WEBVTT - Some time with… Jeff Franklin (Part 1) 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.560 Our guest today is someone I like to call the 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.720 heartbeat of Full House. He is the man who made 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.200 a pivot in a pitch room and ended up creating 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.400 one of the most iconic family sitcoms of all time, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:33.159 and we are eternally grateful to him for bringing together 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:37.080 our Full House family. Please welcome the one and only 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:39.640 mister Jeff Franklin to the show. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.400 How long is? How long do we do? I have 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:42.879 to do this? 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.639 See, we're gonna hold hostage right and the torment has 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.440 finally turned around. No, we're so excited to have you 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:52.920 on this show though, Jeff, I love this. 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.760 Jeff, Welcome to How Rude Tan Rito's. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:57.600 Did we start? 0:00:57.760 --> 0:00:58.160 We start? 0:00:58.240 --> 0:00:58.440 Yeah? 0:00:58.480 --> 0:00:59.040 It's this is that? 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.760 Yeah, it's just like to jump right in and uh 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:02.959 and run. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.919 It's a big adrenaline adrenaline rush, just like you're on action. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.280 Wow, guys, don't mess around. 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:11.080 We don't mess around. 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.720 But Jeff, the last time we saw you, I think 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:18.560 was in Tampa in September for nineties con Is that 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.600 the last time the three of us were together. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:22.360 I think so. I think so. 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:23.360 Yeah, I think so. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:24.400 And that was September. 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:26.760 That was your first fan convention. 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:33.880 As I have great pictures of mobs of people in 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.880 front of everyone else's table, and then my area is 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:42.959 like it's like a desert tumbling through. Uh, it's it 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:43.839 was pretty funny. 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.760 Well, I know, just send people over to your table, Jeff. 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:49.200 It was. 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.720 You know, there were a few people, a few people 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.559 who came by with specscribs and good see. 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:56.520 They were very excited. 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.840 Does it have just said that you were one of 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:02.960 the like you were a long lost Olsen or something, 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:08.680 and you and and nobody would have known the difference and. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.760 Made up something. I was like, cousin, Fred, don't you Yeah, sure. 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.200 The real fans know who I am. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.480 Yeah, Jeff, are you surprised still that, thirty six years later, 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.520 we still have such a devoted fan base that shows 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.359 up to these conventions and listens to these podcasts. 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:28.240 It is, It is a little surprising, but it's all. 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.520 What we had on that show, honestly, was was something 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.639 that was really captured lighting in a bottle. I mean, 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:39.400 it had was It's really a special, special group of people, 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:44.120 and and we did something that was never done before. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:50.320 We actually raised an infant on television and no one 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:51.200 had ever done that. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.560 Oh wow, Yeah, it would skip you'd have like a 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.519 baby and then like halfway through the season you were like, 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.840 oh my god, it's a toddler, or you know, or 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.440 they just aged. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:02.200 Like a five years old. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:07.880 Yeah, uh yeah, we actually we did that, and that 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.960 alone makes the show unique. But the fact that we had, 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.320 you know, the most amazing kids on that show. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.480 Whose idea was it to do it that way and 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.920 to not or was it just the fact that, like 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.560 the that Ashley Mary Kate sort of gelled so well 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.040 with the rest of the cast that it was like this, 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.919 there's obvious chemistry or was it an intentional thing? Were 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.400 you like, no, we want to see what happens if 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:31.760 you do this? 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:37.040 Well, I you know, I was just naive. I had 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:38.280 no idea what I was doing. 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:38.920 You know. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.080 Now there's there's I think would be good if there's 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.280 three kids, but even better if I only have to 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:44.640 write dialogue for. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:45.160 Two of them. 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:46.800 There you go, that's smart. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:51.480 Yeah, yeah, so you know, uh and three, that movie 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.480 Three Men and a Baby was coming out that time, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.040 and I think it was just in the air, and uh, 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.920 you know, I really wrote it in without thinking anything 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.320 about the consequences, you know, not thinking this show was 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.280 ever going to sell or. 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:08.240 Turn into anything. 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.160 And next thing, I know, I've got you know, got 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:12.440 screaming babies on the set. 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:17.440 Yeah, but no regrets, no regrets about adding kids to 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.800 the show. Right, there was kids and dogs, kids, kids 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:21.640 and dogs. 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.040 It's in dogs, Golden Retrievers. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:25.040 Yeah. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.359 So it wasn't always meant to be a family show. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:27.880 Right. 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.520 You had a different idea in mind when you went 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:31.559 to pitch this show. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:33.040 Tell us that story. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.720 That's a weird story, how this happened. 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.839 I mean, I don't I can tell it now, but 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.279 I you know, for years I didn't really tell the 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.400 real story of you know, whole House. I had another 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.520 speech where that made me sound really smart, where I 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.800 talk about how, you know, there's this myth that every 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.120 family in America has a mom and a dad and 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.520 two point three kids, and you know it was this wonderful, 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.000 you know, family unit, and the truth is that, you know, 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.440 that wasn't the case. Most kids were growing up in 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.880 single parent homes and we're either you know, divorced, or 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:14.279 they were living with relatives or friends, or you know, 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.040 there's all sorts of weird families out there, and those 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.960 kids had, you know, had no role models. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:21.520 You know they were there. 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:26.120 Weren't those kinds of oddball families on television, So you know, 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.640 wouldn't it be great to have a show that, you know, 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.440 that made those kids feel good? And it's not about 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.600 you know, it's not about who you live with. It's 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.320 about you know, are you are they loved? You know, 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:41.200 are they fully supported? So anyway, that was that was 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.160 the speech I gave. But that's really not how Full 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:44.880 House happened. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.320 But that was the speech you would have given had 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:48.840 you had time to prepare it. 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.240 And well I gave that speech for years. Why I 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:53.719 can just rattle it off. 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.800 But that was your acceptance speech if we had right. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:57.960 Yeah, that's what I mean. 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.400 It was the speech you wrote after, not the heat 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.040 of the moment, right right, right speech. 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.279 I just do it night by myself. Yeah, thank you. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.640 We all have those. Every single person in the world 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:09.440 has that speech. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:14.320 So No. I actually was in a weird dispute with 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.360 lor Mar. They had I was there as under a 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.960 screenwriting deal and they decided to get out of the 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:24.160 movie business through no fault of mind, but they put 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.440 out about six losers in a row and lost a 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.479 billion dollars and said, oh, let's just concentrate on television 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.280 where we're making all this money. So they I had 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:34.919 to deal with them, and they didn't want to pay me. 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.920 They wanted to They just wanted me to go work 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.000 on the TV side. And I said, no, I'm I'm 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.360 not a sitcom guy anymore. I'm a movie guy. 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.800 I just had a couple of movies come out, and 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.279 so we went back and forth, and finally they said, 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.400 all right, just pitch something, pitch a show for us, 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.480 and if it doesn't sell, we'll pay you. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:55.279 And fine. 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.320 So I really wasn't crazy about working for that company. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.520 And I thought, let me just figure out a show 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:06.080 that won't sell, and let me come up with the 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.800 worst idea ever for a sitcom. And I came up 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:13.960 with this idea that now would be is really smart, 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:18.200 Like somebody can take this and sell it in a heartbeat. 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.080 I came up with this thing out of comics, and 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.640 wouldn't it be fun to find three up and coming 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.520 young guys and put them in a house together and 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.440 let them play themselves, you know, And this is nineteen 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.080 eighty six, where there's no shows like that, nothing like 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.320 that exists. Now everybody's a star and they can make 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.000 a show about anyone, and you know, reality is everywhere, 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:43.640 but back. 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:44.840 Then that didn't exist. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.679 So I had a meeting with Laura More and they're like, Okay, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:49.400 what do you want to pitch? 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.120 I said, well, it's about three. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.920 Guys who were going to cast and they're going to 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:57.160 live in a house and they're going to try to 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.480 make it a stand up comics. Okay, well, who are 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.680 the characters? Like, I don't know whoever we cast? Well, 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.200 what are the stories? I don't know whatever's going on 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:12.160 in their lives? So that's all you got. I'm like, yeah, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.240 well this pitch is only going to last thirty seconds. 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:22.080 I can do it in twelve. And they are looking 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.440 at me like what who is this guy? 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.840 What? This is someone professional? 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.600 So they call me back and they're like, well, ABC 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.600 wants to meet with you, but you know, they really 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.400 want a family show. Can you take this half baked 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.640 idea of yours and turn it into you know, a 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:44.079 normal show? And you know they it's like, ohh, I 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.200 don't know. I guess I could. I didn't really want it. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.480 And that sort of evolved in the three guys and 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.960 then one's a widower and then there's kids, in the House, 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:58.120 and then the three comics morphed into one comic and 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.440 two other guys, and it just, you know, it's a 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.840 series of of okay, okay, all right, you know, and 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.320 they were kind of pushing me to do a traditional 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.520 sitcom and it just sort of morphed into in the 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.839 Full House, and somewhere along the line, I just went, oh, 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.320 this is this is good, This is a fun idea, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.720 This actually could be a cool show, and you know, 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.079 my whole attitude kind of flipped. But in the beginning, 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:25.800 I was just trying to come up with something that 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:27.000 was terrible. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.280 Well, and there may be some critics out there that 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:31.040 said that you. 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:32.040 Did through. 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:41.280 Mission accomplished in both ways a success. 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:42.640 That's so funny. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:44.959 Yeah, I've got a big I've got a big drawer 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:46.760 full of reviews that that. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:48.400 Yeah, that proved that. 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.800 And you and you have and you also have a 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:57.640 lovely house full of proof. So yes, one drawer of reviews, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.160 a whole hill worth of proof. 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:05.800 Yeah, somebody was nice enough to give me some money 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:06.040 at the. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.480 End of I mean, look, you know what you really like. 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:11.680 And I hear this all the time from fans. 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:16.360 Though, like you created a show that raised like a 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:17.480 generation of. 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:23.720 Kids of people and like and now has done it 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:27.680 all over the world. I mean, you know going to 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:32.480 Japan was it is incredible? 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.480 Was yeah? Was that? What was that like for you 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:36.240 to realize? 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.400 Like, I mean, I know for us it was like, 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.680 oh my god, like going to another country is mind blowing. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.040 But like as the person who sort of has shepherded 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.400 this whole thing, like when you see it go out 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.160 into the world like that, like I can't imagine what 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.959 that feels like to sort of have that effect. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.199 You know. Every now and then I would have a 0:10:55.400 --> 0:11:00.440 little a little hint, like I'd be in uh, France 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.920 and some little small town and I'd go into some 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.240 cafe and I'd give them my credit card and suddenly 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:10.200 somebody would be like not Jeff Franklin from you know whatever, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.320 and you know, in the middle of nowhere, I'm getting 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.160 free food and people are taking pictures, and you know. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.920 It was just like what how did how is it possible? 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.680 But that Japan trip was was shocking because that was 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.679 the first time I was actually you know, that was 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.520 it was like little you know, I don't know if 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.800 it was staged or what, but there was like pandemonium 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:34.080 at the. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:35.839 At the airport, the airport we. 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:39.080 Got off the plane. It was the craziest thing, and 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.240 it was just it was so fun. I mean you 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:46.040 can hear like, like I know, the show has been 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:51.200 syndicated and streamed in every country in the world except 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:57.880 for China, I ran, and one other one North Korea. 0:11:58.600 --> 0:11:58.960 Yeah. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.439 Really three places. I'm surprised. 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.680 Yeah, but you just you know, so there's like over 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.840 a billion people that have watched most of the episodes 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:13.400 of Full House. 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.000 It's like one out of every eight people. 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:16.720 It's a lot, that's why. 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.840 And then to see all those happy faces, you know, 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.720 they were happy, they really happy to see us, and. 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.079 They were crying. They were so like they were so. 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.040 Thrilled to see us in Japan. It was really amazing. 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.760 I felt like the Beatles walking off the plane and 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:33.520 everybody's like. 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:34.679 Waiting to remember though. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.679 You got off the plane and you were like, oh no, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.880 and Cannie and I were like like I had like 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:42.599 sort of like fixed it, and you were like, oh no, 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:47.600 it's just almost like a thirteen hour flight hours like. 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.240 I wasn't camera ready. 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:55.679 No, no, it was definitely like oh sunglasses. Yeah, I 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.960 am fascinated by how you got into the business originally. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.320 I think it's just such an interesting story how you 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.640 started working on la Vernon surely and like sort. 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:06.880 Of came up and. 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:13.880 Wound up doing you know, this show, and like, you know, 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:18.480 you created a family when you were such a young 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.880 person that like that wasn't part of your experience. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.320 No, no, not at all. I was. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.520 I was well at that point, I was thirty two, 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:34.000 that's you know, I've never been married. I didn't have kids. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:38.679 My sisters didn't even have kids. At one point. I 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.800 do have teaching credentials, and I thought, oh, I was 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.360 going to be a teacher at one point, and then 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.040 I did my student teaching and I taught first grade 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:51.160 believe it or not, in ten weeks with you know, 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.079 thirty first graders. Convinced me, you know, that's it. I'm 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.199 not having children, know. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:57.680 That, Jeff. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:59.880 I also was going to be an elementary school teacher. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:01.840 That was when I got my undergrad degree, and I 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:02.640 had no idea you. 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.720 Were going to be in the teacher Wow. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.640 Yeah, yeah, so but I you know, but I pivoted. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:14.040 But yeah, I was sort of the most least likely 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.280 person to have created the show. And you know, it 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:21.360 was sort of just a happy accident. But you know, 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:25.000 my family life was not perfect by any means. And 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.680 you know, I think there's a part of me that 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:32.360 sort of wanted to create a family that an oddball 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.200 family that I would you know, that I'd never quite 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.280 got to be a part of, but would have loved 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.520 to have been a part of. You know, I think, 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.480 you know, my dad was very it was just that 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:48.040 typical nineteen fifties leave it to Beaver dad, you know, 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.640 with the suit and tie, disappears at seven in the 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.040 morning and comes back at sixth night, and you know, 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:59.720 the nice guy, you know, but not super emotional and 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.040 war and all that stuff until much later in his 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.760 life when he you know, he kind of discovered that 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.440 side to him. But as a kid, you know, that 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.200 was you know, that's maybe a part of it. You know, 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.640 It's like having guys around that are you know, that 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.680 are warm and affectionate and you know, I mean those 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.360 those guys were not only these three guys were not 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:26.000 only amazing people and actors, but they were you know, 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.080 I mean they were watching them with you guys was 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:34.200 just incredible. It was like, you know, this is this 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.480 was perfect accidental perfect casting. 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.400 I mean we've talked about that before when John was 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:41.720 on the show and stuff too, and. 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:45.960 We've talked about how, like, really you. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:51.680 Got three guys who were family guys, even though they 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.760 didn't have families of their own yet and didn't have kids, 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.760 but like they had that heart there, that that was 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.320 who they were, and so it was like they got 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.600 to I mean, I keep saying as we're watching the show, 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.360 it's like I keep saying, the reason that people fell 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.840 in love with it is because you're actually watching us 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.440 all fall in love with each other, you know, and 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.360 grow and learn and actually kind of weirdly become the 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.520 people that are that were reflecting on screen in our 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.800 own ways, and like it's it's I had no idea 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.120 the impact and like sort of that real mirror reflection 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.480 that we had between ourselves and those characters, and like. 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:36.120 Especially the first you know, I mean it came across 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.920 very authentic, even in the first episode. Yeah, you know, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.920 it didn't take long for this group to sort of 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.040 fall in love with each other. You know, it wasn't like, oh, 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.040 it wasn't until season four that you know, everybody sort 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.520 of decided they liked each other, right, It was instant. 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.920 You know, even those early episodes, which weren't you know, 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.440 weren't great compared to you know, when we sort of 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:04.879 figured out the show. 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.520 Those early ones were a little rough. 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:08.240 Sea Cruise. 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:10.960 I was like, are we talking about episode three? Z? 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.679 Do you remember Sea Cruise where the three guys go 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.440 on a fishing boat to fish and a guy. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.760 That is the single worst episode. 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:20.640 So we have it on record now that you think 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:21.840 it's the worst too. 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.720 I think it's the worst. It's definitely the worst show 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:25.720 that I was a part of. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:32.080 Okay, okay, yeah, and and and the running joke is 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.720 that my mom had always been like that that third 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.080 episode just was it was so out of pocket, it 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.399 just seems so So that was like the running joke. 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:40.680 When we watched that one. I was like, this is 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.119 gene see worst worst episode, and now I can tell 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:44.880 them guess what. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.600 No contest it was. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:53.719 It was some kind of full house fever dream. 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.080 Yeah, there were and there were a lot of those, 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:57.280 but that was the first. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:04.000 And I can't argue that either. That was that was 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:05.840 painful to rewatch. 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.240 You know what, though, I having never watched the. 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:14.000 Show, never watched the show, What do you mean when. 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.240 I was a kid. I never watched. I mean I 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.160 watched like the I've seen the pilot. 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.680 I'd seen, like, you know, bits and pieces of scenes 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.280 that I was in and the but I didn't watch. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:24.440 I never watched the show. 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:30.760 And I watched a few episodes but not definitely short too. 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.199 But it wasn't that I wasn't proud of it. It 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:35.840 was I was a kid, and. 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:36.960 I was like, yeah, I did that already. 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:38.880 I don't like, I know, I don't need to worry 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.040 about it, and I'm not a big TV watcher. 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.200 Well, but and being a child actor too. 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.440 I never that must have been why I never heard 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.679 from you saying why did you use take two instead 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:47.879 of two? 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:48.200 Three? 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.159 Exactly? Now I've got notes. I'm going back and I 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:52.280 have some Oh. 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.639 We have we have pages and pages of notes. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:55.879 Yeah, I've got thoughts. 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.880 But as child actors do, we're we've spent so much 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.600 I'm on the set, having a full time job and 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.040 being in school full time that by the time the 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:07.960 weekends came around, we didn't want to watch the show. 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.600 We wanted to go hang out with our friends. So 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.520 it was yeah, we had no reason to watch it 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:14.800 until now, I. 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.800 Actually love that, because you know, if you watch yourself, 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.879 you start to critique yourself and start in your head, 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:23.000 and I don't. 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:24.200 Do that without watching myself. 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.760 I'm actually pretty good at just being just being like 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.520 this is terrible as it's going on. 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:31.000 But no, it's true. 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.760 And I think as a kid, it was like it 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.439 was just more I enjoyed it. 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.240 I loved it. It was fun. It didn't I didn't. 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.040 Feel the need to like watch it back. I enjoyed 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.320 the doing, not necessarily the end product. 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:45.080 Like that was sort of. 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.160 I guess, did your mom and dad's watch? 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:47.320 Oh? 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.600 Yeah, yeah, my mom. Of course my mom would not 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:52.560