1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: are rolling through the final show that we will ever 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: do with Joe Biden as President of the United States. Hallelujah. 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: We have made it, Buck, They announced us in May 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, so we appreciate all of you 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: listening all over the country. There has never been a 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: show that you and I have done together when Joe 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: Biden has not been President of the United States. Very sad, 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: but at long last that will end. Come the start 11 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: of the show on Monday, So we talked about this, 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: what is Biden's legacy? His entire time in office is 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: basically at an end. Have you seen, Buck, there are 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: reports that Biden is thinking about giving a pardon to Trump. 15 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: Have you seen these reports that are out there as 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: sort of a desperate hail Mary play for his own legacy, 17 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: And a part of me wonders if he might do 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: it because of the conversations that we have had otherwise, 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: what is Biden's legacy? He's I can't even think of, 20 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: like what the pitch would be. 21 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: I think that if I were Biden's advisor, first I'd 22 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: have to wake him up, and you know, then I'd 23 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: have to make sure that he knows who I am. 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: Take a few minutes, but eventually, what I would say 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: to him is he should pardon Donald Trump, because then 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: he can go out on this. I'm a unifier. It's 27 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: been a hard fought battle. Blah blah, however you want to, 28 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: you know, phrase it. 29 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: That's right. 30 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: He did this weird, this weird announcement about the Equal 31 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: Rights Amendment is now the law of the land. People 32 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: just kind of laughing at him, like, that's not how 33 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: it works, buddy. You don't just you don't just decide 34 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: that the Constitution says something different on your way out 35 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: and then expect everybody to jump to it. But this 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: would be an opportunity for him to pardon Donald Trump 37 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: and do something that he could at least walk out 38 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: saying he tried to unite the country, because remember, he 39 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: ran on United the country and then was incredibly divisive. 40 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: He ran on the United Country, did nothing to actually 41 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: bring Americans together. In fact, I would argue he was, 42 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: especially on the COVID stuff. I could give specifics on it. 43 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 2: You know, the Winter of Death, a deeply divisive President. 44 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, as you break it down, we said, 45 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: I think we said on the show a while ago 46 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: that certainly we expected him to pardon Hunter. And I 47 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: took the next step and I said, if you're going 48 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: to pardon Hunter, you should go ahead and part in Trump. 49 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: You should pardon a lot of people, because it would 50 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: take some of the attention off of what is a 51 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: naked individualistic decision that is designed to protect your own 52 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: family if you at least try to argue, hey, the 53 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: time for partisan politics is over. I'm pardoning Hunter, who 54 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: I think has been targeted politically because of me, and 55 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm pardoning Donald Trump and all his family or whatever 56 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: else because it's time to turn the page and begin 57 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: a new era. I still think there would have been criticism, 58 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: but it would have seemed like more of a statesmanlike 59 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: decision as opposed to what he did, which is engage 60 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: in a nakedly beneficial for his own family act while 61 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: pretending that he is committed to the rule of law. 62 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: So the reason why I think it might happen, Buck 63 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: is your point on the Equal Rights Amendment the final Address, 64 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: it feels like there's a certain flailing hal Mary style 65 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: where you're starting to recognize, Wait a minute, we've lost 66 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: the game. Is there anything just outside of the realm 67 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: of normalcy that we can try to pull off that 68 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: changes the trajectory of what otherwise is going to be? 69 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: I think judged to be one of the worst presidencies, 70 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: if not the worst, in the twenty first century, and 71 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: the one of the worst, if not the worst, in 72 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: the last fifty or sixty years. And so I think 73 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: there's a desperation setting in because you and I have 74 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: asked and by the way, open phone lines on this 75 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: eight hundred and two eight two two eight eight two. 76 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: Every now and then we have left wing callers and 77 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: you can listen. We hope we can persuade you with 78 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: our arguments, no matter what your background is and no 79 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: matter what your politics are. I don't even know, Buck, 80 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: if I tweeted this, and we've talked about it some, 81 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: if I were trying to be the spinmeister for Joe 82 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: Biden's entire tenure, it's hard for me to even focus 83 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: on so something in say, boy, Biden really nailed this. 84 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: I just I as we look back, and it's like, 85 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: you know, PostScript on Biden now, because this is his 86 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: last weekday as president of the United States. I can't 87 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: even think of anything where I say, you know what, 88 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: the country is better off now than it was when 89 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: he came into office. And you know how hard that 90 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: is to do. When you're president. You have to make 91 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: so many decisions, and there's so many different moving parts 92 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: and obstacles foreign domestic that you're addressing. I can't think 93 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: of anything that Biden did where he's leaving the country 94 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: in better shape for Trump then he took it from Trump, 95 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: except for COVID, and that is entirely a function of 96 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: everybody just having gotten COVID, and eventually a virus goes 97 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: away once everybody gets it. That's basic virology. That would 98 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: have happened no matter who the president was. They're trying 99 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: to say, oh, he brought us through COVID and he 100 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: so the COVID. No he didn't. I mean, he just 101 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: happened to be there. If Trump had been president, COVID 102 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: would have petered out. I honestly believe in the same 103 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: way that it did with Biden. I mean, what's your 104 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: I guess, maybe leaving Afghanistan, even though he left in 105 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: a disastrous fashion, he ended that war. It's just hard 106 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: for me to come up with a strong argument for 107 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: why all of us aren't worse off substantially in every 108 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: facet of our lives. Sadly that the president has to 109 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: impact than we were before he came into office. 110 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 2: I think it's, as I've been saying, a presidency of 111 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: failure from every possible perspective. Republicans don't like the things 112 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: he tried to do. Democrats recognize he wasn't even able 113 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: really to do very much that they wanted him to. 114 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: And the results for the country. Right, So there's the 115 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: partisan perspectives, and then there's the results for the country. 116 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 2: And I think that we haven't talked about it as 117 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 2: much lately, but the most open border for the illegal 118 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 2: invasion of this country in its history, over ten million 119 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 2: illegals piling it in four years, and doing so because 120 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: of Biden policy, because of Biden decisions, because with the 121 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: Democrat Party put out there as the messaging to the 122 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: world on this issue, and also by their actions with 123 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: their lack of enforcement. To say that ten million people 124 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: illegally enter the United States while Joe Biden was president 125 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: for only four years, is I think that alone is 126 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: enough to say that this is a disastrous presidency, and 127 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: then when you add on to it the trillions of 128 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: dollars of completely unnecessary spending that shot up inflation of 129 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: the highest level in forty years. And then on top 130 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: of that just the divisiveness and the the the unwillingness 131 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: of Joe Biden to confront the true lunatic contingent in 132 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: his party. The you know, men can become women and 133 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: the just just find the most radical climate change lunatics, 134 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: you know, the ones who were gluing themselves to paint 135 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: and things. I know that's in Europe, but you know, 136 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: same kind of mentality here that he would never say 137 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: to them, stop being a bunch of babies. We have 138 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: to run this country like adults. Is something that doesn't 139 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: surprise me. But it really just goes to what a 140 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: lack of character Joe Biden has always suffered from. So 141 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: I think, top to bottom, it's a awful presidency for 142 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: the country, and the only upside of it is what 143 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: we're about to experience on Monday, which is the greatest 144 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: political comeback and the clearest mandate with the most tools 145 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: at his disposal that Donald Trump has ever had. So 146 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: you know, America is healing as you're seeing a lot 147 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: of people say online America is healing. 148 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: Speaking of healing, we talked about the Lake and Riley 149 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: Act that passed the House with some Democrats support, and 150 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: John Fetterman came out and said, we need to be 151 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: able to get some at least seven senators to break 152 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: through the filibuster and get to sixty. You want to 153 00:08:54,840 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: talk about America changing. Ten Democrats have joined every Republican 154 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: in the Senate to break the filibuster on the Lake 155 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: and Riley Act. To me, that's pretty significant, Buck, that 156 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: we talked about, and it's probably not gonna surprise you. 157 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: Here are the states where those senators are from. Nevada, Arizona, 158 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: New Hampshire, and now I'm gonna run into a name 159 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think New Hampshire, Georgia, New Hampshire 160 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: and Michigan, Michigan and Virginia. What of all this represent? 161 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: These are places that Trump either one or nearly one. 162 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: Kelly sorry is from Arizona as well. I forgot his 163 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: name for a second there, astronaut Mark Kelly. So you've 164 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: got all these different states. Remember Trump one Nevada double 165 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: Democrat senators, Trump one, Arizona double Democrat senators Trump one 166 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: Michigan double Democrat senators Trump one Wisconsin one Democrat senator 167 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: Trump won Pennsylvania flip day Senate see Fetterman is left there. 168 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: I just think this is super interesting that Democrats are 169 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: now not lining up in full resistance against Trump. A 170 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: lot of them are saying, hey, you know what, we 171 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: need to be involved in many of his priorities in 172 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, which is a testament to how much 173 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: the ground underneath all of this has actually taken place 174 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: and how substantial all all of this is. By the way, 175 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: also we'll mention this because we teased it. Five million 176 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: dollars in compensatory damages against CNN. You texted me about this. 177 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: In that verdict for defamation, it now is on to 178 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: punitive damages. Some states restrict how much more punitive damages 179 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: can be given on top of a verdict. I'm not 180 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: sure what Florida trial law is in that respect. Some 181 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: states do not, so we will see what is permissible 182 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: under the law and also what happens. But CNN is, 183 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: according to a Florida jury, fake news. They committed defamation. 184 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: They are now liable for five million dollars and we'll 185 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: see what sort of punited damages can be put on 186 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: top of that before all is said and done. 187 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: I think that that's a more It's funny, that's a 188 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: more reasonable settlement than some of the things we've seen, 189 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: But it's not reasonable in so far as other networks 190 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: have been hit with much more for much less. You know, Yeah, 191 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: you know. So it's this is Yeah, if somebody goes 192 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: on TV and says something that's a lie about you 193 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: get a check for five million dollars from them. Seems 194 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: pretty close to what But look at what happened to 195 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: Rudy jew What was the Rudy Giuliani verdict? 196 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think he settled it now, but he 197 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: would have been This is important what you're pointing out. 198 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: For the Georgia election poll workers lawsuit. He would have 199 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: been better off legally from a damages perspective, having committed 200 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: wrongful death than he was to have said mean things 201 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: about them allegedly in the public. In other words, wrongful 202 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: death buck is typically a formula that's pegged, where if 203 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: you run over somebody in a crosswalk and you're responsible 204 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: for it, the wrongful death that someone can gain is 205 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: a function of how many years of life they have 206 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: left in general, and also what their income is. In 207 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: other words, you plug that formula in and you say, okay, 208 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: this is what the damage's scope could look like. These 209 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: individuals in Georgia got more money from Rudy Giuliani for 210 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: him saying mean things about them than they would have 211 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: if he had actually committed a crime that led to 212 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: their death. 213 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: And also, I think that the venue shopping that has 214 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: gone on here totally is very clear, because usually you 215 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: have to have malice for there to be I know, 216 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: it depends on news organization. There's a lot of different 217 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: little tests and rules with these things. But in the 218 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: case of Rudy Giuliani with the electric poll workers, I 219 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: think he always asserted that he truly believed what he 220 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: was saying. He wasn't intentionally he wasn't intentionally lying about anybody, 221 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: and generally speaking, that's going to be something unless they 222 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 2: can prove your reckless. But then they said he's reckless 223 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: because it's election stuff, and that becomes very political obviously, right, 224 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: So anyway, five million dollars against CNN is dropping the bucket. 225 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 2: I mean, they pay some of their you know, third 226 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: tier anchors that unfortunately, but they well maybe second tier anchors, 227 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: but they are are on notice, I think Clay that 228 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: they can't just get away with absolutely whatever they want 229 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 2: to do. We'll take some calls coming up here, and 230 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: also we've got Senator Rampaul joining us at the bottom 231 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 2: talk about what's going on on Capitol Hill. 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Spend time with Clay and 262 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 4: find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you 263 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 4: get your podcasts. 264 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: All right, So, Christine Nome, the governor of South Dakota 265 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: up on Capitol Hill today, we'll talk to Senator Rampaul 266 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: here shortly about that and also everything coming up with 267 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: the Trump administration. Two point er, very very exciting. But 268 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: here are a couple of key moments so far from 269 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: this exchange up on the Hill with the Senate confirmation 270 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 2: process underway of Christine Nome this has cut seven. She's 271 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: saying border security absolutely critical. Yep, play seven. 272 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 5: Border security must remain a top priority as a nation. 273 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 5: We have the right and the responsibility to secure our 274 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 5: borders against those who would do us harm. And we 275 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 5: must create a fair and a lawful immigration system that 276 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 5: is efficient and is effective, and that reflects our values. 277 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 5: President of Trump was elected with a clear mandate. He 278 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 5: needs to achieve this mission because two thirds of Americans 279 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 5: support his immigration and border policies, including the majority of 280 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 5: Hispanic Americans. 281 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: Clay, I think that this is one area where Trump 282 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: has to deliver and will deliver because this was a 283 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: centerpiece of the campaign. But also, if you see in 284 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: the most recent polling number one issue for Trump voters 285 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: border and border security number one above the economy. 286 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: And I also think you're seeing how crisp the nomination 287 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: process is going. The hearings. There's almost no blowback of 288 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: a negative fashion that I've seen from any of the 289 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: individuals sitting down as part of the advising consent process 290 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: for the Senate. I think Trump's going to get every 291 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: single person that he put forward through other than Matt Gates, 292 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: who obviously he dropped relatively quickly, and many of these 293 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: guys and gals are going to be in office soon, 294 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: so he can hit the ground running on day one. Legitimately, 295 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: you know our friend Stephen Miller, we got to get 296 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: him on again. I bet he hasn't slept since since 297 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: Election Day almost He's going to be heading up the 298 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: border policies for Trump, and I would be stunned if 299 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: there aren't a bevy of regulations and executive orders that 300 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: he's going to have signed boom on day one. In fact, 301 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: I bet he's been so busy that Stephen Miller hasn't 302 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: even been able to catch up on the latest season 303 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: of Cobra Kai. I feel bad for him. We're gonna 304 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: have to ask him next time we get on. It's 305 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: pretty good season. He's a monster fan. Based on our 306 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: prior conversations, I bet he hasn't seen it at all, 307 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: but we will talk about that. In the meantime, Big 308 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 1: government is out reduced sized government in you two can 309 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: reduce the size of your expenses. Start with your cell 310 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: phone bill. If you're still with Verizon AT and T 311 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: or T Mobile, switch to Pure Talks. Start saving money 312 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: immediately talk service on the same towers and network as 313 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: one of those companies providing you with the same five 314 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: G nationwide service this year. 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Appreciate him taking the time to 330 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: join us here in the middle of the Senate confirmation process. 331 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: And let's go ahead and start here, editor, right off 332 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: the top, based on everything you're seeing, do you expect 333 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: everyone that Trump has put forward to be confirmed? Is 334 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: there any nervousness you have about any of these nominees 335 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: based on what you're hearing on Capitol Hill at this point. 336 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 3: You know, the hearing we did today was Governor Christy nome. 337 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 3: I thought the Democrats were fairly reasonable and they're questioning. 338 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 3: I think she's going to get bipartisan support. That's one 339 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 3: you know that has been my Committee Ross vote we 340 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 3: did a couple of days ago, and that's for omb 341 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 3: Office of Management and Budget. He got more partisan response 342 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: from the Democrats. I think he'll pass, but with Republican 343 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 3: votes only unless he gets one or two on the floor. 344 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 3: So most of them are going to go that way. 345 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 3: A few of them the Democrats will vote for, some 346 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: of them will pass with Republicans only. And then there's 347 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: a couple of questions on ones that who I think 348 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 3: are real reformers, whether or not some of the neo 349 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 3: cons and the Republican party will will vote against them. 350 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 3: These would be people like Tulsey Gabbard, people like Cash Mattel. 351 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 3: You've got some people who are institutionalists up here who 352 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 3: believe that the institution of big government is more important 353 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 3: than principles, and they don't want to be a disruptor 354 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 3: in any of those spots. But I'm thoroughly convinced people 355 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 3: like Cash Mattel, Telsea Gabbart are necessary because politics has 356 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 3: polluted our intelligence agencies, and politics has polluted our domestic 357 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 3: agencies like the FBI. It's got to be gotten rid. 358 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: Of Senator Paul Where do you find Where do you 359 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 2: expect that RFK Junior is going to fall on this 360 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: spectrum in terms of opposition bipartisan support, just based on 361 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: what you already know of him. I know we still 362 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 2: have to hear from him on Capitol Hill, but there 363 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: are some who seem to think that are suggesting at 364 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 2: least that he may be a tougher pass for some 365 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: members of the Senate. 366 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: You know, I'm an enthusiastic supporter of his I'm also 367 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 3: an enthusiastic believer that vaccines were one of the biggest 368 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 3: medical miracles ever in all of modern meta and really 369 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: beginning with the inoculation for smallpox back in the seventeen hundreds, 370 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: culminating really with polio vaccine, and moving forward. That said, 371 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 3: I'm for voluntarism. I'm for parents making a choice, and 372 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 3: if something's good for you, sell me on it. I'll 373 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: give you an example, the smallpox vaccine. The initial one 374 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 3: was inoculating with the smallpox. They took it from somebody 375 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 3: who had a few pocks and not much of a disease. 376 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: They unroofed a scab, took pus and stuck it in 377 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 3: somebody else's arm. But in those days, the death rate 378 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 3: from smallpox is one in three. The death rates from 379 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: the vaccine was not insignificant. It was one in fifty, 380 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 3: and yet people took it by the thousands without a 381 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: mandate death rate one in fifty for the inoculation death rate, 382 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 3: one in three for smallpox. So people are not stupid people. 383 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 3: This is where the elitists get it wrong. They think 384 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 3: we're all too stupid to make a rational decision because 385 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 3: parents won't give their kid a COVID vaccine. Well, parents 386 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 3: have seen that COVID is a non deadly disease for kids, 387 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 3: and there is a small but measurable risk of a 388 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 3: heart implement with it. I think RFK is going to 389 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 3: be honest about vaccines. I think he's going to present 390 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: honest studies and let people make judgments, and really, you 391 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 3: can have less vaccine hesitancy if we have more testing. Actually, 392 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 3: and we show most of the vaccines are probably pretty benign. 393 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 3: But the thing is is show us the testing. Let's 394 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 3: go head to head and tell us the truth. I 395 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: still think probably a COVID vaccine, if you're over seventy five, 396 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 3: or if you're morbidly obese, you might want to take it, 397 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: even though COVID is not as dangerous as it was 398 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. But for kids, I don't think there's 399 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 3: any I don't think there's anybody in taking it because 400 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 3: they're not honest with us. Everybody's like, oh damn, I'm 401 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 3: not believing that anything the government tells me anymore because 402 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 3: they're dishonest about childhood vaccines for COVID. So I think 403 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: rfk's going to bring a healthy dose of honesty. I 404 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: think he's got a good chance of passing, but it 405 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 3: could be close. 406 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: We're talking to Senator Ran Paul about the confirmation process 407 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: and more, I want to ask you a hypothetical, and 408 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: then I want to ask you in your world, what 409 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: you think should happen. TikTok is set to official theoretically 410 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: not be allowed to be shared on the app store 411 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: on January nineteenth, that is Sunday, the day before the inauguration. 412 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: Yet based on everything we've heard from the Biden team, 413 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: they say they're not going to enforce it. They're going 414 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: to pass the buck to trump. TikTok CEO scheduled to 415 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: be at the inauguration. Couple of part question here for you, 416 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: can you remember a bill that Congress passed and the 417 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: President signed that both parties now seem like they're kind 418 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: of saying, actually, we don't really want this bill to 419 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: go into effect. It seems more like a threat than 420 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: it was an actual implementation of a legislative and executive 421 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: authority action. And second, in your mind, what should happen 422 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: if you were given charge to try to get a 423 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: solution here? What should happen with TikTok? 424 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 3: So it's extraordinary for a bill to pass overwhelmingly. You know, 425 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 3: I voted against it because I'm for my speech, But 426 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: this bill has passed overwhelmingly to ban it, and how 427 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 3: everybody's like, wow, I can't they're gonna do it. Maybe 428 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 3: we shouldn't do it. And I think if there's a 429 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 3: possibility that under the law he'll be able to ext 430 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 3: grant at least a ninety day extension, now what would 431 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: I do under it? I believe in free speech. If 432 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 3: you don't like Clay and Buck, turn them off. If 433 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 3: you really like them, record them and listen to them 434 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 3: over and over again all day long. You know, it's 435 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 3: freedom of choice. But let's say, well, it's complicated. They're 436 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 3: owned by a foreign entity. Even that's not really true. 437 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 3: About sixty percent of TikTok's ownership is international investors. Their 438 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: CEO is from Singapore, not from China. The two inventors 439 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 3: were Chinese, but seven thousand American employees are part of this. 440 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 3: So to me, it's an illegal taking. You're taking somebody's 441 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 3: business without ever trying them a court. They say, oh, 442 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 3: you're sharing data with the Chinese Communist Party, Well prove it, 443 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 3: prove it in court. You can't just take my property 444 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: without proving something. That's an accusation. But it in between 445 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 3: would be this. There's something called Sciphius. It's a committee 446 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: of something foreign investment. It's like when a adversary country 447 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 3: owns something that's in our US, we look at it 448 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 3: and see if we can get board that distinguishes them 449 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: and distances them from their country. So there are companies 450 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 3: like this. I know of a company. I'm not going 451 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 3: to mention the names. I don't want to hurt them, 452 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 3: but fifteen hundred Americans worked for this company. It's a 453 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 3: good company, not as big as TikTok any means, but 454 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 3: it's but three Chinese investors. They say some of them 455 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: are related to the Chinese Coverage Party. Everybody in China 456 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 3: has some relation to the Chinese comage Party. But what 457 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 3: they did is they set up an American board. There's 458 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: only Americans on it, no Chinese citizens on it, and 459 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 3: it's sort of a firewall. TikTok Is offered to do this. 460 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: TikTok Is offered to put all their records on Oracles 461 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 3: Cloud in house in Texas, and so there's all kinds 462 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: of things that could be done in between of it. 463 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 3: But I really think it's an affront to the First 464 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 3: Amendment to tell one hundred and seventy million Americans they 465 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 3: can't use a means of expression on social media. 466 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 2: Senator Paul, I'm totally in agreement with you, and have 467 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: been the whole time. And I've been looking around wondering, 468 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: you know, is everyone else in the Republican Party taking 469 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: crazy pills to me that they're they're taking property without 470 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 2: proving that any of the spying has happened. They think 471 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: that there could be spying going on, but yeah, there 472 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: could be a lot of different things. Why are so 473 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: many Republicans on board with this? Is this just the 474 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: way to look tough on China without having to actually 475 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: do anything about China. 476 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 3: Here's the most ridiculous argument. I heard this one three 477 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 3: times today. Well, the Chinese ban are social media companies, 478 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: so we should ban theirs. And it's like, well, that's 479 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: because that's Chinese authoritarianism. That's what we object to. That's 480 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 3: why we're America, we're not China. That's why we don't 481 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 3: reject free speech. It's just insane, but it is. It is, 482 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 3: and hysteria it is. They're hysterics running all around Congress, 483 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: mostly Republican but some Democrats too, and they want to 484 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 3: end all trade. They're gonna punish China. By ending all trade. 485 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 3: And here's what I have to tell you. Look, I 486 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: don't like Chinese communism. I've written two books against Chinese communism, 487 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: The Case against Socialism and this you know Deception about 488 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 3: the Great COVID cover up in China and here. So 489 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 3: I have no love for the Chinese communists. But if 490 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 3: you really like the idea of a free Taiwan, you 491 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 3: like the idea of that continuing. It's very unlikely that 492 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 3: there's going to be a war in which the US 493 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 3: goes to war with mainland China beats them and we 494 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 3: keep Taiwan free. It's much more likely that if we 495 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,719 Speaker 3: have enough trade, both US China trade and US and 496 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 3: Taiwan trade and Taiwan China trade, that China will see 497 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 3: it not in their interests, and that sounds weak. But 498 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 3: at the same time, if they don't do it in 499 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 3: their interests, I don't think there's a military solution, And 500 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 3: so we are better off telling the Chinese we will 501 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: continue to trade with you, but if you do take 502 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 3: Taiwan la force, guess what trade's over. So the threat 503 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 3: of ending trade is really about the best atterrence I 504 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 3: think we can have to keep them out of Taiwan. 505 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: You ran for president Senator Paul against Donald Trump back 506 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, you worked with him from twenty sixteen 507 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: first term. How is Trump two point zero as he 508 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: prepares to take office here in twenty twenty five different, 509 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: if at all, from the guy that you met and 510 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: ran against back in twenty fifteen, And how in your 511 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: mind is Trump two point zero going to compare to 512 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: Trump one point oh in terms of efficacy? Based on 513 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: what you see. 514 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: I would say no. Distinct philosophical difference is I think 515 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: since he's been a young man, he's been a protectionist 516 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 3: and a big believer that tariffs are the way to go. Now, 517 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 3: he and I don't see eye to eye on man. 518 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 3: I see tariffs as a tax, and taxes are an 519 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 3: impediment to trade and prosperity. But what I would say 520 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: is he's been very consistent in that venue. He also 521 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 3: often uses the leverage of tariffs to try to get 522 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: something else. So the geopolitical weapon, you know, it was 523 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 3: part of why we got remained in Mexico, which I 524 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 3: thought was very good and did work to keep people 525 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 3: in Mexico and deter the mass millions from coming across 526 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: the border. Soment thing he's necessarily changed on that. I 527 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: think he's been good on taxes, good on PV pointed 528 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 3: to the court, relatively good on regulation. Good on regulation, 529 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: i'd say, and not so great on spending. And I 530 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 3: think he's probably about the same. And that's why you 531 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: have to have some deficit hawks fight me that will 532 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 3: stand up to either Republican or Democrat and say we 533 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 3: can't keep spending like drunken sailors up here. But for 534 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: the most party, you know I will get a long time. 535 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 3: I over oversaw Governor Christinoam's hearing today one of his appointees. 536 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 3: I'm all in for her, got her through the hearing. 537 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 3: Same with RUSS. Vote for omb a vast majority of 538 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: no votes. So many of these people are people I 539 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 3: would have picked. Marty McCarey at FDA, he's amazing, Jay 540 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 3: Bodicharia at NIH, amazing, RFK at HHS. Many of these 541 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 3: people are people I could have easily picked if I 542 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 3: were the one picking. So I'm very enthusiastic about a 543 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 3: lot he does. I don't think it's necessary changed a lot. 544 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 3: The one thing I think it's going to be different 545 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 3: this time is he's not going to mess around. The 546 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: first time around, he had to figure out, you know, government, 547 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: how to run it, how to get people in positions, 548 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: and he had a lot of resistance from the party. 549 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 3: Now he is the party, He's got the pick of 550 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 3: the party for people to work for him. The institutional 551 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 3: Republican forces are not as strong anymore. They also know 552 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 3: that he is more popular than they are, so I 553 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: think more can get done. But still somebody has to 554 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 3: watch the piggy bank, and somebody has to watch the 555 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: debt because there are still many Republicans up here. The 556 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: only thing they want to do is reconciliation, is bust 557 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 3: the military caps. And you know which really spending is spending. 558 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: We had to spend some for the military, but we 559 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 3: can't bank ourselves on the military either. 560 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: How hopeful are you about those and these kind of 561 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: outside advisory efforts to help rein in the spending, Senator. 562 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: Paul, I'm enthusiastic about what they're talking about because it's 563 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: what I've been talking about for a decade. Pointing it 564 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 3: out is the easier part, though, But I'm all in 565 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 3: for him. I know Vivek Ralswami well. I communicate with 566 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 3: him regularly and we have the same sort of ideas 567 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 3: on this. I do think it's going to take Congress's action. 568 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 3: There are two executive actions they could do, and they 569 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 3: think they have the power to impoundment. The law was 570 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 3: written against them. They're probably going to be rejected in 571 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: court on empowerment. And I'm not positive the money actually 572 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 3: goes back to the treasury. I'm not sure where the 573 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 3: money goes when you have found it, but I do 574 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 3: know that the other tool is legal, and that's called recision. 575 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 3: So let's say they Congress sends them a billion dollars 576 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 3: to build an aircraft carrier, and Elon Musks goes out 577 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 3: there and he looks at every nut, screw and bolt 578 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 3: and saves two hundred million, which is really probably possible, 579 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: and everything he looks at, let's say save two hundred million, 580 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 3: he wants to send it back to Congress to put 581 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: back in the treasury. That's called recision, and it's an 582 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 3: expedited vote, meaning it has to come to a vote, 583 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 3: can't be filibustered. And it's a simple majority. So we 584 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 3: have a simple majority in the House and the Senate. 585 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: If we had a simple majority with any kind of 586 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 3: guts at all, we've cut hundreds of billions of spending. 587 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 3: But what you have to prepare yourself and a lot 588 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 3: of people realize, is we tried a fifteen billion dollar 589 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 3: recision package in the first Trump administration. They sent fifteen 590 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 3: billion back in today's trillion dollar deficits, that's a pittance, 591 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 3: and it's still lost. We got forty eight Republicans, lost 592 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 3: lost two Republicans, and we lost fifty to forty eight 593 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 3: on a recision package. So we still have to do it. 594 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 3: And I encourage them every time. Do hundreds of billions, 595 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 3: but come up here and lobby the big government Republicans. 596 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 3: Make sure everybody in their state knows that they're voting 597 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 3: to cripple the country through debt. And this is where 598 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 3: Elon and Vivek having a big microphone or an amazingly 599 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 3: large microphone could maybe convince some of these big government 600 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 3: Republicans to do the right thing and vote for a 601 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 3: recision or cutting spending. 602 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: Senator Paul will see you and some of your staff, 603 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: and hopefully your wife, who I know has great taste 604 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: in radio. Hopefully so round some of the inaugural events. 605 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: And thanks for every thank you for everything you're doing. 606 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: Thank you Sam that center, Ram Paul of Kentucky breaking 607 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: down what he sees right now in the Senate. We'll 608 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: be back put set the table here a bit for 609 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: you for the final hour of the program with Joe 610 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: Biden in office. That's fun to say, isn't it. That's 611 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 1: a lot of fun to say. That coming up just 612 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: in a minute. But prize picks. Buck just ducked away. 613 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: But I had to tell him in a break that 614 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: it's not Sequon Barkley, it's Saquon, And he was like, 615 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: what are you talking about. 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I 675 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 2: haven't heard it. You haven't heard it. 676 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: But we're in about five minutes we are going to 677 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: be celebrating the final hour of this radio program with 678 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: Joe Biden as President of the United States. By the 679 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: time we come on the air Monday at noon Eastern, 680 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: Trump will be president. That is something to celebrate. But 681 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: first we must say goodbye to America's demential dementia Adam 682 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: President Joe Biden. I think you're going to like the 683 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: montage he Greg is put together. 684 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 2: It is next. 685 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: It's so hard to say goodbye, maybe not at all 686 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: to Joe Biden.