Speaker 1: Our guest today is someone I like to call the
Speaker 1: heartbeat of Full House. He is the man who made
Speaker 1: a pivot in a pitch room and ended up creating
Speaker 1: one of the most iconic family sitcoms of all time,
Speaker 1: and we are eternally grateful to him for bringing together
Speaker 1: our Full House family. Please welcome the one and only
Speaker 1: mister Jeff Franklin to the show.
Speaker 2: How long is? How long do we do? I have
Speaker 2: to do this?
Speaker 3: See, we're gonna hold hostage right and the torment has
Speaker 3: finally turned around. No, we're so excited to have you
Speaker 3: on this show though, Jeff, I love this.
Speaker 4: Jeff, Welcome to How Rude Tan Rito's.
Speaker 2: Did we start?
Speaker 5: We start?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: It's this is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like to jump right in and uh
Speaker 3: and run.
Speaker 1: It's a big adrenaline adrenaline rush, just like you're on action.
Speaker 2: Wow, guys, don't mess around.
Speaker 4: We don't mess around.
Speaker 1: But Jeff, the last time we saw you, I think
Speaker 1: was in Tampa in September for nineties con Is that
Speaker 1: the last time the three of us were together.
Speaker 2: I think so. I think so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5: And that was September.
Speaker 4: That was your first fan convention.
Speaker 6: As I have great pictures of mobs of people in
Speaker 6: front of everyone else's table, and then my area is
Speaker 6: like it's like a desert tumbling through. Uh, it's it
Speaker 6: was pretty funny.
Speaker 4: Well, I know, just send people over to your table, Jeff.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 6: You know, there were a few people, a few people
Speaker 6: who came by with specscribs and good see.
Speaker 4: They were very excited.
Speaker 3: Does it have just said that you were one of
Speaker 3: the like you were a long lost Olsen or something,
Speaker 3: and you and and nobody would have known the difference and.
Speaker 2: Made up something. I was like, cousin, Fred, don't you Yeah, sure.
Speaker 5: The real fans know who I am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeff, are you surprised still that, thirty six years later,
Speaker 1: we still have such a devoted fan base that shows
Speaker 1: up to these conventions and listens to these podcasts.
Speaker 6: It is, It is a little surprising, but it's all.
Speaker 6: What we had on that show, honestly, was was something
Speaker 6: that was really captured lighting in a bottle. I mean,
Speaker 6: it had was It's really a special, special group of people,
Speaker 6: and and we did something that was never done before.
Speaker 6: We actually raised an infant on television and no one
Speaker 6: had ever done that.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Yeah, it would skip you'd have like a
Speaker 3: baby and then like halfway through the season you were like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's a toddler, or you know, or
Speaker 3: they just aged.
Speaker 2: Like a five years old.
Speaker 6: Yeah, uh yeah, we actually we did that, and that
Speaker 6: alone makes the show unique. But the fact that we had,
Speaker 6: you know, the most amazing kids on that show.
Speaker 3: Whose idea was it to do it that way and
Speaker 3: to not or was it just the fact that, like
Speaker 3: the that Ashley Mary Kate sort of gelled so well
Speaker 3: with the rest of the cast that it was like this,
Speaker 3: there's obvious chemistry or was it an intentional thing? Were
Speaker 3: you like, no, we want to see what happens if
Speaker 3: you do this?
Speaker 6: Well, I you know, I was just naive. I had
Speaker 6: no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Now there's there's I think would be good if there's
Speaker 6: three kids, but even better if I only have to
Speaker 6: write dialogue for.
Speaker 2: Two of them.
Speaker 4: There you go, that's smart.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so you know, uh and three, that movie
Speaker 6: Three Men and a Baby was coming out that time,
Speaker 6: and I think it was just in the air, and uh,
Speaker 6: you know, I really wrote it in without thinking anything
Speaker 6: about the consequences, you know, not thinking this show was
Speaker 6: ever going to sell or.
Speaker 2: Turn into anything.
Speaker 6: And next thing, I know, I've got you know, got
Speaker 6: screaming babies on the set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no regrets, no regrets about adding kids to
Speaker 1: the show. Right, there was kids and dogs, kids, kids
Speaker 1: and dogs.
Speaker 2: It's in dogs, Golden Retrievers.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't always meant to be a family show.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: You had a different idea in mind when you went
Speaker 1: to pitch this show.
Speaker 4: Tell us that story.
Speaker 2: That's a weird story, how this happened.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't I can tell it now, but
Speaker 6: I you know, for years I didn't really tell the
Speaker 6: real story of you know, whole House. I had another
Speaker 6: speech where that made me sound really smart, where I
Speaker 6: talk about how, you know, there's this myth that every
Speaker 6: family in America has a mom and a dad and
Speaker 6: two point three kids, and you know it was this wonderful,
Speaker 6: you know, family unit, and the truth is that, you know,
Speaker 6: that wasn't the case. Most kids were growing up in
Speaker 6: single parent homes and we're either you know, divorced, or
Speaker 6: they were living with relatives or friends, or you know,
Speaker 6: there's all sorts of weird families out there, and those
Speaker 6: kids had, you know, had no role models.
Speaker 2: You know they were there.
Speaker 6: Weren't those kinds of oddball families on television, So you know,
Speaker 6: wouldn't it be great to have a show that, you know,
Speaker 6: that made those kids feel good? And it's not about
Speaker 6: you know, it's not about who you live with. It's
Speaker 6: about you know, are you are they loved? You know,
Speaker 6: are they fully supported? So anyway, that was that was
Speaker 6: the speech I gave. But that's really not how Full
Speaker 6: House happened.
Speaker 3: But that was the speech you would have given had
Speaker 3: you had time to prepare it.
Speaker 2: And well I gave that speech for years. Why I
Speaker 2: can just rattle it off.
Speaker 4: But that was your acceptance speech if we had right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3: It was the speech you wrote after, not the heat
Speaker 3: of the moment, right right, right speech.
Speaker 2: I just do it night by myself. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 5: We all have those. Every single person in the world
Speaker 5: has that speech.
Speaker 2: So No. I actually was in a weird dispute with
Speaker 2: lor Mar. They had I was there as under a
Speaker 2: screenwriting deal and they decided to get out of the
Speaker 2: movie business through no fault of mind, but they put
Speaker 2: out about six losers in a row and lost a
Speaker 2: billion dollars and said, oh, let's just concentrate on television
Speaker 2: where we're making all this money. So they I had
Speaker 2: to deal with them, and they didn't want to pay me.
Speaker 2: They wanted to They just wanted me to go work
Speaker 2: on the TV side. And I said, no, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: not a sitcom guy anymore. I'm a movie guy.
Speaker 6: I just had a couple of movies come out, and
Speaker 6: so we went back and forth, and finally they said,
Speaker 6: all right, just pitch something, pitch a show for us,
Speaker 6: and if it doesn't sell, we'll pay you.
Speaker 2: And fine.
Speaker 6: So I really wasn't crazy about working for that company.
Speaker 6: And I thought, let me just figure out a show
Speaker 6: that won't sell, and let me come up with the
Speaker 6: worst idea ever for a sitcom. And I came up
Speaker 6: with this idea that now would be is really smart,
Speaker 6: Like somebody can take this and sell it in a heartbeat.
Speaker 6: I came up with this thing out of comics, and
Speaker 6: wouldn't it be fun to find three up and coming
Speaker 6: young guys and put them in a house together and
Speaker 6: let them play themselves, you know, And this is nineteen
Speaker 6: eighty six, where there's no shows like that, nothing like
Speaker 6: that exists. Now everybody's a star and they can make
Speaker 6: a show about anyone, and you know, reality is everywhere,
Speaker 6: but back.
Speaker 2: Then that didn't exist.
Speaker 6: So I had a meeting with Laura More and they're like, Okay,
Speaker 6: what do you want to pitch?
Speaker 2: I said, well, it's about three.
Speaker 6: Guys who were going to cast and they're going to
Speaker 6: live in a house and they're going to try to
Speaker 6: make it a stand up comics. Okay, well, who are
Speaker 6: the characters? Like, I don't know whoever we cast? Well,
Speaker 6: what are the stories? I don't know whatever's going on
Speaker 6: in their lives? So that's all you got. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: well this pitch is only going to last thirty seconds.
Speaker 6: I can do it in twelve. And they are looking
Speaker 6: at me like what who is this guy?
Speaker 2: What? This is someone professional?
Speaker 6: So they call me back and they're like, well, ABC
Speaker 6: wants to meet with you, but you know, they really
Speaker 6: want a family show. Can you take this half baked
Speaker 6: idea of yours and turn it into you know, a
Speaker 6: normal show? And you know they it's like, ohh, I
Speaker 6: don't know. I guess I could. I didn't really want it.
Speaker 6: And that sort of evolved in the three guys and
Speaker 6: then one's a widower and then there's kids, in the House,
Speaker 6: and then the three comics morphed into one comic and
Speaker 6: two other guys, and it just, you know, it's a
Speaker 6: series of of okay, okay, all right, you know, and
Speaker 6: they were kind of pushing me to do a traditional
Speaker 6: sitcom and it just sort of morphed into in the
Speaker 6: Full House, and somewhere along the line, I just went, oh,
Speaker 6: this is this is good, This is a fun idea,
Speaker 6: This actually could be a cool show, and you know,
Speaker 6: my whole attitude kind of flipped. But in the beginning,
Speaker 6: I was just trying to come up with something that
Speaker 6: was terrible.
Speaker 3: Well, and there may be some critics out there that
Speaker 3: said that you.
Speaker 5: Did through.
Speaker 1: Mission accomplished in both ways a success.
Speaker 2: That's so funny.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got a big I've got a big drawer
Speaker 6: full of reviews that that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that proved that.
Speaker 3: And you and you have and you also have a
Speaker 3: lovely house full of proof. So yes, one drawer of reviews,
Speaker 3: a whole hill worth of proof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody was nice enough to give me some money
Speaker 2: at the.
Speaker 3: End of I mean, look, you know what you really like.
Speaker 3: And I hear this all the time from fans.
Speaker 5: Though, like you created a show that raised like a
Speaker 5: generation of.
Speaker 3: Kids of people and like and now has done it
Speaker 3: all over the world. I mean, you know going to
Speaker 3: Japan was it is incredible?
Speaker 5: Was yeah? Was that? What was that like for you
Speaker 5: to realize?
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, I know for us it was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, like going to another country is mind blowing.
Speaker 3: But like as the person who sort of has shepherded
Speaker 3: this whole thing, like when you see it go out
Speaker 3: into the world like that, like I can't imagine what
Speaker 3: that feels like to sort of have that effect.
Speaker 6: You know. Every now and then I would have a
Speaker 6: little a little hint, like I'd be in uh, France
Speaker 6: and some little small town and I'd go into some
Speaker 6: cafe and I'd give them my credit card and suddenly
Speaker 6: somebody would be like not Jeff Franklin from you know whatever,
Speaker 6: and you know, in the middle of nowhere, I'm getting
Speaker 6: free food and people are taking pictures, and you know.
Speaker 2: It was just like what how did how is it possible?
Speaker 6: But that Japan trip was was shocking because that was
Speaker 6: the first time I was actually you know, that was
Speaker 6: it was like little you know, I don't know if
Speaker 6: it was staged or what, but there was like pandemonium
Speaker 6: at the.
Speaker 5: At the airport, the airport we.
Speaker 6: Got off the plane. It was the craziest thing, and
Speaker 6: it was just it was so fun. I mean you
Speaker 6: can hear like, like I know, the show has been
Speaker 6: syndicated and streamed in every country in the world except
Speaker 6: for China, I ran, and one other one North Korea.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Really three places. I'm surprised.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you just you know, so there's like over
Speaker 6: a billion people that have watched most of the episodes
Speaker 6: of Full House.
Speaker 2: It's like one out of every eight people.
Speaker 4: It's a lot, that's why.
Speaker 6: And then to see all those happy faces, you know,
Speaker 6: they were happy, they really happy to see us, and.
Speaker 5: They were crying. They were so like they were so.
Speaker 3: Thrilled to see us in Japan. It was really amazing.
Speaker 1: I felt like the Beatles walking off the plane and
Speaker 1: everybody's like.
Speaker 5: Waiting to remember though.
Speaker 3: You got off the plane and you were like, oh no,
Speaker 3: and Cannie and I were like like I had like
Speaker 3: sort of like fixed it, and you were like, oh no,
Speaker 3: it's just almost like a thirteen hour flight hours like.
Speaker 2: I wasn't camera ready.
Speaker 3: No, no, it was definitely like oh sunglasses. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: am fascinated by how you got into the business originally.
Speaker 3: I think it's just such an interesting story how you
Speaker 3: started working on la Vernon surely and like sort.
Speaker 5: Of came up and.
Speaker 3: Wound up doing you know, this show, and like, you know,
Speaker 3: you created a family when you were such a young
Speaker 3: person that like that wasn't part of your experience.
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. I was.
Speaker 6: I was well at that point, I was thirty two,
Speaker 6: that's you know, I've never been married. I didn't have kids.
Speaker 6: My sisters didn't even have kids. At one point. I
Speaker 6: do have teaching credentials, and I thought, oh, I was
Speaker 6: going to be a teacher at one point, and then
Speaker 6: I did my student teaching and I taught first grade
Speaker 6: believe it or not, in ten weeks with you know,
Speaker 6: thirty first graders. Convinced me, you know, that's it. I'm
Speaker 6: not having children, know.
Speaker 5: That, Jeff.
Speaker 3: I also was going to be an elementary school teacher.
Speaker 3: That was when I got my undergrad degree, and I
Speaker 3: had no idea you.
Speaker 4: Were going to be in the teacher Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so but I you know, but I pivoted.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I was sort of the most least likely
Speaker 6: person to have created the show. And you know, it
Speaker 6: was sort of just a happy accident. But you know,
Speaker 6: my family life was not perfect by any means. And
Speaker 6: you know, I think there's a part of me that
Speaker 6: sort of wanted to create a family that an oddball
Speaker 6: family that I would you know, that I'd never quite
Speaker 6: got to be a part of, but would have loved
Speaker 6: to have been a part of. You know, I think,
Speaker 6: you know, my dad was very it was just that
Speaker 6: typical nineteen fifties leave it to Beaver dad, you know,
Speaker 6: with the suit and tie, disappears at seven in the
Speaker 6: morning and comes back at sixth night, and you know,
Speaker 6: the nice guy, you know, but not super emotional and
Speaker 6: war and all that stuff until much later in his
Speaker 6: life when he you know, he kind of discovered that
Speaker 6: side to him. But as a kid, you know, that
Speaker 6: was you know, that's maybe a part of it. You know,
Speaker 6: It's like having guys around that are you know, that
Speaker 6: are warm and affectionate and you know, I mean those
Speaker 6: those guys were not only these three guys were not
Speaker 6: only amazing people and actors, but they were you know,
Speaker 6: I mean they were watching them with you guys was
Speaker 6: just incredible. It was like, you know, this is this
Speaker 6: was perfect accidental perfect casting.
Speaker 3: I mean we've talked about that before when John was
Speaker 3: on the show and stuff too, and.
Speaker 5: We've talked about how, like, really you.
Speaker 3: Got three guys who were family guys, even though they
Speaker 3: didn't have families of their own yet and didn't have kids,
Speaker 3: but like they had that heart there, that that was
Speaker 3: who they were, and so it was like they got
Speaker 3: to I mean, I keep saying as we're watching the show,
Speaker 3: it's like I keep saying, the reason that people fell
Speaker 3: in love with it is because you're actually watching us
Speaker 3: all fall in love with each other, you know, and
Speaker 3: grow and learn and actually kind of weirdly become the
Speaker 3: people that are that were reflecting on screen in our
Speaker 3: own ways, and like it's it's I had no idea
Speaker 3: the impact and like sort of that real mirror reflection
Speaker 3: that we had between ourselves and those characters, and like.
Speaker 6: Especially the first you know, I mean it came across
Speaker 6: very authentic, even in the first episode. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: it didn't take long for this group to sort of
Speaker 6: fall in love with each other. You know, it wasn't like, oh,
Speaker 6: it wasn't until season four that you know, everybody sort
Speaker 6: of decided they liked each other, right, It was instant.
Speaker 6: You know, even those early episodes, which weren't you know,
Speaker 6: weren't great compared to you know, when we sort of
Speaker 6: figured out the show.
Speaker 2: Those early ones were a little rough.
Speaker 4: Sea Cruise.
Speaker 5: I was like, are we talking about episode three? Z?
Speaker 1: Do you remember Sea Cruise where the three guys go
Speaker 1: on a fishing boat to fish and a guy.
Speaker 2: That is the single worst episode.
Speaker 4: So we have it on record now that you think
Speaker 4: it's the worst too.
Speaker 6: I think it's the worst. It's definitely the worst show
Speaker 6: that I was a part of.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, and and and the running joke is
Speaker 3: that my mom had always been like that that third
Speaker 3: episode just was it was so out of pocket, it
Speaker 3: just seems so So that was like the running joke.
Speaker 3: When we watched that one. I was like, this is
Speaker 3: gene see worst worst episode, and now I can tell
Speaker 3: them guess what.
Speaker 2: No contest it was.
Speaker 6: It was some kind of full house fever dream.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were and there were a lot of those,
Speaker 3: but that was the first.
Speaker 2: And I can't argue that either. That was that was
Speaker 2: painful to rewatch.
Speaker 5: You know what, though, I having never watched the.
Speaker 2: Show, never watched the show, What do you mean when.
Speaker 5: I was a kid. I never watched. I mean I
Speaker 5: watched like the I've seen the pilot.
Speaker 3: I'd seen, like, you know, bits and pieces of scenes
Speaker 3: that I was in and the but I didn't watch.
Speaker 5: I never watched the show.
Speaker 1: And I watched a few episodes but not definitely short too.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't that I wasn't proud of it. It
Speaker 3: was I was a kid, and.
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, I did that already.
Speaker 3: I don't like, I know, I don't need to worry
Speaker 3: about it, and I'm not a big TV watcher.
Speaker 4: Well, but and being a child actor too.
Speaker 6: I never that must have been why I never heard
Speaker 6: from you saying why did you use take two instead
Speaker 6: of two?
Speaker 2: Three?
Speaker 5: Exactly? Now I've got notes. I'm going back and I
Speaker 5: have some Oh.
Speaker 4: We have we have pages and pages of notes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got thoughts.
Speaker 1: But as child actors do, we're we've spent so much
Speaker 1: I'm on the set, having a full time job and
Speaker 1: being in school full time that by the time the
Speaker 1: weekends came around, we didn't want to watch the show.
Speaker 4: We wanted to go hang out with our friends. So
Speaker 4: it was yeah, we had no reason to watch it
Speaker 4: until now, I.
Speaker 6: Actually love that, because you know, if you watch yourself,
Speaker 6: you start to critique yourself and start in your head,
Speaker 6: and I don't.
Speaker 5: Do that without watching myself.
Speaker 3: I'm actually pretty good at just being just being like
Speaker 3: this is terrible as it's going on.
Speaker 5: But no, it's true.
Speaker 3: And I think as a kid, it was like it
Speaker 3: was just more I enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: I loved it. It was fun. It didn't I didn't.
Speaker 3: Feel the need to like watch it back. I enjoyed
Speaker 3: the doing, not necessarily the end product.
Speaker 5: Like that was sort of.
Speaker 2: I guess, did your mom and dad's watch?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, my mom. Of course my mom would not
Speaker 3: miss it. My parents would not miss it. I mean,
Speaker 3: to this day, if I don't tell my mom that
Speaker 3: there's like a KTLA interview that I'm doing and she
Speaker 3: misses it, it's a thing.
Speaker 5: So yeah, she watched. She watched every episode at.
Speaker 4: My parents' house and they no longer. They don't live
Speaker 4: there anymore. My brother lives there.
Speaker 1: But at my parents' old house there's still VCR tapes.
Speaker 3: Yes, of every f under my parents bed is actually
Speaker 3: that I might have They finally might have given him
Speaker 3: to me and been like just take these please.
Speaker 5: But in VHS tapes that I had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you can't watch those anymore.
Speaker 5: They Yeah, I think I did.
Speaker 3: I had them transferred to DVD somewhere around twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: So yeah, at least those might hold up before you
Speaker 3: could just buy them, you know, at like best buy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, Jeff, is it true that Jody is the only
Speaker 1: cast member to not audition for Full House?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Oh okay, what's the truth.
Speaker 2: Then there's two of them? Oh, oh okay, Jody for sure?
Speaker 4: Jody for sure?
Speaker 6: Okay, because I've stumbled onto that a tape of her
Speaker 6: from Bowery h And that was your first job, right,
Speaker 6: the first It was my.
Speaker 5: First TV job.
Speaker 3: I had done commercials up until that point, but that
Speaker 3: was my first like TV job.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and it just I mean that was you know,
Speaker 6: that was that was one of the happiest days of
Speaker 6: my life.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, who is this girl?
Speaker 6: This is Shirley Temple incarnated incarnated But Shirley Temple is
Speaker 6: still alive, so how is this?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 6: That was shoe to you, you know, as there's nobody
Speaker 6: I've ever experienced that was so you know, at that age,
Speaker 6: that was thank you could not only just light up
Speaker 6: the screen, but was so you were so on top
Speaker 6: of everything.
Speaker 2: It was crazy.
Speaker 6: It was your life was upside down, like to have
Speaker 6: it together so much at age four and now look
Speaker 6: at you.
Speaker 3: Really right, it's true what happens just well, you know,
Speaker 3: you can only hold it together for so long.
Speaker 5: But it's still true.
Speaker 3: I can go on to set and like remember everything
Speaker 3: where everything was exactly. A mark of this is that
Speaker 3: I cannot leave my house without coming back in at
Speaker 3: least two to three times because I left my keys,
Speaker 3: my phone. I think like it, But on set it's
Speaker 3: I am just totally hyper focused and can remember everything.
Speaker 5: But I leave there and I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 5: my name. So yeah, so somethings haven't changed.
Speaker 2: Vision.
Speaker 6: After I saw the tape, I'm like, okay, you know,
Speaker 6: let's offer her the part. And I got nervous, like
Speaker 6: I had this vision of you, you know, at four
Speaker 6: years old, sitting behind a big desk, smoking a cigar,
Speaker 6: you know, reading this show.
Speaker 4: I mean I was, yeah, I started early, two is
Speaker 4: a week, I don't think.
Speaker 5: Basically it was the baby from Roger Rabbit.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 6: The things you could do at I mean, at age five,
Speaker 6: there was a show I don't know if you remember
Speaker 6: it really early on where everybody had chicken pox and
Speaker 6: you were trying to sneak out of the house. Yes,
Speaker 6: oh yes, And we wrote this. It was like a
Speaker 6: half page monologue for a five year old with all
Speaker 6: these twists and turns in it where you're trying to
Speaker 6: act like, you know, you're not Stephanie, but you know,
Speaker 6: I'm just sneaking out of the house. And and then
Speaker 6: the whole thing on wines and you see, you know,
Speaker 6: you just fall apart and the truth comes out.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a whole you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a major piece of act. Yeah, like the
Speaker 6: first day of rehearsal, you're off book and had it
Speaker 6: and it was just it was I never see anything
Speaker 6: like it anyway.
Speaker 2: Yes, Jody did an audition and then John Stamus did
Speaker 2: not audition.
Speaker 5: That's why he was so pissed im.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: He we just offered him the part. And then then
Speaker 6: I had a we had a lunch together.
Speaker 4: Okay, And I'm sure.
Speaker 6: I'm sure you guys read John's book, by the way,
Speaker 6: which is phenomenal.
Speaker 4: Yes, so great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had him on like the week the week
Speaker 3: after it came out, I think, and he was talking
Speaker 3: about it and we were just, yeah, I'm so proud
Speaker 3: of his journey and his writing.
Speaker 5: It was amazing.
Speaker 2: It's just mind blowing how good it is.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, I'm trying to write a book, and now
Speaker 6: I'm totally discouraged after reading John's book.
Speaker 2: It's like that.
Speaker 1: He's like, Wow, No, but you're you're an actual writer,
Speaker 1: so like you have the skill and the talent. John's
Speaker 1: was great, I have no doubt about that. But you've
Speaker 1: been writing your whole life, and so I think it's
Speaker 1: going to do this. You can absolutely do this. Will
Speaker 1: be the first in line to buy it, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: get it autographed and give it a there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well not with the lines that fan on that
Speaker 3: you got, you know what I mean? They have that
Speaker 3: done a little better.
Speaker 5: It might be given out.
Speaker 2: That's the point.
Speaker 1: So tell me how Okay, tell me the John Posey
Speaker 1: Bob Saggot because Bob Saggat wasn't the original Danny Tanner,
Speaker 1: so why not.
Speaker 4: What happened there?
Speaker 6: Well, that's you know, we every all the other roles
Speaker 6: fell into place beautifully, and I just couldn't find the
Speaker 6: right guy for Danny and I had when when the
Speaker 6: show was first picked up. I said to our casting directors,
Speaker 6: I said, I have two names on my list. You know,
Speaker 6: I want either Paul Reiser, a really hot actor at
Speaker 6: the time.
Speaker 2: Great, yeah, that would have been a big get. At
Speaker 2: that point, he was thinking about it.
Speaker 6: He was he was weighing either full House or this
Speaker 6: other show called My Two Dads, which you know that
Speaker 6: was the season of single dads, right right, I.
Speaker 2: Just came out.
Speaker 6: So there was another show on NBC that's the one
Speaker 6: Paul took. And I called you know, I knew him,
Speaker 6: I was. I called him up. I'm like, Paul, what
Speaker 6: are you doing? Like three dads are better than two?
Speaker 6: And we got three kids, you only got one, you know,
Speaker 6: And it was.
Speaker 5: My numbers alone were winning, So ye.
Speaker 2: Can't you see?
Speaker 6: And it was it's also kind of an unsavory premise
Speaker 6: to that show.
Speaker 2: It was weird, like the mother.
Speaker 6: Had had an accident sleeping with both those guys like
Speaker 6: thirteen years ago, and she and so both of them
Speaker 6: thought they were the dad, and they decided not to
Speaker 6: find out and just moved in together and raise the
Speaker 6: girl together. So yeah, it's a weird. It's a weird promise.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and it's also one of those things that
Speaker 3: now you'd be like, we'll just go to CVS and
Speaker 3: get one of this paternity test and we'll solve this.
Speaker 4: Get twenty three and me right, yeah then yeah anyway, and.
Speaker 5: Wow that.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 6: So, and the other name was Bob Saggott and I
Speaker 6: knew Bob from UH. I produced a show called Some Buddies.
Speaker 6: Bob Saggot was the warm up guy the audience and
Speaker 6: that's how I first met Bob. And uh, you know,
Speaker 6: because who else can talk.
Speaker 3: For three I'm gonna say that's the perfect It's amazing.
Speaker 3: Once you give him a microphone and there's a brief
Speaker 3: pause in action, he is gone, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was really it was hard to get him to
Speaker 2: stop talking.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, how to actually get to
Speaker 3: shooting when he was doing the warm up.
Speaker 2: I mean we would turn the bike off.
Speaker 3: And then that's I was going to say, yeah, that's yeah,
Speaker 3: and he'll still go be like it's not working.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh well I'll keep going. He couldn't possibly want
Speaker 6: me to stop talking. But yeah, And I even said
Speaker 6: to Bob, I go, you know, one of these days,
Speaker 6: you know, I hope we get to work together. I hope,
Speaker 6: you know, I would love to create a show someday
Speaker 6: and have you star in it, you know, And he's like,
Speaker 6: as long as I still get to do the warm up.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm pretty good at this.
Speaker 3: Is that why you always took the mic from Bob
Speaker 3: Purlough doing our targent.
Speaker 5: He just wanted to be the warm up guy.
Speaker 2: It's his dream job anyway.
Speaker 6: So so Bob couldn't do it because he was under
Speaker 6: contract to this CBS morning show and he was there
Speaker 6: man on the street guy. He eventually got fired for
Speaker 6: being Bob. He was just a little little too risque.
Speaker 3: First, I was gonna say, yeah, like I feel like
Speaker 3: Bob being given free reign to like, hey just go
Speaker 3: up to people on the street and like riff it
Speaker 3: just is a lot. No, yeah, we've made a mistake.
Speaker 6: So my first two choices were were unavailable. And then
Speaker 6: we started reading everyone in town and we're basically out
Speaker 6: of time, and I was kind of lobbying to like
Speaker 6: maybe wait, like let's not shoot it now, Let's wait
Speaker 6: till we have the right guy at the studio. Was
Speaker 6: very nervous, so like sometimes they just pull the plug
Speaker 6: and you never get to make it, and you know,
Speaker 6: so we found this guy, John Posey, who was a
Speaker 6: dramatic actor. He wasn't you know, he wasn't a comedian,
Speaker 6: he wasn't really hadn't done any comedies. Just a likable,
Speaker 6: sweet guy and a good actor, and you know, we
Speaker 6: just sort of ran out of time and everybody said, Okay,
Speaker 6: let's try this guy and hope for the best. And
Speaker 6: you know, it was fine, It was fine. It wasn't
Speaker 6: you know, nothing bad happened that the pilot tested through
Speaker 6: the roof. You know, he was probably he was the
Speaker 6: lowest testing character, but that's because the straight basically the
Speaker 6: straight man and surrounded my idiots.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so you know that was to be expected.
Speaker 6: And then the show gets picked up and there's pictures
Speaker 6: everywhere of the cast and John Posey's in them. And
Speaker 6: suddenly I get this call from Brad Bray, who was
Speaker 6: managed Bob Dave and Gary Shandling, like three really pivotal people.
Speaker 2: In my life.
Speaker 6: And Brad says, hey, you know, so you know, Bob's
Speaker 6: around in case, you know, just in case, you know,
Speaker 6: you want to go reshoot that pilot, you know, and
Speaker 6: you know, I knew what he was saying, and saying,
Speaker 6: Bob would really like to do this if there's any way,
Speaker 6: And so I arranged for a secret chemistry test on
Speaker 6: the Perfect Stranger stage with Michelle Dall and John.
Speaker 2: And Dave and we shot a se I wish I
Speaker 2: had it. I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's probably somewhere one of my brothers probably hasn't, but.
Speaker 2: You know, and it was it was fine.
Speaker 6: But there were just a couple of moments where Bob,
Speaker 6: you know, had this spark, and it makes such a
Speaker 6: difference to have somebody who's really funny things really funny.
Speaker 2: You know, Bob had no heat. Bob was not a
Speaker 2: star yet.
Speaker 6: You know, he was just a guy, you know, on
Speaker 6: the circuit trying to trying to get going. But uh,
Speaker 6: I just felt like he could be one of those
Speaker 6: TV dads you know.
Speaker 2: He was he was.
Speaker 6: He had this cuteness and sweetness and likability and you know,
Speaker 6: he really like clicked all the boxes for me, and
Speaker 6: I just you know, So then I started lobbying. You know,
Speaker 6: I'm like, I know this is crazy, but we got
Speaker 6: to do this all over again. We gotta we got
Speaker 6: to make a change. I mean, we've got to spend
Speaker 6: a million dollars. We I mean it was. People looked
Speaker 6: at me like I had lost my mind, and I
Speaker 6: just was relentless. I just didn't give up. And it
Speaker 6: sucks because you know, we had to let somebody go
Speaker 6: and break their heart.
Speaker 2: And he was.
Speaker 6: He's been a working actor for you know after that.
Speaker 6: But still, you know.
Speaker 3: What a horrible hor Oh it's the worst as an
Speaker 3: actor when you're like, yeah, that was almost Did.
Speaker 4: You have to have that? Did you have the conversation
Speaker 4: with John Posey?
Speaker 1: Did you have to fire him yourself or did you
Speaker 1: send a producer to do it?
Speaker 2: Talked to his agent and his agent told him no,
Speaker 2: that was was.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Like five years later, I had hanging with mister Cooper
Speaker 6: on the air and I actually gave John. I was
Speaker 6: scared of death, but I wanted to do something nice
Speaker 6: for him all those years. It's kind of weird to
Speaker 6: have him on Full House, but I had him on
Speaker 6: that show. Oh good, sir, It's like I get it,
Speaker 6: you know, all good, Thanks for thanks for the three liner.
Speaker 2: You know.
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