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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast. Mrs Wayne Fawns, Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Round the League Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansas, and I'm joined by a room

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Speaker 1: full of heroes, Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, and

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Speaker 1: Kevin Patra. What up, hey, Dad? Well that that's not

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Speaker 1: quite accurate because Kevin Patra is on the phone, but

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Speaker 1: we're starting with him this week, and you know, might

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Speaker 1: as well bring him in on the top of the show.

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Speaker 1: Kevin your first intro. Thank you, sir. I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: be a part of this time. Yeah. Well, all you

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Speaker 1: need to do to make this happen every week is

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Speaker 1: have the Lions win the most crazy awesome game possible. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that that would That would work, and we will. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to that game in a second. West, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Studio sixty six. You have a glow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a certain cold. Hugh had a nice weekend, didn't you.

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Speaker 1: I had a lovely weekend. It was fantastic. There's a

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Speaker 1: woman in your life, yes, yes, k Rich. Can you

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Speaker 1: tell as a woman that West looks a little different?

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Speaker 1: West in the top of the head was glowing. You

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Speaker 1: know what he was involved seduction Friday. It feels like

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Speaker 1: it's carried over. Have seductionsduction Friday, seduction Saturday, the whole works. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, now we'll see Greg. Are you a

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Speaker 1: little nervous, Greg, now that Wes is a man that

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Speaker 1: had a great weekend that it might affect his edge

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Speaker 1: as a football analyst. No, I don't. I don't take

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Speaker 1: that approach. I mean if I like, I like seeing

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Speaker 1: a happy West, alright, good, I like it too. I

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Speaker 1: love it. I like blocked two people on Twitter today. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that is that it might be a record. All right,

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Speaker 1: So that's good. Every everyone's really excited. No one's works

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Speaker 1: and West, but everyone's happy. Let us get going with

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Speaker 1: all of Sunday's Week eight games. And as we said,

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Speaker 1: we have Patra off the top UH this week from

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Speaker 1: Chicago because he watched the game of the week Matthew

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Speaker 1: Stafford's one yard plunge over a pile of lineman with

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Speaker 1: twelve seconds to go lifted the Lions to a thirty

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Speaker 1: one and thirty comeback went over the Cowboys, a game

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Speaker 1: in which Calvin Johnson UH went ham and had three

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Speaker 1: nine yards receiving second all time. Patra tell us all

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Speaker 1: about this one Uh, I where to begin, Um, the

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Speaker 1: Lions just shooting themselves in the foot of four turnovers. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the line of defense holding down Romo and basically causing

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Speaker 1: des Brian to have a connection on the sideline. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson catching nearly everything. Uh for for going on

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Speaker 1: historic Davis into I mean, there was just so much.

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Speaker 1: And then Matthew Stafford with his last drive was just impeccable.

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Speaker 1: He made a forty yard he just through a forty

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Speaker 1: yard time to Chris Durham. That really got set it

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Speaker 1: up for a past to Calvin and then his unexpected

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Speaker 1: by pretty much everyone has dived over for for the

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Speaker 1: game winning. It was just the last minute was just ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I think personally that you know, Dan Marino had the

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Speaker 1: fake spike against my Jets in November ninety and that's famous.

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Speaker 1: This was a better fake spike to me because if

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Speaker 1: he gets stuffed at the goal line there, I think

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Speaker 1: the clock runs out, doesn't it? On this UM? I

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Speaker 1: don't think so, because they would have probably had to

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Speaker 1: ten second run off, so there might have been two

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Speaker 1: But either way. I mean it was a smart play

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Speaker 1: take a lot of time. And Patrick, either you or

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Speaker 1: West somebody set it up for me. What exactly were

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Speaker 1: they facing there in that last it was one They

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Speaker 1: Did Jason Garrett take any heat add off for just

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Speaker 1: know he talked to reporters after the game. Number one,

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Speaker 1: what about Monty Kiffin? How do you cover this guy

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Speaker 1: They had six hundred and twenty three yards compared to

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Speaker 1: been a close game. And on the on the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: My biggest problem with Tony Romo isn't the last minute

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Speaker 1: It's crazy how many losses Jason Garrett has had like

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Speaker 1: hasn't done, you know, in terms of records. But are

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Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson has six in his last twenty seven games. Ah,

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Speaker 1: that like it made me rethink the Brandy Moss versus

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Speaker 1: pretty good. I think he had a good day. Kevin Patrick,

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Speaker 1: that was a great game though. That's right there. I

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Speaker 1: the game of the year. That's so funny that you

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Speaker 1: end of both of those. Okay, let's move on and

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Speaker 1: we'll go through all the rest of the games this week.

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Speaker 1: We start in Denver where Peyton Manning overcame four turnovers

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Speaker 1: You watch this game, what did you take from it?

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Speaker 1: The Broncos past defense, which is must much maligned. You know,

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Speaker 1: they were third second in the league, hit r G

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Speaker 1: the rest of us. He had smoothies. Smoothies. Everything he

427
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Speaker 1: does is so you know, beyond the pale beautiful. I'm

428
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 1: a little bit annoyed with the fact that actually he

429
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: just fundamentally did not coach a good football game today. Well,

430
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 1: he made a lot of unorthodox decisions that did not

431
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: work out. He instead of kicking a fifty yard field goal,

432
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: he went for it on fourth and nine. That didn't work.

433
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: Then later in the game, it's fourth and four on midfield,

434
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 1: down two scores in the fourth quarter and he doesn't

435
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: go for it. He punts. Then it's fourth and twenty

436
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 1: he does go for There was just a lot of

437
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: odd decisions today. But see when he does it, it's unorthodox.

438
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,959
Speaker 1: If someone else did it, it would be They're just

439
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: a bad coach. Look, it's not working right now there.

440
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: It's not just Michael Vick. I mean the entire offense

441
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: isn't working at all right now. Are the Giants the

442
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: team to be in the NFC East this week? Seriously?

443
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean this is the worst two game winning streak

444
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: maybe of all time. Not saying they are, I'm just

445
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: they have they have a few things to build off.

446
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: The passing game was better today. Granted it was against

447
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: the Eagles, but it was better. They've stopped to run

448
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: pretty well and that Peyton Hillis backfield, you know. I mean,

449
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: when you got Payton Hillis and John Connor in the

450
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: same backfield, it's like you have eight offensive linemen on

451
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Speaker 1: the field. Watch out. No, no, no, it's just listen.

452
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: And he deserves he belongs with the Giants. I like, Mark,

453
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 1: come on, just let it go alright? Sorry, um now,

454
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: and you know the one of the one thing I'll

455
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: say also and Greg, we talked about it downstairs. I'm

456
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: not to borrow a damage that phrase. You know, all

457
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: that college football hope. M I'm not really a big

458
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: college guy, so I I don't never liked the idea

459
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: of a big college coach coming in and everyone telling

460
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: me that this college coach is going to take over

461
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: the NFL and change the way people think. Eat it, Chip,

462
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly, because everyone thought that you were gonna do it,

463
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: and he didn't do it. Let's wait till at least

464
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: gets his own guys. Matt Barkley has played most of

465
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Speaker 1: the last two games for them, or a lot of

466
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: a quarter of last game, three quarters of this game.

467
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the results. How many teams are

468
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: gonna win with their third string quarterback? Well, at this point,

469
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: you could hide behind that, but he wasn't doing much

470
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: before this. Come on, This team is not They have

471
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: not revolutionized football, and their offense broke records over the

472
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Speaker 1: first four or five weeks. The one thing I'd be

473
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Speaker 1: concerned about is there a offense that doesn't have much

474
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: variation at all week to week. And you do wonder

475
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: if defenses are catching up a little bit to what

476
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: they do and finding a good way to stop them.

477
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: Is Kelly now in the same situation sn Read was

478
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: down the stretch last year in terms of UM This

479
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: guy got Michael Vick sitting here, but he's probably not

480
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: going to be here next year. And I need to

481
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: take a close look at Nick, Foles and Barkley and

482
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: figure out what do we do from here. The NFC

483
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: East is so bad the Eagles could be in first

484
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: place in a week or two and and honestly, I

485
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: don't think that Fools is that good. Get a guy healthy,

486
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not available. J. G. Kinney might be

487
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: starting this week. Now throw now, J is it? G? J. Kinney?

488
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: There's someone named Kenney on the Eagles that was a quarterback.

489
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: And Vick's not healthy. Fools isn't healthy. I mean they

490
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: don't have any all right, we have two more stats

491
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: for we can move on. Philly has now lost ten

492
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Speaker 1: straight home games, which is actually kind of hard to fathom.

493
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: And the Giant snapped in eight game road losing Street today.

494
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Speaker 1: So good job gmen. Alright, moving on, Drew Brees through

495
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: five touchdown passes and the Saints, you know, not a

496
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: game that they dominated all the way through, but ultimately

497
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: they pulled away for a thirty seventeen win over the

498
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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills on Sunday. I watched this game. You know,

499
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: it wasn't really much for gonna take out of it.

500
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: The Saints are a much better team in the Bills,

501
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: especially at home where they're gonna be hard to be

502
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: any for anybody to beat them this year certainly isn't

503
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: gonna be the Bills. Um and the one guy on

504
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: the Saints had jumped into two guys with the Saints.

505
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: First of all, Jimmy Graham, uh did not play a ton.

506
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Speaker 1: He had three catches, of course, uh two touchdowns. With

507
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: the three catches. He played one snap in the second

508
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: half and he scored a touchdown in that one snap.

509
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: So he's not healthy. But if he's on the field.

510
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: He scores. Uh. The other guy jumped out to me

511
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: for the Saints was Kenny Stills. Uh. He was I believe,

512
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: the seventeenth wide receiver taken in the draft, and this

513
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: is a guy who has a ton of potential in

514
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Speaker 1: this offense. Uh. He had three catches for a twenty

515
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: seven yards and two touchdowns today. Uh. He is a potential,

516
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: real deep threat for Drew Brees going forward. And there's

517
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 1: six and one, and Sean Payton told the team afterwards,

518
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, don't be too excited being Bowl eligible. I

519
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: guess the point was, Okay, we're we're probably gonna win

520
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: this division or were in good shape to make the playoffs.

521
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: But they're a team that is going to have a

522
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Speaker 1: chance to be the number one seed in the NFC.

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00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: By the way, keep an eye on Drew Brees as

524
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: a sleeper candidate in the m v P race. Um,

525
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning still is the far away leader. But Breeze

526
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: is having another monster season and he's going to be

527
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Speaker 1: the quarterback of a team that went from out of

528
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Speaker 1: the playoffs to thirteen or fourteen wins. Don't they just

529
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: need to have a Peyton Manning Award and then have

530
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Speaker 1: a M v P race for the rest of the

531
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: league behind him. I feel like I didn't see this game,

532
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: but you would probably describe than Lewis as adequate for

533
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: the third week in a row. You know, he actually,

534
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: to his credit, they came out in the read option

535
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: and he took a crushing hit. Uh, and they threw

536
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Speaker 1: the readapp option out the window for the most part

537
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: after that, and he kind of had a deer in

538
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Speaker 1: the headlights look early and you know, basically for most

539
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Speaker 1: of the first half. Then he made some plays. They

540
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: kind of stayed in the game until until the fourth quarter. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'd give him a B minus. It wasn't

542
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: anything where it's like you're not gonna start a quarterback controversy.

543
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: But he's basically done more than I think a lot

544
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Speaker 1: of people would have expected at this point. He's been

545
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: sacked thirteen times in three games. I think he's tougher

546
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: than people realized out of the gate. He keeps getting

547
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: he gets injured, and he keeps coming back in. Did

548
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: they really miss C. J. Spiller the way this offense

549
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: is built this week, or did you notice a big

550
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: difference with Fred Jackson in there? Not missed him? Off season. Yeah,

551
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: I think they even he's been That's why. I mean,

552
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: he's really not been. That's why it's kind of hard

553
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: because you don't even know, you know what, even when

554
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: he's been in, he hasn't been in. But yeah, I

555
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: think maybe that would have made the game more competitive

556
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 1: of a healthy Spiller was in. But the Saints are

557
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: just a much better team. And I don't think Doug

558
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: Moron is going to be upset about the effort level

559
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: this week. I think they played competitively, but they're just

560
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: not gonna do it. Might be a little in that building,

561
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: all right, that's fair, alright, speaking of a little upset, Mark,

562
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns are officially in trouble. Alex Smith threw

563
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: for two five yards and two touchdowns, and the Chiefs

564
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: held off the Browns in seventeen win to remain the

565
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: NFL's loan undefeated team at eight. No, Mark, you watch

566
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Speaker 1: this game, you're very silent, and then hense, but now

567
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: you can talk about it. He's look a little bit

568
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: of a hard game to sum up because Kansas City,

569
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: for the first like fifteen sixteen minutes of this thing

570
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: looked dominant. I mean, it was exactly what Andy Reid

571
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: drew up in his dreams at night when it when

572
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: he looked at what he had on this team. This team,

573
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: they came out and just stomped Cleveland. Had thirteen first

574
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: downs before Cleveland had its first first down. That's how

575
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: bad it was. But then Jason Campbell, you know, you know, listen,

576
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: he hasn't practiced with the team and he has certainly

577
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: hasn't played with him started to heat up, and I think,

578
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: what what it spoke to for me? Well, here's the thing.

579
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon, who's been listening to trade talk for a

580
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: month amid you know, reports that the guy's not trying,

581
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: has his third hundred yard game of the season. He's

582
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: their best player. And he's done this with three different quarterbacks.

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00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who's in there. He produces. He Kansas

584
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: City couldn't stop him. And then Jordan Cameron got heated

585
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: up and Cleveland came back into this thing. And then

586
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: on the other side, Alex Smith got sacked six times.

587
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: Cleveland's defense was awful early. I mean, they looked as

588
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: bad as I've seen them all season, and they made

589
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: it close at the end. And so I come away

590
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: and almost not knowing what to think about Cleveland, but

591
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: also Kansas City, because you know what, I know they're

592
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: going to roll into the playoffs with a thirteen and

593
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: three record and they're gonna get stomped. I'm sorry, I

594
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: just feel that way. I don't I think that that's

595
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: across the board. I think in this room now, we're

596
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: all with the same belief. Well, I think it's a

597
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: great season by Reid, and it's a nice job by

598
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: Alex Smith. But something just isn't there. Why look ahead

599
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: so far at two games against the Broncos. They gotta

600
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: see if they can win the a f C West.

601
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: If there was a second today where we thought Denver

602
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: might lose, and I started thinking, wow, Chiefs might have

603
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: a chance to really win this division. I mean, you

604
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: never know, speaking of you didn't know, like who this

605
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: team is. The Chiefs haven't given up more than seven

606
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: teen points in a game, yet they're only the fourth

607
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: team since nineteen seventy that in the first eight weeks

608
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: of the season. And then you balance that out by

609
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: looking at the quarterbacks they've late. Yeah, it's almost all backups.

610
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: Well they and they have and I don't want to say,

611
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: oh they've been lucky on the schedule because they've got

612
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: it's hard to beat anyone. They've gone out and they've

613
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: done it. But you're right. They had Ryan Fitzpatrick. Then listen,

614
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: they had Terrell Prior, who frankly has been a nice surprise,

615
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: and then last week they go out and the case

616
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: Keenum last week, who also I think played well against them,

617
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: but it's his first game there, so you're right they do.

618
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: And they also played Jacksonville. I guess say it. They've

619
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: been lucky on the schedule. That doesn't hurt, but they've

620
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: won these games. Are a little bit like the Panthers.

621
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Speaker 1: They haven't played anybody that you'd really have be impressed with,

622
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: so it's hard to know who they are. But you

623
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: have to credit them a little bit for beating the

624
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: team they would have been on their schedule. Fair unfair

625
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 1: to say Jason Campbell, it's not the reason the Browns

626
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: lost this game. No, he certainly is not. And it's

627
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: another indication I think that Cleveland, if they don't blow

628
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: this thing up, is not and I'm not just saying

629
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Speaker 1: this as someone who is a Browns fan. It's that

630
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: when we've had good quarterback plate, I eat anyone other

631
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: than Brandon Whedon. They've been competitive, so it's like, if

632
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: they can find that guy, and I don't think that's

633
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: Jason Campbell on any level beyond the next couple of

634
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: games for next season and beyond, they're an interesting team. Okay,

635
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: let's move forward. West, we have a problem, wes. Uh.

636
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: Terrell Prior ran for ninety three yards on the first

637
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: play from scrimmage. That is the longest run by a

638
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: quarterback in the history of the NFL, and the NFL

639
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: has been around a while. Uh. The Raiders one following

640
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: the bye week for the first time since two thousand two,

641
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: beating the Steelers eighteen. West. That's my question to you.

642
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna end up eating my softball pants

643
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: with Sean Sweets. I'm getting a healthy portion of them,

644
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: so you're you're changing your mind to eat for anyone

645
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: just tuning into the program. West has promised to eat

646
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: his softball pants if the Raiders win six games this year.

647
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: At the beginning of the year, that looked like a

648
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: crazy prediction, and now a mighty band over even guys

649
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: and the black Hole are getting it done. We do

650
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: because let the record showy woman, Let the record show

651
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: that this whole thing was born out of our making

652
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: the Leap Series, where Mark told me that Dennis Allen

653
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: would win six games this year. At the time, Matt

654
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: Flynn was the starting quarterback, and I said, if the

655
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: Raiders win six games, I'll eat my softball pants. We

656
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: didn't know that Terrell Prior was going to quarterback, nor

657
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: did we know that you're backing off it. He was

658
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: on the hold on, I'm not backing off this. I

659
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: haven't backed off of it yet. You weren't scared of

660
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: Terrell Prior and no one else was, And no I'm not.

661
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: But I think the narrative has changed now that he

662
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: makes them a different changed. It's changed picked the Raiders.

663
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: What happened here by the way Rich glowing behind the

664
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: glass by because she all she wants to do is

665
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: film some type of segment whereby Chris eats pants, guys,

666
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: and it's coming. My question is are we getting ready

667
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: to dip them in the sauce West. Yes, I think

668
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to go in Marinade. They have winnable

669
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: games coming up. Oh yeah, they're playing the I think

670
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: they're hosting the Eagles next week. That's a very winnable game. Sorry,

671
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: Kate Rich and you're gonna mix loyalties there. What are

672
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: you hoping for in that result? Obviously I'm hoping for

673
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: my team, But any little step we can get closer

674
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: to West eating the pants and then they go to

675
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: the Giants the week after that. All these a f

676
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: C West teams, by the way, are lucking out because

677
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: they're playing the NFC East at a division racking up

678
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: a lot of wins. Just gonna throw this out there,

679
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: my two coaching making the leap, Cannondates wanted to go

680
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: off the grid with the players picked Alan who if

681
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: they win next week? There four and three, which literally

682
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: no one on planet Earth thought would happen, including myself

683
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: born for four and four and then Rob Ryan a

684
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: little bit of surprise down in New Orleans, Santa Alright,

685
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: So congratulations Mark. What about the game? Oh, you want

686
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: to know what happened in the game, Well, the Steelers

687
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: didn't really get off the bus until the third quarter started. Uh,

688
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: Trell Prior started with the ninety three yard run. McFadden

689
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: looked great. The two of them were playing off of

690
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: each other really well, Lamarck Houston and CEO Moore, we're

691
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: really anchoring the Raiders defense, harassing Roethlisberger, shutting down Levan Bell,

692
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: and then the third quarter starts and the Steelers just

693
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: dominated from there on. Uh. Greg was keeping a running

694
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: count of how many series the Raiders were going they had,

695
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: They're not the last nine series of the game. They

696
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: had one first down. The Steelers shut them down, but

697
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: it was too little, too late because Sean Sweetum missed

698
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: two chip shot field goals that were the difference in

699
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: the game. And this is one of the tightest games

700
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: you can have. Statistically, they were separated by two seconds

701
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: in time possession, three total yards and three points. How

702
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: do we all get this so wrong? We we all

703
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: picked the Steelers, and I think we all were surprised

704
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: by that. What what went wrong with the Steelers? Uh?

705
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: The run defense wasn't there in the first half and

706
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: they couldn't move the ball. Todd Haley's play calling once

707
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: again is open for debate, and uh, the Steelers seemed

708
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: to be They seem to really confuse the big Big

709
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: Ben in the first two quarters prior such a crazy player,

710
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: because you hear everything about quarterback position is all about

711
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: making the right reads and doing this, you know you

712
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: have to win from the pocket, and and that's all true,

713
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: but then there's a game like this where their offense

714
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: was stymying for more than half the game. Yet the

715
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: couple crazy plays he made, the run, a third down

716
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: throw that he made, that's basically the difference because he

717
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: made those plays and no one else can. He's like

718
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: an early career Michael Vick, where he's the best athlete

719
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: on the field. And you noticed this, especially if you

720
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: watched them all a year. On third downs. It's hard

721
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: for a defense to stop a quarterback like that on

722
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: third downs because you're in man coverage and you go

723
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: out to cover your men. A couple of guys rushed

724
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: the pass her and then Prior just takes off and

725
00:35:52,520 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: runs for the first down. Okay, let's move on. Right now,

726
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: we were attempting to move on. They are on pace.

727
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: They are well above their pace the pace. Alright, moving on.

728
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: I'd like to get over this hump as fast as possible,

729
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: but we need to discuss it. Andy Dalton through a

730
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: career high five touchdown passes, four of them to Marvin Jones,

731
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: and the Bengals beat up on the Jets forty nine

732
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: nine on Sunday in Cincinnati. Um, listen, the Jets. This

733
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: was a This is a team that's been afraid of

734
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: success all season. They have not had a two game

735
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: winning streak. But I thought this was gonna be a

736
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: close game. I thought the Jets defense would give Andy

737
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: Dalton problems. I think I had some people in this

738
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: room that agreed with that notion on Friday, and instead,

739
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: Jay Gruden out coached Rex Ryan to the to the

740
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: degree that you wouldn't even believe this game was over

741
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: by the end of the first quarter. And you know,

742
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: the Jets, this is a loss that that is gonna

743
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: be hard for them to recover from. If you ask me,

744
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: I feel like it's hard to take them seriously as

745
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: any type of playoff team. When you get beat up

746
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: this bad, it really shoots a hole in damage checks

747
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: nepotism theory. Yeah, well, well, I think I think Dave said, yeah,

748
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: I think we were talking about Jake Rudin and whether

749
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: he was competent or not, and they the Jets were

750
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: confused all day uh and Dalton was going downfield with accuracy.

751
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean, this was a complete pasting. Doesn't this remind

752
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: you of another Jets loss? Though? During the Rex Ryan era.

753
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I think are you referring to the Patriots

754
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: loss and two days and what happened after that? That

755
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: was a better Jet team? I think a much better

756
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: Jet team. Um, and they kind of ran into a

757
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: buzz this. Yeah, listen, do I think that the Bengals

758
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: are a forty nine nine uh team over the Jets

759
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: every time they play. No, But this was a really

760
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: ugly game. And then I will give you one stat

761
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: as we hop aboard the Gino Coaster. This loss was

762
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: not on him. It was more on the defense, which

763
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: had no pass rush in the secondary which got torched. UM.

764
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: And Uh, Antonio Carmarti has not been the same guy

765
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: since he heard his knee practice three weeks ago. D

766
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: Milner wasn't even competitive. You got benched in the second quarter.

767
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: That is a first round pick Um, and then you

768
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: have Geno Smith who threw two pick six is in

769
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: the second half. The game was three by then, But

770
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: still you can't do that. You can't have those mistakes

771
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: week after week. And his record now after Jet wins

772
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: this season is owing four with one touchdown and nine interceptions.

773
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: So you know, it's just bad all around. Dan. You

774
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: got some grief in the in the newsroom from my boss,

775
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: all of our bosses on you being harsh on the

776
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: Jets and how embarrassing it was, and you said that

777
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: actually you were holding back, that you had to delete

778
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: some of the vitriol that was on the page. That

779
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: sounded too much like an angry Homer. I want to

780
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: hear what that vitriol was. Well, they gotta. Basically my

781
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: point was was this was the loss, not just any loss,

782
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: the type of loss that could really uh destruct the season.

783
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: I think it is that type of ability because it

784
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: completely knocks the wind out of their sales. It's that

785
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: great win over the Patriots last Sunday, It's like it

786
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: never happened now and now you have to go and

787
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: face Drew Brees and you know if they get wiped

788
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: out then and then go into their by all of

789
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, they're kind of close to where a lot

790
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: of people maybe thought they were gonna be four and five,

791
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: still a little over performing, but you know, they just

792
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: had a lot of momentum and they and they blew it.

793
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: And a lot of that has to go back to

794
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan, who I think is on pace to keep

795
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: that job. But when you have your team get outplayed

796
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: this badly in this type of spot, it does reflect

797
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: on the head coach. You know, we talked about this

798
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: being the game of the week on the last podcast. Well,

799
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: no sense. You've got two teams in the a f

800
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: C that we're not sure about, right, especially over on

801
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: Cincinnati side. With Andy Dalton, an easy target who actually

802
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: we all know has played really, really well over the

803
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: last three or four games. They went out and took

804
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: care of business. Five touchdown passes for Dalton, four of

805
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: them to Marvin Jones. This offense is not a mirrage.

806
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, and Andy Dalton deserves his due. The Bengals

807
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: in general deserve the due because I feel like, you know,

808
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: they kind of keep going to the radar even though

809
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 1: they're now six and two. Dalton is in his last

810
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: three games has thrown for eleven touchdowns, one interception. He's

811
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: thrown for over a thousand yards yards in the last

812
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: three games. Um, after that little slump, he he's gotten better.

813
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: And I was asking West about the A D. Does

814
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: this move him or does this change a D your

815
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: scale at all? Which was an explanment, what is the

816
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: explanation of a D? Again, West, a D is after

817
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: Dalton Any quarterback ranked over him is not a solution.

818
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: He's Any quarterback rank behind him is not a solution.

819
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: He's a problem. And to me, that's the beauty of

820
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: the after Dalton scale. It's it slides back and forth,

821
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: and we had that in mind when we created it,

822
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: that he wasn't always going to be the ranked quarterback.

823
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: He might be the sixteenth, but I doubt he'll ever

824
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: be higher than that. How many more games does he

825
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: have to put together before this messes up the whole scale?

826
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: Though he has to do this in the postseason. Guy,

827
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: We've seen this the last two years. He has good

828
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: statistical games in the first half and at mid season,

829
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: and he totally craters down the stretch. So we need

830
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: him to show us that he's that guy, all right?

831
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: Moving on, uh Andre Ellington rushed for a hundred and

832
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: fifty four yards on fifteen carries, including an eighty yard

833
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: touchdown run, and the Cardinals intercepted Ryan four times win

834
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: over the Falcons. Greg I don't know something about these Cardinals.

835
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: Last two times Matt Ryan's played him, he got picked

836
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: off five times last year in November, they Falcon still

837
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: won the game, and then four times this year although

838
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: a couple of them were late and just desperate situations.

839
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: The Cardinals defense, Westling spoke about it the other day.

840
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: I think he's believed in them even more than me.

841
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: There they have to be one of the most underrated groups.

842
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: It was one of the most dominant performances of any

843
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: defense I've seen this year. They gave up a few

844
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: red zone trips early, but after that they stuffed Stephen Jackson,

845
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan more rushing yards and Stephen Jackson they were

846
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: at rushed for twenty seven yards total. Clayiss Campbell had

847
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: a huge game, Daryl Washington had a big game, Tyron

848
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: Matthew had a big game. Everyone made plays for that team,

849
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: and it was just a dominant performance. And they couldn't

850
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: get any pass rush on Carson Palmer. And they're four

851
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: and four. They're They're a team I think that deserves

852
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: to be four and four. I know you think I'm

853
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: picking on this quarterback, but the Cardinals defense also looked

854
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: good because they got to play against Mount Ryan and

855
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: the Falcons. I don't think I think he's played great

856
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: all seasons, but they're not the same offense without Roddy

857
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: White and Julio Jones. And I know people want to

858
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: point to the Buccaneers game against the quitting defense and

859
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: say he played great, but this isn't the same as

860
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: playing a real defense. Well who I never expected them

861
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: to be the same defense without those two guys, And

862
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: this is really the first game other than that Bucks

863
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: game that that's been the case. I don't expect them

864
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: to be particularly good. I think they have one of

865
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: the worst five defenses in the league, and they're gonna

866
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: have to have everything go right on offense to score

867
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: a lot of points and win games. And he made

868
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: some bad decisions today. Eight teen targets for Harry Douglas.

869
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: Although Harry Douglas a week ago, and listen, we didn't

870
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: when they beat the Bucks. The Bucks were at that

871
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: point one of the seene one of the better defenses

872
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: in football we've seen since that that's they've crumbled to

873
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: some degree. But aren't the Falcons now In this group

874
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: of teams, the Steelers, the rest of these teams are

875
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: talking about that. The Jets one week they look good,

876
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: the next week they look like utter junk because they

877
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: lack talent right now and they're completely inconsistent. They've got

878
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: so many holes. Their running game is that awful? I

879
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: mean Steven Jackson at six yards and eleven carry. So

880
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: it's not quiz Rodgers are those guys, it's the whole team.

881
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: They have no defense. I'm ready to stick a fork

882
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: and um, I know that we're getting ahead of ourselves here,

883
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: but I think this team is done well and on

884
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: both sides of the their offensive line is a disaster,

885
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: and on the defense they have no pass rush and

886
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: they can't stop teams. That's how how many games are

887
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: you gonna win? I said they were done three weeks ago.

888
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: You did, and they have to go to Carolina and

889
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: Green Bay and they play the forty Niners and the

890
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: Seahawks and the Saints are still on the schedule. Fork Committee,

891
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: we have to get together. We have to go in

892
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: a conference room. Bagels, orange shoes, coffee. Let's figure this out.

893
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: We might have to come. We might come out with

894
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: a fork some locks. Can you eat locks? Mark? I

895
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like the first catered event I've ever

896
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: been to. And that takes us to our final game

897
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: of the week. It is Sunday night football game. You know,

898
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: I don't know what we did as a people to

899
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: get stuck with another Vikings primetime game, so so close

900
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: to that abomination against the Giants on Monday night, But

901
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: we got another one tonight, a little more um competitive,

902
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: especially early on, but ultimately the Packers were too much. Here,

903
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: let's start with the fact that Aaron Rodgers made some

904
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: of the best throws that we've seen. I thought Matthew

905
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: Stafford was his last drive was just so awesome today.

906
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: And the Rogers comes out and put a couple of

907
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: throws right away on the dime, and Jordy Nelson shows

908
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 1: once again he's one of the top six or seven

909
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: receivers in the NFL. That that throw that Aaron Rodgers

910
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: throw to Jordy Nelson for the first touchdown of the

911
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: night for Green Bay was one of the most perfect

912
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: passes you could ever throw. And it's a throw that

913
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people can make. Maybe Peyton Manning,

914
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: maybe one or two other guys, maybe Breeze. I can't

915
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: even think about. He couldn't put enough form on that. Well, Um,

916
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: it was a good throw, all right, It was a

917
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: very good throw. I think I heard someone call it

918
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: an ear burner. He had a couple of ear burners

919
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: to Jordy Nelson that and there's gonna be some clown

920
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: in your office tomorrow that. Well, he did great against

921
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: the Vikings past defense, because they're not that great past defense.

922
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter what the defense is when you're

923
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: making those throws. Those are just sensational plays and it's

924
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: amazing to see him carry them with so many injuries around.

925
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: It's a big win for green Bay's defense too, because

926
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: they were stomped by Adrian Peterson last year, absolutely taken

927
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: control by a p And you know what, like green

928
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: Bay's defense, I'm coming around. I was critical of them

929
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: early in the Sea and I think they're playing a

930
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: little more physical than we realized. Well, you know what,

931
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: they're Unlike some football pundits, I'm able to admit when

932
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: I'm wrong about something. Wow, give me an example here.

933
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: The entire nation, everyone that covers football, essentially, anyone with

934
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: an opinion on Carson Palmer in the last five years.

935
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: That's right. West pointed that out in the news room,

936
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: and he's dead on Where Why can't the national TV

937
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: guys admit that Carson Palmer's sort of a disaster. You

938
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: did have a sessler about the Packers going eight and eight,

939
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: which is looking worse by the week. I think the

940
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: definition of Sessler's changing slowly. Um, it's funny you bring

941
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: up their defense because they're doing this without their best

942
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: defensive player and a couple other guys injured on defense,

943
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: and they're playing really well. We're also, by the way,

944
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to if we're gonna go into the

945
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: conference room and talk Atlanta Falcons, the four Committee, we're

946
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna have to also talk about their vikings. So we're gonna,

947
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, we'll have some locks, We'll have some scones,

948
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: what other what other nationality breakfast things that we want

949
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: to get. I don't know if we need that much

950
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: food to talk about. This will be a quick meeting

951
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: with the king. Let's relax a little, think. Somebody bring

952
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: the iPod in and get the bows and we listen

953
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: to some tunes. I have a committed meeting. Um, all right,

954
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: that's it for the games. By the way, one more thing.

955
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: Prianka Chopra international pop star. Uh. We spoke about her

956
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: on Friday, the singer of the Thursday Night football theme

957
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: and uh we've wrote about her extensively last week and

958
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: around the league. Somehow, in two different posts, retweeted something

959
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: that I tweeted out about the end around Calm and

960
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: Greg's guests ran, So that's pretty big time. We also

961
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: got accused, and maybe rightfully so from an outsider's point

962
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: of view, basically touting our networks songstress, but that's not

963
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: the reason we like her. When you're right, you're right.

964
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: I wish I was on the podcast Friday because ever

965
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: since the beginning season, I don't understand why people criticize her.

966
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: It's so obviously a much better song than the Sunday

967
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: Seas Here We Go. I mean, four point eight million

968
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: followers all read your post. I'm sure you have to

969
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: feel like that's gotta be near the top of your

970
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: career achievements. You once interviewed Joe Namath or did okay,

971
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: So that's that's maybe now panas number one. Dan, you

972
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: gotta retweet from what is one of the biggest international

973
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: actresses on Earth, and how many followers did you get

974
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: from it? I got thirty followers, just kidding, I got

975
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: three three. So there's some disconnect here between her fan

976
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: base and general football. I think it's the English English language.

977
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna break down. We're gonna break down those walls

978
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: and maybe we'll do it next week somehow, but for

979
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: now we're done. We will be back on Wednesday, where

980
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: we will what's going on on Wednesday. We're gonna talk

981
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: some football, gonna fork a few teams, We're gonna get forking.

982
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: We're gonna look ahead to the Bengals and Dolphins. We're

983
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna come up with some awards. Oh yeah, Oh, that's

984
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: what it is. We're gonna do some midseason awards which

985
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: people are excited about. There's been a lot of buzz

986
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: nationally about that podcast topic. So getting ready for that.

987
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: Uh So, until then, uh this Stan hands as signing

988
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: off for the Mailman, the Sizzler, the Boss ca Rich

989
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: behind the glass of course, ly on the inside, until

990
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: one stay