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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob
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Speaker 1: me and you again? This is happening every day now,
Speaker 1: that three minute show will be the best one of
Speaker 1: the day. Yes, because Mickey Spagnola will be joining us
Speaker 1: momentarily after his fan hit next door Kik Garrison fan
Speaker 1: hit the way he said, it's like he's over there
Speaker 1: beating up fans or he's getting hit by one. Five
Speaker 1: with some hard questions for this Cowboys team. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: need to get back to practice. They need to just
Speaker 1: file that one away. Last Sunday against Indianapolis and hey,
Speaker 1: first shutout loss in fifteen years. It doesn't happen often.
Speaker 1: It can't happen again, right, No, it can't happen again.
Speaker 1: You can't go through you know the same things that
Speaker 1: happened to you in that football game. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of it was let's see Dallas given that game away.
Speaker 1: But what I did see was Dallas physically getting beat up.
Speaker 1: And I don't that's I haven't seen that really all
Speaker 1: year from this football team. I haven't seen anybody just
Speaker 1: beat them up. And that, you know, that's what I
Speaker 1: think when they get back on the practice field today,
Speaker 1: you know that's going to probably be their focus. Is
Speaker 1: you know, I always talking about execution and things of
Speaker 1: this nature, but you know, how about playing with some physicality.
Speaker 1: You could see that when we were in that walk
Speaker 1: off with Jason Garrett, it stressed him. You know, I
Speaker 1: asked him to question about with your team physical enough,
Speaker 1: and you know he could see he gritted his teeth
Speaker 1: and said, no, we really weren't. And I think that's
Speaker 1: where he needs to try and focus first and foremost
Speaker 1: on with his football team, is let's get back to
Speaker 1: being a team that can be, you know, a dominant
Speaker 1: team up front when it comes to defense and things
Speaker 1: like that. So hopefully that'll be the that'll be the case.
Speaker 1: They can't go through another one like that, for sure.
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola welcome, good Marning. How's everything going going well?
Speaker 1: Just talking about being physical. Hopefully they've got um a
Speaker 1: padded practice left where they can That's what Robin I
Speaker 1: were talking about, and get out there and knock some heads.
Speaker 1: They got any left, it's close because there's yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we're down to like he was trying to save
Speaker 1: a couple. I think there was one Wednesday where they
Speaker 1: went out there and it might have been after that
Speaker 1: three game stretch stretch, the stretch and and he I
Speaker 1: think he was trying to save one or two for
Speaker 1: that for that day. I think I don't think they'll
Speaker 1: have a And they talked about having really good practices
Speaker 1: last week, you know on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Clayton vander esh and Jalen Smith both said that, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe the best practice they've had all year. They used
Speaker 1: one last week for sure. Yeah, yep. And you only
Speaker 1: get thirteen, is that right? I don't know the exact number.
Speaker 1: I know he always tries to save. He'll be grateful
Speaker 1: if they could get this thing into the playoffs that
Speaker 1: we'll get one more. You know, every time you get
Speaker 1: back in you get another practice. So and you have
Speaker 1: that weird stretch with back to back Thursday games where
Speaker 1: you're probably not using them anyway right because of the schedule.
Speaker 1: But you can't save them all to the end either.
Speaker 1: You have to use so many by a certain amount
Speaker 1: of ton It's ridiculous, right. I think the coaches know
Speaker 1: their team and know when they can carry pads in
Speaker 1: practice and when they can't. I'm okay with the one
Speaker 1: a week if that's what you want to do, But
Speaker 1: how about giving me sixteen. I gotta play sixteen games?
Speaker 1: Why can't I have sixteen? That part doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: But I gathering TV of the NFLPA wave their flag
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we won one there. We don't have
Speaker 1: to put pads on every week. What was the biggest
Speaker 1: issue is physicality in that game. I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't think it was execution. I think that the coach
Speaker 1: they got beat on both lines. Yeah, that's that's where
Speaker 1: I was the troubling thing that that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: It wasn't then making mistakes. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: their inability to really control both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: I think I mean, I think Jason said it, we couldn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't get off block Yeah, they were getting blocked. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe the Indianapolis offensive line is that good. They're not
Speaker 1: frauds uh, and they're not going to call I'm fraud.
Speaker 1: And then and then and then the offensive line you know,
Speaker 1: just wasn't consistent. And yeah, that's true. You gotta put
Speaker 1: that behind. We'll put it behind. The tape, burned the tape.
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence said, they hit us in the mouth. They
Speaker 1: did squarely in the mouth. And you know, they've got
Speaker 1: to return the favor against Tampa Bay this Sunday. You
Speaker 1: mentioned physical. They've played in some really physical ball games,
Speaker 1: like the ones that stand out to me this year Houston.
Speaker 1: Houston was bloodbath and that Saints game was a fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: physical like guys flying around hitting each other. Probably the
Speaker 1: best tackling game they've had. Yeah, I mean they got
Speaker 1: after when it came to tackling. And and yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean there were there's some fronts that they've had to
Speaker 1: play that have been been tough, but they've they you know,
Speaker 1: they've stood in there, Todd toe Like we've talked about
Speaker 1: this on a bunch in the show. Defense has carried
Speaker 1: this football team all year. The questions we've had have
Speaker 1: been offensively yep, and and and if going into Oxen,
Speaker 1: hard I would have I would have said the opposite,
Speaker 1: you know, because there was too many unknowns on you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are too man unknowns on But I should have
Speaker 1: seen the receiver by committee. Thing that pisses me off
Speaker 1: as I think about it right now. It started to
Speaker 1: unfold in Oxnard though, because defense, because the defense started
Speaker 1: covering those guys. Yeah, yeah, they were winning a lot
Speaker 1: and team drills out there, well they made it, they
Speaker 1: made a switch. But yeah, I think the physical I
Speaker 1: think you'll see a much different cowboy team off the
Speaker 1: jump this week. I think I think you. I think
Speaker 1: that I guarantee you when you guys have the locker
Speaker 1: room sessions that it'll be the physicality. The word physicality
Speaker 1: will come back into play. You'll you'll hear that with
Speaker 1: a bunch today. I heard one of the I guess
Speaker 1: he's a hot boy in the in the dining room,
Speaker 1: uh to yesterday Tuesday, right all I heard him say
Speaker 1: to somebody that ain't happening again. Yeah, so they knew,
Speaker 1: they sure, Yeah, they are the first ones to know.
Speaker 1: By No, we don't need to point it out right.
Speaker 1: They know we got a big show today. We got
Speaker 1: a lot to cover. Five to two ninety seven is
Speaker 1: the number if you'd like to join us over the
Speaker 1: next hour. We've got bucks to look at, We've got
Speaker 1: injuries on this roster, and let's start with some news
Speaker 1: of the day. What happen today, Well, what happened last night?
Speaker 1: The Pro Bowl got announced? Mick, Yes, it did, you're right.
Speaker 1: Break it down for us. Who's in Cowboys had five guys, yes,
Speaker 1: selected Tyran Smith, Zack Martin, Zeko Elliott, DeMarcus Lawrence, and
Speaker 1: Byron Jones for the first times too. Tyrn. I believe
Speaker 1: that's his sixth selection. Yes, that ties him for the
Speaker 1: second most Pro Bowl selections of offensive lineman and Cowboys
Speaker 1: history with John Niland, Nate Newton, and Rayfield. Right here
Speaker 1: we go. The ultimately guy that's had more is Larry Allen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I believe it was ten or eleven. It's eleven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. So everybody wanted to point out Rayfield, right,
Speaker 1: but they forgot Nate and they forgot John Nilan. Oh absolutely.
Speaker 1: John Allen was really good too, by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back in the day when I was watching him play,
Speaker 1: Can I say Septing real quick. Yeah about that, I
Speaker 1: mean we all kind of put up on the board
Speaker 1: who we thought. I didn't have Tyron Smith on the board,
Speaker 1: but I had Layton Vanderesh, but I had everybody else, right,
Speaker 1: but I had those two. I didn't have Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: as being one of the guys. You forgot one thing.
Speaker 1: What was that? Welcome to the NFL rookie. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: also happened to that guy in Indianapolis who's playing really well,
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard. I think I only saw one Ricky selected well.
Speaker 1: The Derwin James Dwin James Derwin James is Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: played with Barley. Yeah, yeah, so that Yeah, you're right
Speaker 1: about the rookie stuff. I just I just kind of
Speaker 1: thought that those two guys would get opportunities. Well here
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about snubs here, Robert trying to
Speaker 1: say that if you, you know, if you if you
Speaker 1: had to say Kate Brian and of the list you had,
Speaker 1: who would you have had on and who would you
Speaker 1: had off? I don't think I would have had Tyrn
Speaker 1: Smith on and I would have had Layton Vandersh on.
Speaker 1: Who would you had instead of Tyron? I was just
Speaker 1: talking about the Cowboy. No, no, but see, and that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying because yeah, I just was not seeing
Speaker 1: every single offensive tackle playing this This was not the
Speaker 1: best year for Tyrn not get it. Yeah, but okay,
Speaker 1: so tell me you know, and I think the names
Speaker 1: out there were floating around was Whitworth from the Ring
Speaker 1: Yeah he got snubbed two and ram Check from the
Speaker 1: Saint and he got snubbed as well. Those are two
Speaker 1: good ones. Williams did he play? He didn't even play
Speaker 1: the Trent Williams has been in and out of the lineups.
Speaker 1: He's been much like with Tyron Smith. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a lot of that was reputation there. I
Speaker 1: believe there's Okay, so let me let me pick this
Speaker 1: bone on on the linebacker thing. Yeah, so they came up.
Speaker 1: They finally got it kind of right. Like they got
Speaker 1: inside linebackers right and outside linebackers. So Keithley and Wagner,
Speaker 1: you knew that's what's going to happen inside right, right,
Speaker 1: So outside linebackers usually are reserved for guys that have
Speaker 1: a bunch of sacks, right, So Khalil Mack had ten sacks,
Speaker 1: He's gonna make it right. Pretty good. Kerrigan nine sacks.
Speaker 1: I don't know how well he's played other than that,
Speaker 1: but he's got nine sacks. Reputation, No Kerrigan's yea. If
Speaker 1: Karrikin gets a sack, I think he's had ten or
Speaker 1: more sacks, like six straight years. So everybody knows about everybody. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Anthony Barr. Somebody's gonna have to explain to me how
Speaker 1: they voted for Anthony Barr. He's only played eleven games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he only has three sacks. And you know what his
Speaker 1: grand total of tackles are forty nine. That's a hundred
Speaker 1: less less than vander is one hundred who voted for him.
Speaker 1: Reputation What reputation? Yeah, he has a reputation as a
Speaker 1: good player in the league. I just said, welcome to
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. Rookie. Yeah, all I know, but usually
Speaker 1: you got to have two good years in a row
Speaker 1: to make it the first time. So that's a rookie.
Speaker 1: But Anthony Barr was there not somebody else they played
Speaker 1: better as an outside linebacker. Well, they don't tell us
Speaker 1: the alternates for the Pro Bowl, but I would be
Speaker 1: shocked if Vanderesh wasn't at least in wrong consideration. There
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith too. Both had good years. Um, and there's
Speaker 1: no shame in missing the Pro Bowl. If you look
Speaker 1: at the NFC and Alvin Kamara does not make it,
Speaker 1: you know what they need and McCaffrey doesn't make it,
Speaker 1: that's a big snub, right. So which one of those
Speaker 1: running backs would you have taken off? Well? Maybe Barkley
Speaker 1: he's played really well. He has played really well. Rush.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm not taking Girly off and I'm
Speaker 1: not taking Zeke off. So if you've got to take
Speaker 1: one off, get the rookie. Maybe the rookie. But he's
Speaker 1: he's deserving as well. It's just it's just a loaded group.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's he's third in rushing and second
Speaker 1: in from How about what's his receptions leading he has
Speaker 1: more than I think he has more than Zeke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's a more receiving yards. You know McCaffrey's
Speaker 1: got almost one hundred catches. Yeah. Um, But you know
Speaker 1: this linebacker thing. We when Brady James was here, it
Speaker 1: was the same thing. He never made it because he
Speaker 1: was going up against Patrick Willis and there's two spots
Speaker 1: and then it's the outside linebacker stuff. You've got three
Speaker 1: four defenses who were have pass rushers and it's a
Speaker 1: sack thing all of a sudden, get it, you know
Speaker 1: how it is. But Anthony Barr with three sacks? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: well let's focus on a little positive then that would
Speaker 1: just stuck him by Crows. That's fine. And one other
Speaker 1: thing about Rayfield, right, everybody pointed out him, and the
Speaker 1: reason why is because it's the offensive tackle thing and
Speaker 1: he's a Hall of Famer and that's you know, you
Speaker 1: put Tying in that category. That's that's pretty impressive. This
Speaker 1: is a guy tiring that's putting quite the resume. Time
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen ram check play for the Saints.
Speaker 1: He's played better than Tyron Smith. Okay, that that I'll say. Now.
Speaker 1: I have not seen Andrew Whitworth play much for the Rams.
Speaker 1: I have not seen any of the Rams tape this year,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, So I don't know how
Speaker 1: well he's played, but I know that I know ram
Speaker 1: Check has been If you if you were to say, okay,
Speaker 1: Ram checks in and Smith's out, I think people would say, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, but that's hey, good for tiring to get in.
Speaker 1: I just that's a I just went through all the
Speaker 1: offensive tackles in the NFC, and you know there's nobody
Speaker 1: you would select over Smith, with the exception the two
Speaker 1: guys that got snubbed. Yeah, Ram check and then again,
Speaker 1: I don't know Whitworth is. I don't know his game
Speaker 1: as well. Knew it last year. Haven't seen him play
Speaker 1: much this year in any cross film I've done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're right, I was just talking offensive lineman and yeah,
Speaker 1: by position, Yeah, because the other two guys were actually
Speaker 1: the other three guys were guards, right, Yeah, although one
Speaker 1: year as a tackle, yes he did. He did. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about Byron Jones just for a minute. Had that
Speaker 1: one right? Had that one right? Yeah? I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody had this pegged preseason. I know you were
Speaker 1: skeptical that this move could work. I was, and it's
Speaker 1: rightfully so, and it's worked out better than maybe anybody thought,
Speaker 1: maybe even Byron himself. Maybe we can ask him that today,
Speaker 1: how quickly he's adjusted to this role and why do
Speaker 1: you think it's worked out as well as it has.
Speaker 1: I think it's worked out well because of how competitive
Speaker 1: the guy is, you know, I mean we talk about
Speaker 1: to play corner. You have to have athletic ability, you
Speaker 1: have to have mobility, you have to have the ability
Speaker 1: to turn the match to run to do you know,
Speaker 1: he's not the quickest guy. He's not the fastest guy.
Speaker 1: But what he knows, he understands. He's smart, he plays
Speaker 1: in position, and he's got a physical side to his game.
Speaker 1: And you ask me, how does a guy make the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl not have a bunch of interceptions or one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: or one? And that's you know this If you watch
Speaker 1: how they play scheme wise here, how many passes do
Speaker 1: they knock down? They don't get a lot of clean
Speaker 1: looks at footballs. The way they play, I mean, the
Speaker 1: way they knock down. They're driving on balls, they're they're
Speaker 1: they're ripping balls loose, you know, I mean to me,
Speaker 1: the ball skills and stuff like that. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: big part of what you do. But with the way
Speaker 1: they play scheme wise, I don't think these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna get much in many interceptions. They're just not in
Speaker 1: position to get intercepts. There are more better, better positions
Speaker 1: to knock balls down. And Byron, I think, I think
Speaker 1: if if you, if you hold receivers that have played
Speaker 1: against Byron Jones. They'll tell you the guy's difficult to
Speaker 1: get rid of because you know what, what kind of
Speaker 1: penalties do is Byron Jones get. He generally gets holding penalties.
Speaker 1: He doesn't get pass in or Ferren's penalties. He's really
Speaker 1: good at sticking on guys, and officials have let him
Speaker 1: play a little bit and not let him play at times.
Speaker 1: He had a coup. He had a series there he
Speaker 1: was in Philadelphia where he had back to back penalties
Speaker 1: in a series that got him, you know, got him
Speaker 1: down the field. But Byron Jones is a tough He's
Speaker 1: like gum. He's like gum on your shoe. You're trying
Speaker 1: to get it off, and it won't it won't leave.
Speaker 1: And so I yeah, and I don't think he's ever
Speaker 1: gonna have the high interception numbers. But what what whoever
Speaker 1: made the decision to play him at corner might have
Speaker 1: made him a ton of money because if he doesn't
Speaker 1: get it here, someone's gonna say, well, look how he plays,
Speaker 1: Look how he plays. This guy's you know, this guy's tough,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's he's a good kid. You don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about him. He's smart, He comes to
Speaker 1: work every day, he practices hard. Yeah, pay that guy.
Speaker 1: He did whatever was asked of him for the first
Speaker 1: three years, which meant play a little corner, play a
Speaker 1: lot of safety. Yeah, he lines up and plays. He's played.
Speaker 1: Before the season, he had played in forty eight NFL games.
Speaker 1: He hadn't missed one yet. How many how many games
Speaker 1: we out now thirteen? Add that to it, fourteen games?
Speaker 1: Add that. Yeah, this guy lines up and plays. There's
Speaker 1: something to that. And you know, if Chris Rashard made
Speaker 1: the decision solely to say, oh no, he looks like
Speaker 1: a better corner, good for Chris Rashard because he put
Speaker 1: him in a category where people now are gonna have
Speaker 1: to look at him and say, that's our type of
Speaker 1: corner right there, you know. And the guy, I think
Speaker 1: it speaks to how well he's played because he doesn't
Speaker 1: have any stats. And normally when you start picking corners,
Speaker 1: you start looking at that list of interceptions and go, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's good. Okay, he's good. He ain't got an interception,
Speaker 1: and he made the Pro Bowl. Yeah he's got fourteen
Speaker 1: leads the team with fourteen passes broken up, but no interceptions.
Speaker 1: But somebody thinks he can play. You know he does
Speaker 1: what does he do? Your buddies, my buddy bro football
Speaker 1: Focus has been him. Well maybe that's why he made it.
Speaker 1: It helped him. They get helped him. The players picked
Speaker 1: up ro football Focus and how Hi, this guy's ready.
Speaker 1: They've played a lot of national games on TV. That's right.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if guys sit around like we
Speaker 1: do and watch football games, they probably don't probably sit
Speaker 1: around two other things. But you know, I mean the
Speaker 1: smart ones know. And like I said, if you if
Speaker 1: you did a poll with the receivers that have played
Speaker 1: against Byron Jones, who's one of the toughest guys you
Speaker 1: played against? I think Byron Jones we get mentioned a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and player voting is part of this thing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they know they know the guys who are good
Speaker 1: players because they have to go up against them. I
Speaker 1: wonder how rare it is to have a first year
Speaker 1: corner in the Pro Bowl, like a guy. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's you know, if there's a staff for
Speaker 1: a guy that switched positions and makes the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: his first year other than rookie corners. Um, but he's
Speaker 1: the first Cowboy corner to make it since Mike Jenkins
Speaker 1: and Terrence Newman back in oh nine, nine years since
Speaker 1: the Cowboys put a corner in. Yeah, you would have
Speaker 1: fooled me if Mike you said Mike Jenkins made a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl oh nine with with Terrence Yeah, that that
Speaker 1: that would have fooled me, Mickey, Would that have fooled you?
Speaker 1: Mike Jenkins? I don't remember Mike Jenkins oh nine season
Speaker 1: being all that spectacular. Did he have a bunch of interceptions?
Speaker 1: I believe he did. I can't remember. I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what I had for breakfast this morning. That's
Speaker 1: about as good as I can do. And I believe
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember which way it went. I apologize
Speaker 1: after the Cowboy he got um trying to think what
Speaker 1: I was trying to Yeah, he had a good season,
Speaker 1: some terrible radio. We're doing nineteen pass breakups right there?
Speaker 1: You go? Five interceptions? Right? That was oh nine? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So was that the year after he got punked when
Speaker 1: they brought in pac Man oh eight? Probably? Yeah? The
Speaker 1: pac Man was pac Man. Yeah, and he had a
Speaker 1: decent year before that, and he got punked because pac
Speaker 1: Man was here. He got punked by remember the whole
Speaker 1: thing with him when he came in and him and
Speaker 1: Scandrick same time, Right, that was a weird situation there.
Speaker 1: He felt like, wait a minute, you're playing this guy
Speaker 1: all right? You know this was the fifth round pick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: playing more early. Yeah yeah, and then he had the
Speaker 1: good year and then something happened the next year he
Speaker 1: got hurt knee, right, yeah, I believe so he's always
Speaker 1: had knee issues. He always that that you hurt. You
Speaker 1: get a defensive back with lower body injury and using
Speaker 1: a hockey term here, you always describe all their injuries
Speaker 1: as lower body. You get a lower body injury that
Speaker 1: there they make their living with their legs. They can't run,
Speaker 1: they can't move, the achilles has gone, calf strains with
Speaker 1: all that, you know, hamstring, just not the same guy,
Speaker 1: Mark b for false. Those guys are done absolutely no
Speaker 1: truth of the matter. And that one, you know. And
Speaker 1: and if you look at two of the guys that
Speaker 1: got selected at cornerback, Fuller and Howard from Miami, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they're tied for the league league each with the
Speaker 1: seven interceptions. Yeah, so they're in right, So yeah, that
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a great credit to the
Speaker 1: level he's played with. That's that's coaches vote and player
Speaker 1: vote right there. Yeah, that's what that's all about. And
Speaker 1: and but Calboy nation out there can line up for
Speaker 1: their guys. I mean, here's a fan vote. Were Norman
Speaker 1: made it? Who was the no? It was the AFC uh,
Speaker 1: it was the AFC corner was a name, I think,
Speaker 1: And it's like, Okay, I guess he's good because he
Speaker 1: made the Hey just hang with me. Jalen called Ramsey
Speaker 1: Ramsey oh in Jacksonville. Yeah, hadn't been the best year
Speaker 1: for him or the Jags or his mouth. Okay. On
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Speaker 1: us off. Jim in California. You're a first day I'm
Speaker 1: talking cowboys. What's up, Jim? Good morning, Rob? How are
Speaker 1: you do well? Are you well? If he called you Bob,
Speaker 1: that'd be okay. I was just wondering, where is Bob today?
Speaker 1: Bob's got TV duty? Okay. Hey, I've got a theory.
Speaker 1: I think the legs on athletes epps and flows. You
Speaker 1: peak and you have valleys, and I think Garrett's got
Speaker 1: his finger on the pulse of the team, and I
Speaker 1: think that he trained them such that he needs them
Speaker 1: to peak for the final run. I really do. I
Speaker 1: think when you miss tackles and you drop balls and
Speaker 1: you can't get off blocks, you can't sustain blocks, you
Speaker 1: can't do your run fits quickly is like you used to.
Speaker 1: I think it's because your legs are dead. And I
Speaker 1: think Garrett knew that. And I think that we're going
Speaker 1: to see a different explosive team in the next two
Speaker 1: weeks because I think they're going to recover their legs.
Speaker 1: And also, I was wondering your thoughts on Tampa. I
Speaker 1: take shows that they are just having fun. On defense,
Speaker 1: run to the ball, they're fast, Uh, they're good tacklers.
Speaker 1: In on offense, my impression and Brian's the guru, is
Speaker 1: that their offensive line is physical. They just want to
Speaker 1: pound you inside. Anyway, thanks for taking my call, guys,
Speaker 1: have a great day. Thanks. Jim Well, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't agree with him about the deadness of the team.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I don't. I don't agree with
Speaker 1: that at all. If anything, I think there probably were
Speaker 1: a little refreshed to be off of that crazy Thanksgiving schedule. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but probably helped them act. But as far as I know,
Speaker 1: I know, if you if he would have come out
Speaker 1: and said they just physically got beat up, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I felt like that they they just couldn't get
Speaker 1: off blocks. They couldn't. They couldn't, you know, they couldn't
Speaker 1: didn't tackle well enough. I don't think that was a
Speaker 1: byproduct of that of being dead. I think they just
Speaker 1: physically got beat up in this game. They didn't play
Speaker 1: their game. They didn't do this thing as well they've
Speaker 1: been they've been doing all your life. Yeah, No, they've
Speaker 1: been in the five game winning streak. They they've been
Speaker 1: playing with some physicality. They you know, I think there
Speaker 1: was a freshness had anything to do with that. I
Speaker 1: think they just it's just the Cults were a better team.
Speaker 1: I don't mean, I'm sorry, I don't mean to disagree there,
Speaker 1: but when I heard him say that, I was kind
Speaker 1: of like, going, ah, nah, nah, you'd watch them. You
Speaker 1: watch him play, you sit down and watch the all
Speaker 1: twenty we obviously he sits down and watches and stuff.
Speaker 1: By the way, the Tampa Bay defense, since they've made
Speaker 1: the switch with the coordinator Mike Smith getting fired, their
Speaker 1: oh and four and giving up a ton of points
Speaker 1: on the road and has not been their strength and
Speaker 1: their games they've given up at least thirty points. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they they've struggled with Mike's since they fired Mike Smith.
Speaker 1: You know. I mean, we could talk about the Saints
Speaker 1: game and so that's a division game. But I'm watching
Speaker 1: them play the Ravens and stuff. The Ravens are playing.
Speaker 1: I don't know how the Cowboys are going to evaluate
Speaker 1: the Ravens film to help them in this gaming list
Speaker 1: that helps them with Okay, how they're going to defend
Speaker 1: the read option because really that's all Lamar Jackson. That's
Speaker 1: all they ran. That was their offense. It was it
Speaker 1: was what it's like watching Louisville play, you know. So
Speaker 1: I don't know how I mean unless you say, okay,
Speaker 1: well this is this is how we evaluate him. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they they scored fourteen point watching
Speaker 1: the Saints game and they just they collapsed in the
Speaker 1: second half of that game. So yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: I I think there's a lot of really good names
Speaker 1: on that defensive line. Rob I like the fact, you know,
Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul is, like, I'm right about him as
Speaker 1: an old nemesist. Gerald McCoy is a good player. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's the same player he was back in
Speaker 1: the day. They got Vita Vea the defensive tackle from
Speaker 1: watching the rookie they got him in the lineup. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is a hard guy to move because he's so
Speaker 1: damn big. You know, that's a problem. This Carl Nasst
Speaker 1: the defensive end, He's got a little bit of that
Speaker 1: that like he would be one of those guys you
Speaker 1: would see when they faced the Redskins. You have to
Speaker 1: do with Preston Smith, Ryan Carrigan that kind of that
Speaker 1: try hard, relentless, keep coming after you. Guy. Probably not
Speaker 1: the most talent. I don't know if he's as talented
Speaker 1: as those guys that just mentioned, but he's but he's
Speaker 1: got some you know, he's gonna give He's gonna give
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins a test. If Lyle Collins doesn't play with technique,
Speaker 1: you know, this guy is gonna give you a little
Speaker 1: bit of problem. Right. I like their I like their
Speaker 1: safety Jordan Whitehead, who they got from Pitt in the
Speaker 1: fourth round. He's a guy you got to kind of
Speaker 1: keep an eye on because what he'll do is he
Speaker 1: could cover your tight end. He can cover your tight end,
Speaker 1: he could play physical around the line of scrimmage. But
Speaker 1: other than that, you know, I'm you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of looking at their team like, Okay, you should
Speaker 1: be able to move the ball against good people have Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think especially in zone coverage, these guys are terrible
Speaker 1: when they play his zone. They took Vita Vea in
Speaker 1: the first round, thirteenth overall. I believe ant twine Woods
Speaker 1: got seven more tackles than he does. Well, he's missed games.
Speaker 1: He's missed a lot of games. They just got him back.
Speaker 1: He hasn't played how many games. I'm almost positive he's
Speaker 1: missed like four games for them. There was a problem
Speaker 1: there with him. He was he was he was nicked up.
Speaker 1: Total number of games looking it up right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, having trouble with my else. But you know,
Speaker 1: to me this going back to Jim's calls played, he's
Speaker 1: played eleven games six Yeah, yeah, so I hadn't played
Speaker 1: as much. That's okay, But I mean, hey, they're two
Speaker 1: big men inside though. Yeah, they make plays. The strength
Speaker 1: of this Tampa Bay team, what we've seen so far
Speaker 1: this season is their offense and and not and you
Speaker 1: talk about moving the ball, They've moved the ball. Oh
Speaker 1: that's matter. It's been in a quarterback, right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the Cowboys offense. It's been about finishing drives.
Speaker 1: And I think they were the only team in NFL
Speaker 1: history a few weeks back against Washington to get five
Speaker 1: hundred yards of offense three points. Yeah, no touch. I
Speaker 1: think the six sixteen to three, sixteen three, sixteen three.
Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, you know. I'll tell you another thing. Guys,
Speaker 1: they've had problems catching the ball. Yeah, they we see
Speaker 1: Chris Goodwin. Who are Chris Godwin from Penn State who
Speaker 1: I really really liked in the draft in seventeen from
Speaker 1: he This is a team I mean it drops. I
Speaker 1: mean I'm watching these games and it's like, guys open
Speaker 1: over the middle, drop, guy open over here at drop.
Speaker 1: You know they've had they you know, I'm hey, I'm
Speaker 1: just hoping that they continue to drop football. So the
Speaker 1: way they have, they're gonna probably get to Sean Jackson back,
Speaker 1: though that's gonna be a pain in the rear to
Speaker 1: have to deal with. They got this little kid named
Speaker 1: Adam Humphreys who's kind of a Cole Beastly starter kit.
Speaker 1: He's been in the league since fifteen, but he's one
Speaker 1: of those guys that plays in the slot, kind of
Speaker 1: a pesky guy. You throw them the ball underneath. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have a really high yards per catch, but he's
Speaker 1: really consistent catching the football that way. Now again, the
Speaker 1: other ones have had some prompt Mike Evans is a
Speaker 1: big time player. He's a problem. Yeah, he is a
Speaker 1: big problem because what will happen is Jamis Linson will
Speaker 1: just throw the ball down the field. He doesn't care.
Speaker 1: I mean, he would just launch it down the field
Speaker 1: and think, Okay, that guy's gonna go get it. You know.
Speaker 1: I went to a couple of Texas A and m
Speaker 1: Aggie games where Johnny Manziel it was that's all I did.
Speaker 1: It was the same thing Alabama game when one time
Speaker 1: we just launched it down the sideline and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: go make a play. I think he had like two
Speaker 1: hundred something three hundred ye insane. Yeah, and the same
Speaker 1: thing here just because he can go get it, can't
Speaker 1: They'll also get the ball to the other team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's big for them too. Thirty one giveaway. Yeah, twenty
Speaker 1: five of those interceptions. Yeah, most in the league. And
Speaker 1: they had the second worst ratio in turnover turnover margin,
Speaker 1: just in front of San Francisco because they don't really
Speaker 1: take it away that much. I don't think they're tied
Speaker 1: with Dallas and takeaways yeah, sixteen. Well that's that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the difference between winning and losing. That's probably the
Speaker 1: biggest stat there is, five and nine. But they're not
Speaker 1: a bad football team. I will say it's about John
Speaker 1: John Wright was a call, right, Jim, Jim, Sorry Jim,
Speaker 1: it might have been Bob. Who knows Jim I'm sorry
Speaker 1: about that. No, he's right about the soffitsive line though
Speaker 1: that you know, they're just trying to kind of they're
Speaker 1: kind of a molly group, and molly like you know,
Speaker 1: they get into and they're they're really not gonna get
Speaker 1: much movement, but they try and get into you. And
Speaker 1: and movie, if you can't, you don't. You don't see
Speaker 1: them really coming off the ball the best one. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's hard to beat the lines that you've played with,
Speaker 1: with what Indianapolis had, with what the Saints had, what
Speaker 1: Philadelphia has had to a point too as well. But
Speaker 1: this group, you know, this group is one of those
Speaker 1: they'll try and get into you. I think if you
Speaker 1: if you want to go after somebody. The tackles look
Speaker 1: a little heavy footed to me. Donovan Smith at left
Speaker 1: tackle and DeMar Dotson at right tackle though they look
Speaker 1: a little heavy footed to me. Ali Marpett who plays
Speaker 1: guard for them, you're talking about a guy who probably
Speaker 1: got snubbed. He's a good player, Ali Marpett is. He's
Speaker 1: a small school guy, small school Hobart College. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: watched the film. Yet they have a bounce house in
Speaker 1: the in the end zone, like the kids are in
Speaker 1: the bounce house playing while the game's going on. It's awesome. Different,
Speaker 1: it's different, but think it works for them. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a it's a group that
Speaker 1: it's there's nothing really pretty about him. But i'll tell
Speaker 1: you what though. They just get ready for Jamis Wins
Speaker 1: to throw the ball down the field and hope for
Speaker 1: the best. That's kind of how they play Evans. But
Speaker 1: pressure on them, you know, two of them. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: hope you hope he does. That would be a great
Speaker 1: thing to got to catch it. How about get two
Speaker 1: and finish two, you know, instead of get too and
Speaker 1: kick field goal too or don't get dragged down at
Speaker 1: the four yard? Yeah, that's a goal at the four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a bad sequence for the Dallas Cowboys first
Speaker 1: and goal of the four. It is. We've talked about
Speaker 1: that offensive line issues there that really don't trust them
Speaker 1: that much. Yeah, it's kind of a problem. What, Mick,
Speaker 1: what else has to happen in this game besides red zone?
Speaker 1: Because I think we I like this, I like the
Speaker 1: line questioning here. I like this. We got after that
Speaker 1: horse pretty good. Yesterday. I wrote about it yesterday again
Speaker 1: what besides that? What else has got to change from
Speaker 1: the indie game to this game to get back on
Speaker 1: track offensively defensively? A really good question like that one. Well,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin needs to play. Yeah, that would count that,
Speaker 1: that counts sh right there? Yeah, start right there? Uh,
Speaker 1: Sealfulo needs to play. Yeah, I'm not sure about him, right.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna play, you do I think they
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna play on Sunday. Is he gonna
Speaker 1: borrow the Buccaneer patch? That would be great, Bruce, the
Speaker 1: Buccaneer Bucks patch on. I don't think you can play
Speaker 1: with one eye. He had suns even the stadium. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you this. I'll tell you a real quick story.
Speaker 1: It was a guy named Bob Whitfield that played left
Speaker 1: tackle for the Atlanta Falcons eighth overall pick nineteen ninety draft.
Speaker 1: Had one eye, played left tackle with one eye he
Speaker 1: had he was blind, legally blind in one of his eyes,
Speaker 1: and played left tackle for a long time for the
Speaker 1: Falcons because we were gonna draft mcgreen Bay and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden the medical stuff came back about
Speaker 1: the eye is legally blind and his his left eye
Speaker 1: there there was a Dallas Desperado that was had one eye. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I think it was Josh White. You remember that nick
Speaker 1: he had he had an accident as a child with
Speaker 1: a toy. Oh yeah, and good good player for the Desperadoes,
Speaker 1: by the way, indoor team you know the uh the
Speaker 1: Cardinals back in the Saint Louis Cardinal days, yes or
Speaker 1: not the Chicago Cardinal late seventies. I believe it was
Speaker 1: Pat Chilly. They had a defensive lineman who was deaf,
Speaker 1: legally deaf. Yeah, Nebraska had a guy Denver drafted a guy.
Speaker 1: Can't remember his name, remember the guy's name? And he
Speaker 1: actually he made the team. Yeah, he actually made the
Speaker 1: team as a defensive tackle. I took you off the
Speaker 1: path there. That's thankfully Spilo's injury is not that serious.
Speaker 1: So to give you a more tangible answer, they need
Speaker 1: to get back to making on offense, a big play.
Speaker 1: Can't always drive eighty five yards for a touchdown. At
Speaker 1: some points you need a forty yard or you know what.
Speaker 1: In these last couple of game game, you know, Zeke's
Speaker 1: ran the ball well and he's been like one tackle
Speaker 1: away from going the distance from wherever he's at twenty
Speaker 1: four yard run, gets caught on the cliff of the hills,
Speaker 1: just got you know, he's he's break. You can see
Speaker 1: it opening, and it's like, oh, this is gonna be big,
Speaker 1: and then something happens and he just gets derailed right
Speaker 1: at the last minute. They need one of they need
Speaker 1: him to bust one of those and they need to
Speaker 1: hit one of those deep passes to At some point,
Speaker 1: you gotta get some easy stuff. You can't just keep
Speaker 1: grinding and grinding and grinding, you know, and and like
Speaker 1: you know, Jason pointed out those first three drives, it
Speaker 1: was like eighty yards, sixty some yards, fifty some yards
Speaker 1: points and no points. But you're grinding and grinding and grinding,
Speaker 1: and then you get a hold. It's like, okay, there
Speaker 1: it goes, and now I got to kick a field.
Speaker 1: The longest pass play in that game was Blake Jarwin
Speaker 1: eighteen yards. Yea. And Amari Cooper has been that guy
Speaker 1: for them. Yeah, he's been the big out guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He had an eleven yard run on the reverse Amari
Speaker 1: did which was very close to being broken. That was
Speaker 1: another YEA take. If Connor Williams would have just kind
Speaker 1: of cut his guy a little bit more. That was
Speaker 1: a big play, but his long reception was eleven yards.
Speaker 1: What do you think they did against him in that game?
Speaker 1: We were talking about that last night on the Happy Hour.
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything normally. I mean they played single
Speaker 1: high year on the quarterback pression. The quarterback was huge,
Speaker 1: and it didn't give him any opportunity to go to
Speaker 1: him like he had been. You know that that extra
Speaker 1: second mark. Still he gets open, but I didn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like, Okay, there's this massive bracketing going on right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, they played their defense. There's Bill Jones just
Speaker 1: walking back. I don't think he's stopping in. He's not.
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Speaker 1: a change this week from the indie game? Maybe besides
Speaker 1: red zone stuff? What do they got to do different
Speaker 1: to get back on track? How about some offensive rhythm? Okay,
Speaker 1: you know Micky was talking about the big play and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I think part of the big plays
Speaker 1: come when your team's running the ball. That's the one
Speaker 1: thing I think they're in just five game winning streak
Speaker 1: we've seen from them, the ability to run the ball
Speaker 1: past the ball, you know, keep keep it going. Big play.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think when you have rhythm with your offense,
Speaker 1: you make those big plays. You make the plays down
Speaker 1: the field to Amari Cooper, you make the plays you know,
Speaker 1: on the waggles and you throw it to you throw
Speaker 1: it to one of the tight ends for you know,
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen yards. You know, you get Zeke going. I
Speaker 1: think they need to. I think they need to get
Speaker 1: some rhythm going that way. They can move the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just no question they can move the ball.
Speaker 1: We get down in the red zone and then Okay,
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of issues, but get back, I don't
Speaker 1: think they got in good enough rhythm in the Colts game.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that was something that kind of
Speaker 1: affected the way that they play. They didn't make those
Speaker 1: plays like Mickey was talking about, those chunk plays are great.
Speaker 1: I mean it's just you know, driving the ball, grinding
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, that's tough, but you know, get a
Speaker 1: little bit of Really we've seen them, we've seen them,
Speaker 1: have you know, capabilities, I say, thirteen plays, ten plays
Speaker 1: and all that, but you're right, just getting a little
Speaker 1: bit more, a little bit more rhythm, get the quarterback
Speaker 1: feeling a little better about himself, protect him a little
Speaker 1: bit better. You know. I don't think the issues defensively
Speaker 1: or anything to be worried about. I mean, I want
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, I wanted to come out here
Speaker 1: and say, oh jeez, I was worried about the Colts
Speaker 1: running the ball against someone else is gonna try. I
Speaker 1: think that's just a product of the Colts offensive line.
Speaker 1: I think they physically, like we've said a bunch, I
Speaker 1: think they physically took it to Dallas's front. And I
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna play many more offensive lines that
Speaker 1: play with that style, you know. I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think if you rematch, if you rematch the Saints again,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe so, But I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're gonna play a line that that has that kind
Speaker 1: of capability to take it to him like they did.
Speaker 1: If I got to pick something on the defensive side,
Speaker 1: I would say they got to get back to stop
Speaker 1: in the run. That was the most that was to me.
Speaker 1: It was the difference in the football game. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: they were able to do and just keep Luck comfortable
Speaker 1: in the pocket, him in comfortable down in distant situations.
Speaker 1: You look at Tampa Bay's rushing attack, it's not a
Speaker 1: highly productive one, right. They like to throw the ball
Speaker 1: a lot. Anyway, Peyton Barber is not a bad player
Speaker 1: for them. He's not not at all. He's only getting
Speaker 1: three point eight yards to carry this season, though He'll
Speaker 1: see sneaky in the way that he gets yards. That's
Speaker 1: what I will say about him. And jakez Rogers is
Speaker 1: kind of their third down guy, and so what will
Speaker 1: happen is they'll bring him in now where you need
Speaker 1: to take advantage of Jakez Rogers. Drew's real quick rob
Speaker 1: if I good. Since you're talking running backs, sure take
Speaker 1: advantage of him and in past situations if he's in
Speaker 1: the game, make him have to block you because that's
Speaker 1: a problem for him. And this is maybe where you
Speaker 1: get your you get your defense going back with more
Speaker 1: pressure because I'm gonna make him half the blitz pick
Speaker 1: up because I don't think he can not with any consistency.
Speaker 1: So to me, go after him if you can. But
Speaker 1: they're back, you know, Payton, I can say Peyton Barber
Speaker 1: look kind of a nieky guy the way he runs
Speaker 1: the football. But yeah, I'm not just worried about the defense.
Speaker 1: I think the defense just I think it was a
Speaker 1: bad day at the office for them. Yeah, because the
Speaker 1: Colts the offense. I just like I said, I need
Speaker 1: the offense to get some rhythm here, get some rhythm,
Speaker 1: finish some drives, put up some points. Make the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay team quit, you know, don't let them stay in
Speaker 1: this game and feel like they have a chance. Don't
Speaker 1: do that. You know, here's an indication of them driving
Speaker 1: the football. They had fifth seventeen plays either third or
Speaker 1: fourth down. Yeah, so that means first and second down.
Speaker 1: You're not getting that many, right, that many first downs. Now,
Speaker 1: they had nineteen first downs, so they were moving the ball,
Speaker 1: but seventeen times it was third or fourth down trying
Speaker 1: to convert, so that you know, and a lot of
Speaker 1: that probably is because of the penalties. Can't have that
Speaker 1: many holding penalties, Yeah, regardless if they're good calls or
Speaker 1: bad calls. And a bunch of them were bad calls.
Speaker 1: But where I should say, at least questions questionable calls. Yeah, yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: you know it's almost gotten to the point now where
Speaker 1: they don't want Tyrann Smith locking somebody up in space
Speaker 1: well on the line of scrimmage that one. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it depends on where your hand placement is with the
Speaker 1: shoulder pads and then it depends if this happens. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that too, sure, Mickey showing the European flopping soccer mana
Speaker 1: ah for those football players ought to be ashamed of
Speaker 1: doing that gets penalties, which is crazy. But no, I
Speaker 1: just don't. I'm not. My concerns just not defensively. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they'll be. I think they'll I think they'll
Speaker 1: be on the screws for this one as much as
Speaker 1: is it just we've kind of talked about it as positive.
Speaker 1: I know there's some people out there on Twitter that
Speaker 1: are going nuts right now because we're talking positively about
Speaker 1: a five and nine team. Well, but but they still
Speaker 1: have the capability of moving the football. And if all
Speaker 1: you need is an indication of what happened last week
Speaker 1: in NFL with San Francisco and you know, beat in Seattle,
Speaker 1: and you know that's all you need. Carolina hanging on
Speaker 1: to the last seconds. Yeah, Hey, this five and nineteen
Speaker 1: beat New Orleans and the opener. Now I get it
Speaker 1: was the opener. Get that Jamis beat Philadelphia too, and
Speaker 1: they took Philadelphia. They took Pittsburgh to the wire in
Speaker 1: Week three. Yea, all with Fitz Magic at quarterback. But
Speaker 1: that I'll take my chances. If they give up forty
Speaker 1: points to the Cowboys there, that's fair. Cowboys will win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean fans were unsettled by this loss, not
Speaker 1: just because of the defense. Like you said, it's bad
Speaker 1: day at the office. Offensively, we've seen some of these
Speaker 1: same things, same things. Yeah, you'd like to be at
Speaker 1: a better rhythm, like you said, better job finishing drives
Speaker 1: as you finish out the season. You want to be
Speaker 1: peaking as you get there. And they've still got a
Speaker 1: couple of games to get there. Now they've got they've
Speaker 1: got to get one. You've got possibly go anyway, this
Speaker 1: is the one you gotta take. You've got to You've
Speaker 1: got to play this game like it like you're not
Speaker 1: gonna have it tomorrow if you lose. And I know
Speaker 1: that's the wrong way to probably think about things, because
Speaker 1: you do have an opportunity to lose, to beat the Giants.
Speaker 1: I just don't think this football team wants to go
Speaker 1: and have to Mickey said it yesterday. I don't think
Speaker 1: this team wants to have to go to New York
Speaker 1: and listen to us all week talk about and maybe
Speaker 1: we won't talk about maybe like how much pressure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, to go and win a game at New
Speaker 1: York in a divisional game and have to deal with
Speaker 1: conditions that you really don't know and you know there's
Speaker 1: so many unknowns. The known fact this week is you're
Speaker 1: playing a team that's worse than you, You're playing at home.
Speaker 1: You should try and find a way to finish these guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you couldn't finish off the Colts, but you can finish
Speaker 1: these guys off. This is a team you need to
Speaker 1: finish off, and as I said, now, all they'll hear
Speaker 1: if they don't win this one is how they lost
Speaker 1: the last game twenty eleven and twenty twelve and twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: It'll come up. I'll guarantee you though, you'll hear the
Speaker 1: romo clip. First question, why do you prevent that from happening? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm getting tea in the break room right before
Speaker 1: the show. Brian walks in behind me and today, Yeah,
Speaker 1: on TV this Morning, First Takes Graphics says, do the
Speaker 1: Cowboys lack mental toughness? Now, I'm shocked that a stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smiths show would have that, because, yes, it's so objective
Speaker 1: when it comes to the Dallas Cowboys. But that's you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that this is good for them be doubted a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, And I don't buy that, by
Speaker 1: the way, I don't think they're I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't think you lack mental toughness. If you go and
Speaker 1: win five straight games, which season's on the brink, That's
Speaker 1: where I'm going. You're three and five, and if you
Speaker 1: didn't have mental toughness to bring this thing back, yeah,
Speaker 1: you were mailing it in. That's the one thing I
Speaker 1: give Jason Garrett credit for is that. Hell, he preaches
Speaker 1: the right things, you know. I mean they were three
Speaker 1: and five and dead in the water. Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: dead and to come back and win five straight games
Speaker 1: to have a chance to win the division. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's mental toughness. So that's that's just radio talk. I mean,
Speaker 1: we know Steve and a his thing with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: It's a bit funny. It's fine, but shouldn't even use
Speaker 1: his name. Well, maybe, you know, putting that chip back
Speaker 1: on your shoulder a little bit this week, maybe that'll
Speaker 1: be good for him. Maybe maybe that's, you know, a
Speaker 1: little extra motivation. It's all you need. I don't think
Speaker 1: you need any more motivation than being shut out, though,
Speaker 1: I think I think guys were pissed off. Yea. Zeke
Speaker 1: said it was embarrassing. Yeah, I mean this is a
Speaker 1: prideful group. It's a young group that's learning how to
Speaker 1: be maybe learning how to be consistent. But they play
Speaker 1: hard and I just don't expect that to happen again,
Speaker 1: I really don't. Um, we'll see what happens, though, He's
Speaker 1: still got to execute on both sides of the ball
Speaker 1: to be able to win. Let's grab another phone call
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, Steve and Mississippi. You're
Speaker 1: up next on Talking Cowboys. What's up Steve? Hell you?
Speaker 1: What's up? Guys? How are y'all actually? Thank you? Hey? Uh?
Speaker 1: Just kind a couple of questions really around the offense
Speaker 1: both before I got to that. I just I want
Speaker 1: to thank all of you all your job you guys
Speaker 1: do man. I can't appreciate it more as as a
Speaker 1: Cowboys fan. U. The content on the web is just amazing.
Speaker 1: And Brian, your analysis is spot on. Good work. Um.
Speaker 1: The question I had around is uh, um cavon Austin,
Speaker 1: if uh, if we have him healthy back this week,
Speaker 1: if you guys see him being a little bit more
Speaker 1: part of this offense in terms of, you know, keeping
Speaker 1: the ball moving, changing some things up. And Brian, I
Speaker 1: agree with you on the waggles. To me, I think
Speaker 1: that's where Dak is at his best, getting him rolling
Speaker 1: out in the pocket, um, you know, just giving him.
Speaker 1: I think time to sit in the pocket has been
Speaker 1: an issue for us and and and him that mental clock.
Speaker 1: I guess that was my next question around is that
Speaker 1: is that a coachable thing where you know I'd like
Speaker 1: to see him just tuck the ball and run when
Speaker 1: that pocket starts to collapse. You know, you just you
Speaker 1: just you'd like to see him take off. I know
Speaker 1: there's some holes out there and some big, big lanes
Speaker 1: you run in lood like you get your comments on that,
Speaker 1: and guys, I appreciate your show. Thanks a lot, Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thanks Steve. Well do you see big lanes, Mickey? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't see that's been the problem. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Dak wants to run if he can, and
Speaker 1: some of the problems they've had in the pockets him
Speaker 1: with the middle of the pocket when things start to collapse.
Speaker 1: If things are always coming from the edge, and he
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to step up and go to his
Speaker 1: left or go to his right, I would agree with
Speaker 1: my friend from Mississippi, the honorable gentleman there. But I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see it. A lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: operating now. I will say this. On third and one
Speaker 1: the other day, he took a shot down the field,
Speaker 1: overthrew Amari Cooper, who was wide open going to his left,
Speaker 1: and usually Dak thro one who was left doesn't miss
Speaker 1: that much. He could have run the football there and
Speaker 1: got the first down. And fought for another day. You know,
Speaker 1: got a fresh set of downs and here we go.
Speaker 1: So I don't think there's a lot of opportunity to
Speaker 1: run because I think the middle of the pockets where
Speaker 1: he could run through. He saw him with the Saints,
Speaker 1: so him in that game run through the middle of
Speaker 1: the pocket, had some opportunities. But boy, a lot of
Speaker 1: their sacks have happened in the middle of the pocket.
Speaker 1: That's that's been a big, big problem. And the Colts
Speaker 1: had some pretty well timed blitzes. Oh they did a
Speaker 1: great job. And it's really hard when that guy's coming
Speaker 1: off the edge. Yeah, you're gonna pull the thing down
Speaker 1: and run. Well, you you only got the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so it's not as easy as everybody thinks, oh
Speaker 1: just run. Yeah. Well, early in the game he was
Speaker 1: able to dump it off to Zeke, Dalton Schultz, those
Speaker 1: guys well, and you know what, somebody somebody asked, but
Speaker 1: what happened with Cooper? Right, Why I didn't write the
Speaker 1: ball to him? Right? There was a lot of dump
Speaker 1: offs to Zeke in that Yeah, that tells me the
Speaker 1: linebackers were dropping dropping quick, and they were saying, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll give you the underneath stuff. But you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get us for sixty yards on one play. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna throw it over the linebacker's head, then my safety.
Speaker 1: And they started off the game. They may have changed
Speaker 1: and I saw him go single safety high, but early
Speaker 1: it was too safety to see. They were playing double
Speaker 1: safeties deep, and so you were going to have a
Speaker 1: hard time getting the ball down the field. They were
Speaker 1: gonna make you drive the football and count on that.
Speaker 1: If you're going to drive the ball for twelve plays
Speaker 1: for eighty yards on the eleventh play, you were going
Speaker 1: to screw up. It's almost like their defensive coordinator used
Speaker 1: to coach here, Yeah, very similar. Well, he challenged Mickey's right.
Speaker 1: He challenged them to drive the football, and they couldn't
Speaker 1: without making a mistake, Yeah, a holding or something like
Speaker 1: And you know who knows, Tampa may and may say no,
Speaker 1: that's not the way we play. This is the way
Speaker 1: we do well. If they play zone coverage, they'll get
Speaker 1: killed in this game, because that's the one thing when
Speaker 1: you watch them play zone in their secondary, that's where
Speaker 1: they give it plays big place. They lose coverage a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, they get confused on who's going where teams
Speaker 1: have been able to put complete passes on them down
Speaker 1: the field. That way back to practice today, What do
Speaker 1: you expect the injury report to look like before we
Speaker 1: get out of here? A lot of questionables. I think
Speaker 1: Zach could go this week or you think he may
Speaker 1: try to play without practicing. I think needs anything. Play
Speaker 1: without practice might be the best thing if he's ready
Speaker 1: to go. I mean, he's got to sprain to MCL. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know what degree it is, but it was
Speaker 1: to the degree that their a brace and he couldn't play.
Speaker 1: And normally it's two to four weeks of rest. It's
Speaker 1: not two to four weeks playing with a brace on
Speaker 1: your knee because that ain't getting in any healthier. And
Speaker 1: the only way the MCL gets better is rest every year.
Speaker 1: And this is the most hard earned Pro Bowl he's had, yes,
Speaker 1: and and you know it's rest. The medial collateral or
Speaker 1: ligament kind of regenerates itself that you can use all
Speaker 1: the therapy you know, rehab you want, but mother nature
Speaker 1: has to run its course. So yeah, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know that he's I'm saying he doesn't practice. I'm
Speaker 1: saying Tavon's going to be limited, Sean Lee will be limited,
Speaker 1: Sue a Fee will be limited. Um, who else is hurt?
Speaker 1: Is that it? David Irving? David Irving. We just like
Speaker 1: to see them more so than out there with with
Speaker 1: one of the strength and conditioning coaches jogging. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just like I said, Mickey's right about Zack Martin. But
Speaker 1: I think Zack Martin also understands that he was on
Speaker 1: that sideline the other day and he realizes what's you
Speaker 1: know we talked about players don't don't realize what's going on. No,
Speaker 1: they realize what's going on. They do not want to
Speaker 1: go to New York and have to play a game
Speaker 1: to get in the playoffs. They know they have to
Speaker 1: do whatever they have to do to get in right now.
Speaker 1: I don't say sacrifice Zack Martin, but I think Zack Martin,
Speaker 1: if he can, if he could buckle it up and go.
Speaker 1: You know, now, it might be against the trainer's best wishes,
Speaker 1: but they're not gonna put hurt players out there, and
Speaker 1: trust me, they're not going to do that. But you
Speaker 1: know he's probably gonna look at them and say, now,
Speaker 1: I gotta play this one today, guys. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's I think that's where we're at. I think
Speaker 1: that's right. Think there's a lot of guys out there
Speaker 1: that are having to say. I think with Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: to the caller's question about him as well, I think
Speaker 1: you need to get him involved here soon if you can,
Speaker 1: with returning punts and stuff, get him incorporated back in
Speaker 1: the offense. Maybe that's Mickey's way of getting some boi
Speaker 1: those big plays down the field. You got Cooper, you
Speaker 1: got him, jet sweeps, screens, whatever you have to do
Speaker 1: to let for punt returns. Gotta flip the field a
Speaker 1: little bit here, just not getting anything out of that
Speaker 1: punt return. All right, fellas, everybody, thanks for joining us,
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