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Speaker 1: nine of Native Lampod where we break down all that's
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Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Gellam celebrating what, ladies, the beginning of Women's
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Speaker 1: Well but but there's something to be new said y'all.
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Speaker 1: and parton more. Tiffany ain't going nowhere, She's right here.
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Speaker 1: and the reason why this is so important to mention
Speaker 1: during Women's His Room because tell us about it. Tip,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna be talking across generation and ways to
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, thank you to my co hosts
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Speaker 2: talk about it. I am not going anywhere. We've made
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Speaker 2: people are like you're leaving natively and by like, no,
Speaker 2: this is my family. So we will continue to talk
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Speaker 2: hear anything about politics at all. This is where I'm
Speaker 2: talking to It's I'm convening a conversation of black women,
Speaker 2: a woman who's old enough to be my mother, young
Speaker 2: enough to be my daughter, and we'll talk about a
Speaker 2: singular topic. So we might talk about sex and how
Speaker 2: our attitudes has changed about sex because somebody in their
Speaker 2: sixties or seventies has a different relationship with sex. Somebody
Speaker 2: in their twenties could be having sex with a few people,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe at the same time, it might, it
Speaker 2: might be having it might, but it's new for it's
Speaker 2: changed for them, you know. And even if they've been
Speaker 2: that way their whole life, the way we look at
Speaker 2: it as a society has changed. And so I will
Speaker 2: tell y'all, I'm telling all my business. I am getting
Speaker 2: into my personal life. I'm not just the interviewer, the moderator.
Speaker 2: It is a conversation, and so we'll talk about, you know, sex,
Speaker 2: but it could be like what do you wish you
Speaker 2: know about money in your twenties? It could be you know,
Speaker 2: what if you never had kids, you know, with the
Speaker 2: twenty something who doesn't want kids, the seventy year old
Speaker 2: whose whole life was about, you know, being a wife
Speaker 2: and mother. So this is a different table to say
Speaker 2: welcome home, y'all too. It is about black women. It's
Speaker 2: not exclusively four black women. Black women, as you all know,
Speaker 2: have always been oracles and people have always pulled up
Speaker 2: a seat to our table to hear what we have
Speaker 2: to say. We've raised people's kids who don't look like us.
Speaker 2: So I believe there's magic that happens when we come
Speaker 2: together to talk about this. So I invite you all
Speaker 2: to join me. Our first guest is Dion Warwick, which
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about. We have chef Carla Hall, but
Speaker 2: it's not really celebrity driven, you know, like you all
Speaker 2: know your grandmothers. When you sit at that table and
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Speaker 2: all look and how beautiful that is, so you can
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Speaker 1: So let me get into what we're going to be
Speaker 1: talking about today. I just wanted to make sure the
Speaker 1: hosts and I wanted to make sure that we covered
Speaker 1: those things and the words of Whitney Houston. We've got
Speaker 1: something in common, Nikki Haley and Bernie Sanders have something
Speaker 1: in common. Super Tuesday arrived and went. Biden will deliver
Speaker 1: his State of the Union address today if you're listening
Speaker 1: on Thursday, the day this episode drops, will go over
Speaker 1: what we want to hear from him. Last week, we
Speaker 1: teased that we were going to be pulling back some
Speaker 1: of the layers of the case involving Marilyn Moseby, former
Speaker 1: state prosecutor there in Baltimore, and we're going to do
Speaker 1: that today, so you don't want to miss one single
Speaker 1: word of what we've got to say about her particular
Speaker 1: case and our ask for you to get involved, and
Speaker 1: of course in politics everywhere, we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: somebody who has an interesting philosophy on paying taxes. And
Speaker 1: if you want to know which celebrity this is and
Speaker 1: what that rationale is, you stay tuned, and of course
Speaker 1: we'll wrap up this episode with your listener questions, our
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Speaker 1: you for this week, So stay tuned, all right, y'all?
Speaker 1: So Super Tuesday it came and went, and I'm just
Speaker 1: curious to know were there any surprises?
Speaker 3: You know? It's so funny.
Speaker 4: Yes, in the rundown you said, and Nikki Haley and
Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders had some consts. Don't know, I know, but
Speaker 4: it took me like the full thirty seconds because I
Speaker 4: was like, no, what is it.
Speaker 3: I think, Bernie Sander this is running and I'm like, oh, Vermont,
Speaker 3: see what you did there?
Speaker 4: Do you want to give it away, I teed you up.
Speaker 1: All right. So Super Tuesday, of course, whole bunch of
Speaker 1: states went to vote, and Nicki Haley, who has pledged,
Speaker 1: of course, to stay into the race up until Super Tuesday,
Speaker 1: and we are now past that point. Uh. She picked
Speaker 1: up one stage, y'all. She picked up a whole state
Speaker 1: where she beat the former president. That's a big deal
Speaker 1: as far as I know, to have Republicans in the
Speaker 1: state of Vermont, all of them go out or as
Speaker 1: many of them as could vote. Uh, and they chose
Speaker 1: Nicki Haley as their choice for the Republican nomination.
Speaker 2: Well, she also won the territory while Washington DC as well.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, unfortunately Washington d C.
Speaker 2: Does you know, Yeah, listen, I don't think there's any
Speaker 2: major surprise here. I think Nicki Haley has been on
Speaker 2: the stump saying a lot of things about Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I will not clutch my pearls the day that she
Speaker 2: is on stage endorsing Donald Trump. Republicans have a tendency
Speaker 2: to not fall in love, but fall in line. She
Speaker 2: served in his first administration. We haven't seen any new
Speaker 2: evidence of how terrible Donald Trump is. He was just
Speaker 2: as awful in twenty sixteen when she agreed to serve
Speaker 2: in that administration as he is in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: So I'm just I pay her no attention. I pay
Speaker 2: the whole right wing that it's not the Republican Party anymore.
Speaker 2: As you've said many times, Andrew, they have all morphed
Speaker 2: into the Maga cult. And she is a member. Despite
Speaker 2: her saying he'll have to earn her votes, she is
Speaker 2: a member. But I think we have a sound of
Speaker 2: her dropping out of their race.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she won a race and dropped out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's play the sound of Nikki Haley getting out
Speaker 1: of the race for president rather suspending her campaign.
Speaker 6: The time has now come to suspend my campaign. I
Speaker 6: said I wanted Americans to have their voice heard.
Speaker 3: I have done that.
Speaker 6: I have no regrets, and although I will no longer
Speaker 6: be a candidate, I will not stop using my voice
Speaker 6: for the things I believe in. In all likelihood, Donald
Speaker 6: Trump will be the Republican nominee when our party convention
Speaker 6: meets in July. I congratulate him and wish him well.
Speaker 6: I wish anyone well who would be America's president. Our
Speaker 6: country is too precious to let our differences divide us.
Speaker 6: I have always been a conservative Republican and always supported
Speaker 6: the Republican nominee. But on this question, as she did
Speaker 6: on so many others, Margaret Thatcher provided some good advice
Speaker 6: when she said, quote, never just follow the crowd, always
Speaker 6: make up your own mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Tiffanangel, I'm really curious to know whether or
Speaker 1: not you think this is gonna be Niki playing more gamesmanship. Yes,
Speaker 1: basically trying to be courted, trying to be offered something,
Speaker 1: maybe the the maybe not. I'm not real sure, but
Speaker 1: she certainly didn't. I think with that quote go the
Speaker 1: more principled route around this. It was much more of
Speaker 1: a transactional kind of You're gonna need to come talk
Speaker 1: to me, bruh before I give you my support.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got to endorse them. Sorry, I wish no,
Speaker 4: she's gonna endorse the So. I think the other big
Speaker 4: two big shockers about Super Tuesday were the exit pole
Speaker 4: that we saw where Nicki Haley supporters said that they
Speaker 4: would not vote for Donald Trump in the fall.
Speaker 3: I think that we talk about all the time. Polls
Speaker 3: is always too too early to tell, too early to call.
Speaker 4: I think it's the same thing there, Like, you should
Speaker 4: not expect that Nicki Haley is Nicki Haley supporters aren't
Speaker 4: going to follow Nicki Haley once she endorses Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: they will fall in line. I think the other thing
Speaker 4: that was kind of interesting, and it's something that we
Speaker 4: never really talk about in primary season is American Samoa,
Speaker 4: where Jason Palmer beat Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: And thousand votes.
Speaker 3: Totally yeah, not a whole lot of there.
Speaker 4: There was a caucus in American Samoa, and I have
Speaker 4: never heard of Jason Palmer in my life, So I
Speaker 4: wish I could give you all.
Speaker 3: That political breakdown.
Speaker 1: But shouts out to you, Jason is going to be
Speaker 1: able to say, for the rest of his life, I
Speaker 1: be Joe Biden city president for the nomination.
Speaker 4: He happy to you. Didn't pit five hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 4: of his own money into that race. That's all I
Speaker 4: know about him too. Shout out to you, Jason, that's right, job,
Speaker 4: you did something. You made history.
Speaker 1: Well, there were some other shockers if we were not
Speaker 1: particularly surprised by Joe Biden and Donald Trump pretty much
Speaker 1: essentially wrapping up the nomination fight for both the Democrats
Speaker 1: and the Republicans. And for those of you all who
Speaker 1: are out there advocating for a third party, I feel you,
Speaker 1: I hear you. I always keep going back to this
Speaker 1: Ross Perot, who had more money than God, got out there,
Speaker 1: put it all in there, and it didn't even make
Speaker 1: a dent except to help help one party or another
Speaker 1: to ultimately win. So I'm not saying there's no hope.
Speaker 1: I'm just simply saying we got to be realistic in
Speaker 1: our approach and much more strategic about the launcher of
Speaker 1: a third party if we were to go that direction.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you North Carolina, and before I
Speaker 1: even just zero in on North Carolina, the South period
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly rewarded Donald Trump. I mean the numbers there, Nickie
Speaker 1: Haley couldn't even break respectable in many of these Southern states.
Speaker 1: And the upcoming few races, many of them are going
Speaker 1: to be focused on the South. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're trying to communicate something to us y'all that we
Speaker 1: don't already know, but they certainly doubled down on Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: But there was this particular race in North Carolina of
Speaker 1: the lieutenant governor who was elevated from lieutenant governor to
Speaker 1: the Republican nominee for governor of the great state of
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Y'all, I'd love for you to hear what
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has to say about him, and then I'd
Speaker 1: love for us to hear what he has to say
Speaker 1: about us.
Speaker 7: This is Martin Luther King on steroids. Okay, Now, I
Speaker 7: told that. I told that. I told that to Mark.
Speaker 7: I said, I think you're better than Martin Luther King.
Speaker 7: I think you are Martin Luther King times two.
Speaker 5: Y'all.
Speaker 3: You don't need to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I want to hear from Mark Robinson because
Speaker 2: I expect asinine, silly comments like that from Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I want to hear from the black man that he
Speaker 2: happens to be.
Speaker 1: So then let's put it. Let's just bookmark this for everybody.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump thinks that this dude, Mark Robinson is the
Speaker 1: second coming of Martin Luther King, except two times his value. Now, Mark,
Speaker 1: what do y'all have? What are you saying to us
Speaker 1: as you try to compete for this gubernatorial slot there
Speaker 1: in North Carolina?
Speaker 8: There are some people that were talking about reparations in
Speaker 8: this country. They wanted reparations, and I remember I made
Speaker 8: this particular liberal so angry at me because I told
Speaker 8: him right to their face, nobody owes you anything for slavery.
Speaker 8: If you want to tell the truth about it, it
Speaker 8: is you who owes.
Speaker 3: It's you who owes.
Speaker 5: Why do you owe because somebody in those fields took
Speaker 5: stripes for you, somebody after those fields were ended and
Speaker 5: slavery was ended, somebody had to walk through Jim.
Speaker 2: Crow for you.
Speaker 3: And he trying to send us back to Jim Crow.
Speaker 3: I guess, huh.
Speaker 1: I mean. The brother went on to say, basically, don't
Speaker 1: nobody owe you nothing. You you know, we've had our rights,
Speaker 1: we got our freedom. Now go do great things. Go
Speaker 1: do great things.
Speaker 2: I think it's important just to let the viewers know
Speaker 2: a little bit about Mark Robinson. So he's fifty five
Speaker 2: years old. He fancies himself as a conservative. His rise
Speaker 2: to fame was really these very inflammatory things that he
Speaker 2: would say on social media. So when we say we've
Speaker 2: elected the Ugly Comments section to the highest office of
Speaker 2: the land with Donald Trump, this is his offspring. He
Speaker 2: and his wife have been together for quite some time.
Speaker 2: She had an abortion before they were married, which he
Speaker 2: has come out and said he deeply regrets, which has
Speaker 2: made him a staunch anti choice advocate. He is very
Speaker 2: anti LGBTQ. That is a big part of his platform.
Speaker 2: He says the hateful things out loud. This is not
Speaker 2: somebody who has any interest in appealing to black voters.
Speaker 2: He has an interest in appealing to white voters who
Speaker 2: can feel good about themselves for voting for someone like
Speaker 2: this and be able to simultaneously say they're not racist.
Speaker 2: Because if this black man is saying these racist things,
Speaker 2: and how bad can I be. I think this is
Speaker 2: a cartoonish caricature of what Donald Trump would like to
Speaker 2: put out there before the people. To say something so
Speaker 2: disparaging about doctor King. That's not something that's seeing thinking,
Speaker 2: thoughtful people here and take seriously. It's meant to be
Speaker 2: a clippable SoundBite. The danger is that he won the
Speaker 2: primary and that he will be the head of a
Speaker 2: state within the United States with real executive power and
Speaker 2: can enact policy. And as we see increasingly the battle
Speaker 2: between state government and federal government, that is something for
Speaker 2: us all to be deeply concerned about. I just want
Speaker 2: to add, you talked about the Southern States. I am
Speaker 2: you know. It was raised in the South, and we
Speaker 2: always assume that Southern states are read. The South is
Speaker 2: only read until it ain't. And we have to remember
Speaker 2: that there are pockets throughout the South with very progressive
Speaker 2: leadership and views. We've talked about, including North Carolina, and
Speaker 2: including North Carolina.
Speaker 3: It's a primary right now, he doesn't have to win.
Speaker 2: Charlotte is a progressive area in Mississippi, Jackson is a
Speaker 2: progressive area in Alabama, Birmingham, and there are all other pockets.
Speaker 2: When we think to think about rural America, we think
Speaker 2: of the South, even though the rural American be everywhere
Speaker 2: but rule in the South. They're not just white conservative
Speaker 2: voters in rural America. There are black people, brown people
Speaker 2: who live in rural Southern areas who have the ability
Speaker 2: to change what the political South looks like. And I
Speaker 2: think instead of assuming these things happen, we need to
Speaker 2: empower those people. And if this buffoon is somebody who
Speaker 2: can scare people into organizing and activating that Southern Bible
Speaker 2: Belt hemisphere into being more politically impassioned despite systems in
Speaker 2: place that prevent them from getting to the ballot box,
Speaker 2: I'd love to see us put our resources there.
Speaker 1: But you said it, I think it matters that this
Speaker 1: guy now is the touchelor head of Republicans in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: He won out against a more status quote traditional Republican model,
Speaker 1: and so it does beg the question, Angela, what are
Speaker 1: Republicans seeing? What are they feeling when they decide to
Speaker 1: go in and elect then erect to higher office, higher position,
Speaker 1: higher authority, the voice of Republicans in that state being
Speaker 1: anti Semitic, anti LGBT in many ways, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: listening to them anti blacks their figurehead as their voice,
Speaker 1: especially when you consider the fact that North Carolina is
Speaker 1: a state than in presidential politics has come practically up
Speaker 1: to the line of of of of giving their electoral
Speaker 1: votes to Democrats.
Speaker 3: Didn't didn't.
Speaker 1: I feel Barack won it once the first time, and
Speaker 1: then we lost the second time.
Speaker 4: So I just want to say this is offer this
Speaker 4: caveat to your mother and your mother in law that
Speaker 4: he did not throw this Republican question to me because
Speaker 4: I'm a Republican.
Speaker 1: I did not.
Speaker 4: Y'all, Well, we just got to clarify because some folks either.
Speaker 4: But I think you know what's more troubling to me
Speaker 4: than the fact that they go up to the line
Speaker 4: or sometimes cross the line or don't cross the line
Speaker 4: and vote blue.
Speaker 3: Is that there are.
Speaker 4: Republican folks who are black folks in this day and
Speaker 4: age who will exchange kind of like exchange these crazy
Speaker 4: remarks to make news, to create space for themselves on
Speaker 4: the side of an aisle where the line is much shorter.
Speaker 4: I'll never forget Gary Flowers talking about how people sometimes
Speaker 4: will go and take the shorter line because they can
Speaker 4: see their rise to power quicker. That is not new Historically.
Speaker 4: Those are the same folks who negotiated with the Dutch
Speaker 4: and the Portuguese and the British to sell us into slavery.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that there are not oppressive mindsets, mentalities,
Speaker 4: and even policies on the democratic, liberal and progressive sides
Speaker 4: of the aisle. What I am saying is that if
Speaker 4: you're telling me that the folks who were actually paid
Speaker 4: when slavery ended, which was the slave owners, deserve even
Speaker 4: more and that their offspring deserve even more, and that
Speaker 4: we should be the people who are paying that, I
Speaker 4: don't have nothing to say to you. You're like, not
Speaker 4: only are you engaging in very dangerous rhetoric, you are
Speaker 4: the reason in your ancestors are the reason we're here.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll just say this, if you are educated in
Speaker 1: the state of Florida right now into its current policies,
Speaker 1: you might actually believe that's the overwhelming majority.
Speaker 3: Under the Santus curriculum.
Speaker 1: Of slaves of enslaved people were paid. This is this
Speaker 1: is what lawmakers and our state are saying.
Speaker 2: We don't know what that I don't but.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter what he believes. This platform is the proliferation
Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff, and it's dangerous and it's
Speaker 1: really why we wanted to spend just a couple of moments,
Speaker 1: not just on the presidential but y'all, we've got to
Speaker 1: look closely at who we are electing in our states.
Speaker 3: Will you get elected when you sit at home?
Speaker 2: You know? That's that's the thing.
Speaker 4: It's like, if you don't show up, you are saying
Speaker 4: to these folks, your vote matters more than mine, your
Speaker 4: voice matters more than mine. The things that you at,
Speaker 4: the policies that you push an advocate.
Speaker 3: For, matter more than me.
Speaker 4: And then you sit around and say, now, why won't
Speaker 4: this change this? Why don't full of politics? It is
Speaker 4: this dangerous cycle we can never get out of. If
Speaker 4: you say, well, I don't see myself represented, they're pharmacy
Speaker 4: at home, Well you don't see yourself represented.
Speaker 3: Therefore, now what?
Speaker 2: But I just want to say that is true. I
Speaker 2: wholeheartedly agree with everything, but I also want to acknowledge
Speaker 2: the humanity of people who do stay at home, because
Speaker 2: I understand when you are under an oppressive system where
Speaker 2: you can barely pay your rent or mortgage, where you
Speaker 2: don't know how to feed your family, and for five
Speaker 2: election cycles, somebody has been telling you it will change.
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna come through and save you. Something is going
Speaker 2: to happen where the economy will get better for you. Specifically,
Speaker 2: these dilapidated schools are going to start to serve your
Speaker 2: children and you don't see it. I'm not admonishing you.
Speaker 2: I understand that perspective. And we have to start looking
Speaker 2: at black people as black people, not as black voters.
Speaker 2: You're not a commodity in this system. So I would
Speaker 2: invite people to feel that way, or if you have
Speaker 2: somebody in your family who feels that way, something to
Speaker 2: share with them is you don't have to believe in
Speaker 2: the system. Believe in yourself. And what does this here
Speaker 2: democracy look like if you are the architect of it,
Speaker 2: and I think that speaks to your point Andrew about
Speaker 2: us being lacking in imagination. Sometimes it's they have captured
Speaker 2: our imagination and said, this is the only construct you
Speaker 2: can live in. What if we empowered ourselves?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: I just want to say, she come a long way
Speaker 3: since this morning.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: No, I still feel the same this morning. I well,
Speaker 2: just for our listeners because they know we're talking about that.
Speaker 2: We have talked about Angela and I disagree on black
Speaker 2: people who support Trump. And I'm not saying we shouldn't
Speaker 2: talk to those people, but I think what I care
Speaker 2: about it would it would never occur to me to say, Angela,
Speaker 2: this is what you should care about. You know, like
Speaker 2: you're saying, no, we have to care about them. Angela
Speaker 2: cares about this is why the comments honestly frustrate me
Speaker 2: so much sometimes because Angela I disagree on this, and
Speaker 2: so when I hear people saying or read people saying
Speaker 2: things about Angela's position, I'm like, if y'all only knew
Speaker 2: Angela actually gives a shit about your humanity. She is
Speaker 2: saying I care about you enough. I want to engage you.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you. I want to bring
Speaker 2: you along and show you why Trump is a problem.
Speaker 2: My position is I don't some people don't have to
Speaker 2: get left behind. I'm not trying to convince the slave
Speaker 2: you still a slave. If that's what you believe, then
Speaker 2: you got to stay there. My audience is somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Angela and I and Andrew we were and we were saying,
Speaker 2: this should be the podcast. We have a camera here
Speaker 2: because Angela will say no, But you have to care
Speaker 2: about those people like you have to. When I'm saying,
Speaker 2: that is not who I'm talking to. Those aren't people
Speaker 2: trying to.
Speaker 3: Focus.
Speaker 2: But but you speak to every man in a different way,
Speaker 2: Like Angela is like, impassioned about it, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: if they get something, great, I hope so. But that's
Speaker 2: just not who I'm speaking to. But I think this
Speaker 2: is such an interesting discussion because there are so many
Speaker 2: out people out there who feel how I feel, or
Speaker 2: feel how you feel, and I just I think the
Speaker 2: nuanced discussion. This is why Caple News drives me nuts,
Speaker 2: because this is a more intellectual, nuanced discussion than putting
Speaker 2: Angela on with somebody who is like this guy Mark.
Speaker 4: Round that I agree with Yeah, but I do think
Speaker 4: you know, to the point of this conversation, it felt
Speaker 4: what you just said felt very human. It felt like
Speaker 4: I don't I'm maybe I'm not gonna speak to the
Speaker 4: person who's saying if it I'm voting for Trump, they
Speaker 4: probably really aren't. Some of them are really gonna stay
Speaker 4: at home. And you talk to the folks who would
Speaker 4: stay at home, And but what I'm saying is the
Speaker 4: person who's saying they're voting for Trump because they saw
Speaker 4: something different or they heard that talked about enough, or
Speaker 4: is that same person it's the same person who says
Speaker 4: they stay at home because they're What they're saying is
Speaker 4: I just haven't seen where this party's delivered for me,
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna I gotta try something different, even if
Speaker 4: that means try something different. Is voting for this nut
Speaker 4: or staying at home? To me, it's it's no different
Speaker 4: because they're both a vote to.
Speaker 3: In democracy.
Speaker 2: I see the different. I see a big difference between
Speaker 2: those two factions of people. And you said this. I
Speaker 2: think you were saying Charlot said this, but I heard
Speaker 2: it from from you when you said it's not always
Speaker 2: a battle between Trump and Biden. It's a battle between
Speaker 2: Biden and the couch. To me, I can talk to
Speaker 2: the person who feels distant. Well, thank you Charlemagne for
Speaker 2: for that, because I think that is a legitimate thing
Speaker 2: to point out. That is my concern. That person. I
Speaker 2: can talk to somebody like this guy or follower of
Speaker 2: his who feels like, yes, they're speaking to me. I
Speaker 2: can take all of my frustrations and go to the
Speaker 2: oppressor side and adopt them because they will save me.
Speaker 2: They might not save the greater good, but they will
Speaker 2: be so grateful for my black ass walking across the
Speaker 2: aisle to them that they will bestow upon me some
Speaker 2: sort of favor. Those people, I don't. I don't care
Speaker 2: if I could.
Speaker 3: Talk to this lieutenant governor either those people you're talking to,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I think I think there's a different I think that
Speaker 4: there's someone who says, you know what, I remember feeling
Speaker 4: relief under Trump doesn't mean they didn't get relief under Biden,
Speaker 4: but Biden didn't tell them about Okay, that's fair, right.
Speaker 4: I think that there's somebody in there who's saying, I'm
Speaker 4: seeing jobs wane in my community, and everybody's you know,
Speaker 4: so frustrated about it, and Donald Trump said he was
Speaker 4: gonna close the borders.
Speaker 3: I'm not supporting his position. I'm just saying what their
Speaker 3: frustration is. I want.
Speaker 4: I want a president who's going to make sure that
Speaker 4: it's America first.
Speaker 3: Not knowing only Google America.
Speaker 4: But you know what I'm saying, Like I can understand
Speaker 4: that I don't hear the people who I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's not the it's not the And I'm trying not
Speaker 4: to use terms that are mean or or or put downs,
Speaker 4: as Miss Irene Lindsay, my second grade teacher would say,
Speaker 4: but like I don't want to call them a coon.
Speaker 3: Or mental show, even though something.
Speaker 4: Even though sometimes I feel that way, but some of
Speaker 4: the people who are raising this are not them. They're
Speaker 4: talking about economic relief, they're talking about the migrant crisis.
Speaker 4: They're talking about Maybe some of them might be pro.
Speaker 3: Life, I don't know, but like anti choice, I.
Speaker 4: Agree with that too, But I'm saying they might see
Speaker 4: I'm church, I'm Jesus all day, So you can't have
Speaker 4: an abortion, even if I gave myself grace for having
Speaker 4: one three years ago. I'm saying there's some there's some
Speaker 4: in between there's some nuance there, and I don't want
Speaker 4: to throw everyone out at the same time.
Speaker 3: Everybody a mind.
Speaker 1: I both have had a really I think it was
Speaker 1: very important conversation, were we not. You were in it
Speaker 1: this morning as well. I'm not sure how this is.
Speaker 1: I mean, my position on this is very I think
Speaker 1: black people are pragmatic voters at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: at the beginning to day period what's up. And I
Speaker 1: said it before on this podcast that we cannot deconstruct
Speaker 1: four hundred years of institute more than that, by the way,
Speaker 1: but certainly the enslavement of our people. But we can't
Speaker 1: replace all of the systems and structures that have been
Speaker 1: designed to hold up to lift up white supremacy in
Speaker 1: this country with one administration, even a two or three
Speaker 1: or four. We can obviously make strides toward it. And
Speaker 1: to that end, y'all, I think it takes us Angela.
Speaker 1: You made the comment that we're hearing the soundbites that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump speaks being paraded back by some of these
Speaker 1: very people that we're talking about. Because he says it,
Speaker 1: he takes responding, he takes credit for and that takes
Speaker 1: us to this next conversation after the break, which is
Speaker 1: going to be about what we want to hear from
Speaker 1: vice from the President of the United States, Joe Biden
Speaker 1: as he comes to the nation and what I think
Speaker 1: is one of the most important platforms that he gets
Speaker 1: where he gets to update the country on the true
Speaker 1: state of the nation. So, like we said, the State
Speaker 1: of the Union is the opportunity for the president to
Speaker 1: just lay it out, what have you done, and what
Speaker 1: do you want to do and why should we basically
Speaker 1: bring you back? But it is also an opportunity if
Speaker 1: you slick and sly and clever enough to get some
Speaker 1: jabs in there if you need to end it was really,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, y'all, nobody better than this. Let's hear
Speaker 1: this clip and see if it moves you in any way, everybody,
Speaker 1: I have no more campaigns to run. My only agenda I.
Speaker 5: Know, because I won both of them.
Speaker 1: Shade listen. So that was Notorious Obama, not to be
Speaker 1: confused with Notorious Big And for those of you who
Speaker 1: are listening as podcasts I guess are designed for that purpose,
Speaker 1: you may not have caught that all. But basically that
Speaker 1: was Barack Obama saying it the state of the Union.
Speaker 1: Look I've got no more racist to run, And of
Speaker 1: course the sly asked Republicans respond with cheers and applause
Speaker 1: and of oblation that he can't run again, and of
Speaker 1: course the president, his clever slyway, responds, I know this
Speaker 1: because I won both my elections, which was again I thought,
Speaker 1: a cute you know who drop of the mic moment.
Speaker 1: But but I do think there is something about both
Speaker 1: in the substance. I won't put it past Joe that.
Speaker 3: It might not be like this, but maybe he'll do
Speaker 3: his own way, you know.
Speaker 2: I think, because we all traffic in this, this is
Speaker 2: what we do, that we are watching the State of
Speaker 2: the Union. I would be curious to see the ratings
Speaker 2: for the past couple of States of the Unions. That
Speaker 2: I've been better prepared, I would have seen that most
Speaker 2: Americans are not sitting around their television's watching this. There
Speaker 2: are thousands of things screaming for our attention all the time.
Speaker 2: Angelo's is gonna look up those numbers. I'm sure there
Speaker 2: are thousands of things screaming for our attention all the time.
Speaker 2: And so really, people will hear about it in those
Speaker 2: clippable moments. They'll hear about it and you know social
Speaker 2: media clips, they're just not as engaged. So that's the
Speaker 2: first challenge I think for President Biden to speaking in soundbites.
Speaker 2: He is not President Barack Obama. And because we live
Speaker 2: in such a social media society, we people look for
Speaker 2: that great orgs or people want to feel goosebumps, like
Speaker 2: it's a Baptist minister, and I think it's hard for
Speaker 2: people to understand you get a president like that maybe
Speaker 2: once in a lifetime. We had you know, John F.
Speaker 2: Kennedy was amazing in that way. Ronald Reagan a Republican,
Speaker 2: but he was the great communicator. He was an actor literally,
Speaker 2: and so people connect it with him. And you know,
Speaker 2: we had President Barack Obama. Bill Clinton had some of that.
Speaker 2: But there was something magical about Barack Obama. I am
Speaker 2: not saying this because you're my co host and you're
Speaker 2: sitting here. There was something magical about you that would
Speaker 2: inspire people to like leave, you know, college for a semester.
Speaker 2: You had that that unspoken thing that you can tell
Speaker 2: when somebody's reaching for it, they're aiming for it, they're
Speaker 2: trying to perform. Andrew you had it naturally on that
Speaker 2: campaign trail in this podcast. When we have discussions sometimes
Speaker 2: even when we're not, when we're just in our you know,
Speaker 2: private discussions, you still have that magical thing. I don't
Speaker 2: believe President Biden has that. And so the challenge for
Speaker 2: him for America on Thursday is to convince people that
Speaker 2: I'm still with you and I understand you in a
Speaker 2: clippable way. And right now. The one thing that he
Speaker 2: can can focus on that speaks to everybody, regardless of
Speaker 2: what side of the al you're on, is the economy.
Speaker 2: And I think he has to strike that balance between
Speaker 2: focusing on macroeconomics and microeconomics because people will say, well,
Speaker 2: income equality is shrinking. Well, try selling that to people
Speaker 2: in the hood who don't feel that, who've seen no
Speaker 2: such evidence. People will say, oh, the economy is great
Speaker 2: for me, because they're referencing the stock market, which is
Speaker 2: not the economy. Try selling that, you know, Wall Street
Speaker 2: talk on Main Street. It doesn't go so to me.
Speaker 2: That is his one unifying message that can resonate with
Speaker 2: a lot of folks, especially the people who you talk
Speaker 2: about who you know, think, oh, well, Donald Trump signed
Speaker 2: my stimulus checks, and so if he gets reelected, I'll
Speaker 2: be getting these kind of checks again and it's just
Speaker 2: it's just not true. So I'd be curious to see.
Speaker 2: Can I just say, reallyquick, the Angela found Joe Biden's
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three State of the Union address was watched
Speaker 2: by twenty seven point three million viewers.
Speaker 1: That's the largest concentration.
Speaker 2: That's about eleven million viewers lower than the previous year's figure,
Speaker 2: and I think we'll continue to see that number, that
Speaker 2: figure shrinking.
Speaker 1: I think that's true. But I will tell you, for
Speaker 1: a president to make a statement, an hour long statement,
Speaker 1: and have twenty seven million Americans watching is probably the
Speaker 1: broadest audience a president is going to get over the
Speaker 1: course of their administration.
Speaker 4: Clinton gathered the largest audience with nearly seventy million viewers. Yes, well,
Speaker 4: like just by comparison, look, I.
Speaker 1: Think about Norman Lear, who was a mentor of mine,
Speaker 1: and I think that every week he reached into one
Speaker 1: hundred million households with his shows. I mean so, but
Speaker 1: TV there's a lot.
Speaker 3: I like Obama had fifty two point four million.
Speaker 1: For a lot of reasons, right to go ahead, But
Speaker 1: I was just Tiffany's comments hit on both style and
Speaker 1: I think substance of it. And I just want to
Speaker 1: just for a moment say, in addition to the things
Speaker 1: that I want to hear from this president, I hope
Speaker 1: that he takes it slow. I hope he acknowledged. I
Speaker 1: hope he knows as he stands in the well of
Speaker 1: the US Congress before Democrats and Republicans, that he is
Speaker 1: the president of the United States of America. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: in the run, he's in the campaign, but right now
Speaker 1: the man is doing the job. And I think if
Speaker 1: he embodies that, I think he can become a different
Speaker 1: kind of communicator who comes off more declarative, more decisive.
Speaker 1: Don't rush us through your remarks, mister President, because they
Speaker 1: are important, and we want to hear what you have
Speaker 1: to say, largely because there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are hanging out there trying to see if you've
Speaker 1: got what they need to then turn out and then
Speaker 1: support you again for this office. And so if i'm him,
Speaker 1: I want to hear a moral statement about Israel and
Speaker 1: about the West Bank and Palestinians. I want to moral,
Speaker 1: declarative argument. Your policy has been falling flat for most
Speaker 1: people because they don't see nothing y'all who acting by it.
Speaker 1: But this generation of young voters. They see right and wrong,
Speaker 1: and if you can't make the case and make it clearly,
Speaker 1: you're going to have a problem. But I think we've
Speaker 1: got to be reminded as a country why we are
Speaker 1: involved in places all around the world when people are saying, well,
Speaker 1: why aren't you involved like that right here at home?
Speaker 1: Make us understand why it is it matters for us
Speaker 1: to be on the front lines where we are. And
Speaker 1: then the other thing I really need to hear from
Speaker 1: I think from this president during these remarks is I
Speaker 1: hope he cast a vision for where he wants to
Speaker 1: take us Nobody. Unfortunately, the economic numbers are not falling
Speaker 1: the way they want to hear them. So then tell
Speaker 1: me about if I'm the everyday, average working American. Walk
Speaker 1: me through that picture, Paint that picture, Grab me by
Speaker 1: the hand, and walk me down the street so I
Speaker 1: can look to the left at that new house, and
Speaker 1: to the right at that new business, and down the
Speaker 1: road to a changing landscape in my neighborhood. Walk me
Speaker 1: down that road so I can I can emotionally connect
Speaker 1: with you around the public policy you want to pursue.
Speaker 1: Except that policy is coming right up my block, and
Speaker 1: I think they've failed in so many ways to put
Speaker 1: the people at the center of their outreach at the
Speaker 1: White House through this administration. And again, I think it's
Speaker 1: because the President is saying, I'm doing the hard work
Speaker 1: every single day. Why can't they see it? And unfortunately
Speaker 1: we can't see it if you don't say.
Speaker 2: It every community validators.
Speaker 4: I want to get into this because this comes up
Speaker 4: a lot, and that is what is the Biden administration's
Speaker 4: agenda for black people. Every year during Black History Month,
Speaker 4: they release another update on their accomplishments for the Black community.
Speaker 4: I think sometimes those accomplishments feel not like they're on
Speaker 4: the nose. And I mean what I mean by that is,
Speaker 4: for example, they'll say the number of black businesses that
Speaker 4: were that were started, the number the entrepreneurship in the
Speaker 4: black community significantly increased under the Biden administration. Well, unless
Speaker 4: y'all walked up to our door with legal zoom, right, like,
Speaker 4: you can't really take credit for that. You can say
Speaker 4: that you've you know, lessened regulations and made it easier
Speaker 4: to make it happen, or even most recently, they've announced
Speaker 4: that they're gonna restrict.
Speaker 3: Credit card late fees to eight dollars.
Speaker 4: Right, those kinds of things are indirectly helpful to black people,
Speaker 4: but that's not just for black people. So what happens
Speaker 4: is they end up attributing black accomplishment to successes that
Speaker 4: benefit the whole of the country.
Speaker 3: And I appreciate that. I remember when Barack Obama.
Speaker 4: Would say, you know, I'm not the president for Black
Speaker 4: America and president of the United States of America. I
Speaker 4: understand this strategy, but I still think when someone a
Speaker 4: group of people resurrect your campaign from the dead, you
Speaker 4: owe them some things.
Speaker 3: You owe them several things.
Speaker 4: And I do think it is smart for black people
Speaker 4: to want to see progress from this administration. They also
Speaker 4: we also can't forget how civix works. We also can't
Speaker 4: forget that the legislative branch has something to do. One
Speaker 4: of my favorite moments in a Barack Obama State of
Speaker 4: the dress, a State of the Union address was him
Speaker 4: saying like he was ready with the pap with the pen.
Speaker 4: You bring the paper to his desk. He was ready
Speaker 4: with the pen, and it was I just remixed that
Speaker 4: like I do Bible verses. But you understand the point.
Speaker 4: If they bring him a bill he can sign he's
Speaker 4: going to sign it into law. And so the things,
Speaker 4: the very things that black folks need the most, require
Speaker 4: legislative action. It does not preclude him from acting lator,
Speaker 4: acting in executive powers, signing executive actions, signing.
Speaker 3: Executive orders to ensure our overall protection.
Speaker 4: He can absolutely hit on some of these things in
Speaker 4: the State of the Union address, and I'm sure he will.
Speaker 4: One of the things he likes to go to a
Speaker 4: lot is how many black judges, black women judges in particular,
Speaker 4: he's appointed. I think that's fantastic. We need a little
Speaker 4: bit more than that. People are still crying out for relief.
Speaker 4: You made a great point around the economy. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: people are not filling that impact with inflation up like,
Speaker 4: they're not feeling that impact. So we have to make
Speaker 4: sure that people feel it, and that might mean person
Speaker 4: by person. I think we talked about this on a
Speaker 4: podcast recently too, around the diabetes piece. If it doesn't
Speaker 4: impact us directly, don't hit us with no indirect stuff.
Speaker 4: That's not gonna work right now. It needs to be
Speaker 4: on the nose accomplishments for black folks.
Speaker 5: That's real.
Speaker 2: Well, there's also the issue, you know Isela, You've made
Speaker 2: this point. It is our right to make demands of
Speaker 2: this party, and I just don't see that with other
Speaker 2: constituency groups, Like you wouldn't feel the need to say, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not the president for all people who want gun
Speaker 2: control or for just people wh want gun control. I'm
Speaker 2: the president for everybody. Like we don't need to make
Speaker 2: those distinctions. You know, it is a constant in politics
Speaker 2: where it's a whisper to black folks, you know, like, hey,
Speaker 2: after I get elected, i'ma look y'all up. But everybody
Speaker 2: else on the stump, you are loud and proud about
Speaker 2: what you're going to do for them. And I think
Speaker 2: it impacts how we look at it, Like people get
Speaker 2: very uncomfortable at some of the things we say here,
Speaker 2: some of the things that we said on air, and
Speaker 2: it's not it's not out of like we don't have
Speaker 2: the right. It's really out of fear. Don't make the
Speaker 2: white folks too uncomfortable, or we won't be able to
Speaker 2: have this. And we have to stop that way of thinking.
Speaker 2: We are looking at a future, a near future that
Speaker 2: we can all see, envision and touch. By twenty forty,
Speaker 2: there will be no racial majority in this country. And
Speaker 2: so the power structure will still mostly rest with a
Speaker 2: lot of white Americans. As we're disrupting that power, it's
Speaker 2: going to be uncomfortable for some people. So I would
Speaker 2: invite our community and every community who has some curiosity
Speaker 2: about your fellow countrymen, get comfortable with being uncomfortable, because
Speaker 2: the power structure is changing. Power seeds nothing without demand.
Speaker 2: It's up to us to make that demand.
Speaker 1: You're right about it. And I just want to say
Speaker 1: that there are black people in positions of power all
Speaker 1: around this country, from mayor's school boards, councils, state legislatures,
Speaker 1: governor a governor, and aspirants alike. And don't get confused
Speaker 1: when you start seeing some of us react in ways
Speaker 1: that start to reflect some of the patriarchy that we
Speaker 1: see exhibited by frankly by and enlarged by white men
Speaker 1: in greater society, and white women as well. And black
Speaker 1: folks have been less comfortable with being in positions of
Speaker 1: power because in so many ways it's still new. But
Speaker 1: the statement that power seeds nothing doesn't say just white
Speaker 1: power seeds nothing. It says power seeds nothing. And so
Speaker 1: I think about this one I hear the immigration debate,
Speaker 1: I think about this when I hear some of the
Speaker 1: critiques that we make of other professional blacks. You know,
Speaker 1: we got to be above bar and better than everybody
Speaker 1: to do just this, that and a third. And then
Speaker 1: this judgmental things come comes down and you start to
Speaker 1: act in ways that resemble the people who are pressed you.
Speaker 1: And I want to call it to our consciousness, because
Speaker 1: I know we've got, you know, a blessed audience of
Speaker 1: people who are experiencing probably various levels of success in
Speaker 1: their own lives. To just be cognizant that when we
Speaker 1: start to look out here and start to react in ways,
Speaker 1: especially around the changing demographic in this country, and ways
Speaker 1: that start to resemble the way in which the oppressed
Speaker 1: have acted toward us all of this time, to just
Speaker 1: check yourself and understand that you're hopefully that your commitment,
Speaker 1: that your reason for doing and for being is far
Speaker 1: outside of having to step on somebody else's neck back,
Speaker 1: kill them, destroy them, set them up for failure as
Speaker 1: the only way in which you were able to survive.
Speaker 1: That isn't the truth, That has never been our truth.
Speaker 1: And so I just hope that folks recommit themselves to
Speaker 1: a deeper understanding of what it means when you get
Speaker 1: in the position and the seat of control. How do
Speaker 1: you conduct yourself? Do you start saying every brown person
Speaker 1: who's on a work site is there illegally because you
Speaker 1: don't see any people who are black anymore? Just check it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I actually want to get into a story that we
Speaker 2: teased last week about Marilyn Moseby. So let's go to
Speaker 2: a quick break and then I want to pick that up.
Speaker 2: On the other side. You brought up a really good
Speaker 2: point about what will you do when you're in power
Speaker 2: and somebody who was in power and held the line
Speaker 2: for black folks is now in the line of fire.
Speaker 2: And I've talked about this a little bit last week,
Speaker 2: and I want to talk about it this week. Marilyn Moseby,
Speaker 2: she is the former her District Attorney for the City
Speaker 2: of Baltimore. And for our younger viewers or people who
Speaker 2: may have forgotten, I just want to remind you all
Speaker 2: how we came to know Marilyn Moseby. This was the
Speaker 2: Freddie Gray case in the City of Baltimore. You all
Speaker 2: remember Freddy Gray was arrested and taken for a death
Speaker 2: ride essentially, yes, absolutely, and he later died from injuries
Speaker 2: sustained there, and Marilyn Moseby charged those officers. And I
Speaker 2: just want to remind our viewers of what that moment
Speaker 2: meant to us when she stood on the steps of Baltimore.
Speaker 2: So let's listen to her and then we'll talk about
Speaker 2: it on the other side.
Speaker 9: The findings of our comprehensive, thorough an independent investigation, coupled
Speaker 9: with the medical examiner's determination that mister Grey's death was
Speaker 9: a homicide, which we received today, has led us to
Speaker 9: believe that we have probable cause to file criminal target
Speaker 9: to the youth of this city, I will see justice
Speaker 9: on your behalf. This is a moment, this is your moment.
Speaker 9: Let's ensure that we have peaceful and productive rallies that
Speaker 9: will develop structural and systemic changes for generations to come.
Speaker 9: You're at the forefront of this cause, and as young people,
Speaker 9: our time is now.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was so important to play that
Speaker 2: because it was such a moment, and I want to
Speaker 2: remind people that the role of a DA because Vice
Speaker 2: President Kamala Harris also was, you know, essentially attacked on
Speaker 2: the campaign trail because people feel like you're a cop.
Speaker 2: You put people away. Let me explain something. The role
Speaker 2: of a DA is to decide who to charge, what
Speaker 2: charges to bring. That is important because they also decide
Speaker 2: who not to charge and what charges not to So
Speaker 2: you need people who look like us in those positions.
Speaker 2: It was grossly unreported on. When the media started paying
Speaker 2: more attention to those types of things and happening in
Speaker 2: different bureaucracies and different municipalities, we saw a sweep of
Speaker 2: more black people being elected in those positions. These are
Speaker 2: elected positions. So this is why, to Andrew's point, those
Speaker 2: down ballot races matter just as much. Maryland was elected
Speaker 2: to that position. She pissed off a lot of people.
Speaker 2: The police unions were very upset with her after that happened,
Speaker 2: and vowed vengeance and played the long game. And so Angela,
Speaker 2: I know this is something that you have been closely monitoring.
Speaker 2: I know you talked to some sources on the ground.
Speaker 2: So I'd love to hear because i know that she's
Speaker 2: been charged with things and convicted at this point, but
Speaker 2: I'm not really clear on all the charges and what
Speaker 2: exactly she did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to just double down a little bit
Speaker 4: in what you were just saying about Maryland's role.
Speaker 3: Marylynd was a force.
Speaker 4: To be reckoned with as the Baltimore City State's Attorney.
Speaker 4: And the thing was, I was assuming this was all
Speaker 4: because of Freddy Gray, but it actually is much deeper
Speaker 4: than that. Freddy Gray was twenty fifteen. In twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: the Department of Justice released a report on Baltimore. Baltimore
Speaker 4: Police departments patterns and practices of just like so many violations.
Speaker 4: I mean, I can go through them.
Speaker 1: There's ale c cent degree.
Speaker 3: There's a laundry list. Yes, they were under consent degree.
Speaker 2: After explain what.
Speaker 1: Consent simply stated, when the Justice Department comes in and
Speaker 1: they have recognized or observed a consistent pattern of misconduct,
Speaker 1: the Justice Department then has the right to step into
Speaker 1: that agency to uncover whatever it needs to uncover, and
Speaker 1: then to basically put them on a diet or an
Speaker 1: action plan would be a better description.
Speaker 3: Probation.
Speaker 1: Probation but also with a set of actions, steps that
Speaker 1: you were supposed to take to cure the harm.
Speaker 2: It's important for listeners to understand that because a lot
Speaker 2: of time on cable news platforms they'll say these things
Speaker 2: like DJ and content degree. People don't know, so I
Speaker 2: think it's far.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's important underscore that most of the consent
Speaker 1: degrees that have come down over the history of DOJ
Speaker 1: have been to right wrongs that have mostly been perpetuated
Speaker 1: against black folks all across the country.
Speaker 4: So, in addition to the Freddy Gray case, the consent decree,
Speaker 4: because you all know that she did charge six officers
Speaker 4: in the Freddy Gray case and was not successful.
Speaker 2: But after that, none of the officers were convicted, correct, not.
Speaker 3: That I remember, Yeah, not that I remember.
Speaker 4: So after that, Maryland went on to successfully prosecute thirty
Speaker 4: three police officers on various convictions. There was a gun
Speaker 4: Trace Task Force in twenty seventeen where eight officers were
Speaker 4: charged and convicted by twenty eighteen relating to stealing money
Speaker 4: stealing like all types of corruption. She was successful in that.
Speaker 4: In addition to that, she worked with a delegate in
Speaker 4: Maryland by the name of Eric Barron, who you will
Speaker 4: hear more about later.
Speaker 3: I'll go back to that.
Speaker 4: But she also was She told people when she came
Speaker 4: into office that she was not going to prosecute any
Speaker 4: weed convictions.
Speaker 3: Folks were upset about that.
Speaker 2: A lot of low level offenses she declined to prosecute yes.
Speaker 3: And specifically around weed.
Speaker 4: She was like, yeah, sorry, marijuana, cannabis convintion. She was
Speaker 4: not going to do that. She worked on a bill
Speaker 4: with a former state Delegate, Eric Barron, and that bill
Speaker 4: was a vacature statute in twenty nineteen, and she and
Speaker 4: from that also worked to remove the convictions of eight
Speaker 4: hundred of eight hundred plus cases from the thirty three
Speaker 4: or sorry, from the eight officers that were associated with
Speaker 4: the Gun Trace Task Force.
Speaker 2: What is the old statue?
Speaker 1: She over a vacated previous previous guilty verdicts or if
Speaker 1: there were negotiations between and somebody you know, cop to
Speaker 1: being having done what you said I did, whether they
Speaker 1: did it or not sentence, So she vacated those previous orders.
Speaker 5: Got it.
Speaker 4: Then, in addition to that, helped to exonerate thirteen innocent
Speaker 4: black men, and then worked through her Crime Control and
Speaker 4: Prevention Division to develop and foster relationships that are healthy
Speaker 4: relationships with the justice system with seven thousand young people.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: When she was voted out of office in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 4: her opponent basically has undone all of those reforms. They
Speaker 4: were mostly funded by Sinclair I'm broadcasting, and.
Speaker 2: So Sinclair Broadcasting is a conservative outlet. What do you
Speaker 2: mean they were funded.
Speaker 1: Which runs probably any.
Speaker 2: Local wherever you live in your neighborhood. But you're saying
Speaker 2: they funded this guy's campaign against Yeah. Can I just
Speaker 2: say one thing really quickly, in full disclosure, I worked
Speaker 2: with Nick Mosby, Maryland's either soon to be x husband
Speaker 2: or ex husband on a campaign, so I know a
Speaker 2: little bit about Baltimore. It has the highest concentration of
Speaker 2: formally incarcerated individuals. Did at the time that number may
Speaker 2: have shifted. So high is this number that on campaigns
Speaker 2: when people run for mayor, the formerly incarcerated are organized
Speaker 2: enough that they endorse candidates, they hold candidate forums, and
Speaker 2: they It is impressive to see. And it's mostly black men,
Speaker 2: probably ninety eight percent Black men, who have you know,
Speaker 2: served their time, whether it was deserved or not, but
Speaker 2: as we all know, it's a very unforgiving criminal justice
Speaker 2: system and have come out and use their political power
Speaker 2: and they I know Marilyn Mosby and Nick would both
Speaker 2: engage them, so her work seems stellar.
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, I'm glad that you said that.
Speaker 4: I think the thing to know now is fast forward
Speaker 4: past all of that success, there's little black kids that
Speaker 4: now are like, oh, I actually can be a prosecutor.
Speaker 3: I see myself reflected in this.
Speaker 4: My family members who I thought would normally be on
Speaker 4: the other end of what I've done, would actually be
Speaker 4: helped by me being in office. Maryland has been severely
Speaker 4: punished so since then, Maryland has faced several counts of
Speaker 4: perjury of making false mortgage applications. She was tried in
Speaker 4: November of twenty twenty three for and I'm sorry, convicted
Speaker 4: in November twenty twenty three of two counts of perjury.
Speaker 3: The charges were related.
Speaker 4: To withdrawing of funds from the City of Baltimore's deferred
Speaker 4: compensation plan. That's as if if you had a four
Speaker 4: oh one K, if you're in corporate on the hill,
Speaker 4: we had thrift savings plan.
Speaker 3: This is her money, her money that she's like a
Speaker 3: retirement plan of her sorrow and k.
Speaker 1: So even better than a retirement plan. A deferred compensation
Speaker 1: plan is like you're supposed to get thirty more thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a year in your salary, except you defer that
Speaker 1: thirty thousand into a retirement plan or into a savings account.
Speaker 1: That acts like a retirement plan which you can borrow
Speaker 1: from at any point in time, and it accrues interests,
Speaker 1: but the interest is paid back to yourself. This is
Speaker 1: she that money money.
Speaker 4: Wow, And so she claimed adverse financial consequences during the
Speaker 4: COVID pandemic.
Speaker 3: Let's just pause right there.
Speaker 4: Then, the two withdrawals that she took out, I want
Speaker 4: to make sure I hit these amounts. This is very important.
Speaker 4: Forty thousand dollars and fifty thousand dollars. So that's for
Speaker 4: a total of ninety thousand dollars. The deferred compensation plan
Speaker 4: is a four point fifty seven B and it's a
Speaker 4: COVID related distribution request.
Speaker 3: The executive director of this deferred.
Speaker 4: Compensation plan, his name is David Randall, testified on the
Speaker 4: stand that a hardship, it's not a hardship, it's an
Speaker 4: adverse financial consequence. And an adverse financial consequence could be
Speaker 4: fifty dollars. If you were hit by fifty dollars, you
Speaker 4: can you would qualify for being able to withdraw this money.
Speaker 4: The Department of Justice argued that she didn't experience financial hardship,
Speaker 4: which is an objective standard. It's the subjective the subjective
Speaker 4: standard is an adverse financial consequence, So they were arguing
Speaker 4: two different.
Speaker 1: STANDARDSLA just just to say further about the objectiveness of it.
Speaker 1: The reason why it is further objective is because you
Speaker 1: can't go to a computer and put it in a
Speaker 1: reason and then it put out an approval or denial.
Speaker 1: An individual must hear a reason and that individual then
Speaker 1: decides whether or not you meet it or you don't.
Speaker 1: So there are guidelines, but it's almost it is almost
Speaker 1: one subjective.
Speaker 3: And she was able to withdraw.
Speaker 4: And the point is a proof of it, right, DJ
Speaker 4: the Department of Justice said she didn't experience financial hardship
Speaker 4: again or arguing that objective standard, because she received her
Speaker 4: full salary.
Speaker 3: Now here's where I want to pause.
Speaker 4: As black people, how many of us know she makes
Speaker 4: on the north another side of two undred and fifty
Speaker 4: thousand dollars a year as a prosecutor.
Speaker 3: She's the breadwinner for her family.
Speaker 2: Her husband is in a city council, pays very.
Speaker 1: Little, but forget about him. Her mama cousin every knows.
Speaker 4: Children so young, if anyone went through the pandemic, remember
Speaker 4: like we have to put ourselves there. We don't know
Speaker 4: when this thing is going to end. We don't know
Speaker 4: how long we're carrying the people in our family. That
Speaker 4: is an adverse financial consequence. You don't get to decide
Speaker 4: that for her. So this is all of what's what's
Speaker 4: at play in this November trial. They said there's no
Speaker 4: definition for what an adverse financial consequences consequence is. That
Speaker 4: is why seven hundred and thirty nine people in the
Speaker 4: City of Baltimore who have on the same deferred conversation
Speaker 4: plan withdrew money from that.
Speaker 3: Three of them were.
Speaker 4: In the same agency as Marilyn Moseby. But she's the one.
Speaker 2: How manywhere prosecuted her charge?
Speaker 5: I do?
Speaker 4: I think Marylynd is the only one because they're making
Speaker 4: an example out of her.
Speaker 3: So this is very clear.
Speaker 4: Marilyn at this point, her marriage is on the rocks.
Speaker 4: She is thinking about home ownership and the fact that
Speaker 4: she does not own a home because her name is
Speaker 4: not on the family home, and she's trying to figure
Speaker 4: out how to get on her feet with her two girls.
Speaker 3: Henselos two withdraws because they're going to be used. She
Speaker 3: hopes to buy a home for them. Now, the potential
Speaker 3: potential sentence for the two perjury counts she was convicted
Speaker 3: on is three years. I'm sorry, five years. Now, let's
Speaker 3: go to February twenty twenty four, because that's not it.
Speaker 3: They bifurcated the trials. They bifurcated the charges. So she's
Speaker 3: tried on this first set of issues. Now there's the
Speaker 3: mortgage application issue.
Speaker 2: So right now it's five years for the well you
Speaker 2: just explained us. She's facing five years.
Speaker 4: Yes, she has not been sentenced yet from the November
Speaker 4: case because they were waiting to sentence her altogether after
Speaker 4: the February case. So in February, just last month, she
Speaker 4: was facing two counts and making false mortgage applications. She
Speaker 4: was found guilty and convicted for one of those counts.
Speaker 4: They say that she made seven missrepresentations in her mortgage application,
Speaker 4: including not sharing that there was a delinquent tax lien.
Speaker 4: Nick has already testified. Nick Boseby's already testified in court
Speaker 4: that he lied to her about clearing that lien, so
Speaker 4: the mortgage application was answered to the best of her knowledge.
Speaker 4: They said that she was not supposed to use the
Speaker 4: property as a rental property. Put a pin in that.
Speaker 4: We'll get back to that later, that she lied about
Speaker 4: a gift that she received from Nick in the amount
Speaker 4: of five thousand dollars, and that she wasn't honest about
Speaker 4: a revolving account. They thought the tax line should go
Speaker 4: on the revolving account. It's a whole mess. This is
Speaker 4: a mortgage application. I think those of us who have
Speaker 4: ever owned a home, there are a lot of things
Speaker 4: that you're doing to just try to get to the
Speaker 4: finish line in this process. And she was told by
Speaker 4: her mortgage broker. Mortgage broker testifies to this that he
Speaker 4: told her that she could not withdraw the five thousand
Speaker 4: dollars from the shared account she has with her child.
Speaker 3: She put her daughter on her checking account.
Speaker 4: You cannot pay for the five thousand dollars earnest money
Speaker 4: with a miner's account.
Speaker 3: So they said, do you have a joint account.
Speaker 4: She said yes. He said, well, can you get the
Speaker 4: money from your husband? She says, sure, I'll ask him
Speaker 4: for it, but she was not sure if he had
Speaker 4: it based on the tax ling situation. She asked him
Speaker 4: for the money, not sure that he has it. Because
Speaker 4: black women are always going to fill in the gap.
Speaker 4: She deposits the money and he can give it back
Speaker 4: to her, but to a different account. They decided that
Speaker 4: this is some type of money launder and enterprise, right,
Speaker 4: and then like all, it's this craziness.
Speaker 3: Anyway, the jury.
Speaker 4: Acquitted her on the Kissame property but convicted on the
Speaker 4: long Boat Key property.
Speaker 3: Both of them are Florida condos.
Speaker 4: That issue is mostly is this five thousand dollars gift
Speaker 4: from her husband and the prosecution is claiming that it
Speaker 4: was this whole money laundering operation. The thing that stresses
Speaker 4: me out about this is just from this piece alone.
Speaker 4: Maryland is facing thirty years no five.
Speaker 2: So is this in addition to so she get thirty
Speaker 2: five years?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she could.
Speaker 2: This is a mother, This is a mother. But even
Speaker 2: beyond that.
Speaker 4: This is I know we said we're not cussing that
Speaker 4: much on this podcast, but this is bullshit. And to
Speaker 4: tap into the bullshit, Scott Bolden, who was her attorney
Speaker 4: on the first case, went on the court steps and said,
Speaker 4: this is bullshit. God threatened to be held in criminal contempt.
Speaker 1: Because you can't speak ill the court.
Speaker 3: Wow. But he was on the court set outside.
Speaker 2: Making I got that's crazy, that's what I want to hear.
Speaker 1: You cannot insult the court.
Speaker 3: And this is I said, I wasn't gonna say this.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell y'all the delegate, the former delegate who
Speaker 4: she worked on the legislation with the the Eric the
Speaker 4: vacator statue is the prosecutor in the case.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Now, okay, let me ask this is the prosecutor in
Speaker 2: this case and did he decide to do this or
Speaker 2: was he instructed to do this?
Speaker 4: Well, you can always say no, you can quit, you can.
Speaker 4: But here's my other thing. Eric Barron is a black man,
Speaker 4: a US attorney who was appointed by this administration, this
Speaker 4: judge who was threatening to hold Scott in criminal contempt
Speaker 4: of the court, which then put him in conflict to
Speaker 4: not be able to represent Maryland in the second trial.
Speaker 4: She then had to get a public defender in the
Speaker 4: second trial, the judge to threaten to hold him in
Speaker 4: the criminal content of the court, black woman appointed by
Speaker 4: Joe Biden as well.
Speaker 1: So again, this is I know, a huge night.
Speaker 4: Federal charges, federal charges, facing thirty five years in prison
Speaker 4: for what like.
Speaker 1: Can you just name check the identity the race of
Speaker 1: these individuals who were culprits in this all. I made
Speaker 1: the point earlier route power and I said it was
Speaker 1: in many ways without regard to race. I know you're
Speaker 1: not done, but I want to pull back just for
Speaker 1: a second, because first of all, to learn of the
Speaker 1: particulars is to just grow more frustrated by the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Because I think the greatest offense occurred when you pull
Speaker 1: back to their ever being charges in the first place.
Speaker 1: I would like to know how many times the US
Speaker 1: attorney in this district has bought similar like charges to
Speaker 1: any other.
Speaker 3: Person correct in the city.
Speaker 1: Because this, this, this, this gets at the heart of
Speaker 1: selective prosecution. Selective prosecution, which is a defined term in
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. The United States Department of Justice
Speaker 1: understands what it means to select because of who the
Speaker 1: person is, to then decide to go after them for
Speaker 1: reasons or causes that you have never pursued anyone else,
Speaker 1: never pursued anyone else.
Speaker 3: It is targeted and to make an example out of her.
Speaker 4: And it's not just for anybody who becomes a prosecutor
Speaker 4: in Baltimore.
Speaker 3: It is for black prosecutors.
Speaker 1: Across the state. Plainly, what the example is. The example
Speaker 1: is this woman had the unmitigated goal to turn a
Speaker 1: system that has survived generations, that has survived ancestors that
Speaker 1: has survived, and is that it is a critical part
Speaker 1: of upholding the status quo as they know it. If
Speaker 1: police officers in Baltimore now know that they can be
Speaker 1: held accountable for their illegal activity while under the cover
Speaker 1: of the badge, y'all, are you kidding me? She has
Speaker 1: I cannot overstate on this podcast how critical her disruption
Speaker 1: has been. I would say that Marilyn Moseby was at
Speaker 1: the tip of the spear of prosecutors around this country
Speaker 1: deciding that it was okay to then pursue prosecutions law
Speaker 1: enforcement officers. So her example is not just about being
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Her example is influence is it is larger
Speaker 1: than any of us will ever be able to put work.
Speaker 2: I have a question for you, if I may this woman,
Speaker 2: well both of you, really, we cannot let she held
Speaker 2: the line for us as a community, and she faced
Speaker 2: and squared off against the system. You two have squared
Speaker 2: off against the federal government and lived to tell about it,
Speaker 2: which is not a very common thing. You are an attorney.
Speaker 2: We cannot let this happen. She held the line for us,
Speaker 2: when the whole the line for her. What can we
Speaker 2: do now? To make sure that she does not see
Speaker 2: one day of jail time. I'm not talking about to
Speaker 2: reduce sentence. This mother of two, who survived a hard
Speaker 2: upcoming upbringing in Boston, Massachusetts, went to Tuskegee, I believe
Speaker 2: is the word. She and Nick met in Alabama.
Speaker 1: She is the daughter and the great granddaughter of law
Speaker 1: enforcement office.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, she comes from law enforcement. We cannot let
Speaker 2: this happen to her. What would have been helpful to
Speaker 2: you when you were going through this? And Angela's an attorney, like,
Speaker 2: what can the people listening do?
Speaker 1: So where we are, I mean, I'll just say what
Speaker 1: would have been helpful, obviously would have been the resources
Speaker 1: to bring a fight that matched the enemy that your opposition. Right.
Speaker 1: I needed the strength both legally but also financially to
Speaker 1: wage that war. There are people sitting incarcerated today, far
Speaker 1: too many who didn't necessarily commit the crimes that they
Speaker 1: were accused of, but they did not have the resources,
Speaker 1: the wherewithal, or the stomach to potentially risk being away
Speaker 1: from their children and their family a day longer than
Speaker 1: was necessary. Right, And so they say, I'll cop to
Speaker 1: this because ninety nine point nine percent of cases that
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice brings either they settle or they
Speaker 1: win in court. I'm part of what is known as
Speaker 1: the three percenters, three percent who fight back and then
Speaker 1: beat they ass and beat they ass because they're liars.
Speaker 1: And I don't I'm not casting all expersions, but you
Speaker 1: do understand how closely hand in glove law enforcement and
Speaker 1: prosecutors officers are. It is prosecuted don't bring cases without
Speaker 1: the support and the wherewithal of law enforcement. Law enforcement
Speaker 1: doesn't work these cases up to then go present it
Speaker 1: to the attorney without the support of the attorney. So
Speaker 1: what I don't know if she's got a fund of
Speaker 1: a setup, a legal defense fund. But it sounds to
Speaker 1: me like there are mini grounds for appeal, but also
Speaker 1: that there are political grounds under which this department should
Speaker 1: not have been and is not within its rights. If
Speaker 1: we were to pay attention to the letter of the
Speaker 1: law under this target prosecution to have been bought charges
Speaker 1: in the first place, they wouldn't sneeze that five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars at a.
Speaker 3: Party jan under Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: And the first thing that I would say is, Merrit Garland,
Speaker 4: what are you going to do to separate yourself from
Speaker 4: a different Department of Justice, the break administration. But I'm
Speaker 4: saying it's time for somebody to ask them. I think
Speaker 4: that Merrick Garland needs to resign.
Speaker 7: He is.
Speaker 3: Really like culpable in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: And this whole targeting of black elected officials that has
Speaker 4: been it doesn't matter who's in office, really, they will
Speaker 4: just target black elected officials. And I think that is
Speaker 4: where we get into the nuance of partisanship and when
Speaker 4: we don't see ourselves reflected in something that we voted for.
Speaker 3: We stood up for you, we protected you.
Speaker 4: You were going to be a Supreme Court justice, firus
Speaker 4: I went on air defending your ass when I did
Speaker 4: not believe in your ability to really protect our interests
Speaker 4: on the Supreme Court. And then this is how you
Speaker 4: repay us.
Speaker 3: But he's not going to resign. So if I want
Speaker 3: him to resign.
Speaker 2: We can. But I'm saying realistically and tangible, I don't
Speaker 2: think what can we do Maryland right now?
Speaker 4: But I'm just just a part of it, because what
Speaker 4: I'm getting at is he is listening to this man
Speaker 4: named Leo Wise.
Speaker 3: Why does this matter?
Speaker 4: Leo Wise was the chief counsel for the Office of
Speaker 4: Congressional ethics. When it was stood up. Nancy Pelosi came
Speaker 4: in saying, we're gonna be tough on ethics. So they
Speaker 4: stood up this whole office that targeted CBC members.
Speaker 3: Congressman Waters was subject to.
Speaker 4: An ethics investigation by this same man. What does Leo
Speaker 4: Wise have to do with Maryland? He went to dj
Speaker 4: He was the one that worked at Maryland's case. This
Speaker 4: is now under Donald Trump and they.
Speaker 3: Still kept this going.
Speaker 2: Now it's under bid it.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. It started under Donald Trump, though.
Speaker 1: In the plot to to was under Barack Obama. So
Speaker 1: let me just say this that these institutions exist.
Speaker 4: So my point is that until someone is held to
Speaker 4: account for how that system is operating, it is going
Speaker 4: to continue.
Speaker 3: Like they need to clean house.
Speaker 4: It shouldn't just be Mery Garland, it should be that
Speaker 4: whole department that there needs to be an Office of
Speaker 4: inspector general report on what is happening in there and
Speaker 4: the targeting of elected officials. How dare you prosecute someone
Speaker 4: for five thousand goddamn dollars when Donald Trump has ninety
Speaker 4: one indictments?
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: And y'all are twiddling your thumbs, trying to figure out
Speaker 4: what to do with him, how to go at him.
Speaker 4: And this is what you're like, the government, Wait a minute,
Speaker 4: the resources that are being spent, the taxpayer dollars that
Speaker 4: are being.
Speaker 3: Spent on this trial.
Speaker 4: This is millions of dollars for five thousand goddamn dollars.
Speaker 2: So the thing is, if I'm Maryland, I'm like, what
Speaker 2: can we do? I know that, But what I'm saying
Speaker 2: is you have to Can we ask the administration for
Speaker 2: a party?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 4: Of course, And we've been saying we started that last week,
Speaker 4: like of course we go to the pardon. But this
Speaker 4: I think Marylyn would not just want us to protect
Speaker 4: just Maryland.
Speaker 3: This office has to be dealt with. They have to
Speaker 3: be held to account. She should.
Speaker 1: I So, first of all, if and I appreciate you
Speaker 1: drawing us back to this, because if you're listening and
Speaker 1: you're wondering, watch what I care about this thing? Why
Speaker 1: does this matter? Why do we have to listen to
Speaker 1: that level of detail? If you, if you are sincere folks,
Speaker 1: and your desire, your need for justice and the way
Speaker 1: it is administered in this country, for Maryland, for me,
Speaker 1: for names that we cannot call this moment. But we
Speaker 1: can tell you without a shadow of the doubt that
Speaker 1: somebody else is being raked over the colds ten times
Speaker 1: over by this same institution that has been built, stood
Speaker 1: up and is largely operating to silence what are political enemies?
Speaker 1: And Marylynd matters.
Speaker 4: It's political enemy advocates for black just.
Speaker 1: Well Angela who But then then ask ourselves who doesn't
Speaker 1: want that that thing happening? So before her, there weren't
Speaker 1: prosecutors who were ever viewed as being separate from law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Prosecutors were not seeing as separate from that grand juries?
Speaker 1: Can you believe that grand juries in this country, which
Speaker 1: is a which we inherited from Great Britain when they
Speaker 1: were colonizing the world, every place they colonized got rid
Speaker 1: of the grand jury process except two places, the United
Speaker 1: States being one of them. And then we decided to
Speaker 1: ensconce it in our constitution in the sixth Amendment, so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. But the grand jury was supposedly
Speaker 1: set up so that citizens could be sure that governments
Speaker 1: did not use its power to go after their own
Speaker 1: individual enemies. It was supposed to be a check on them.
Speaker 1: What are they today? They are a rubber stamp. Can
Speaker 1: we hear this?
Speaker 2: Grand juries used to be filled with black women.
Speaker 1: And they mean nothing today other than a rubber stamp
Speaker 1: on prosecutors. All I'm saying here is this sister matters.
Speaker 1: If you forget her name, if you forget what her
Speaker 1: job title was, let me tell you she is transformative
Speaker 1: to how justice can be perceived to be administered in
Speaker 1: a fair way that goes after every corruptor that goes after.
Speaker 1: Nobody is above the law, not law enforcement, and not
Speaker 1: a president. She exhibited that she's now paying the cost
Speaker 1: of it. I know that there are people who are
Speaker 1: sitting in judgment about where they could have done this,
Speaker 1: and they could have done that. She didn't do anything
Speaker 1: different than people who are going in every day getting mortgages.
Speaker 1: They figure out a way to make it happen, and
Speaker 1: with their own money and resources art and they didn't
Speaker 1: go out there trying to break some law and find
Speaker 1: themselves at the crossairs of the federal government coming after
Speaker 1: them viciously.
Speaker 4: Well, Marylyn now is in a position where she doesn't
Speaker 4: even have a car. Her grandmother is in hospice, she
Speaker 4: has cancer. She's trying to take care of her grandmother
Speaker 4: she still has her two girls. I think the divorce
Speaker 4: is almost final. If it's not final, this is such
Speaker 4: a tragic, catastrophic event. I cannot imagine how she's just
Speaker 4: making it. She's barely holding on. This is something that
Speaker 4: we need to call to attention. I'm just gonna remind
Speaker 4: the listening audience in case y'all don't know. When Kamala
Speaker 4: Harris was being called top cop and being raked over
Speaker 4: the calls for prosecuting black men, Marilyn is someone who
Speaker 4: they called on to defend her as a surrogate. And
Speaker 4: I would this administration owes her a pardon, not because
Speaker 4: she campaigned for them, but because this is bullshit and
Speaker 4: it is so wrong.
Speaker 1: And it's illegal under DOJ guideline. How about this is illegal?
Speaker 1: The practice is illegal. You have selectively targeted a person,
Speaker 1: not because of what they'd done. You sought after, you
Speaker 1: selected records going back as far as twenty fourteen. You
Speaker 1: were after trying to catch her up on something. And y'all,
Speaker 1: there were foundations. There were wealthy people, there were celebrities,
Speaker 1: there were others who lifted Maryland up and held her
Speaker 1: as a she wrote and a heroine in our community.
Speaker 1: Because of what she did well, she is no less
Speaker 1: that person today. That's right, and she's deserving of our
Speaker 1: support and our outcry to this administration to make right
Speaker 1: what they have done wrong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so to this point, May twenty third is
Speaker 4: when she's supposed to be sentenced, they can absolutely tee
Speaker 4: up a partner. And that's what we should ask our
Speaker 4: listening audience and our viewers to do. Tell this administration
Speaker 4: they should be partnering Marilyn Moseby. Marilyn Moseby's the exact
Speaker 4: type of prosecutor this country needs. Everyone who's a progressive
Speaker 4: prosecutor right now is being faced with this type of animus.
Speaker 4: And I think that it's time for DOJ to be
Speaker 4: turned up, seth and last.
Speaker 1: Before we go to a break and then come back
Speaker 1: with our asks of you. I want you to know
Speaker 1: that what this is attempting to send as a signal
Speaker 1: that if you even think about prosecutor, running for prosecutor
Speaker 1: becoming prosecutor in the mold of a Maryland Moseby, you
Speaker 1: better think again. So the shot over the bow is
Speaker 1: not to Maryland. They don't care. That means they clearly
Speaker 1: they want her out of the way. But the shot
Speaker 1: really is to the rest of us to say, don't
Speaker 1: you dare even dream about it? Young man, young woman,
Speaker 1: little boy, stay in your proper place, do the proper thing. Well,
Speaker 1: yoh's and that's it. So just know that the opposite
Speaker 1: of doing nothing and allow this to happen is to
Speaker 1: allow them to win at this fight for achieving world
Speaker 1: justice in this country. We're never going to get there
Speaker 1: if this is what they can do to seekers of justice.
Speaker 4: And Donald Trump got ninety one in diatments right, and
Speaker 4: we tell my five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: I honestly just want to say thank you, Angela, because
Speaker 2: I think it's important to hear this in lay person's
Speaker 2: terms about what exactly happens. So thanks for doing the
Speaker 2: background and the research and making it plain. And thank
Speaker 2: you Andrew for sharing your testimony about what you went
Speaker 2: because I want to make it real and tangible for people.
Speaker 2: Imagine if this were you, you would want people to
Speaker 2: stand in your corner. And you know, for anybody who
Speaker 2: supports Marylyn Maryland, if you're listening, we will not forget you.
Speaker 2: You did not abandon us, You stood for us, and
Speaker 2: we will always stand with you and for you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sus and now we'll pay some bills and
Speaker 1: be right back. Well, Angela, I appreciate you deep diving
Speaker 1: us on that really important conversation, and of course we
Speaker 1: invite you all to follow it up. But unfortunately, listeners,
Speaker 1: we went over our time, So politics everywhere. We're kicking
Speaker 1: that to a mini pod and you won't want to
Speaker 1: miss it. We'll be talking actor Terrence Howard, who is
Speaker 1: ordered to pay one million in back taxes after saying
Speaker 1: I won't tell you right now. You'll have to listen
Speaker 1: up for the rest of that response. So some calls
Speaker 1: to action, I know we actually I feel like we've
Speaker 1: already given the one that I'm a co signed, so
Speaker 1: y'all can give yours. But my call to action is
Speaker 1: going to be really toward this Maryland Moseby piece of folks,
Speaker 1: tweeting about it, pushing it out, doing whatever you got
Speaker 1: to do to spread the word. This woman deserves a pardon,
Speaker 1: not for herself only, but for all of us and
Speaker 1: the way in which she's stood up for real justice,
Speaker 1: real reform. Angela, what you got.
Speaker 3: I definitely agree with that.
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