1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know? 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: From House stoff Works dot com? Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: the podcast. Yes, it's about antiques on Josh Clark. There's 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: a very eager, strangely eager Charles W. Chuck Bryant, uh, 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: and this is stuff you should know. The podcast, the 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: hundred year old podcast at least makes us an antique. 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: Do you can tell though from the hair in my 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: ears that I'm getting up there? Yeah? Nose hair, ear hair. 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: That's That's the joke about man, right, is that hair 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: leaves the places you want it and accumulates where you 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: don't want so, Chuck Um, you know how you think 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: about certain things, and uh, you come across like a 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: concept like antiques. You're collecting and buying and selling of 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: old stuff. That's my definition. But I think it's pretty 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: much dead on um And you think this has always 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: been around and you stop and think, no, that's probably 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: not true. So when did it start? And I am 19 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: very gratified to say we know when the popular obsession 20 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: with antiques began? Isn't that weird? I didn't know this 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: until I read this, and it actually ties in with 22 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: the other one recording today, Volcanos. So here's a little 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: piece of trivia for you that will eventually appear on 24 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: a quiz. How are antiques and the volcanoes podcast related? 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: Strange glue Herculaneum and Pompeii. Mount Vesuvius binds these two, right, 26 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: So tell them about it, Chuckers. Well, there was a 27 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: big old eruption in seventy nine, a d of Vesuvius, 28 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: and it pretty much buried Pompeii and the sister city, 29 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: Herculaneum between about twenty ft of junk of ash. Well, 30 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: we'll get to that in the vault, which is not 31 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's a bad thing for all the people there, 32 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: but the bad thing who died screaming, but it preserved 33 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: them dying screaming. I used to be so obsessed with that, 34 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: with national anything I could get my hands on, and 35 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: it was like, look at that skeleton crawling towards the sea. 36 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: Look at this guy who was caught in a boat's yeah, 37 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: I loved it. So uh many years after that, Charles 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: the third of Spain and the seventeen early sevent undred 39 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: said hey, let's go dig this stuff up and see 40 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: what we can find. And it turns out they found 41 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: a bunch of well preserved antiques and they became like, wow, 42 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: old stuff is cool. Right, So these two entire cities 43 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: were basically frozen in time and protected from looters, and 44 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: they started bringing these treasures up and it actually sparked 45 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: the neo classical period or movement, I guess in Europe, 46 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: and that was like the antiques right, and then in America. 47 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: So that's worldwide antiques or at least western uh popularity 48 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: of antiques. Right, what about American? Right? We can actually 49 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: trace the moment where Americans get interested in antiques too. 50 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: It's it's I love this very cool. Once again, our 51 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: our seventeen seventy six. You know, America is a young, 52 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: budding country. A hundred years later, we celebrate our first 53 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: little centennial in Philadelphia and they said, hey, you know what, 54 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: We've got a hundred years worth of stuff we've been 55 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: making and let's let's showcase this. And all of a 56 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: sudden people were like the same thing, like wow, this 57 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: is kind of cool. I like this old stuff that 58 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: we've got. That's exactly right, And that sparked an interest 59 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: in early American furniture, I think to start with, right, 60 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start buying it and I'm gonna start collecting it, 61 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: and it became a commodity. Right. So, Um, the the 62 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: eighteen seventies six exposition was what sparked an interest in 63 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: antiques in the US. Uh. And if you so, we're 64 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: going to focus mostly on American antiques, and by mostly 65 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean exclusively, right, Well, a little Europe thrown in, Okay, 66 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: so not exclusively, but mostly was. Um. But if you 67 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: are an antique collector today, and you are a very 68 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: puritanical one could say antique collector, um, you're probably going 69 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: to say that anything prior to eighteen thirty, UM, in 70 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: America and probably anywhere is an antique. Anything after it's 71 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: kind of up in the air. And the reason being 72 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: is around eighteen thirty the Industrial Revolution started. People stopped 73 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: using like dovetailed joints that they sawed by hand or 74 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: whittled down by hand and using wooden pegs and started 75 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: using machines. Stopped. But yeah, well it fell for mass 76 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: manufacturing exactly. So this advent of mass manufacturing led to 77 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: a huge boom in um in in production. Coupled with 78 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: this new interest post like eighteen seventy six in early 79 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: American furniture, and so a revival of these styles, right, 80 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,239 Speaker 1: So you have mass manufacturing and a revival of interest 81 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: in early American styles mean that you have a lot 82 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: of reproduction furniture being produced. Yeah, but reproduction furniture is 83 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: is what you want us the real deal, right, which 84 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: is period. So period is something made in the style 85 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: of the period in the age in that age like 86 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: Queen Anne. Sure not Queen Anne reproduction or Chippendale reproduction, which, 87 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: by the way, is the sexiest furniture period in American 88 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: history if you ask me. Those uh the little cuffs 89 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: and nothing. But yeah, yeah, I'll a picture when I 90 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: hear that is swayzy and what a classic one. Heppa White, Cheriton, 91 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: Duncan Fife, just a name of you, Yes, of our heroes. Yeah, 92 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: those are the those are the big ones. And I'm 93 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: sure if you're really into this you could you can 94 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: be like Duncan Fife. Yeah. I go for Duncan Hines. Yeah, 95 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: Duncan Chic. Remember that guy. It sounds really familiar. He 96 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: hes a singer. He had a song which one I 97 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: can't remember he was. He's a one hit guy. Well, Chuck, yes, Uh, 98 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: if you are getting in do antiques, right, you probably 99 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: already know all this stuff. Um way into it. But 100 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: let's say let's say that you are you really uh no, 101 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm into walking around antique flea markets, but I'm not. 102 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: I don't know you know what I'm doing. I just 103 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: like tooling around and poking things. Yeah, you know, it's funny. Um. 104 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: I think Billy Bob Thornton wrote possibly one of the 105 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: greatest lines in the history of film, and he said 106 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: something about he made um Dwight yoakum saying sling blade 107 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: that he can barely drink a glass water around a 108 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: piece of antique furniture. So awful and so funny in 109 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: that movie at the same time. It's a good line. Um. 110 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: I like walking around antique places too. I don't like 111 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: encountering antique wheelchairs or antique medical equipment. I love that stuff. 112 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: It's so freaky. Well, I don't use it. But yeah, 113 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: well you really shouldn't like probably not sterile any longer. Um. 114 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: But okay, so let's let's say that you are not 115 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: completely versed in in antiques what to look for. We're 116 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: gonna give you a brief primer here, and since we 117 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: are owned by Discovery Communications aka the Discovery Channel, we 118 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: get to draw from the company well and talk to 119 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: people once in a while who have shows on Discovery, 120 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: specifically in this one, a guy named Paul Brown who 121 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: heads up a show called Auction Kings. Right, he owns 122 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: a Gallery sixty three which is literally just up the 123 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: road a piece from a San Roswell road. I'm gonna 124 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: have to visit that. And he is a an auction king. 125 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: I've seen it myself with my own eyes, and we 126 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: talked to him actually, so he's gonna come in a 127 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: little bit um here there. When you hear someone that 128 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: sounds like they're on the telephone and it's not us, right, yeah, 129 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: well we'll we'll teake him up a little better than that. 130 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: But that to give rule of thumb I think for 131 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: this one. Um. But what Paul says and what it 132 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: what it expresses in this article how antiques work, um, 133 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: is that the first way to differentiate a real antique, 134 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: a period piece from a reproduction piece, um and kind 135 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: of get an idea of how much value this thing 136 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: is gonna hold ultimately is just by looking it over. 137 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: That's the first best thing you can do is take 138 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: a really good hard look at it, right, So, uh, 139 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: what are some of the things we're looking for? Well, uh, 140 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: just at first glance, I would say overall condition, like 141 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: what kind of shape it's in. And this is not 142 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: to determine whether it's real or fake. This is just 143 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: if you're assuming it's a real antique because apparently high 144 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: quality fakes. Don't be afraid of that, because it's pretty 145 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: rare to to pass one off, to try and pass 146 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: one off, although Paul said in an interview that he 147 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: just came across one right, like he had gotten off 148 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: a call with a buddy who informed him that something 149 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: he was thinking about or somebody was trying to sell 150 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: him was in fact a fake faberge, like right before 151 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: we interviewed him. So he said, it does happen. It's 152 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: very uncommon, especially with furniture too. It's so difficult to 153 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: do this. So what you're really looking for is not 154 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: necessarily a counterfeit, but a reproduction, right it exactly? So, 155 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: um here here's here are a couple of tips that 156 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: Paul gave us. Right, a cursory glance will tell you'll 157 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: tell a lot of tales I mean even to to 158 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: an inexperienced eye, if you open up the doors and 159 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: you see there, you know, nails or uh holding it 160 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: together rather than dovetails in Morrison tennant joints, and you 161 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: know it's probably of later manufacturer. Um. You know, evenly 162 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: evenly cut nails were not even made until you know 163 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: this center. We're not this century, laugh, it's the twentieth century. 164 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: It's probably that the most nails were handmade. And so 165 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: if you've got a lot of evenly cut nails looks 166 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: like they were driven in there with a nail gun, 167 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a big that's a big tip off. 168 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: So there's a couple of things you look for in Yeah, 169 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean craftsmanship, how it was put together is uh. 170 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: I mean they're still craftsman today doing things in the 171 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: old school way, but by and large when you look 172 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: at the joints and the tools might leave marks, yes, um, 173 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: hardware used like nails, Like Paul said, Yeah, so that's 174 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: what you're gonna look forward to determine if it was 175 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, probably a reproduction or not. And then what 176 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: the stuff is made out of is actually going to 177 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: um leave a lot of clues to specifically with furniture. Um, 178 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: the wood used, it's very important. Right, So for example, chuck, 179 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: you've got um. Like walnut was very popular with Queen Anne, 180 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: which apparently ran from the early eighteenth century to about 181 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: seventeen fifty when Chippendale took over. Right, we know so 182 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: much about the wood used an antique furniture. It's a uh, 183 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: Mahogany came in the fashion after that, right, and then 184 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: a cherry, which is sort of like mahogany, it's just 185 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: a little paler, very strong and abundant here in the 186 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: old us of A. So that was pretty popular as well. Yeah, 187 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: oak has always been popular. Yeah. Oka is especially popular 188 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: among Europeans before the beginning of the eighteenth century, and 189 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: then it had some renewed popularity in America around nineteen hundred. 190 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: I personally don't go for oak that much. I like 191 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: either really pale blonde maple, hate wind. Do you really 192 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: like maple? I just don't like pale. I don't like 193 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: blond wood. It reminds me of ikea. Yeah, I think 194 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons I like it that look 195 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: it's like minimal and it's really cold outside. Uh. And 196 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: then Chuck there's also um pine, right, poor pine. Pine 197 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: is um. Well, let's just go ahead and say it. 198 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: It's the the poor person's would when you're manufacturing furniture, 199 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: your country folk, your rural you just want a chair 200 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: to sit in. Maybe you're really good at making a chair, 201 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: so a hundred and fifty two hundred years later, somebody 202 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: wants to pay top dollar for that. But for the 203 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: most part, pine is used for the undersides of the backings, uh, 204 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: the drawers, insides of of a piece of furniture. Right, yeah, 205 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: but wood floor is actually hard to pine floors. That's 206 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: what we have in our house. That's those are. Yeah, 207 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: those are like a find. Apparently there's a guy done 208 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: in Florida. Um. Apparently there's a logging operation in like 209 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century in Florida, and they would fell this 210 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: pine and float it down the river to the sawmill. 211 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: Every once in a while, something would be Uh it 212 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: was so dense it would just sink. And it happened 213 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: a lot and they just leave them. But for some reason, 214 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: the composition of the water, I think it was like 215 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: this brackish combination of stea and fresh water. Um, somehow 216 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: preserve these these trees these huge trees, and there's a 217 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: company that brings these things up in salvages, these this 218 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: nineteenth century heart pine and sells it for like top 219 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: dollars lumber. Yeah, we haven't had this exact conversation before. 220 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: It was a while ago though, which which pod. It 221 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: was a long time ago, but it bears saying. I 222 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: think I think I'm going in saying this is so cool. 223 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: So it's like, why are you laughing? But I like pines, 224 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: So that's why I said, poor pine, um, plywood and 225 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: particle board. That's a dead giveaway that it's not an antique. 226 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: Don't be stupid. As our staples, we should mention staples 227 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: are a hallmark of twentieth century manufacture. Exactly, condition of 228 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: the wood you should look at that is what shrink Yeah, 229 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: so it shrinks and it leaves a lot of clues. Right, 230 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: so you know the bottom of a drawer, you know 231 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: how in a really good construction it's kind of slatted in. Yeah, 232 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: so as it shrinks, it's not going to be flush 233 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: any longer. And not only will that shrinkage be a 234 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: dead giveaway, but that that portion, that the shrunken part, 235 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: the now exposed part, should be lighter in color and 236 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: the stuff that's been exposed to underwear for the last 237 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: two years underwear. Yeah. Um. Also that you know, they 238 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: used to use a pegs a lot of times to 239 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: as simple furniture. So if if the pegs are have 240 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: worked their themselves out a little bit, that's probably a 241 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: good uh sign that there's been some shrinkage going on 242 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: in the underwear drawer. Uh. What else we talked about pegs, 243 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: dovetail joints. I think Paul mentioned dovetail joints and mortis 244 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: and tenon joints are really, you know, a hallmark of 245 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: early craftsmanship. So you look for those tools handstanding. It's 246 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: gonna look different than machine standing, as is a hand 247 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: saw rather than like the perfect straight edge of a 248 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: saw mill saw. You can actually, if you know what 249 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: you're doing, you can kind of roughly date what like 250 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: the age of your piece of furniture by the saw marks. Right. Um. 251 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: So you're gonna want to look at the back of 252 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: a chair or the drawer. It's an inconspicuous area that 253 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: they probably didn't bother to sand. Um. If there are straight, 254 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: irregular marks, that's pre eighteen thirty. Uh. If they're straight 255 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: even marks. That means that it was around eighteen thirty sawmills. 256 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: We're cutting these straight even marks, perfectly straight. And then 257 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: circular marks came in about eighteen fifty, when the Industrial 258 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: Revolution was really starting to take off. People like, our 259 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: furniture doesn't have to be square anymore. Yes, you know, 260 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: it really took me. And this one was when I 261 00:14:53,600 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: read this sentence. Nails were originally made forged individually. I mean, 262 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: does that really hit home? Do you think how many 263 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: nails it takes to build a structure, and the blacksmith 264 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: had to make every nail one at a time. That's 265 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: why the blacksmith was usually the man to go crazy 266 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: on the rest of the town and kill everyone in 267 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: their sleep. Yeah, with something made of heavy metal, probably 268 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: that's what I would use. Uh, where are we here 269 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: buying them? You wanna talk about buying antiques? Yeah, and um, 270 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: we should probably say that. You know, if you're into antiques, 271 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: especially if you're really an antiques, you're probably doing it 272 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: at least partially for profit, right, hoping to maybe make 273 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: a little money off of it. Well, Paul pointed out 274 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: that you should buy you should only buy something if 275 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: you like it. At excellent point. I thought that was 276 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: a great point. Usually you're looking you know, you think 277 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: it's worth something as well, right, And we asked him 278 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: about value, like how does an antique get valued? And 279 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: here's what he said. For worth is what you can 280 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: get somebody to pay for it on a given day, 281 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: not what in you know, insurance company or a museum 282 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: or in you know, a quote expert says it's worth. 283 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: So you know what the biggest factor is, supplying the man, 284 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: how many people in the audience want it. You know, 285 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: I bring something up that five people want, it's going 286 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: to bring more than than somebody might have thought it 287 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: was worth if it comes out and it's you know, 288 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: only one person wants it or nobody wants it, whether 289 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: it's going to bring less, but the reality is that's 290 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: that's what it was worth that day in this building. 291 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's just kind of a weird dynamic. 292 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: Worth is a is a real funny thing. It's it's 293 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: it's like trying to nail jello. So that was Paul 294 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: once again, Josh I could tell he was on the phone. 295 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: He was on the phone. Uh, if you if you 296 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: don't know anything and you want to learn something, about antiques. 297 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: Here's some advice from how staff works dot com. Just 298 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: start buying things. Will now go to a museum, because 299 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: museums are a great place to You're gonna you're gonna 300 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: know it's real, it's authenticated by pro It's probably gonna 301 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: be grouped by either the manufacturer of the period, so 302 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: you get like a really specific view of what you're 303 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: looking at it and then probably be identified by the maker. 304 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: And you might have a docent there that has some 305 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: like history. So that's a really good place to learn 306 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: about this stuff. Yeah, there's usually somebody there you can 307 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: say what does this mean? Or why is that there? 308 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: And they go move along. Yeah uh. And then the 309 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: next thing, you know, that chairs out there any longer 310 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: because you just exposed it as a fraud, much like 311 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: the um Brewster chair. Right, yes, have you heard about this? 312 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: And I talked about another podcast or something. No, that's 313 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: known as the greatest hoax of all time, greatest antique 314 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: hoax of all time, greatest antique furniture hoax of all time. 315 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: Let's get specific here, huh that let it know that well, 316 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: think about it's a chair. Surely there's other antique hoaxes. Well, 317 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: this is the greatest, This is the Ali This is 318 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: the O. J. Simpson Trial of Antiques. So the Ford 319 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: Museum was taken by a chair that was supposedly created 320 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: by pilgrims from the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Right, Yeah, but 321 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: they weren't taken by the chair. They were taken by 322 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: La Montaigne armand Lamont. He sounds like a fake furniture guy. 323 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: He sounds like a forger armand La Montaigne faked the 324 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: Brewster chair just to see if he could fool the experts. 325 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: And he did. Yeah, which apparently is quite popular and 326 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: especially was in the seventies or hoaxx all over the place. 327 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: Have you seen f is for fake? No? Okay, you 328 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: know our buddy recommended this movie. It's the Orson Wells 329 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: documentary on art forgery. Okay, so we saw it, right, 330 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: you mean I watched it. It's very interesting. It's the 331 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: Who's Well I thought he was talking about the Doors 332 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: and Walls TV show when he had Burt Reynolds on. No, 333 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: but it's in the it's in a similar stylus, really 334 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 1: edited very strangely, right, But the content of it is 335 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: um Clifford Irving, the guy who faked the biography of um. 336 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: Howard Hughes also wrote a biography on a great art 337 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: forger named Elmir, and Elmir is like this guy who's like, 338 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: I just do this to show that all the experts 339 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: are idiots and I've never signed anything, and I toss everything. 340 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: And his biographer, who actually turns out to be a 341 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: hoax himself, Clifford Irving, is like that, it's not true. 342 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: That guy is fraudulent and he's making money off of it. 343 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: But it makes a good point that we you said 344 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: in the museum, you're gonna be able to probably rely 345 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: on it being legitimate. That's where you can really learn 346 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: the point of this movie is that's not necessarily true. 347 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: I mean, like, if you can pass something by the experts, 348 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: then it's legitimate and in just about everyone's eyes, and 349 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: that apparently is fairly rampant in the art world. Yeah. Well, 350 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: the Brister chair, though, they put it through an X 351 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: ray and they were they were all of a sudden, 352 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: they were like, ah, yeah, La Montage, Yeah. La Montage 353 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: had said, like, you know, I faked the chair like 354 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: several a couple of decades ago, and you bought it. 355 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: Somebody bought it and then now they used that chair 356 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: though as an example of how to be not be duped. 357 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: I guess what do they? What does Oprah call that? 358 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: At a learning moment or a teaching moment? Yeah, I 359 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: think something like that. So uh, if you have learned 360 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: a few things here and you do want to buy antiques, 361 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: where should he go? H? Well, you said the museums, 362 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: and you're ready to buy and just start anywhere you can. 363 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: If you go to a small town in small in 364 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: America and you close your eyes and just start walking 365 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: forward and don't get hit by a car going around 366 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: the square, you're going to run into an antique store. Yes, 367 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: And depending on the size of the shop, if it's 368 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: like a smallest shop, then that means probably that the 369 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: shop owner picked out all the antiques because there's things 370 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: that they like in things that they think will sell. 371 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: Or like a flea market, they'll usually have little booths 372 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: and you can rent out your own little booth and 373 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: sell stuff. So you'll probably get like a big wide 374 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: variety there. That's right. Um where else? Well, auctions if 375 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: you want to, if you want to add a little 376 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: zing to your antiques or your antique buying experience, experience 377 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: right to the auction is very much like an experience, 378 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: and you get to buy stuff too, right. Um, And 379 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 1: we talked to Paul about this. We'll bring him back 380 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: in a second. But if you want to really kind 381 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: of hone your hangling skills or you know, just kind 382 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: of know your limits, you can start off in a 383 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: small store and just go basically abuse the store owner 384 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: and then hone and go to a couple of auctions 385 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: and by boom, by being you might be ready. But 386 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: this is what you're in for. It's not nearly as 387 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: um scary as we've been made to believe. Apparently what auctions, Yeah, listen, 388 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: listen to pul check. The auction can be Uh, it's 389 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: nature almost. I think maybe Howard did it or I 390 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: don't know what happened exactly, but um, you know, a 391 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: lot of people are intimidated by the auction process. What 392 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: I always encourage people do is come in early, you know, 393 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: maybe come in the week before and take a look around, preview, 394 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: you know, take some measurements, kick the tire, so to speak, 395 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: open the door, see if you're dovetail, see if it's 396 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: if you're buying, or if you're potentially buying what you 397 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: think you're potentially buying. Ask questions because we're always here 398 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: to answer them. And you know, if I don't know, 399 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: I'll say I don't know. But if I do know, 400 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: I'm happy to share and say so is my stuff. 401 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: But you know, and then as the auction be approaches, 402 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, you come in, get settle in and kind 403 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: of watch it, kind of get a fearful. It's a 404 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: lucamic thing, and each auction is a dynamic and fluid. 405 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: It's almost organic the way it kind of grows, and 406 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: you see, okay, these things are going high, those things 407 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: are going kind of watch it a little bit and 408 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: then just don't be intimidated to to bid, don't don't 409 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: let me get you know, to your head. Just kind 410 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: of play play the game. It's like going to the 411 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: casino sort of. You kind of get a rush out 412 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: of it. It's fun. So that was some good advice. 413 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: Like they'll they'll usually have a display period where you 414 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: can go check it out up close before the auction, 415 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: and if you've never been to an auction, it can 416 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 1: get caught up in it. You know, have you ever 417 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: been doing auction of any kind? Silent auction at a church, 418 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: very low pressure. I mean one where the guys you 419 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: know doing the whole thing. Cattle auction, I've been to 420 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: those before. Did you buy for each catal auction? Kid? 421 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: You not? Did you buy a cow? I'm just a 422 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: do you want to check out beforehand? Know exactly what 423 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: you want, what you're willing to pay, and don't get 424 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: caught up in the auction fever because, as Paul pointed out, 425 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: and as anyone knows, something is worth what someone's gonna 426 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: pay for it. And and if you've got all these 427 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: people bidden on, it's just like eBay, it's the same thing. 428 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: You get all these I never understood the eBay people 429 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: that you know in an auctions for like a week 430 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: and on day one they start throwing bids in. Yeah, 431 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: I've never understood anything. Well. Sellers love it because it 432 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: just drives up the price. But I mean as a 433 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: as a buyer, it doesn't make none at all. On eBay. 434 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: I go in the last like second and a half 435 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: my first bid, right and we we also talked to 436 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: Paul about um, you know what what you should buy 437 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: or if there's something in your home, and he was 438 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: saying like it's very surprising how something that seems like 439 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: it would never sell, or something you take his ordinary 440 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: commonplace because you grew up around it and it's now 441 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: in your home and you walk past it every day, 442 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: that that suddenly takes on value when a guy like 443 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: him creates a market by taking a seller and putting 444 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: them together and putting his stuff in front of buyers. Right, So, 445 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: so you're absolutely right. I mean, like there, things do 446 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: have value even if they don't seem like they have value. 447 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: And you can make some dough it in auction, or 448 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: you can spend a bunch of dough it in auction. 449 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: You can also do an internet auction, which requires a 450 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of faith. Yeah, I mean eBay has their 451 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,479 Speaker 1: little rules of you gotta be on the upend up, 452 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: but you can really kind of do anything on there 453 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: if you want. Yeah, there's antique shows that are you know, 454 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: like this weekend and North Georgia there's a show and 455 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: the Georgia Mountain fair Grounds. It's a big deal. Everyone 456 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: brings their stuff and from them once a year and 457 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: not just made it up. And obviously a state sales. 458 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: Keep your eyes peeled in the newspaper and Craigslist and 459 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: stuff for state sales, you get some good fine and 460 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: the cool thing about the state sales, especially if you 461 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: if you find an estate sale and the sign for 462 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: it is on like a piece of poster board with 463 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: black sharpie, that means it's a yard sale. That means 464 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: that it's well, it could be there. There could be 465 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: some really great stuff there, and it's being sold by 466 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: people who don't know anything, and there's probably no reserve price, 467 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: which is the minimum bid that will be accepted. Um. 468 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 1: So yeah, state sales can be treasure troves, especially if 469 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: you like stuff that smell like um that elderly. Right, 470 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: let me say that, I think so mothballs. Yeah. Uh. 471 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: If you're checking things out at these places, look for 472 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: a signature of the maker to help authenticate it. That's 473 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: kind of a dead giveaway. If you see like a 474 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: brand on furniture like on the underside, or um on 475 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: glassware and ceramics is usually on the on the bottom. 476 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: What else. Well, yeah, that's a that's a good point 477 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: that there's there should be a signature there because the difference, 478 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: the only difference really between a reproduction and a counterfeit, uh, 479 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: is the stamp of the craftsman. Right, the mark of 480 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: the craftsman saying like I made this in. I'm not 481 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: trying to pass it off as something made in. Yeah. Well, 482 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: sometimes there's other documentation too that someone will include, like 483 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: this is uh a photo of my great great grandmother 484 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: with this chest of drawers or chiffer robe, and um, 485 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: here's a and then here's it's included in the ill 486 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: from too. And there's a letter um from my great 487 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: grandfather to my great grandmother about the chiff robe. And 488 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you all this saying bust up that 489 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: chiffer robe to help to help document that it is 490 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: in fact. Yes, and if you have that much documentation, 491 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: you're in like full in because apparently being able to 492 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: prove providence, especially famous providence, can apparently just drive the 493 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: price up. There's a story in this article about a 494 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: person who attended the two thousand to Tucson Antiques roadshow 495 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: of it and showed up with a you first phase 496 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: chief's blanket, which is rare enough, like this thing was 497 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: appraised that three and fifty five hundred thousand dollars, but 498 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: the person said that it once belonged to Kick Carson, 499 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: but couldn't prove it, but had he or she proven it, 500 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: then it would have increased the value by another hundred 501 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: and fifty grand just because Kick Carson slept in it 502 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: for a while. Al Right, pretty sweet. Huh. Yeah, there's 503 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: I look at a lot of Craigslist guitars, you know, 504 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: just I'm not in the market, but I always just look, 505 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: and there's always every day there's always some two that 506 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: has a really cheap CREDI guitar and he's like it 507 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: was signed by the Kip Winger and there's just the 508 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: scrawl and sharpie on it. And you know, there're as 509 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: some like five hundred bucks for hundred dollar guitar with 510 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: Inger maybe don doc into Uh what else can you 511 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: look for, Josh? If you have a CT scan in 512 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: your house, or an X ray machine or infrared analysis 513 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: or ultra violet analysis, you can do it that way, Yes, 514 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: if you're so lucky to have those kind of things 515 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: in your home or your medical clinic. Or look at 516 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: the antique dealer. If they're on the up and up, 517 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: they're probably a member of one of the professional associations. 518 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: And then also if you follow Paul Brown's advice and 519 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: buy what you like, and you're you're pretty much buying 520 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: for yourself. Uh, then you may end up using your antiques, 521 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: displaying it, keeping it out in the opening your normal house. 522 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: And if you do that, you're gonna want to keep 523 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: up with it. Right, So if you have an antique clock, 524 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: you're gonna want to wind it regularly. Uh. If you 525 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: have a rug or blanket or something like that, maybe 526 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: up on the walls better place than on the floor, right. Um. 527 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: And uh then other uh kind of more fragile stuff 528 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: like books, sheet music, manuscripts. Um, you wanna store these 529 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 1: upright out of the sun. Yeah, we want to make 530 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: sure there's no newspaper pressing between them. Highly acidic, bad 531 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: for an antique book. Probably not in the basement or 532 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: the attic. You want a good neutral temperature. Your books 533 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: want to be in the same climate you're in. Yeah. 534 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: Did you like that it's a T shirt right there. 535 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: Photographs you should store in their own individual envelope and 536 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: then that envelope in a box. Don't like out of 537 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: the sun. Yeah, don't stick them all together and like 538 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,239 Speaker 1: put a brick on top of them. They're gonna end 539 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,239 Speaker 1: up being a goooey mess. It's not a good way 540 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: to store your photos and you're also gonna want to 541 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: buy a nice pair of cotton gloves when you start 542 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: collecting antique photographs of any kind, whether it's glass or 543 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: metal degarat type. If you're into Matthew Brady or being 544 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: a mime, remember the Brady Bunch where it turned out 545 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: that Matthew Brady was related to Mr Brady and they 546 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: showed like a picture it was a de Garat type 547 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: of Abraham Lincoln in the background is Mike Brady. Yeah, 548 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: it's a good one. I do remember that. I'm like, 549 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: this is like the second Chris Farley reference. Yeah, we 550 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: did the Chip Indels thing and then like the remember 551 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: when he a text Scorsese. Do you remember you got 552 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: anything else? Set it for auctions and uh antiques and 553 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I think it is. We want 554 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: to give a hearty thanks to Paul Brown. Congratulations and 555 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: good luck. It's nice to see another Atlanta boy making 556 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: good that's right, um, And we're gonna drop by Gallery 557 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: sixty three one day, maybe a good picture made with him. 558 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: How about that he invited us so it wouldn't be 559 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: like stalking, and you know, check out auction Kings obviously 560 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about antiques. You can 561 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: type word antiques or antiquities is as it's also called 562 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: antiques is slang for antiquities. You know that that was it? Yeah, 563 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: you can type that into the search bar at how 564 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com the dusty old search bar and 565 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: needed polishing found in our attic. All right, Yes, that's 566 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: what I'm trying. Now, how does it work? I think 567 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: it's great that brings up then listener male, I'm gonna 568 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: call this, uh polyamory A polyamorous young lady. Yeah, hello 569 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: from a polyamoroust. Yeah, hi, guys. Today I was feverishly 570 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: sewing tiny pieces of silk together and cursing myself for 571 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: attempting such an elaborate Christmas gift for my sister. When 572 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: why would anyone want? Multiple spouses started playing? I put 573 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: down my thumble and listen even more intently than usual 574 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: for I myself and a polyamoroust. I'm a twenty one 575 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: year old female living in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, which I believe 576 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: is in America's hat. I've flown over that. I have 577 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: two partners, Jesse and Kumarn, and of two three and 578 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: two years, respectively. Jesse and I lived together. We all 579 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: happened to be humanitarian atheists. Jesse and Komb have been 580 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: friends since well before I met either of them, but 581 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: they do not have a physical relationship together. Both of 582 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: them are able to pursue relationships with other people, and 583 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: I have had a lady friend in the last three 584 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: years to boot as well. To minimize the risk of 585 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: s t I s, we maintain a fluid bond and 586 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: no one has intercourse with someone outside the bond without 587 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: an s t I test. Jealousy has never been an issue. 588 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: For some reason. Jesse actually encouraged me to start dating Komb, 589 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: and when Jesse was dating his lady friend, I was 590 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: really pleased and excited. All of our parents know we 591 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: are out to our co workers and friends. I have 592 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: no desire to get married, but I know of many 593 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: polyamorous families who do or are. I would say the 594 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: benefits of polyN me for us, at least, because a 595 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: twentysomething family with no children boils down to more more 596 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: people to love, more people to be loved by, more 597 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: sources of support, more ideas, more perspective or Christmas gifts. 598 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: The most importantly, more people to gun down, zombies and 599 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: left for dead. Is that one of the safe places, 600 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: one of the safe areas in the Zombie Apocalypse Saskatoon. Yeah, 601 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure three shotguns are better than two. I would 602 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: also like to point out that living communally where everyone 603 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: has sexual access quote unquote to everyone else is relatively 604 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: rare in polyamory. More commonly it's just three or four 605 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: or four person relationships or quote unquote open relationships, or 606 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: even primary and secondary relationships. So that in tertiary is 607 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: from lydia Well, thanks a lot, lydia Um is very 608 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: nice to have that little peek into your life. Thank 609 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: you up there. Plus also she left out and say 610 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: s cartoon it gets really cold up there. Yeah, real cold. 611 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: Imagine a three person snuggle is pretty warm. It's like 612 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: three dog night, do you know? That's where that came 613 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: from the Aborigines in Australia. On a particularly cold night, 614 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: they would sleep with three dogs around him. The three 615 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: dog night is a really really cold night, and that's 616 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: where the bank got their name. Yes, okay, if you 617 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: have any cool interesting stories, we didn't really touch about 618 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: a touch on it, but if we if you have 619 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: any cool stories about something that was found in your 620 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: attic or in your neighbor's attic that turned out to 621 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: be really valuable and cool. We want to hear about it. 622 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: And in the meantime, here's a little um watching homework 623 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: for you. Everyone goes see The Red Violin, probably the 624 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: coolest auction movie of all time. You've seen it? Oh, chuck, 625 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: you gotta send a cube? Okay? Uh? 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