whole 0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.399 point of it was like to provide like a very 0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:31.520 affordable shoe, right, like for kids to work. 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:34.480 Yeah, man, I just you know, I think that, like 0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:36.319 even when you make it, like you can't forget where 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:38.479 you come from, right, And you know, I just thought 0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:42.040 about like when I was a kid, I love Michael 0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.440 Jordan's right, but I couldn't afford to spend one hundred 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.000 and something dollars for Jordan's right, right, And at the time, 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:50.759 Patrick Ewan had sneakers, right that was like half the price. 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:54.400 And chem elajah Wan had the shoes at Walmart, the 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.879 Spaldings and had some shoes too. 0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.759 So like I thought about that, and like that I 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:03.760 those and I felt empowered. I felt good. I felt 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:06.200 I felt dope showing his showing up to school instead 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.279 of like with jeepers or you know, shit that had 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:11.880 no name, you know, and like especially where I come from, 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:13.440 and I think where a lot of us come from. 0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.440 Like you get in powered by what you wear. You 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:17.359 know what I'm saying, Your appearance it gives you more 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:19.799 confidence and different things like that. So I was just 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.439 thinking about that, and you know then Stephan Marbury wants 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:24.479 to get it. And Steph is like a big brother 0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.440 than me, you know what I'm saying, And he's always 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:28.319 I say, I tell people a lot of times like 0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:30.240 a lot of the swag I got I got from Steph. 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:31.920 You know what I'm saying from early. You know, he 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:34.120 like during that lockout, I'll tell me about He let 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:35.799 me come stay with him for two months and he 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:38.520 you know, I watched some lyft weights and hoop every day, 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:40.440 and he showed me a lot of like, you know, 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:42.120 what it takes to really survive and if I want 0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:45.000 to be good. You know. So his shoe had came out, 0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:47.960 you know, the deal fell through with Stephen Barry. They 0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:50.720 did some bullshit and undersold the shoe from and different 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.759 things like that, and you know, he decided to go 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:55.520 to China and everything. So I was like, you know, 0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:57.640 it's still a void here, you know what I'm saying. 0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:00.759 And you know me stack in fact, Joe actual Joe 0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.359 is also a part of it. He had a shoe too, 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.000 and uh, you know those two of my brothers, they support, 0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:08.040 you know, all the endeavors, and you know, I just 0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:10.160 wanted to make something that you know, kids could wear 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:14.239 because you know, they just unfortunately everybody can't afford Lebrons 0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.440 and Jordan's right everything. So if other NBA players can 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:19.960 come together create a shoe you know what I'm saying, 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.560 that they could feel good about wearing. You know, it's 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:25.120 more of them than others, you understand what I'm saying. 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:28.200 So it was a huge success until you know, once again, 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:29.880 a bad partnership. You know, one of the things I 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:31.640 learned in businesses you got to know who you get 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:34.880 in business with, you know what I'm saying. So I 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:36.719 feel like if I didn't have a bad partnership, I 0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.120 think it will probably still be you know in uh 0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:41.359 who we was Kmart you know. 0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.320 Yeah, yeah, I remember, yeah, Yo, you you got to 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:47.239 have a pretty crazy collection of like pees shoes in 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.120 terms of just player exclusives. What is like your most 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:52.520 coveted pair of kicks where you're like, yo, if I 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:54.680 put these on stock X, worst comes to worst. I 0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:56.040 you know, I could pull a little something. 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.760 So I'm gonna be honest, bro, I haven't I haven't 0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:03.680 seen my shoes and probably about storage there in storage. 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:05.680 I haven't but I haven't been to the storage in 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:07.399 ten years. Wait. 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.239 You had a bunch of shoes and some of them 0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:10.000 I probably fell apart. 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.000 Yeah, they probably. That's why. That's why I haven't went. 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.600 To get any like the terror squad or the Tarah squads. 0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:16.799 But they but they got some new ones coming. Fat 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:18.520 Joe just they called me the other day, He's gonna 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.560 send me the new ones. Okay, but yeah, I had 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:23.719 to I had the patent leather ones with the red 0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:25.600 ts on them or whatever. Then I think I had 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.640 to pay with the black ts on them as well. 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.920 But y'all had those what else? Some of like the 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:35.400 dopest pees that like, uh. 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:37.080 Because did you have like a cause, you know, for 0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:38.600 people who don't know, like a lot of guys do 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:40.440 have shoe deals, even if you don't like hear about it, 0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:41.279 Like could you have like a. 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:43.600 Yeah, I had a Nike contract, but you know they 0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.600 paid me not a lot of money, and you know 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.640 we would get like an allotment up to like maybe 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:50.719 one hundred to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.279 of product every year every year, so you would get 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.840 your pees mad pees made or whatever. So like for 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:57.600 most of my career, I always had like a Nike 0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.360 that was part of like the Force Division called it 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:02.600 at that time, and I would have like my own 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:04.840 colorway with my you know, with my logo on it 0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.440 or the logo that I made for or whatever. Yo. 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:09.879 When you were with the Nugget, George Carl was the coach. 0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:13.880 George Carl is a wild guy on Twitter. God bless him. 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:15.719 His Twitter's lit. You know what I'm saying, he don't. 0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:18.080 George Carl is a good fuck for people who. 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:19.879 Have not been paying attention. What was it like playing 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:24.120 for George Carl because took the Sons to the final? 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.399 I fuck with George because he told me because he's 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:29.000 exactly who he is. He's not phony. You know, you know, 0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:31.560 you know what you're getting, you know exactly what you're 0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:34.879 dealing with. So my first, my first running with him 0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:38.040 was he had called me in, he had called me 0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:41.080 into his office and he wanted to talk to me, 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:44.200 and he was asking me like, uh, He's asked me 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.440 like maybe why didn't I rebound at a higher clip? 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.680 And he had all these books behind him, and like 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:53.000 the one book that stood out to me right. It 0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.719 was like it was like it was called nigger, right, 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.200 and you know, he had it up there or whatever. 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.640 So that me the wrong way just reading that right. 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:03.880 So then it kind of made my whole conversation with 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:05.760 him kind of like I felt little funny but whatever. 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:10.000 So it was just in there or whatever, and he's 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.799 like asking me all these different things and then we 0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:14.480 you know, so then we start kind of going at 0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:16.520 it a little bit. And then what he said to me, 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:19.520 he was just like, well, you know, I've won fifty 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.439 games a year for the last five years. How many 0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:24.920 games have you won? That was coming from the Knicks, right, 0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:28.080 So I'm like, shit, win win, But I'm just like, 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:31.160 how many games did you play? Right? You know what 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:34.000 I'm saying. So I'm saying all I have to say 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.200 was he was the type of coach where when we 0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:39.360 won games it was because of him. 0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.440 When we lost games, it was because of the play. 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.800 He didn't take any accountability, you know what I mean none. 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:46.480 You know what I'm saying, Like that was the type 0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:47.200 of coach he was. 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.400 And I said, even through all of that, bro, like 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:53.200 he's actually a friend of mine, Like I actually still 0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:53.520 like him. 0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:53.959 Did you guys? 0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:56.080 Ever talk about the book. Never got a chance to 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:59.239 talk about the book. I thought it was very interesting 0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:00.680 that he had it in there like that, and I 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:02.920 don't know what it was about, but it was you know, 0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:02.920 I know. 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:04.960 Yeah, as soon as I'm leaving his office, I'm like, 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:06.920 what is this book? Yeah, I know, I should see 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:10.840 the cont then we might really have interesting. 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:13.840 I was already mad, and I even think about like 0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:16.840 looking to see what the what the book said. But uh, 0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.520 but for the most part, like I like George, you know, 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.319 I mean, he had his run ins with all of 0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:24.200 us at some point, but you know, I think that 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:26.759 his intentions was always to win, you know what I'm saying, 0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:28.759 which is west what we're all there for, you know 0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:31.600 what I'm saying. And you know, I would say he 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:33.320 was a teacher of the game. Yeah, you know what 0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:34.080 I'm saying, He taught. 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.759 I mean, I mean, you played really good at Dember too. 0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:39.319 Yeah, that's what I like. The first year was that 0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:42.000 year and the next year with Mellow left, is that's 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:43.840 when me and him actually became really cool, right. You 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:45.640 know what I'm saying was that next year was when 0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.319 we started to jail or whatever. And you know, like 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.920 I said, you know, if George calls me and say 0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:52.719 let's go to lunch and then I'll go Okay. 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.320 So we got Allen Iverson in the league game. Finally, 0:43:55.520 --> 0:44:00.680 finally you got the Iverson here. Yes, sir, I kind 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.160 of saw you a little bit of you guys talking 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.600 about you, kind of you know, reaching out to him 0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:12.120 to do this talk about like for you, because you know, 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.279 I can't think of another player who I'd like to 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:16.399 see have a strain than Ai. You know what I'm 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:20.800 saying for you though, Like were you an out always 0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:24.360 close throughout your playing years or was it something where like, 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:26.360 you know, you guys got closer after. 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.440 So I would definitely say we got closer after. But 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.920 whenever we saw each other was always love. And you know, 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:35.480 I was obviously seeing each other off the court. A 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.200 lot of times it was in like clubs and you know, 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:39.919 shit like that. So you know, you kick it, yeah, 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.640 you know, have some drinks, talk about whatever was going on, 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:45.799 and you know, kind of go from there. But I 0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:48.440 think that the one thing that I will say is 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:52.520 like with Chuck, was that when he came in, he 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:56.920 really revolutionized the game, right and. 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:58.319 Cause you came in, he was what two years in 0:44:58.400 --> 0:44:59.879 when you got drafted or like. 0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:03.640 With ninety six ninety eight. Yeah, yeah, so two years 0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:06.440 in and at that point, bro, he was just changing 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.920 the game. The jewelry, the tattoos, the braids, the. 0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:12.080 Clothes made people buy reboxing. 0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.640 The cars, you know what I'm saying. Like when we 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:17.600 would play, when we would play against them, we all 0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:19.640 would be sitting on the bus waiting to go down 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:21.840 the ramp to see what car Allan Iison drove that 0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:23.759 dam you know what I'm saying. Like he was like 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:26.319 he was you know, he was like showing us like 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:29.040 how you really want to live. Like you know, like 0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.040 when I came in, I'll say, like the Vets was 0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:34.080 you know, they were all Vets, so they would you know, 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:37.839 they were wearing suits on the Tea was on the team, 0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:41.080 so like you know, they driving, they got like one car. 0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:43.360 You know what I'm saying. They was just the conservative 0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:45.640 guy conservative and they weren't making as much money either, 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:47.240 you know what I'm saying. That kind of made sense. 0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:49.200 But so that was the kind of the way that 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.040 they saw the world. So when they talking to me 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:52.799 as a young guy, that's how they see in the world. 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:56.040 That's how they're telling me, and then Alan Irison and 0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.520 it's like, well, shit, i'd rather ball like that. 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:00.879 Did a lot of the Vets like in the league 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.920 not like him because of that energy he was bringing. 0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:06.040 I don't think so. I mean, I never heard nobody 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:07.080 say that they didn't like him. 0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:09.080 I was just because you know, I feel like, like 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:11.000 you said, like back then, it was a different league. 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:13.960 It was very like, you know, shit, a lot of 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:17.200 the great players played a very long time, and they 0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:17.520 were I. 0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:19.920 Think the I think the Vets they more would talk 0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:24.960 shit around the contracts, not your personal lifeful like what 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:27.200 you did or how you drove, how you dressed. You'll 0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:29.720 be more like this motherfuck's got a hundred million dollars. 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:33.200 It's almost got eighty million dollars. And you know, you're 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.600 comparing the stats and it's almost like how I could 0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:36.960 be I could be a you know, and I'm not 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.080 gonna say they were bitter, but you know, I get 0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:41.359 it because they were literally making one two million dollars 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:43.920 and then now guys making twelve or fifteen, you know 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:46.440 what I'm saying. And you know, I could easily be like, oh, 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.839 this guy making thirty million dollars, averaged more than that. 0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:50.879 That was kind of that was more like the way 0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:52.680 that they would be talking. You know what I'm saying. 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.839 But I think for the most part, everybody, I think 0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:59.440 you had to support Ai because I think that the 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.520 way he was doing it is the way you really 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:03.719 wanted to be for sure. He was like the first 0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:07.640 person that was really himself, Like, that's what was telling 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:09.840 me to fit into a box. You gotta do this, 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:11.440 you gotta do that, you gotta look this way, you 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:13.240 gotta walk this way, you gotta eat this, you gotta 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:15.560 Alan came in and was like all that. 0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:17.399 I feel like it was like him and Steph. That's 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.239 why I like Steph too, because Steph always had he 0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:21.359 had that chain with the s on it. Yeah, and 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:23.239 one booming you and I used to they. 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:25.400 Went in competition with each other. They were them too. 0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:26.600 They definitely were. 0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:28.640 Because I love each other. But they was in competition, 0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:29.359 both of them. 0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:31.520 But I would have my rebox and my the and 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.920 ones were more affordable shouts and one ogn one shorts 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:36.680 and T shirts with the like guy holding the rim 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:40.359 and ship on the back. Man one was litt I think, 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:41.200 and one's still the. 0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:45.720 Thing now it's coming back. Well's that, but they're definitely 0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:47.960 coming back. I'm seeing more ads on like this thing 0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:50.120 called Clash TV in New York. 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I think I wish the NBA would 0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:58.319 embrace it more because I do think it's like a 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:00.640 really cool office season thing. 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:01.640 You know, Like. 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:03.680 What for you, what was what was it like being? 0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:05.920 Would you start the season two of it? I did 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:09.120 the first two seasons, like though, just because you know, 0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:12.239 there were some old heads out there, there was some 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.080 younger dudes couldn't get in the league, Like, like, how 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:17.399 serious was the competition level in the Big Three? 0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:19.520 So it was? It was. It was pretty serious because 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:23.120 remember we all competitors, right, and then in this environment 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:26.279 was playing I think, yeah, but in this environment you 0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:29.759 couldn't get you couldn't hide, right. So, like I'll say 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:32.359 this about my career, right, I feel like I could 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:34.440 have been a lot better, right if I got a 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:37.520 different different opportunities, right, especially when I was younger. 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:40.440 Like maybe if the Spurs or something, yeah. 0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:42.279 Or if I was maybe the second go to guy 0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:44.160 on the team instead of the third or four. You 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.759 understand what I'm saying. Like, so now when you get 0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:49.839 to this three on three thing, it's like you can't duck. 0:51:50.000 --> 0:51:52.440 So it's like, and I'm using Mario as an example, 0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:54.279 even though like we have no beef or nothing, but 0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:56.680 it's like, Okay, when I played against Mario and the Suns, 0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:58.560 he was getting touches. I had it just more guard 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:00.480 and I just had to get my open threes. But 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:03.319 in this Omar, you gotta guard me now one on one. 0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:05.879 So now it was different and I'm gonna bust your ass. 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:07.960 And he wasn't the greatest defensive no, no, no. 0:52:08.120 --> 0:52:09.719 Just using him as an example, like he did great, 0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:12.840 and I'm just using him his example, but I'm just saying, 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:16.200 like I could go at him in this environment compared 0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:18.040 to during the season. I had to fit the mole 0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:20.399 and play the role because Baron and not the way 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:22.320 for Monte had to wait for stack Jack before I 0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:24.799 could get mine. You understand what I'm saying. So that 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:29.360 was the biggest thing that I think even Allen experienced immediately, 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:31.839 because it was like he had been busting everybody asked 0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:34.279 his whole career. Now he can't high he gotta he 0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:37.200 got a guard. So album only played two weeks. He 0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:39.160 stopped playing cause he was like, I can keep letting 0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:40.920 these dudes go with me. I can't. I'm not. 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:45.080 Everybody was going to him because honestly, like I remember, 0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:47.480 that was the big grab when Big three, like A, 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:48.319 he was the. 0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:50.759 No, he was the face of it. It was only him, 0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:55.040 for sure. He's the reason why Big three is Big three. Yeah, 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:56.920 but it was it was ai A. I made the 0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:58.839 Big Three. You know, he was the number one person, 0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:00.640 he was the lead person. Blah blah blah blah. But 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:05.160 at the end of the day, in that environment, I killed. 0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:07.719 So like we won the first year, we didn't lose 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:10.000 a game we went. We went undefeated and won it 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.279 the first champions the first year championship. And then the 0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:16.239 second year, uh, we didn't play as well we had, 0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:19.040 Like Rashan mckantz came back as a character forgot about 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:21.480 Yeah he can. But the first year all I was 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:22.760 telling everybody to hold him. 0:53:22.680 --> 0:53:24.719 Like he's trained to make a roster guy. 0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:28.200 Yeah yeah, yeah, But Cole and that we were shocking 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:29.960 Kobe in the Big Three. That's why I kept calling 0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:32.080 us shocking Kobe because nobody got. 0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:35.560 Us, we talked about some of the What was your 0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:38.600 favorite coach you played for? Was it played for Larry Bird? 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:43.480 Right, yeah, Larry. So like Larry, Larry got mad at 0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:45.000 me from the day I met him. I missed my 0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:46.360 flight for my press. 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:48.319 Conference, so he was just he just already was like. 0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:51.880 Yeah, he just he like being like, being late is 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.080 the worst thing you could do with him. It's being late. 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:56.920 He does not play that ship. So literally, the first 0:53:56.920 --> 0:53:58.880 time I met him walking into the office and he 0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:01.200 was like, I don't play that late ship. Before he 0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:04.279 said Hi, happy to have you on the team, He's like, 0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:07.120 I don't play that late ship. That's some bullshit. And 0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:09.319 I felt like he always held that against me the 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:11.920 two years I was there. But Larry was not a 0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:15.719 coach per se. He was a game manager. We had 0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:16.680 a guy you had you. 0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.840 Have like like Chris Mullen and all you still. 0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:21.440 Got to run plays and all right, right right. He 0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:24.560 never did that, Like he never wrote in two years, 0:54:24.600 --> 0:54:28.040 never wrote an X oh really never once. He had 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:32.040 Rick Carlile, our offensive coach, great coach by the way, yep, 0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:35.520 and then we had the coach Brendan Malone. 0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:38.719 So he just had like coordinators. Yeah exactly, and he 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:41.200 was he just subs. He just turned around like you 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:47.080 get this person, That's what he would do. But my 0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:49.759 favorite coach was so I would say my best X 0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:51.800 and O coach was Rick Carlile. 0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:54.719 Shout out to carl Like, bro, whatever he draws up 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:57.279 works every time. You're gonna get an open shot for sure, 0:54:57.520 --> 0:55:00.960 every time. But he's back in Indiana, right back in Indiana. 0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:03.640 But my my, my favorite coach that I enjoyed playing 0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:06.120 for was where I had when we had the least 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:08.320 amount of success. Was Mike Woodson. 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:11.560 Mike that was in it. Oh that's right, you were 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:12.359 with the Hawks for. 0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:14.840 Because I got traded for Stephen Jackson when the Malice 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:17.960 in the Palestine. So that was my That was my 0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:19.719 favorite coach And the reason why I liked him so 0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:22.319 much was once again, man, I'm just a huge I 0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:25.279 you know, I'm huge on like integrity and just like 0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:29.080 just being straight up with people. And like I just 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.120 felt like the two years I was with him, he 0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:33.120 never lied to me once. Bro. He told me, whether 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:34.839 I liked it or not, you know what I'm saying. 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.120 He told me what was the truth, and uh, you know, 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:39.640 for that Joe Johnson was on that team. Joe Caine 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:42.000 the next year. My first year, No, Joe. First year 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:44.239 was like second year had Joe. Second year we had Joe. 0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.160 First year was like me Antoine Walker kept it. 0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:50.840 Scoring team bro. 0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:53.040 And then we had old rookies. We had like Josh Smith, 0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:54.680 Josh Childress. 0:55:54.560 --> 0:55:56.920 Shout out to Josh Childress Man, one of the greatest 0:55:56.920 --> 0:56:01.360 frozen NBA history. Uh, Kevin Willis had to be like fifty. 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.640 But you know he played so long. He played so long, 0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:06.960 it's crazy. 0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:07.359 Yo. 0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:11.799 Did Joe Johnson ever like confide in you how he 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:13.719 felt about how the Suns did, Because I felt like 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:16.200 if we would have kept Joe Johnson, I feel like 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:20.200 we might have had a championship. We let Joe Johnson 0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:21.680 just walk because. 0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:25.640 Yeah, I mean, but he came, I mean. 0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:27.120 And then he goes to the Hawks and then they 0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:29.200 become a perennial playoff team. 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:31.680 Yeah, he was one of the most underrated players, you 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:35.440 know what I'm saying of his time for sure, But hey, man, 0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:36.840 I so Joe was a monster. 0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:41.080 Did you guys ever trade back and forth about, like 0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:47.120 later on how much you guys didn't like Mike D'Antoni nah. 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:49.239 I want to say, me and him never had a 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:51.320 conversation about Mike, but I might hit him up and 0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:51.839 ask him. 0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:52.839 Though, Okay, so what was it? 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:55.480 What was like did you really hate this guy? Well? 0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:59.000 Look, man, obviously the so can you kind of break 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:00.799 down because I I don't think a lot of people 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:02.960 understand a lot of the business model when it comes 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.920 to the weed game. I think a lot of people 0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:08.359 think it's like like we're talking off the air. It's 0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:11.120 like you're getting the weed game and you just print money, 0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:15.239 which is not the case. So many companies they they're 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:16.960 here for six months, they're here for two years, and 0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:19.120 then they're gone. Like you said, you're twelve years in 0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:27.920 for you guys. Are you guys strictly distro wholesale? 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Working on New York currently. 0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:00.919 Is it crazy for you to go to New York 0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:03.720 as a kid from the East Coast and see how 0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:05.440 open the whed? Like, have you been in New York 0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:09.160 City recently? Of course, it is like the craziest shit 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:09.760 I've ever seen. 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.760 It's like like people think like it's federal legalization. 0:59:12.880 --> 0:59:15.280 People think like California is like everyone's out here smoke. 0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:15.640 We No. 0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:17.280 You go to New York and you're just walking in 0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:19.360 the park and there's a bunch of dudes with fold 0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:21.120 up tables selling drugs. 0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:22.760 It's crazy New York cops. 0:59:22.920 --> 0:59:25.000 Or you go to the store to buy a juice 0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:27.240 and a sandwich and the guy behind the back he's got. 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:30.040 All kind of weed and shrooms and it's fucking wide. Yeah, 0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:32.160 New York and it happened like this. New York is 0:59:32.160 --> 0:59:35.840 definitely the wild wild West. They decriminalized and everybody, just. 0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:38.400 White people just don't care. They're just like, hey, dude. 0:59:38.360 --> 0:59:41.080 At the end of the day, is prohibitions great. Yeah, 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:44.919 sometimes you gotta you gotta take advantage of the contrast. Yeah, 0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:46.840 it's crazy, you know, to your point, Like I remember 0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:48.480 there was a point like you said, you you know, 0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:51.000 you rode through the city. I mean one time, I 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:52.840 had got some weed in New York and I was 0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:55.040 still playing with it the summertime, and I got pulled 0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:57.400 over and I just picked up a couple of ounces 0:59:57.440 --> 0:59:59.800 from somebody and it would have my whole car stinking, 1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:02.760 and I was so scared. Yeah, and the cop took 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:04.800 my stuff and everything, and you know, I told them 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:06.320 it was a new drug, that's why the plate was 1:00:06.360 --> 1:00:09.800 wrong whatever. And he literally gave me my license and 1:00:09.800 --> 1:00:11.880 insurance back and was like, stop smoking in the car. 1:00:12.240 --> 1:00:13.920 I hadn't even smoked. It was just you know what 1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:16.200 I'm saying. But he could have literally locked me up 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:17.640 for it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying to like 1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:20.040 to your point, now, I could be blazing. He pulled 1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:21.480 me over, like what's up? You want to hit this? 1:00:23.000 --> 1:00:25.600 You know what I'm saying. So it's definitely changed a lot. 1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:27.600 And you know, I think that the New York program 1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:29.560 on the legal side is probably gonna be one of 1:00:29.560 --> 1:00:32.000 the best in the industry. I think because of the 1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:36.600 way that they are trying to make sure that legacy 1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:40.400 people that were disapportionately affected by the Warren drugs car 1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:43.840 like winners and that are participating in the beginning and 1:00:43.880 --> 1:00:47.040 not in the you know, later like most states, because 1:00:47.080 --> 1:00:50.160 most states they give all these big companies the opportunity. 1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:51.880 Then they say, okay, now we're gonna let you know 1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:54.360 the people that you know, the poor people get in. 1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:56.480 And I always say, like I use the comparison, it's 1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:59.320 like playing against the Warriors and spotting them twenty thirty 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:03.520 points and go out and plays just literally what happened, 1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:05.480 you know what I'm saying. So when New York they're 1:01:05.480 --> 1:01:07.600 doing it, you know totally, they're doing it the right way. 1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:11.040 They're rolling it out properly, and I'm excited for the 1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:12.560 New York market. I think it's gonna be probably the 1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:13.520 biggest in the country. 1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:17.360 What were Did you ever have to dodge piss tests? 1:01:18.800 --> 1:01:21.400 No? In the NBA, No, I didn't. I didn't smoke until, 1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:23.480 like I told you that one time. And then my 1:01:23.600 --> 1:01:26.960 last year in the league, I was just using more 1:01:27.000 --> 1:01:29.720 CBD and stuff like that. I always wanted to keep 1:01:29.720 --> 1:01:32.400 my record clean just in case, because you know how 1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:34.439 they say they don't keep tabs on all that stuff, 1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:35.960 but they do, you know what I'm saying. 1:01:35.760 --> 1:01:37.840 And then you get like a stigma on you that's 1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:40.240 like kind of unfair. Then they talk about it on 1:01:40.240 --> 1:01:42.680 a sports center. It's like, who cares, it's. 1:01:42.560 --> 1:01:46.000 Weeds weed, like, you know, especially now it's now okay. 1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:48.040 And then you know they allowed it in the bubble 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:49.200 out of nowhere, right. 1:01:49.160 --> 1:01:54.240 You had one of your facilities be legally raided in Detroit, right, correct? 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:56.200 So what can you give me a breakdown what happened there? 1:01:56.280 --> 1:01:59.000 Yeah, so pretty much, you know, and how long ago 1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:01.040 was this? This was I think six years ago now. 1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:04.720 But what happens is like in all these states, you know, 1:02:05.000 --> 1:02:06.800 you go through this whole process, right, and at the 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:09.520 end of the day, unfortunately, it's still like regular state 1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:12.720 workers that are responsible for a lot of the information 1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:14.840 and all that kind of stuff. And like even when 1:02:14.840 --> 1:02:17.480 I apply for licenses, like, bro, I'm literally giving my 1:02:17.520 --> 1:02:21.880 every bank account, every lease, every this that like all 1:02:21.880 --> 1:02:24.120 these different states, these people have all my information. Bro, 1:02:25.040 --> 1:02:27.280 you don't see what I'm saying. So you go through 1:02:27.280 --> 1:02:30.000 that whole process, and you know, you get these permits, 1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:32.600 you get all these different things to operate, and you know, 1:02:32.840 --> 1:02:35.760 certain things happen. So what happened for us was, you know, 1:02:35.840 --> 1:02:38.680 someone jumps off the bridge. Our facility is right next 1:02:38.680 --> 1:02:42.520 to the Ambassador bridge that goes from Detroit into Windsor, Canada. 1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:47.400 They're looking for the body. Allegedly, the coastguard comes past 1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:51.360 our building. They smell weed. They call the city or 1:02:51.400 --> 1:02:54.120 the police. The police call the city. The lady at 1:02:54.120 --> 1:02:56.440 the city who's in charge is on vacation, so they 1:02:56.480 --> 1:03:00.960 talk to like her assistant, nook sit the paperwork, Oh 1:03:01.200 --> 1:03:03.520 had I don't have that address anywhere on any files. 1:03:04.400 --> 1:03:08.400 The gang unit exercises a warrant on the building. The 1:03:08.480 --> 1:03:12.760 gang unit. The gang unit, they come in. They dress regular. 1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:15.800 So I'm at home. My aunt calls me and she says, 1:03:16.000 --> 1:03:18.880 I think we're getting robbed. I look on the camera 1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:21.520 and everybody got on regular clothes, bro. So I'm like, 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:23.360 oh shit, y'all. So I'm like, you know, you know 1:03:23.440 --> 1:03:26.000 the procedure, go lock go lock, y'allself in the back. 1:03:27.640 --> 1:03:29.400 I'm looking on the camera. She's still looking on the 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:31.640 camera because the camera's in that back room. Then we 1:03:31.640 --> 1:03:34.520 see a paddy wagon that comes by. That says Detroit police. 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:36.800 So I'm like, oh, Auntie, it's the police. Cool, you 1:03:36.840 --> 1:03:39.600 got all the paperwork, Just go open the door. At 1:03:39.600 --> 1:03:42.120 this point, they're ramming the door. She opens the door 1:03:42.160 --> 1:03:44.400 before they have to bust it down, and she's trying 1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:45.960 to give them the paperwork, and all I see on 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:47.920 the camera is just an ar go to her face 1:03:48.360 --> 1:03:51.120 in the paperwork, fall or whatever. So they back her 1:03:51.160 --> 1:03:52.920 into the door and they all running through the door. 1:03:52.920 --> 1:03:54.720 They ramming the other door down on the other and 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:57.800 just still ramming, ramming and ramming, and then like literally 1:03:57.800 --> 1:04:00.640 three minutes later, the cameras is cut, So now I 1:04:00.640 --> 1:04:04.080 can't see anything. So now I'm nervous as hell, you know, 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:08.040 or thinking like what happened? Like you know, I'm still me. 1:04:08.480 --> 1:04:10.680 I don't want to go to jail. You understand what 1:04:10.720 --> 1:04:13.400 I'm saying. And long story short man, it was just 1:04:13.480 --> 1:04:17.120 some mix ups at the city level, and you know, 1:04:17.160 --> 1:04:18.360 they had to let everybody out. 1:04:18.600 --> 1:04:20.760 Did they pay for any of the did they damage 1:04:20.760 --> 1:04:21.120 your shit? 1:04:21.160 --> 1:04:23.080 They've damaged all of our shit. They took all of 1:04:23.080 --> 1:04:25.040 our equipment. What they did was they put us on 1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:27.880 the news that night with our address forty four to 1:04:27.880 --> 1:04:32.840 seventy three West Jefferson Avenue. And they left the warehouse open, 1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:36.520 so allegedly someone comes in there with equipment that know 1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:38.400 how to take down lights and know how to take 1:04:38.600 --> 1:04:41.560 HVAC off the roof and they just completely wiped us 1:04:41.600 --> 1:04:44.400 out over two days, because it took me two days 1:04:44.440 --> 1:04:47.000 to get there. You know what I'm saying. By the 1:04:47.000 --> 1:04:48.680 time I got there, my warehouse was empty. 1:04:49.520 --> 1:04:53.000 Well, you know they say this about Detroit. They will 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:56.160 gut a fucking a house out there. They'll take the 1:04:56.160 --> 1:04:59.600 copper out that motherfucker they'll take. Detroit is known for 1:04:59.600 --> 1:05:02.400 that shit. It like, if you got a house in 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:05.360 Detroit and it's not occupied, good luck. 1:05:05.520 --> 1:05:05.680 Bro. 1:05:05.760 --> 1:05:07.520 You need but to get all my ship like you 1:05:07.560 --> 1:05:09.000 need it, ladders, you need it. 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:11.240 Like, oh, it was probably the police, probably like one 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:12.000 of the cops cousins. 1:05:12.120 --> 1:05:14.520 Oh yeah, Bro, they got us, Bro, So it's probably 1:05:14.520 --> 1:05:17.120 so whoever out there got our equipment and we started 1:05:17.120 --> 1:05:19.000 your growing all that. You'll can send us a little 1:05:19.000 --> 1:05:20.960 thank you of something, man, because you know they got 1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:22.000 state of the art equipment. 1:05:22.040 --> 1:05:24.880 Bro, was like all the equipment being able to suit. 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:27.560 We're in a probably we're in a lawsuit still after 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:30.080 all this time, Jesus, and still you know they have 1:05:30.240 --> 1:05:33.040 like this immunity because they're police. It's just it is 1:05:33.120 --> 1:05:34.120 all bad, bro, Bro. 1:05:35.000 --> 1:05:40.840 How much frustration do you have dealing with weird Listen? Man, 1:05:40.920 --> 1:05:45.080 the marijuana industry is full of a lot of weirdos, yes, sir, 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:48.440 very much. Guys out of the culture, Guys who never 1:05:48.480 --> 1:05:52.160 were involved in weed in their life, corporate dudes. I mean, 1:05:52.200 --> 1:05:53.680 I've dealt with it a lot where I'm just like, 1:05:53.960 --> 1:05:57.720 these are the fucking weenies that are making decisions at 1:05:57.720 --> 1:05:59.919 some of these companies. And then that's when you see 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:04.320 like certain like brands like fall like fall Off or 1:06:04.400 --> 1:06:06.720 even like dispensary brands that are like really big brands, 1:06:06.720 --> 1:06:08.920 but it's like a bunch of weirdo, like you know, 1:06:09.480 --> 1:06:12.080 VC guys running them. Like like for you being a 1:06:12.160 --> 1:06:15.600 guy who you know obviously cares about the plant, cares 1:06:15.600 --> 1:06:18.800 so much about this, like the benefits of weed and 1:06:18.880 --> 1:06:21.520 just the culture and all that shit. Like, is it 1:06:21.920 --> 1:06:23.840 frustrating dealing with some of the weird ship that you 1:06:23.840 --> 1:06:25.120 have to do because I talk to Burner about the 1:06:25.120 --> 1:06:27.120 sh all the time. Berner deals with a lot of weirdos. 1:06:27.240 --> 1:06:30.040 Yeah, yeah, it's very frustrating, But it's just part of 1:06:30.080 --> 1:06:33.640 the business, bro. You know, we're still pioneering the industry, 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:35.600 and to your point, there's a lot of people that's 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:37.320 gonna come and go, you know what I'm saying. But 1:06:37.360 --> 1:06:40.000 you gotta it's all gonna weed itself out, and you 1:06:40.160 --> 1:06:41.960 just got to be a part of the process, you 1:06:42.000 --> 1:06:44.320 know what I'm saying. So yeah, i'd be frustrated, but 1:06:44.400 --> 1:06:46.000 not that frustrated, you know what I'm saying. I've kind 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:47.640 of gotten used to it, you know. I think that 1:06:47.760 --> 1:06:52.720 once again, also because of my background being yea so much, 1:06:52.720 --> 1:06:55.080 I'm a pro exactly, so for me, I guess it 1:06:55.080 --> 1:06:57.200 doesn't bother me as much. But to your point, yes, 1:06:58.160 --> 1:07:00.400 there's a lot of weird shit going on in industry, 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:03.600 a lot of weird people in it. And like I said, bro, 1:07:03.760 --> 1:07:05.880 we'll see how long it takes to weed it all out, 1:07:05.920 --> 1:07:06.840 but it's gonna be a while. 1:07:07.400 --> 1:07:08.560 How many shelves are you guys on? 1:07:09.280 --> 1:07:12.880 We're in California, in cally On, Cali, So we went 1:07:12.920 --> 1:07:15.560 to approach like small batch product or whatever. So we're 1:07:15.600 --> 1:07:18.520 probably about twenty five stores. Okay, Yeah, what's the biggest 1:07:18.520 --> 1:07:22.840 market for viola right now? It's Michigan, Michigan. Michigan's booming, Yeah, Michigan. 1:07:22.840 --> 1:07:25.120 And then I would say second is Florida. Oh shit. 1:07:25.160 --> 1:07:28.040 We did a partnership with a company called Flowery that's booming. 1:07:27.880 --> 1:07:29.840 Dope and then, So what I like about what you're 1:07:29.880 --> 1:07:34.760 doing is like introducing new strands, new partnerships. Have you 1:07:35.560 --> 1:07:39.080 because I know you had did Berner's Roundtable, No, I 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:41.480 haven't done. So you guys, you guys did an interview 1:07:41.600 --> 1:07:44.920 or something that I haven't set. It's on YouTube. 1:07:44.960 --> 1:07:48.520 I watched it, and yeah, did I maybe I dea 1:07:48.800 --> 1:07:49.520 I smoked that much. 1:07:49.600 --> 1:07:51.600 It's just like it was probably like five years ago, 1:07:52.240 --> 1:07:53.120 four or five years ago. 1:07:53.400 --> 1:07:56.240 I did an interview with Berner, not I don't know. 1:07:56.200 --> 1:07:58.080 If it was an interview. Was you guys chopping it up? 1:07:58.920 --> 1:08:01.320 I've done. I've done some like zoom stuff with him. 1:08:01.240 --> 1:08:04.160 During Maybe I'm am I tripping hold on, let me see, 1:08:05.280 --> 1:08:06.880 because I swear to god, I thought I saw this. 1:08:07.000 --> 1:08:09.520 I thought you were sitting. Oh, I know what he's 1:08:09.520 --> 1:08:13.840 talking about. I did at uh right here interviews Al Harrington. 1:08:16.320 --> 1:08:18.240 Oh yeah, that was way back in the day. You're right, 1:08:18.320 --> 1:08:21.080 we did that right here on Sunset. I know I'm 1:08:21.120 --> 1:08:24.559 not crazy on Sunset. You're right. I forgot. I forgot. 1:08:24.840 --> 1:08:27.559 I was gonna say, like, have you got any advice 1:08:27.600 --> 1:08:29.679 from a guy like Burne in terms of like he's 1:08:29.720 --> 1:08:31.800 done such a good job of like building out like 1:08:32.000 --> 1:08:35.320 the franchise model on the on the you know, on 1:08:35.400 --> 1:08:38.719 the dispensary side, and then obviously introducing the strains constantly. 1:08:38.760 --> 1:08:39.760 That's why I thought it was dope he did the 1:08:39.760 --> 1:08:41.519 Irish ship because I was like, oh, that's that makes sense. 1:08:41.840 --> 1:08:44.200 Yeah, now yeah, yeah, we talk all the time every 1:08:44.200 --> 1:08:45.560 time we see each other. Like the last time I 1:08:45.600 --> 1:08:47.760 saw him, well, I saw him when he did the 1:08:47.880 --> 1:08:50.360 Rika Bad Thing here in Cali. Before that where we 1:08:50.400 --> 1:08:51.880 actually got a chance to sit in the trailer and 1:08:51.960 --> 1:08:54.160 talk for about an hour, was down in Atlanta for 1:08:54.200 --> 1:08:56.960 the Revolt conference. But yeah, so he's always just you know, 1:08:57.080 --> 1:08:59.439 giving me his perspective what's going on. And you know, 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:01.559 the one thing that I would say, like it's consistent 1:09:01.640 --> 1:09:03.560 every time we talk. It's all about the quality of 1:09:03.640 --> 1:09:05.560 the week always. You know what I'm saying, Like, you 1:09:05.640 --> 1:09:08.040 find good week, make a cool bag of herself. Yeah, 1:09:08.120 --> 1:09:09.479 you know what I'm saying, and like kind of keep 1:09:09.520 --> 1:09:13.720 it simple, stupid kind of so you know, big shout 1:09:13.760 --> 1:09:15.360 out to burn the big shot, big shout out to 1:09:15.400 --> 1:09:17.040 what he's done. He's definitely you. 1:09:17.080 --> 1:09:20.759 Know, well listen whatever wherever you're at, well, not wherever 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:24.840 you're at, but this is I smelled the Irish. That's 1:09:24.920 --> 1:09:28.400 just gush. Shout out to Viola. I appreciate you pulling up, 1:09:28.439 --> 1:09:31.360 man and talking and thanks for having me. Congrats on 1:09:31.400 --> 1:09:32.679 the twelve twelve years. 1:09:32.920 --> 1:09:33.960 Twelve years and this ship. 1:09:34.320 --> 1:09:36.679 Yeah man, hey, so go support. And then for people 1:09:36.720 --> 1:09:40.040 who don't know, like, what's the Instagram? Where can people 1:09:40.120 --> 1:09:40.599 kind of find. 1:09:40.479 --> 1:09:43.439 Them with check out? Yeah, our instagram is at Viola 1:09:44.200 --> 1:09:46.040 you know, we have so have some other tags outside 1:09:46.040 --> 1:09:47.680 of that, but go to a Viola first. He'll get 1:09:47.720 --> 1:09:50.800 you there. Viola Brands dot Com is the website. And 1:09:50.880 --> 1:09:52.519 if you want to get some of this cool ass fire, 1:09:52.720 --> 1:09:55.800 y'all got real merch, Yeah, go to Viola Goods dot com. 1:09:55.880 --> 1:09:57.600 We got a bunch of new ship dropping over the 1:09:57.680 --> 1:09:59.400 next couple of weeks. We got sneakers, We did a 1:09:59.439 --> 1:10:04.280 collabor we're doing a collab with lambeau Keine on some 1:10:04.400 --> 1:10:06.280 merch on some T shirts and hoodies. You know what 1:10:06.320 --> 1:10:07.760 I'm saying, So go check it out. 1:10:07.800 --> 1:10:11.080 Bro boom my guy, Al Harrington, appreciate you pulling up, Yes, sir, 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:12.519 thank glad we got to make it happen. 1:10:12.439 --> 1:10:14.320 Yes, sir boom Hey. 1:10:14.400 --> 1:10:16.160 This interview is brought to you by our good folks 1:10:16.200 --> 1:10:18.559 at Hardan, all right, shout out to the hard Dean 1:10:18.640 --> 1:10:22.040 family in Las Vegas. Makes you follow them. 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