1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: It's the big take from Bloomberg News and I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: I'm West Gsova today. Why it really does matter who 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: wins that one single U. S. Senate seat that's up 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: for grabs in Georgia. We we always knew that this 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: race would be close. That's where we are, so y'all 6 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: just hanging there. I'm feeling good. I feel good. I'm 7 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: telling you right now, I'm like Ricket Bobby, I don't 8 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: come to lose. And uh and I told you he's 9 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: gonna be tough to beat. He's gonna be tough to beat. 10 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: But let me tell you why you got the wrong Georgia. Here, 11 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: once again, the balance of power in the US capital 12 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: comes down to a Georgia Senate seat. This time, the 13 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: race between Democrat Raphael Warnick and a Republican Herschel Walker 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: won't decide who controls the Senate. Democrats have already locked 15 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: that up, but adding just one more vote to that 16 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: slimmest of majorities would give Democrats and President Joe Biden 17 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: a surprising amount of power that they won't have if 18 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: Republicans win it. Instead, to explain why that is and 19 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: paint a picture of what's in store, in Washington. I'm 20 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: joined by Mario Parker, who leads Bloomberg's US politics coverage, 21 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: White House correspondent Nancy Cook, and Craig Gordon, Bloomberg's national editor. 22 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: Thanks for having us West really appreciate it. Yeah, we're excited. Craig, 23 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: maybe I'll start with you. We know Democrats have hung 24 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: on to their majority in the Senate by the narrowest 25 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: of margins, So why did it matter if they're able 26 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: to get just one more seat from Georgia. I mean, look, 27 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: anybody who watched the United States Senate for the past 28 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: few years and the Democrats were ostensibly in control found 29 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: out that a fifty fifties Senate with Kamala Harris as 30 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: a tiebreaker is not that great of a Senate majority 31 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: when you have people like Joe Manchup in West Virginia 32 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: himself probably facing a tough race next in a couple 33 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: of years Christian Cinema there from Arizona. So anything they 34 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: can do to sort of pad that margin and make 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: not every single vote sort of uh you know, you know, 36 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: perilous last minute thing where they have to drive the 37 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: Vice president of the Capitol is pretty important. I think 38 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: it's even more important now that we know the Republicans 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: will control the House. Um. You know, Biden had both 40 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: the Senate and the House for the first two years, uh, 41 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: and did get some stuff done over the summer. But 42 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: now he's gonna he'd be dealing with, you know, the 43 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: House Republicans. There are probably a lot of investigations of 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: his son, of the border, of every other thing. So 45 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: having a little bit of a cushion in the Senate 46 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: to try to get some stuff through there and you know, 47 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: passive bills, and try to put some pressure on the 48 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: House Republicans to say, hey, you want to be just 49 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: obstructionist or do you want to actually get some stuff 50 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: done for the country. I think it's really crucial. Um. 51 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a subtle argument to make 52 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: in the state of Georgia, but we in Washington know 53 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: that's a that's a pretty big deal. And I think 54 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: to Craig's point, we've all seen the cutaways during the 55 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: consequential votes where it's like Vice President Kamala Harris is 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: heading back to the Capitol again. I think for her politically, 57 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: this will be a relief because she doesn't have to 58 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: be asked tethered to Washington, and that has ramifications for 59 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: that field as well. Right Republicans have this deep bench 60 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: of people behind former President Donald Trump. Kamala Harris wants 61 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: to be the air appearance to Biden, but she just 62 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: hasn't had the same opportunity to get out in campaign. 63 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: This frees her up a little bit more to to 64 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: really boost her profile outside of Washington, d C. That's 65 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: really good point, and we're gonna come back to the 66 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: consequences for the four race just in a little bit, Nancy, 67 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you. Craig had mentioned Joe Manson, 68 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: the Democrat from West Virginia who tied up Biden's agenda 69 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: with all kinds of demands, greatly shrank it in the 70 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: amount of money, in the scope of of the thing. 71 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: How would more democratic seat if Raphael Warneck the Democrat 72 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: and Georgia wins, how would that affect Biden's ability to 73 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: kind of push things through at least the Senate side 74 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: of the Capitol. Well, and there's a bunch of things 75 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: that he will want to push through, particularly like judicial nominations. 76 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: That's a very key thing um over the next two years. 77 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: But just not having to cater to Joe Mansion would 78 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: be such a big deal for this White House if 79 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: they can hold that Georgia Senate seat. There is a 80 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: whole apparatus in the White House that's basically like the 81 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: catering to Joe Mansion department. Remind people what exactly Joe 82 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: Mansion do. That's so hamstrung the Biden administration. Well, basically 83 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: the sweeping legislative package that the Biden team was originally 84 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: calling Build Back Better, which was worth trillions of dollars 85 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: and had clean energy stuff but also more money for 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: childcare centers and community college and pre k. Basically, Mansion 87 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: singularly totally scaled that back because he said he was 88 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: worried about inflation and didn't like the size of it. 89 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: So they did end up passing sort of a a 90 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: secondary version of it called the Inflation Reduction Act, but 91 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: it was much much smaller and centered around things like healthcare, 92 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: clean energy tax credits, um and it's it's just it 93 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: really shrank the ambitions of the Biden team. So, Craig, 94 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: you know, if you have that one extra vote, like 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: you were talking about, it's easier to be a single standout, 96 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: but kind of hard to have two standouts that can 97 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: withstand the full pressure of the White House and the 98 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: Party to get something done that's right. And in the 99 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 1: case of Mansion, um, he being from a cold state, 100 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: took a lot of these sort of green energy proposals 101 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: very seriously thought I thought they were sort of a 102 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: threat to his hometown economy. Basically, I don't think christ 103 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: and Cinema sort of shares his passion on some of 104 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: those issues. So green, green jobs, green tech, electric vehicle subsidies, 105 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: things like that that Biden might want to try to 106 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: do it in the next two years, probably have an 107 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: easier road. But you know, she was pretty feisty on 108 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: on the budget deficit stuff. I mean, she was very 109 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: sort of fiscally conservative, So I could see places where 110 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: Mansion and Cinema still lock arms and even with the 111 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: one extra if Nack pulls it off, still not enough. 112 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 1: But I do think it just makes his road better, 113 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: and it sounds like it puts a lot of people 114 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: in the in the what do we do about Joe 115 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: Mansion Department out of work inside the by and the 116 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: White House. And just one more thing I would want 117 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: to point out is that the map for Democrats in 118 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: the Senate is much tougher, and so I think that 119 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: they want to have all the winds that they can 120 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: have now because I think in two years, defending the 121 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: Senate and holding onto it will be much trickier. And 122 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: I think that that's something that the White House is 123 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: aware of. It's also not crazy to imagine a Supreme 124 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: Court nomination coming up potentially in the next two years. 125 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: God only knows what could happen there. We've seen some 126 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: real big surprises obviously with bager Ginsburg and such. So 127 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: then even there, just that one vote could could make 128 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: the difference between someone getting onto the Supreme Court and 129 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: not getting on the Supreme Court. Yeah. And aside from 130 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: that court picks obviously a big deal, and just having 131 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: that extra vote, there's the whole mechanics of the Senate 132 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: and in Senate committees and how their divided it in 133 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: the votes. To Mario, can you just kind of layout 134 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: why having one extra Democrat really affects the way just 135 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: the business of the Senate gets done. Yeah, President Biden. 136 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: I think over this past weekend he was asked about 137 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: why fifty one matters, and he said, it's just better, 138 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: It's right. So you take that's a former Saturday exactly, 139 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: exactly and exactly, and it's that's the that's the Joe 140 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: Biden that was in the Senate for what almost four decades, 141 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: And so you get an extra seed on and cushy 142 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: committees like the Intelligence Committee, the Armed Services Committee, the 143 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: Foreign Relations Committee. I mean that's quite important, particularly given 144 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: what we've seen from Republicans talking about Ukraine AID as well, 145 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: and some of the things that are going on in 146 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: Europe and in the Middle East also, so you get 147 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: the Democrats get an advantage and some of those key committees. Nancy, 148 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: Craig and Mario please stick around. We'll continue this conversation 149 00:07:54,000 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: after the break. Nancy, we've talked about why this Georgia 150 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: Senate seat is so important. Bring us up to speed. 151 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: What's the latest in the race between Walker and Warnick. Well, um, 152 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: it's getting really ugly and dirty down there, I would 153 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: say in Georgia there's a lot of mud slinging from 154 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: both candidates as to you know, what they stand for, 155 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: a lot of accusations. M Herschel. Walker is saying that, 156 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, um, Raphael Warnock his church oversaw housing complex 157 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: that did not treat tenants. Well, well, I don't want 158 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: anyone evicted that people behind us right now is being evicted. Yes, 159 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: it's true, and he knew about it. You know, there's 160 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: been a lot of allegations from women, not necessarily the 161 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: Democratic Party about Walker's own stance on abortion. We do 162 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: know that my opponent has trouble with the truth, but 163 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: I am focused squarely on the healthcare needs of my constituents, 164 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: including reproductive healthcare, and so they've really sort of been 165 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: going after each other in a in a pretty extreme way, 166 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: and that just keeps ramping up um. I think that 167 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: the concern sort of a few weeks ago was what 168 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: would the turnout look like? But what we have seen 169 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: so far is the turnout has been gangbusters on both sides, 170 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: and we're seeing that Black Georgians are outpacing other demographic 171 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: groups in terms of the turnout um, which could potentially 172 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: favor the Democrats or does historically in elections. And so 173 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: but it's interesting because I think people were really feeling 174 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: like whoever had the best turnout would win the election, 175 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: and we've just seen a huge number of people voting. 176 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: So when thing you mentioned is how Black Georgians are 177 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: turning out more obviously in Georgia, like a lot of states, 178 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: cities tend to be more democratic, the suburbs and in 179 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: the rural areas tend to be more Republican. Do we 180 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: know how the voting is going breaking down? From what 181 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: we've seen from all these early votes, it looks like 182 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: it's as as you kind of outlined West, A lot 183 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: of the metropolitan Atlanta is having a strong turnout by 184 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: all indications. There's been just rams of pictures on social 185 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: media with the long lines that were you accustomed to 186 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: sing and Georgia elections, And at one point, I think 187 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: that's important. We just spent a bit of time talking 188 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: about why fifty one matters were all Washington insiders, right, 189 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: even though we don't want to be told that we 190 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: we understand some of the parliamentarian rules, the average voter doesn't, right. 191 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: So the fact that Democrats were able to withstand a 192 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: red wave, it kind of removes the Republican argument that, hey, 193 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: this seat is so consequential, it's a it's a way 194 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: to change the control of the chamber. Republicans don't have 195 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: that advantage as they seek to stoke that some of 196 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: their voters, So you mean that that may just make 197 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: it to the Republicans who thought there was a lot 198 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: of stake with show upen this time. They're like exactly, 199 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: especially when you have a candidate as you mentioned, like 200 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: herschel Walker who uh is unorthodox to say the least, 201 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: and uh and a lot of the base had a 202 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: problem with him. And you see some of the ads 203 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: with Warnock right out, he's attacking that weak spot where 204 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: he's running ads with Republicans, particularly as Nancy mentioned, Uh, 205 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: black Georgians are important, but what Warnock is doing is 206 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: running as with white Republicans saying, hey, you know what 207 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: this guy, herschel Walker, I'm not sure about him, right, 208 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: So he's trying to punch that weak spot at herschel 209 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: Walker head Craig, that's an interesting point, um that you 210 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: see a lot of Democrats who are kind of excited 211 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: about Warnock. They feel like he's good. Kennedy obviously one once. 212 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: He's got a pretty good record in history to tell. 213 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: Whereas herschel Walker, you know, he's got a baggage with 214 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: abortion where he you know, asked UH women to get abortions, 215 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: which he's denied. He has a problem with the residency 216 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: where it turns out of lived in Texas until five 217 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: minutes ago. In political terms, Um, you see a lot 218 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: of big Republicans, like the governor of Georgia, like Minority 219 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: Leader Mitch McConnell, and the Senate all coming around Walker. 220 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: But they don't seem like they're all excited about herschel Walker. 221 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: They just seem like they're excited about the idea of 222 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: a Republican winning. And as we said earlier, that's a 223 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: very subtle argument to try to make, you know, just 224 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: we need to get our guy into the Senate. It's 225 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: not gonna make a difference on the majority, but it's 226 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: better to have our guy than their guy. I just 227 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: think I think, you know, a pretty honest political assessment 228 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: would be there's a certain amount of Republicans that kind 229 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: of held their nose and voted for herschel Walker. Um, 230 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: them shows a lot of people that love them. Certainly 231 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: was a massive football star for the University George down there. 232 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's got a legion of followers, but I 233 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: have a feeling there's a not insignificant sliver of people 234 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: who pulled the lever for him that day that maybe 235 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: didn't love that so much. And now that Senate controls 236 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: off the table. It's a little bit harder to see 237 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: them getting excited, you know, to sort of get out 238 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: and vote on, you know, during during the runoff. All 239 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: of which is a way of saying, if I were 240 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: I would much rather be playing Warnox hand right now. 241 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: He's doubled his fundraising during the runoff. He's doubled his 242 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: ad spending. Warnock had ads on during the Macy's Day 243 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: parade on Thanksgiving. Politics these days is often used to 244 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: divide us, but Thanksgiving offers us an opportunity to consider 245 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: all the things we share and come and so it 246 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: does feel like there's a little tiny bit of momentum 247 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: building up, building up for Warnock, who haven't seen a 248 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: stream of Republicans coming into the States to stand with her. 249 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: Shol and all of that. And remember he already underperformed 250 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: Kemp by two hundred thousand votes on election day. So kemping, 251 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: of course, the governor of Georgia, the Brian Kemp, the 252 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: governor Georgia who won handily over Stacey Abrams, a Democrat. Um, 253 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, so there's just a lot of he's facing 254 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: a lot of headwinds right now. Um. The early voting 255 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: numbers hundred fifty six thousand people voted this weekend in Georgia, 256 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: heavily in Black Metro Atlanta, places like Athens, Savannah, Columbus. 257 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: I mean, these are these are Democratic voters, heavily of 258 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: African American voters. These are really good signs for Raphael Warnock. 259 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: And remember Brian Kemp, the governor. Kemp kept kept Walker 260 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: at a distance throughout its hell. It's hell, he was 261 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: saved himself, So I may voters see that. We we 262 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: can't take for granted the voters intelligence on that issue, 263 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: so they they can tell the difference between the fact 264 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: if Kimp was absent for a long period of time 265 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: until he was okay himself. Well, listen, I was focused 266 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: on making sure that I got re elected. And it 267 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: wasn't just helping me, it was helping our whole ticket. 268 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: We had a really good night here in Georgia. We 269 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: want every you know, statewide race. Republicans did Nancy. One 270 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: interesting thing we're seeing is that evangelical voters are backing 271 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: herschel Walker even though Raphael Warnock is a minister. And 272 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: so there's that unusual split that we've seen. We saw 273 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: it with Donald Trump versus Joe Biden, Donald Trump versus 274 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: all Democrats, really where Evangelical closed backed him up in 275 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: part because he was pushing Supreme Court justices, which was 276 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: a really big issue, in part on the abortion issue. 277 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: But for Herschel Walker, abortion is a much more complicated thing. 278 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: It definitely is because there have been all these I've 279 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: sort of lost track. I think at least two or 280 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: three women who have said at this point that Walker 281 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: asked them personal to get abortions. As you said, he 282 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: has denied it. But I think that what has been 283 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: important with evangelical voters is just what these politicians promised 284 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: to do with their vote when they have it, not 285 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: necessarily their personal action. We saw the same thing with Trump. 286 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: We saw Trump making comments during the twenty sixteen campaign 287 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: on the Hollywood Access tape where he talked about women 288 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: how you can just grab them. Evangelical still voted for 289 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: him based on his policy stands and what he said 290 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: he would do with abortion, and I think we're seeing 291 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: the same dynamic play out with Walker. Um. I just 292 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: think the one interesting thing to look at is, you 293 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: know a lot of the Trump backed candidates in the 294 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: midterms did not win, and Walker is a Trump back candidate. 295 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: So I think that this will be a final test 296 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: ahead of about how much Trump's endorsement and the candidates 297 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: that he has hand picked how well they actually do well. 298 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: Of course, Donald Trump is going to walk into any 299 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: conversation like this, so since he did, let's spend just 300 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: a minute on that. Uh, Trump is not going down 301 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: to Georgia. I guess he's in Florida, going oh to 302 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: Georgia to campaign in person for herschel walk her Um, 303 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: And there's some speculation that is because Walker and Republicans 304 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: don't want Trump near him for exactly the reason you 305 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: just said, Nancy Craig, Um, what is Trump's uh sort 306 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: of value or possibly his you know, lack of value 307 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: to this race. Yeah, He's definitely you know, he's doing 308 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: some fundraising calls and doing some you know, sort of 309 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: email appeals. So his name is is around in Georgia, 310 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: heavily targeted, highly targeted to the voters that where that 311 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: would be an appeal. But I think Donald Trump motivates 312 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: Democrats to get to the polls a lot more than 313 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: you motivates Republicans to get to the polls. These days, 314 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: it would have been criminal malpractice for Donald Trump to 315 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: show up in Georgia and stand next to Herschel Walker, 316 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: just because if you're a Republican and you're gonna you know, 317 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: you're thinking about Walker Trump showing up, It's hard to 318 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: imagine it sways you all that much one way or 319 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: the other. You're with Herschel and you're gonna go when 320 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna vote Democrats. They get blood in their eyes 321 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: when they see Donald Trump and there he is right 322 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: in their state, reminding them of all the reasons why 323 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: they know voted for Joe Biden twenty of the narrow 324 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: wind that turned Georgia, then why they would for warnut 325 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: the first time, why they want to vote for him 326 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: a second time. So, you know, a rare bit of 327 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: discretion from the former president who usually doesn't much like 328 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: to be told where he can and can't go. Actually 329 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: a smart move on his part, But boy does that 330 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: just shout about his devalued status as is a Republican 331 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: U kingmaker. Obviously, his hand to candidate in Pennsylvania, Mdaz 332 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: lost his hampy candidate in Arizona for governor loss, Gary Lake. 333 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: There's an argument to be made the Republicans could control 334 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: the Senate right now if Donald Trump had a little 335 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: bit less to do with picking their candidates and some 336 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: of these races. Um and so I think as we 337 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,239 Speaker 1: all watched that pretty flat announcement the past couple of 338 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: weeks of some pretty rough commentary on the former president, 339 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: again a rare moment when he actually kind of did 340 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: the right thing for his party and for his candidate 341 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: by just staying the heck away. When we come back, 342 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna look ahead to the next couple of years 343 00:17:49,760 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: and believe it or not, the next presidential race Murrio 344 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: now looking ahead passed this election. Democrats have held on 345 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: to the Senate, but they did lose the House, which 346 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: means Republicans there will be trying to block Biden's every move. 347 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: What do the next two years in Washington look like 348 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to getting anything done? Yeah, well, it 349 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: gives it gives a president Biden a bit of a buffer, right, So, 350 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't have two chambers giving him a 351 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: headache as as he will have the one in the House, 352 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: which is as we mentioned earlier, there will be investigations 353 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: on everything from the Afghanistan withdrawal to his his son 354 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: Harnson Biden as well. Uh, so the Senate at least 355 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to worry about that, and and he 356 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: could still try to find earnestly, try to find some 357 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: ways to compromise, right, Uh, score some political points, as 358 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: Craig mentioned, by by having some legislation come out of 359 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: the Senate and force House Republicans to either be obstructionists 360 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 1: or go along with the with with the president. Let 361 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: me ask you about that, because you know, Biden does 362 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: have that senator's sensibility where he believes in the better 363 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: angels and people can really compromise on policy and ideas. 364 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: And you know, it seems pretty quaint now because it 365 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: seems like politics and d C is about not just 366 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: winning but about punishing the other side. And if you 367 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: look at the House, do they really want to be 368 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: seen as compromising with Joe Biden in any kind of 369 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: way or do they actually think it's better to be 370 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: seen as obstructing That obstruction used to be a bad 371 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: we're in Washington now for certain people it seems to 372 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: be what you want. Yeah. Well, I've mentioned the word headache, right, 373 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: So if Biden has a headache from the House, you 374 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: gotta imagine what Kevin McCarthy is gonna have and that's 375 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. Of course, the minority leader wants to be 376 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: Speaker of the House exactly. So he's got one wink 377 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: of his party that wants nothing but revenge for everything 378 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: going back to twenties twenty and then some of the 379 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: investigations under former President Donald Trump. She got voters, they've 380 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: got a very thin majority, underwhelming performs in amidstorms, voters 381 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: are showing that they have little appetite for this vengeance 382 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: tour as well. So he's going to have to figure 383 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: out how to corral his His clock is there, Nancy Um. 384 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is looking at running for president, kind of 385 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: looks like he's gonna run. He hasn't said he's gonna run. 386 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: There's questions about his age, there's questions about whether somebody 387 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: else should pick it up or if Biden is the 388 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: only one. All that's swirling around. You cover the Biden administration, 389 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: What do you see? So I see a president and 390 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: a top White House staff that was very, very emboldened 391 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: by the mid terms. Um even though they lost the House, 392 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: it was by a much smaller margin than they thought. 393 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: They held the Senate, which they were super excited about 394 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: and they did that amid like the highest inflation in 395 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: forty years, and amid the presidential approval rating which was 396 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: pretty low. And so they are feeling great. They're feeling like, 397 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: you know, Biden just you can tell when you're around them, 398 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: they're they're like in a good boot, their jovial, all 399 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 1: the presence, in a great mood. Do they think it's 400 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 1: cause Biden? Like, do they think that this is proof 401 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: that Biden's agenda is working? They do, they believe that. 402 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: In a press conference the day after the midterms, a 403 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: reporter asked the president, are you going to do anything differently? 404 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: You know, it seems like you have lost the House. 405 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: You know, what do you plan to do differently? And 406 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: he said, I thought this was such an interesting, amazing answer. Nothing, 407 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: because they're just finding out what we're doing. The more 408 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: they know about what we're doing, the more support there is, 409 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: so they really feel like they were vindicated. And I 410 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, he hasn't made a decision yet about whether 411 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: or not he's going to run, but my money would 412 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: be on him running again. And he's eighty and so 413 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: he would be at the end of a second term 414 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: if he got re elected eighty six, and so I 415 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: think the real question in the Democratic Party is that, 416 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's an age thing. Is that too old 417 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: to run? Craig. You know, Joe Biden and his team, 418 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: like Nancy says, are taking their victory lap on this 419 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: one because at least they held off you know, the 420 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: worst outcome. But Biden's numbers are looking pretty bad. Do 421 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: you think the American people think that Joe Biden won 422 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: this election? Like, do they think that he's doing a 423 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: great job? Yeah, I mean, in ratings are not where 424 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: they need to be. But in a lot of ways, 425 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: I would argue that sort of makes the the enormity 426 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: of the victory a few weeks back, as you know, 427 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: as enormous as it is. Um he went up against 428 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: historical trends, one of the best you know, mid terms 429 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: for any president, you know, and memory almost a low 430 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: approval rating one of the main things you look at 431 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: in that historical trend. His isn't great and he still 432 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: managed to pull it off. So they have they have 433 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: some real justifiable reasons to feel good about this. I 434 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: guess I sort of look at it as the you know, 435 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: it was sort of like your country needs you, Joe 436 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: in and he pulled it off and he beat Donald Trump. 437 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: I think he would have a pretty good shot to 438 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 1: beat Donald Trump again. The danger for Joe Biden if 439 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: he does run, and I'm I'm with Nancy thinking that 440 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: he will run. Anyone who watched that day after the 441 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: election press conference that that's the guy who's running for president. Um, 442 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: if it's not Donald Trump, that's a much tougher thing. 443 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: You know. Obviously a lot of buzz around round to Santis, 444 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: the Florida governor who had an enormous victory on election night, 445 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: twenty points carried Miami Dade County, heavily democratic Miami Dade 446 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: um area. There he is, he is riding very high. 447 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: So now you have with Trump, you don't have so 448 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: much of an age contrast or roughly similar to Santis 449 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: is very young, much much difference, very much the next generation. 450 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: Americans always like to pick the next generation for their 451 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: president and not really look backwards. So you know, tell 452 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: me who his opponent is going to be, and I'll 453 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: tell you how he does. I actually do think he 454 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: could sort of replicate the Biden you know, the Biden coalition, 455 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, in to be Donald Trump. 456 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: Isn't enough to beat any of a few other people. 457 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: That's a much higher hill to climb. But it probably 458 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: with the Democrats is their bench is not is not great. 459 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: And there we come to Vice President Kamala Harris. Um again, 460 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: I think she would be almost the guaranteed successor. She 461 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: is the vice president, historic figure. I was the first 462 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: African American South Indian American. Very hard for the Democratic 463 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: Party to say, you know what, Kamala, you didn't do 464 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: such a great job as vice president, We're going to 465 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: go with a Gavin Newsome or fill in the name 466 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: of somebody else. Not a lot there beyond her obviously historic, 467 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: the historic nature of her own vice presidency to get 468 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 1: excited about for Democrats as an electoral force in twenty 469 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: four Do we hear Craigs bailing out this kind of 470 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: dilemma that the Democrats have where it would be really 471 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: difficult for them not to make Kamala Harris if Joe 472 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: Biden didn't run for one reason or another, but not 473 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: a whole lot of enthusiasm about her as a candidate. 474 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: What do you see from sort of inside the White 475 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: House about that question of is Kamala Harris the default 476 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: Democratic pick if Joe Biden isn't running again, well, I 477 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: think that that is part of the reason. I mean, 478 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: I think Trump and and also that quandary is exactly 479 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: why Biden would run again. Like there's not I don't 480 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: think that the White House views her vice president see 481 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: is something that has been you know, it's been a 482 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: real mixed bag. There's been a lot of stuff turnover, 483 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: a lot of problems, and so I don't think it's 484 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: something that people inside the White House would feel totally 485 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: comfortable having her be the successor um and so, you know, 486 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: I just think they're really conscious of that, and I 487 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: think that that will factor into Biden's decision, along with 488 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: the idea that like he's the one that can stop Trump. 489 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: You know, he is a centrist Democrat at a time 490 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: and a lot of progressives are pulling the party very 491 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: far left. There's a firm belief inside the White House 492 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: that that is a very key part of him running, too, 493 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: because regular Americans, they think, want and more centrist approach 494 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: than you know what some of the Hill Democrats are proposing. UM. 495 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: But I do think if she did, if Biden didn't run, 496 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: and she ran, there would also be a bunch of 497 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: Democrats who would jump into the race, governors like Pritzker, 498 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: m Or in Illinois, Gavin Newsom of California. It would 499 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: just be like a much more wide open field. Um. 500 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: But it's just been tricky because Democrats haven't really had 501 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: as much success building the just as Republicans. And I 502 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: think there's a much wider Republican field of people who 503 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: have eyed or expressed interest in writing for the presidency. Mario, 504 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna get the last word here. Um. You heard 505 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: both Craig and Nancy said they think that Joe Biden 506 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: looks the guy who's running. Um. You covered Donald Trump 507 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: as White House correspondent. Do you think Biden versus Trump 508 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: to Biden or Trump wins? And if it's not Trump 509 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: and it's someone like de Santis in Florida under stantists, 510 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: can Biden beat him? Great question. Well, I think in 511 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: terms of Biden Trump, the poll show that Biden would 512 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: steal is former President Donald Trump two point o rematch. 513 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: I think that as we we talk about this right 514 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: now at this moment, what's uh you call it symmetry, poetry, 515 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: whatever your favorite term is. But Biden has often said 516 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: this Charlotteville was the impetus for him running, the white supremacists, etcetera. 517 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: As we're recording this right now, Donald Trump is still 518 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: dealing with aftermath of sitting with a white supremacist as well, 519 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: right so that has to inform the beginner that he 520 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: had in Florida exactly exactly. So if you're one, if 521 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: you're Biden, and you're deliberating on too as to whether 522 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: to run again, this is a nice sign if you 523 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: want it, right for for you to be emboldened Biden 524 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: versus the Santis again. Right now, the polls show many 525 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: of the posts show Biden edging him, but I think 526 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: that Republicans will welcome that one for sure. Mario Parker, 527 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: Man c Cook, and Craig Gordon, thanks so much for 528 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: coming on the show. Thanks for having us. Thanks. You 529 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: can read more from Craig Gordon, Mario Parker, and Nancy Cook, 530 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: and follow all of Bloomberg's politics and election coverage at 531 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot com. Thanks for listening to us here at 532 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: The Big Take, the Daily podcast from Bloomberg and I 533 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. 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