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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you,

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Speaker 1: and cold cases are being cracked. And we didn't even

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Speaker 1: There's also a new terrifying study about COVID nineteen that

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Speaker 1: everybody needs to hear in today's Strange News segment. But first,

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Speaker 1: what do you say we go to cold cases? Because

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Speaker 1: we've spent a lot of time on this show talking

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Speaker 1: about the ways in which widespread forensic DNA analysis has

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Speaker 1: cracked cases, including sexual assault cases, murder cases, and so

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Speaker 1: on that for years and decades been left gathering dust

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Speaker 1: of Matt. This this first story today is pretty close

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Speaker 1: to you because it ties into a show that you

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Speaker 1: yourself executive produced. Yes, you're right. It has to do

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Speaker 1: with Atlanta Monster, the Atlanta Missing and Murdered Children case,

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Speaker 1: or the Atlanta child murders as as it's also known.

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Speaker 1: What I have to tell you today is not a

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Speaker 1: in terms of hopefully finding some new answers or strengthening

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Speaker 1: Mayor of Atlanta, Keisha Lance Bottoms, she made an announcement

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Speaker 1: about ten days ago. As we record this, and I'm

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Speaker 1: maybe jump out and discuss as we go along this announcement,

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Speaker 1: she said, before the pandemic, we reopened the investigation into

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Missing and Murdered Children case, which was in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. By the way, they officially the City of

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Speaker 1: Atlanta reopened the case to study all of the evidence

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Speaker 1: and to see if there's new DNA that could be tested.

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Speaker 1: She says, Uh, part of the reasoning here is the

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Speaker 1: DNA testing forty years later, if there's anything else they

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Speaker 1: test it. She says, a few things have happened since

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Speaker 1: we reopened this. Thus far, investigators have methodically reviewed and

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Speaker 1: estimated forty of the collected evidence to determine which items

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Speaker 1: can be submitted for additional processing to a private lab,

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Speaker 1: and on June one, they've moved forward with that processing.

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Speaker 1: So that was June one of this year. And they're

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Speaker 1: whom the DNA has been extracted, because there were thirty

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Speaker 1: found for new testing could be from any of those victims,

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Speaker 1: and that includes the two adult victims from the very

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Speaker 1: end of the initial investigation into the Atlanta Missing murdered children.

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Speaker 1: Keisha lance Bottom says, this private lab has extensive experience

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Speaker 1: so that right there is a good start, right. Another

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Speaker 1: really interesting thing the mayor said is that the fiber

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Speaker 1: But the circumstantial evidence put forward to link Wayne Williams

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Speaker 1: a scapegoat. None of which makes Wayne Williams a good person,

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Speaker 1: this new private space race there uh, at least laying

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Speaker 1: the groundwork for technological breakthroughs. But with the f A

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Speaker 1: a s idea of public safety. I tend to agree

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Speaker 1: with you guys. It's it's kind of like the idea

434
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Speaker 1: of what is inappropriate or obscene, you know, one of

435
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: those I know when I see it kind of things.

436
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Speaker 1: So this, while it's difficult to divine motivations unless they're

437
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: clearly stated, the time mean of it definitely feels purposeful, right,

438
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: the timing of it, the fact that it's a short

439
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: document instead of something that obviously took years to make.

440
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from I'd love to hear from

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Speaker 1: Wayne our Monteth, the associate administrator who signed this, you know,

442
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: made this official. I'd like to hear what his motivation is.

443
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: You know, was this something that they had already had

444
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: in the works, when they learned about this plan, or

445
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: was this like a holy smokes, let's get this out

446
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: right now so that these guys cannot call themselves billionaire astronauts'.

447
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not completely sure, but this we know

448
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: that the commercial space Astronauts wing program already existed, right,

449
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: It's it's been around before this leg of the space race.

450
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: I think that they're protecting the legacy of it all

451
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: right again, while he funk is part of that, Um,

452
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Speaker 1: she was denied the designation of astronauts during a time where,

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Speaker 1: you know, despite all of the hard work she and

454
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Speaker 1: her colleagues from you know, the Mercury thirteen put in,

455
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: they were denied specifically for being uh the wrong gender,

456
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, for the time. I wasn't until nineteen seventy

457
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Speaker 1: eight that that women were allowed into the space program.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, I kind of think what they're doing is

459
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: less of a you know, middle finger to the billionaires

460
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: and more of just like a protecting the legacy and

461
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: the people who actually put in that hard work under

462
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: really difficult circumstances. Because okay, yes, did Jeff Bezos work

463
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: really hard to become the richest man in the universe? Sure, Um,

464
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: but did he work really hard to become an astronaut

465
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Speaker 1: quote unquote in the same way that like a Neil

466
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Speaker 1: Armstrong did, or like you know of Wally Funk or

467
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: a buzz All Genner, these luminaries of the past um

468
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: that really put their necks on the line too, and

469
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: it was super scary to do that, and when it

470
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Speaker 1: was really untested, it to me feels like a sort

471
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Speaker 1: of like a protection against some rich bozo waltzing in

472
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Speaker 1: and just say, oh, I'm the same, I'm the same

473
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Speaker 1: as all of you. He's not the same as all

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Speaker 1: of them. Wouldn't they be able to qualify if they

475
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Speaker 1: did something that would by contribute to public safety or

476
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Speaker 1: safer space flights. What I take that to mean is

477
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: conducting experiments and we're making discoveries that will up chances

478
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily of survival on that flight, but will in

479
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Speaker 1: hard terms, up the chances of survival on flights that

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Speaker 1: come after. Right that, That's where I think they're going,

481
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Speaker 1: And they're saying it seems like in a in a

482
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Speaker 1: fairly dry way. I'd agree. I tend to agree about

483
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Speaker 1: protecting a legacy here, but it seems like in a

484
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Speaker 1: fairly dry way, they're also saying, you just went to space.

485
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Speaker 1: You just went to quote unquote space for a little

486
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Speaker 1: more than ten ten minutes or so, and you didn't

487
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Speaker 1: really do anything to help other people while you were

488
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Speaker 1: up there, or to help other you know, astronauts or

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Speaker 1: later flights. Is that what they're saying now? It did

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Speaker 1: Blue Origin? Do we know know what their Blue Origin

491
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Speaker 1: conducted experiments or took data of some sort. For my understanding,

492
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: the only experiments they can were like tossing skittles into

493
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Speaker 1: each other's mouths and and just kind of like laughing

494
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: about it, and uh, you know, they looked out the wind. No,

495
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Speaker 1: I do not believe they conducted any experiments. It was

496
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Speaker 1: a very short journey, you know. I think it would

497
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Speaker 1: require a little more of a an I. S. S.

498
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Speaker 1: Situation or more of like a you know, being up

499
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Speaker 1: there for a while to have the opportunity to do that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was in the cars. And in fact,

501
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: the Branson space flight was actually labeled as a test flight.

502
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: Um so, yeah, and the or the rocket by the way,

503
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: it's called the New Shepherd. Blue Origin is the company,

504
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: um bezos a space company, and apparently these uh phallic

505
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: rockets have been around for a while. I think this

506
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: was just the most high profile kind of unveiling of

507
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: this rocket where everyone kind of all at the same time.

508
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I know what that looks like. Um,

509
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, most rockets are kind of inherently phallic in nature,

510
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: but this one literally has like a thing on the

511
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Speaker 1: end that really sells the image. I think it's just

512
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Speaker 1: such dope technology because they're doing the same thing Blue

513
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: Origin is doing the same thing for uh SpaceX is

514
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Speaker 1: doing where they're sending up rockets that can then come

515
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Speaker 1: back down and land on their own without any human intervention,

516
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: well without any direct human intervention or whatever you wanna

517
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Speaker 1: call it piloting. Um, that's super cool just from an

518
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Speaker 1: inability to send things up into space if we need

519
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: to on any scale, that's awesome. I mean, wouldn't that

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Speaker 1: be public safety a contribution to public safety in space flight?

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00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean, also, they're reusable. That's kind of hard to

522
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Speaker 1: sneeze at. That's amazing. And and that capsule came back

523
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: down it was good to go. Same thing with Virgin

524
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: Galactic Man. There's is shaped much more like a shuttle,

525
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: just with a kind of a weird freely back end

526
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: is a space plane. Actually, yeah, because it takes off.

527
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: The whole system takes off as a plane gets up

528
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: to a certain altitude. Then the rocket detaches and it

529
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: goes up for there and then lands, and then that

530
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: thing comes back down like a shuttle and lands again.

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Speaker 1: Like the kid in me is super excited about all

532
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: that tech and innovation. It's just the billionaire part is

533
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: pretty sticky. Yeah, six million people have ongoing food insecurity

534
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: and case starvation. Uh. But but the idea again is

535
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: is an argument of greater good combined with hey, it's

536
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: their money. What who's to stop them from doing what

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00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: they want? They're not breaking any laws, right, and it's

538
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: true they're not doing anything illegal in this endeavor, but

539
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: they're they're not. They're not, they're not. But I guess

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00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: it's the power and the symbols we see, you know,

541
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: like like the way you would have, um, what's the

542
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: law called when people pretend that their veterans to try

543
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: to get perks, stolen honor or something crazy stolen valor?

544
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: That's it thinking that, I mean, think applying that too.

545
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: I think maybe there's some similar idea here, which is

546
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Speaker 1: don't don't say that you are part of this tremendous

547
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: legacy in this way, you know, And I think that's

548
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: an accurate argument. But if I were one of these people,

549
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: I think if any of us were one of these

550
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: people and we really wanted to wear non honorary astronaut

551
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: wings that bad, then the next media question is, Okay,

552
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: what do you want me to do? What f a

553
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: A approved experiments or contributions can we explicitly agree on

554
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: and then I will do those, you know what I mean?

555
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: That seems the only way that they couldn't just change

556
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: the definition the next time you're eleven minutes away from

557
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: your email or whatever. Well, I think I think it's

558
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: also like they really are just kind of predicting the

559
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: future of space travel and getting the terms in order

560
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: now early right. There's a really good article about this

561
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: on NBC News Um written by a niece chow and

562
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: Denise chow Um interviews a space historian and author named

563
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: Andrew chake In or chike in Um. And he has

564
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: a really interesting way of something that stuff, and I

565
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: think we can leave it with this. Um. I like

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00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: the term space traveler. He says, anybody who flies in space,

567
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: whatever their capacity is a space traveler. In years to come,

568
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: people might go out to space not for science, but

569
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: just for a requirement to do their job. Maybe it's

570
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: a manager of an orbiting hotel. I don't know that

571
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: you would call that person an astronaut, but you would

572
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: call them a space traveler. There you go. You should

573
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: definitely watch that promo for the problem with Jon Stewart.

574
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: It's worth it if you've enjoyed any of this conversation.

575
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: You know, in fact, let's pause for word from our response,

576
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: or to give everybody a chance to check it out.

577
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: You're here and we have returned. We promised you something terrifying,

578
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: or warned you about something terrified, and here it is. First,

579
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm well aware that many of our fellow listeners today

580
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: are undergoing what I would call COVID fatigue. You've heard

581
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: about it so much in the news. It has altered

582
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: your life, whether or not you got vaccinated, whether or

583
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: not you were infected with COVID nineteen prime. I'll call

584
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: it Amazon. The Amazon's in my head, or one of

585
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: the many variants that are proliferating across the planet as

586
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: we speak. There's a new problem in town, and it's

587
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: one that's been rumored for a while, and give you

588
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: the headlines, give you the rough ins and ounce of it,

589
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: and then I'd love to I'd love to get Matt

590
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 1: knowl Wall's thoughts as well as you, fellow conspiracy realist.

591
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: So you probably know someone who contracted COVID. Uh. They

592
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: may have had serious, even fatal symptoms. They may have

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00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: been asymptomatic and only found out that they were infected

594
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: after they received a test that indicated antibodies in their system.

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00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: But you know, at this point, you know someone who

596
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: contracted COVID or variants somehow, and you may have watched

597
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: your loved ones discovered the unique nature of how this

598
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: virus affected them. You know, some people say I have

599
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Speaker 1: a shortness of breath. Some people are experiencing what we've

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Speaker 1: now come to call long COVID. Right then, long COVID

601
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: would be symptoms or problems that continue after the infection

602
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: has left someone's body. And that still those are still

603
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: things like shortness of breath, maybe lethargy and so on. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there are, as we record today, there's still tons of

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Speaker 1: studies being conducted to figure out exactly what your life

606
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: is going to look like. You know, twenty thirty years

607
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: down the line after you've been infected with COVID or

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Speaker 1: a COVID variant. And there's a new study that just

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Speaker 1: got published in the Lancet or in a journal of

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Speaker 1: the Lancet called E Clinical Medicine. Don't let the dry,

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Speaker 1: very unsexy name fool you. This is important. The findings

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Speaker 1: suggests that COVID can produce substantial reductions in cognitive ability.

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Speaker 1: It seems to be lasting, and it seems to be

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Speaker 1: in step with the severity of the illness on the

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Speaker 1: individual basis. Another scary thing about this and found out

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Speaker 1: about it pretty much by coincidence. The lead researcher, guy

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Speaker 1: named Adam Hampshire, was doing a It was collecting a

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00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: large scale set of mental and cognitive health data as

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Speaker 1: part of something called the Great British Intelligence Test. And

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Speaker 1: this is so I want to pause here so I'm

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Speaker 1: not monologueing, But you guys, we all know someone who

622
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: contracted COVID, right, do we know anybody who's who experienced

623
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Speaker 1: serious symptoms? No? I mean I I said I. I

624
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: tested positive for the COVID antibody. I don't really know

625
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: when I got it, um, but I apparently did. And Um,

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00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: I've known quite a few people who have gotten in

627
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: with varying degrees of symptoms. I have a very good

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00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: friend who was probably the most careful of anyone that

629
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Speaker 1: I know. Never left his house, him and his party

630
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: and his partner. Uh must have gotten it from going

631
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: to the grocery store one time, or from literally taking

632
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: a walk down the street and passing through a cloud

633
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: of aerosolized COVID or aerosolized you know, breath from maybe

634
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: a jogger or something like that. Literally, just we've we've

635
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: gone around and around. It's like, what could it have been? Yeah,

636
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: there there's somebody just close in my personal sphere who

637
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Speaker 1: experienced long COVID. I suppose you would say, uh, lingering

638
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: effects of of the infection. Yeah, and let's keep them

639
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: in our thoughts as well as everybody else who is

640
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: currently fighting off the virus that causes COVID. Here's what

641
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: happened in this study that Adam Hampshire was gonna be

642
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: conducting anyway, It's very important to know that he didn't

643
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Speaker 1: set off to find this. The test is composed of

644
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: a series of tasks that are designed to measure just

645
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: different dimensions of cognitive ability think like a less biased

646
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: i Q test. We should probably also do an episode

647
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: on the i Q test at some point, but while

648
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: they were conducting this test, it tests things like, you know,

649
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: quantitative intelligence, memory retention, short term stuff, you know, like

650
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: remember these seven numbers or something. Just by the way,

651
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: seven is one of the easy numbers of digits for

652
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: people to remember, which is why phone numbers in the

653
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: US minus the area code or seven digits. Everything about that.

654
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: It's it's easy for our brains to work with them. Right,

655
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't need to remember phone numbers now, right.

656
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: We've got nine and then one, eight, three, three STD

657
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: w y t K. Those are the only two numbers

658
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: that anyone in America bothers to remember today. That's right.

659
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: And you can just put it in your phone and

660
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: just call it STD, and then your your parents or

661
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: whoever you hang out with, we'll go, um, sorry, why

662
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: do you have STD in your phone? And why why

663
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: do you call so much? They'll be like, you have

664
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: a mysterious, enigmatic, and adventurous life, You, my friend, are dangerous.

665
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: Uh well, it's funny. We can talk about memory later

666
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: because this does apply to this conversation. I bet that

667
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: those of us in the crowd today who are old

668
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: enough to remember the time before ubiquitous smartphones mobile devices,

669
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: I bet you probably remember phone numbers from your ancient past,

670
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: Like you probably remember your parents home phone number, even

671
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: if you have a smartphone. If you don't remember your

672
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: parents number, memorize it now just in case. You probably

673
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: remember like friends you had when you were growing up

674
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: before you were allowed to have smartphones. I don't know

675
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: what age kids get them now, but the I, dude,

676
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: I just remembered my seriously, and you're saying that my

677
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: friend might like school aged young friend that I grew

678
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: up with. That number just flashed for my eyes and

679
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: I have not thought about it since elementary school. Holy crap,

680
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: that was amazing, Ben, Sorry, Oh, your brain is amazing

681
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: because it's it kept it how what an amazing organ.

682
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: Our brains are hoarders of information and they should be.

683
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: Some part of your brain was like, we should keep

684
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: that just a case, don't throw it away just yet.

685
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: You never but uh, of course we won't say the

686
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: number on air. But I'm sure you remembered explicitly. So

687
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: what this what happened is while Hampshire is gathering this information.

688
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: Some of his colleagues, he says, contacted him during this

689
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: time to say, hey, this is also a golden opportunity

690
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: to figure out how the pandemic and COVID nineteen may

691
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: or may not be affecting mental health and cognition. And

692
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: he had been thinking about this, so he wanted to

693
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: help as much as he could, so he put an

694
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: extension onto the study to include information about COVID nineteen.

695
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: They talked with a lot of people, over eighty thousand,

696
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: eighty one thousand, three and thirty seven participants, uh, And

697
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: they these folks did the test between January and December

698
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. Of the entire sample, there were twelve thousand,

699
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: six d eighty nine individuals who said they had experienced

700
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen with some degree of respiratory severity. That sounds

701
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: like a small number, and it is, but we have

702
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: to remember this is January and December, and so things

703
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: were still a little bit different. The situation was evolving.

704
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: And what they found is spooky because they said, all right,

705
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: we've controlled for all the other intervening variables, age, sex,

706
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: whether they're right or left handed or ambidextrous, what language

707
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: they speak, how much education they have of etcetera, etcetera, YadA, YadA, YadA,

708
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: And after accounting for all of that, getting the best

709
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: baseline they could, they found that people who contracted COVID

710
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: nineteen tended to underperform on this intelligence test compared to

711
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: people who had not contracted the virus. The biggest deficits

712
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: were on tasks that required planning, problem solving, and reasoning.

713
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: And this goes into one of the other symptoms of

714
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: long COVID that people have reported, which they called brain fog.

715
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: And I had know that. I know that symptom. Well

716
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: did you know it? Well, no, hopefully not COVID related,

717
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: But it's just you know, I call it the mondays um.

718
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: But no, yeah, no, I I can totally imagine what

719
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: it might be. It's just sort of like a bit

720
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: of a haze, not being able to connect the dots,

721
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, and in your day to day problem solving difficulty,

722
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: I imagine. Um, stop me if I'm way off base,

723
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: But that just it's pretty pretty great name for something

724
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: I think we can all under stand. Well, yeah, I

725
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: wonder how common that is just in this era of

726
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: anyone who has gone you know, lived through as an adult,

727
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: the quarantine process and the pandemic in general. I wonder

728
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: I would I would if I was being asked, I

729
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, I'm experiencing a lot of brain fogg lately, um,

730
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: and I would probably attribute it to all of that

731
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: just feeling not normal. I guess as as much of

732
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 1: the past year and a half or so has been

733
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: not normal, so everything feels weird anyway. I bet I

734
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: can totally see why that brain fog. Again, the person

735
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm close to that experienced this reported that exact symptom

736
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: while they were dealing with the like the immediate post

737
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: COVID effects. I see, and and you know, you don't

738
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: have to have COVID. You guys are raising the excellent point.

739
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: You don't have to have COVID to experience something like

740
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: brain fogg because during the pandemic a lot of the

741
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: routine that people used to define the passage of time

742
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: are removed. I would be surprised if there was anybody

743
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: who experienced the lockdown and always remembered what day it is,

744
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: because the peak behind the curtain, as we say on

745
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: this show, there there were months where I just knew

746
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: what day it was based on whether or not I

747
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: was recording with these exactly, I was like, yep, and uh,

748
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: you know, if I wasn't recording, then it was just

749
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: a day where I did email and then planning things.

750
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: I would have to go back at my head and say, okay,

751
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: we're recording then, so that is definitely a Monday. Well yeah,

752
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: but even email, you get look, I maybe just saying

753
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: too much here, But even email, I remember moments where

754
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: I sat and looked at my email for way too long,

755
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: like a single draft, just going I think I know

756
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: what I want to say here, and then try and

757
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: write it and just not be happy you with it,

758
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: and then just anyway, I'm just oh, well, then you

759
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: end up with all those like drafts and like are

760
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: like half finished tabs open and then it just starts

761
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: to get a little bit out of control. So yeah,

762
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: I'm with you there too. We just we we had

763
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: a lost time of of brain fogs. It's true. It's true.

764
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the kind of there was something

765
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: almost ghost like about that existence. Reminds me of the

766
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: film The Others, where in the protagonists or moving through

767
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: this world that they do not quite understand. Uh, and

768
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: then the passage of time becomes unclear. Don't want to

769
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: spoil it, but it's a good show. Uh this okay,

770
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: So this is kind of terrifying because it means that

771
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: even if you have done your absolute best, you've done

772
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: everything right, you could still somehow get infected by this thing,

773
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: and depending on this severity, you could experience as much

774
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: as a seven point drop in your intelligence is measured

775
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: in terms of i Q. This doesn't seem fair. Of course,

776
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: life is not known for being particularly fair, but still

777
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: it seems like a It seems like a crappy deal,

778
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: doesn't it. I looked into I looked into more of

779
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: this because I wanted to check out the methodology of

780
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: the study. And if you are currently scared or a a

781
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: little bit spooked out by this, then you should be

782
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: then keep listening because we're going to we're gonna take

783
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: apart some parts of this. And also, let's just keep

784
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: in mind, this is one study. There's there's there's gonna

785
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: be lots of studies into this. You know, there's probably

786
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: another study, uh, equally as scientifically rigorous that says something

787
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: that's complete opposite, you know. So I mean, let's not

788
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: get too terrified or shaking in our boots about God,

789
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: I had COVID or somebody know has COVID. That means

790
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna gradually become brain dead over time, Like I

791
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: don't think that's what anyone's saying. Or no, no, not

792
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: at all to say something like that. We would need

793
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:06,959
Speaker 1: better longitudinal test. We would need monitoring over a much

794
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: longer span of time. So when people who were in

795
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: their thirties when the pandemic struck, when there maybe in

796
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: their sixties or seventies, right then we can have enough

797
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: information to look back and see whether a correlation exists

798
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: over the long term, which sounds like through it a

799
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: lot of gobbled goog at you, But the point is

800
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: that you should. The point is remain called chin's up,

801
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: don't panic yet. Let's bust some holes in this study

802
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: as well. So what did I say? Eighty one thousand,

803
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: three and thirty seven participants twelve thousand, six eighty nine

804
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: said they had COVID with some degree of respiratory severity.

805
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: So there were other people who are probably a symptomatic

806
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: they didn't know it, maybe they didn't get tested. There

807
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: was a very small subset of people, only two seventy

808
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: five people who did the intelligence tests both before and

809
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: after contracting COVID nineteen. So the study mostly employed what

810
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: is called a cross sectional methodology. This is this is

811
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: the right thing to do in this case, as long

812
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: as we remember it limits your ability to draw solid

813
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: conclusions about cause and effect. So this is a large

814
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: sample size for initial research, but we have to ask

815
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: ourselves whether there are other factors working in tandem with

816
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: this loss of intelligence. Also could be getting a bit

817
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: of a false positive with the idea of contracting COVID

818
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: leading to lower intelligence, because there might be people who

819
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: were more who were more likely to read in depth

820
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: about things like the importance of social distancing or quarantining right.

821
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: You could make you could make an argument. I'm not

822
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: making this, I don't think any of us are making

823
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: this argument, but you could make an argument that there

824
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: was some sort of factor there that the study is

825
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: not not designed right to understand. But what this means

826
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: to me, and I hope I think you guys will agree,

827
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: But what this means to me is that there are

828
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: there's potential for long term effects of COVID that we

829
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: do not know yet, that we do not understand, and

830
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: you can find unfortunately, no shortage of anecdotes from people

831
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: who are saying, yeah, I've got the antibodies, COVID is

832
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: out of my system, but now I'm experiencing long COVID.

833
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: The infection left, but the symptoms remained. Studies are still

834
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: happening on this. Uh, you know the idea that you

835
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: saw fatigue, that you saw brain fog, cough, chest stomach pain,

836
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: headaches that come and go, and of course difficulty breathing.

837
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: We don't know yet. We don't know how much of

838
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: that is directly related to COVID versus a person's pre

839
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: existing lifestyle. We don't know how much of that is

840
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: related to the trauma, the psychological trauma of surviving a pandemic,

841
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: the physical trauma of surviving a disease, And at this

842
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: point we're not going to know until more research is done.

843
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: If that is, you believe the science in the direction

844
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: it's heading, and now is the right you know? Um,

845
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: and I'm lucky to say, like I know several people

846
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: who have experienced COVID, luckily none to ventilator level, but

847
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: we have a colleague who was tremendously safe to the

848
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: utmost degree. And after you know, this person's pod got

849
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: vaccinated they all got together for a celebration for a holiday,

850
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: and they were all either vaccinated or previously had COVID

851
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: and gotten to the other side of it, or so

852
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: they thought. Because of this very small gathering, maybe ten

853
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: or so people of them, including our friends, contracted this infection.

854
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: So it's it's nothing to play with, especially because we

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Speaker 1: but really no nothing debilitating nothing, of course, nothing along

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Speaker 1: even from the variant. Now, of course, Fiser in particular

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Speaker 1: Hopefully that's because the science is there also fisers of

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Speaker 1: But lest we get to cynical, want to hear your

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Speaker 1: people's own experiences. If you, if you were a left

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Speaker 1: Did uh, did anyone experience this brain fog? Did it

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