WEBVTT - 031823 What Does it Mean to Be an Ally? (Part 2) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:06.080 And now watching my mic back, you're like that. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:08.600 You can strike. 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:14.000 Waters from head borders behind in the line. All right, 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.120 and uh, if you're just tuning in the civic cipher, 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:17.240 i'my host Rams'. 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.880 Job, he is joh, I am q ward. You guys 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.239 go back with us once again, or one more again, 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.880 as my brother would say, that checking out another another. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.560 We call our show an episode. You call it a 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.519 it's a good question, rendition, another installment, you know what 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.080 I'm saying, one of those, any of them. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.040 I feel like all of it. I feel like it. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:42.720 Feels like TV slash movie slash radio slash like. I 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:44.720 feel like we're in every media span. I think it's 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.080 the way let me shameless plug. Rams has built such 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.960 an incredible studio for us. It feels like we're on television, 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.480 in a movie, doing a podcast for the radio. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.720 Well, I love that, and uh, in this studio, there's 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.680 a lot for you to stick around for. Of course, 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.680 we're going to keep talking about ally ships, so please 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:05.920 stick around for that, and then of course for our 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.880 way Black History fact, we'll be talking about Rosewood. But 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:13.320 first and foremost, let's discuss Baba, how to become a 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:19.279 better ally All right. For today's Baba Becoming a Better Ally, 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.800 I just know that it is sponsored by Major Threads. 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:27.240 For the finest in quality men's sportswear, checkmajorthreads dot com. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:31.399 And for today's Baba, we are asking you let me 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:36.080 let me preface this, okay, Q and I are reevaluating 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:42.560 our relationship with social media, particularly after Elon Musk's takeover 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:47.360 of Twitter right, and we realize how important social media 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.440 is and how it gets information out, but also we 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.160 realize it can be very overwhelming, and we realize that 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.120 if you're caught in a strange algorithm, you might not 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.280 get information that might be helpful to you. So we're 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.360 gonna shout out a few names, a few accounts that 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.280 we believe are folks you can keep up with during 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.320 the week outside of ramses Jah and IMQ or. These 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.840 folks are like really dialed in, So allow me to 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:12.520 get a couple of these names off for those of 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.320 you who are on IG. We found a bit of 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.679 a cowboy, kind of an older white man. His name 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.680 is at Paul t X eight nine zero, and that 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.480 guy is of the truth. So once again, Paul t 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.960 X eight nine zero, he's got a bunch of followers. 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.000 He puts out great content and all still have to 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.399 keep you informing and engage on your journey of allyship. 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:38.959 Another one that we like is at Indigo Underscore Carolina, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.280 and then we're going to shout out another one as well, 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:48.639 Garrison h. And then one Accu's favorites is at Joy 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.000 and Reed one of my absolute favorite r E I D. 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.280 And then for those of you who are on TikTok, 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.480 I would love for you to check out Lavert the 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.840 Bit the Baseman. Lavert the Baseman. He's an amazing person. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.239 He does the credible thing about everything is racist and 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.799 it is. I hope we can be fascinate. Get him 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:10.919 on the show, and then also be sure to check 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:17.560 out Spitfire Speaking and Adam Conover. So yeah, a lot 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.240 of times it's really easy to get disheartened. You know, 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.120 I've seen that when we were out on the streets. 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.359 There was the groups of people that were so excited, 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.200 Hey I want to support, Hey I want to support, 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:33.720 and you know, people would get out of line. People 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:38.720 would want to be the voice and it's like, listen, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.160 are you going to be an ally or did you 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.720 come here to be the leader? You know what I'm saying, 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.320 because these black women are capable of telling their own stories. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.640 So you need to sit down and you need to listen. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.600 If in fact, that's what you're here to do. If 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.200 you're here because you want to be the savior, then 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.640 this isn't the fight for you. We don't need a savior. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:00.000 We can save ourselves. We need to articulate what it is. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.280 And it doesn't disqualify you from ever leading, right, because 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.040 there's going to be spaces where you need that absolutely. 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:07.960 But you know a lot of times people would show 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.880 up and they would think, well, I'm here now, so 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:12.480 let me fix all of their problems, you know what 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.920 I mean. And the thing is they've been taught that 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:21.000 that's how you can approach everything. Well as with everything, bro, 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:21.800 there's nuance. 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.200 There are some situations where you very ggulator come in 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.400 with your do that, yeah, because in this space we 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.360 need that. But as it recognized the spaces when that's 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:32.000 not the case. 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.560 And so here's what I was saying when I say 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.400 that those people that would show up where their whole 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.440 life is taught them you are the savior. You're the 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.919 person that can fix all these poor Africans problems with 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.120 stomachs sticking out and flies. You can spend thirty five 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:50.839 cents a day and fix it. You know. The people 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.480 that grew up with that that's their reality. They show 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:58.760 up well intentioned, they show up feeling like they want 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.320 to do what it is that they've been told that 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.800 they are capable of doing, and then they get shut 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.720 down because it's like, no, this isn't the space for 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.679 that type of you know energy. This is a space 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:17.359 where you can support us. We don't need for you 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:19.320 to tell us what to do. We need to tell 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.800 the world what it is that we need. It is 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.799 our time to speak, and we need you to listen 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:29.640 and support us. Right So for people that have the 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:35.520 right type of their intentions are good, that might knock 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.279 the wind out of their sales, you know, hearing like, oh, 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.120 that's not what we need right now. We just need 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:41.760 you to kind of fall back, listen, be a fly 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.039 on a well observed and then when we call on you, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.279 we need you to be a foot soldier. Right yeah. 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.599 I think lastly, just to this point, not that this 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:54.120 conversation is over, but just so we can get you know, 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.479 what we've written and now what we're thinking out loud, 0:05:56.640 --> 0:06:04.120 you know, back to our fantastic team. There is cost 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:09.640 to allyship. There are going to be people that you 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:15.280 love that disagree with you. There are gonna be opportunities 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.520 that are no longer presented to you. There are gonna 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:19.760 be colleagues at work that no longer talk to you. 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:28.200 Block them versus The answer is to be liberal with 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.920 the block button. But I mean it's I've lived it right. 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:31.360 I work. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:36.320 I work still like you know, my brother here is 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.360 full time in the creative space. I still work full time, 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:43.360 day to day, every day, corporate American. I was all 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:48.360 over the national news behind that trademark. The temperature at 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:49.200 work is different. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:49.480 Now. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:52.720 There is a cost to pay. There are people who 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.720 have not said a single word to me since CNN, 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.080 and that's me. When you don't look like me and 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.560 you're fighting on this side of it, it is going 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.800 to cost maybe your parents, maybe your children, maybe your boss, 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.960 maybe your favorite coworker. 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:12.760 Friends from high school. Yeah. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:17.080 So I have learned that people I love and have 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:21.720 decades of friendship and relationships with are on the opposite 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.920 side of this, and some of those people look just 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:31.560 like us. So you can only imagine for people who fight. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.600 This is not for those who are declaring themselves allies. 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.600 You are going to ruffle some feathers for people who 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.840 you've probably got years and years of love relationship, and 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.080 that these people are integral parts of your daily life. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.600 You will lose some of them if you actually commit 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.000 to this fight. It is important to understand that going 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.240 in and not let that be the reason why you 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:54.680 give up. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.240 So let me make that live if I may, and 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:05.520 then will put a bonus. But there's a woman that 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.240 I know, and then you know. Her name is Maya. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.840 And I met Maya when she was seventeen years old. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:20.560 And Maya has a father who is a doctor and 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:25.440 a mother who is a doctor. And Maya is probably 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.960 some sort of German white like white white, you know 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:33.840 what I'm saying. Met her father. Her father wanted to 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:35.760 meet me because of radio. And it's like, hey, my 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.200 daughter was interested in becoming a radio person in DJ 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.120 Could I introduce the two of you. I'm like, sure, 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:49.680 no problem, happy to help. Then his daughter drove to 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.400 my house. I didn't know how old she was. It 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.120 was a seventeen year old. I'm a grown girl, super 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:55.880 girl man at least double her age. At the time 0:08:55.880 --> 0:09:01.000 when I met her, seventeen year old child came into 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:07.520 my home to meet me, and I'm like, ooh, and 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.040 she said, yeah, I'm getting ready to go to school. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.520 I'm going to go to an Ivy League university and 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.520 I'm going to school because i want to be a 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:22.240 civil rights attorney. Sure, oh that's different, Okay, So what 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.839 do you need from me? Right? This is this is 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:30.960 my energy. Of course, everything that she's ever needed she's 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:35.480 gotten from me. She came to my little words that morning. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:44.120 I did recently. But she firmly believes that the world 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:49.320 could be a better place for everybody, and the way 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.440 to go about doing that is by starting where there's 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:58.120 the most the greatest need. Right hence the civil rights attorney. Right, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.200 if I can help black people, if I can help 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.880 marginalize people, if I can help Hispanic people, I can 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.800 help trans people or whatever. But she met me, that 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.920 was a very black and white conversation. But I know 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:15.120 that she has one of those hearts now in the 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.920 years since I've known her her father, remember, her father 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:19.440 was the one that introduced the two of us. Not 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.600 to put her business out there too much, but I 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:26.200 know that her relationship with her father has been tested, 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.439 and I know that other relationships of hers had been 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:36.920 tested because she comes from pretty conservative town, you know, 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:42.640 and she was kind of the person that saw the 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.080 world with a little bit more empathy, a little bit 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.480 more compassion, a little bit more understanding, a little bit 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:53.000 more hope and optimism, like this could be better. She 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.520 never never once needed to do anything for anybody else. 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:01.400 She could have just lived and thrived. Remember both parents 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:07.480 are doctors. She stepped out of her comfort zone. She 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.240 decided to walk a path that might not be fiscally 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:15.080 as rewarding, might be super rewarding spiritually. That's my belief 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.040 because she seems like one of the happiest people I've 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.480 ever met, constantly, every time I see her, every time 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:24.280 I talk on the phone. But she's also paid that 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.920 cost that you mentioned, and you know, I mentioned her 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.720 relationship with her dad, but there's other relationships too where 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.800 it's like, listen, here's what it is, here's what it's not. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:38.560 And to be fair, she's challenged me too on some things, 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:40.840 you know, where I'm thinking I'm saying this and this 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.640 is a good thing. She's like, there's a better way 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.040 to say that. There's a better way to go about 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:45.680 doing that. And you know in Princeville, she knows what 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:50.760 I mean. But there are some things that you're absolutely right. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.920 There's some things that allyship will cost that you may 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.400 not be aware of that you should be that. You 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.080 may not know who it is, you may not know 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.160 how it impacts your life, but if you really do 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.280 plan on walking this path, you know there's people that 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.400 pay with their lives. Remember the I forget his name, 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.400 he deserves to be mentioned, but he was in the 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:16.880 Olympics and he took he shared his gloves with the athletes, 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.960 I want to say, and he took the podium and 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.640 there was we need to figure this out immediately. But 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.800 you know the photograph I'm thinking. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:30.280 About, right, yeah, one Carlos and yeah, thank you. 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.560 I'll look that up for you. Sure. But yeah, So 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.880 there's three athletes that are all on the podium and 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:40.079 the white man that was I believe it was second place. 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.120 What he took, Tommy Smith and John Carlos. 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.040 Okay, so the white man that was there was standing 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.600 in solidarity with him, and I believe, if the story 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.200 is correct in my memory, he's the one that gave 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.760 them the gloves to wear, and he knew that that 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:58.360 wasn't his moment, but he stood firmly with the athletes, 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.960 the black athletes there, and they ridiculed that man. They 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.440 took everything from that man, and he died very very 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.600 much before his time as a result of that. So 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:13.840 my point is that allyship can cost more than just relationships. 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.800 It can cost everything up to and including even your life. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.600 There's lots of our heroes that we celebrate and their 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.080 names will be forever with us. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.000 That gentleman's name was Peter Norman Peter, and he stood 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.240 in solidarity with them exactly. 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.360 Yes, yes, So that's all that's standing in solidarity with 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.920 people that's not seeking to get the attention. Notice his 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:40.480 hand wasn't in the air. That wasn't his moment, you know, 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.160 And obviously that's not what you want to see someone 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.320 get ridiculed and pay with their life. Ultimately, I believe that, 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.400 either directly or indirectly, that was the way his story went. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.880 But we're talking about him now as an ally who 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.880 did write by us. If there is such a thing 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.920 as heaven and I get there and that man isn't there, 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.160 and I've gone to the wrong place, and you know, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:10.000 what else is crazy. If I am here, I want 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.559 to point out something else. There's a lot of white 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.640 people throughout history who have been allies to black people, 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:22.280 and one of the things that is kind of unfortunate 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:26.200 is that a lot of them aren't known to us, 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.360 and as a result, they're not celebrated for doing the 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.400 right thing. And I'm sure that you know, many of 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.720 them aren't really looking to be celebrated. It's simply a 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.560 matter of following their internal moral compass and just simply 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.920 doing what's right. But when I hear stories like that, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:51.840 I feel encouraged that other white people will feel like 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.200 doing the right thing is greater than the sum of 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.360 its parts. Right, there's a bigger impact. They can make 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.280 a change, voice matters, et cetera. And so that's why 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.600 often on this show, when it makes sense, we will 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.120 do a deep dive about someone who's not black, oftentimes 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:15.320 they're white, who has been a tremendous ally to black 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.560 people and all people from being honest and folks that 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.880 want to see the world just treat everyone a little 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:27.080 bit more fairly. And so, you know, I hope that 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.600 that story and stories like that aren't just stories, but 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:37.240 they actually serve as motivation because you got a bear 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:41.200 in mind. You know, he's on a stage second place 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:45.600 in the Olympics. The world is watching, and you know, 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.320 it's kind of make it or break it moment and 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.560 we as we know, it costs a lot. But he's 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.680 remembered for rather more than making second place. He's just 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.720 not widely remembered. I think he's more remembered than perhaps 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:04.160 anyone else from the Olympics that year who was not 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:08.480 a black activist. But still, you know, there's there's levels 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:08.800 to this. 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.640 And even if he's not remembered, he's ever present because 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.240 of the photo, you know what I mean. So people 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:19.200 who never knew his name, people who never knew or 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.600 still don't know his story, you know, people that may 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:25.040 not be listening to us, they've seen that picture. Yeah, 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.000 and I'm sure some have questioned, yo, who who is 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.080 the guy that came in second? That story has has 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:35.480 had to be told. Now, I don't know, when we're 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:40.280 talking about allies white allies throughout history, there's a a 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:44.360 measure of self awareness that's necessary there because you have 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:49.760 to say to yourself in that moment, I'm advantage, I'm advantaged, 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:55.520 like I'm disadvantages is a much more naturally natural inclination, 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.720 if you will, I'm privileged and or advantaged, not so much. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.160 It's hard to see that. Yeah, So people who are 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:07.680 self aware enough to see in a way that's not 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.080 paying themselves a compliment that I'm privileged. Yeah, because I'm 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.000 sure there were many people who are very very aware 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.720 of there, of the difference in stature and throughout you know, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.920 the civilized world. Sure, but in a way that says 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:24.679 I'm unfairly privileged. You know, this is not something that 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.679 was earned. This is just the way it is. I 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:32.200 benefit from something. That's something that something's at play here 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.200 that I'm benefiting from, and it's not necessarily a good thing. 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.240 There's there's something about this where, you know, a lot 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.480 of times people who are not black feel like black 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.159 people are kind of picking on them because they're white. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.000 And I feel like, you know, this is obviously a 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.119 conversation for our would be allies and obviously people that 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.720 experience the world the same way that we do. But 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:03.240 there's something worth and it's that you know, a lot 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.679 of times these issues aren't with white people because they're white. 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:11.160 It's the issues are with human beings. Being human beings, 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.679 and they often happen to be white. I'll give you 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:19.960 an example to your point. Q. I recall a couple 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:26.280 of times in my life coming across a story about Monopoly, 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:30.520 the game Monopoly, Right, I've told that story on the show. Yeah, yeah, okay, 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.080 So for our listeners, for our listeners, I want to 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:38.000 make sure that you are brought up to speed. So basically, 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.160 there's a story, a study that was done, and I'm 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.199 sure you can find this on YouTube and check out 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.280 the results. It's fascinating. And again, this is not about 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.960 white people. This is not about capital, this isn't about 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.960 anything that we tend to pick on here at this show. 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:57.000 This is about human nature. So what happens is there 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.240 is a study and there's a game of Monopoly, and 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:07.840 one person gets to roll both dice and gets two 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.400 hundred dollars every time they pass go and they get 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.359 the full They don't get any advantages, so no privileges, 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:19.000 but they critically they don't have any disadvantages, right, and 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:23.720 then the other players in the game to varying levels. 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.719 If my memory serves me correct our disadvantage. Maybe they 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.760 can only roll one dice, maybe they can get only 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:33.560 one hundred dollars when they pass go, maybe every other 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.960 turn is skipped, whatever the case is. Right, So you 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:44.160 listening to this understands clearly that, well, the person who's 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:48.080 able to roll both dice and enjoy all of the 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.160 advantages afforded by the game is going to win, right. 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.520 But they weren't studying whether or not the person will win, 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.240 because I think there's no question there. They were studying 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:02.400 how they reacted to the advantage that they had. And 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:06.479 funnily enough, the more that the person with the and 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.520 I shouldn't say advantage, but the person who was able 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:14.320 to play the game fully, it was very difficult for 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:19.120 them to just to show behavior that suggested that they 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:23.480 were privileged. It's like they couldn't see it. It was like, oh, 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.359 well back to me, all right, I'm gonna buy that 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.640 from you. Okay, pay up. You know, there was no empathy. 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.480 It wasn't like, hey man, you're about to get bankrupt. 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.159 I realized that I'm playing the game here. I know 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.760 full well. They told me the rules in the beginning 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:37.160 that I this is deck. They told me that there's 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:43.679 a catch here, and it's the disadvantage is levied against you. 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:48.920 Not against me, but they still played the game aggressively, 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.520 and of course they won, and it was celebrated the 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.840 win exactly as though they somehow go ahead, you said, 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:02.239 as though somehow they had earned it. And so I 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:03.880 say that to say that a lot of times, it's 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:08.720 very difficult for people to see their own Again, privilege 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.560 is a word that triggers a lot of folks, but 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:16.960 the lack of disadvantages in their world. And again, this 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.600 is not a matter of it being a person who's white. 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:22.679 It's a matter of a human being behaving as a 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:26.520 human being would, and overwhelmingly in our story at least, 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.000 they happen to be white folks. And so we're not 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.520 mad at white people because they're white. We're not mad 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.879 at white people at all. We recognize their human beings. 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:38.320 But they need to be educated about their privilege. And 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.640 try as you might, a lot of people will push 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.679 back against it because in their opinion, well, look, I 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.919 wrote the disce same as everyone else. Look I bought it. 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:49.040 That was the price everybody, if you you could have 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.480 bought it, you know, And these are like realistic things, 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:55.800 and you can see how easily that translates into the 0:21:55.800 --> 0:22:00.400 world that we all share, right, So allieship or would 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:05.359 be allyship in this instance is something that also lies 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:12.080 just beyond the self reflection necessary to see the world 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.880 for what it is. And of course, of course anybody 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:17.959 can fly around the world and say, listen, look at 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.119 those kids in Africa with the belly sticking out and 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:22.480 the flies in their eyes. Or look at those kids 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:25.400 living in the slums in India, or look at how 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.920 the North Koreans are being treated, or look at you know, 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.919 all these places around the world, very distant, far off lands, 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:39.959 but it's very difficult to see that. Oftentimes circumstances that 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:47.040 or the invisible forces behind let's say capitalism or political 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:51.760 agendas or whatever that privilege and benefit people who are 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:56.280 very much empathetic to all of these, you know, places 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:59.840 around the world where people are suffering, they often fail 0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:03.399 to connect that suffering to the world that they live in. 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:06.520 I and I don't want to point fingers because I'm 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.760 Ramsey's job, and I have an iPhone. You know, I 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:11.440 have tons of shoes. I'm sure they're made in trying 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:14.080 to you know, this sort of thing. So we all 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:17.880 are learning how to be better allies to each other, 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:24.240 but often enough, the you know, the biggest uh and 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.600 the and the and the greatest overreach, I should say, 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.600 appears certainly from this vantage point to often enough be 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:39.160 from white individuals who have wealth, power, status, uh support 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:44.359 from all the systems, the political establishment, the criminal justice system, 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.280 the educational system, the medical fields, you know, the uh, 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:49.640 you know, you name it. That list goes on and. 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:50.960 I was going to say, that's going to turn into 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:51.879 an infinite list here. 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:55.240 So yeah, and again, this is not a matter of 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:59.440 complaining or anything like that. This is just a conversation, 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:01.600 the conress on what it means to be an ally 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:07.680 and why that's important, and you know, how you can 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:12.240