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Speaker 1: It is Wedndesay, October thirty of twenty nineteen, season fifteen,
Speaker 1: episode number seventy two. Welcome to it the latest edition
Speaker 1: of The Break. We are live from the s WBC
Speaker 1: Morgan Studios at the Star. Got a lot to get
Speaker 1: into today, some news from yesterday. We'll kind of recap um,
Speaker 1: and then we'll get into the New York Giant offense.
Speaker 1: The news that wasn't yeah right, A lot of build
Speaker 1: up for it. I mean, I think we were obviously
Speaker 1: a part of that that build up because we started
Speaker 1: talking about it and and I'm sure it kind of
Speaker 1: that kind of fueled fans a little bit. But the
Speaker 1: point is, it was a lot of stuff to talk
Speaker 1: about yesterday with regards to Jamal Adams, and it ultimately
Speaker 1: nothing came of it, but it was still a lot
Speaker 1: of fun it was definitely a lot of fun, but
Speaker 1: really depending yeah, it was fun for me. I had
Speaker 1: a good time with it, not me because all night
Speaker 1: and I would think about it. It felt like one
Speaker 1: of those losses, like the Cowboys just lost the game
Speaker 1: because you're like, they were so close to becoming a
Speaker 1: super Bowl contender like that, maybe even a favorite to
Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl. In my opinion, I really
Speaker 1: think that that would have got them over the top
Speaker 1: and it didn't happen based off of a second or
Speaker 1: third round pick. They didn't give it whatever it was.
Speaker 1: It's like, man, they were close from getting a lot
Speaker 1: better in five minutes, hard to get better in five minutes,
Speaker 1: and that I think they could have been see that.
Speaker 1: I don't know all those stories I see. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hear you, and you know it's it's conflicting because
Speaker 1: you're right, like what you just said is true. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, like what if I told you
Speaker 1: could win a big, big game that puts you in,
Speaker 1: you know, pole position for the bye week in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: number one scene home field throughout, but you're gonna lose
Speaker 1: three of your best players. Would you take that? I don't,
Speaker 1: because that's the one we're going with. It's going to
Speaker 1: cost you a first and two seconds reportedly, or maybe
Speaker 1: two firsts. So your hand string. You're hamstringing not just one,
Speaker 1: but two of your next drafts to do that, and
Speaker 1: that I mean, that's come back and say, well, I'll
Speaker 1: just go without Tristan Hill. Then okay, I'll come back
Speaker 1: and say, all right, you can't have Layton vander esh
Speaker 1: and Michael Gallup either. Okay, I mean, but tank or
Speaker 1: Tank or Jalen Smith, you know, I mean, we keep
Speaker 1: going with the second rounds. I mean, well, the ones
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about were much longer, but go ahead,
Speaker 1: I'll I mean, I get your point. Yeah, But but
Speaker 1: you are You've been trying to get safety, and now
Speaker 1: you don't have to get a safety. So I mean
Speaker 1: you have a safety for the next hopefully four to
Speaker 1: five six years. I mean you have. You finally got one,
Speaker 1: and you stole one. You stole a number six overall
Speaker 1: pick because you're getting one with a late first round pick,
Speaker 1: and you had to throw in some other picks in
Speaker 1: there as well. It's right on the borderline of it
Speaker 1: really is right on the borderline of whether or not
Speaker 1: I would have done it like you could you could
Speaker 1: have talked me into it. I said that on Twitter yesterday.
Speaker 1: I was like, if this, if this reported price is accurate,
Speaker 1: you probably could have talked me into it. But I
Speaker 1: can't sit here and kill the Cowboys for not being
Speaker 1: willing to give up three picks that are that valuable,
Speaker 1: not when we've seen what they can do with them.
Speaker 1: And that's cool if you're pissed off about Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: their track record speaks for itself. Yeah. To me though,
Speaker 1: and I know that people don't like to say this,
Speaker 1: but I mean if you're losing a second round pick
Speaker 1: and then maybe another second round pick, I mean that's
Speaker 1: basically what it is, because you you can't overlook the
Speaker 1: fact that you're getting a first round player, right, but
Speaker 1: you're giving up that first rounder so that you look
Speaker 1: at and you're like, yeah, you probably did okay there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the problem becomes now you've given up reportedly two more
Speaker 1: second round picks, and that's where you and I were
Speaker 1: walking down this path a little bit earlier before the show,
Speaker 1: and my thought was, okay, yeah, you just you secure
Speaker 1: your safety position for a while, is what you think.
Speaker 1: But what are you not going to do? At cornerback,
Speaker 1: where you've got some question marks on the future. Right,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do at defensive tackle where you've
Speaker 1: got some question marks at on the future? What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do at defensive end? Well, you've got some
Speaker 1: question marks on the future. It's nice to say, well,
Speaker 1: we'll just have to go out and find those guys,
Speaker 1: but you've just hamstrung yourself because the picks where you
Speaker 1: could get better players, and I know you can go
Speaker 1: to third, fourth, fifth round and maybe maybe get one.
Speaker 1: The problem is for every round you go down, it
Speaker 1: becomes it becomes exponentially harder to find a player that's
Speaker 1: actually gonna be able to step in and be a
Speaker 1: good player for you. This team has twenty eight guys
Speaker 1: entering unrestricted free agency at the end of the season,
Speaker 1: and many twenty eight. Yeah, and not all of those
Speaker 1: are guys that they're going to care about losing, obviously,
Speaker 1: but some of them are. A decent number of them are.
Speaker 1: And that's I get it. Like I said, it's it's
Speaker 1: tough to call because, like you want to push your
Speaker 1: chips in and this is a talented team. You got
Speaker 1: a short window until all these cap hits start to
Speaker 1: come home and he could put you over the top.
Speaker 1: But what if you don't win that Super Bowl? What
Speaker 1: if what if they get to the second round and
Speaker 1: lose in disappointing fashion again, and then you you're losing
Speaker 1: guys in free agency, maybe you're changing coaches, And then
Speaker 1: you're sitting there thinking, we don't pick until pick number
Speaker 1: ninety five. We're waiting until pick ninety five to add
Speaker 1: somebody to this roster. And that's cool that we have
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams, but we got other needs too, because MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins left in free agency, Robert Quinn left in free agency,
Speaker 1: Byron Jones is on a franchise tag. We don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen there, on and on and on
Speaker 1: and on and on. All of those problems are going
Speaker 1: to be fixed by your second rounder that you can
Speaker 1: no but maybe one of them will right maybe, But
Speaker 1: but but you also had for draft twenty twenty third overall,
Speaker 1: twenty fourth overall. I mean, who are you guaranteeing that
Speaker 1: is going to play well? Not necessarily, but the point
Speaker 1: is that means now it's even lower than that. So
Speaker 1: the chances that we already know the chances of getting
Speaker 1: that guy at the end of the first round is
Speaker 1: not as good as getting at the top of the
Speaker 1: first round. So if that's hard, how much hard is
Speaker 1: it getting them late second, late third, late fourth, late fifth.
Speaker 1: I mean, for every round you go down, it is
Speaker 1: infinite and it is more hard. Is much harder to
Speaker 1: find a replacement player. You know, Well, we're arguing about
Speaker 1: stuff we don't know about. We I mean, if if
Speaker 1: we had a deal on the table, that we could
Speaker 1: sit there and go, this is the deal, but we don't.
Speaker 1: I mean the report from yeah, I think it was
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport and Jane Slayter combined on it. The report
Speaker 1: was that it's a first and two seconds. I don't
Speaker 1: know one hundred percent if that's true. We heard. We
Speaker 1: also heard another report was that it was a little
Speaker 1: bit less than Jalen Ramsey's price, which was two firsts
Speaker 1: and a fourth. So I don't know. The truth is
Speaker 1: probably in there somewhere. It would have been quite a
Speaker 1: haul of premium draft pick. I will just say this,
Speaker 1: if the report is true of the one in two seconds,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you, Dave that with a with
Speaker 1: a little bit of pressure, it's right, you might have
Speaker 1: been able to talk me into it's right. But yes,
Speaker 1: we were talking about this on the show. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, when you guys first said I'd do one
Speaker 1: in a two, my first thought was, oh boy, that's
Speaker 1: that's pricey. One in the four sign me up all
Speaker 1: day every now, but you're one of the three sign
Speaker 1: me up all day every day. One of the two
Speaker 1: gets to that point where I'm kind of like, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: I don't know that's that's tough. But I could have
Speaker 1: been persuaded just for what Nick is saying, which is
Speaker 1: you get the premier safety in the in the game,
Speaker 1: and getting the premier safety in the game matters, right,
Speaker 1: It certainly matters. I'm not sitting here trying to like
Speaker 1: defend the company line. I don't think there's a wrong
Speaker 1: answer to this. I think Nick is Nick is justified
Speaker 1: to be frustrated if if you think that he can
Speaker 1: really do all that for you. But it's their job
Speaker 1: to think about two, three, four years in the future
Speaker 1: as well. And again, with all these contracts you gotta pay,
Speaker 1: you need draft picks to replace some of that production
Speaker 1: that you're losing. That's the way this works. So Man,
Speaker 1: as an LSU alum nobody would be more excited than
Speaker 1: me if Jamal Adams was on this team, but I
Speaker 1: understand their hesitation. If that was indeed the price. Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna put a pin in this conversation because in
Speaker 1: the next what I don't know how many months, when
Speaker 1: you get to free agency, that's honestly, I mean, and
Speaker 1: the period opens again where teams can negotiate, maybe this
Speaker 1: comes back around and maybe there's something I don't know
Speaker 1: is you know, that's the thing about that's what I
Speaker 1: love about the NFL and what I loved about yesterday.
Speaker 1: I know you said it wasn't fun for you. It
Speaker 1: was fun for me, just because that's a fun part
Speaker 1: about being an NFL fan is when you have some
Speaker 1: when they're actual trades that are happening, then it allows
Speaker 1: you to think about your team in a whole different
Speaker 1: way and say, man, what if what if we could
Speaker 1: get this guy? What if we could get this guy?
Speaker 1: How much better would it make us? And it just
Speaker 1: makes it fun. It makes the whole thing fun, you know.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I said that yesterday. I was like, regardless
Speaker 1: of what does or doesn't happen, I love that the
Speaker 1: trade deadline is a thing now and but some people
Speaker 1: came back and me like, no, it's not like nothing's
Speaker 1: getting done. I'm like, just because nothing's happening at the
Speaker 1: wire doesn't mean things aren't happening. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of trades. You saw Brandon Peters get shipped. You saw
Speaker 1: obviously Jalen Ramsey. Um they sent a keep tell leave
Speaker 1: to Miami yesterday. They did they send slay out of
Speaker 1: Detroit or was it no quads they sent out of Detroit?
Speaker 1: I mean there was Leonard Williams was another one. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of deals. And you know, even three
Speaker 1: years ago, I would have been like, shut up about
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams or you know, not gonna happen. It's just
Speaker 1: it won't happen. And now that is that's clearly not true.
Speaker 1: And that's that's fun for everybody, even if it didn't
Speaker 1: happen for the Cowboys this year. And the fact is,
Speaker 1: the reports are that there was lots of conversation. So
Speaker 1: the point that there was conversation meant that there were
Speaker 1: people that were willing to do deals. It just never
Speaker 1: could come to a conclusion that seems like it would
Speaker 1: have worked for for both sides. That's just the nature
Speaker 1: of negotiation. All right, we appreciate you guys. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and take a break. We're gonna take a break.
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Speaker 1: Back to the Break, Welcome back. It is the second
Speaker 1: segment of The Break live from the SWBC Mortgage studios.
Speaker 1: At the start, let's get into a little bit of
Speaker 1: quick news here before we jump to the New York Giants.
Speaker 1: Dave's got his scouting court for us on the Giants offense.
Speaker 1: But today we find out Cowboys lost cornerback Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: He was signed to the active roster for the Detroit
Speaker 1: Lions from the Cowboys practice squad, and normally you don't
Speaker 1: that really doesn't take much conversation. But the reason why
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring it up to you guys is
Speaker 1: because I think Michael Jackson was a player the Cowboys
Speaker 1: obviously liked. He was okay in training camp this year.
Speaker 1: I mean, for a rookie, there were some moments that
Speaker 1: he had. But when you look at the cornerback position,
Speaker 1: and you look at this, as I mentioned a little earlier,
Speaker 1: the uncertainty of that position, how much does this kind
Speaker 1: to move affect the Cowboys going into the future where
Speaker 1: they may be looking at this thing saying, hey, we
Speaker 1: need that depth. We expect him to be better next year.
Speaker 1: We really were looking to have that depth around, but
Speaker 1: we just don't have the room to make them a
Speaker 1: part of our active roster. I think if they would
Speaker 1: really wanted them, they could have protected them, especially when
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago they had injuries at corner,
Speaker 1: some uncertainties there. You know, they could have maybe used him.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, just like we talked about with
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, Eagles try to get Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin and then they kind was said, now we're gonna
Speaker 1: make room for him. They could have found a way
Speaker 1: to make room if they really wanted them. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they would have liked to keep them, but you know,
Speaker 1: you can't keep everyone, and that's why you expose them
Speaker 1: when you put them on practical one. Nick, make the
Speaker 1: joke that you told me earlier. I don't want to
Speaker 1: steal your joke. Michael Jackson going back to Motown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's perfect. Well, I didn't know, honestly. I was like,
Speaker 1: I thought it was from that area. Well, he's from Indiana,
Speaker 1: the singers from Indiana. But like Motown Records is in Detroit, right.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good. I mean it the narrative
Speaker 1: was that you were drafting this guy to kind of develop,
Speaker 1: and he fits for Shard's mold and he can be
Speaker 1: there for you. It just it didn't pan out. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, it's hard to feel like
Speaker 1: they got bambooz old or anything, because if they really
Speaker 1: wanted to protect him, they could have. I will say
Speaker 1: it's early, it's you know, it's October of their rookie year.
Speaker 1: But this draft class is not off to a great start.
Speaker 1: It's just not the and and Jackson is the you
Speaker 1: don't have a first round. Well, it's a difference, yeah,
Speaker 1: because when they start reaching sometimes when they don't have
Speaker 1: that first round, that's what that's the mistakes that talked
Speaker 1: about yesterday. Absolutely, but Jackson's the first guy to leave
Speaker 1: the organization. Um. Jelkes is on Iru Hills obviously, here,
Speaker 1: McGovern's on Irber, Webber's on the practice squad. Joe Jackson
Speaker 1: is on the active roster. But you know, you don't
Speaker 1: have a Tony Pollard being the one guy that's that's
Speaker 1: doing something for you, arguably not enough. Not his fault,
Speaker 1: but you don't have a first round pick and you
Speaker 1: pick at the back end of the round, which then
Speaker 1: that's the other side of that coin of like, well,
Speaker 1: if we think the Cowboys are good, maybe those picks
Speaker 1: they would have had to give up aren't as valuable
Speaker 1: as we're making them out to be. That's the I
Speaker 1: don't know. You got to decipher that for yourself. But
Speaker 1: I'm also believed that when you don't have a first
Speaker 1: round pick, sometimes you try to reach a little bit
Speaker 1: more than you would otherwise because you feel like you
Speaker 1: gotta make up for the fact that that first round
Speaker 1: pick isn't there. And if you do have that first
Speaker 1: round pick, then maybe you don't do that. You just
Speaker 1: kind of follow aboard and you kind of just go
Speaker 1: with it, right regardless, you know it is it's worth
Speaker 1: noting because they had high hopes for him, and you
Speaker 1: thought he'd be here maybe to battle for a spot
Speaker 1: next year. But Donovan Olumbus still in the building, and
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're talking about a
Speaker 1: late round five pick, and it is curious what's going
Speaker 1: to happen in a cornerback next year, though, because you know,
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going on. You don't know what
Speaker 1: the future holds for Byron or Brown and Cheeto and
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis are entering the last year or their contract.
Speaker 1: So it's a pretty sneaky big need for this team,
Speaker 1: especially with him leaving, it's definitely, you know, especially now
Speaker 1: that you have all your picks, it's definitely going to
Speaker 1: be um. I would think of, you know, day one
Speaker 1: or day day one or two pick. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine them going through the first three rounds and
Speaker 1: not taking a corner. Even if you resigned Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: I still think you have to do that to protect
Speaker 1: yourself for the corners that are going to be up
Speaker 1: for contracts next year. But with Anthony Brown, I just
Speaker 1: imagine him probably leaving. You would think Mike Jackson could
Speaker 1: have made that leap to that to that spot, but
Speaker 1: as it stands right now, he's not the first cornerback
Speaker 1: off the list. I don't think to be called up.
Speaker 1: I mean I think Alumba to go would have been
Speaker 1: Alumba too. So you guys agree that, do you think
Speaker 1: Alumba is a better the better player between hill two
Speaker 1: right now? I think he is, but I do kind
Speaker 1: of and this is sad to say, I kind of
Speaker 1: think Alumba is what he is. I think I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he can't get better, but I think you just
Speaker 1: kind of know he's a long, rangy corner that doesn't
Speaker 1: have great speed. Mike Jackson has better athleticism in it,
Speaker 1: and you would hope, you know, he could work with
Speaker 1: Christopher Shard and kind of take that next level, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe leap over Alumba. But it is fair to say also,
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Jackson could have just jumped at the
Speaker 1: opportunity to be on a fifty three and just pieced
Speaker 1: out of town, like he's not under any obligation to
Speaker 1: try to turn that into a roster spot here, Like,
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, Blake Jarwin was like, hey, the
Speaker 1: Eagles are telling me this, and the Cowboys were like whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll fix that, whereas Mike Jackson could have just
Speaker 1: been like cool in the world. I mean, most people
Speaker 1: take you know, if they're making you know, one hundred grand,
Speaker 1: that they'll go for the four fifty, right, Yeah, most
Speaker 1: people take that. It's weird though they yes, I'll quadrup
Speaker 1: of my salary. Yeah, it's you know, it's a bummer
Speaker 1: to see him go because I was intrigued by his talent.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's this drastic life altering and
Speaker 1: I don't news and I don't think the Cowboys really
Speaker 1: do either, because they can they make they can make
Speaker 1: that work. I mean, in fact, I mean we've seen
Speaker 1: it before. You you can do whatever you want with
Speaker 1: those players with their salary. Is there a sal is
Speaker 1: that salary cap part of the salary cap? But I
Speaker 1: believe Rico Gatherers was R and his salary at rookie
Speaker 1: minimum and rookie minimum, so he was the squad player, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you can make the money work. It's so it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you're not losing anything if you stay with us. They
Speaker 1: just may not. They just may not value him in
Speaker 1: the same see in the league, Rico, I don't believe.
Speaker 1: So the Browns cut him, which you see him at
Speaker 1: the fair last a couple of weeks, did you really
Speaker 1: it was him? Positive? Absolutely positive? He needs to go
Speaker 1: to them, needs to go to like Europe, play basketball
Speaker 1: or the G League or something. I think that's what
Speaker 1: he should do. He probably could make some money. Think
Speaker 1: about the weights he's been you know, he's been on
Speaker 1: an NFL weight program for three years. I mean, now
Speaker 1: he goes out there and plays basketball. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know it can throw off his shot Like that's what happened.
Speaker 1: He didn't have a shot, he had to rebound. He
Speaker 1: had a rebound. I would ever have a guessed that
Speaker 1: we'd be talking about Rico. Why not, just because he
Speaker 1: hasn't been on the team and not been on the show,
Speaker 1: we serve we will take a turn that nobody expects regularly. Fair.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's let's go into this New York
Speaker 1: Giant offense. Date. Tell me a little bit about this office.
Speaker 1: We Cowboys obviously have played them already. We saw their offense.
Speaker 1: It's a little different. It's way different. It's not the
Speaker 1: same thing at all. They replaced the quarterback. Um, the
Speaker 1: their best receiver is back on the team after not
Speaker 1: being there for the opener. Um. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: tell you that they're world beaters, but I just think
Speaker 1: I think they're a lot more competent than they were
Speaker 1: the last time we saw them. And sake, I mean,
Speaker 1: sa Quan was there for Week one. He played great,
Speaker 1: we know that, but he was missing. So now they've
Speaker 1: got him back to um this is this is a
Speaker 1: this is a fast group in my opinion, Like that's
Speaker 1: my big impression from watching them is like they are
Speaker 1: athletically um designed. I don't know how basically. My point is,
Speaker 1: obviously they got sa Quan Daniel Jones is much more
Speaker 1: athletic than you want to get him credit for, certainly
Speaker 1: much more athletic than Eli Manning. And then you've got
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram being your top playmaker, who is essentially a
Speaker 1: big wide receiver. Like this is a team that basically
Speaker 1: runs ten personnel a lot, because when they have three
Speaker 1: receivers in a tight end, it's basically four receivers. And
Speaker 1: that's something that intrigues me with how the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: handle it because it's a lot of speed and athleticism.
Speaker 1: I watched this game against the Lions. Say, Quon Barclay's
Speaker 1: so good man. He ran for sixty four, he caught
Speaker 1: nine passes for eighty yards and a touchdown. He does
Speaker 1: it all. He can. He can go downfield, he can
Speaker 1: go across the middle. And then Golden Tate is really
Speaker 1: I mean, we know he's good. We've seen him play
Speaker 1: the Cowboys a million times. He actually killed them when
Speaker 1: he was with the Lions last year. He's basically Jones's
Speaker 1: safety net. Like every single route I saw him run
Speaker 1: was like a crossing route or something to give Jones
Speaker 1: an outlet pass. And they're they're moving the ball pretty good. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm intrigued to see Daniel Jones against the secondary
Speaker 1: because he's got the arm, strength and the confidence to
Speaker 1: make plays down field. I don't think he sees the
Speaker 1: game that well yet, which makes sense. Yeah, but he'll
Speaker 1: hang back there for six seconds if you let him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the last offensive perform really well. That's the thing
Speaker 1: is like they gave him time against Trey Flowers and
Speaker 1: like a you know, a pretty decent Detroit front. You
Speaker 1: got Snacks Harrison up there. He got sacked three times.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of them were because he didn't
Speaker 1: have time. He holds the ball, he really does, and
Speaker 1: they strip sacked him twice return one for a touchdown. Um.
Speaker 1: This this this pass rush, it's gonna I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a challenge because I think the line, the
Speaker 1: Giant's line is better than it has been, but Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones is going to give them time to get back there.
Speaker 1: I think talk about strowing Shepherd. Is he back this week?
Speaker 1: Is the expectation he's back this week? Ah, that's a
Speaker 1: great question, honestly, don't think. I don't think he is
Speaker 1: either a concussion, right. I know he's he's a guy,
Speaker 1: and it's hardered me to keep up with him. I'm
Speaker 1: not this I had him on Fantasy and I remember
Speaker 1: looking at the advice, which could be kind of crazy
Speaker 1: sometimes because I've I've clicked on advice before and it
Speaker 1: was my own report. So I'm like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: know anything. Participate participating today with the expectation that he
Speaker 1: will be cleared at some point this week. So that
Speaker 1: doesn't make it even more interesting Because you talked about
Speaker 1: an offense. It has a lot of guys running around, move,
Speaker 1: move around, move. It got some speed sterling just another
Speaker 1: one of those guys. I'm interested to see how that
Speaker 1: works because I mean, Shephard likes to work out of
Speaker 1: the slot. Tate's been working out of the slot since
Speaker 1: he came back to the Giants. I don't fear their
Speaker 1: outside options really, don't. They have a young guy that's
Speaker 1: They got a guy out the name of Darius Slayton.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a mid round pick out of Auburn
Speaker 1: brought us absolutely loved him. He's definite big numbers. Last
Speaker 1: we didn't know he did, and he had a he
Speaker 1: had a really great like Dez type of touchdown. He
Speaker 1: went up and high pointed the ball and just out
Speaker 1: muscled the DBF Like he's he's a good player. But
Speaker 1: I don't. It's it's not you know, this this juggernaut
Speaker 1: that that I'm just worried, like he's just gonna eat
Speaker 1: outside the numbers, Like I don't necessarily buy that to
Speaker 1: be the case. So I wonder, you know, between Ingram,
Speaker 1: maybe Shepherd and then obviously Golden Tate, Like that's a
Speaker 1: lot of work that you're gonna be doing between the numbers,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, because that's where these guys like to run. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: think about I think on this offense is when you
Speaker 1: got sa Quon back there, he becomes the top priority
Speaker 1: of trying to stop him, which makes it so so
Speaker 1: much easier for everybody else to be able to operate.
Speaker 1: I yeah, it's so easy to say, like we'll just
Speaker 1: focus on se Quon Barkley and then make everybody else
Speaker 1: beat you. And that would be great if you can.
Speaker 1: But that's what's so scary about him is he's so
Speaker 1: he's so good, Like that's the you watch him. He's
Speaker 1: running flare outs, he's running wheel routes, he's running angle
Speaker 1: routes in between the numbers. He had a forty yard
Speaker 1: gain where he just kind of up out and end
Speaker 1: and hip the tackle. Uh. He's spend moving people, he's
Speaker 1: jumped cutting people. He's not Barry Sanders, like nobody ever
Speaker 1: will be. I get that, but like that's the vibe
Speaker 1: I get watching him because he's that type of player
Speaker 1: that you can have him dead to rights and he'll
Speaker 1: do something to get out of it. Laughing about Barry
Speaker 1: Sanders just because maybe it's because I was watching him
Speaker 1: play the Lions, but that's I was just like this
Speaker 1: guy he's never contained and he's also he's I mean,
Speaker 1: but he's got like Zeke type of power. Like I'm
Speaker 1: sure you saw the stiff arm he put on them
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter of that game. It was gross. Great,
Speaker 1: he's I mean, he's everything you wanted a running back.
Speaker 1: And honestly, like for the money that the Cowboys gave Zeke,
Speaker 1: that's the way they they should be using him. Yes, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he is, He's hey, I always That's not
Speaker 1: the first time I've answered that question. And I can
Speaker 1: point you to a tweet from like seventeen where Zeke
Speaker 1: said that himself, he is better, he's more athletic, and
Speaker 1: he's also you know, he's strong, load to take down,
Speaker 1: and he's fast. Right, That's yeah, He's got all of
Speaker 1: the same power and finishing ability with a type of
Speaker 1: elusiveness that I mean not just like it's not just
Speaker 1: that Zeke doesn't have it, who does? But maybe Christian
Speaker 1: McCaffrey may what I will. You know, I've seen this
Speaker 1: with all running backs. You know, the Cowboys are fans
Speaker 1: are saying, well, what's up with Zeke? Now? You know,
Speaker 1: why doesn't he look the same? None of those guys
Speaker 1: look the same. Google Look at Julius Jones his first
Speaker 1: year compared to his third and fourth. I mean, they're different.
Speaker 1: This is see what happens after his third years. Same
Speaker 1: with McCaffrey too. I mean, these guys are taking a
Speaker 1: lot of hits and so they may not look the same,
Speaker 1: just like Zeke doesn't really look the same. Still productive
Speaker 1: I will, I just I mean, and I'll say this
Speaker 1: for Zeke, Like I think he can do most of
Speaker 1: the stuff that sae Quon can, maybe not as explosively
Speaker 1: and not the you know, not the constant jumping and
Speaker 1: spinning and all that crazy stuff. But like we've seen
Speaker 1: Zeke catch wheel routes twenty five yards down field. We've
Speaker 1: seen him take you know, four yard dump offs and
Speaker 1: turn them into longer gains. Like I just add for
Speaker 1: the millionth time, like I just don't think the Cowboys try.
Speaker 1: It's hard to scheme up touches for him that way,
Speaker 1: in the same way they don't with Tony Pollard. I
Speaker 1: paint by numbers. I'll say it again, Like, it just
Speaker 1: doesn't look as creative to me, because he can do
Speaker 1: that stuff. We've seen him do it in fits and
Speaker 1: spurts before. But yeah, if they can slow him down,
Speaker 1: then hell yeah, Like let's let's put Daniel Jones back
Speaker 1: in the pocket and make him bomb away to win,
Speaker 1: because like, I don't trust that he can one hundred
Speaker 1: percent do that. The problem is just when say Quine
Speaker 1: can do so much stuff, how do you completely limit
Speaker 1: it all? That's a big thing. You've told us a
Speaker 1: lot of really good stuff about this offense. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a break. When we come back, I'm gonna ask
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Speaker 1: preview to the NFC Wall Card game. That's what I think,
Speaker 1: all right? And oh yeah, that's probably what that means.
Speaker 1: That means you've already given us your prediction for this week,
Speaker 1: but that the Cowboys would win. Yeah. I have a
Speaker 1: hard time thinking they lose to the Giants and win
Speaker 1: the division. It's a big win if you can beat
Speaker 1: the Giants and get to four and oh because if
Speaker 1: you get to four and in the division, then you
Speaker 1: know the Eagles. The only way the Eagles are really
Speaker 1: gonna beat you when it comes to a tiebreakers. They
Speaker 1: have to win out all their division games if they
Speaker 1: remain tied, right. But that's that's the thing. Like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I look at this and I say, Cowboys, really they
Speaker 1: can only hurt themselves this week. They can't necessarily help
Speaker 1: themselves because I think, just like well, no listens saying,
Speaker 1: I'm listening, just like they can, Just like they can
Speaker 1: go through the NFC East and win their games, I
Speaker 1: think Eagles could do the same thing. And if the
Speaker 1: Eagles come back and beat the Cowboys and they beat
Speaker 1: Washington in New York, which I think they're very capable
Speaker 1: of doing, then they're still both five and one in
Speaker 1: the division, right, so it's still gonna come down to
Speaker 1: their actual record at the end of the day. So
Speaker 1: really the game that's most pivotal, most pivotal is that
Speaker 1: game that they're going to have against the Eagles, because
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles can do the same thing they
Speaker 1: can do in this division. I don't think the Giants
Speaker 1: and the Redskins are close to the Eagles and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys just overall as far as quality of their talent,
Speaker 1: quality of their team. I think there's a clear separation.
Speaker 1: If one of those teams happens to jump up and
Speaker 1: bite one of them, though, I think that's where you
Speaker 1: can hurt yourself. So I think the Cowboys can really
Speaker 1: hurt themselves way more than help themselves this week. It's
Speaker 1: I mean, any any win is gonna help you, especially
Speaker 1: if it's an individually. But I hear what you're saying,
Speaker 1: I gotta go. I mean, the only what's the one
Speaker 1: game that Eagles play in the division that they could
Speaker 1: lose other than the Cowboys and probably at the Giants.
Speaker 1: So you know this divisions like you could lose any
Speaker 1: one of those games. The point, the point is both
Speaker 1: of these teams are better than those other two teams.
Speaker 1: Anything can happen, and nobody saw the seven and one
Speaker 1: run coming last year. Maybe the Cowboys finished this season
Speaker 1: thirteen and three. Maybe, but well, if you had Jamal Adams,
Speaker 1: if you had to bet, if you had to bet
Speaker 1: on an outcome, don't Don't you just feel like the
Speaker 1: winner of the NFC East is gonna have nine or
Speaker 1: ten wins and they'll probably be the fourth seed and
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to that Week sixteen game in Philly.
Speaker 1: So that's my point. So it all is about that game.
Speaker 1: That's the game that's gonna matter the most is Cowboys
Speaker 1: versus Eagles. Second to last week, I had somebody on Twitter,
Speaker 1: somebody on Twitter sent and they were like, this is
Speaker 1: this is how I think it's gonna play out, and
Speaker 1: he like separated into three categories. It was like they
Speaker 1: better win these. It was this Giants game, the Bills game,
Speaker 1: in the Redskins game. Better win those. And then it
Speaker 1: was like, probably gonna lose this one, and it was
Speaker 1: the Pats. And then it was like these are up
Speaker 1: for grabs. Vikings, Yeah, you need to win two or
Speaker 1: three of these Vikings, Bears, Rams and whoever else. I'm
Speaker 1: forgetting Lions, No Lions. And then the last category was
Speaker 1: like this is what it's going to come down to
Speaker 1: at Philly. I was like, this is one hundred percent correct,
Speaker 1: exactly right. There's no way you can convince me that
Speaker 1: Week sixteen won't be the biggest game. And that's why,
Speaker 1: good chance we're probably gonna be working that night, because
Speaker 1: that's a game that the NFL is gonna be looking at,
Speaker 1: because that's going to probably be your division winner right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's way ahead of ourselves. And it just
Speaker 1: seems to this game though you just said, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of the whole philosophy that we've
Speaker 1: always disagreed about it about do you play to win
Speaker 1: or do you play not to lose? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's the difference if you said this game right here,
Speaker 1: it would would It would definitely hurt you if you lose,
Speaker 1: then it helps you if you win. I mean, because
Speaker 1: you don't want to, you don't want to lose. You
Speaker 1: don't want to, you can't lose it. You're right, You're right,
Speaker 1: it's the same. It really is the same thing. My
Speaker 1: point is, though, if the Cowboys win, when we come
Speaker 1: back on Tuesday morning, it's gonna be like, Okay, well
Speaker 1: they took care of their business, like that's it's just
Speaker 1: much better than that. If they lose, now it's a
Speaker 1: whole different discussion because now you've just opened the door
Speaker 1: much wider for the Eagles to step into that thing
Speaker 1: and now be the division winner. And I don't think
Speaker 1: the NFC East is gonna have I think we're all
Speaker 1: pretty much agree they're not gonna have to play two
Speaker 1: teams from the NFC East in the ploffs. It's going
Speaker 1: to be the division winner. So that's where I'm saying
Speaker 1: that the losses hurt you way more than the win
Speaker 1: helps you. How much better? How much different would this
Speaker 1: conversation be if they'd like kicked a game winning field goal,
Speaker 1: even the ugliest win ever against the Jets. You're talking
Speaker 1: about going up to be six and two. Ye, you're talking.
Speaker 1: I mean if there's if they win this game and
Speaker 1: go to six and two, you're like, we're right in
Speaker 1: the thick of the hunt for a bye week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've lost at that point. You were lost to two
Speaker 1: teams that are seven and one, right, which you feel
Speaker 1: really good about. Well, like you feel as good as
Speaker 1: you can about two losses, right, It's who knows. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would be equally unsurprised if they tore off some
Speaker 1: crazy winst you. I don't know what to expect. You
Speaker 1: have a terrible loss sitting there like the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: have all year. You better you better get a win
Speaker 1: that you don't expect. Well, I will say this, that's
Speaker 1: the only way to in my opinion, the only way
Speaker 1: to make that Jets game better is you got to
Speaker 1: go beat the Patriots. Yeah, you got to steal one,
Speaker 1: because you got one stolen from you. The one thing
Speaker 1: I will is, I do believe and I know yesterday
Speaker 1: and I ask you about this this morning, that the
Speaker 1: whole thing that with Jamal Adams, did that change or
Speaker 1: make you almost forget about Michael Bennett. The one thing
Speaker 1: I know is that as of the when they made
Speaker 1: that trade from Michael Bennett, they got better. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: they got significantly better, because I think if the pass
Speaker 1: rush is better, everything else on the defense gets better,
Speaker 1: and I think the pass rush got better. So that
Speaker 1: being said, I do think there's reason to believe the
Speaker 1: Cowboys could get on a run and be able to
Speaker 1: win some games here, even some games that they may
Speaker 1: not have otherwise been able to win without him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they set themselves up nicely. Like you said,
Speaker 1: it would have been nicer if they had that other guy.
Speaker 1: But I do think having Michael Bennett makes a big difference,
Speaker 1: and we'll see how much of a difference starting this
Speaker 1: weekend that will make Dave. Real quick though, tell me
Speaker 1: what the Giant's office does not do well. I just
Speaker 1: I mean, I gave him a lot of credit for
Speaker 1: how athletic they are, but I think it hinders their versatility.
Speaker 1: Like you know, say what you will about Jason Witten,
Speaker 1: but he can help you in both facets. Evan Ingram
Speaker 1: is a terrible blocker. I mean he's a big wide
Speaker 1: receiver and he can disappear sometimes just as a receiver games,
Speaker 1: Yeah he can't. I mean the Cowboys, He's had garbage
Speaker 1: yards against them, but like he has not killed the
Speaker 1: Cowboys in crucial situations the way that other rival players have,
Speaker 1: I think. But like they have to change their personnel
Speaker 1: when they want to play you know, traditional NFL poward football.
Speaker 1: They rhet Ellison comes in, they load up the line
Speaker 1: that it's very obvious they like draw guys into the box,
Speaker 1: and sa Quan can offset that because he's so good.
Speaker 1: But this is not an offense in my opinion, that
Speaker 1: can impose its will on people, especially with a rookie
Speaker 1: quarterback who's still getting used to the flow of the game.
Speaker 1: So I think it can work very well for them
Speaker 1: because they you know, they spread things out there, very athletic.
Speaker 1: But like, let's not kid ourselves either. They're still not
Speaker 1: winning games, even though they look more competent with Daniel Jones,
Speaker 1: and I think they can be a little bit one dimensional,
Speaker 1: Like they run for good yards per carry, but again,
Speaker 1: how much of that is just because sa Quan is
Speaker 1: so special, Like they don't run the ball particularly well
Speaker 1: as a team. I think you can make them one dimensional.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're particularly scary on the boundaries. I
Speaker 1: think that's good news for Cheeto and Byron Jones. So
Speaker 1: rally and tackle and I think you can make them
Speaker 1: one dimensional and beat them that way. And hopefully if
Speaker 1: you can do that, I love the idea of Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones throwing it fifty times because you'll have chances at
Speaker 1: strips and picks. They strip sacked him twice. One of
Speaker 1: them was a touchdown. I'm talking about the Lions, Like,
Speaker 1: that's the difference in the game again obvious. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's football one on one, But make him throw a
Speaker 1: bunch of times and I think you can take advantage
Speaker 1: of it. It seems like turnovers are an issue for him.
Speaker 1: The flip side of that is that's not something that
Speaker 1: Cowboys particularly do well. Is did it well against the Eagles?
Speaker 1: They did, so we'll see four of them. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: see which team shows up this week. Is it going
Speaker 1: to be that team or is it gonna be another team?
Speaker 1: I do have a question real quick, I want to
Speaker 1: get to from Twitter. We had a question from Justin Espo.
Speaker 1: He says, when will we see Donovan Wilson get Wilson
Speaker 1: get some playing time? Is that a conversation worth having.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Cowboys to look at some of
Speaker 1: these guys that played really well in the preseason at
Speaker 1: safety and maybe start trying to feel figure out how
Speaker 1: to get them on the field a little bit more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you want to you want to find
Speaker 1: those those ways. And obviously there is a need for safety.
Speaker 1: We know this that Cowboys have you looked into it,
Speaker 1: not to the point to make the trade, but you
Speaker 1: know they want to get better there of course, And
Speaker 1: so I think, you know, we'll see what happens with
Speaker 1: all these injured guys coming back, and everybody should be
Speaker 1: relatively healthy. I think when that happens, he's probably back
Speaker 1: to being inactive. But I know he's a good special
Speaker 1: teams player. He's becoming, you know, a player I think
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys will use there. So I don't think
Speaker 1: they're ready to like bench a player. I forget it would.
Speaker 1: I think it would take an injury for him to
Speaker 1: get a real shot. And I know people don't want
Speaker 1: to hear that, but you know, the coaching staff that
Speaker 1: that you're working with here like this is that's kind
Speaker 1: of their mo They trust the guys that they have
Speaker 1: they'd rather deal with the limitations that Jeff Heathan, more
Speaker 1: so Jeff Heath than Xavier Woods. But they'd rather deal
Speaker 1: with the limitations those guys have and unknown commodity rather
Speaker 1: than throw a guy out there who you don't know
Speaker 1: just how ready for it he is. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I necessarily agree, but I'm just telling you the
Speaker 1: way it is. And yeah, I haven't heard or seen
Speaker 1: anything that makes me think they're going to make a
Speaker 1: move like that. I think if if the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: to give up another eighty ninety yard deep ball and
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath was on the other end of it, I
Speaker 1: think it's time you really would have to start thinking,
Speaker 1: all right, we got we gotta do something different, because
Speaker 1: the one thing you would always say about Heath and
Speaker 1: Woods and Heath and whoever was back there is they
Speaker 1: don't give up big plays. But they gave up a really,
Speaker 1: really big play to the Jets and they lost the game.
Speaker 1: They give up more plays like that, I think I
Speaker 1: think you have to start saying, all right, we gotta
Speaker 1: get better here. And we know that Heath is on
Speaker 1: you know, last year of his deal, is probably not
Speaker 1: going to get resigned, so you know, if it gets
Speaker 1: to the point where we have to we think, you know,
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson will be better. I think that they would
Speaker 1: do that. I think it would have to be a weekly,
Speaker 1: systematic failure. And you can criticize Heath all you want.
Speaker 1: The ninety two yard touchdown to the Jets was terrible.
Speaker 1: I think there that hasn't happened to the degree of,
Speaker 1: you know, consistency to where you do something. He probably
Speaker 1: replaces Darien Thompson as the third safety. First, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say the ironic thing is everybody's asking us about Wilson.
Speaker 1: If they decided to bench the safety, they'd probably put
Speaker 1: Darreyan Thompson in there. And again, I know that's not
Speaker 1: what people want to hear, but I think that's what
Speaker 1: would happen. All right, we appreciate you, guys, Jonas. We're
Speaker 1: back tomorrow for Nick even Dave Helmet. I'm Derek Eakleton.
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