WEBVTT - Chapter Two: The London Boy (1962-1966)

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<v Speaker 1>Off the Record was a production of I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>They say there's no such thing as bad publicity. Seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>year old David Bowie knew that distinctively. That's why he

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<v Speaker 1>ended up on television talking passionately about his hair. It

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<v Speaker 1>was nineteen sixty four, a time when long locks on

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<v Speaker 1>men seemed to signal a total breakdown of law and order,

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<v Speaker 1>the end of Western civilization as we know it. The

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<v Speaker 1>Beatles on the Rolling Stones had caused a cultural uproar

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<v Speaker 1>with their shaggy mop tops. But David Bowie was not

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<v Speaker 1>a Beatle or a Stone, not even close. Hell, he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't even David Bowie. He was stuck living life as

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<v Speaker 1>Davy Jones, frontman for an endless string of doomed R

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<v Speaker 1>and B outfits. David had met Paul McCartney once in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid sixties, but definitely not as a peer. He

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<v Speaker 1>camped outside Maca's London pad with the other group He's

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to catch a glimpse. Amazingly, this earned David and

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<v Speaker 1>audience with the cute one, who invited him to come inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul politely listened to some of David's demos before wishing

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<v Speaker 1>him well and sending him on his way. That was

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<v Speaker 1>about the extent of David's fastness. The incident was fitting.

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<v Speaker 1>If Swinging London was a party, David hadn't been invited. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he was outside in the cold, nose pressed against the glass,

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<v Speaker 1>watching all the fund go down without him. Betrailing. The

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<v Speaker 1>pack of pop stars did have an advantage. It allowed

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<v Speaker 1>David to study them intently, reverse engineering the image and

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<v Speaker 1>affectations that came to them so naturally. So if the

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<v Speaker 1>Beatles and the Stones had long hair, he'd simply grow

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<v Speaker 1>his longer. Some slick talk led to an appearance on

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<v Speaker 1>a BBC Current affairs program called Tonight, where David heralded

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<v Speaker 1>the rebellion of the long hairs. The grainy black and

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<v Speaker 1>white footage, among the earliest filmed appearances of David known

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<v Speaker 1>to exist, shows him poised, stern and unsmiling, with his

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<v Speaker 1>mismatched dies peering out from underneath his flaxen fringe. He's

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<v Speaker 1>promoting not his band, but his club, the Society for

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<v Speaker 1>the Prevention of Cruelty to Long Haired Men. David somehow

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<v Speaker 1>managed to keep a straight face as he railed against

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<v Speaker 1>the injustices faced by both himself and this hairsuit brethren.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all fairly tolerant, he deadpans, but for the last

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<v Speaker 1>two years we've had comments like darling and can I

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<v Speaker 1>carry your handbag? Thrown at us. It has to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>The bemused host asks if David modeled his hair after

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<v Speaker 1>the Rolling Stones. David's strenuous denial comes a little too quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>The clip is hilarious, and the funniest part, the Club's

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<v Speaker 1>not even real. At age seventeen, David had already learned

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<v Speaker 1>how to cultivate an image and use it to manipulate

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<v Speaker 1>the national media. You can't help but be impressed. His

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<v Speaker 1>day job at an advertising agency left him particularly well

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<v Speaker 1>suited to sell this most important of products himself. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>perfect the technique and used to come viewed today. The

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight clip is a kind the watching an early rocket

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<v Speaker 1>test for a mission that would ultimately launch David out

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<v Speaker 1>of the stratosphere. The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty

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<v Speaker 1>to Long Haired Man Sham is admittedly very, very silly,

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<v Speaker 1>but hey, David had finagle himself a spot on the

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<v Speaker 1>Tube that alone gave him at least a shred of cred.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other show biz wannabes yet When it came

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<v Speaker 1>to David's music, no one wanted to know he'd returned

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<v Speaker 1>to the BBC within a year with his band. While

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<v Speaker 1>auditioned for a performance spot on the radio, the judge's

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<v Speaker 1>responses were unanimous. I don't think the group will get

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<v Speaker 1>better with rehearsal. The singer's not particularly exciting, the routines

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<v Speaker 1>dull and inoffensive, pleasant, nothing. There's no entertainment value in

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<v Speaker 1>anything they do. It's just a group, and a very

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary one too, backing a singer devoid of personality. Vicious absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>But in a way the stuffed suits at the network

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<v Speaker 1>weren't wrong. David was so successful at mimicking successful people

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<v Speaker 1>that he muted all the things that made him unique.

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<v Speaker 1>He was all bluff but no heart, all image but

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<v Speaker 1>no substance. Not yet. At least it was a learning

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<v Speaker 1>period to the future star. Before he's Supernova and the

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<v Speaker 1>David Bowie, he was David Jones, a follower and a fan,

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<v Speaker 1>just another one of the London boys. Hello and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Off the Record, the show that goes beyond the

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<v Speaker 1>songs and into the hearts and minds of rocks, grateus Legends.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jordan run Talk. This season explores the

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<v Speaker 1>life or should we say lives of David Bowen. In

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, We're gonna talk about David the Maud, the

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<v Speaker 1>relentlessly ambitious team struggling to find his place in the

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<v Speaker 1>pop pecking order of sixties London, August, a major day

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of popular music. Today, the future David

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<v Speaker 1>Bowie has his first recording session. Think of all the

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<v Speaker 1>incredible albums to come, Hunky Dorry, Ziggy, Start Us Station,

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<v Speaker 1>The Station, Low Heroes, Young Americans, it can all be

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<v Speaker 1>traced to the single day. Unfortunately, the day in question

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<v Speaker 1>was an unmitigated catastrophe. It all started off so promising, too,

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<v Speaker 1>like something out of a movie. The assistant for a

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<v Speaker 1>big time agent happened to catch David's high school band,

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<v Speaker 1>the Conrads, performing at a youth fair and liked what

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<v Speaker 1>he heard. This guy had recently signed another local band

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<v Speaker 1>called the Rolling Stones, and he thought, maybe, just maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>the Conrads might be the next big thing, so he

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<v Speaker 1>invited the group to audition at Decca, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest record labels in the country. It all seemed too

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<v Speaker 1>good to be true, and it kind of was. David

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<v Speaker 1>may have had nerves of steel, but the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the band were nervous wrecks. Studios at the time, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not the zan candlelit music haven's that we know today.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then they were more like top secret laboratories, cold

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<v Speaker 1>and clinical, complete with engineers clad an ominous white coats,

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<v Speaker 1>not exactly conducive to making rock and roll. The Conrads

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<v Speaker 1>recorded just one track, an original called I Never Dreamed.

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<v Speaker 1>The results were so shambolic that the engineers didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>bother playing it back. David Bowie's first studio recording was

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<v Speaker 1>unceremoniously erased, but a copy did miraculously turned up half

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<v Speaker 1>a century later, found in an old bread bin. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time Decade formally rejected the Conrads, David had quit

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<v Speaker 1>the band and a spectacular huff. His bandmates must have

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<v Speaker 1>seen it coming. David wasn't really a group gay. It's

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<v Speaker 1>true the Condras fan base had grown since David made

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<v Speaker 1>his onstage debut with them a year earlier, rocking a

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<v Speaker 1>PTA event with this classy white saxophone and sky high pompadour,

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<v Speaker 1>But it was obvious to David that this was strictly

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<v Speaker 1>a suburban venture destined only for church halls, pubs and

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<v Speaker 1>the odd birthday gig near their hometown of Bromley, England.

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<v Speaker 1>This realization was hammered home after they suffered a humiliating

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<v Speaker 1>defeat on a TV talent contest, losing out to a

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<v Speaker 1>younger former classmate named Peter Frampton. Of all people. Musical

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<v Speaker 1>differences added the David's frustrations. He wanted to push the

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<v Speaker 1>Contrads towards the R and B sounds of Marvin Gay,

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<v Speaker 1>but the others wanted to stay with the same tried

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<v Speaker 1>and true Top forty covers. He tried to get them

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<v Speaker 1>to cover an old folk song called House of the

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<v Speaker 1>Rising Sun, but the band refused. David was royally peeved

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<v Speaker 1>when it became a global hit for the Animals within

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<v Speaker 1>the year. David was about to walk when the band

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<v Speaker 1>got their DECA audition. After that one up and smoked,

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<v Speaker 1>he had no reason to stick around. Now sixteen, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>finished school with very little a show for it. One

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<v Speaker 1>report card described them as a pleasant idler. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time he left Bromley Tech that June, he'd failed every

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<v Speaker 1>single one of his final tests except for art. Not

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<v Speaker 1>that he cared for David. His future was obvious when

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<v Speaker 1>a school guidance counselor asked him what he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>do for a living. David's response was immediate, be a

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<v Speaker 1>sax player in a modern jazz quartet. The well meaning

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<v Speaker 1>counselor found him a job in a local harp factory,

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<v Speaker 1>but that wasn't exactly the kind of career of music

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<v Speaker 1>David had in mind. His father, always willing to pull

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<v Speaker 1>some strings, got him a job as an electricians assistant,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't long before he quit. He didn't resign,

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<v Speaker 1>and as much as he just stopped going. David's parents

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<v Speaker 1>were understandably worried. Mother Peggy was openly critical about her

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<v Speaker 1>son's musical ambitions. She was frustrated by his inability to

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<v Speaker 1>find a real job to entangle himself from the family finances.

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<v Speaker 1>The Jones is small Bromley home felt even more cramped

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<v Speaker 1>with her overgrown boy living there too. These musical shenanigans

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<v Speaker 1>were just a passing fad. She thought David needed some

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<v Speaker 1>stable grounding to fall back on. This was, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties, a time when job security was inconceivably strong,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he worked at the same company from graduation

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<v Speaker 1>to retirement. David's father John, however, was more encouraging of

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<v Speaker 1>his ambitions. John was cut from the same showbiz cloth

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<v Speaker 1>as David, and even tried to launch a cabaret act

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<v Speaker 1>of his own as a young man. He followed David's

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<v Speaker 1>music career closely, like a dutiful stage dad, offering advice

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<v Speaker 1>when he could. Needless to say, this created some tension

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<v Speaker 1>with his less indulgent wife. Eventually, David secured a job

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<v Speaker 1>at an advertising agency in central London. It wasn't as

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<v Speaker 1>glamorous as the rather lofty title of junior visualizer made

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<v Speaker 1>it seem. David spent his days sketching ads and commercial

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<v Speaker 1>story boards for things like raincoats and a dietary cookie

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<v Speaker 1>with a deeply unfortunate name, Aids. The nine to five

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<v Speaker 1>slog kept his parents happy, but David hated it and

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<v Speaker 1>moaned about his bloom and job constantly. There was only

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<v Speaker 1>one upside. The offices were a short walk from Doubles,

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<v Speaker 1>the best record shop in London. David's lunch hour would

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<v Speaker 1>stretch into two as he scoured the shelves. It was

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<v Speaker 1>there that he first bought records by Bob Dylan and

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Lee Hooker, two artists who would have a huge

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<v Speaker 1>impact on the young musician. David was definitely in need

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<v Speaker 1>of some fresh inspiration. By nine three, the first wave

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<v Speaker 1>of rock and roll with crested and many of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest stars were sidelined. Little Richard to become a born

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<v Speaker 1>again Christian and swore off the Devil's mu for a time.

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<v Speaker 1>At least. Buddy Holly had been killed in the Midwest

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<v Speaker 1>plane wreck that also claimed the lives of Richie Vallence

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<v Speaker 1>and the Big Bopper. Jerry Lee Lewis's career floundered after

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<v Speaker 1>news leaked of his big amous marriage to his thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old cousin, and Chuck Berry was similarly shunned for

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<v Speaker 1>transporting a fourteen year old girl across state lines. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there was Elvis. He'd been drafted into the army,

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<v Speaker 1>and after two years stationed abroad, the King of Rock

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<v Speaker 1>emerged and neutered and lobotomized peddler of terrible films and

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<v Speaker 1>schlocky pop. Within the space of just a few years,

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<v Speaker 1>the airwaves have been scrubbed with the rough and ready

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<v Speaker 1>sounds of the American South and the inner cities in

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<v Speaker 1>their place for syrupy confections cranked out by hit making

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<v Speaker 1>factories with the help of any half whit with a

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<v Speaker 1>hip haircut who could carry a tune. These teen idols

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<v Speaker 1>ruled the charts, but for serious music fans, pop was passe.

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<v Speaker 1>Rhythm and blues now that was where it was at.

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<v Speaker 1>R and B was the truth. Rock and roll in

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<v Speaker 1>his most pure form. Blues artists like Sonny Boy, Williamson,

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<v Speaker 1>Muddy Waters and Freddie King were the new heroes for

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<v Speaker 1>the switched on cool kids. You know who they were.

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<v Speaker 1>Instantly David seethed with envy as he sat next to

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<v Speaker 1>them on the train from Bromley to London. They were

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<v Speaker 1>the ones dressed in the tight three button mohair jackets

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<v Speaker 1>with slim ties and even slimmer pants, haircut short and neat,

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<v Speaker 1>often in a meticulously groomed fringe. Everything about them was crisp,

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<v Speaker 1>clean and cool. Who needed rock of cessed teddy boys

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<v Speaker 1>with their feeble attempts to mimic American grease or styles.

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<v Speaker 1>They were stuck in the fifties. It was a new

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<v Speaker 1>decade and this emerging subculture embraced its newness along with

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<v Speaker 1>anything cutting edge, different and above all modern. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>they called themselves mods. Unlike the beats who were beelled

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<v Speaker 1>against the materialism of middle class America. Mods were shameless consumers,

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<v Speaker 1>gleefully sampling the fruits of postwar prosperity that had finally

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<v Speaker 1>come their way. Like proud, pilled up peacocks, they were

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<v Speaker 1>eager to one up their friends and rivals with the

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<v Speaker 1>latest looks and records. Unlike the rockers who rigidly divided

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<v Speaker 1>the sexes into casts and chicks, Mods flirted with androgyny.

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<v Speaker 1>Men used makeup and eyeshadow to sharpen the top lines

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<v Speaker 1>of their bones structure to match the sharp lines of

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<v Speaker 1>their tailored Italian suits. Zipping around on tricked out Lambretta scooters.

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<v Speaker 1>These kids lived for the weekend, when they packed in

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<v Speaker 1>the sweaty basement clubs and jive to jazz ska on

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<v Speaker 1>R and B. They're all night raves were helped along

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<v Speaker 1>by a kaleidoscope of pills, French blues, black bombers, and

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<v Speaker 1>purple hearts. SOHO grew jammed with image conscious, gender bending,

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<v Speaker 1>nonconformist kids who worshiped American black music and continental fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>Needless to say, this was David's crowd. He was a mod.

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<v Speaker 1>Before mods existence, the term seemed to sum up as

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<v Speaker 1>boundless creativity and restless pursuit of the new. He joined

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<v Speaker 1>the throngs of ace faces and high numbers who turned

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<v Speaker 1>out on the weekends to hear homegrown bands try their

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<v Speaker 1>hand at R and B the soundtrack to their exceedingly

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<v Speaker 1>well dressed rebellion. The scene was crammed with musical upstarts

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<v Speaker 1>fine for attention from labels who were tossing out recording

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<v Speaker 1>contracts left right and center. The British music industry was

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<v Speaker 1>generating the modern equivalent of nearly two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars annually. With that kind of payoff, record companies

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<v Speaker 1>were more than happy to comb through the twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>British beat groups that had formed by nineteen sixty three.

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<v Speaker 1>The deceptively simple blues riffs proved just as alluring as

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<v Speaker 1>the d i y friendly sounds of skiffle years prior.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't take much this trauma one, four or five

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<v Speaker 1>pattern or hanker harmonica, but capturing the emotional complexities of

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<v Speaker 1>the blues proved a little more elusive to these British

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<v Speaker 1>white boys. As Seinster in Future Yardbirds manager Simon Napier

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<v Speaker 1>Bell later observed when a down trodden black Southerner saying

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a man. He meant I'm a human being when

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<v Speaker 1>Mick Jaggers sang and he meant I've got a heart on.

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<v Speaker 1>David sold the Rolling Stones in action when they opened

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<v Speaker 1>for a Little Richard in nineteen sixty three. That same night,

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<v Speaker 1>Mick gave David a crucial lesson in Front Man One

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<v Speaker 1>on one. Now, the Stones had yet to be crowned

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<v Speaker 1>the world's greatest rock and roll band. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>by David's estimation, their fan base could be counted on

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<v Speaker 1>one hand. One particularly square spectator wasn't picking up with

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<v Speaker 1>the band. Were laying down. Hey you, he shouted to

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<v Speaker 1>make from his seat, get your haircut mixed air the

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<v Speaker 1>heckler down and oh so coolly replied what and looked

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<v Speaker 1>like you. The line with forever rank among David's all

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<v Speaker 1>time favorite putdowns. David decided to get in on the

0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.920
<v Speaker 1>British beet Binanza, a venerable gold rush for young rock

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<v Speaker 1>hope calls. All he needed now was his own Rolling

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<v Speaker 1>Stones to have his back. Seventeen year old David Jones

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<v Speaker 1>probably wondered how he wound up singing got my mojo

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<v Speaker 1>working to a bunch of tuxedo sixty somethings at a

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<v Speaker 1>posh London nightclub. It was a fair question. Hell the

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<v Speaker 1>tuxedo sixties somethings were wondering the same thing. This was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely not the ideal audience for the king Bes. David's

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<v Speaker 1>new R and B group, the T shirt and denim

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<v Speaker 1>clad Quintet, made it through just two numbers before David

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<v Speaker 1>received the tap on the shoulder and was politely but

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<v Speaker 1>firmly asked to leave the stage. Usually he was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>skilled at weathering these set back, but this time the

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<v Speaker 1>young singer's confidence deserted him. As soon as he was

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<v Speaker 1>out of view, he promptly burst into tears. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the prime example of David's mile wide ambitious streak biting

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<v Speaker 1>him in the ass. He and his school friend George

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<v Speaker 1>Underwood had formed the king Bees in the spring of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty four to try and ride the R and

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<v Speaker 1>B wave of sweeping London. The success of bands like

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<v Speaker 1>The Rolling Stones, The Yardbirds, The Animals and The Kings

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<v Speaker 1>had sparked the record labeled gold Rush, prompting groups from

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<v Speaker 1>across the country to grab a harmonica and stake their claim.

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<v Speaker 1>The Rolling Stones influence, and the king Be's was clear.

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<v Speaker 1>They got their name from a slim harpo song that

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<v Speaker 1>Mix sang on their debut LP, and much of the

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<v Speaker 1>king Best set was made up of the same Muddy

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<v Speaker 1>Waters and Elmore James songs the Stones frequently covered. David

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<v Speaker 1>took his self appointed roles the group's leader, very seriously

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<v Speaker 1>and set about trying to secure management for the king Bees.

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<v Speaker 1>In typical style, he aimed high. Egged on by his father,

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<v Speaker 1>David wrote a letter to John Bloom, a flamboy and

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<v Speaker 1>entrepreneur whose washing machine empire made him one of Britain's

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<v Speaker 1>wealthiest men. David really laid it on thick. The complete

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<v Speaker 1>at or has tragically been lost to history, but it

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<v Speaker 1>did include this gem, Brian Epstein's got the Beatles You

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<v Speaker 1>need Us? Big talk for a kid who's who lived

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<v Speaker 1>at home with his parents. Now. John Bloom had no

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<v Speaker 1>interest in becoming a rock and psario, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>amused by the kids spunk and passed the note along

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<v Speaker 1>with his friend Leslie Kahn. Leslie actually did know a

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<v Speaker 1>thing or two about music. By day, he managed Doris

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<v Speaker 1>Day's song publishing and boasted relationships with a host of

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<v Speaker 1>hot young producers. He could make things happen to. One

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<v Speaker 1>client described Khan as a man who could set fire

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<v Speaker 1>to a bucket of sand. Les wanted to get a

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<v Speaker 1>look at the band and booked them to play a

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<v Speaker 1>set at John Bloom's anniversary party, which is how David

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<v Speaker 1>Jones wound up singing got my Mojo work into a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of tuxedoed sixty somethings at a posh London nightclub.

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<v Speaker 1>The performance was a disaster from beginning to premature end.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the money glitterati covered their ears in a

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<v Speaker 1>desperate attempt to block out the deafening noise, so loud

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<v Speaker 1>that the band didn't hear John Bloom shouting get him off.

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<v Speaker 1>They're ruining my party. In fact, the only person that

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<v Speaker 1>the gig was impressed by the King Bees was Lesliekhn himself,

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<v Speaker 1>who agreed to take them on as full time clients.

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<v Speaker 1>David left his dreaded junior visualizer day job and threw

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<v Speaker 1>himself into the group full time. Unfortunately, there was next

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<v Speaker 1>to no demand for the band, so he spent most

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<v Speaker 1>of his days hanging out aimlessly at Kahn's headquarters. Les

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<v Speaker 1>put him to work painting his office, along with another

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<v Speaker 1>of his young, slightly hopeless clients, a South London boy

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<v Speaker 1>named Mark Feld, who soon changed his name to Mark Bowland,

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<v Speaker 1>later to front t Rex. In ten years, Bowling and

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<v Speaker 1>David will be dukes of the British glam rock scene.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now, they went up to each other while

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<v Speaker 1>they whitewashed their manager's office. Where'd you get those shoes? Man?

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<v Speaker 1>Who'd you get your shirt? I'm gonna be a singer

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna be so big you're not gonna believe it. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, I'll probably write a musical for you

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<v Speaker 1>one day, because I'm gonna be the greatest writer ever.

0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.399
<v Speaker 1>David was just as good at hyping himself and the

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<v Speaker 1>press releases he wrote for Lez. Here's one sample from

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<v Speaker 1>the summer of sixty four. David just likes Adam's apples

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<v Speaker 1>and lists his interest as baseball, American football, and collecting boots.

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<v Speaker 1>A handsome six foot or with a warm and engaging personality,

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<v Speaker 1>Davy Jones as all it takes to get to the

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<v Speaker 1>show business heights, including talent. Unfortunately, this talent was not

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<v Speaker 1>on display when the kingbes entered Decca Studios that summer

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<v Speaker 1>to record their debut single, Liza Jane. David and George

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<v Speaker 1>had written the song in fifteen minutes, and it shows

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<v Speaker 1>the B side a cover of Paul Revere in The Raiders.

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Louis Go Home was exactly a great piece of

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<v Speaker 1>work either. The rest of the band suffered from nervous jitters,

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<v Speaker 1>but David was undaunted. You'd better get used to this,

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<v Speaker 1>he teased the others as he approached the mike to

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<v Speaker 1>Unlesha Cockney John Lennon impression. Liza Jane was a totally

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<v Speaker 1>derivative rush job, a transparent attempt to cash in on

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<v Speaker 1>the R and B boom. But it had attitude. But

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<v Speaker 1>attitude alone doesn't sell records. Leslie Cohen had to call

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<v Speaker 1>in some serious favors just to get it released in June.

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<v Speaker 1>It marked an inauspicious beginning for the future David Bowie's

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<v Speaker 1>recording career. Appearances on early rock TV shows like Jukebox,

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<v Speaker 1>Jury Ready, Steady Go in the beat Room couldn't lift

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<v Speaker 1>Liza Jane out than other regions of the charts. David's father,

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<v Speaker 1>John delivered perhaps the most astute assessment of his boy's achievement.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he sounds terrible, but he must be some

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<v Speaker 1>good because he's made a record. The failure sour David

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<v Speaker 1>on the Kingbyes once and for all, And in July

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<v Speaker 1>n six four he dramatically informed his bandmates he was

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<v Speaker 1>quitting The other Kingbs couldn't have been too surprised. David

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<v Speaker 1>had always been rather shamelessly out for self nothink personal.

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<v Speaker 1>You understand. He had a favorite expression which summed up

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<v Speaker 1>his cheerful selfishness perfectly. Numero Uno mate, That's who he

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<v Speaker 1>was looking out for. Leslie Khen quickly found him a

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<v Speaker 1>new bandy he could beat Numero Uno. They were the

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<v Speaker 1>Manished Boys, another acting is stable on the surface. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a good fit, with their name borrowed from a

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<v Speaker 1>muddy Waters to The Managed Boys shared David's passion for

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<v Speaker 1>four and the floor horn driven R and B. But

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<v Speaker 1>the group had been together for years and they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>thrilled about letting some young interloper into their midst les

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<v Speaker 1>Kohen had to do some fast talking. He's been on TV,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a record, big news in the mid sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>But when David walked into rehearsal flat on a buckskin

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<v Speaker 1>fringe jacket and thigh high boots. The man Wished boys

0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.960
<v Speaker 1>knew they had their man. Who cares what he sounded like?

0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.359
<v Speaker 1>He looked like a rock star. Any lingering doubts vanished

0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.520
<v Speaker 1>when David pulled had his cream colored sacks and blew

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<v Speaker 1>them away with King Curtis riffs. Needless to say, he

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<v Speaker 1>got the gig. David spent much of the next year

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<v Speaker 1>crammed in the back of a beat up Bedford band

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<v Speaker 1>bound for pubs, clubs, and US Air Force bases across

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<v Speaker 1>southern Britain. It was the first serious touring that he

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<v Speaker 1>had ever done, and his skills as a frontman improved greatly.

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<v Speaker 1>David learned to use the microphone like a pro and

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<v Speaker 1>smashed moroccas like a man possessed as usual. He quickly

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<v Speaker 1>assumed creative control of the band, pushing for covers from

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<v Speaker 1>his beloved copy of James Brown Live with the Apollo,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as songs by Ray Charles, Solomon Burke and

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<v Speaker 1>Conway Twitty. He also gave the Mannished Boys a style makeover,

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<v Speaker 1>stealing clothes from the trash bins outside the trendy boutiques

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<v Speaker 1>on Carnebi Street. The billowing Russian peasant shirts knee length

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<v Speaker 1>suede boots, leather vests and longer than long hair certainly

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<v Speaker 1>caught people's attention, especially women. David's skills at seduction were

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<v Speaker 1>also honed on the road. His pursuit of women bordered

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<v Speaker 1>on the obsessive. As soon as gigs ended, he made

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<v Speaker 1>a bee line to the dance floor to chat up

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<v Speaker 1>the girls before his bandmates had a chance to move in.

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<v Speaker 1>On one occasion, he brought a lady up to the

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<v Speaker 1>bed and breakfast room they all shared. No one slept

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<v Speaker 1>much that night. During the Manished Boys debut performance at

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<v Speaker 1>Soho's Marquee Club in November of nineteen sixty four, David

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<v Speaker 1>caught the eye of an aspiring singer named Dana Gillespie.

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<v Speaker 1>David also liked what he saw. He found her after

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<v Speaker 1>the show, casually brushing her waist length hair. David wordlessly

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<v Speaker 1>took the brush and tenderly carried on brushing it for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving right along, he asked Danna if he could walk

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<v Speaker 1>her home. Dana was hip to this polite euphemism and

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<v Speaker 1>immediately accepted. David may have given her some half hearted

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<v Speaker 1>excuse about missing the last train home to Bromley, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was no need for corny lines. She was happy

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<v Speaker 1>to share her single bed. After a night of what

0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Dana later referred to as quote exploration sex, she brought

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<v Speaker 1>her new bow downstairs to meet her father. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the bohemian household and sex was hardly shocking, But what

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<v Speaker 1>gave them paused was the unruly length of David's hair,

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<v Speaker 1>which hung to his shoulders in a blonde Veronica Lake

0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:14.639
<v Speaker 1>like swoop. The Beatles mop top was funny, but this

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<v Speaker 1>was something else entirely It's on sorrel transvesticism. Dana's parents

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<v Speaker 1>were genuinely unsure whether David was a boy or a

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<v Speaker 1>girl until he opened his mouth to speak. It's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine now, but too many in the mid sixties

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<v Speaker 1>long hair on manmos sin is a serious threat to

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<v Speaker 1>God and country, which was precisely why David insisted on

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<v Speaker 1>keeping his hair longer than even those bad boys in

0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.840
<v Speaker 1>the Rolling Stones. It singled amount as a certain type

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<v Speaker 1>of undesirable and caused a great deal of hassle for

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<v Speaker 1>the band. One club promoter declared the managed boys have

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<v Speaker 1>seen because of David's hair and is increasingly faye on

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<v Speaker 1>stage mannerisms. Another gig ended with the band fleeing for

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<v Speaker 1>their lives, while a gang of heavies followed in hot pursuit,

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<v Speaker 1>shouting various homophobic slurs along the way. The harassment was

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<v Speaker 1>indeed ugly, but it inspired David's first major public relations coupe.

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<v Speaker 1>The ever indulgent John Jones had called in a favor

0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:10.240
<v Speaker 1>and Nedda David an interview with a London newspaper. Never

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:13.119
<v Speaker 1>won the miss an opportunity for self promotion, David was

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<v Speaker 1>determined to give the reporter a better story than the

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<v Speaker 1>old wanna be rock star singer angle. In addition to

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<v Speaker 1>his musical ventures, David claimed to be the president of

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<v Speaker 1>the International League for the Preservation of Animal Filament translation

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<v Speaker 1>a club from men with long Hair. He declared his

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<v Speaker 1>intent to approach fellow long hairs like the Beatles and

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<v Speaker 1>the Stones, for potential membership. It was obvious to the

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<v Speaker 1>reporter that this club was a complete and utter fiction

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and David was lying through his teeth, but he went

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 1>along with it anyway. It made great copy. The BBC

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<v Speaker 1>caught wind of the story and invited David to appear

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<v Speaker 1>on the nationally broadcast current affairs program Tonight. The Cliff

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Mitchell Moore Flanked by his fellow Managed Boys, David touted

0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.280
<v Speaker 1>his non existing club, which had been given a much

0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.359
<v Speaker 1>more media friendly name, the Society for the Prevention of

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<v Speaker 1>Cruelty a Long Haired Man. It was a masterful performance,

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<v Speaker 1>and the network conspired with David and Les Khan for

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:09.720
<v Speaker 1>an encore A few months later. In early nineteen sixty five,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mannished Boys were booked to perform on the music

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.640
<v Speaker 1>show gad Zooks It's All Happening, but the BBC publicly

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.040
<v Speaker 1>claimed that they wouldn't let them appear until David cut

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 1>his luscious locks. It was a totally manufactured controversy, shamelessly

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.639
<v Speaker 1>ripping off similar stunts pooled by the Rolling Stones, but

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the Manished Boys really leaned into it. They printed up

0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>placards with indignant slogans like let's be faired to long

0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Hair and paraded around the BBC headquarters until the producers

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:39.159
<v Speaker 1>supposedly caved. The Escapador and David press is some of

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 1>London's biggest newspapers. It could have been the band's big break,

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 1>but within two weeks of the gad Zook's appearance, David

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:49.960
<v Speaker 1>abruptly quit the Mannished Boys. It was all because of

0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:52.560
<v Speaker 1>their new single, a cover of soul singer Bobby Blands

0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:55.159
<v Speaker 1>I Pity the Fool. On the surface, the song had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot going for it. Shell Tell Me, who worked

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<v Speaker 1>on recent hits by The Who and The Kinks, was

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<v Speaker 1>called them to produce, and it featured guitar work by

0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:05.640
<v Speaker 1>a young hotshot session player called Jimmy Page. But as

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:08.399
<v Speaker 1>the future led Zeppelin God packed up his Fender Telecaster,

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<v Speaker 1>he frostily informed the group that the song was fine,

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't a hit, and he was right. I

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<v Speaker 1>Pity the Fool flopped, adding insult to injury for David.

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.200
<v Speaker 1>The single was credited simply to The Manished Boys, rather

0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:22.399
<v Speaker 1>than David Jones and the Mannished Boys as he had

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:25.160
<v Speaker 1>been promised, So, just as he had with The Conrads

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<v Speaker 1>and The King Bees, David left the Manished Boys with

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 1>little fanfare. His bandmates last saw him after a gig

0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 1>in April, heading off into the night with a female fan.

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Typical young David Jones has struck out with three different

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.680
<v Speaker 1>bands in as many years. That's enough to make most

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 1>want to be rockers give up and enroll on accountancy school,

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 1>but the experience seemed to bolster David's self belief and

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 1>stoke his impatience with those who weren't helping him get

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>to where he wanted to go. Danna Gillespie, who becomes

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 1>something of a steady girlfriend at this point, recalls as

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<v Speaker 1>unshakable self confidence. David just had to keep going until

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 1>eventually somebody got it. She later said, he wasn't going

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>to just stop and get a job in a shop

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>for Christ's sake. David was already a start to Danna's classmates,

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:19.119
<v Speaker 1>who pressed their noses against the window to catch a

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 1>glimpse of the sharp dress singer with the prince valiant haircut,

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:24.359
<v Speaker 1>who picked her up from school and gallantly carried her

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>ballet slippers. They usually went to her parents house, but

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:30.600
<v Speaker 1>once David took her out to Bromley to see his folks,

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 1>the visit provided an unsettling insight into what drove David's

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:39.680
<v Speaker 1>limitless ambition. Danna described Jones home as cold and soulless,

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:42.760
<v Speaker 1>a claustrophobic suburban hell be rift of joy and color.

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 1>David's parents worthlessly munch tuna sandwiches and stared at the

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 1>TV set, sharing nothing but space. Dana later said there

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't seem to be any love in the house. When

0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:56.640
<v Speaker 1>his parents left the room, David turned to Dana and said,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it takes, I want to get out of here,

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<v Speaker 1>but there weren't a lot of options. Leslie Cohn had

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 1>grown weary of David's deevi a tendencies, and soon he

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 1>was out of the picture. George Underwood, David's old musical comrade,

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 1>was busy at art school. Without much else to do,

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 1>David frequented the Giaconda Coffee Bar, the hip hop for

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 1>music hopefuls deepened the heart of London's Tin Pan Alley.

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:22.119
<v Speaker 1>David spent hours there nursing a single cappuccino, hoping that

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 1>someone from one of the nearby song publishers be need

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 1>a background singer to help with a demo. Unfortunately, they

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:30.919
<v Speaker 1>rarely did. Then, one day David noticed a group of

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.119
<v Speaker 1>men gopping at him in a good way, not just

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 1>because of his hair. It was a case of mistake

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and identity. They thought he was a member of the Yardbirds.

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 1>David admitted they had the wrong guy, but inform them

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 1>that he was, in fact an experienced singer of some renown.

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 1>As luck would have it, they were in a band

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 1>actively looking for a singer they invited him to audition

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 1>for their group, the Lower Third. The next day at

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>a nearby club. David showed up with a friend for

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 1>moral support, Steve Marriott, later of The Small Pass and

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Humble Pie. He proceeded to blow them away with this

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>musical talent and most importantly, his outfit. David became one

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 1>of the Lower Third. He dove into the group with

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:09.400
<v Speaker 1>his usual enthusiasm. Days after joining, he signed a playful

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 1>pledge written on the back of a napkin, I David

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Jones hereby, I promise not to become too big headed

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:21.359
<v Speaker 1>while I'm famous, Signed this glorious day, the tenth of May.

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 1>If David thought the Lower Third was his ticket to

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>instant fame, he was sorely mistaken. He spent most days

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 1>crammed into the back of a converted ambulance that served

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>as the band's touring van, speeding to and from their

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.679
<v Speaker 1>latest small time gigs at ice, skating rinks or pubs.

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't the most comfortable ride, but the siren came

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>in handy if they were ever running late, which was

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 1>often considering. An ambulance filled with a bunch of long

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:46.520
<v Speaker 1>hairs was something of a cop magnet. The mattresses piled

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>on the back were good for those late nights when

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 1>David couldn't make it back to Bromley, or for brief

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 1>affairs with fans after shows. Many brainstorming sessions went down

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 1>in the back of that ambulance as David tried to

0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>convince the others to update the band's image. They embraced

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>some of his or fashion forward ideas, like sharp suits,

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 1>sculpted hair and Italian loafers, but any talk of oaring

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 1>makeup on stage was halted with an immediate hell no

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 1>or where's that effect. They were a bit more receptive

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>to David's musical suggestions, which could get pretty far out.

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Not many bands were performing chim Chimmery from Mary Poppins

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 1>or rocked up version of the Mars movement from Gustav

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Holtz's orchestral suite The Planets. For the most part, they

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 1>played ear splitting covers from Tamla Motown, the Detroit label

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>that cranked out irresistible R and B with a poppy Veneer.

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>They also played songs by Maud standard bearers like The

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Who and The Kinks. The Who in particular were a

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>great influence inspiring the Lower Thirds, noisy experiments with feedback,

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>and David fledgling attempts at songwriting. The band's first single,

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:47.400
<v Speaker 1>a David original called You've Got a Habit of Leaving Me,

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 1>sounded so much like a Who's song that Pete Townsend

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>once approached them in a gig and angrily asked, was

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 1>that one of my songs you played? You've Got a

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 1>Habit of Leaving Me tanked on the charts. What's worse,

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>they also bombed that audition the BBC and endured a

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 1>volley of insults from a squad of the network's sharp

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 1>tongue talent selection group. Lame material, lack of any entertainment,

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 1>out of tuned vocalists, devoid of personality. Usually this was

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Davids q to quit the group in a fit of peak,

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>but he held out hope for the Lower Third. Unfortunately,

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>there was discontent in their ranks. David's bandmates were less

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 1>than thrilled when You've Got to Have It of Leaving

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Me was credited solely to Davy Jones and not the

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Lower Third. What's more, it was becoming obvious that David

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<v Speaker 1>was the favorite of their new manager, a guy by

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the name of Ralph Horton. David had met the former

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Moody Blues roadie several months earlier at the Jaconda Coffee

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Bar and hired him to look after the group. Soon

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 1>it was abundantly clear that Ralph's interest in their flaxen

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>haired frontman extended the more than just business. Ralph was

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>completely besotted with David and paraded as attractive new client

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>around the clubs like a prize show pony. David, for

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 1>his part, was only too happy to indulge him. He

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>began staying overnight at Ralph's apartment, where his bandmates noted

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 1>there was only one bed. David often told people he

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>was bisexual, even during his days in the Conrads. Considering

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>that homosexuality was illegal in the United Kingdom until nineteen

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>sixty seven, this was a fairly shocking claim. Social attitudes

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>towards same sex partnerships were not exactly enlightened in the

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>mid sixties. The Nason LGBTQ community was centered around the

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>underground gay clubs and SOHO literal and metaphorical neighbors to

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 1>the mod jazz clubs. David slight build, handsome face, flamboyant fashion,

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 1>and intentionally campy mannerisms allowed him to move freely between

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>these overlapping scenes, which lent him a certain credibility In

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>the mod music world. Homosexuality was considered taboo and dangerous,

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the ultimate subversion. As The Who's Pete Townsend explained, we

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 1>thought David Bowie was gay. We thought all cool people

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>were gay. It's unclear how much of David's alleged homosexuality

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>was exaggerated to cultivate an image is of boldly experimental

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>air to the Beats and other radicals, There's far more

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>evidence of David's heterosexual exploits around this period. His colleagues

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 1>in the Lower Third bore witness to many of these liaisons,

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>as did his band made some prior groups too many

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>you knew him. David was neither heterosexual, homosexual, or even bisexual,

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 1>but merely sexual. It seemed to ooze out of him.

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>He was a gleefully on apologetic libertine who delighted in

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 1>both the psychological chase and the sheer sensual thrill. Moreover,

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 1>he was fearless about displaying his prodigious physical attributes and

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 1>pants so tight they may as well been painted on.

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 1>One earlier review featured this memorable description to David's manhood

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 1>as quote unusually large, almost inhuman. David certainly knew how

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 1>to flirt when the needs suited him, and in the

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>budding business of British rock, he could work it through

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 1>his advantage. Once, as a member of the Managed Boys,

0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 1>a club promoter called him over the talk man and

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the man which way do you swing? He asked David

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>that question meant only one thing, and David's response was

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:52.239
<v Speaker 1>instant boys. Of course, that sort of thing happened all

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 1>the time. If you were young and desperate for a break,

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 1>you knew the right answer. It's unknown of David used

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 1>his powers of seduction to score extra point. It's in

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 1>his management deal with Ralph Horton, but he would have

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>hardly been the first struggling musician he traded sex for favors.

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Simon Napier Bell, manager of the Yardbirds, claimed that Ralph

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Horton once approached him to co manage David. To sweeten

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the deal, Ralph supposedly promised Simon sex with a young

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 1>musician who sat demurely with an earshot of the entire

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>conversation and raised no objection. Simon knew his credit to

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>climb the offer, or so he says. Ralph Horton's blatant

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 1>pro david bias grew harder for the other members of

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the lower third of Tolerate, and a rift began the

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>form well. The rest of the band continued to take

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 1>their second hand ambulance to gigs. Ralph schauffeured the singer

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>personally in a flashy Jaguar sports car rather than helped

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>load up the heavy amplifiers and gear. After gigs, David

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 1>regally sat and watched. At industry events, Ralph always directed

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>the press to David, ignoring the others completely. A showdown

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>between the band and singer seemed imminent. It occurred on

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:57.240
<v Speaker 1>January nine, sixty six, as the group prepared to take

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>the stage at a club in Bromley. David was excited

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>to play the hometown hero, but there was a snag.

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Just before showtime. Ralph informed the band that they would

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>not be getting paid that night. Their wages were going

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 1>towards promotional expenses. The band wouldn't hear of it, no pay,

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 1>no play. A standoff ensued, but David caught in the middle,

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.880
<v Speaker 1>pacing nervously as his old friends and classmates waited expectantly.

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 1>In the crowd. His silence damned him in the eyes

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:25.720
<v Speaker 1>of his soon to be ex bandmates. They walked, David cried,

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>and that was the end of Davy Jones and the

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Lower Third, but they still had a record to promote.

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Earlier that month, the Lower Third released a second single,

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>another David original, called Can't Help Thinking About Me. The

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 1>title was braddy enough to stand a chance with the

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:46.239
<v Speaker 1>supremely narcissistic Mods, but the laughably conceded words masked a

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>more personal meaning. Can't Help Thinking About Me had its

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.320
<v Speaker 1>roots in those unhappy evenings at his parents house in Bromley,

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 1>grappling with feelings of alienation and dissatisfaction. The character in

0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 1>the song ultimately leaves town for never never Land, after

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 1>having apparently blackened the family name. The narrative can be

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 1>vague at times. David forgot the lyric sheet on the

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 1>day of the recording session and had to make up

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>words on the spot. But Can't Help Thinking about Me

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>does feature a particularly telling line when he had no

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.840
<v Speaker 1>trouble recalling I've got a long way to go. I

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:17.799
<v Speaker 1>hope I make it on my own. The image of

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<v Speaker 1>a lonely traveler leaving home for the first time reflects

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<v Speaker 1>his own creative quest, which had so far been fruitless.

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<v Speaker 1>The song had substance. Even David, notoriously harsh critic of

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<v Speaker 1>his own work, recalled can't help thinking about me fondly

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<v Speaker 1>in later years, referring to it as quote an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>little piece. David wrote another interesting piece in late nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>but it would take years before it would see the

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<v Speaker 1>light of day. He was called The London Boys, a

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<v Speaker 1>bright lights, big city tune about a seventeen year old

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<v Speaker 1>fleeing the suffocating boredom of the suburbs for the adventure

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<v Speaker 1>and excitement of the capitol. Once they're the sharp dress

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<v Speaker 1>character falls in with the mod scene, pops pills, jettison's

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<v Speaker 1>their dead end job and sleeps on the street. Those

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<v Speaker 1>who a lynching look at the perils of chasing the

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<v Speaker 1>hip life. It's a strangely non judgmental song, yet it

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<v Speaker 1>ends on a decidedly downbeat note. Now you'd wish you'd

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<v Speaker 1>never left your home. You've got what you wanted, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're on your own now you've met the London Boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether or not the song was an intentional self portrait

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<v Speaker 1>is immaterial. David has spent the last few years living

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<v Speaker 1>the lyrics. He hadn't formally moved out of his parents home,

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<v Speaker 1>but emotionally he was already gone, a suburban kid living

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<v Speaker 1>in exile, lonely, ambitious, and desperate to fit in with

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<v Speaker 1>the London Boys. Producers were scandalized by the drug references

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<v Speaker 1>and the song was temporarily shelved. David wrote, Can't Help

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking About Me is something of a spiritual sequel, but

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<v Speaker 1>it barely registered on the charts. Can't Help Thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>Me it was David's most impressive work to date. It's

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<v Speaker 1>fitting that his first mature artistic statement marked the birth

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<v Speaker 1>of his artistic identity. You see, the record wasn't credited

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<v Speaker 1>to Davy Jones, but to someone else. He knew early

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<v Speaker 1>on that Davy Jones would never do as a showbiz moniker.

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<v Speaker 1>That name belonged to the shy boy he was determined

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<v Speaker 1>to leave behind him, Bromley. He briefly tried out many

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<v Speaker 1>aliasis before tossing them aside, like ill fitting clothes. Much

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<v Speaker 1>like his Stints and the Conrads, the King Bees, the

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<v Speaker 1>Mannished Boys and the Lower Third, they were doomed exercises

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<v Speaker 1>and self discovery. Who was he? David had to figure

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<v Speaker 1>it out. He got a nudge in the fall of

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five when management advised him to change his name

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid confusion with another Davy Jones, an actor and

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<v Speaker 1>singer soon have become famous worldwide as one of the Monkeys.

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<v Speaker 1>David considered Tom Jones for a bit, but then some

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<v Speaker 1>well singer hit the scene and that was the end

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<v Speaker 1>of that. So we thought back to a John Wayne

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<v Speaker 1>film he saw a few years earlier, The Alamo. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>been drawn to the name of one of the characters,

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Bowie, a real life figure who tried in vain

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<v Speaker 1>to defend the title four. Adding the historical pedigree. Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Bowie gave his name to the Bowie Knife, which lends

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<v Speaker 1>a certain dangerous alert of the surname. It was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cool knives, cutting edge get It also helped him

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<v Speaker 1>compete with the Rolling Stones front man, who been dubbed

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<v Speaker 1>Jagger Dagger in the press in later years. David with

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<v Speaker 1>wax poetic about this new moniker. It is the medium

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<v Speaker 1>for a conglomerate of statements and illusions, he said, But

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<v Speaker 1>come on, more than anything else, you liked how it sounded. Bowie,

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<v Speaker 1>His friends and bandmates thought the name was stupid and

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<v Speaker 1>tried to talk him out of it. It's ludicrous, it

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<v Speaker 1>will never catch on, and the insisted. But ever the rebel,

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<v Speaker 1>he stuck to his guns. Can't help thinking about me.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit shelves in January sixty six, just after the singer's

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth birthday. For David glimpsing the record that bore this

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<v Speaker 1>new name was like seeing his reflection for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>After years of trying on persona's styles and faces, this

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<v Speaker 1>one fit, yeah, he thought, David Bowie, Let's see who

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