1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Will he love basketball, golf, soccer or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport. There is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: Duel More Ways to Win. Drew Brees retired. Drew Brees 6 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: should be a model and an example for people that 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: aren't superstars, which is, you know all of us. Drew 8 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: Brees had to go to Purdue, Drew Brees with a 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: little short schools in Texas didn't scholarship him. Then he 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: goes to San Diego and gets hurt the Miami doctor 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: and Nick Saban said no thanks. He goes to the 12 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: decades of losing Saints and finally he gets his Kingmaker. 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: And this is something I've told people my entire life. 14 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: I've never met thirty years of broadcasting somebody with two 15 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: traits that wasn't a big success. One is talent and 16 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: two is wilfulness. Drew Brees lots of turbulence, major injury, 17 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: losing franchise, eventually dealt with the turbulence of Katrina in 18 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: New Orleans. But in the end, grinding head down, you 19 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: will find your kingmaker. You will because everybody is seeking talent. 20 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: And then Drew Brees also aged the way you're supposed to. 21 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: He was good, then he lost his fastball, couldn't throw deep, 22 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: then he needed multiple games off to finish strong, and 23 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: then he sort of looked tired. That's when you should retire, 24 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: and it's when Drew Brees retired. But he's the classic 25 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: prototype four overlooked injuries, bad franchise. But if you're talented 26 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: and will full, you will find a kingmaker. You will. 27 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: Everybody eventually does if you put in the work and 28 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: you stay aspirational. All right. Doug Gottlieb's coming on the 29 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: show perfect guest for the selection show on Sunday. He 30 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: made the tournament three times Elite eight with Oklahoma State 31 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: in two thousand. Knows as many people as connected as 32 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: anybody I've ever met in the sport, Doug Gottlieb. The 33 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: Doug are now joining us. So, Doug, if I said 34 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: Gonzaga and one other team or the field, you could 35 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: pick the team, or maybe Gonzaga and two teams and 36 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: the field, because we all know favorites tend to do 37 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: pretty well. Nine of the last twelve title holders or 38 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: one seeds Gonzaga, And who would you take over the 39 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: field one or two teams? Well, first, I've been doing 40 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: the goodzag or the field since the season began. I 41 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: do think they they have that much talent and they're 42 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: that good, and you know, there's it's interesting. You know, 43 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: you'll get people go, well, they never win the tournament. 44 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: Like they're actually the only team to play in the 45 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: last five Sweet sixteen or beyonds. They played a national 46 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: championship game and you know, lost by a possession. So 47 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: I do think they're rightfully the prohibitive favorite. They're fantastic. 48 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: If I had to pick two other teams, I would 49 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: be a favorite. I would say Illinois, who I just 50 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: saw one the Big Ten championship in overtime, and I 51 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: mean Baylor. Those are the three best teams most of 52 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: the year. You know, the Michigan Michigan has been very, 53 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: very good. But first Illinois Molly wanted them and did 54 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: it without their best player in Ann Arbor, and then 55 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: they lost Isaiah Livers, who's like their power forward, who's 56 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: likely I can play in the tournament because he's got 57 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: a broken foot. So yeah, I would say Gonzaga, Illinois, 58 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: and Valor. You know, it's interesting Kentucky didn't make the tournament, 59 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: nor did Duke. But I want to talk about Calipari 60 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: for a second. I've always had this theory that I 61 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't mind one and duns. I wouldn't mind a rim 62 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: protector for a year, a great wing score for a year. 63 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: I would struggle to have point guards change every year. 64 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: It's like I like The Avengers with Robert Downey instead 65 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: of the Batman model, which is a new Batman every movie. 66 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: Quarterbacks and point guards are really the heart and soul 67 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: of my team. I would rather take a guy slightly 68 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: less talented than I get a retain every two or 69 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: three years. But I do get the one in one model, 70 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: like I get it. You know, I'm not great players 71 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: or great players. When you look at Kentucky, do you 72 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: say underachieving or this was just a year that with COVID, 73 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: that one and done thing wasn't going to work. I 74 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: definitely think they underachieved. But I think, you know, part 75 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: of it is they also don't have all young players, 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: so they have like Dave beyond Mints the transfer, he's 77 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: a combo guard create so he's older. But then they 78 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: have Devin asked you who's a transfer from Who's who 79 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: could have been a high school senior at modern date 80 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: this year, right, so you know they were young at 81 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: a really bad position. It didn't shoot it particularly well. 82 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: I didn't he Here's the big thing with Kentucky and 83 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: with Duke North, Carolina is kind of already adjusted to this. 84 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: But this is the reality of college basketball where it 85 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: is you're now gonna lose five kids a year to 86 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: professional basketball, right, whether it's the G League select or 87 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: somebody who just wants to work out with a trainer, 88 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: or somebody who wants to go to Australia or whatever. 89 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: Minimum five. Now, that doesn't mean you're gonna lose the 90 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: best five, but you'll lose five of the top fifteen. Okay. 91 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: So okay, so you lose five guys to the pros, 92 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: you lose three to college. So now everybody else is 93 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: left fighting over a little bit of a second tier prospect, 94 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: second tier elite prospect. It sounds like a it sounds 95 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: like an oxymoron, but you know the reality of them 96 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: with college football, which is like, look the best guys. 97 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: It's like in the it's like in the NFL Draft. 98 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: There's Trevor Lawrence, who's like a perfect prospect, and then 99 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: there's the other guys where hey man, it can be 100 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: a little bit hit or miss. You don't actually know 101 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: what you're getting. And it doesn't mean that those guys 102 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: aren't it. It just means that you know, it's it's 103 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: really hard to tell. So that's really what happened to 104 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: Kentucky and the Duke Kansas same thing. None of them 105 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: have the elite Kentucky has one of the elite level recruits, 106 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: actually two of them. They're just not that good at 107 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: the point and they're not great. And yes, I understand 108 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: position wise you love a point guard. I also think 109 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: it's just hard to do team building when you're taking 110 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: pieces from other teams, you're having, you know, two players 111 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: play at a higher level. I think it's a it's 112 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: a mess, and it's gonna really change how we look 113 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: at college basketball programs. The teams that are the best 114 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: teams for the most part, they have a high recip 115 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: of his rate. Right, they got dudes that came back 116 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: and that in basketball we say get old and stayed. 117 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: And that couldn't be any more obvious than the dominance 118 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: of the Big Ten. The Big Ten has has the 119 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: oldest players. Yeah, and that's why. Yeah, Doug Gottlieb, Collin 120 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: Cooward Podcast Selection Sunday. So, I think it's pretty interesting 121 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: that Rick Pattino got in and Louisville didn't. You've been 122 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: telling me for years. Patino is the best college basketball 123 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: coach you've ever seen. For the layman, for somebody that 124 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: likes college basketball or likes basketball, but you know, doesn't 125 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: want to break down inbounds plays. What separates him, what 126 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: separates him from other good coaches? Okay, well, when I 127 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: say that, it's a little bit loaded in I think 128 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: he was ahead of so many trends in basketball. Okay, 129 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: what's taken over the NBA college basketball? The three point shot? 130 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: Who is the who is the first guy at a 131 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: high level to truly embrace the three point shot? Rick Pettino. Okay, 132 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: when he went to Providence the second year they went 133 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: to the NBA did the same thing. I remember, it 134 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: was it was success for the most part. With the Knicks. 135 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: They just tried to press and he couldn't press. So 136 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: he embraced the three point shot before everybody else. When 137 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: he was the way, the way he recruited at Kentucky 138 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: was a little bit ahead of the curve. And when 139 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: he left Tubby Smith, another national championship, unbelievable recruiter and 140 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: builder of elite talent and also a guy who was 141 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: willing to take a one and done or two and 142 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: done or whatever. But he was a head coach who 143 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: we had seen a head coaches recruit before, but not 144 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: with the type of energy you saw from Rick Pettino. Anyway, 145 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: he goes to the Celtics. They were the first ones 146 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: to tank, all right, Remember they tanked for the pick 147 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: that became Tim Duncan. They had two lottery picks. Neither 148 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: of him ended up with the number one pick they 149 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: tanked to get Tim Duncan didn't happen, and he struck 150 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: out in his traft picks. Um he was when he's 151 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: a providence, He's been a nut in terms of conditioning. 152 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: He was one of the first to play small ball 153 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: in terms of smaller players at bigger positions. So it's 154 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: not necessarily something in terms of X and os specific 155 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: it's just he takes Providence, he puts them in the 156 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: final four. He goes to Kentucky, they become the best program. 157 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: He goes to Louisville and they they become the national 158 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: champion at Louisville. You know who they've been there before. 159 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: But the consistency and the way in which and he 160 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: by the way, was he was taking a little bit 161 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: lower level recruit than he was at Kentucky and guys 162 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: that would stay longer. Um And and you know, he 163 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: everywhere he's been outside of Hawaii for a year, he's 164 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: been in the tournament. Now he's in Iota for like 165 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: five minutes he's in the tournament. He's unbelievable. So that 166 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: that would be my argument, the ability to do at 167 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: different places, to be ahead of trends. You know, he's 168 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: he was a guy who was ahead of you know, 169 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: how you play against zones, the high ball, screen actions, 170 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: some of the different new on stuff. But basically he's 171 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: been successful everywhere staying ahead of everybody else. Yeah, you see, 172 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: he's your classic business early adapter. He finds stuff, he 173 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: sees it. He's not a prisoner to old ways. He's 174 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: the early adapter. So he's got Iona in so Juwan Howard, 175 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 1: former player Michigan's in Patrick Ewing, former player Georgetown in um. 176 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: You know, I like former players being coaches doesn't mean 177 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: they're going to succeed. Are you surprised by Jawan Howard's 178 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: success or Ewing or is it what you expected? Well, 179 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: here's the here's the fun thing about march Patrick. Ewing 180 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: has not been a success at Georgetown. Even this year, 181 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: they finished in eighth place in the in the Big East. 182 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: They've been an abject disaster over the last year and 183 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: a half. Most of his team transferred last year. Now, 184 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: they played great in the Big East Tournament, but that 185 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: was three days in New York. The former player thing 186 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: has been done. The former star player is interesting, right, 187 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: And Juwan wasn't the biggest star, but he's been a Yeah, 188 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: he was a financial star. To get that type of 189 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: forecathic out of a guy that has that much money 190 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: and that man's success is rare. What's new is big guys. 191 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: Outside of John Thompson and a couple of others, for 192 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: the most part, big guys haven't been seen as coaches. 193 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: They just haven't. It's always a point Guardino a point guard. 194 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: Billy don't have been a point guard like Steve Alford, 195 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: combo guard whatever um we go around the cup. Mike 196 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: Chevski a point guard. Those guys have been. It's like 197 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: catchers in baseball, yeah right, put in football. In football, 198 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: it's the backup quarterback, you know, the guys that have 199 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: to be more in tune with everything going on on 200 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: the team and watching film because they don't have the 201 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: god given talent, the classic overachieving point guard. So to 202 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: have big guys and I throw you know, like Wayne 203 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: Tingled Oregon State got in. They had an okay year, 204 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,599 Speaker 1: but he's gotten in two times. That big guys be 205 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: successful is actually new Jawan um not. It's surprising a 206 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: little bit, but not so much because when I when 207 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: he took the job, the first guy he hired was 208 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: Ptil Martelli, who, of course a long time legendary coach, 209 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: Saint Jose inspired and if you look at his staff, 210 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: his staff is awesome. They have all different elements to him. 211 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: And that's the part that blows me away about Juan 212 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: is he has everybody's got an ego and he was 213 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: a great player. He's got he was a great NBA player. 214 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: He's a good dude. He's got an ego, but he 215 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: didn't have such an ego that he won wouldn't hire 216 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: people who knew what he didn't know and two wouldn't 217 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: get his ass on a plane and go recruit. You know. 218 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: That's I'll take a quick story. This. Here's an Uncle 219 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: Collins story. Clyde Drexler got the job at Houston. Have 220 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: you ever have you ever heard this story? So Um, 221 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say the name of the assistant coach, 222 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: but one of his former teammates at Houston was his 223 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: assistant coach. So Clide's fine, he's at practice, he's not 224 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: really super engaged whatever. His assistant coaches too most of 225 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: the coaching. So today of their first game, he's like, hey, man, 226 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: what's tip time? The like seven oh five? He's like, gotcha. 227 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: So you know, most coaches get to the arena, you know, 228 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: it's five oh five, five thirty, six oh five, six thirties, 229 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: started to kind of panic. This before the days of 230 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: the cell phone. Seven oh two, Here comes five directions 231 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: saundering in and that bar god far right. So and 232 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: he didn't think anything other He's like, I was there 233 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: when the game started, I'm there to coach the team. 234 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: And and so um, I think the work ethic of 235 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: Juwan Howard and Frankly, I've been around viewing and like 236 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: I said, his program has not been good. No's gonna 237 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: argue otherwise, and maybe this goes becomes begins a magical run. 238 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: But the work ethic of of both of them is 239 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: really amazing. So it's a little surprising, but not really cansidering. 240 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: Michigan had a good culture already late and he hired 241 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: a great staff and he's totally engaged. 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You know, it's interesting because I I 258 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: think you and I have talked about this off the air. 259 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: I still think college basketball it was a great platform 260 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: for Zion. It's the only reason I know much about him. 261 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: The shoe incident. I thought it got him the Nike contract. 262 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: But they're, you know, increasingly guys who overseas, ge League whatever, 263 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, LaMelo Ball goes you know overseas, comes in 264 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: and is damn good. What do you make of his 265 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: early success and does it hurt college basketball? Uh? Yes, 266 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: and no, I would say no it. Here's here's the 267 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: so the league ignite thing. Really that was more to 268 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: keep guys from going to Australia. That wasn't to keep 269 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: guys going to take guys from college. Right. So this 270 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: kid named Jalen Green, who is a just a freak 271 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: athlete from uh he's from like the Fresno area whatever, 272 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: and he'll be a top five pick and he chose 273 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: to go there instead. Dacian Knicks was going to go 274 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: to UCLA is their point guard. I don't know if 275 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: he would have been a one and done, but now 276 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: he's in the G League select He's from Vegas. So 277 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: the Australia overseas thing I think was why the G 278 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: League selecting came to be. And yeah, I think that 279 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: does hurt college a little bit. But there's been others. 280 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: There are two guys who went to Australia. No one's 281 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: ever heard of the other one, even though he was 282 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: trapped in the first round because he hadn't done anything. 283 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: So but here's what I think. Last year we didn't 284 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: have the NCA tournament, so there wasn't anybody who created 285 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: a name for themselves. My guests would be if Jalen 286 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: Sucks and Kate Cunningham, if they become household names because 287 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: of the tournament. It helps make durin my art, which 288 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: is it's not just about playing or a college education. 289 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: It's about creating a brand for yourselves alongside the brand 290 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: of the school that you play with. And so if 291 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: Jalen Sugs as a freshman can lead Gonzaga to a 292 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: national title, like the endorsements and his draft stock will 293 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: be boosted. I would if you go back and and 294 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: chart it, I would say most of the mistakes that 295 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: were a lot of the mistakes are made in drafting 296 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: or because people saw these kids play in the in 297 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: the final four and they if you're like, well, he's 298 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: a winner. I just want to be a win round 299 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: a winner, and you talk yourself into guys that aren't 300 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: that good. So I think it's always better to go 301 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: to college, not just because it provides you the fallback, 302 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: but be like you would provide like you're saying, it 303 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: provides you the possibility of promotion. This could be endless 304 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: promotion for the next couple of weeks for Kay Cunningham 305 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: and Jalen Sugs, specifically because they are to jump off 306 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: the screen superstars in college fast. So let's talk Kade Cunningham. 307 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: We know I mean he's a six s eight guard, 308 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: I mean dominating player. I've only seen him play two 309 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: or three times. You know him? Well? Does he make 310 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State the kind of dark horse team that could 311 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: win three games? If I said to you who could 312 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: win three games and we'd be shocked. I would take 313 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State simply because they have the best player. Yes, 314 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: they you need a closer. You need it? What they 315 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: I had a coach tell me once there's an expression 316 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: in basketball. His sneakers take squeaked different, right, And you like, 317 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: they have a nice team. They have some good talent, 318 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: some good Avria Anderson's a stud, right, they got some 319 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: good dudes. Caleb Boone's a young young sophomore big guy. 320 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: He and his twin brother. He's a good finisher. But 321 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: the reason Mike Waite went from a team that finished 322 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: in ninth place two years in a row or ninth 323 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: Sea two years row two? Now what are they four? 324 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: I think they're underseated as a boar in just one 325 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: year is because he has Kake hunting him. And then 326 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: look at how many close games they won, and for 327 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: the most part, he was the reason they won the 328 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: close games, whether it was offense, defense, passing, scoring. I mean, 329 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: he's just first, you'd like him as a kid. You'd 330 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: like to He's a good hang and he's one of 331 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: those does everything. Is he a freak athlete? No? But 332 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: is the athletic yes? Is he lights out down three 333 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: point shooter? No? But is he a good shooter? Yes? 334 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: Is he Jason Kidd as a passer maybe? No? No, 335 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: but can he really pass? Yes, he's like the past. 336 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: Yet is he a good teammate? Absolutely? So, he's been unbelievable, unbelievable. 337 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: And then you look at their team and they have 338 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: I think the second most wins against the Tier one 339 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: teams or whatever. They beat the best teams in their league, 340 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: and they beat Arkansas one the best teams at the SEC. 341 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: So I like them. They are a team seemed to 342 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: wait to win, force to do the opposite of a 343 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: team that won a lot of close games UCLA, which 344 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: led games and then died down the stretch of several. 345 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: Give me a big basketball brand that if they lost 346 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: their opening game, you wouldn't be shocked Villanova, and not 347 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: because I don't think they're good. They lost Colin Gillespie, 348 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: their point guard. Colin Gillespie is there, Ryan Archidiacino is there. 349 00:19:53,760 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson, and he tore his MCL like I don't 350 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: know what day it is, galling, Sorry, have been doing 351 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of games, so I think it was two 352 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and they have not looked nearly the same since. Again, 353 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: going back to your point guard thing at the start 354 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: in Kansas, It's so funny you tweeted out as soon 355 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: as the practice came down. Hey, Eastern Washington, Like, first 356 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: of all, Kansas nothing good man, They don't have a 357 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: good town. And their center right now is that with 358 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: covid Ah And that's Eastern's best players. They're big, and 359 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: they they they don't have they have like six dudes 360 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: and they're without three of them right now. So let 361 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: me ask you, when you know, we talked earlier about 362 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: what separates Patino, when you if I said to you, 363 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: crystal ball, what does college basketball look like in five years? 364 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: Are you optimistic? Optimistic in terms of what like it's 365 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: not going away, It's just it's gonna become college baseball 366 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: with a lot more hype. That's that's mine And what 367 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: does that mean? That means guys, there are three four 368 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: five year guys right the grown men, and some guys 369 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: that make themselves into tremendous players. But you know, for 370 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: a long time, some of these coaches like, let's do 371 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: the baseball rule. Well, congratulations, you're probably gonna get it. 372 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: You know, the probably college baseball is nobody knows anybody 373 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: who plays college baseball. So I still think the magic 374 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: of the tournament and the bracket, and like, look, I 375 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: would have fifteen years ago when we became friends and 376 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: you said college basketball is trending the way of a 377 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: one month's sport, and I want to fight you right 378 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: there in the bowling alley in Bristol, Connecticut. Right remember 379 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: we went out for drinks. You said, look around, all right, 380 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: this is everybody else on a Friday night, and and so, 381 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: and you were right. It is trending the way of 382 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,239 Speaker 1: a one month sport. And so I think it's a 383 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: better version of college baseball in five years with better uniforms. 384 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot of good history with it. It's good 385 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: on TV and the cable networks and even the new 386 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,719 Speaker 1: you know, all the new streaming networks. They're gonna need 387 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: volume programming. So it's not going anywhere per se. But 388 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: I do think that in terms of popularity that the 389 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: golden days are gone, and I don't see a way 390 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: unless they work some deal with the NBA, who doesn't 391 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: appear to want to do a deal with them. I 392 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: would guess it becomes a college baseball type model where 393 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: guys go right away or they've got to stay three years, 394 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: and those guys that stay three years are good players. 395 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 1: And they build up reputations for themselves. But but the 396 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: NBA is kind of taken over Saturday nights in the 397 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: winter being on ABC and on ESPN, so you don't 398 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: have those days game of the nights. I think he 399 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: trends away of college baseball. Let me ask you a 400 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: couple of basketball questions professional basketball. Uh yeah. I was 401 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: saying this the other day on the show, that you know, 402 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: don't expect people to do things if they don't have 403 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: a history of it. We know that Anthony Davis is 404 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: not going to give you eighty two games and then 405 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: add twenty intense games in the playoffs. And last year 406 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: an outlier year where he got a four and a 407 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: half half month break during the season, he was great 408 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: down the stretch and so when he got when he 409 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: got hurt. This year, my takeaway was just let him 410 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: sit out until about twelve games left, because to expect 411 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: him to be an eighty two game guy and then 412 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: give you twenty intense playoff games, there's no history of that. 413 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: That's not who he is. And I think, to myself, 414 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: just understand what he is. He needs a break in 415 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: the season. He's brittle, am I nuts? Like Lebron should 416 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: be the guy that should be getting some of this 417 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: time off, shouldn't he? Yeah, you'd think. And and then 418 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: the other the other element too, it is you know, 419 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: they don't want to become the Clippers. And the Clippers fizzled, 420 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: not jet. Part of it was the bubble. They were 421 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: not good in the bubble. And no matter what anybody 422 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: tells you now, the Lakers weren't in a great place 423 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: in the bubble if you track, if you trace it back. Yeah, 424 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: so when there was the shooting in Milwaukee that the protests, right, 425 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: my people within the Lakers are like, man, these guys 426 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: nobody feel in the bubble, like it is not a 427 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: good mental space to be in. And then the protests happened, 428 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: they shut down. Well the Lakers, if you look, they 429 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 1: actually had two games postponed and they kind of refreshed them, right, 430 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: They played Houston in the playoffs, and that refreshed them 431 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: as well because Russell Wilson was talking all that shit 432 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: and and it was a good matchup for him too. 433 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: Like they'll tell you that Houston had no chance. You 434 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: can't play only small ball against the Lakers. And then 435 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: if you remember, the Clippers lost and they were like 436 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: the Clippers are gone, the Bucks are gone, Let's win 437 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: the whole effing thing. So and they became like the 438 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: great thing in the bubble. But that wasn't wasn't always 439 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: that way. So the Clippers fell apart partially because of 440 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: the bubble. But the reason that they were never great 441 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: was they didn't have cohesiveness. They didn't play together, they 442 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: didn't train together. So the Lakers haven't really been practiced shooterers, 443 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: missed some games. They got to figure out everything defensively 444 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: because they were the best defensive team in the league. 445 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: That's why they won last year. And unless and so 446 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: there's a I don't know what the magic number of 447 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: games and practices and dates together are, but I do 448 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: think that they need more than twelve, and they need 449 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: shrewder and they need Lebron for more than twelve together 450 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: so that they're right for the playoffs. Outside of that, 451 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you, Like what's the point. Take 452 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: whatever you can get for him, the absolute stud when 453 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: and he he's like Lebron's like Attashie, Like Lebron doesn't 454 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: necessarily totally communicate with everybody on the team, but he 455 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: uses Anthony Davis to talk to everybody else the team 456 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: to motivate everybody else the team. That's the pecking order. 457 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm with you in terms of what's the 458 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: point of overuseeing Anthony Davis when which really need him 459 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: force the playoffs? The problem becomes you got to be 460 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: careful of overusing Lebron James. Yeah, a second question, he 461 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: doesn't stir national ratings. You can tell by where E, 462 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: ESPN or TNT put Milwaukee Bucks games. Can we kind 463 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: of acknowledge now Jannis is not going to be the 464 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: face of the league. You can is a book on 465 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: how to defend him, and in the end, he's he's 466 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: one of not you know, Luca and Jannis maybe the 467 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: best two international players ever, certainly in that kind of class. 468 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: But there's now a ceiling on Jannis and a book 469 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: on Yannis, and he's not going to be the face 470 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: of the league, and in fact, Luca's got a better 471 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: chance of that. I would generally agree. I would say 472 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: the Milwaukee element to it is really hard. I would 473 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: I would wonder if, like if he was in LA, 474 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: would the league get behind him as the face of 475 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: the league like it is Milwaukee. But I think the 476 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: point that you made, which is the without trying to 477 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: is the better one? Which there's a book on everybody, 478 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: and you know what, usually it's pretty accurate. Yeah, and 479 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: you got to overcome that, right, Like Jannis can't shoot. 480 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: Everybody knows that Luca kind of has a bad body, 481 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,479 Speaker 1: doesn't really play defense, right, the unbelievable passers shotmaker, you know, 482 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean, like he's ridiculous, dame me. And Lillard doesn't 483 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: play much any defense. Right, He's become a better he's 484 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: become a better finisher. So than reputations, I think I 485 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: think it might have been I might have quoted the 486 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: great Colin Coward. Did you always say that reputations are earned? 487 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,239 Speaker 1: And those guys have reputations as such? Right, So, um, 488 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever going to be the face 489 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: of the league. I do think, but I do think 490 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: he's a great player. But you know, it's all gonna 491 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: come down to the shooting. And I think the shooting 492 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: looks worse, not better. I just do. I don't know 493 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: what the numbers say as of now, but if you 494 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: looked ever since, I mean he's big, he's swole up, 495 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: and he's got those long arms and big hands like 496 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: it is it's not he is. I don't think he'll 497 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: ever be the shooter that even Lebron has become in 498 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: order to become one of the one of the you know, 499 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: a championship level player. Yeah, how surprised are you? I mean, 500 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: we shouldn't based on talent. How surprised are you? Brooklyn 501 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: is just tearing it up and the chemistry appeared to 502 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: be really good instantly. Um, pretty surprised. I'm pretty surprised that, 503 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: I guess I am, and I'm not. Remember, Katie's not playing. 504 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: I've been The talents unbelievable. And I think what people 505 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: are surprised by is James Harden's willingness to be a facilitator. Yeah, 506 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: when he was in Oklahoma City, that's what he did. 507 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: And I think you do get to a point in life, right, 508 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: like you've told me this, right where you got to 509 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: a point in your life where you're like, I'm making 510 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: a lot of money, I want to make sure I 511 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,239 Speaker 1: take care of people and give people opportunities that I 512 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: think are talented. That's like one of your that's one 513 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: of your big things, which is one of the reasons 514 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: I admire you so much. I'm not that I don't 515 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: give a shit about anybody else. I just want I'm glad, Rob. 516 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: I'd ride your coattails whenever you want. But I am 517 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: not to that point anyway. I think James hard might 518 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: key to that. I don't give a shit anymore. I'm 519 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: just tired of losing. So I'm impressed. I guess I 520 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: shouldn't be because I thought Steve Nash could be the 521 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: right guy. I just let's see what happens when they 522 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: hit some adversity. Let's see what happens when we get 523 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: to the playoffs, Let's see what happens when Katie's back playing. 524 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: But I am pleasantly surprised at how fluid it has 525 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: all been. And then I'm interested in was Blake Griffin 526 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: dogging right? Like he didn't have a dunked all season? 527 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: Like not a dunk. I didn't say he had to 528 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 1: jump over a Kia. He didn't have a dunk all season, 529 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: like he's six ten Collins. It's just right, Like that's 530 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: like a ham with that burger. It just doesn't happen. 531 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: So is he really washed or was he just dogging 532 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: it to get himself out of there? Which is what happened. 533 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: James Harden to get himself out of Houston. Yeah, so 534 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: I'm surprised, and I think whether it's Kadi and his 535 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: unselfish sister James Harden, that has spread throughout their locker 536 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: room and it's a fun team to watch. And I 537 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: don't know if he's not playing defense as I mean. 538 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: I think I told you the story off air when 539 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: Kyrie was with the Celtics and they played yat his 540 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: last series they lost to Jannis in the Bucks. They 541 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: designed their defensive scheme for that series, and the basic 542 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: plan was like, hey, Kyrie, whatever you do, we're not 543 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: having to switch onto onto Jannis, right, And so every 544 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: time they would come together into shot clock, guess what 545 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: Kyrie ivery would do. He would switch on. Yes, And 546 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: when you switch on like he get up in him 547 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: like I'm yeah, I'm gonna take the ball from like bro. 548 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: He's six nine with a handle. You want to make 549 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: him shoot, not drive. And he drove them crazy. So 550 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: Kyrie is still the you can't trust you have no 551 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: no one has any idea how he's going to react 552 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: to adversity. But as of now, I think he's reacted 553 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: well to an unselfish player. As a coach, to Steve 554 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: Nash and two other unselfish superstars. Good stuff. All right, 555 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: So you're Gonzaga Baylor Illinois in the field, It's Gonzaga 556 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: the whole year. So I would seem like an ask 557 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: if I said otherwise, I'm gonna gonz I'll go Gonzag 558 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: over the field. Just Hey, the best team is the 559 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: best team because of the best team. Let's not mess 560 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: around me, Doug Gottlie, great stuff, man. Drive safe. You 561 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: are driving where now? I'm driving to Cincinnati, where I 562 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: can fly NonStop to LA because there's no nonstops out 563 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: of Indiana or Indianapolis. All right, Dougger, Drive safe, buddy, 564 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: great job. All right? All right. Everybody follow us at 565 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: The Volume Sports on Twitter and Instagram, rate review, and subscribe. 566 00:31:32,480 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: Please subscribe. We're having fun here. Join the party. The 567 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: Volume