WEBVTT - Ep. 136 - Brandel Chamblee 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:08.800 Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon. I am your host, 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.520 Shane Bacon, and this week of Fun when Brandon Shambilee 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:14.040 jumped on the podcast, and it's really just kind of 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.480 an overview conversation of two thousand and nineteen. We touch 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:20.800 on Brooks Kepka and what we have both learned about 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.480 Kepka the last you know, six seven months since the 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.239 Masters and doing what he did again in the Majors 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:28.720 and now another win as he had in Memphis, and 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.400 where he stands kind of in our minds. We touched 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.400 on Rory McElroy in the last couple of weeks that 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:35.519 he has had and you know, I mean, it's been 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:37.599 a crazy couple of weeks for Rory for goodness sake. 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:39.199 I mean, you think about the Open Championship in the 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.479 way he started and how emotionally wasn't honest he was, 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:44.960 and then he gets to Memphis and he plays great 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:46.680 for three days and gets in that final group with 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.720 Brooks and then doesn't have the same stuff and just 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.760 where Rory kind of sits in our brains right now 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.440 as well. And then touched on the Senior Open. You know, 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.200 Brandon qualified for the second straight year into that and 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.160 he touched He talked a little bit about, you know, 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.400 part of Tom Watson's last Senior Open championship and how 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.680 impactful he's been on links golf in America and how 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.600 special of a champion he was for so many years 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.040 and will continue to be. And then lastly, we uh, 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:13.800 we hit on Sergio Garcia. I mean, we had to 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:15.720 talk a little bit about him, the way he's acted 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:17.880 on the golf course. I want to say the last 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.600 you know, six months, but this has been Sergio his 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.960 entire career and he's never changed. And I said it 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.720 with Brandle, but you know, every single fan now is 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:30.679 a camera person. I mean they have their phones in 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.760 their hands, and if you're acting like an imbecile on 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:35.560 the golf course, they're gonna catch it. I mean, if 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:39.120 you're throwing clubs, breaking clubs, you know, throwing something at 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.160 your caddy, it is going to be seen by the 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.360 world because it's gonna be shared with the right person, 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:46.640 and then they're gonna share it with more people, and 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.000 all of a sudden you're in trouble again. And and 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:53.680 Sergio's behavior just continues to be distasteful for the game 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.840 and for fans. Of his and uh and it's something's 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:58.760 gonna have to happen and Brandle, you know, he he said, 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:00.800 there's gonna have to be extreme measure is really if 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:02.600 you want to stop this kind of stuff from people 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:06.440 that seem to always find themselves heat it on a 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.480 golf course and can't, for whatever reason, control it. So 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.639 that was how we ended. It was a fun conversation. 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.359 I think you'll like it. This week's Clubhounce, as all 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.520 of them are, are brought to you by the great 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.840 folks at Titlist and we're excited to share with you 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.040 guys exclusive opportunities from titlists. 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Let's get 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.680 to our guests and we welcome back into the clubhouse. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.720 Brandle Shamblee Golf Channel analyst, host of the Brandle Shamblely 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.080 podcast with him DS, which Brandon I saw on social media. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.080 You were saying you've got a couple of episodes coming 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.000 up next week. Is that right? That's right. We were 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:53.400 supposed to tape one um I don't know. Before the Open, 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.920 I guess, but just schedules got two hectic, and then 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:58.560 we were supposed to take another one during the Open, 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.680 so we're a bit behind. So we gotta two next 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:04.640 week and getting out there. But but yeah, it'll be 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.880 a busy week next week. Yeah, you just you just 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.480 traveled back state side. You were obviously across the pond 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.920 both doing your job and then playing a little bit 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.520 of golf. How many days did it take you to adjust? 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.240 Are you? Are you right in that that peak? I 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.320 don't know when I'm gonna sleep time, which is just 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:24.040 my favorite when you travel east to west. Now, whenever 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.400 I go east to west, it's it's it's a lot easier, um, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.760 I think. I think that's the case with most people. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.039 But east to west, what I love is you get 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.240 home and it's time to go to bed where you 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.039 just left from. So it's no problem. You go to 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.360 bed at you know, six, seven o'clock at night and 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.480 you get up at five, which is really if if 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.640 I could draw up the perfect day, that that would 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.760 be it for me. I think I'm not alone and 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.359 probably wasting a little bit too much time scouring the 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.559 TV at night looking for some you know whatever show 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:59.159 that I can't live without, but really I could live without. Yeah, 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.000 it's it's it's not the best TV time right now. 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.880 We obviously got a chance. We're kind of right at 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.680 the end of that morning golf, you know, all the 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.560 stuff happening across the pond, which I think one of 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.640 my friends calls it. You know, it's it's kind of 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.960 the coffee golf season and you wake up super early 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.440 and you got golf on TV. You qualified for your 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.720 second straight Senior Open this year. And my question to 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.440 you about it is, you know you are now known 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.080 as a journalist, as an analyst more than a golfer. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.000 I mean that is your main gig. You put yourself 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.479 out in the position to succeed, but to also fail. 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.360 Do you put more pressure on yourself now knowing that 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.719 if you went out and shot seventy nine or eighty 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.159 or eighty one, you're gonna get ten thousand people on 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:41.920 social media going, what do you know? You don't know 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:46.200 anything about golf? No, I mean I don't think this 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.240 would come as a shock to anybody, But I really 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:54.720 do not care what people think. Absolutely could care less. Uh, 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:56.920 you know, this is my quest it's not there as 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.279 they can criticize it. Fine, they're happy to christs. It 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.120 wouldn't bother me if they did. Um, as I have 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.000 said a million times. Uh. And it's hard to do. 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.359 But you know, someone should be able to compliment you 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:15.039 in the highest regard and then criticize you. Um. And 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.159 you should be unaffected by either. You know, I know 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:18.960 what I want to do, I know what I'm I 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.880 want to do, I know how I want to do it. UM. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.960 I care obviously what the people in my life I think, 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:31.960 and uh, I certainly you know, want to consider their thoughts. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.000 But by and large, you know, like social media is 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.719 full of nothing but critics. There's some great things about 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.200 some great things about social media, and I honestly think 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.480 it's had a lot to do with uh young players 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.880 coming out and playing so well, because I think teaching 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:53.920 has greatly improved because of social media, because it has 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.080 it has done the one thing for teaching that the 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.840 periodicals in the game would never do, and that has 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.280 provide peer review. Uh. It was too much of a 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.679 buddy buddy system. When I look at the top fifty 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.960 teachers and in the various periodicals, I know for sure 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.160 those are not the top fifty teachers. Those are the 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:18.160 top most fifty popular teachers, the ones who are very 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:24.760 good at promoting themselves. But social media has because it 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:30.040 allows good ideas to be for the vetted apt ferreted out, 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.640 and bad ideas to be kicked to the curve as 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.120 they should be. It's it's provided this this wonderful. So 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.800 I'll give social media's due. But when it comes to 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.240 criticism of what somebody's trying to do, and this even 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.320 goes to the role that you played recently in the 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.880 U s g A Juniors, Um, you know, there's very 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:53.120 few people that that who's criticism I pay attention to. 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.600 Let's put it that way. Yeah, I mean, it's it's interesting. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:56.800 I was going to talk to you a little bit 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.200 about that a little later because you chimed in and 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:00.920 I thought what you said was kind of spot on. 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:02.880 It was. It was at least, you know, in the 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:06.600 same vein as we were kind of going about it 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:08.440 is is you know that there was a viral video 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.680 floating around from the Girls Junior last week at Century World, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:13.960 and one of the one of the players in the 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.520 finals was playing fairly slow and the clip was kind 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.520 of one moment in that championship match and it was 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.320 floating around. And my point, and I think it's the 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.080 same point you were making, is you know these players 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.520 are sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years of age and they play 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:34.200 slower or they play slow because it's either been taught 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.520 that way or they've seen it. And and my point 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:38.920 and something I've told people kind of off the record 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.040 that have reached out to me via text messages, why 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:42.920 weren't you more critical of them on the broadcast? First 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.480 of all, that's not my job. But second is, if 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.560 you go to a pickup basketball game and you're watching 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.960 sixteen year olds right now and they're all throwing up 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.760 three point after three point after three pointer, I'm not 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.400 yelling at the young kids because that's what they're seeing 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.800 on TV. And you know, slow play. The trickle down 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.480 effect from slow play, at least to my opinion, is 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.040 if pros are slow and nobody does anything about it, 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.000 all the players watching are gonna do the same thing. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.120 And I feel like the line on the golf ball, 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.040 you know, how you go play with a fifteen or 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.480 twenty handicap and they all draw the sharpie line on 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.439 the ball and they're probably not going to start the 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.160 put on that line most of the time. That to 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.200 me is because of what the pros have done for years, 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.120 and we're seeing that now in junior golf, and it's 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.199 gonna be up to parents and coaches to say, you 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.480 guys have to speed up. It's not necessarily to me 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.480 on a on a young player trying to win a big, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.040 big championship. I can't disagree with the word you just said. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.800 You know, I I uh, you know, I mean breaking 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:42.000 that down a little bit. Uh. I've never thought drawing 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.280 a line on a golf ball should be allowed. UM. 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.679 I don't know how in the world. You're not allowed 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.880 to lay clubs down to line you up, why shouldn't 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:51.920 be allowed to draw a line on your golf ball 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:56.600 to line you up? I agree with this. In addition 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.840 to in my eyes, I call that it's soft cheating. Um. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.920 In addition to it being soft cheating, it's time consuming. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.480 I don't do it. I could do it, but I 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:13.280 don't do it. I put titlists down where it's whatever, 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.480 it's horizontal to the ground, and I pod. It's like 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.640 I don't want to get up over the golf ball 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.960 and be be drawn to this line on my golf ball. 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:23.679 I want to be thinking about the pot. I want 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.120 to be thinking about my feel whatever um and and 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.000 as as it relates to slow play, there's a lot 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:34.600 to unpack there other than this girl is is purposely 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.480 doing this to annoy your playing partner or it's disrespectful. 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.480 None of that malicious intent was running through her mind. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:44.599 I've been right where she was. Time fades away into oblivion. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.480 You get up over that. You're taking care of all 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.320 the things. Maybe she's fighting some battle. Maybe she just, 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.920 you know, hit some poor pots, maybe she had some 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.880 bad who In time, she'll figure out how to play 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.960 her best golf. And you're right. If if the rules 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.400 were strictly admit SI stared at the top or pace 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.760 of play, it would trickle down into the game and 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.560 you would not see people drop an anchor and taken 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.800 sixty seconds on the PG eight tour, These conversations that 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.040 happened between player and caddy on the p G A 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.959 Tour while listen, I mean TV loves them. It's like, ah, 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.160 that was great, Like no, I promised you to. The 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.680 player knew within seconds from getting to the golf ball 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.360 what club to hit what shot to hit? He knew 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.840 it instinctively, she knew it instinctively. They just know it. 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:35.520 And because there's all this information out there, people want 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.800 to talk it through. But you walk up and with seconds, 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.000 you know, you look at the ball, you look at 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:43.640 the winds, you look at the conditions, you know how 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.199 fast all those things you know in a heartbeat. No, 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.200 the conversation needs to take place. And if there was 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:56.280 somebody out there who's who really did enforced the pace 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.960 of play rules, not only the people play faster, they 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.920 played better. The The European Tour has has done a 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.280 pretty deep dive on that. I'm not gonna say they've 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:11.560 proved it definitively, but their their study on that shows 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.360 that generally speaking, the faster you play, the better you 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.720 will play. You know, Brandon, I I personally in my 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.440 golf game this past year, I was kind of a 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.079 I wasn't I've never been a slow player, for goodness sakes, 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.080 but I was a guy that would get over a 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.400 shot at times and think it might be a nine iron. 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:30.760 You know, I had eight iron in my hand. And 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.520 what I've done the last year is is when I 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:35.320 look at a shot, look at a number or even 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.560 a chip shot. I go with the very first thing 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.800 that's popped in my head, and it's improved my golf game. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.560 I mean, I play more consistent golf because I'm going 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.800 with my very first the very first thing that comes 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:48.920 to my head over a golf shot as the club 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.280 I'm pulling and the swing I'm making. And I think 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.080 what you're seeing in professional golf, at least on the 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.920 men's side right now, are the best players in the 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.080 world are the fastest. I mean, you think about Kapka, 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.720 He's quick, Rory's quick, Dustin's quick, pretty much Tea Green. 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.000 I mean a lot of the guys that are consistently 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.240 atop these leaderboards are some of the fastest players. And 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.240 you're hoping that that will kind of bleed out and 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.000 you'll see some of these players, you know, following their 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.880 footsteps because you know, you get a Brooks kept having 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.120 to play with JB. Homes at the Open Championship, and 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.360 Brooks can say whatever he wants, but there's no way 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.800 that doesn't affect them at least a little bit if 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:28.040 you're having to wait on the guy every single shot. Yeah, 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.040 I mean, there's yeah, I agree with you. But there's 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.640 a little bit nuance in that. I mean, as the 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:39.360 game has become more power dominant. With few exceptions, power 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.640 players play faster because they have less things to consider. 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.040 They don't have to go around things, they go over them, 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.560 and they they have a much higher trajectory, so they 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.800 don't have to worry about what's going to happen on 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.680 the back side of their golf shots. So long hitters 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:58.200 typically have fewer things to consider. If the game were 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:03.240 more or if say, if accuracy or at least equal 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.760 to the success of power on the PC eight Tour, 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.280 you would not see such fast players at the top. Okay, 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.880 it just takes longer to play the game when you 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.640 have to consider out how to get around something, as 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.480 to how to get over something. Yeah, I mean John 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.880 Dailey played fast, well so does Brooks. Kept going Why 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.280 because they can carry trees, they can carry dog legs, 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:28.320 they can carry bunkers, uh and so forth. So yeah, 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.960 I mean, you know, the game is not meant to 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.640 be played fast, Okay, the game is. You're meant to 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.520 play the game at a nice pace, and everybody who 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.600 thinks that you should just you should just it's all 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.720 about the speed doesn't understand the game. The game is 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:48.400 about camaraderie. It is about nature, it is about taking 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.920 a nice walk in the park. It's about a good 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.160 story you tell me on the fifth hole. It's about 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.200 a good story you're telling me on the eighteen toll. 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.560 It's not about how fast do we play? Yeah, play 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.520 with undue delay and what is that? Well you know 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:07.640 it when you see it. But but it shouldn't be 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.960 about how fast you But I've played in groups before 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.000 where the primary concern was to play fast, and I 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.080 can do it. But the game is not near as 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.040 much fun that way. Uh, you know, I mean you 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:24.040 can play. Everybody can play in four hours, you know, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.280 three hours, fifty minutes, four hours, fifteen minutes. Somewhere in there, 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.240 everybody can and that's that's kind of the sweet spot 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.120 of the game. I agree with you. I was gonna 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.720 ask you about the Senior British. Were you disappointed that 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.000 so many of the top players decided not to make 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.400 the trip over to Litham. You know, I guess some 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.280 of them were trying to make their own personal statement 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:49.600 about purse. Uh, you know, I think that's what was 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.040 going on. But you know, look, it's their loss. You know, 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:56.960 I mean, I mean the market determines what things are worth. 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.920 Uh you know, I mean it's not like they arbitrarily 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:03.800 decided to keep that. You know, they look at the ratings. 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.000 The market determines what things are worth. And if if, if, 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.240 if you don't like it, go home. I don't care. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:11.720 But it's the loss. I mean, they didn't get to 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.680 play royal of them. They didn't get to be at 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.480 the last event that Tom Watson played in his career 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.720 of Open championships. Um. So it's it's their loss, you know. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.760 And and look, I mean, the game will not remember 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.320 one bit that they weren't there, not one bent, but 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.560 they will. You know, they could have gone over there, 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.400 and the players that skipped it, some of them had 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.640 the capability of going over there and winning it. They 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.120 could have changed the outcome. But it's their loss. It 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.240 literally is their loss. I stood on the range Thursday morning, 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.240 hitting golf balls. Tom Watson drops his golf balls right 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.160 down in front of me. He went through his whole 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.800 sort of stretching routine and sure enough did start his 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:55.640 warm up with the three iron, which was beautiful to watch. Um. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.360 And then you know, he turned around eventually and we 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.960 started talking about horses and not about golf and horses, 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:03.560 and Fred Fonk was behind me, and we had a 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:08.040 wonderful you know, twenty minutes there. Uh And I'll never 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.359 forget that. And I certainly didn't think about the purse 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.080 when I was over there. I thought about playing Royalism 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.840 and the experience of playing that kind of goal. And 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.560 you you wrote something on Twitter that blew my mind 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.560 about Tom Watson. You were talking a little bit about it, 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.480 having a chance to chat with him his final Open. 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.680 I mean, he was the you know, as American golf goes. 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.359 I mean, he is the king of links golf on 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.840 our side of things. In my opinion, one w D 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.840 in his career is unbelievable. I mean, you know, considering 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.800 guys pull out of tournaments all the time injury or otherwise. 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.359 Having one w D throughout your career on the PGA Tour, 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.920 I mean that is next level commitment to doing what 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.119 you do best. Absolutely. You know, that's one of the 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.960 things I look at, you know, when when we're around 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.359 you know, people say, oh, this guy's you know, he's 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:01.440 canacious and he's got wrong character. I'm like, well, I 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.560 don't know what I mean. He's withdrawn twenty two times 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:08.640 and eight tours. He's pretty quick to sort of mail 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.200 it in when things are not going this way. And 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.960 you know, look, and if you play twenty years on 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:19.240 tour and you've only withdrawn four or five or six times, uh, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.560 you know that's that's that's pretty good, you know. I mean, 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.440 you invariably do get sick, or you do get hurt, 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.000 or you know, your back aches, or but to see 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:32.760 somebody play that long and only withdrawal ones, I mean, 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:34.720 that is I promise you. He's had you know, a 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.080 you know, bad back, bad crick in his neck. He's 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.280 he's you know, made a tan on the hole and 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.800 was you know, twelve over from fourteen or you know, 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.639 he's done that. And you know, there's just no way 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.240 he was gonna withdraw, he said, you know, he he 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.600 said afterwards, he played the game it was meant to 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.919 be played. And that sure, that takes talent, but it 0:18:55.960 --> 0:19:00.320 takes us a lot more tenacity. And uh he hats 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.600 he literally did play the game the way it was 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.719 meant to be played. He you know, look, there's you know, 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.920 he he could have used alternative methods when his putter 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.800 wasn't working for about ten or fifteen years, but he 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.760 never did. You know, He's stuck with his same method, 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:21.159 uh doggedly. So there's there's a lot all of us 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.880 can learn about the way Tom Watson played golf, for sure. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.359 And uh, I'll count myself as pretty damn lucky for 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.919 being in the last event that that he played in 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.679 his Open career. Yeah, I mean it's uh, it was, 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:34.879 you know. I mean, I think we all live and 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.520 died throughout the moments playing Stewart Sink in that Open Championship, 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.520 and I mean, I just thought it really said a 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.520 lot about him as a human being when he walks 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.399 into the press center after and says, I mean, this 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.840 isn't a funeral, guys, like, it's a golf tournament and 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:49.280 I had a chance to win it and I didn't 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.679 win it. And I think everybody could take a breath 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.600 after that moment. And he had to be the guy, 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.560 the guy that should be, you know, I mean he 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.240 should be in a complete and a terrible place. I mean, 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.439 so many players would have had a hard time speaking 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:03.240 to the media, and he's the guy that comes out 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.480 enlightens the mood for everybody in that room who were devastated. 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.359 I mean, media members wrote about being just as devastated 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.600 as some of the fans, considering they had this, you know, 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.480 I mean, as good as stories you're gonna write about 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:17.960 a golf about a major championship that you could ever 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.000