Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kranler and Michael Coughlin and I'm
Speaker 1: her radio podcast.
Speaker 2: How does it feel to be with a cougar?
Speaker 3: Wow? I love it. And now this is where you
Speaker 3: say I'm four years older than you.
Speaker 2: I am. I'm thirty seven years old, which means I'm four.
Speaker 2: I'm technically now a cougar.
Speaker 3: Is that the cutoff age?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, honestly, cougar is like ten years older.
Speaker 2: But I like to think of myself as a cougar.
Speaker 2: But thirty seven just sounds so old, Like I remember
Speaker 2: going to my mom's like surprise thirtieth birthday as a
Speaker 2: little girl, and I'm like thirty seven. Woolf. Oh it's funny.
Speaker 2: I was reading my DMS too, and someone was like,
Speaker 2: there you go. I thought Michael was an ex professional
Speaker 2: hockey player until I saw the video of the All
Speaker 2: pline hockey and then it confirmed that, Oh no, it
Speaker 2: was football.
Speaker 3: Clearly was a nice that was so much fun.
Speaker 2: Michael did a great birthday for me, went ice skating.
Speaker 2: He runted out this like it's like a half rink
Speaker 2: in a in a sense. Yeah, it's like a hockeys
Speaker 2: hockey school camp. But they also runt out the ice,
Speaker 2: and so we played hockey, yeah.
Speaker 3: Running for two hours. Yeah, it's like a it's called
Speaker 3: the Hockey Lab in Franklin, and it was awesome. So
Speaker 3: we had him set up the hockey nets and we
Speaker 3: had a bunch of pucks out there and Jan and
Speaker 3: I were doing passengers and playing one on one and
Speaker 3: then we had Jolly join us for the last hour,
Speaker 3: which was awesome.
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, I got a little hate because
Speaker 2: Jolie wasn't wearing a helmet. Is she supposed to wear
Speaker 2: a helmet like I was. I didn't wear helmet when
Speaker 2: I started. I learned how to skate when I was five,
Speaker 2: same age as almost Jolly, and I didn't wear a helmet.
Speaker 2: But then again, did I even have a car seat
Speaker 2: when I was fine?
Speaker 3: Right, exactly whatever people are going to say, whatever they
Speaker 3: want to say. She was fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a good skater.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If I mean Jace, I would for sure put a
Speaker 2: helmet because he doesn't know how to say right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he falls over every two seconds. But no, I
Speaker 3: mean whatever, we were there, she was fine. If it
Speaker 3: was like a group setting, there's more people to like
Speaker 3: run into her, but she was We saw her fall
Speaker 3: the first couple of times, and she was in control
Speaker 3: of her falls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she knew to fall on her butt, right, It's not.
Speaker 3: Like she was Yeah, she knew how to fall. Wasn't
Speaker 3: like she was just feet out from under straight unto
Speaker 3: her back, her head.
Speaker 2: I just don't know though, if I would have the
Speaker 2: like if I was a person. I mean I am
Speaker 2: a person, but like I don't know if I would
Speaker 2: look at someone saying and be like, oh, your kid
Speaker 2: should be wearing a helmet. But then again, I feel
Speaker 2: like I did it that one time when we went
Speaker 2: and saw Jurassic Park, there was a three year old
Speaker 2: watching the movie and she was like scared, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what mother would bring a child here?
Speaker 3: We were watching Sons of Anarchy the other day and
Speaker 3: you're and they showed Jack's crib. She's like, there are
Speaker 3: so many things wrong with that crib.
Speaker 2: There actually was they not accurate? It was a baby
Speaker 2: and it was able to roll over, and it had blankets,
Speaker 2: and like, I'm like, Sid's people right exactly. And then
Speaker 2: now that the baby's older, the crib needs to be lowered.
Speaker 2: Like whoever was the script person on Sons of Anarchy?
Speaker 2: Which by the way, you know, amazing show, our favorite show.
Speaker 2: But uh, there's gotta be careful. So yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: I am kind of like that person. I just don't
Speaker 2: tell the person even better, even.
Speaker 3: Better, speaking of no, that's stupid.
Speaker 2: What Monopoly kills all marriages?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was a great way to end the night,
Speaker 3: playing Monopoly against each other with your spouse.
Speaker 2: So fun, which, by the way, we're going to finish.
Speaker 2: We haven't finished it yet, but we go. And here's
Speaker 2: the thing, you just landed on board walk.
Speaker 3: Playing with two people is damn near impossible because you
Speaker 3: need a third party to kind of be Switzerland when
Speaker 3: it comes to trading trading properties.
Speaker 2: I played it. I think I played it really smart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I FD myself just to move along the game.
Speaker 2: No you didn't. I got those three properties the Purple
Speaker 2: put houses on it before you even had like a
Speaker 2: three because you were passing up those don't pass up
Speaker 2: the cheap opportunities, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a house poor no anymore anyway, So we
Speaker 3: but we made it out without fighting, shocking, which is successful. Yeah,
Speaker 3: only because he's your birthday. I think any other day
Speaker 3: I go like this is speaking of other relationships. Oh oh,
Speaker 3: so current events going on right now?
Speaker 2: Oh are you bringing in the didn't didn't? Didn't didn't.
Speaker 2: This is Michael Cosson with Pop Current Events.
Speaker 3: Yeah TMZ. NBA star Malik Beasley's wife Montana Yao reacts
Speaker 3: to photos of him and Larsa Pippen holding hands.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry he has a wife.
Speaker 3: Yes, and he's blatantly holding hands with another woman in
Speaker 3: this picture at the airport.
Speaker 2: Oh and she okay, I'm ready this and then the
Speaker 2: wife comments, wow, I don't even know this man. The
Speaker 2: model twenty three wrote on her Instagram stories, this is wild, y'all.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing it for the first time. Like y'all, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I I had. I was just reading
Speaker 2: this thing on us weekly because on Instagram and the
Speaker 2: Pip and Girl. Okay, I know, I know the story.
Speaker 2: The Pip and Girl just wrote back and said something
Speaker 2: about salt, like don't believe everything you read on social media,
Speaker 2: like basically calling out the wife like she knew this
Speaker 2: was going on.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: But that's how That's what I got from the message.
Speaker 2: Because if you're like, that's ballsy holding hands in like
Speaker 2: a mall, it's one thing to be coming out like
Speaker 2: a I mean it's not okay, not okay at all,
Speaker 2: but coming out of a bar drunk like he's very
Speaker 2: aware that moment they look like they're at a mall
Speaker 2: holding hands.
Speaker 1: Or the airport.
Speaker 3: Yet we're not just that that. You gotta be really
Speaker 3: stupid to beat to do that. Yeah, so maybe there
Speaker 3: is something behind the scenes that his wife is like
Speaker 3: plain innocent.
Speaker 2: I don't know, But didn't you say something about that
Speaker 2: girl though? Because I don't know who that girl? I
Speaker 2: don't know who any of these people are.
Speaker 3: Larsa Pippen is Scottie's Pippin's ex wife.
Speaker 2: Who's Scottie Pippen, Hall.
Speaker 3: Of Fame basketball player for the Bulls, Oh, Jordan and Pippen.
Speaker 2: I mean, the name sounds familiar, but I'm like, and
Speaker 2: then who's the guy she's holding hands with? Now?
Speaker 3: He's a basketball player.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh, so she's like a basketball Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I just I feel like I've heard her name,
Speaker 3: like another headlines similar to this or something.
Speaker 2: So she's a homewrecker.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying I feel
Speaker 3: like I've heard her name.
Speaker 2: It's a song by Miranda home record. That's not that's
Speaker 2: Oh no, what's not? Miranda Limbert was her name. Don't
Speaker 2: know what you know what you're doing. I think you're
Speaker 2: going to Brulin what you got Easter? But you're not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're just a home record. Come on, that's a good
Speaker 2: country song. Who sings that? Easton? You're my country?
Speaker 4: Did?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: S Gretchen Wilson. Thank you? It's a good song. And
Speaker 2: then did you see the other stuff? Sorry? I just
Speaker 2: want to since I'm talking on country right now, because
Speaker 2: she kind of had she dabbled in country.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's talk about that. But first we have
Speaker 3: our amazing guest, Rachel Rogers, who is the CEO of
Speaker 3: Hello seven, which her whole mission is all about, you know,
Speaker 3: impowering women to become millionaires essentially.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to talk.
Speaker 3: I know. She's got an amazing website, a lot of
Speaker 3: cool stuff, very successful lawyer and entrepreneurs. So let's take
Speaker 3: a break and then have Rachel.
Speaker 2: Hey, Rachel, how you doing? How good? How are you guys?
Speaker 6: Good?
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on the show with us.
Speaker 2: Where do you live?
Speaker 1: I live in North Carolina, Greensboro.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say wherever you're at right now
Speaker 2: looks really pretty and just like it.
Speaker 1: Is really pretty. I just want a fifty three acre
Speaker 1: ranch in the middle of a pandemic.
Speaker 2: Yes you did, Oh my gosh, fifty three acres. Do
Speaker 2: you have horses?
Speaker 1: And yes, we have a beautiful horse barn. We don't
Speaker 1: have horses yet. We're actually in the process of acquiring
Speaker 1: our first horses. So all I do every day is
Speaker 1: research horses.
Speaker 2: Sorry this is so random, but horses, like they really
Speaker 2: they like they know what's going on in you.
Speaker 1: They're very smart, and I feel like they're therapeutic to
Speaker 1: be around, you know, and right now, like it's one
Speaker 1: of the few things that I can get my kids,
Speaker 1: like my kids can do and like be outside, you know.
Speaker 2: So how many kids.
Speaker 5: Do you have?
Speaker 1: I have four?
Speaker 2: What are their ages?
Speaker 1: So my three little ones are nine, seven, and two,
Speaker 1: and then I have a twenty year old stepdaughter.
Speaker 2: Wow, bite the range? How is? How is having four kids?
Speaker 1: It's a lot? But I have to say, like, going
Speaker 1: from as you guys already know, right, going from one
Speaker 1: to two is like you feel like a train hit
Speaker 1: you, you know, because you're like, holy crap, Like I was
Speaker 1: up all night with one and now this one's hungry,
Speaker 1: like I don't got time for that. I want to sleep.
Speaker 1: So but then you know, once you start adding after that,
Speaker 1: it's like whatever, you could add three more and it
Speaker 1: won't matter.
Speaker 2: Good to know.
Speaker 3: I like it because we're we're considering a third right now.
Speaker 3: We're going to go talk to a doctor here soon.
Speaker 3: Ganas like, well, if we have three.
Speaker 4: Four, I'm like, I'm kind of with you, to be honest, Like,
Speaker 4: my husband got the snipsies after our last one, and
Speaker 4: we've both had the thought like, huh, I would totally
Speaker 4: consider having another one, especially now that we have this
Speaker 4: big ass property.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, we need a football field of like
Speaker 2: a team now, like you need help with the chores,
Speaker 2: like who's gonna hey all the barrel up, all the
Speaker 2: hayze or whatever exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is my husband's fourth, so he was
Speaker 1: kind of like, I'm done, you.
Speaker 2: Know, so how do you Because your whole thing is
Speaker 2: like we can all be a millionaire, right, yes, so
Speaker 2: how do we do that? Because I would like to
Speaker 2: be so that would be great. What's what's the first
Speaker 2: step in going down that road?
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I think the first step is stop making
Speaker 1: brokeass decisions and start making million dollar decisions.
Speaker 2: Oh, like, what give me an awesome example.
Speaker 1: So brokeass decisions are the ones where you know they're constricting, right,
Speaker 1: Like they steal your time and energy, they deplete mental space,
Speaker 1: they kind of get you busy with pitoli, you know,
Speaker 1: and sometimes they seem like million dollar decisions like oh, oh,
Speaker 1: let's put all this effort into saving some money, right, Like,
Speaker 1: let's not hire help around the house. Let's all do
Speaker 1: it all ourselves. We can save money. But it's like,
Speaker 1: do you but is that going to help you make money?
Speaker 1: Like cleaning up after your kids all day or not
Speaker 1: having like like we have a chef, right, and it
Speaker 1: was like the best thing I've ever spent money on
Speaker 1: in my life was like finding this chef and hiring
Speaker 1: them because that's what took up all my time, is
Speaker 1: like cooking and fighting with my husband and you know,
Speaker 1: like passive aggressively, like banging pots around the kitchen while
Speaker 1: I'm cooking because I'm pissed that I have to do
Speaker 1: this after a long work day. Anybody ever been there,
Speaker 1: so you know, so it could be like, well, let
Speaker 1: us save money and we'll do all that stuff ourselves
Speaker 1: and I think that's a brokeass decision because if you
Speaker 1: have the ability to make money doing right like posting
Speaker 1: a podcast or teaching a class or doing workshops or
Speaker 1: events or any starting businesses right, then free up your time,
Speaker 1: hire someone to help you up your time. Spend a
Speaker 1: little money up front, because the payoff is huge. You
Speaker 1: freed up a bunch of your time that you can
Speaker 1: now spend making money right. And so that would be
Speaker 1: a million dollar decision, like hiring a chef was a
Speaker 1: million dollar decision that we made, you know. And so
Speaker 1: I think especially women are always making decisions. And this
Speaker 1: is the money messages that are sent to us is
Speaker 1: like contract right, like ooh, stop shopping, you know, stop
Speaker 1: buying that latte, right, Like it's always about like it
Speaker 1: sends the message that women are shopaholics, that we can't
Speaker 1: control ourselves with money, that we need to cut coupons
Speaker 1: and do more with less. And men get the messages
Speaker 1: of like, you know, be a power investor, right, like
Speaker 1: you know, step into your prowess. Like there's always like
Speaker 1: an image of a lion or something. Right. For men,
Speaker 1: it's like go out there, take risks, make it happen.
Speaker 1: And the reality is is that you can cut coupons
Speaker 1: all day long, You're not going to save so much
Speaker 1: money that it actually puts you in a different tax bracket,
Speaker 1: right like it you can't save your way to being
Speaker 1: a millionaire, right Like, Really, what we need to be
Speaker 1: talking to people about is earning more and what are
Speaker 1: the ways that we can do that. How can we
Speaker 1: spend more of our time earning more and really step
Speaker 1: into our talents and skills, capitalize on that scale, on
Speaker 1: what we're good at, and that's what's actually gonna help
Speaker 1: us become millionaires.
Speaker 2: You know that makes sense?
Speaker 3: You know when I was looking at your stuff, Rachel,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna read your mission shape, your mission statement,
Speaker 3: because mission statement, your mission statement for everyone to hear.
Speaker 3: Because as soon as I read it, I thought of
Speaker 3: Janna Okay in this way, and I don't think she's
Speaker 3: read it yet, but here it is for our listeners.
Speaker 3: Rachel's mission is to help women hit seven figures without
Speaker 3: sacrificing their families. Insanity. I'm an entrepreneur and I'm a mother.
Speaker 3: I run a seventh figure business, and I'm in the
Speaker 3: front row of every dancer title. I'm picking my kids
Speaker 3: up from school every day. I'm watching Peppa Pit cartoons
Speaker 3: in bed on Sunday mornings. If you've ever seen me
Speaker 3: speak at an event, chances are my three children. We're
Speaker 3: in the front row. When people tell me you have
Speaker 3: to choose which family and business? I say both. Hell yeah,
Speaker 3: that is our kind of girl right there. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: it makes me think of Janna, because that's you know,
Speaker 3: Janna has that mindset. I'm trying to keep up with
Speaker 3: her and so to to listen and experience women like
Speaker 3: you'allselves and to be successful in business. I love the
Speaker 3: fact that it's almost like having your cake and eat
Speaker 3: it too, right, You're not You don't have to choose
Speaker 3: that house life to be around the kids and then
Speaker 3: sacrifice work. So, you know, my thing is when people,
Speaker 3: when women out there are anybody who may be the
Speaker 3: one the primary caregiver for the kids, what's that first
Speaker 3: step for them to be like? Look, by doing this,
Speaker 3: you can actually spend more time with them. By doing this,
Speaker 3: you can set yourself up better. How do you get
Speaker 3: someone encourage a woman or anybody to take that leap?
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I think to start, we have to kind
Speaker 1: of change our philosophy around parenting and especially motherhood because
Speaker 1: again right, like, so we can't win as women, right
Speaker 1: because not only do we have to be like super
Speaker 1: hot and sexy, but we also need to do all
Speaker 1: the things for our children, right and like we're not
Speaker 1: good mothers if we don't, and also do more with
Speaker 1: cut coupons while we're at it, right, and so like
Speaker 1: that's these ideas about what womanhood is and what motherhood is.
Speaker 1: I think we need to start challenging them. So for example,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't do my children's laundry. I don't
Speaker 1: cook for them ever, Like I never make them a mail.
Speaker 1: Maybe on a Sunday I will heat up some soup,
Speaker 1: but like, other than that, I'm not cooking a lot
Speaker 1: of the sort of like labor related to parenting I'm
Speaker 1: not doing. However, I do read to them every day.
Speaker 1: I spend quality time with them. I'm making decisions about
Speaker 1: their education and their homeschooling now so like their homeschooling
Speaker 1: plan right, and creating opportunity for them of of course
Speaker 1: very involved in like their health and well being and
Speaker 1: what they eat. I'm making those parental decisions. But I
Speaker 1: don't have to do all of the labor to be
Speaker 1: a good parent, you know, and in fact, by eliminating
Speaker 1: a lot of that labor, I'm actually able to spend
Speaker 1: quality time with them where I'm done with work and
Speaker 1: I don't have to go cook or clean or do
Speaker 1: that stuff. I get to just immediately sit down with
Speaker 1: them and like play a game, read books, watch a
Speaker 1: show together, you know. And I think that's how you
Speaker 1: do that is that's like, you know, people ask me
Speaker 1: all the time, like how do you do it all?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't. I hire other people and they
Speaker 1: help me.
Speaker 3: You're a hell of a delegator.
Speaker 1: Exactly, master delegator. And that's really what we all need
Speaker 1: to be thinking about, especially as women, right, Like if
Speaker 1: we have careers and I and I explained to my
Speaker 1: daughter because sometimes she's you know, she'll come to like
Speaker 1: my office door and say, you know, like I want
Speaker 1: you to hang out with me, like why are you
Speaker 1: still working or whatever? And I'm like, you know, other
Speaker 1: moms have to like commute to and from work, right,
Speaker 1: I get to be here all day with you. I
Speaker 1: get to eat lunch with you and breakfast with you
Speaker 1: every day. We have so much quality time together and
Speaker 1: like you got to contribute, right, We have a nice house,
Speaker 1: We have a nice life, and your contribution is let
Speaker 1: me finish working and you go clean your room or
Speaker 1: you go occupy yourself until I'm done, and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna have quality time together. So I want my children
Speaker 1: to know that, like, yes, this nice life that we're
Speaker 1: all creating, you're a part of that, and you need
Speaker 1: to contribute to that too. Like sometimes it's putting the
Speaker 1: you know, setting the table for dinner, and sometimes it's
Speaker 1: leaving mommy alone so she can finish working so she
Speaker 1: can make the money that creates this life.
Speaker 2: You know, what about for the women that are stuck
Speaker 2: in that situation where they feel like they can't have
Speaker 2: other people do it because it might not be to
Speaker 2: the standards they want it done at. You know, like
Speaker 2: for example, I don't like how Mike folds the laundry,
Speaker 2: so I'm like, I then feel like I have to
Speaker 2: do it, and so or and and you know, and
Speaker 2: there're gonna be other situations too. But it's like, how
Speaker 2: do you when when you want to release those things
Speaker 2: but you're too afraid of releasing the control of those things.
Speaker 1: Yes, well this is this is the step, right, Like
Speaker 1: releasing the control creates freedom and I get this all
Speaker 1: the time because one of the first things what I
Speaker 1: tell people to start with cause you know, like I
Speaker 1: didn't start with outsourcing having a chef, right, Like, I
Speaker 1: was broke as a joke when I started my business,
Speaker 1: you know, So what I started with was laundry. I
Speaker 1: started outsourcing laundry and it was like, you know, fifty
Speaker 1: bucks right to like have somebody else do that week's laundry.
Speaker 1: And that saved me like a whole weekend of like
Speaker 1: doing laundry. And so, you know, if they didn't fold
Speaker 1: it the way I wanted, then I would tell them
Speaker 1: how I wanted it folded. And then if they didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, like they use like this regular detergent and
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, I want the like organic, environmentally
Speaker 1: friendly like stuff, you know, So I would give them that.
Speaker 1: And here's what that does, right, It turns us into
Speaker 1: leaders when we have to delegate to other people, tell
Speaker 1: them exactly how we want things done, tell them when
Speaker 1: they do it wrong, learn how to communicate with them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's what leadership is. And
Speaker 1: I think the sooner that people outsource hire a personal
Speaker 1: assistant send out their laundry start like just how having
Speaker 1: small tasks that take up their time outsource they're going
Speaker 1: to step into leadership because they're gonna learn how to
Speaker 1: lead other people. You know. That means you do have
Speaker 1: to kind of let go of like, Okay, maybe it's
Speaker 1: not perfect every time, but you want them to get
Speaker 1: it like eighty percent of the way that you want
Speaker 1: it like eighty percent right, and accept that as like
Speaker 1: that's good enough so that you can be free to
Speaker 1: be out here being a millionaire.
Speaker 2: Sure, no, I get that. I think the hard thing
Speaker 2: just personally is just like asking for help, you know,
Speaker 2: because I feel like I can do it all, even
Speaker 2: though there are days where it's just like I'm just
Speaker 2: tired and maybe I'm not the best mom because I'm
Speaker 2: so exhausted by all those things, which then affects, like
Speaker 2: you said, like you're able to do all these things
Speaker 2: and then be like really present with your kids and
Speaker 2: it's like after I'm busy and doing stuff and you know,
Speaker 2: and then it's like, oh okay, it's almost like, oh gosh,
Speaker 2: now I have not that like I have to go
Speaker 2: hang out with them, but I want to. I'm just
Speaker 2: exhausted by the time that I get to that time
Speaker 2: to be with them.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and like a special in the age of COVID nineteen, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's happening for so many women where we're exhausted,
Speaker 1: and like America is relying on women to home, educate
Speaker 1: these children, maintain the household, still make money by showing
Speaker 1: up to work on zoom, Like it is really challenging.
Speaker 1: And there are stats showing that, like hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of women are leaving their careers because they just it's
Speaker 1: too much and it's exhausting for them, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's just not good for your mental health. So I
Speaker 1: think that that's how you start to get back to
Speaker 1: that place of sanity, Like we have to reject the
Speaker 1: idea that we need to do at all, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's the only way to.
Speaker 2: Get back to that. What can a man, husband or
Speaker 2: partner do to lift their wives or partners up to
Speaker 2: encourage them to get to that you know, seven seven
Speaker 2: figure happy life.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I think one of the first of all,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's lots of stats that show that even
Speaker 1: when the woman is the breadwinner, that men still don't
Speaker 1: do as much domestic work as women do, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure, that's not true for every household,
Speaker 1: but it's true for a lot of them. We just naturally,
Speaker 1: like you said, like I can do it all, so
Speaker 1: I am right, and so we just have that natural
Speaker 1: inclination to do it and we're not gonna wait. We're
Speaker 1: just gonna get it done. We're not gonna argue with
Speaker 1: our husbands every day. Right.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like when Mike, when when we talk
Speaker 2: about the laundry, He's like, I put it in, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, and by the time I go to forward it,
Speaker 2: it's already forwarded, folded and put away. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: because like we have you know, are just our times, right, yes,
Speaker 2: So it's like the man tries, but it's just the
Speaker 2: woman's already like is there before you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's exactly what you were saying with like asking
Speaker 1: for help, right and saying like, Hey, I have this
Speaker 1: big vision, I have this dream, I have this thing
Speaker 1: that I'm working on in my career, and I need
Speaker 1: your help. I need your support, and you know, here's
Speaker 1: what you can do to help me. And tell them specifically,
Speaker 1: you know, because my husband when we I was building
Speaker 1: my business and my husband was staying home at home
Speaker 1: with the kids because he hated his job and I
Speaker 1: loved my job and like was creating more and more opportunity.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you stay home with these kids,
Speaker 1: let me do my thing, and like we'll be golden,
Speaker 1: you know. And so he's like awesome, and he's like military.
Speaker 1: He has got timers going on whole day, like, oh,
Speaker 1: laundry's done. Oh time to pick up this one, you know,
Speaker 1: like time for this one to eat. And so he's
Speaker 1: very much more organized than I ever was. So you know,
Speaker 1: that helped, and that worked, and there were still times
Speaker 1: where we would get unbalanced, but I would just ask
Speaker 1: him for help and ask for his support and tell
Speaker 1: him exactly what I needed. And there were times where
Speaker 1: he had to come to me and be like, you know,
Speaker 1: I know you're working and stuff, but like on the
Speaker 1: weekends you could step it up.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: So he's the one telling me, like, you need to
Speaker 1: do better. And and there were times where he was
Speaker 1: just like walking around passive aggressive. I knew was pissed.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about what. I had no idea, Like
Speaker 1: I really felt clueless because I was just so busy
Speaker 1: doing my own thing. And until he specifically spelled it
Speaker 1: out and said this is what I want you specifically
Speaker 1: to do. I was like, okay, done, but he was
Speaker 1: mad at me because I didn't automatically know. And I
Speaker 1: think we as women do that a lot too, right.
Speaker 1: We're like, I just need you to know. I just
Speaker 1: need you to know what I want obviously, I want
Speaker 1: you to do that, right, And it's like it's not
Speaker 1: obvious to them for whatever annoying reason. So we got
Speaker 1: to spell it out.
Speaker 3: Yes you did. We're simple creatures. Just tell us straight
Speaker 3: up and we'll do it. You know, we just need direction, Rachel,
Speaker 3: has it ever been because admittedly, to be honest, you know,
Speaker 3: Janna's the breadwinner in our relationship and has been pretty
Speaker 3: much since the beginning when we were together, because I
Speaker 3: was just coming out of football and I've had my
Speaker 3: moments and still have my moments of insecurity, a feeling
Speaker 3: like I'm not man, like those old time thoughts of
Speaker 3: I'm not a man because I'm not providing for my family.
Speaker 3: I wish I could do more. I you know, you know,
Speaker 3: I have these thoughts. Even though she will say, you know,
Speaker 3: motivating things to me or positive things to me, I'll
Speaker 3: still feel that way. Internally. So have you and your
Speaker 3: husband dealt with that overcome that, Like, what's been that time?
Speaker 2: Nay?
Speaker 1: Make definitely, you know, he's you know, And I think
Speaker 1: it's because it's just not a precedent for it, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's not it wasn't as common. It's becoming a
Speaker 1: lot more common actually now, but for a long time,
Speaker 1: Like that's not what we were taught when we were kids, right,
Speaker 1: we were taught like dad goes out to work, Mom
Speaker 1: does like the house stuff, and even if mom has
Speaker 1: a job, she's still the one that you're kind of
Speaker 1: relying on, you know, when you come home from school.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's why it's kind of challenging.
Speaker 1: But I think you just have to work through it
Speaker 1: together and be frequently communicating about it. And so that's
Speaker 1: what my husband and I have done, and I think
Speaker 1: it was also here was one of the things that
Speaker 1: was super important for us, that was crucial in our
Speaker 1: relationship and like created a turning point with the whole
Speaker 1: breadwinner issue, and that was like he he needed to
Speaker 1: have his own money because I brought in literally one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of our income, right, and so he felt
Speaker 1: like he was spending my money all the time, and
Speaker 1: it was really and like he loves cars, he wants
Speaker 1: to buy car parts, he wants to work on his cars.
Speaker 3: He was, yeah, that's how I am. I'm a tinkerer,
Speaker 3: yes exactly.
Speaker 1: And so he felt like he couldn't do that because
Speaker 1: it's like it's just for him, it's not for the family.
Speaker 1: And so he was like not saying that he wanted that,
Speaker 1: but like putting it off and obviously upset about because
Speaker 1: he's like, I sacrifice so much. I work so hard
Speaker 1: for this family. I do so much for us, and
Speaker 1: I feel like I can enjoy my life because I
Speaker 1: don't have my own money. And I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: like let's get you your own money then, And we
Speaker 1: literally created a separate bank accounts, so we have like
Speaker 1: the main joint account where all of our money goes
Speaker 1: in together, you know, like all of my income and
Speaker 1: if he has stuff that goes on from time to
Speaker 1: time where he has money come in, and then he
Speaker 1: we have two separate bank accounts with like our play right,
Speaker 1: and so like there's a separate amount that's like automatically
Speaker 1: transferred into those two separate checking accounts. It's like Rachel's
Speaker 1: money and Dediaco's money and like so then he had
Speaker 1: his little his play money so he could do his thing,
Speaker 1: and he was so much happier it was insane. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I would have happily spent this money years ago, and
Speaker 1: you told me, I'm glad you're happier, Like it's less
Speaker 1: of an issue, you know, And I think it's just
Speaker 1: important that everybody knows, like here's how I'm valued, Here's
Speaker 1: how I'm adding value to our family life. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody needs to feel that, otherwise you feel crappy, you know.
Speaker 1: So I think having those conversations and just making sure
Speaker 1: like and for me, like I had to say more often,
Speaker 1: like I really appreciate what you did with the kids.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate how you took care of whatever. Like
Speaker 1: we just did a renovation here when we moved in
Speaker 1: to the ranch, and like he handled all of that.
Speaker 1: He dealt with all the plumbers and all the things,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have to do with that. And I
Speaker 1: have to say that member to say, like I appreciate you,
Speaker 1: and I need him to do the same for me, right,
Speaker 1: Like That's that's an important part of it. So and
Speaker 1: also therapy, you know, like therapy helps.
Speaker 3: To Oh yeah, we're big advocates about that. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was just I was just gonna ask you, does he reciprocate,
Speaker 3: you know, his gratitude to what you do as well,
Speaker 3: because like you said, that's I mean, it's equally as important.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. I think he does. And I mean
Speaker 1: we could both do it more, right, Like we could
Speaker 1: both be better about it. It's so funny. I had
Speaker 1: a friend who's a business owner, and she used to say,
Speaker 1: like her team needs to hear her praise and compliments
Speaker 1: from time to time, right, And so she had a
Speaker 1: reminder in her phone for like every Friday, give out
Speaker 1: cookies is what it was called. It was a reminder
Speaker 1: for her to like, oh, let me give out some
Speaker 1: compliments to people, like everybody on my team. And I
Speaker 1: feel like we should do that, Like we should just
Speaker 1: all put reminders on our phones, like like let me
Speaker 1: compliment my partner about something.
Speaker 3: Affirmation Fridays. Baby, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Yea, that's exactly.
Speaker 2: We kind of started that every day just saying like
Speaker 2: what we're grateful for each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we found ourselves starting the day almost feeling
Speaker 3: like enemies. Yeah, like because we're in a rut there
Speaker 3: for a while, and we're like, what you know, so
Speaker 3: the littlest things could just set us off or push
Speaker 3: us away. When it's like and I think it's been
Speaker 3: helpful the last few weeks. He's like waking up in
Speaker 3: the morning and just telling each other, Yeah, what we're
Speaker 3: grateful for, that we appreciate one another, because then you
Speaker 3: already feel connected, right instead of just a good morning,
Speaker 3: I love you. So that's definitely helped us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it has two for sure.
Speaker 1: I love that it's like a reframe of the day, right,
Speaker 1: Like you could start the day being cranky about whatever
Speaker 1: is going on, or you could start the day being grateful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for each other, because usually we do make
Speaker 2: each other out to be, you know, the enemy. But
Speaker 2: I will say though, for Mike, like he's he like
Speaker 2: is so great with a lot of the household stuff,
Speaker 2: and we really do do it together, like we're we're
Speaker 2: minus cooking. I don't I can't cook, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the two things that are more separate
Speaker 3: is like Jana pretty much does the laundry, especially pretty much,
Speaker 3: and then I do the cooking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything else and everything else.
Speaker 3: We just we both do. But those are our lanes
Speaker 3: of expertise.
Speaker 2: How And it's interesting too because when you say that,
Speaker 2: you know, gosh, would I love to hire a chef? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would love it. But I think I'm so fearful
Speaker 2: of you know, I've never I didn't grow up having money.
Speaker 2: My mom worked three jobs, you know, divorced family. It
Speaker 2: was like if I wanted something, I had to buy it,
Speaker 2: I had to work for it, I had to get it.
Speaker 2: And so now that you know I am seeing income
Speaker 2: and money, I think I'm so afraid to lose the
Speaker 2: money that I'm afraid to spend it on things that
Speaker 2: could potentially help me.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, see this is a prime example of a
Speaker 1: broken ass decision, right like, because and I grew up
Speaker 1: the same way like you know we I was embarrassed
Speaker 1: to use food stamps at the grocery store, like hoping
Speaker 1: my friends didn't come in so that they wouldn't see us,
Speaker 1: you know, So like I definitely had There was no
Speaker 1: one in my family I had been to college or
Speaker 1: grad school or any of that, you know, So I
Speaker 1: had that same story and experience. And you know, I think,
Speaker 1: here's here's what I want you to look at instead
Speaker 1: of thinking like, well, I don't know, I'm afraid to
Speaker 1: lose that money. It's almost like by making these sort
Speaker 1: of decisions that kind of keep us smaller, you're more
Speaker 1: likely to lose the money that way than you are
Speaker 1: if you keep building up support, because the more successful
Speaker 1: you become, the more support you need. And that's the reality.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is why, like you know, like Jeff Bezos,
Speaker 1: I'm sure probably the worst example, but like I'm sure
Speaker 1: he has a whole bunch of staff, right, Like the
Speaker 1: more and if you think about it, like you're creating
Speaker 1: this sort of microeconomy where all of these people around
Speaker 1: you are benefiting from the work that you're doing. By
Speaker 1: having a business, by having a podcast, right, by having
Speaker 1: certain things that you're creating in the world. There are
Speaker 1: other people that benefit from that. So how can you
Speaker 1: do more of that? Like to like it hurts me
Speaker 1: to know that you do laundry absolutely not outsource this, And.
Speaker 2: In my mid I'm like, oh, I got like, you know,
Speaker 2: right before the podcast, I was folding things and getting
Speaker 2: ready for what I do afterwards, and you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I just like we're making it obviously work.
Speaker 3: Jannah gets anxiety if she has nothing to do in
Speaker 3: every single moment. So it's almost like, and I love,
Speaker 3: I feel like I might be putting words in your mouth,
Speaker 3: but it's almost like time is money, right, is what
Speaker 3: you're saying. So if you're wasting time doing those things
Speaker 3: that aren't earning you money, then it's a waste of time.
Speaker 2: It's true though, because I mean there's so many things
Speaker 2: in the day that like I still have a list
Speaker 2: of things that I wish I would have done this
Speaker 2: year that I'm like, hey, if I maybe didn't do
Speaker 2: the laundry or these certain things, like I would have
Speaker 2: more time to like finally get a blog that I
Speaker 2: want to start doing, and like, you know, do other
Speaker 2: things that like I could really that could make money,
Speaker 2: you know, as opposed to me folding the laundry.
Speaker 1: And it's not just like I'm also a big advocate
Speaker 1: for self care because I think that's a part of
Speaker 1: making money, right, Like, instead of doing laundry on the weekends,
Speaker 1: like rest, you know, like actually sleep, like hang out
Speaker 1: with your kids, right, like do whatever restores you so
Speaker 1: that you start the week feeling energetic and like maybe
Speaker 1: ready to take on some of those other projects that
Speaker 1: you know, when you're starting something new, there's more lift involved,
Speaker 1: right versus keeping something going. So I think that's a
Speaker 1: big part of it as.
Speaker 2: Well as a business coach. I'm curious when there's because
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that DM me and you know,
Speaker 2: they either want to be a singer and actress, or
Speaker 2: they want to start a business, or they've got this
Speaker 2: idea or they've got this product, but they're like, you know,
Speaker 2: how do I even get started? Or they feel like
Speaker 2: they don't have the right connections. Are those like what
Speaker 2: do you say to those people to like to it's
Speaker 2: like do you put all your eggs in one basket
Speaker 2: or do you keep doing other things and then work
Speaker 2: your way into the one big basket? Right?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean there is the reality that we have
Speaker 1: we have to make money, right, So, like if you've
Speaker 1: got a vision or business or a creative endeavor that
Speaker 1: you want to pursue, like that's like a you do
Speaker 1: it as a side hustle while you're running your business,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's what I did when I was
Speaker 1: like starting my first business. I went to law school,
Speaker 1: I became a lawyer. I really wanted to start my
Speaker 1: own business because I didn't want to work at a
Speaker 1: crazy law firm where they like throw staplers at your
Speaker 1: head and scream at you all day.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And so you know, while I was doing like clerking
Speaker 1: for a judge, which was like my first job out
Speaker 1: of law school, I was like putting my plans in
Speaker 1: place for starting my own practice. And one of the
Speaker 1: best things I did was start like just connecting with
Speaker 1: people on Twitter and like meeting them, and then I
Speaker 1: started a blog to like start to build up an audience, right,
Speaker 1: so like, and then I just emailed everyone that I
Speaker 1: knew and was like, hey, I'm starting a law practice
Speaker 1: on September one, twenty ten. If you have these kinds
Speaker 1: of legal issues, I can help you do it. And
Speaker 1: I just put myself out there and that's how I
Speaker 1: got my first three clients. So as soon as my
Speaker 1: clerkship was over, I had three clients in hand, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't a lot of money. It's like embarrassing how
Speaker 1: little I charge them. But then that was enough to
Speaker 1: start to give me momentum and put myself out there
Speaker 1: and then eventually build a website and do other things. Right,
Speaker 1: It's like we think we need to have like the
Speaker 1: ten step planned for the next ten years. No, we
Speaker 1: just have to have the courage to take the first step,
Speaker 1: you know, and what is that? And we also have
Speaker 1: to like walk towards it. We can't just like wait
Speaker 1: for it to show up, you know. Yeah, we can't
Speaker 1: wait for it to come our way. You know.
Speaker 2: Well, Rachel, I, first of all, I'm excited for you too,
Speaker 2: because you have a book coming out on May fourth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. It's available for pre order right now.
Speaker 2: It's called We Should All Be Millionaires. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to go to Amazon right now and pre order that book.
Speaker 2: But just thank you for shedding some light and everyone
Speaker 2: can go to Hello seven dot co to read all
Speaker 2: about Rachel and her mission and all of your work
Speaker 2: that you're doing. So thank you for just being an
Speaker 2: inspiration for women and people out there to keep keep grinding,
Speaker 2: keep grinding, making that money. And but the next time
Speaker 2: I talk to you, Rachel, I'm gonna have a chef. Yes,
Speaker 2: you can't replace laundry.
Speaker 3: No more laundry, that would be great.
Speaker 2: I can't stand folding his socks. He's got so many socks.
Speaker 2: The man wears two pairs of socks on a day.
Speaker 2: So just imagine how many socks I'm having to unfold
Speaker 2: and refold. Lord Rachel, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Wine down and everyone go get her book. We should
Speaker 2: all be millionaires.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2: You're so sweet. Thank you. Okay, she is so fun.
Speaker 2: I love her energy. I don't know why it gives
Speaker 2: me anxiety to like, I'm like, why would I hire
Speaker 2: someone off for laundry? Like I can just do it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like because I'm so I
Speaker 2: don't want to waste not waste money, but because I'm like,
Speaker 2: you can do it all.
Speaker 3: You can take over the world.
Speaker 2: You can take over the world.
Speaker 3: I mean, I like her her concept though, because it
Speaker 3: is it's just coming down to time is money. And
Speaker 3: if if you're using the time instead of doing laundry
Speaker 3: to be doing something productive, then you're doing it for
Speaker 3: the right reason.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If you're doing it just not to do it, then
Speaker 3: we wouldn't be.
Speaker 2: I think I just have the mindset, Like I totally
Speaker 2: get it and I love it. I think I just
Speaker 2: have the mindset. I'm like, you can do it all,
Speaker 2: and you can save money in.
Speaker 3: The process, but you can also ask for help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you, and you got me, and I'm
Speaker 2: free exactly. I mean you want to, like, we can
Speaker 2: dress you up in a cute little thing, and you know,
Speaker 2: I can dress up and do the dishwasher and we
Speaker 2: can role play the hell out of this. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 2: So you teased the Kelly Clarkson thing earlier, and I
Speaker 2: really don't like want to get into their us. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to. It stinks because I never want
Speaker 2: us well, I never want people like talking about relationship,
Speaker 2: but our relationships out there, so it should be a
Speaker 2: topic of conversation. I'm not trying to get in there stuff,
Speaker 2: like I said, However, I do have feelings around it,
Speaker 2: and it bothers me.
Speaker 3: What Jana is alluding to is that Kelly's.
Speaker 2: X soon to.
Speaker 3: Be ex husband.
Speaker 2: Is asking for four hundred and thirty six thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a month in spousal support. And I brought it up
Speaker 2: to Mike and I was angry, Like I was so angry,
Speaker 2: and he's like why, He's like, what if what if
Speaker 2: the roles were reversed?
Speaker 3: What's Brandon Brandon block suck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's you know, manager, and his dad and was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, his dad's married to Reba was they got divorced.
Speaker 2: When divorced a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: They're married since like the eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and Mike brought.
Speaker 3: Up a good point like, yeah, if the if the
Speaker 3: roles were reversed.
Speaker 2: And here's what I say to that. I think it's
Speaker 2: I think what he's doing is extremely spiteful. He has money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's very spiteful because it's not like they've
Speaker 2: been married for years and years and years and years
Speaker 2: and he has been how many years have they been married?
Speaker 2: For it? Just it just feels very spiteful.
Speaker 3: Under ten years.
Speaker 2: It was like, uh, Easton, can you find out how.
Speaker 3: Long twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: Under ten years he has been working? He he has money,
Speaker 2: I know, like he's again a very successful guy, networks
Speaker 2: from a very successful family.
Speaker 3: Net worth around ten million apparently.
Speaker 2: Okay, he has a lot of money. It feels so
Speaker 2: spiteful that he's going to now take four hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty six thousand dollars in the money that she has
Speaker 2: worked her tail off for her fricking seven years. They've
Speaker 2: been married for seven years for her tail off for
Speaker 2: that just it like, as a woman, that makes me
Speaker 2: cringe inside and I want I'm angry for her because
Speaker 2: it's not fair. That's not his money. He did not
Speaker 2: work for that. Like, that's not his money, that is
Speaker 2: her money that she worked her ass off for.
Speaker 3: All right, let me ask you this, okay, okay, because
Speaker 3: I totally I get your point, I get your your
Speaker 3: energy behind it. Sorry, So you take your stereotypical what
Speaker 3: society thinks is the household roles. Right. You take a
Speaker 3: family like that, You take the husband who's making money
Speaker 3: and they realized it would be they would save more
Speaker 3: money if the wife would just stay at home and
Speaker 3: raise the kids.
Speaker 2: This is a different situation. Huh uh No, I would
Speaker 2: please continue, but I have a rebuttal for it, right.
Speaker 3: And say they get divorced? Okay? Would she not? Because
Speaker 3: what you're saying is Kelly works so hard for that
Speaker 3: money that she like it's unfair for him to take
Speaker 3: what she's earned and worked for. So would it be
Speaker 3: unfair for the housewife or house husband to take what
Speaker 3: their spouse has worked so hard for?
Speaker 2: Okay, Brandon hasn't. To my knowledge, Brandon has not stopped working.
Speaker 2: He's makes a lot of money as a manager. Let's take,
Speaker 2: for example, if it was one of our good friends.
Speaker 2: Let's just call her Wesley. Let's say that her end M.
Speaker 2: Joseph got divorced. They she quit her job because she
Speaker 2: decided to be a stay at home mom and raise
Speaker 2: the family, just like what you're saying, and be the
Speaker 2: She is entitled to half because she she has held
Speaker 2: the family together. She absolutely is entitled to half because
Speaker 2: they have been married for a long time, A long time. Okay,
Speaker 2: they've been married for twenty plus years. Okay, she's entitled
Speaker 2: to that money. No, go ahead, you're smarking.
Speaker 3: So, which I get because there is legality behind that,
Speaker 3: like if you've been married a certain amount of time,
Speaker 3: Like if you've been married like three years, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't think someone can necessarily take off, but seven years.
Speaker 2: I mean, so I have a question for you, okay,
Speaker 2: because like you said, with Rachel, I am technically the
Speaker 2: breadwinner of the family, right, I truly believe. And this
Speaker 2: is like I remember when we were going through divorced
Speaker 2: stuff and I was like, he is going to ask
Speaker 2: for spousal support and I'm going to want to run
Speaker 2: him over with my car. Like I just remember having
Speaker 2: that feeling of being like because it's like if there's
Speaker 2: some kind of like not pride, but like I'm like,
Speaker 2: I have worked my tailor off and he's going to
Speaker 2: come now because of his poor decisions that have most
Speaker 2: likely ended his marriage, he is going to now take
Speaker 2: spousal support from me. And you say you're not, but
Speaker 2: I just can tell by the smirk of your face.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't, though.
Speaker 2: Lies because you believe that you also have put in
Speaker 2: the work in the miles to have to earn some
Speaker 2: of that capital, which I don't.
Speaker 3: That's not false, So then you would not saying that.
Speaker 3: And I've even told you this when we're discussing this,
Speaker 3: not on a podcast, just with one another. I said
Speaker 3: I wouldn't out of spite, out of principle, just to
Speaker 3: show you that you're not right that I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 3: So I would not take it out of spite. But yes,
Speaker 3: then you think about the relationships out there where maybe
Speaker 3: they haven't been twenty plus years, but the other person
Speaker 3: does sacrifice, make sacrifices so one person can be more
Speaker 3: available for opportunities.
Speaker 2: I mean, again, I totally hear you on that. It's
Speaker 2: just if that is the conversation that was had, if
Speaker 2: you've had a conversation saying I'm going to stay home
Speaker 2: because this is going to benefit the household. That's a
Speaker 2: totally different scenario, one thousand percent different scenario. Then you
Speaker 2: would be I believe that person would be entitled to
Speaker 2: having of course spousil support in some kind of check.
Speaker 2: But that is what you have to agree on beforehand,
Speaker 2: Like like if you know, if like you're staying like
Speaker 2: you're not staying home, like you don't have a you know,
Speaker 2: because you're the state at home dad. You're not a
Speaker 2: stay at home dad. That's your decision, right.
Speaker 3: But quitting my leaving my medical sales job, regardless of
Speaker 3: other reasons. Part of that was the flexibility because I
Speaker 3: was available, more available to go places with you that
Speaker 3: you had to do for work to be there with
Speaker 3: the kids. So you could go to a movie shoot
Speaker 3: or go film something, or go do music shows and
Speaker 3: bring the kids, or have a travel partner. So that
Speaker 3: was a very high pro on the list of me
Speaker 3: leaving my quote unquote normal job.
Speaker 2: Would you like to get a normal job again?
Speaker 3: No, because then if I do, then it's like, well,
Speaker 3: why do you have to work today? Why can't you
Speaker 3: just like take off and like not go and come with.
Speaker 2: Me say what I would never say that, Mark. I
Speaker 2: need your input on this, buddy good.
Speaker 8: Because I've been chomping at the bit to get.
Speaker 5: I look a couple of things, so many thoughts coming
Speaker 5: through my head. One is, it would break my heart
Speaker 5: if you two split up. If you did, I think
Speaker 5: Mike should get spousal support. What I do, I think
Speaker 5: that whichever spouse makes more should help out the other
Speaker 5: one in that situation.
Speaker 2: For how long I think it does? For how long I.
Speaker 8: He does enough for how uh well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: What I would do is I would just give him
Speaker 2: an amount and say you need to take it or
Speaker 2: leave it because I can't I it. I feel like,
Speaker 2: I mean, just like Kelly's wealth was established before her marriage. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm sure she made a ton while they were married,
Speaker 2: for sure, but she was Kelly Clarkston like she has
Speaker 2: what she's Kelly clark Clarkson, Kelly Clarkson, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: she like she she is who she is and so
Speaker 2: and I just don't think like it literally makes me
Speaker 2: sick to think that I would that he again would
Speaker 2: just be sitting on the sidelines, just getting a check
Speaker 2: and not working. That's not okay with me.
Speaker 8: Game again.
Speaker 6: But the example you gave earlier about the wife quitting
Speaker 6: her career to stay home with the kids. There's plenty
Speaker 6: of divorces where the wife has a nanny and sits
Speaker 6: on the couch all day and they get a divorce
Speaker 6: and she takes the rich husband for a ton of money,
Speaker 6: and the reaction from women is get it girl, yeah right.
Speaker 3: Double edged sword.
Speaker 2: That No, it's not, because that's the agreement that you
Speaker 2: have to have with your spouse. It's if you're if
Speaker 2: you're a state at home mom, you don't get a
Speaker 2: nanny like that is your job. Your job is to
Speaker 2: be a stay at home mom and do the thing.
Speaker 8: Family is different.
Speaker 7: I mean some it is and some it isn't, and
Speaker 7: it depends on the situation. I think that whoever makes
Speaker 7: the most should help out the other one to put
Speaker 7: no matter what how involved they were in the how
Speaker 7: homemaking or child.
Speaker 3: Rearing, because then if ten years down the road, it's like, no,
Speaker 3: this whole time it was my money, even though my
Speaker 3: money was paying for our stuff, Like you could just
Speaker 3: take the rug from out from under them at any
Speaker 3: point in time.
Speaker 2: I think if you go into the marriage you should have.
Speaker 2: It should be your money, their money, and that's what
Speaker 2: you leave with. Because especially in this kind of situation
Speaker 2: where they both have money, he should take his money,
Speaker 2: she should take her money. And I feel like he's
Speaker 2: being spiteful because I have another friend that I hid,
Speaker 2: you know, celebrity divorce. She takes her money, he takes
Speaker 2: his money, and that's just what it is, because it's
Speaker 2: spiteful to go after you know, and she could have
Speaker 2: gone after him easily, could have gone after him for
Speaker 2: a lot of money. Like what I'm genuinely trying to
Speaker 2: say is if two people have money that came into
Speaker 2: the marriage with money and have money, I think they
Speaker 2: should just go their separate ways and say, all right,
Speaker 2: you get this, you get that. But as with this
Speaker 2: apostle support, it just seems to me. And again I
Speaker 2: don't know their marriage. I don't know their relationship, but
Speaker 2: I do know that they both make money. It just
Speaker 2: seems to me that it's very spiteful, and that bothers
Speaker 2: me because yes, I am a woman and I work
Speaker 2: hard too, and I know how hard she's worked for
Speaker 2: her stuff, and knowing that he from what I've seen
Speaker 2: and know in the industry that he does have money.
Speaker 2: It just sits very ugly to me.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Okay, if in our situation, Okay,
Speaker 3: if say I was still playing football and I was
Speaker 3: making the money that I was making, and the same
Speaker 3: things happened in our relationship and we got divorced, would
Speaker 3: you seek.
Speaker 2: Financials If I wasn't, would I be doing what I'm
Speaker 2: doing now?
Speaker 3: Just then if five years ago, five.
Speaker 2: Years ago, here's here's my thing, I would ask for
Speaker 2: child support because obviously that's that's different how child support
Speaker 2: Because you're a father, you should pay for child support
Speaker 2: if the mom takes care of the kids. I'm not
Speaker 2: asking for spousal support. I would never. I don't want
Speaker 2: your money. I'm the kind I want. I've worked my
Speaker 2: butt off for. I don't want your money. I want
Speaker 2: my money and I and I need that. But child
Speaker 2: supports different. Everybody has to pay child support. If I
Speaker 2: would have to probably pay essentially child support to you.
Speaker 2: But the spousal support, when two people have money and
Speaker 2: someone goes after it just seems very spiteful. Now again,
Speaker 2: if it's a stay at home mom and you know,
Speaker 2: or stay at home dad and that was their agreement
Speaker 2: that they don't work, then I don't. Then of course
Speaker 2: they should. They should get support because that's been there,
Speaker 2: that's their thing, that's there. They they're the ones that
Speaker 2: held the family together. They should absolutely be compensated for
Speaker 2: the fact that they couldn't go out and get a job.
Speaker 3: All right, Mark, what's your question? I want to hear
Speaker 3: that well.
Speaker 5: And also also so just to clarify, you have no
Speaker 5: problem with Brandon getting child support from Kelly.
Speaker 2: No, because he'll still need you know, because that is
Speaker 2: just in the court of law. I think where that
Speaker 2: is the child, that money is for the child. Now
Speaker 2: if he goes and uses it elsewhere, I don't know
Speaker 2: how that works, but I I I think that every
Speaker 2: if you get divorced, people should pay child support if
Speaker 2: you're But again, here's the thing. She's now the primary person,
Speaker 2: so I don't think she'll have to pay child support.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how it works. I really don't
Speaker 2: know like that world too much, but I think absolutely
Speaker 2: child support is something you should always pay.
Speaker 5: I think the other element of this and the other
Speaker 5: reason people are really upset with Brandon is and again
Speaker 5: we don't know. There does seem to be a general
Speaker 5: perception that he shoulders most of the blame for the
Speaker 5: end of that marriage, right.
Speaker 8: Yes, that seems to be the case. It seems to be.
Speaker 5: What I'm seeing on social media is people say it's
Speaker 5: his fault and now he's asking for all this money.
Speaker 8: So I get that element of it as well.
Speaker 5: Here's my question for you too, which I think everybody
Speaker 5: listening now is thinking after this conversation this past hour.
Speaker 8: Do you two have a pre nup?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: What we have as a post nup. So when we
Speaker 2: went into our marriage, my business managers in the very
Speaker 2: beginning in management, said you need to get a prenup
Speaker 2: and I said, no, I do not want a prenup.
Speaker 2: I don't want it to be like that. This is
Speaker 2: us together. And when he went to rehab for the
Speaker 2: sex addiction stuff, I sent him a post up and said,
Speaker 2: you will sign this or I'm out, like because I don't. Yeah, So, yes,
Speaker 2: we technically have a post up.
Speaker 3: So yeah, which again I even you said it doesn't
Speaker 3: who knows how much weight it holds. But we're not
Speaker 3: planning it on a crossing any of those paths.
Speaker 8: Right, and you understood why she wanted that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that in that absolutely. In that moment too,
Speaker 3: I was willing to do anything, and so signing a
Speaker 3: piece of paper was nothing for me. Well, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't give it because I'm not going to put
Speaker 3: ourselves in this kind of situation.
Speaker 2: You know where I think, Mark I go and where
Speaker 2: it gets No, how do I say this? Like, I
Speaker 2: feel like if we were to end the marriage, most
Speaker 2: likely would be because of something from the past had
Speaker 2: come back and a pattern was repeated.
Speaker 3: Most likely aka most likely be Mike's fault.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to you.
Speaker 3: Said that in the kindest of ways.
Speaker 2: He was trying to be like, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, no no Incredibles reference. It's such a good
Speaker 2: part in that movie. I think it would be really
Speaker 2: hard for me to then pay him spousal support because
Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't want this, and now I'm paying
Speaker 2: you for your mistakes like it. That's what I think
Speaker 2: is where my anger comes from, because I do love you, sweetheart,
Speaker 2: but you are a very spiteful, mean person at times,
Speaker 2: and I feel like it would you would absolutely do
Speaker 2: what Brainon's doing.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry you feel that way. I told you I
Speaker 3: would do it out of spite not.
Speaker 2: To Okay, we have it on record now that why
Speaker 2: I don't. We can and I know that I can
Speaker 2: be too, you know at times we can both be mean,
Speaker 2: you know, and I just I think that's what bothers
Speaker 2: me because it's like, I don't I don't want a divorce.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do any of those things. You know.
Speaker 2: But you know, but you know what if it's something
Speaker 2: were to happen and then you were to come climbing
Speaker 2: up the money tree, I'd be like, Man, I didn't
Speaker 2: want any of this. I don't want separate holidays. That's
Speaker 2: why I stayed married. That literally, Mark, that was the
Speaker 2: reason why I stayed in the very beginning was because
Speaker 2: I'm like, because of his decisions, now I don't get
Speaker 2: to be with my kids on Christmas morning or create No,
Speaker 2: how dare you? Like I was out of spite, I stayed.
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, though I know it's
Speaker 3: not like the same face from like five.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm sorry, it's just like but it's like, how
Speaker 2: dare you don't get to take that from me? That like,
Speaker 2: how like no, because of your decisions? I mean, I
Speaker 2: could see how someone would get so angry about that.
Speaker 5: I agree, it doesn't seem like the best reason to
Speaker 5: stand in relationship, but I agree one hundred percent there's
Speaker 5: nothing there's no scenario that would make that the desired
Speaker 5: outcome to be sharing holidays like.
Speaker 2: That, I know, and it's just, you know, the messy
Speaker 2: like divorce is just so messy, and I hate it
Speaker 2: for Kelly, and I hate it for Brandon again because
Speaker 2: I don't know their situation. So I'm sorry if we
Speaker 2: even stepped in it. But I think it was more
Speaker 2: just to kind.
Speaker 3: Of just the principle is what we're talkingalking about. We're
Speaker 3: not even really talking about specifically. Then it's just that
Speaker 3: whole principle of the money aspect.
Speaker 2: But it did just I'm glad. I'm not the only person.
Speaker 2: I didn't know if it left other people a little angry,
Speaker 2: so other people have been heightened about it.
Speaker 8: Oh definitely. I mean, plus, she's America's sweetheart.
Speaker 5: I mean, anything bad happen with the Kelly Clarkson, everyone
Speaker 5: feels bad about it because.
Speaker 8: She couldn't be the nice She's the nicest person around.
Speaker 8: So I get it.
Speaker 5: I get where people are coming from, especially under the
Speaker 5: circumstances that are rumored.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I definitely think it's a spiteful move.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not defending it at all, but yeah,
Speaker 3: there's other scenarios too.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: Here's to hopefully not divorce in twenty twenty one for
Speaker 2: everyone listening, because we want you guys to here we go,
Speaker 2: drum roll, please fight the.
Speaker 3: Good fight, perfect perfect plug.
Speaker 2: We love you, guys. Thanks for the great Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was fun. I'm excited for I'm excited for Christmas, you are.
Speaker 2: What Mike and I have been doing is we've been
Speaker 2: watching a Christmas movie every Friday. So on Christmas is
Speaker 2: obviously Friday. So every Friday this month, sit down with
Speaker 2: your honey and watch a Christmas movie. Al Right, bye, guys.
Speaker 3: See yeah,