1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Morning. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 3: Everybody is the j Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamage, the guy. 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 3: We are to Breakfast Club Lawn, LaRosa, phillid In for Jess. 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 3: And we got a special guest in the building. We 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 3: have Bozamus Saint John. Welcome back. 7 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. I'm doing all right now. You 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 4: feel you, thank you. Nice to see you. 9 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 5: I'm sending you positive energy and love. And like we 10 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 5: just saw that you lost your house in the La Wild. 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 4: Yes, right in Mali, and you said you found out 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 4: on social media. Yes, got on Twitter video. Yeah, somebody's 13 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 4: just driving down pH and I was like, oh, that's 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 4: my intersection. Oh shit, there's no house. 15 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: Did you get a chance to go back to see 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: whatever was there to rubble if you can find it. 17 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 4: I haven't. I haven't been able to be back yet. 18 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, everybody's just waiting to see 19 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 4: when we're allowed to go back and see what is left. 20 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 4: Although you know there's nothing left, but I think there's 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 4: still something about the grief process where you just need 22 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 4: to see it to know yourself that it's totally gone. 23 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: Do you feel like, is it a grief. 24 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 4: It is a grief, yeah, because it's a loss. It's 25 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 4: a big loss. You know. It's like I think, you know, 26 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 4: people have said things like, oh, well, at least you 27 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 4: have your life and you know it's just things and 28 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 4: you can replace it. I'm just like, you know how 29 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 4: long it took me to get there, twenty five years 30 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 4: of hard work? Did you lose pictures, passports, all, like 31 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 4: so many things? 32 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: But when you evacuated, what were you able to grab 33 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: if anything? 34 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 4: Nothing? Well, first of all, I wasn't even in the 35 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 4: country you were. I was in Zambia. 36 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, birthday right, yes, happy belated. 37 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Two yeah, thank you. That's a lie. 38 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 4: But it was like it was just it was so 39 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 4: scary and overwhelming because you know, all you know is 40 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: that the fires are coming, you don't know which direction 41 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 4: they're going in, and the evacuations happen so quickly that 42 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 4: you know, the people who are in their homes like really, 43 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 4: you don't have time to think. I think we've all 44 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 4: had that moment right where you been like, oh, you know, 45 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 4: it's like if there was something like who would you 46 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: save or what would you take? And you make those theories. 47 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 4: But in reality, it doesn't work like that. There's this panic, 48 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 4: and for me, since I was so far away, there 49 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 4: was really nothing I could do, and Who's I gonna 50 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 4: send to go get myself? I was gonna do that, 51 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 4: you know, so you gotta let it burn. 52 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: Did you see online which I thought was horrible and 53 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 3: the tasteful people were saying, you know when rich people 54 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: are wealthy people were losing their cribs. Good for them, 55 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: they could get another one and all that, you know, 56 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, like, it doesn't matter if you're wealthy, 57 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 3: if you're not, you're losing things that care and me. 58 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: The most of you. 59 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: So so how did you feel when you're seeing that, 60 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: Like now you just lost your all your property, You 61 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: lost all your things, and then you see this online? 62 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 4: Well it pisses me off because it's like who you 63 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 4: think gave me the house? 64 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 6: Right? 65 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: You know? 66 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 4: You think somebody just came here and gave me the house. 67 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 4: You don't know that I worked for it. So what 68 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 4: if you worked for it, you should just lose it 69 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 4: and it should be all right. No, of course I'm sad. 70 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 4: I cry, I'm mad. Know. It's like, yes, of course 71 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 4: I'm in a better position because I will be able 72 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 4: to replace things. I we'll be able to rebuild. But 73 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 4: who wants to do that? You know, we got enough 74 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 4: going on. I don't want to have to do that too, 75 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 4: Like can I get some peace? Just want some rest? 76 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 4: And so it's like it makes me upset when people 77 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 4: say stuff like. 78 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: That, what was the most important thing or the one 79 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 3: thing that you are so upset that you couldn't get 80 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: or that you missed out on. 81 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: Or you lost you know. 82 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 4: To be honestly, I haven't even really thought that far 83 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 4: into it. I think it would be too overwhelming for 84 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 4: me right now, you know too. But like what happens 85 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 4: is that every once in a while, I'm just like, 86 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 4: oh damn, that thing was over there, that was there, 87 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, you know, I go 88 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 4: reach for something like it's gone, you know. And that's 89 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 4: the part that is really upsetting because it could be 90 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 4: such small things, you know, and then there's like the 91 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 4: really big stuff that you you can't replace. 92 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: You know. 93 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: Me and my wife were talking the other day when 94 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: we see you know, we were like, you know, what 95 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: would we grab Like we tried, we try to start 96 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: setting things up in the house, and she's like, well, 97 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: I gotta go get the photo albums. 98 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: I gotta get the pictures. 99 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: I need the memories. And then she was like, but damn, 100 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: what about the kids? First outfit? You want to be 101 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: able to pass that on, And then you think about 102 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: what about this. 103 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: About the kids? You got thirteen of them? 104 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 4: You know how. 105 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 7: She dealing with all of this because she's you know, 106 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 7: she's young, and explaining it to her, she's. 107 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 4: Fifteen, and I think it's I mean, it's a tough time. 108 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 4: You know, you're already a teenager with all these emotions 109 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 4: going on, you know. But she has friends who've also 110 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 4: lost their houses, so at least she has some community 111 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 4: that she can talk to about shared experience. But you know, 112 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 4: how do you comfort a child who's like, well, what what? 113 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 4: What if the fire comes again? You know, and then 114 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 4: what So it's just a tough thing. 115 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: Yeah that was going happen. So what happens with school 116 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: and living? 117 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: Don't well, first of all, was that your main house 118 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 3: because you got money? 119 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: Second house your second house for you? 120 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 4: Yea, So it's definitely not. 121 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: Gonna feel sorry for you. 122 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 6: I don't like anybody. 123 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 7: The only reason why I say that with you, I 124 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 7: don't know any of the other celebrities personally, but for me, 125 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 7: when I moved to LA you were one of the 126 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 7: girls that like a lot of us were watching, like 127 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 7: when you were in Mark Get in and now you're 128 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 7: on the show, and you worked hard for what you had. 129 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 7: So I love that it's my second house and you 130 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 7: can still go through things as well. 131 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 4: So exactly. And the thing is that the second house, 132 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 4: It's like, look, I still had to fight for that house. 133 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 4: I still had to battle racist neighbors for that house. 134 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 4: I still had to put my house in a trust, 135 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 4: inside of a trust so nobody would know a single 136 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 4: black woman was buying the house. And so I'm like, yes, 137 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 4: it's my second house, but like, look I should have 138 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 4: a third house. I should have a fourth house. All 139 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 4: these people get it, so why can't I have it? 140 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 4: And so yeah, I get pissed when it's like people 141 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 4: are like, oh, well that's all right, you know you 142 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 4: have another one. N I want more and we deserve more. 143 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 4: So it's like when I get it and then I 144 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 4: lose it, I want everybody to be pissed off. It's like, 145 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 4: you know, we don't get a chance to buy in 146 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 4: these neighborhoods and so when we do and then we 147 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 4: lose it, we should all be pissed because then about 148 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 4: when it's your turn and then you can't buy it? 149 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: How are you able to show up and do this though? 150 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 2: Because I mean the show what's going? Right? 151 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 5: You got your beauty brand eat by by promoting the 152 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 5: reality show, but then you got all of this heavy 153 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 5: How are you able to even show up and just 154 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 5: do what you're doing right now? 155 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 4: Well, unfortunately, I'm not unused to grief. 156 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's. 157 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: Like I've faced a lot of it in my life. 158 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 4: And one thing I know for sure is that the 159 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 4: son is going to come up the next day. People 160 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 4: are going to keep moving and if you don't move 161 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: with it, you'll get left behind, you know. And it's like, look, 162 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 4: I think one of the things for me is that, yes, 163 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 4: I do want to rebuild, Yes I do want another house. 164 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: Yes I want more things in my life. And how 165 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 4: am I gonna get it? Nobody's gonna give it to me. 166 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 4: So I got to get up and go do the 167 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 4: work myself. 168 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: And what made you do Real Housewives at Beverly Hills? 169 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: Why did you jump into that? 170 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: That's the first thing I said. 171 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 6: That announce me. I was like, I didn't think it 172 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 6: was boredom. 173 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 7: I just thought I was like, well, maybe this is 174 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 7: going to like lean into like future business. She's so 175 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 7: successful already, she's the girl for us girls. Why would 176 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 7: she go over there with them people? 177 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 4: Well, you know what's so funny, the the idea of 178 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 4: being on the show is actually really interesting to me 179 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 4: because I do feel like there's no representation for women 180 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 4: like me or like us. You know that. It's like, look, 181 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: the corporate girlies who are ambitious, who are smart, who 182 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: are loyal and will defend their friends and all of that, 183 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 4: they don't exist in this space. No disrespect to anybody else, 184 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 4: but they just don't. And so I'm like, well, I've 185 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: already represented in so many different spaces, like why not 186 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: do it here and also work on a bigger platform 187 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 4: and also do things that I want to do in 188 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 4: a different way, So why not? 189 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 5: I guess we always look at you as an executive, 190 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 5: like I want to run down some of your resume. 191 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: You the global CMO and Netflix CMO. 192 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 5: Of in Devil, CEO, CBO of Uber, head of marketing 193 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 5: of Apple Music, and its head of Music and Entertainment 194 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 5: Marketing at PEPSI coo, I'm missing anything. 195 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 4: God's favorite baby. 196 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 5: What would you say the key to all of that 197 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 5: success has been and do you prefer being behind the 198 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 5: scenes in front of. 199 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 4: The Yeah, oh that's an interesting I mean, I think 200 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 4: the key to success always has been that I truly 201 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 4: am myself. You know, I think that a lot of 202 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 4: people like to say that. It's hard to do because 203 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 4: when you're in these spaces, conformity is what wins. You know, 204 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 4: You've got to just be like everybody else. You got 205 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: to wear the gray suit like everybody else. But anybody 206 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 4: who has seen my career or seen me walking around 207 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 4: has known that, like, I am a black girl first 208 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 4: and foremost, I represent exactly who I am. I don't 209 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 4: try to pretend not to be. And so for me, 210 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 4: it's like that has been my key to differentiation of 211 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 4: what has made me successful, and so now moving out 212 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 4: of that space is just another unexpected thing. 213 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: You know. 214 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 4: It's like, look, you read my resume and it sounds 215 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: great because people are like, oh my gosh, you did 216 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 4: that and that that. But it's like if you were 217 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 4: there with me day to day and were advising me, 218 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: you'd see that people never cheered me on even when 219 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 4: I made jumps, like people never did. So when I 220 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 4: left Apple to go to Uber, people were like why 221 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 4: would you do that? Like why would you leave Apple? 222 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 4: And at the time I went to Uber was like 223 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 4: the company was going down in flames. They're like, why 224 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: would you do that? And much like yeah, because first 225 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 4: of all, y'all think that I'm getting these jobs as 226 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,599 Speaker 4: some sort of token, and so what I'm going to 227 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 4: show you is actually I'm the greatest marketer of life 228 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 4: and that a company that is on its knees, I'm 229 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 4: going to help rebuild. And when I do that, you 230 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 4: can't ask me another question. And then it's like, okay, 231 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 4: I moved from Uber to Endeavor and then Endeavor to 232 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 4: Netflix and Netflix I joined right at the start of 233 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 4: the pandemic, and people are like, oh, why would you 234 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: do that? Like it's such a big company, like the 235 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 4: spotlight is on it. If you fail, you're going to 236 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 4: fail big. And I'm like, yeah, but if I can 237 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 4: do that, then you again, you can ask me whether 238 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 4: or not they can do this right, because now I've 239 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 4: done it at four different companies, who's gonna deny me? 240 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 4: And then I was inducted into the Marketing Hall of Fame, 241 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 4: and I was like, yeah, okay, there, I'm done retire, 242 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 4: Thank you. 243 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 3: Franchise shooting down, So I guess you're there to save 244 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: the Real Housewives franchise because that franchise seemed like it 245 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: was going down. 246 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 4: Well, I think that it deserves a reinvention. 247 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: You know. 248 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 4: I think the relationships between women has been really shown 249 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 4: poorly in ways that are not helpful. I'm not saying 250 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 4: that there's not conflict. There's always conflict. There's conflict the boardroom. Okay, 251 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 4: the fights I had in the boardroom were far scarier 252 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 4: than any fight have had on this damn. 253 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: You know any of those women, were you friends with them? 254 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 4: I knew one of them? 255 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, oh okay, because because people thought that your connection 256 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 7: to the show was a sa vander pump because you 257 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 7: guys were at that. 258 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 4: I know, at one event together. 259 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 6: It was like other people in the picture. 260 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 7: So they thought, I thought that maybe you knew her 261 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 7: because she does so much business in Beverly Hills and 262 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 7: then she ushered you into the show. 263 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 4: But no, no, no, suddenly because just socially, you know, 264 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 4: we know each other that way. But yeah, I just 265 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 4: I just think that there are opportunities for us to 266 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 4: continue to show the diversity and relationships with women. And 267 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 4: I don't know that this is like a one trick thing. Yeah, 268 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 4: we should have more ability to show the drama and 269 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 4: conflict and the things that happened in your life that 270 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 4: don't necessarily have to be with you just screaming and 271 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 4: yelling at people needlessly. 272 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: You do what comfortable feels like? 273 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 4: Both, Do I know what comfortable feels like? 274 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: You have allowed yourself to get comfortable. 275 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 4: I don't think in a workspace, No, I mean in 276 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 4: the workspace, Yeah, I haven't. No, I don't know because 277 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 4: there isn't one, you know, not because I haven't allowed 278 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 4: myself to, but because that's just death. You know. It's 279 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 4: like if you get too comfortable in the corporate spaces, uh, 280 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 4: somebody's gonna come get you, you know. And I don't 281 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 4: think that there's any nirvana for black people, or especially 282 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 4: black women in these spaces. And so I'm like, yeah, 283 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 4: you always got to watch your back. So I don't 284 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 4: think I've ever been comfortable. 285 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 5: No, I'm glad you said that too, because I feel 286 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 5: the same way. And I think that sometimes when you 287 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 5: get too comfortable, you start to play it safe. And 288 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 5: then that's when I think all of these industries start 289 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 5: to die out because you've got people who are playing 290 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 5: it safe. And my thing is like, they're probably gonna 291 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 5: fire you if you play it safe, you might as 292 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 5: well take the risk because if you get fired doing that, 293 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 5: at least you feel good about yourself. 294 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 4: Well, I've always said that, like, look, when I leave 295 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 4: a space, I want you to know that I was there, 296 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 4: Like I will never leave a space, and you were 297 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: just like, oh, what'll she even here at all? No, 298 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 4: I got to leave some sort of footprint, and so 299 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 4: it's like, how am I going to do that if 300 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 4: not representing for who I am in my community and 301 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 4: all of those things. Now, look, I recognize the fact 302 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: that it is a burden to be in these spaces 303 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 4: and to be the one and people, you know, when 304 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 4: something happens to black people, they turn to you and 305 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 4: be like, oh, so, what do you think we should do? 306 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 4: And yes, that is annoying, but at the same time, 307 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, well maybe that's why I'm actually in 308 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 4: this room to actually say the things that are hard 309 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 4: to say and the things that they wouldn't know otherwise. 310 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 4: And so for me, the comfortability aspect has never really 311 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 4: been part of what I have tried to achieve because 312 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 4: I know that that's not my destiny, that's not what 313 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 4: I'm meant to do. 314 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 7: So are you staying in the room to do that? 315 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 7: Because people think you're leaving the show because of the 316 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 7: post that you put up on. 317 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 4: This are No, I'm not leaving the show. That's by 318 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 4: something else. But then my house burned down, so then 319 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 4: I couldn't even talk about it. 320 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: But oh, so he was gonna quit something else? You 321 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 2: had an announcement company. 322 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I was thinking about like life changes and 323 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 4: things I need to do, not about the show at all. 324 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 2: Got you. 325 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, But how will eliminate Well, you see Trump's in 326 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 5: office now and you know, yes, all of these DEI 327 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 5: initiatives getting eliminated across the country. 328 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: How will that impact us black people? 329 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 4: Well, I mean in a terribly adverse way, because you know, 330 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 4: everything is cyclical, you know, so it's like you just 331 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 4: look at society and culture and realize that things just 332 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 4: go back around and around and around, and so we 333 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 4: are headed back into like the mid eighties, you know, 334 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 4: with the idea that America was only great when you 335 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 4: had you know, a monolith only you know a few 336 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 4: people at the top who want to make the decisions. Yeah, 337 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 4: and so everything else has felt like you're taking away 338 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 4: from that community and from those people, and so yeah, 339 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 4: it's like they're coming back to be like, hey, look, everybody, 340 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 4: get out. We need to make this country better. And 341 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 4: we can't have all of these people telling us what 342 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 4: to do, not even the majority. And so until we 343 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 4: actually come together as multiples of communities, we're never going 344 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 4: to be in power. And so that's the thing that 345 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 4: always confuses me. I'm like, I realized that there are 346 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 4: challenges for black people that are different from Latinos, or 347 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 4: different from Asian people or you know, anybody else who's 348 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 4: of color. But the challenges that like, we can't fight 349 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 4: the battles individually. We really can't. 350 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: I wanted to know, you know, from we're proud of 351 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: you as a community, from what you've done, what you've accomplished, 352 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: but you know, some people might not know the educational 353 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: background and how you got there. 354 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: So for people. 355 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: That's in your field that's admire you and want to say, damn, 356 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 3: I want to even go a notch of what she did. 357 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: How did you do it right? 358 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 4: What is the education right, Well, I mean I have 359 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 4: my bachelor's degree. You know, I don't have a master's degree. 360 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 4: I decided after my bachelor's that I wanted to jump 361 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 4: right into work. You know that I had the opportunity 362 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 4: to go to Spike Lee's advertising agency, which is where 363 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 4: I got my start. And you know, I think the 364 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 4: difference with how I did it is that I never 365 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 4: thought that a job was too small, you know, for 366 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 4: me to actually like. 367 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: Say that again, because people, I don't think they heard 368 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: of that. And did you get paid at first? You 369 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: didn't get paid it. 370 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 4: I got paid nothing, got paid nothing. But you know, 371 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 4: the jobs were never too small. Like I brought my 372 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 4: full self to every single job. There was never a 373 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 4: time where I was just like, you know what, when 374 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 4: I get into that corner office, that's when I'm gonna 375 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 4: do da da da da da. No I did that 376 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 4: when I was an assistant. Yo. It's like you can 377 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 4: ask Pike today and he will tell you that like 378 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 4: I crushed. In fact, like when I was getting inducted 379 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 4: into the Hall of Fame, he did an interview and 380 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 4: he said he knew then that he would work for 381 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 4: me one day. Wow, And that happened when I was 382 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 4: at Netflix and he got an overall deal while I 383 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 4: was the CMO, you know. And so for me, it's like, look, 384 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 4: there's never been a moment in my career where I 385 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 4: felt like I can't wait for the next thing. I 386 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 4: brought everything to the job I had, and so even 387 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 4: now as I sit here and doing this show and 388 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 4: all that, I'm bringing everything everything I have, you know, 389 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 4: because I want to be able to have the next 390 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 4: opportunity and the next opportunity and the next opportunity. 391 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 5: I should know when the job is done. How do 392 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 5: you know when your time at a places. 393 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 4: That's a very complicated question, Like I think some of 394 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 4: it is intuition, you know, just feeling like the energy 395 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 4: is shifted. So but that requires knowing yourself and knowing 396 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 4: what it is that you're trying to do and accomplish. 397 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 7: You know. 398 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 4: Back to what I was saying about people not cheering 399 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 4: for me when I was done with the job and 400 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: moving to the next thing, because they always feel like 401 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 4: they know when you should go. You know, They're like, oh, wait, 402 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 4: but you didn't do that big thing, so you should wait, 403 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, but I can feel it. I 404 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 4: can see that either I'm not going to be able 405 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 4: to do it because somebody's in my way or there's 406 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: something that has stopped me. And why stay in a 407 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 4: place when you're going to have diminishing return. It's like, 408 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 4: at some point you've got to realize that you got 409 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: to get out when you're on top, and that's how 410 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 4: you keep at the top. You know, if you come 411 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 4: down towards a decline, it is much harder to rise again. 412 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 4: It's much easier to jump from top to top to top. 413 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself an alpha woman? 414 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 4: Absolutely? Yes, So with being. 415 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 3: An alf woman, how is that in relationships? Do you 416 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: feel like you have to submit a little bit? Do 417 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: you feel like you have to fall back a little bit? 418 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: You can that question the Lauren, Huh, you couldn't pass 419 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: that question. 420 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 3: I'll tell you the truth, no, because you know, when 421 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: it comes to the Real House. You know, my wife 422 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 3: watches the show, so she's a fan, and she she 423 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: loves who you are. So she's always asked like, damn, 424 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: I wonder how is that in a relationship? Because she's 425 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 3: very strong and she had that question. She also wanted 426 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 3: to know, did you feel like those friendships on Real 427 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 3: Housewives of Beverly Hills are real friendships. 428 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: So do you think it's bullshit? 429 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 4: But start without start with Okay, So here's the thing. 430 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: I can't diminish who I am. It's not possible. So yes, 431 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 4: I want the soft girl life and the whole thing, 432 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 4: and I can have that too, But at the end 433 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 4: of the day, this is who I am. You know, 434 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 4: I walk into a room and I demand things. It 435 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 4: is my energy and my aura, and so the need 436 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 4: for a partner who is not threatened by that or 437 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 4: not afraid of that is absolutely necessary, you know. So 438 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 4: it's not necessarily about me dimming or getting quieter or 439 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 4: being more subservient. Is that? Like, who's just going to 440 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 4: match my energy? You know? My mom says every pot 441 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 4: has a lid, and I feel like, now I found 442 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 4: a lid. 443 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 6: How did you know that, Kiley? 444 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 7: Because also too, not only is he coming and you're 445 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 7: like already this super successful marketing Hall of Famer, but 446 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 7: now he's having to be introduced on real house as 447 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 7: of Beverly Hills. Right, he's got questions after your late 448 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 7: husband as well. Yeah, how did you usher him into 449 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 7: all that? And how did you know he was fit 450 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 7: for that? 451 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 4: Job, right. Well, also I have to add that, like, 452 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 4: I also respect him a great deal, you know, so 453 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 4: that that has to be at the bottom of it, 454 00:18:58,640 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 4: you know, which is like, that's where we have to start. 455 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 4: I have a tremendous amount of respect for him. And 456 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: so the conversation even telling him that like, hey, look, 457 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: I'm on the show, right I would like you to 458 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 4: be on the show, but let's talk about that whether 459 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 4: or not you feel comfortable doing it. And when he 460 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 4: said he did, and I was like, all right, look, 461 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 4: you haven't been in the scrutiny like I have, so 462 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 4: we're gonna have to talk about what that looks like 463 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 4: for you, you know. And so to me, it's like 464 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 4: there's a responsibility that I have to him, you know, 465 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 4: in being my partner on being on the show, and 466 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 4: therefore making sure that he's also protected. So perhaps that's 467 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 4: even where the alpha woman shows up, is that like 468 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 4: I feel that, you know, I want to be protected 469 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 4: by him, but I also feel a responsibility to protect 470 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 4: him as well. And as for the relationships on the show, Look, 471 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 4: I'm the first one to tell you that I really 472 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 4: thought that these conversations were played up, you know, I 473 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 4: thought it was yeah, you know, people be like, oh, 474 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 4: she talked about you, and I was shocked to find 475 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 4: out that the relationships are really real. So people get 476 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 4: upset about real things, you know, and that you really 477 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 4: don't know. It's just like life, like you don't know 478 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 4: if somebody's talking about you behind your back. You do 479 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 4: not know that, and so you're making assumptions based on 480 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 4: the facts that are given to you. So you might 481 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 4: be really nice to somebody. But yet she was over 482 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 4: here talking about whatever it is that she wanted to 483 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 4: talk about you, and you didn't even know. And so 484 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 4: you see it on screen later and people will be like, oh, 485 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 4: she should have known she was fake and this and that. 486 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 4: You're just like, how would you know that. You'd have 487 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 4: to be psychic you would have known. And so I 488 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: am continuously learning about the relationships between the women and 489 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 4: myself and then also how it appears on camera. Reunions 490 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 4: are going to be very interesting. That's all I know. 491 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 5: Could you data? Could you have a house husband? Like 492 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 5: if it was just a guy who. 493 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 4: I don't think, No, I don't believe so, yeah, I 494 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 4: don't think so, I don't think so that nice guy. 495 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 2: He looked good, he putting it down. He cooks, yeah, 496 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: keeps everything. 497 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 4: I think it's it's probably more about like mindset and 498 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 4: ambition than anything else, you know. I'm just I'm way 499 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 4: too ambitious, I think to have somebody who would not 500 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 4: want to also be ambitious. 501 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 3: I also noticed on the show they changed a lot 502 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 3: on the show where and I watched the show with 503 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 3: my wife. 504 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: That's little thing, but. 505 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 3: I noticed on the show. When I do watch it, 506 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 3: I love seeing them women bow down to you a 507 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 3: little bit, like they tiptoe. 508 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: Around you, and you know, like you could tell that 509 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: they look for your approval. Do you notice that because 510 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: it's a shift and it's a change. 511 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 4: I do think it's a shift because I'm not like them, 512 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 4: and so I think anytime somebody new or like a 513 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 4: new situation presents itself, they're also going to be a 514 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 4: little careful, you know, because you just don't know. You 515 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 4: got to test the water right now. If I come 516 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 4: back for a second season, I think that would be 517 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 4: a different situation because now they know they know you 518 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 4: right right, and they're like, oh okay, so she's got 519 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 4: her opinions, she can stand up for herself, and they'll 520 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 4: have a different way to interact with me. I'm sure 521 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 4: that's going to happen. 522 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 5: How did putting out your book, The Urgent Life of 523 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 5: My Story of Love, Loss and survily, Well, how did 524 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 5: that being vulnerable in that book prepay you to be 525 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 5: vulnerable on reality time? 526 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 4: Oh that's a great question. It was so hard to 527 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 4: write my memoir. You know, it was so hard because 528 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 4: I think what happens is that, you know, as I 529 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 4: was saying, with grief, you know, you just want to 530 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 4: get it behind you. You just you want to feel better, 531 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 4: you want to feel quote unquote normal. And what happens 532 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 4: is that we don't realize that you put away the 533 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: sadness and the fear and the anger and all those things, 534 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 4: which also put away the happiness and the joy and 535 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 4: all the good things that were a part of that 536 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 4: because your brain doesn't know how to separate any of 537 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 4: those things. And so in writing the book, I had 538 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 4: to go get all of that stuff back. You know, 539 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 4: I had to be really honest about how I was 540 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 4: feeling in a situation, or you know, what was my 541 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 4: true feelings about the thing, in order to write an 542 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 4: honest book. And I didn't feel like anyone would would 543 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 4: connect with it if I was just writing fiction, and 544 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 4: that absolutely prepared me for this particular role because I 545 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 4: don't have the need to hold back from my personal life. 546 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 4: You know, so much of my life has been about 547 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 4: my professional pursuits, and so in writing the book, I 548 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 4: was able to talk about love. I was able to 549 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 4: talk about you know, things that made me cry and 550 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 4: you know, things that hurt me. And so now it's 551 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 4: like I can do that more comfortably because I've already 552 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 4: done it by writing it. 553 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 7: How do you this is a back to the show stuff, 554 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 7: How does it feel with you and Garcel? Like you 555 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 7: guys are like the two black women on the show, right, 556 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 7: and you already talked about like feeling like you're there 557 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 7: to say certain things that people can't say, whatever the 558 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 7: case may be. 559 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 6: Does it make you feel like a token? 560 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 7: You don't give the energy that you would just be 561 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 7: okay with that, But does it make you feel like that? 562 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 6: Do you ever have to be like to like now, 563 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 6: am I doing it happening? Yes? 564 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 4: All the time. Well, the thing is that, like I 565 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 4: don't necessarily have to tell producers I'm not going to 566 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 4: do whatever it is that because they're not really orchestrating anything, 567 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 4: you know, But I know that I'm not doing the 568 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 4: thing that perhaps would be expected of me to do. 569 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 4: You know, It's like I often said that, you know, 570 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 4: I wasn't going to come down into the mud. It's like, 571 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: if you have a conflict with me, you're gonna have 572 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 4: to rise to where I am, you know, in order 573 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 4: for me Like, look, you know, yeah, I'm like, I'm 574 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 4: not I'm not having petty disagreements right now. It's like 575 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 4: I have enough going on in my life that I 576 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 4: don't need to go down into like some small little things. Now. 577 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 4: You know, if there is conflict about what is right 578 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 4: and how somebody is perceived or what I believe is 579 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 4: like an indefensible thing, yeah, then I'm going to talk 580 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 4: about it. 581 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 7: Do you feel the need to like do you and Garsel? 582 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 7: I don't know what your relationship is off camera? 583 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, what is that? 584 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 4: Like it's a good relationship, Okay. 585 00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 6: Do you feel the need to defend her? 586 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 7: Certain things happen and she like, I know, she was 587 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 7: going through stuff where like they were attacking like her. 588 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 6: I think it was her son. 589 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 7: And her case right right, right, right now, there's a 590 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 7: lesbian common thing where people were dragging her for that 591 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 7: with Kyle Richards. 592 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. See, here's the other challenge is that, like I 593 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 4: feel like I can defend things when I am present. 594 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 4: You know, It's like, I think it's a very thin 595 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 4: line when you start to talk about stuff that's' was 596 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 4: not present for I've already said I was at it 597 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 4: publicly that like if somebody has said something about my child, 598 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 4: oh man, I don't know that we'd be we'd be 599 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 4: friends today, you know, Like I, I don't know that 600 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 4: I can get over that. I and I have yet 601 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,479 Speaker 4: to talk to Garcela about how she got over that, 602 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 4: you know, just because I just felt that, like it 603 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 4: just crossed such a line. And perhaps she is, you know, 604 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 4: more evolved than I am over it. 605 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: She was waiting on the shot. 606 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 4: Maybe maybe she wait on I don't know that's a 607 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 4: good point, But I do think that, you know, for 608 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 4: her and I, I hope that what people are seeing 609 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 4: is that there's a possibility to be more than one 610 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 4: type of black woman. You know that like ourselves, is 611 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 4: an accomplished actress who has her own life and her 612 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 4: own challenges and issues, and the conflicts that she's had 613 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 4: with the women don't necessarily have to be my conflicts 614 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 4: because I don't. I don't have those conflicts with them, 615 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 4: you know I have. I probably have my own, And 616 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 4: so why is it that we can only have one? 617 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 4: Like I really hate the comments with people are like, 618 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 4: oh okay, boss here and now carself can go. And 619 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 4: I'm like, why why can't win the white girls back? 620 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 4: Like why has it got to be her? Why are 621 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 4: we pitying she and I against each other? You know? 622 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 4: So I'm like, no, there there can be more of 623 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 4: us in these spaces without having to be oh, there's 624 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 4: only one type and that's it. 625 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 5: And I know you've experienced that to being, you know, 626 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 5: the head of marketing and all these places, because they'll 627 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 5: turn to you and say, what is a. 628 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 2: Seventeen year old black guy? 629 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 4: And oh, my god, care about like I don't even 630 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 4: know exactly. 631 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 5: We've been at meetings like so what is a black 632 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 5: a thirty two year old black woman? 633 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: And Patterson think, I'm like. 634 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 4: How the hell do you know that? Exactly? I'm like, 635 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 4: that's why you have research search departments. 636 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: Go do your job, just black women? 637 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 6: Do that? 638 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 4: Yes, that part, that's a better answer, that's part of 639 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 4: the researcher yet direct. 640 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I have one other question you know what 641 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: the fire is in LA. Who do you blame? If 642 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: you blame anybody? Do you blame the government for not 643 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: having enough water to city to town? 644 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: Do you? 645 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? 646 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: Who do you blame? 647 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 4: M Well, God and I have had this discussion because 648 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 4: I don't really delve into conspiracy theories and do all 649 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 4: of that stuff. Now, look that I think our public 650 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 4: officials are have a job to do to been sure 651 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 4: that you know, the response teams have what they need 652 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 4: in order to do the things. But like if you 653 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 4: saw any video of Los Angeles on fire, you knew 654 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 4: that was armaged. I mean, it was just I don't Yeah, 655 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 4: It's like I don't know that there was any amount 656 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 4: of water that could have saved a majority of the houses. 657 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 6: You know. 658 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,719 Speaker 4: It's like people were taking their own hoses and you know, 659 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 4: like wetting their houses and then the thing was dry 660 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 4: in like five minutes because the heat of the fire. 661 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 4: So I don't know that I lay blame on a 662 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 4: human you know. I'm like, that's why there's insurance and 663 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 4: it's called the act of God. 664 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 7: Now are you still again going back to the show again, 665 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 7: I'd be watching the show. You had talked about your 666 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 7: using a platform for stuff like being able to talk 667 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 7: about like fibroids, and and I thought it was interesting 668 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 7: because you mentioned that you weren't in like a dire 669 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 7: situation where it's like you're in pain, you had to 670 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 7: You're just planning because you want to have another kid. 671 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 6: Potentially, right, Yeah, how you feeling like today? 672 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 4: Yeah? I feel really good today. I'm just glad that 673 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 4: I was able to talk about that publicly because, you know, 674 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 4: I don't know why it is that when we talk 675 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 4: about reproductive health, especially for black women, it's like this 676 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 4: point of shame. Yeah, you know, it's like I don't 677 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 4: know how many people sent me messages commented on the post, 678 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 4: like friends who were texting me and being like, girl, 679 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 4: I went through that last year. I'm like, why did 680 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 4: I not know that? You know, It's like there's some 681 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 4: strange shame that's the associated with it, as if like 682 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: we're not good enough, or that we're not whole women 683 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 4: because you have fibroids and you've got to get that 684 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 4: removed in order to have any kind of we can 685 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 4: reproduce at all. And so I'm just like, wait, but no, 686 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 4: this is a health issue, you know, And it's like 687 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,719 Speaker 4: if we take care of that, we take care of ourselves, 688 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 4: we will be in better shape. And I don't know 689 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 4: that there's any benefit to hiding any of that. 690 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 7: I think you also brought up a good conversation too, 691 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 7: because one of the things you said was like, I'm 692 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 7: not getting any younger, so I want to make these plans. 693 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 4: Now, that's right. 694 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 7: Have you been having conversations with those same people about, 695 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 7: you know, just you're not getting younger, but you do 696 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 7: want to have another camera? 697 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that looks like for you and how you're 698 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: planning for that. Yeah, I mean, Killie and I of 699 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 4: course talked about it. You know, my daughter and I 700 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 4: talked about it because you know, well, there are the 701 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 4: two people who be impacted. I don't really care about 702 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 4: anybody else's opinions, but for me, it was really important 703 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 4: to talk about the risks because I did not have 704 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 4: easy pregnancies in the past, and so I wanted to 705 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 4: make sure that I am in the health theest place 706 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 4: that I can be. And again, thank God that I'm 707 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 4: in a position to have insurance and you know, the 708 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 4: access to healthcare, and we know what black maternal health 709 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 4: looks like. It is dire. You know, it's like we're 710 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 4: dying at a rate faster than everybody. So for me, 711 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 4: it's like, look, I wanted to be able to use 712 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 4: the show to talk about health, to talk about my 713 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 4: reproductive health. And then also, I do think that there's 714 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 4: a conversation to be had for the corporate girls who've 715 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: waited a long time to have. 716 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 7: Their babies, get babies fifteen Yeah, right exactly, and you 717 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 7: start all over again right now, yeap, I. 718 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 4: Would, And I think that there's a lot of women 719 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 4: who are doing that. You know. It's like, I like, 720 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 4: I look at a majority of my friends who are 721 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 4: in their mid forties, and a lot of them don't 722 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 4: have children yet. Some of them haven't gotten married yet 723 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 4: either because they were focused on their careers and didn't 724 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 4: you know, make that commitment, or they didn't find partners 725 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 4: who could manage their alphinis or whatever the reason is. 726 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 4: But who want families. And so I'm like, again, there 727 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 4: is no shame in that. It's like, you can say 728 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 4: it out loud that I want a baby or I 729 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 4: want a family and then take the steps to get it. 730 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 4: I just think we should remove the shame from it. So, yeah, 731 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be an old ass mom, but I'm gonna 732 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 4: do it. 733 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,719 Speaker 7: I was going to ask you mentioned marriage, Yeah, and 734 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 7: now know that you know you've been married before. Now 735 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 7: you and Kelley together, it seems like I saw y'all 736 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 7: pictures of your way. 737 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 6: Is that going to be? Is that a conversation for y'all? 738 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 4: Right, Yes, it is a conversation. Well, because I want 739 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 4: to have a family in a nuclear unit, so I 740 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 4: want to be married and then have babies. 741 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 6: So we're gonna see an engagement on the show. 742 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 4: Look, girl, talk to him? 743 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: Where's he? 744 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 5: How do you keep key from getting gassed up because 745 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 5: of the TV show? Because the cameras in front of 746 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 5: getting a little hot? 747 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 4: Now, you know what I think that I think i'd 748 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 4: probably if I didn't know that he would be all right, 749 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't have wanted to be with him in 750 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 4: the first place, you know, because you got to have 751 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 4: a level head. You can't let, you know, anybody make 752 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 4: you feel like, now I'm a big man on campus. 753 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 4: You know, that's that can't be. That can't be the 754 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 4: way we behave So I trust that he's level headed 755 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 4: enough to take everything with the grain of salt. You know, 756 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 4: people love you. One day they're gonna hate you the 757 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 4: next day. Look, you just gotta take it as it comes. 758 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 6: Y'all should get the T shirts and. 759 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. 760 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 5: I got one last question about the EEI because you know, 761 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 5: to me, these corporate DEI initiatives have always been some 762 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 5: bs because like the number of black CEOs never increased. 763 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 5: The money corporations you know, pledged all these black organizations. 764 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 4: They never gave that out. 765 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 5: And I think it was easy for them to get 766 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 5: rid of him because they never wanted them to begin with. 767 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 4: WHOA. 768 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I keep saying, real DEI has to be 769 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 5: created by us. 770 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 2: Yes, what does that look like? 771 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 4: I completely agree. And the other issue, and nobody wants 772 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 4: to talk about this, is that the DEI offices never 773 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 4: were funded. And so it's like as a CMO, I 774 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 4: had a billion dollars to spend my d de partner, 775 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 4: chief diversity officer, zero budget. 776 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: Wow. 777 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 4: And so you had all these companies and organizations where 778 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 4: those officers would have to go asking for money for 779 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 4: their projects. Now, if I have the ROI on what 780 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 4: I'm doing with my money, why would I give it 781 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 4: to you. I don't know what you're going to do 782 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 4: with it, and I don't know that you're really going 783 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 4: to turn it into more profit because you probably can't. 784 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 4: And so how am I going to trace that the 785 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 4: money I assigned to you is going to do the thing. 786 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 4: So most of the time those DEI officers didn't get 787 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 4: any money at all. Wow, And so I don't know 788 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 4: how you succeed. I think the whole system was set 789 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 4: up for failure. And so yes, I agree with you 790 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 4: in that it does have to start with us. It 791 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 4: has to start with executives who are currently en roles 792 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 4: who are afraid to hire black and brown people because 793 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 4: they don't want to look like they have bias. And 794 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 4: I'm like, no, you should have bias. That is actually 795 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 4: your job in that role. So even though like in 796 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 4: the roles, I never had DEI against my name, I 797 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 4: absolutely put that as part of what I want to 798 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 4: do increase the number of my employees and the peoples 799 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 4: on my on the on my team who were black 800 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 4: and brown or other that I don't have the perspective 801 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 4: of theirs, and I need it in order to do 802 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 4: the job well. So it just made mathematical and business sense. 803 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 4: But also that you know, we have to look at 804 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 4: the other offices and make sure that those folks are 805 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 4: also feeling the responsibility of promoting DN I of doing 806 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 4: the work because once those offices go, don't think that 807 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 4: you're safe. 808 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 6: I got one more, I got one more show question. 809 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 4: Yes, do you so? 810 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 6: I know that there was an episode that yesterday. 811 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 7: I didn't get to see the episode, but y'all were 812 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 7: at the y'all did like the Tranquil spat day. 813 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, they were talking about the messages. 814 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 4: Yes, the Serenity soiree. 815 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 6: Yes. Do you still feel like Kyle Richards was on BS? 816 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 4: Yes? You do. Yeah. 817 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 6: So you think she was trying to take old girl's husband? 818 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I don't think she was trying 819 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 4: to take her man. But I do think that she 820 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 4: was talking trash about her. 821 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 6: That's why she You like, what is it? What is 822 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 6: the overall Goalden? 823 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 4: Do you think to like? Because they were friends and 824 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 4: if you're talking about like, I'm gonna put myself in 825 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 4: the shoes because that's how I reviewed it. I'm like, look, 826 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 4: if you're gonna say something about me, you should just 827 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 4: say it to my face. No, you know, but don't 828 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 4: go say it to my man and then say that 829 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 4: you're gonna keep a secret and separating yeah, I'm like, so, well, 830 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 4: who side are you on? You know, I just think 831 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 4: that that breaks a girl code. 832 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 7: And then in real life, does that make you and 833 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 7: coll Richard's now y'all are at odds? 834 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 4: Or like she well, you have to watch the rest 835 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 4: of the season. 836 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 6: That's my last question. 837 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 4: That's been great than we appreciate you for joining us 838 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 4: by boss Oh yes, yes, yes, well so yes. So. 839 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 4: By the way, when I retired from corporate life and 840 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 4: promoted my book and all those things, I thought that like, okay, 841 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 4: that was it. I'm done. But interestingly enough, like it 842 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 4: or not, my hair has always been a topic of 843 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 4: conversation in my corporate career. I mean it's like when 844 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 4: I did the Apple keynote, I was the first black 845 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 4: person to present you know, tech chnology on that stage, 846 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 4: and half of the tweets that night were about my hair, 847 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 4: you know. And I have always been an advocate of 848 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 4: being able to use the laws and you know, the 849 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 4: rules that have been written, whether it's the Crown Act 850 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 4: or anything else which allows for you to be fired 851 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,439 Speaker 4: or like you know, suspended from school if your hair 852 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 4: isn't straight or whatever, like those rules still exist on 853 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 4: the books and figure out like, well, how can I 854 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 4: celebrate that? How can I, you know, encourage us, How 855 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 4: can I make sure that, Like, yeah, if I want 856 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 4: to wear my hair any kind of way I want, 857 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 4: let me do it the way I want to do it. 858 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 4: And when I looked at the hair extension industry, eighty 859 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 4: percent of the consumer bases black women are women of color, 860 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 4: Yet we don't have any ownership in manufacturing and distribution 861 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 4: and innovation. So I'm like, why is a lace white? 862 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 4: Like I could see your lace, yes, because it's white, 863 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I'm like why? And look, 864 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 4: you could go on YouTube or google it and you'll 865 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 4: find fourteen million videos of black women kitchen chemists. Why 866 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 4: we're out here telling you how to lay your lace 867 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 4: and make the color like you. And I'm just like, 868 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 4: why is that? So I went to China by myself 869 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 4: and to the biggest hair show in the world and 870 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 4: just walked around and asked questions. And then when I 871 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 4: realized that, like, oh wait, hold on, this is actually 872 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 4: an industry that's making a lot of money, but we're 873 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 4: not anywhere in the seats, I was like, well, I'm 874 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 4: going to do it myself. I'm going to get in 875 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 4: there so I built a factory in Ghana. I started 876 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 4: manufacturing and then now I'm selling it. 877 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 7: How is it going to impact your business with Trump 878 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 7: and an administration. 879 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 4: Well, look, as long as the exactly I'm not. As 880 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 4: long as the tariffs of hold, I'll be fine. But 881 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 4: the good news is that there are really great trade 882 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 4: agreements between Africa and the US and the UK, and 883 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 4: so I can distribute anywhere I want. 884 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 2: You said you built a factory. 885 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 6: Girls just be getting vendor list. You went and built 886 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 6: a factory. 887 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 4: I built a factory because the thing is, I also 888 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 4: didn't want to argue with people. I'm tired of that. 889 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 7: You know. 890 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 4: I'm like, look, and I used every dime of my 891 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 4: own money to build it. And Nasareni investors, I was like, 892 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,439 Speaker 4: you know again, I've worked for twenty five years. It's 893 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 4: like I have all these stocks and all these companies. 894 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 4: It's like, why not invest it in what's going to 895 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 4: help us and what's gonna be better for us? That? 896 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: Wow? 897 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 4: So how did they buy some eve www dot bos 898 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 4: dot com dot so much they thought the Eve Well, yes, 899 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 4: a few reasons. I My first child actually did not 900 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 4: survive her her delivery day. Her name was Eve and 901 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 4: also the even the Bible and the even science all 902 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 4: originated from the continent of Africa, and so I was like, 903 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 4: you know what, we are the original woman, and so 904 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 4: we're going to take back that narrative too. Because when 905 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 4: I looked at all the pictures for Eve, as I 906 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 4: was like concepting the brand, all of them were pale 907 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 4: and redheaded. I was like, why is that? Where's the 908 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 4: blackie Eve at? So I was like, all right, that's 909 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 4: gonna be the name of the company. 910 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 2: Amazing. 911 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, those a the Saint John ladies. 912 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,760 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, thank you for having me club. 913 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning. 914 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club