WEBVTT - The State of Our Union is… 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.160 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:11.200 with Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:16.040 nine of Native Lampod where we break down all that's 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.680 happening in politics with a little bit of culture spread 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:27.280 in there. We're your hosts Tiffany Cross, Angela Rai and 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:31.920 I'm Andrew Gellam celebrating what, ladies, the beginning of Women's 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:37.160 History Month. Welcome home everybody. In fact, this is such 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.840 a special Women's History month for us to be talking 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.080 in person because we've got a pretty awesome history maker 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:46.279 sitting right between us. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:48.040 Three history makers. 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.960 Well but but there's something to be new said y'all. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.160 You may have heard. Let me just say this first 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.360 and parton more. Tiffany ain't going nowhere, She's right here. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:01.120 This is Native Pod Family. Ain't giving that kind of way. 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.640 I don't want nobody rumoring about the wrong stuff. Our 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:07.920 co host, the Tiffany Cross, is about to launch out 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:12.080 on a new endeavor. Film producer and fam you rattler, 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:17.800 I was gonna say, and veteran journalist our friend Tiffany 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.880 Cross are set to launch a cross like what you 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:26.920 did there generations with iHeart Podcast debuting March the twelfth, 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.120 and the reason why this is so important to mention 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.360 during Women's His Room because tell us about it. Tip, 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.280 but you're gonna be talking across generation and ways to 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:42.440 further love on, educate, share knowledge and wisdom experientially across generations. 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:43.400 Tell us about the Yeah. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.520 Well, first of all, thank you to my co hosts 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:47.640 for the shout out and giving me this time to 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.800 talk about it. I am not going anywhere. We've made 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.800 this announcement on Instagram and across all the socials and 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.000 people are like you're leaving natively and by like, no, 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.320 this is my family. So we will continue to talk 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.920 aboutics here every week on across generations. You will not 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.920 hear anything about politics at all. This is where I'm 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.600 talking to It's I'm convening a conversation of black women, 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.560 a woman who's old enough to be my mother, young 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:14.800 enough to be my daughter, and we'll talk about a 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.399 singular topic. So we might talk about sex and how 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.880 our attitudes has changed about sex because somebody in their 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.239 sixties or seventies has a different relationship with sex. Somebody 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.160 in their twenties could be having sex with a few people, 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:32.200 you know, maybe at the same time, it might, it 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.200 might be having it might, but it's new for it's 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.639 changed for them, you know. And even if they've been 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.080 that way their whole life, the way we look at 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.919 it as a society has changed. And so I will 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.720 tell y'all, I'm telling all my business. I am getting 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.720 into my personal life. I'm not just the interviewer, the moderator. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.880 It is a conversation, and so we'll talk about, you know, sex, 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:53.040 but it could be like what do you wish you 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.560 know about money in your twenties? It could be you know, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:58.640 what if you never had kids, you know, with the 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.079 twenty something who doesn't want kids, the seventy year old 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.040 whose whole life was about, you know, being a wife 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.079 and mother. So this is a different table to say 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:10.480 welcome home, y'all too. It is about black women. It's 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.240 not exclusively four black women. Black women, as you all know, 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.520 have always been oracles and people have always pulled up 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.480 a seat to our table to hear what we have 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.480 to say. We've raised people's kids who don't look like us. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:22.880 So I believe there's magic that happens when we come 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:24.799 together to talk about this. So I invite you all 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.160 to join me. Our first guest is Dion Warwick, which 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:32.520 I'm really excited about. We have chef Carla Hall, but 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.880 it's not really celebrity driven, you know, like you all 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.000 know your grandmothers. When you sit at that table and 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.920 gain that wisdom, they are celebrities in our minds. I'd 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.280 love the pictures of you, Angela, with your mom and 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.840 grandmother and just seeing like the commonality and how you 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.800 all look and how beautiful that is, so you can 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.040 fully appreciate what it means when we all come together 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.080 and just the magic that exists. So thank you, guys. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:57.880 So we need y'all to go ahead and follow, Go 0:03:57.920 --> 0:03:59.400 ahead and subscribe already, go. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.240 Ahead, highart family. 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:02.960 This would be with iHeart, and I just want to 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.040 give a special shout out because well everybody on this 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:10.240 podcast knows personally and loves Will Packers. He he does 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.040 not just talk to talk, He walks the walk. He 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.640 is for us black women said at the center of 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.839 his success, and he has always been a writer, a 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.039 member of Alpha Fai, Alpha Attorney Incorporated. I know that 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.200 Alpha will want me to say that, and the Rattles 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.599 would want me to revide though that he's a family 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.919 you guy. So when my my MSNBC show was canceled, 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.320 he was the first person to email me to say, 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.279 Will Packer Productions would love to be in business with 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.760 Tiffany Cross. So shout out to Will. 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:37.760 I love that, I love that, and I love you 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:42.720 lifting up those stories. Because when you are perceived as 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.280 as as as I don't know, not touchable right by 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.560 polite society, Yeah, it matters who reaches in first to 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.360 extend a hand. The other thing that I'm excited about 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.320 about your your upcoming endeavor is oftentimes we see our 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.880 mothers sort of just as the mother in the maternal 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.880 role and what that does in relation to us as 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.920 their child. But our mothers had lives, Yes, they did things. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.960 They were women before, and they still have dreams and 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.599 ambitions and hopes, and so I'm I'm gonna look forward 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.479 to sort of the intergenerational engagement that we get to 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.840 see these women as whole individual people. So y'all make 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.240 sure you download and subscribe. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.520 YouTube and iHeart. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.040 Podcast wherever you get your podcasts. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.080 And y'all see Angela. Angela does not know this. I've 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.240 been volunteering her for everything I'm doing. We're hosting dinners all, 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.240 I'm like, yes, Angela and I there, Yes, Angela Wall 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:39.479 introduced me. There, Angela walks a car. So the first 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:40.640 time that she's gonna be. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.479 She's your sister. She's make sure. 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.040 Y'all download this show and you rate and review her 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.680 show just like you should do for our which. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.960 Is exactly where I'm going in one second, which is 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:56.080 to then say, Angela and Tiff and I had a 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:00.640 conversation after last week's episode where, you know, we got 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:05.159 some feedback from some of our viewers that we want 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.680 to be careful to make sure in answering our viewer 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.960 questions that we don't in any way come off as 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:15.440 overbearing or intimidating or in any way dismissive of of 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.240 the questioners. And I got to tell you, all three 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.320 of us were just sort of set aback, obviously welcoming 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:25.000 of the feedback, but but would hate to believe that 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.440 and would hate to in any way portray a dismissal 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.200 of any of our listeners questions that we want to 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:35.200 create here the kind of culture where you are invited in, 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.400 you are family, and families don't always agree, so let's 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.320 put that out there. But we also want you to 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.360 know that this show can't be this show without you. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:45.360 It's your show. 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.760 It's your show. Yeah, and so we're going to continue 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.160 to try to you know, self evaluate and to make 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.200 sure that we course correct. And if we have given 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.400 any listener out there, and certainly any questioner up to 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.520 this day, the impression that we've sort of shot past 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.000 your question and done our own thing, just charge it 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.600 to our head and not to our heart. We're consuming 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.320 news and information, you know, almost feels like twenty four 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:12.440 to seven, and sometimes it is that we're responding to 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.720 the to the thing the cable person said. But that 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.920 may right, you know, it implicated them, and so your 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.000 question kind of got bought into a larger response. 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:21.200 Right. 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.920 Sometimes even among us, like we disagree, we have a 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.800 nuanced point, and so the three of us can talk 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.640 to each other very passionately because we know there's love there. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.760 We've known each other for decades and that extends to 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.920 the viewer sometimes, and so we we're family and the 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.360 viewers are family, and we so appreciate your feedback, your questions. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.080 Keep sending them. And even if y'all are upset about 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.680 something like this time, like we hear we are family. 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.920 Welcome home, y'all, And just like family has disagreement, so 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:53.080 do we, and we never intend to dismiss your perspective. 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.640 And sometimes you know, y'all, y'all get in our dms 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.679 and on those videos are like maybe mad about something 0:07:58.720 --> 0:07:59.920 we said, and that's what family. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.680 But you know what, that's exactly the point. I love 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:07.840 that people felt so comfortable reaching out dming directly saying, hey, 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.880 I love the show, but this thing hit me this way, 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.760 and keep doing that, because that's also what responsible family 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:16.720 does for each other. We'll get you on the chin, 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.880 and we got to do it in front of everybody, right, 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:22.680 So let me get into what we're going to be 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.600 talking about today. I just wanted to make sure the 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:26.440 hosts and I wanted to make sure that we covered 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:32.079 those things and the words of Whitney Houston. We've got 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.440 something in common, Nikki Haley and Bernie Sanders have something 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:40.280 in common. Super Tuesday arrived and went. Biden will deliver 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.200 his State of the Union address today if you're listening 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.120 on Thursday, the day this episode drops, will go over 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.880 what we want to hear from him. Last week, we 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.960 teased that we were going to be pulling back some 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:56.280 of the layers of the case involving Marilyn Moseby, former 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.840 state prosecutor there in Baltimore, and we're going to do 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:04.200 that today, so you don't want to miss one single 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.920 word of what we've got to say about her particular 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.280 case and our ask for you to get involved, and 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:16.360 of course in politics everywhere, we're gonna be talking about 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:21.320 somebody who has an interesting philosophy on paying taxes. And 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.199 if you want to know which celebrity this is and 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.960 what that rationale is, you stay tuned, and of course 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.400 we'll wrap up this episode with your listener questions, our 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.600 listener questions, and we'll make our charge to each of 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:39.400 you for this week, So stay tuned, all right, y'all? 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.280 So Super Tuesday it came and went, and I'm just 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.480 curious to know were there any surprises? 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:46.240 You know? It's so funny. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:51.640 Yes, in the rundown you said, and Nikki Haley and 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.480 Bernie Sanders had some consts. Don't know, I know, but 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.080 it took me like the full thirty seconds because I 0:09:58.120 --> 0:09:59.000 was like, no, what is it. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.680 I think, Bernie Sander this is running and I'm like, oh, Vermont, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:05.240 see what you did there? 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.760 Do you want to give it away, I teed you up. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.679 All right. So Super Tuesday, of course, whole bunch of 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.200 states went to vote, and Nicki Haley, who has pledged, 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.760 of course, to stay into the race up until Super Tuesday, 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:20.400 and we are now past that point. Uh. She picked 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.000 up one stage, y'all. She picked up a whole state 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:27.439 where she beat the former president. That's a big deal 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.320 as far as I know, to have Republicans in the 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.600 state of Vermont, all of them go out or as 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.160 many of them as could vote. Uh, and they chose 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:39.080 Nicki Haley as their choice for the Republican nomination. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.280 Well, she also won the territory while Washington DC as well. 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.520 That's true. Yeah, unfortunately Washington d C. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:53.440 Does you know, Yeah, listen, I don't think there's any 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.920 major surprise here. I think Nicki Haley has been on 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.680 the stump saying a lot of things about Donald Trump. 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.360 I will not clutch my pearls the day that she 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:06.560 is on stage endorsing Donald Trump. Republicans have a tendency 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.160 to not fall in love, but fall in line. She 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.280 served in his first administration. We haven't seen any new 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.200 evidence of how terrible Donald Trump is. He was just 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.400 as awful in twenty sixteen when she agreed to serve 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.400 in that administration as he is in twenty twenty four. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:26.440 So I'm just I pay her no attention. I pay 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:31.240 the whole right wing that it's not the Republican Party anymore. 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.600 As you've said many times, Andrew, they have all morphed 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:37.199 into the Maga cult. And she is a member. Despite 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.760 her saying he'll have to earn her votes, she is 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.880 a member. But I think we have a sound of 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:44.000 her dropping out of their race. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.439 Yeah, because she won a race and dropped out. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:50.560 Yeah, let's play the sound of Nikki Haley getting out 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.840 of the race for president rather suspending her campaign. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:57.840 The time has now come to suspend my campaign. I 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.760 said I wanted Americans to have their voice heard. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:01.960 I have done that. 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.320 I have no regrets, and although I will no longer 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.559 be a candidate, I will not stop using my voice 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:14.280 for the things I believe in. In all likelihood, Donald 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.640 Trump will be the Republican nominee when our party convention 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.959 meets in July. I congratulate him and wish him well. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.719 I wish anyone well who would be America's president. Our 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.920 country is too precious to let our differences divide us. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:36.119 I have always been a conservative Republican and always supported 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:40.800 the Republican nominee. But on this question, as she did 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:45.160 on so many others, Margaret Thatcher provided some good advice 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:51.000 when she said, quote, never just follow the crowd, always 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:52.439 make up your own mind. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:57.800 Yeah. So, Tiffanangel, I'm really curious to know whether or 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.960 not you think this is gonna be Niki playing more gamesmanship. Yes, 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.120 basically trying to be courted, trying to be offered something, 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.640 maybe the the maybe not. I'm not real sure, but 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:12.160 she certainly didn't. I think with that quote go the 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.960 more principled route around this. It was much more of 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:19.280 a transactional kind of You're gonna need to come talk 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.520 to me, bruh before I give you my support. 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:26.280 Yeah, I got to endorse them. Sorry, I wish no, 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.360 she's gonna endorse the So. I think the other big 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.680 two big shockers about Super Tuesday were the exit pole 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.920 that we saw where Nicki Haley supporters said that they 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.600 would not vote for Donald Trump in the fall. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.520 I think that we talk about all the time. Polls 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.360 is always too too early to tell, too early to call. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.679 I think it's the same thing there, Like, you should 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:51.520 not expect that Nicki Haley is Nicki Haley supporters aren't 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.760 going to follow Nicki Haley once she endorses Donald Trump, 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.240 they will fall in line. I think the other thing 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.640 that was kind of interesting, and it's something that we 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:02.920 never really talk about in primary season is American Samoa, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.319 where Jason Palmer beat Joe Biden. 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:08.000 And thousand votes. 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.880 Totally yeah, not a whole lot of there. 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:13.000 There was a caucus in American Samoa, and I have 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:14.959 never heard of Jason Palmer in my life, So I 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:16.160 wish I could give you all. 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:17.120 That political breakdown. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.880 But shouts out to you, Jason is going to be 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.400 able to say, for the rest of his life, I 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.400 be Joe Biden city president for the nomination. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.560 He happy to you. Didn't pit five hundred thousand dollars 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.400 of his own money into that race. That's all I 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.440 know about him too. Shout out to you, Jason, that's right, job, 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:32.800 you did something. You made history. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.040 Well, there were some other shockers if we were not 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.280 particularly surprised by Joe Biden and Donald Trump pretty much 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.840 essentially wrapping up the nomination fight for both the Democrats 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.600 and the Republicans. And for those of you all who 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.320 are out there advocating for a third party, I feel you, 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.080 I hear you. I always keep going back to this 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.560 Ross Perot, who had more money than God, got out there, 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.760 put it all in there, and it didn't even make 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.520 a dent except to help help one party or another 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.200 to ultimately win. So I'm not saying there's no hope. 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.520 I'm just simply saying we got to be realistic in 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.880 our approach and much more strategic about the launcher of 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.720 a third party if we were to go that direction. 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:14.320 But I will tell you North Carolina, and before I 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.440 even just zero in on North Carolina, the South period 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:22.920 overwhelmingly rewarded Donald Trump. I mean the numbers there, Nickie 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.640 Haley couldn't even break respectable in many of these Southern states. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.440 And the upcoming few races, many of them are going 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.760 to be focused on the South. I don't know if 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:33.920 they're trying to communicate something to us y'all that we 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.240 don't already know, but they certainly doubled down on Donald Trump. 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.080 But there was this particular race in North Carolina of 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:44.440 the lieutenant governor who was elevated from lieutenant governor to 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:48.040 the Republican nominee for governor of the great state of 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:52.160 North Carolina. Y'all, I'd love for you to hear what 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.240 Donald Trump has to say about him, and then I'd 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.240 love for us to hear what he has to say 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:57.040 about us. 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:03.760 This is Martin Luther King on steroids. Okay, Now, I 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.560 told that. I told that. I told that to Mark. 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.560 I said, I think you're better than Martin Luther King. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.880 I think you are Martin Luther King times two. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:16.080 Y'all. 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:17.920 You don't need to talk about it. 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.000 Yeah, but I want to hear from Mark Robinson because 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.800 I expect asinine, silly comments like that from Donald Trump. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.800 I want to hear from the black man that he 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:27.280 happens to be. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.840 So then let's put it. Let's just bookmark this for everybody. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.880 Donald Trump thinks that this dude, Mark Robinson is the 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:39.000 second coming of Martin Luther King, except two times his value. Now, Mark, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.320 what do y'all have? What are you saying to us 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.560 as you try to compete for this gubernatorial slot there 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:46.160 in North Carolina? 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.000 There are some people that were talking about reparations in 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.400 this country. They wanted reparations, and I remember I made 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.920 this particular liberal so angry at me because I told 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:01.320 him right to their face, nobody owes you anything for slavery. 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.159 If you want to tell the truth about it, it 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:06.640 is you who owes. 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.000 It's you who owes. 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.720 Why do you owe because somebody in those fields took 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:18.080 stripes for you, somebody after those fields were ended and 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.640 slavery was ended, somebody had to walk through Jim. 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:22.600 Crow for you. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.520 And he trying to send us back to Jim Crow. 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:26.400 I guess, huh. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.200 I mean. The brother went on to say, basically, don't 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.920 nobody owe you nothing. You you know, we've had our rights, 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.240 we got our freedom. Now go do great things. Go 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:37.800 do great things. 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:39.719 I think it's important just to let the viewers know 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.400 a little bit about Mark Robinson. So he's fifty five 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.960 years old. He fancies himself as a conservative. His rise 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.399 to fame was really these very inflammatory things that he 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.080 would say on social media. So when we say we've 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.200 elected the Ugly Comments section to the highest office of 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.480 the land with Donald Trump, this is his offspring. He 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.480 and his wife have been together for quite some time. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.199 She had an abortion before they were married, which he 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.359 has come out and said he deeply regrets, which has 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:10.200 made him a staunch anti choice advocate. He is very 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:15.240 anti LGBTQ. That is a big part of his platform. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.960 He says the hateful things out loud. This is not 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.240 somebody who has any interest in appealing to black voters. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.040 He has an interest in appealing to white voters who 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:27.679 can feel good about themselves for voting for someone like 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.600 this and be able to simultaneously say they're not racist. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.800 Because if this black man is saying these racist things, 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.920 and how bad can I be. I think this is 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:40.080 a cartoonish caricature of what Donald Trump would like to 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.560 put out there before the people. To say something so 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.359 disparaging about doctor King. That's not something that's seeing thinking, 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.040 thoughtful people here and take seriously. It's meant to be 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.919 a clippable SoundBite. The danger is that he won the 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.399 primary and that he will be the head of a 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:01.879 state within the United States with real executive power and 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.639 can enact policy. And as we see increasingly the battle 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:09.480 between state government and federal government, that is something for 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:11.960 us all to be deeply concerned about. I just want 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:15.480 to add, you talked about the Southern States. I am 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.919 you know. It was raised in the South, and we 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.399 always assume that Southern states are read. The South is 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.680 only read until it ain't. And we have to remember 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.760 that there are pockets throughout the South with very progressive 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.800 leadership and views. We've talked about, including North Carolina, and 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:30.960 including North Carolina. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.600 It's a primary right now, he doesn't have to win. 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.919 Charlotte is a progressive area in Mississippi, Jackson is a 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.199 progressive area in Alabama, Birmingham, and there are all other pockets. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.560 When we think to think about rural America, we think 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.159 of the South, even though the rural American be everywhere 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.879 but rule in the South. They're not just white conservative 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.840 voters in rural America. There are black people, brown people 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.800 who live in rural Southern areas who have the ability 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:58.159 to change what the political South looks like. And I 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:00.639 think instead of assuming these things happen, we need to 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:05.560 empower those people. And if this buffoon is somebody who 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:10.800 can scare people into organizing and activating that Southern Bible 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:15.919 Belt hemisphere into being more politically impassioned despite systems in 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.280 place that prevent them from getting to the ballot box, 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.280 I'd love to see us put our resources there. 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.760 But you said it, I think it matters that this 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:27.520 guy now is the touchelor head of Republicans in North Carolina. 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.919 He won out against a more status quote traditional Republican model, 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:36.120 and so it does beg the question, Angela, what are 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:39.399 Republicans seeing? What are they feeling when they decide to 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:44.160 go in and elect then erect to higher office, higher position, 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.320 higher authority, the voice of Republicans in that state being 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.560 anti Semitic, anti LGBT in many ways, in my opinion, 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:57.400 listening to them anti blacks their figurehead as their voice, 0:20:57.600 --> 0:20:59.639 especially when you consider the fact that North Carolina is 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.479 a state than in presidential politics has come practically up 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.600 to the line of of of of giving their electoral 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:07.560 votes to Democrats. 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:08.320 Didn't didn't. 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.439 I feel Barack won it once the first time, and 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.680 then we lost the second time. 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.560 So I just want to say this is offer this 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.000 caveat to your mother and your mother in law that 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.960 he did not throw this Republican question to me because 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:23.960 I'm a Republican. 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:24.920 I did not. 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:31.240 Y'all, Well, we just got to clarify because some folks either. 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.639 But I think you know what's more troubling to me 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:36.919 than the fact that they go up to the line 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.439 or sometimes cross the line or don't cross the line 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:41.879 and vote blue. 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.240 Is that there are. 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:50.520 Republican folks who are black folks in this day and 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:58.800 age who will exchange kind of like exchange these crazy 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:02.760 remarks to make news, to create space for themselves on 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:05.480 the side of an aisle where the line is much shorter. 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:09.480 I'll never forget Gary Flowers talking about how people sometimes 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:13.520 will go and take the shorter line because they can 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:17.359 see their rise to power quicker. That is not new Historically. 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.720 Those are the same folks who negotiated with the Dutch 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:24.520 and the Portuguese and the British to sell us into slavery. 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:29.439 And I'm not saying that there are not oppressive mindsets, mentalities, 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:33.040 and even policies on the democratic, liberal and progressive sides 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:37.040 of the aisle. What I am saying is that if 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:40.919 you're telling me that the folks who were actually paid 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:45.520 when slavery ended, which was the slave owners, deserve even 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.480 more and that their offspring deserve even more, and that 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.680 we should be the people who are paying that, I 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.439 don't have nothing to say to you. You're like, not 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:58.840 only are you engaging in very dangerous rhetoric, you are 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:02.080 the reason in your ancestors are the reason we're here. 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.399 Well, I'll just say this, if you are educated in 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:06.600 the state of Florida right now into its current policies, 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:10.160 you might actually believe that's the overwhelming majority. 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:11.920 Under the Santus curriculum. 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:16.359 Of slaves of enslaved people were paid. This is this 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.040 is what lawmakers and our state are saying. 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.720 We don't know what that I don't but. 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:31.240 Doesn't matter what he believes. This platform is the proliferation 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.400 of this kind of stuff, and it's dangerous and it's 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:35.760 really why we wanted to spend just a couple of moments, 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.240 not just on the presidential but y'all, we've got to 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:41.160 look closely at who we are electing in our states. 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.160 Will you get elected when you sit at home? 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:46.720 You know? That's that's the thing. 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.520 It's like, if you don't show up, you are saying 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.920 to these folks, your vote matters more than mine, your 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:55.520 voice matters more than mine. The things that you at, 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:57.840 the policies that you push an advocate. 0:23:57.400 --> 0:23:58.720 For, matter more than me. 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:01.960 And then you sit around and say, now, why won't 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:04.119 this change this? Why don't full of politics? It is 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:07.160 this dangerous cycle we can never get out of. If 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:09.640 you say, well, I don't see myself represented, they're pharmacy 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:11.600 at home, Well you don't see yourself represented. 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:13.479 Therefore, now what? 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:16.399 But I just want to say that is true. I 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.920 wholeheartedly agree with everything, but I also want to acknowledge 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.440 the humanity of people who do stay at home, because 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:26.040 I understand when you are under an oppressive system where 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:28.439 you can barely pay your rent or mortgage, where you 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:31.200 don't know how to feed your family, and for five 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:34.000 election cycles, somebody has been telling you it will change. 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.919 Somebody's gonna come through and save you. Something is going 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.600 to happen where the economy will get better for you. Specifically, 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:41.879 these dilapidated schools are going to start to serve your 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.760 children and you don't see it. I'm not admonishing you. 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:48.639 I understand that perspective. And we have to start looking 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.240 at black people as black people, not as black voters. 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:53.960 You're not a commodity in this system. So I would 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:56.520 invite people to feel that way, or if you have 0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.919 somebody in your family who feels that way, something to 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:03.760 share with them is you don't have to believe in 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.080 the system. Believe in yourself. And what does this here 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:09.879 democracy look like if you are the architect of it, 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.160 and I think that speaks to your point Andrew about 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:15.760 us being lacking in imagination. Sometimes it's they have captured 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.800 our imagination and said, this is the only construct you 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.440 can live in. What if we empowered ourselves? 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:21.760 Right? 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:23.840 I just want to say, she come a long way 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:24.720 since this morning. 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:25.359 I love it. 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:28.919 No, I still feel the same this morning. I well, 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.000 just for our listeners because they know we're talking about that. 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:34.880 We have talked about Angela and I disagree on black 0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.920 people who support Trump. And I'm not saying we shouldn't 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:41.200 talk to those people, but I think what I care 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:43.560 about it would it would never occur to me to say, Angela, 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:45.679 this is what you should care about. You know, like 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.840 you're saying, no, we have to care about them. Angela 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.480 cares about this is why the comments honestly frustrate me 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.359 so much sometimes because Angela I disagree on this, and 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:57.080 so when I hear people saying or read people saying 0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:59.960 things about Angela's position, I'm like, if y'all only knew 0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:04.240 Angela actually gives a shit about your humanity. She is 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:07.639 saying I care about you enough. I want to engage you. 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:09.280 I want to talk to you. I want to bring 0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:11.640 you along and show you why Trump is a problem. 0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:15.320 My position is I don't some people don't have to 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:17.960 get left behind. I'm not trying to convince the slave 0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:20.359 you still a slave. If that's what you believe, then 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.800 you got to stay there. My audience is somewhere else. 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:26.600 Angela and I and Andrew we were and we were saying, 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:28.440 this should be the podcast. We have a camera here 0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:30.960 because Angela will say no, But you have to care 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.320 about those people like you have to. When I'm saying, 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:36.040 that is not who I'm talking to. Those aren't people 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:36.439 trying to. 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:41.280 Focus. 0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:43.640 But but you speak to every man in a different way, 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:46.440 Like Angela is like, impassioned about it, and I'm like, yeah, 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:48.680 if they get something, great, I hope so. But that's 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:50.679 just not who I'm speaking to. But I think this 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:52.680 is such an interesting discussion because there are so many 0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:54.879 out people out there who feel how I feel, or 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.280 feel how you feel, and I just I think the 0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:00.000 nuanced discussion. This is why Caple News drives me nuts, 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:03.320 because this is a more intellectual, nuanced discussion than putting 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.800 Angela on with somebody who is like this guy Mark. 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:09.200 Round that I agree with Yeah, but I do think 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.360 you know, to the point of this conversation, it felt 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:15.320 what you just said felt very human. It felt like 0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:17.679 I don't I'm maybe I'm not gonna speak to the 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.040 person who's saying if it I'm voting for Trump, they 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.360 probably really aren't. Some of them are really gonna stay 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:24.000 at home. And you talk to the folks who would 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:27.359 stay at home, And but what I'm saying is the 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.080 person who's saying they're voting for Trump because they saw 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.560 something different or they heard that talked about enough, or 0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:35.240 is that same person it's the same person who says 0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:37.040 they stay at home because they're What they're saying is 0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:40.439 I just haven't seen where this party's delivered for me, 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:42.520 so I'm gonna I gotta try something different, even if 0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.359 that means try something different. Is voting for this nut 0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:48.959 or staying at home? To me, it's it's no different 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:50.919 because they're both a vote to. 0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:53.560 In democracy. 0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.919 I see the different. I see a big difference between 0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:59.000 those two factions of people. And you said this. I 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:01.280 think you were saying Charlot said this, but I heard 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.000 it from from you when you said it's not always 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:07.359 a battle between Trump and Biden. It's a battle between 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:09.919 Biden and the couch. To me, I can talk to 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.520 the person who feels distant. Well, thank you Charlemagne for 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.200 for that, because I think that is a legitimate thing 0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:18.040 to point out. That is my concern. That person. I 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:20.879 can talk to somebody like this guy or follower of 0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:24.080 his who feels like, yes, they're speaking to me. I 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.679 can take all of my frustrations and go to the 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:30.480 oppressor side and adopt them because they will save me. 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:32.560 They might not save the greater good, but they will 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.439 be so grateful for my black ass walking across the 0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:37.720 aisle to them that they will bestow upon me some 0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.360 sort of favor. Those people, I don't. I don't care 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:40.960 if I could. 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.880 Talk to this lieutenant governor either those people you're talking to, 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:44.800 I don't. 0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:46.920 I think I think there's a different I think that 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:51.200 there's someone who says, you know what, I remember feeling 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:54.520 relief under Trump doesn't mean they didn't get relief under Biden, 0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:56.920 but Biden didn't tell them about Okay, that's fair, right. 0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:01.000 I think that there's somebody in there who's saying, I'm 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:04.560 seeing jobs wane in my community, and everybody's you know, 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.640 so frustrated about it, and Donald Trump said he was 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:08.440 gonna close the borders. 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:10.160 I'm not supporting his position. I'm just saying what their 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.520 frustration is. I want. 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:14.920 I want a president who's going to make sure that 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:16.560 it's America first. 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:18.600 Not knowing only Google America. 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.400 But you know what I'm saying, Like I can understand 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.680 that I don't hear the people who I'm like, oh, 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.360 it's not the it's not the And I'm trying not 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:31.440 to use terms that are mean or or or put downs, 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:34.240 as Miss Irene Lindsay, my second grade teacher would say, 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:36.120 but like I don't want to call them a coon. 0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:37.360 Or mental show, even though something. 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.640 Even though sometimes I feel that way, but some of 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:45.520 the people who are raising this are not them. They're 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:49.240 talking about economic relief, they're talking about the migrant crisis. 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:52.800 They're talking about Maybe some of them might be pro. 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.640 Life, I don't know, but like anti choice, I. 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.720 Agree with that too, But I'm saying they might see 0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:01.200 I'm church, I'm Jesus all day, So you can't have 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:03.440 an abortion, even if I gave myself grace for having 0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:06.160 one three years ago. I'm saying there's some there's some 0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:08.920 in between there's some nuance there, and I don't want 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.239 to throw everyone out at the same time. 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:12.160 Everybody a mind. 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.200 I both have had a really I think it was 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:19.880 very important conversation, were we not. You were in it 0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:21.640 this morning as well. I'm not sure how this is. 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.880 I mean, my position on this is very I think 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:26.959 black people are pragmatic voters at the end of the day, 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.800 at the beginning to day period what's up. And I 0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:33.680 said it before on this podcast that we cannot deconstruct 0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:37.400 four hundred years of institute more than that, by the way, 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.800 but certainly the enslavement of our people. But we can't 0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:45.680 replace all of the systems and structures that have been 0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:50.160 designed to hold up to lift up white supremacy in 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:55.360 this country with one administration, even a two or three 0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:58.479 or four. We can obviously make strides toward it. And 0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:01.280 to that end, y'all, I think it takes us Angela. 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:05.600 You made the comment that we're hearing the soundbites that 0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:09.200 Donald Trump speaks being paraded back by some of these 0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.239 very people that we're talking about. Because he says it, 0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.960 he takes responding, he takes credit for and that takes 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.440 us to this next conversation after the break, which is 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:20.160 going to be about what we want to hear from 0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:23.160 vice from the President of the United States, Joe Biden 0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:25.480 as he comes to the nation and what I think 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.680 is one of the most important platforms that he gets 0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:31.280 where he gets to update the country on the true 0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:41.000 state of the nation. So, like we said, the State 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.760 of the Union is the opportunity for the president to 0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:46.320 just lay it out, what have you done, and what 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.640 do you want to do and why should we basically 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:53.560 bring you back? But it is also an opportunity if 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.280 you slick and sly and clever enough to get some 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.680 jabs in there if you need to end it was really, 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:05.240 in my opinion, y'all, nobody better than this. Let's hear 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:08.200 this clip and see if it moves you in any way, everybody, 0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:17.440 I have no more campaigns to run. My only agenda I. 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:26.200 Know, because I won both of them. 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:31.240 Shade listen. So that was Notorious Obama, not to be 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:35.080 confused with Notorious Big And for those of you who 0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:38.440 are listening as podcasts I guess are designed for that purpose, 0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.040 you may not have caught that all. But basically that 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:43.120 was Barack Obama saying it the state of the Union. 0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.280 Look I've got no more racist to run, And of 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.760 course the sly asked Republicans respond with cheers and applause 0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.760 and of oblation that he can't run again, and of 0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:55.600 course the president, his clever slyway, responds, I know this 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:59.120 because I won both my elections, which was again I thought, 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.640 a cute you know who drop of the mic moment. 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.080 But but I do think there is something about both 0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:10.280 in the substance. I won't put it past Joe that. 0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:14.040 It might not be like this, but maybe he'll do 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:15.480 his own way, you know. 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.360 I think, because we all traffic in this, this is 0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:20.480 what we do, that we are watching the State of 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.040 the Union. I would be curious to see the ratings 0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:24.560 for the past couple of States of the Unions. That 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:26.760 I've been better prepared, I would have seen that most 0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:31.240 Americans are not sitting around their television's watching this. There 0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:35.160 are thousands of things screaming for our attention all the time. 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:37.520 Angelo's is gonna look up those numbers. I'm sure there 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.360 are thousands of things screaming for our attention all the time. 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.040 And so really, people will hear about it in those 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:46.640 clippable moments. They'll hear about it and you know social 0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:49.960 media clips, they're just not as engaged. So that's the 0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:54.640 first challenge I think for President Biden to speaking in soundbites. 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.520 He is not President Barack Obama. And because we live 0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:02.960 in such a social media society, we people look for 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.400 that great orgs or people want to feel goosebumps, like 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.640 it's a Baptist minister, and I think it's hard for 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.160 people to understand you get a president like that maybe 0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:12.480 once in a lifetime. We had you know, John F. 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:15.840 Kennedy was amazing in that way. Ronald Reagan a Republican, 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:18.560 but he was the great communicator. He was an actor literally, 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:21.200 and so people connect it with him. And you know, 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:24.440 we had President Barack Obama. Bill Clinton had some of that. 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:28.560 But there was something magical about Barack Obama. I am 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:30.560 not saying this because you're my co host and you're 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:34.080 sitting here. There was something magical about you that would 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:38.200 inspire people to like leave, you know, college for a semester. 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:42.839 You had that that unspoken thing that you can tell 0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:44.960 when somebody's reaching for it, they're aiming for it, they're 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.640 trying to perform. Andrew you had it naturally on that 0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.440 campaign trail in this podcast. When we have discussions sometimes 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:52.080 even when we're not, when we're just in our you know, 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:55.920 private discussions, you still have that magical thing. I don't 0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.759 believe President Biden has that. And so the challenge for 0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:05.359 him for America on Thursday is to convince people that 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:07.319 I'm still with you and I understand you in a 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:10.239 clippable way. And right now. The one thing that he 0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:13.680 can can focus on that speaks to everybody, regardless of 0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:15.880 what side of the al you're on, is the economy. 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.400 And I think he has to strike that balance between 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:22.840 focusing on macroeconomics and microeconomics because people will say, well, 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.759 income equality is shrinking. Well, try selling that to people 0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:28.520 in the hood who don't feel that, who've seen no 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.439 such evidence. People will say, oh, the economy is great 0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:33.799 for me, because they're referencing the stock market, which is 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.400 not the economy. Try selling that, you know, Wall Street 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.319 talk on Main Street. It doesn't go so to me. 0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:42.440 That is his one unifying message that can resonate with 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:44.319 a lot of folks, especially the people who you talk 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:46.839 about who you know, think, oh, well, Donald Trump signed 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:48.919 my stimulus checks, and so if he gets reelected, I'll 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.080 be getting these kind of checks again and it's just 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.600 it's just not true. So I'd be curious to see. 0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:55.960 Can I just say, reallyquick, the Angela found Joe Biden's 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.760 twenty twenty three State of the Union address was watched 0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.720 by twenty seven point three million viewers. 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:04.000 That's the largest concentration. 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:08.760 That's about eleven million viewers lower than the previous year's figure, 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.239 and I think we'll continue to see that number, that 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:12.960 figure shrinking. 0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:14.680 I think that's true. But I will tell you, for 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:18.719 a president to make a statement, an hour long statement, 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:23.200 and have twenty seven million Americans watching is probably the 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.560 broadest audience a president is going to get over the 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:26.960 course of their administration. 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:32.200 Clinton gathered the largest audience with nearly seventy million viewers. Yes, well, 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:39.120 like just by comparison, look, I. 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.600 Think about Norman Lear, who was a mentor of mine, 0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:45.160 and I think that every week he reached into one 0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:48.799 hundred million households with his shows. I mean so, but 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:50.440 TV there's a lot. 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:54.400 I like Obama had fifty two point four million. 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.840 For a lot of reasons, right to go ahead, But 0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:59.640 I was just Tiffany's comments hit on both style and 0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:02.120 I think substance of it. And I just want to 0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:05.160 just for a moment say, in addition to the things 0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:06.879 that I want to hear from this president, I hope 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:09.640 that he takes it slow. I hope he acknowledged. I 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:12.080 hope he knows as he stands in the well of 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:16.000 the US Congress before Democrats and Republicans, that he is 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.480 the president of the United States of America. Yes, he's 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:21.200 in the run, he's in the campaign, but right now 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.520 the man is doing the job. And I think if 0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.840 he embodies that, I think he can become a different 0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:32.160 kind of communicator who comes off more declarative, more decisive. 0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.839 Don't rush us through your remarks, mister President, because they 0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:37.799 are important, and we want to hear what you have 0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:39.719 to say, largely because there are a lot of people 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.440 who are hanging out there trying to see if you've 0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:45.239 got what they need to then turn out and then 0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:48.520 support you again for this office. And so if i'm him, 0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:52.799 I want to hear a moral statement about Israel and 0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:59.760 about the West Bank and Palestinians. I want to moral, 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:04.600 declarative argument. Your policy has been falling flat for most 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:06.839 people because they don't see nothing y'all who acting by it. 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:11.120 But this generation of young voters. They see right and wrong, 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.240 and if you can't make the case and make it clearly, 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:15.319 you're going to have a problem. But I think we've 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:17.480 got to be reminded as a country why we are 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.840 involved in places all around the world when people are saying, well, 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:22.879 why aren't you involved like that right here at home? 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:26.239 Make us understand why it is it matters for us 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:28.120 to be on the front lines where we are. And 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:31.200 then the other thing I really need to hear from 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:35.200 I think from this president during these remarks is I 0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:38.759 hope he cast a vision for where he wants to 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:42.400 take us Nobody. Unfortunately, the economic numbers are not falling 0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:45.439 the way they want to hear them. So then tell 0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:50.440 me about if I'm the everyday, average working American. Walk 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:53.480 me through that picture, Paint that picture, Grab me by 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:55.080 the hand, and walk me down the street so I 0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:57.239 can look to the left at that new house, and 0:38:57.280 --> 0:38:59.560 to the right at that new business, and down the 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:02.799 road to a changing landscape in my neighborhood. Walk me 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:06.640 down that road so I can I can emotionally connect 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:10.120 with you around the public policy you want to pursue. 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.360 Except that policy is coming right up my block, and 0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:15.720 I think they've failed in so many ways to put 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:19.120 the people at the center of their outreach at the 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.839 White House through this administration. And again, I think it's 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.399 because the President is saying, I'm doing the hard work 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:28.000 every single day. Why can't they see it? And unfortunately 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:29.840 we can't see it if you don't say. 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:33.040 It every community validators. 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:36.560 I want to get into this because this comes up 0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:42.400 a lot, and that is what is the Biden administration's 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:46.879 agenda for black people. Every year during Black History Month, 0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:51.160 they release another update on their accomplishments for the Black community. 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:57.319 I think sometimes those accomplishments feel not like they're on 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.160 the nose. And I mean what I mean by that is, 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:05.319 for example, they'll say the number of black businesses that 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.560 were that were started, the number the entrepreneurship in the 0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:12.960 black community significantly increased under the Biden administration. Well, unless 0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.640 y'all walked up to our door with legal zoom, right, like, 0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.839 you can't really take credit for that. You can say 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:22.400 that you've you know, lessened regulations and made it easier 0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:26.040 to make it happen, or even most recently, they've announced 0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:28.600 that they're gonna restrict. 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:30.200 Credit card late fees to eight dollars. 0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:34.360 Right, those kinds of things are indirectly helpful to black people, 0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:37.800 but that's not just for black people. So what happens 0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:42.920 is they end up attributing black accomplishment to successes that 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:44.480 benefit the whole of the country. 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:48.840 And I appreciate that. I remember when Barack Obama. 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:50.399 Would say, you know, I'm not the president for Black 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:52.600 America and president of the United States of America. I 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:56.440 understand this strategy, but I still think when someone a 0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:59.680 group of people resurrect your campaign from the dead, you 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:00.920 owe them some things. 0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:02.000 You owe them several things. 0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:04.160 And I do think it is smart for black people 0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:08.840 to want to see progress from this administration. They also 0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:12.160 we also can't forget how civix works. We also can't 0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:15.120 forget that the legislative branch has something to do. One 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:17.799 of my favorite moments in a Barack Obama State of 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.399 the dress, a State of the Union address was him 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.839 saying like he was ready with the pap with the pen. 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:25.799 You bring the paper to his desk. He was ready 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:28.160 with the pen, and it was I just remixed that 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.160 like I do Bible verses. But you understand the point. 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:33.839 If they bring him a bill he can sign he's 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:36.640 going to sign it into law. And so the things, 0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:39.320 the very things that black folks need the most, require 0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:44.200 legislative action. It does not preclude him from acting lator, 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:48.560 acting in executive powers, signing executive actions, signing. 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.440 Executive orders to ensure our overall protection. 0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:53.799 He can absolutely hit on some of these things in 0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:56.680 the State of the Union address, and I'm sure he will. 0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:58.440 One of the things he likes to go to a 0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:02.400 lot is how many black judges, black women judges in particular, 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.720 he's appointed. I think that's fantastic. We need a little 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.080 bit more than that. People are still crying out for relief. 0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:11.520 You made a great point around the economy. Oh my god, 0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:14.560 people are not filling that impact with inflation up like, 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:17.520 they're not feeling that impact. So we have to make 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:20.840 sure that people feel it, and that might mean person 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.799 by person. I think we talked about this on a 0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:27.600 podcast recently too, around the diabetes piece. If it doesn't 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.640 impact us directly, don't hit us with no indirect stuff. 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:32.319 That's not gonna work right now. It needs to be 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:34.480 on the nose accomplishments for black folks. 0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:35.080 That's real. 0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:40.040 Well, there's also the issue, you know Isela, You've made 0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:43.680 this point. It is our right to make demands of 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:47.319 this party, and I just don't see that with other 0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:51.440 constituency groups, Like you wouldn't feel the need to say, well, 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:54.520 I'm not the president for all people who want gun 0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:56.759 control or for just people wh want gun control. I'm 0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:59.040 the president for everybody. Like we don't need to make 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:03.279 those distinctions. You know, it is a constant in politics 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.799 where it's a whisper to black folks, you know, like, hey, 0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:09.440 after I get elected, i'ma look y'all up. But everybody 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.320 else on the stump, you are loud and proud about 0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:14.600 what you're going to do for them. And I think 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.839 it impacts how we look at it, Like people get 0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:20.200 very uncomfortable at some of the things we say here, 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:22.319 some of the things that we said on air, and 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:25.120 it's not it's not out of like we don't have 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.640 the right. It's really out of fear. Don't make the 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:30.400 white folks too uncomfortable, or we won't be able to 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:33.000 have this. And we have to stop that way of thinking. 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:35.880 We are looking at a future, a near future that 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.400 we can all see, envision and touch. By twenty forty, 0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:41.480 there will be no racial majority in this country. And 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.360 so the power structure will still mostly rest with a 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:48.600 lot of white Americans. As we're disrupting that power, it's 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:50.839 going to be uncomfortable for some people. So I would 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:54.000 invite our community and every community who has some curiosity 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:58.240 about your fellow countrymen, get comfortable with being uncomfortable, because 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:02.160 the power structure is changing. Power seeds nothing without demand. 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:03.560 It's up to us to make that demand. 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:05.840 You're right about it. And I just want to say 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:10.120 that there are black people in positions of power all 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:15.120 around this country, from mayor's school boards, councils, state legislatures, 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:23.239 governor a governor, and aspirants alike. And don't get confused 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:28.120 when you start seeing some of us react in ways 0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:33.799 that start to reflect some of the patriarchy that we 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:37.560 see exhibited by frankly by and enlarged by white men 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:41.640 in greater society, and white women as well. And black 0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:45.040 folks have been less comfortable with being in positions of 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:49.000 power because in so many ways it's still new. But 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:53.800 the statement that power seeds nothing doesn't say just white 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:58.080 power seeds nothing. It says power seeds nothing. And so 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:01.440 I think about this one I hear the immigration debate, 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.520 I think about this when I hear some of the 0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:07.120 critiques that we make of other professional blacks. You know, 0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:10.000 we got to be above bar and better than everybody 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:11.200 to do just this, that and a third. And then 0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.799 this judgmental things come comes down and you start to 0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:17.319 act in ways that resemble the people who are pressed you. 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:20.520 And I want to call it to our consciousness, because 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:22.719 I know we've got, you know, a blessed audience of 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:26.120 people who are experiencing probably various levels of success in 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.759 their own lives. To just be cognizant that when we 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:32.720 start to look out here and start to react in ways, 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:36.440 especially around the changing demographic in this country, and ways 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:39.920 that start to resemble the way in which the oppressed 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:44.360 have acted toward us all of this time, to just 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:48.440 check yourself and understand that you're hopefully that your commitment, 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:52.799 that your reason for doing and for being is far 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:56.680 outside of having to step on somebody else's neck back, 0:45:57.000 --> 0:46:00.960 kill them, destroy them, set them up for failure as 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:03.000 the only way in which you were able to survive. 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:06.720 That isn't the truth, That has never been our truth. 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:10.960 And so I just hope that folks recommit themselves to 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:15.040 a deeper understanding of what it means when you get 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:17.719 in the position and the seat of control. How do 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:21.920 you conduct yourself? Do you start saying every brown person 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.200 who's on a work site is there illegally because you 0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:28.600 don't see any people who are black anymore? Just check it. 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:29.880 Yeah. 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:31.759 I actually want to get into a story that we 0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:34.120 teased last week about Marilyn Moseby. So let's go to 0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:35.799 a quick break and then I want to pick that up. 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:45.799 On the other side. You brought up a really good 0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:48.800 point about what will you do when you're in power 0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:51.640 and somebody who was in power and held the line 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:53.640 for black folks is now in the line of fire. 0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:55.520 And I've talked about this a little bit last week, 0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:58.480 and I want to talk about it this week. Marilyn Moseby, 0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:02.479 she is the former her District Attorney for the City 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.680 of Baltimore. And for our younger viewers or people who 0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:09.080 may have forgotten, I just want to remind you all 0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:12.520 how we came to know Marilyn Moseby. This was the 0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:15.400 Freddie Gray case in the City of Baltimore. You all 0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:20.439 remember Freddy Gray was arrested and taken for a death 0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:26.880 ride essentially, yes, absolutely, and he later died from injuries 0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:30.880 sustained there, and Marilyn Moseby charged those officers. And I 0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:33.480 just want to remind our viewers of what that moment 0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:37.920 meant to us when she stood on the steps of Baltimore. 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.239 So let's listen to her and then we'll talk about 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:41.200 it on the other side. 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:47.280 The findings of our comprehensive, thorough an independent investigation, coupled 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:51.440 with the medical examiner's determination that mister Grey's death was 0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:55.120 a homicide, which we received today, has led us to 0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:58.200 believe that we have probable cause to file criminal target 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:04.600 to the youth of this city, I will see justice 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:08.800 on your behalf. This is a moment, this is your moment. 0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.759 Let's ensure that we have peaceful and productive rallies that 0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:18.960 will develop structural and systemic changes for generations to come. 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:23.640 You're at the forefront of this cause, and as young people, 0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:29.040 our time is now. 0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:33.960 So I thought it was so important to play that 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:36.799 because it was such a moment, and I want to 0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:40.680 remind people that the role of a DA because Vice 0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:43.719 President Kamala Harris also was, you know, essentially attacked on 0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:46.479 the campaign trail because people feel like you're a cop. 0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:49.359 You put people away. Let me explain something. The role 0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:53.080 of a DA is to decide who to charge, what 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:57.360 charges to bring. That is important because they also decide 0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:00.480 who not to charge and what charges not to So 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.560 you need people who look like us in those positions. 0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:07.759 It was grossly unreported on. When the media started paying 0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:11.600 more attention to those types of things and happening in 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:17.160 different bureaucracies and different municipalities, we saw a sweep of 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.880 more black people being elected in those positions. These are 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:23.120 elected positions. So this is why, to Andrew's point, those 0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:27.840 down ballot races matter just as much. Maryland was elected 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:30.360 to that position. She pissed off a lot of people. 0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:34.200 The police unions were very upset with her after that happened, 0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:38.560 and vowed vengeance and played the long game. And so Angela, 0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:42.160 I know this is something that you have been closely monitoring. 0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.120 I know you talked to some sources on the ground. 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:46.239 So I'd love to hear because i know that she's 0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:49.440 been charged with things and convicted at this point, but 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:51.560 I'm not really clear on all the charges and what 0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:52.560 exactly she did. 0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:55.680 Yeah, I want to just double down a little bit 0:49:55.719 --> 0:49:57.879 in what you were just saying about Maryland's role. 0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:00.000 Marylynd was a force. 0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:04.800 To be reckoned with as the Baltimore City State's Attorney. 0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:08.879 And the thing was, I was assuming this was all 0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:11.520 because of Freddy Gray, but it actually is much deeper 0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:15.680 than that. Freddy Gray was twenty fifteen. In twenty sixteen, 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:20.640 the Department of Justice released a report on Baltimore. Baltimore 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:26.440 Police departments patterns and practices of just like so many violations. 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:27.440 I mean, I can go through them. 0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:28.960 There's ale c cent degree. 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:31.120 There's a laundry list. Yes, they were under consent degree. 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:32.680 After explain what. 0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:38.399 Consent simply stated, when the Justice Department comes in and 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:42.960 they have recognized or observed a consistent pattern of misconduct, 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:47.839 the Justice Department then has the right to step into 0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:51.400 that agency to uncover whatever it needs to uncover, and 0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:54.080 then to basically put them on a diet or an 0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:55.840 action plan would be a better description. 0:50:55.920 --> 0:50:56.320 Probation. 0:50:56.520 --> 0:51:00.680 Probation but also with a set of actions, steps that 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:04.360 you were supposed to take to cure the harm. 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:06.759 It's important for listeners to understand that because a lot 0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:08.680 of time on cable news platforms they'll say these things 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:10.759 like DJ and content degree. People don't know, so I 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:11.359 think it's far. 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:14.000 In fact, it's important underscore that most of the consent 0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:16.680 degrees that have come down over the history of DOJ 0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:20.360 have been to right wrongs that have mostly been perpetuated 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:22.600 against black folks all across the country. 0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:28.160 So, in addition to the Freddy Gray case, the consent decree, 0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.120 because you all know that she did charge six officers 0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:33.239 in the Freddy Gray case and was not successful. 0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:36.319 But after that, none of the officers were convicted, correct, not. 0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:38.840 That I remember, Yeah, not that I remember. 0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:43.600 So after that, Maryland went on to successfully prosecute thirty 0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:47.480 three police officers on various convictions. There was a gun 0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:53.480 Trace Task Force in twenty seventeen where eight officers were 0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:59.120 charged and convicted by twenty eighteen relating to stealing money 0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:04.239 stealing like all types of corruption. She was successful in that. 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:09.040 In addition to that, she worked with a delegate in 0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:11.520 Maryland by the name of Eric Barron, who you will 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:12.480 hear more about later. 0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:13.640 I'll go back to that. 0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:17.279 But she also was She told people when she came 0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:19.600 into office that she was not going to prosecute any 0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:20.280 weed convictions. 0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:21.600 Folks were upset about that. 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:26.720 A lot of low level offenses she declined to prosecute yes. 0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:30.040 And specifically around weed. 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:33.440 She was like, yeah, sorry, marijuana, cannabis convintion. She was 0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:36.120 not going to do that. She worked on a bill 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:40.279 with a former state Delegate, Eric Barron, and that bill 0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:45.239 was a vacature statute in twenty nineteen, and she and 0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:49.560 from that also worked to remove the convictions of eight 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:53.959 hundred of eight hundred plus cases from the thirty three 0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:56.640 or sorry, from the eight officers that were associated with 0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:58.960 the Gun Trace Task Force. 0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:00.480 What is the old statue? 0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:05.440 She over a vacated previous previous guilty verdicts or if 0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:09.440 there were negotiations between and somebody you know, cop to 0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:12.400 being having done what you said I did, whether they 0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:15.919 did it or not sentence, So she vacated those previous orders. 0:53:15.960 --> 0:53:16.200 Got it. 0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:20.440 Then, in addition to that, helped to exonerate thirteen innocent 0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:24.319 black men, and then worked through her Crime Control and 0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:30.200 Prevention Division to develop and foster relationships that are healthy 0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:33.720 relationships with the justice system with seven thousand young people. 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:34.040 Wow. 0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:38.600 When she was voted out of office in twenty twenty two, 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:44.200 her opponent basically has undone all of those reforms. They 0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:48.359 were mostly funded by Sinclair I'm broadcasting, and. 0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:51.319 So Sinclair Broadcasting is a conservative outlet. What do you 0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:52.319 mean they were funded. 0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:54.200 Which runs probably any. 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:58.719 Local wherever you live in your neighborhood. But you're saying 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:02.440 they funded this guy's campaign against Yeah. Can I just 0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:05.000 say one thing really quickly, in full disclosure, I worked 0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:08.560 with Nick Mosby, Maryland's either soon to be x husband 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:10.800 or ex husband on a campaign, so I know a 0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:14.640 little bit about Baltimore. It has the highest concentration of 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:19.480 formally incarcerated individuals. Did at the time that number may 0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:23.680 have shifted. So high is this number that on campaigns 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:28.400 when people run for mayor, the formerly incarcerated are organized 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:33.279 enough that they endorse candidates, they hold candidate forums, and 0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:36.919 they It is impressive to see. And it's mostly black men, 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:40.799 probably ninety eight percent Black men, who have you know, 0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:44.000 served their time, whether it was deserved or not, but 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:46.600 as we all know, it's a very unforgiving criminal justice 0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:48.920 system and have come out and use their political power 0:54:49.280 --> 0:54:52.080 and they I know Marilyn Mosby and Nick would both 0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:54.080 engage them, so her work seems stellar. 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:56.400 Sorry, no, I'm glad that you said that. 0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:59.600 I think the thing to know now is fast forward 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:03.440 past all of that success, there's little black kids that 0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:05.719 now are like, oh, I actually can be a prosecutor. 0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:07.359 I see myself reflected in this. 0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:10.120 My family members who I thought would normally be on 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.560 the other end of what I've done, would actually be 0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:16.320 helped by me being in office. Maryland has been severely 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:21.920 punished so since then, Maryland has faced several counts of 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:26.239 perjury of making false mortgage applications. She was tried in 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:31.960 November of twenty twenty three for and I'm sorry, convicted 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:34.840 in November twenty twenty three of two counts of perjury. 0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:37.400 The charges were related. 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:40.920 To withdrawing of funds from the City of Baltimore's deferred 0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:43.279 compensation plan. That's as if if you had a four 0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:45.040 oh one K, if you're in corporate on the hill, 0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:46.279 we had thrift savings plan. 0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:50.200 This is her money, her money that she's like a 0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:52.120 retirement plan of her sorrow and k. 0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:56.000 So even better than a retirement plan. A deferred compensation 0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:59.160 plan is like you're supposed to get thirty more thousand 0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:02.040 dollars a year in your salary, except you defer that 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:05.640 thirty thousand into a retirement plan or into a savings account. 0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:08.680 That acts like a retirement plan which you can borrow 0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:13.000 from at any point in time, and it accrues interests, 0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:15.440 but the interest is paid back to yourself. This is 0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:17.160 she that money money. 0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:23.399 Wow, And so she claimed adverse financial consequences during the 0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:24.560 COVID pandemic. 0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:26.320 Let's just pause right there. 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:29.480 Then, the two withdrawals that she took out, I want 0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:31.880 to make sure I hit these amounts. This is very important. 0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:35.799 Forty thousand dollars and fifty thousand dollars. So that's for 0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:39.560 a total of ninety thousand dollars. The deferred compensation plan 0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:43.319 is a four point fifty seven B and it's a 0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:45.640 COVID related distribution request. 0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:49.680 The executive director of this deferred. 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:53.200 Compensation plan, his name is David Randall, testified on the 0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:57.040 stand that a hardship, it's not a hardship, it's an 0:56:57.080 --> 0:57:00.920 adverse financial consequence. And an adverse financial consequence could be 0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:05.759 fifty dollars. If you were hit by fifty dollars, you 0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.800 can you would qualify for being able to withdraw this money. 0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:13.960 The Department of Justice argued that she didn't experience financial hardship, 0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:17.919 which is an objective standard. It's the subjective the subjective 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:23.200 standard is an adverse financial consequence, So they were arguing 0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:24.000 two different. 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:27.240 STANDARDSLA just just to say further about the objectiveness of it. 0:57:27.400 --> 0:57:30.280 The reason why it is further objective is because you 0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:32.000 can't go to a computer and put it in a 0:57:32.000 --> 0:57:35.480 reason and then it put out an approval or denial. 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:40.640 An individual must hear a reason and that individual then 0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:42.840 decides whether or not you meet it or you don't. 0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:48.040 So there are guidelines, but it's almost it is almost 0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:50.760 one subjective. 0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:53.160 And she was able to withdraw. 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:57.600 And the point is a proof of it, right, DJ 0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:02.280 the Department of Justice said she didn't experience financial hardship 0:58:02.280 --> 0:58:05.680 again or arguing that objective standard, because she received her 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:06.440 full salary. 0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:07.680 Now here's where I want to pause. 0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:10.880 As black people, how many of us know she makes 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:12.959 on the north another side of two undred and fifty 0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:14.440 thousand dollars a year as a prosecutor. 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:16.200 She's the breadwinner for her family. 0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:19.600 Her husband is in a city council, pays very. 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:26.680 Little, but forget about him. Her mama cousin every knows. 0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:33.440 Children so young, if anyone went through the pandemic, remember 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:36.360 like we have to put ourselves there. We don't know 0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:39.040 when this thing is going to end. We don't know 0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:42.040 how long we're carrying the people in our family. That 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:45.920 is an adverse financial consequence. You don't get to decide 0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:49.320 that for her. So this is all of what's what's 0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:53.520 at play in this November trial. They said there's no 0:58:53.600 --> 0:58:57.720 definition for what an adverse financial consequences consequence is. That 0:58:57.880 --> 0:59:01.960 is why seven hundred and thirty nine people in the 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:04.920 City of Baltimore who have on the same deferred conversation 0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:07.080 plan withdrew money from that. 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:08.720 Three of them were. 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:12.160 In the same agency as Marilyn Moseby. But she's the one. 0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:13.840 How manywhere prosecuted her charge? 0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:14.080 I do? 0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:16.560 I think Marylynd is the only one because they're making 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:17.440 an example out of her. 0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:18.520 So this is very clear. 0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:23.160 Marilyn at this point, her marriage is on the rocks. 0:59:23.800 --> 0:59:26.760 She is thinking about home ownership and the fact that 0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:29.000 she does not own a home because her name is 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:31.640 not on the family home, and she's trying to figure 0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:33.960 out how to get on her feet with her two girls. 0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:37.720 Henselos two withdraws because they're going to be used. She 0:59:37.840 --> 0:59:41.680 hopes to buy a home for them. Now, the potential 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:45.640 potential sentence for the two perjury counts she was convicted 0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:50.160 on is three years. I'm sorry, five years. Now, let's 0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:52.360 go to February twenty twenty four, because that's not it. 0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:55.919 They bifurcated the trials. They bifurcated the charges. So she's 0:59:56.080 --> 0:59:58.680 tried on this first set of issues. Now there's the 0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:00.000 mortgage application issue. 1:00:00.280 --> 1:00:02.600 So right now it's five years for the well you 1:00:02.680 --> 1:00:04.280 just explained us. She's facing five years. 1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:06.720 Yes, she has not been sentenced yet from the November 1:00:06.760 --> 1:00:10.160 case because they were waiting to sentence her altogether after 1:00:10.200 --> 1:00:13.280 the February case. So in February, just last month, she 1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:16.840 was facing two counts and making false mortgage applications. She 1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:21.000 was found guilty and convicted for one of those counts. 1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:25.320 They say that she made seven missrepresentations in her mortgage application, 1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:29.720 including not sharing that there was a delinquent tax lien. 1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:33.000 Nick has already testified. Nick Boseby's already testified in court 1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:35.840 that he lied to her about clearing that lien, so 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:40.640 the mortgage application was answered to the best of her knowledge. 1:00:40.880 --> 1:00:42.640 They said that she was not supposed to use the 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:44.520 property as a rental property. Put a pin in that. 1:00:44.520 --> 1:00:47.600 We'll get back to that later, that she lied about 1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:50.240 a gift that she received from Nick in the amount 1:00:50.320 --> 1:00:53.959 of five thousand dollars, and that she wasn't honest about 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:56.280 a revolving account. They thought the tax line should go 1:00:56.320 --> 1:00:58.920 on the revolving account. It's a whole mess. This is 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:01.760 a mortgage application. I think those of us who have 1:01:01.800 --> 1:01:03.480 ever owned a home, there are a lot of things 1:01:03.520 --> 1:01:05.240 that you're doing to just try to get to the 1:01:05.280 --> 1:01:08.040 finish line in this process. And she was told by 1:01:08.080 --> 1:01:12.160 her mortgage broker. Mortgage broker testifies to this that he 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:16.280 told her that she could not withdraw the five thousand 1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:19.200 dollars from the shared account she has with her child. 1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:22.440 She put her daughter on her checking account. 1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:27.280 You cannot pay for the five thousand dollars earnest money 1:01:27.360 --> 1:01:28.920 with a miner's account. 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:31.480 So they said, do you have a joint account. 1:01:31.520 --> 1:01:33.440 She said yes. He said, well, can you get the 1:01:33.480 --> 1:01:36.200 money from your husband? She says, sure, I'll ask him 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:37.920 for it, but she was not sure if he had 1:01:37.960 --> 1:01:41.920 it based on the tax ling situation. She asked him 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:45.520 for the money, not sure that he has it. Because 1:01:45.640 --> 1:01:47.400 black women are always going to fill in the gap. 1:01:47.840 --> 1:01:50.680 She deposits the money and he can give it back 1:01:50.680 --> 1:01:53.280 to her, but to a different account. They decided that 1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:57.160 this is some type of money launder and enterprise, right, 1:01:57.320 --> 1:01:59.680 and then like all, it's this craziness. 1:02:00.120 --> 1:02:01.480 Anyway, the jury. 1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:04.640 Acquitted her on the Kissame property but convicted on the 1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:05.920 long Boat Key property. 1:02:05.960 --> 1:02:07.840 Both of them are Florida condos. 1:02:08.480 --> 1:02:11.400 That issue is mostly is this five thousand dollars gift 1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:15.320 from her husband and the prosecution is claiming that it 1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:19.160 was this whole money laundering operation. The thing that stresses 1:02:19.200 --> 1:02:22.640 me out about this is just from this piece alone. 1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:27.280 Maryland is facing thirty years no five. 1:02:27.360 --> 1:02:29.160 So is this in addition to so she get thirty 1:02:29.160 --> 1:02:29.640 five years? 1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:30.480 Yeah, she could. 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:34.000 This is a mother, This is a mother. But even 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:34.880 beyond that. 1:02:34.720 --> 1:02:37.200 This is I know we said we're not cussing that 1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:40.480 much on this podcast, but this is bullshit. And to 1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:44.440 tap into the bullshit, Scott Bolden, who was her attorney 1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:46.960 on the first case, went on the court steps and said, 1:02:47.320 --> 1:02:51.800 this is bullshit. God threatened to be held in criminal contempt. 1:02:51.600 --> 1:02:53.440 Because you can't speak ill the court. 1:02:53.600 --> 1:02:56.640 Wow. But he was on the court set outside. 1:02:59.680 --> 1:03:03.520 Making I got that's crazy, that's what I want to hear. 1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:07.040 You cannot insult the court. 1:03:08.840 --> 1:03:12.120 And this is I said, I wasn't gonna say this. 1:03:12.160 --> 1:03:16.480 I'm gonna tell y'all the delegate, the former delegate who 1:03:16.520 --> 1:03:20.840 she worked on the legislation with the the Eric the 1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:24.439 vacator statue is the prosecutor in the case. 1:03:25.000 --> 1:03:25.480 Wow. 1:03:25.680 --> 1:03:28.720 Now, okay, let me ask this is the prosecutor in 1:03:28.840 --> 1:03:31.240 this case and did he decide to do this or 1:03:31.320 --> 1:03:32.600 was he instructed to do this? 1:03:32.680 --> 1:03:36.120 Well, you can always say no, you can quit, you can. 1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:40.080 But here's my other thing. Eric Barron is a black man, 1:03:40.400 --> 1:03:43.960 a US attorney who was appointed by this administration, this 1:03:44.200 --> 1:03:47.800 judge who was threatening to hold Scott in criminal contempt 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:51.880 of the court, which then put him in conflict to 1:03:51.920 --> 1:03:55.080 not be able to represent Maryland in the second trial. 1:03:55.720 --> 1:03:57.960 She then had to get a public defender in the 1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:01.160 second trial, the judge to threaten to hold him in 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:04.080 the criminal content of the court, black woman appointed by 1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:04.920 Joe Biden as well. 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:09.160 So again, this is I know, a huge night. 1:04:10.440 --> 1:04:14.560 Federal charges, federal charges, facing thirty five years in prison 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:15.480 for what like. 1:04:15.400 --> 1:04:18.800 Can you just name check the identity the race of 1:04:18.840 --> 1:04:22.080 these individuals who were culprits in this all. I made 1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:25.320 the point earlier route power and I said it was 1:04:25.480 --> 1:04:29.680 in many ways without regard to race. I know you're 1:04:29.720 --> 1:04:31.240 not done, but I want to pull back just for 1:04:31.280 --> 1:04:34.680 a second, because first of all, to learn of the 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:39.760 particulars is to just grow more frustrated by the whole thing. 1:04:40.600 --> 1:04:44.360 Because I think the greatest offense occurred when you pull 1:04:44.480 --> 1:04:48.040 back to their ever being charges in the first place. 1:04:48.160 --> 1:04:51.919 I would like to know how many times the US 1:04:52.000 --> 1:04:56.000 attorney in this district has bought similar like charges to 1:04:56.160 --> 1:04:57.040 any other. 1:04:57.480 --> 1:04:58.760 Person correct in the city. 1:04:58.800 --> 1:05:02.440 Because this, this, this, this gets at the heart of 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:07.320 selective prosecution. Selective prosecution, which is a defined term in 1:05:07.360 --> 1:05:11.960 the Department of Justice. The United States Department of Justice 1:05:12.080 --> 1:05:15.480 understands what it means to select because of who the 1:05:15.520 --> 1:05:20.400 person is, to then decide to go after them for 1:05:20.840 --> 1:05:24.120 reasons or causes that you have never pursued anyone else, 1:05:25.120 --> 1:05:26.520 never pursued anyone else. 1:05:26.560 --> 1:05:29.200 It is targeted and to make an example out of her. 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:32.080 And it's not just for anybody who becomes a prosecutor 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:32.680 in Baltimore. 1:05:32.720 --> 1:05:35.040 It is for black prosecutors. 1:05:34.360 --> 1:05:39.800 Across the state. Plainly, what the example is. The example 1:05:39.920 --> 1:05:46.040 is this woman had the unmitigated goal to turn a 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:51.800 system that has survived generations, that has survived ancestors that 1:05:51.840 --> 1:05:55.200 has survived, and is that it is a critical part 1:05:55.680 --> 1:06:00.320 of upholding the status quo as they know it. If 1:06:00.360 --> 1:06:02.800 police officers in Baltimore now know that they can be 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:05.920 held accountable for their illegal activity while under the cover 1:06:06.160 --> 1:06:11.920 of the badge, y'all, are you kidding me? She has 1:06:12.840 --> 1:06:17.400 I cannot overstate on this podcast how critical her disruption 1:06:17.960 --> 1:06:21.160 has been. I would say that Marilyn Moseby was at 1:06:21.160 --> 1:06:25.080 the tip of the spear of prosecutors around this country 1:06:25.160 --> 1:06:28.800 deciding that it was okay to then pursue prosecutions law 1:06:28.880 --> 1:06:32.000 enforcement officers. So her example is not just about being 1:06:32.040 --> 1:06:37.120 in Baltimore. Her example is influence is it is larger 1:06:37.120 --> 1:06:39.040 than any of us will ever be able to put work. 1:06:39.240 --> 1:06:41.800 I have a question for you, if I may this woman, 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:45.760 well both of you, really, we cannot let she held 1:06:45.800 --> 1:06:48.800 the line for us as a community, and she faced 1:06:48.840 --> 1:06:52.120 and squared off against the system. You two have squared 1:06:52.200 --> 1:06:54.400 off against the federal government and lived to tell about it, 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:57.200 which is not a very common thing. You are an attorney. 1:06:57.800 --> 1:06:59.840 We cannot let this happen. She held the line for us, 1:06:59.840 --> 1:07:02.400 when the whole the line for her. What can we 1:07:02.440 --> 1:07:05.320 do now? To make sure that she does not see 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:07.840 one day of jail time. I'm not talking about to 1:07:07.840 --> 1:07:11.920 reduce sentence. This mother of two, who survived a hard 1:07:12.080 --> 1:07:17.400 upcoming upbringing in Boston, Massachusetts, went to Tuskegee, I believe 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:19.560 is the word. She and Nick met in Alabama. 1:07:19.840 --> 1:07:21.680 She is the daughter and the great granddaughter of law 1:07:21.720 --> 1:07:22.440 enforcement office. 1:07:22.520 --> 1:07:25.560 Yes, yeah, she comes from law enforcement. We cannot let 1:07:25.560 --> 1:07:27.960 this happen to her. What would have been helpful to 1:07:28.040 --> 1:07:30.720 you when you were going through this? And Angela's an attorney, like, 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:32.200 what can the people listening do? 1:07:32.400 --> 1:07:34.000 So where we are, I mean, I'll just say what 1:07:34.000 --> 1:07:37.120 would have been helpful, obviously would have been the resources 1:07:37.160 --> 1:07:42.640 to bring a fight that matched the enemy that your opposition. Right. 1:07:42.720 --> 1:07:47.600 I needed the strength both legally but also financially to 1:07:47.720 --> 1:07:51.360 wage that war. There are people sitting incarcerated today, far 1:07:51.440 --> 1:07:54.800 too many who didn't necessarily commit the crimes that they 1:07:54.920 --> 1:07:58.400 were accused of, but they did not have the resources, 1:07:58.440 --> 1:08:04.920 the wherewithal, or the stomach to potentially risk being away 1:08:04.960 --> 1:08:07.320 from their children and their family a day longer than 1:08:07.440 --> 1:08:10.200 was necessary. Right, And so they say, I'll cop to 1:08:10.240 --> 1:08:14.320 this because ninety nine point nine percent of cases that 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:17.559 the Department of Justice brings either they settle or they 1:08:17.600 --> 1:08:19.519 win in court. I'm part of what is known as 1:08:19.560 --> 1:08:23.840 the three percenters, three percent who fight back and then 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:27.880 beat they ass and beat they ass because they're liars. 1:08:28.120 --> 1:08:31.080 And I don't I'm not casting all expersions, but you 1:08:31.120 --> 1:08:35.240 do understand how closely hand in glove law enforcement and 1:08:35.280 --> 1:08:40.320 prosecutors officers are. It is prosecuted don't bring cases without 1:08:40.439 --> 1:08:44.040 the support and the wherewithal of law enforcement. Law enforcement 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:46.479 doesn't work these cases up to then go present it 1:08:46.479 --> 1:08:49.600 to the attorney without the support of the attorney. So 1:08:49.720 --> 1:08:52.800 what I don't know if she's got a fund of 1:08:52.960 --> 1:08:56.160 a setup, a legal defense fund. But it sounds to 1:08:56.200 --> 1:08:59.759 me like there are mini grounds for appeal, but also 1:09:00.200 --> 1:09:03.880 that there are political grounds under which this department should 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:06.760 not have been and is not within its rights. If 1:09:06.760 --> 1:09:08.560 we were to pay attention to the letter of the 1:09:08.640 --> 1:09:13.320 law under this target prosecution to have been bought charges 1:09:13.360 --> 1:09:16.080 in the first place, they wouldn't sneeze that five thousand 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:16.519 dollars at a. 1:09:16.640 --> 1:09:18.679 Party jan under Donald Trump. 1:09:19.040 --> 1:09:21.519 And the first thing that I would say is, Merrit Garland, 1:09:21.560 --> 1:09:23.800 what are you going to do to separate yourself from 1:09:23.800 --> 1:09:27.479 a different Department of Justice, the break administration. But I'm 1:09:27.520 --> 1:09:29.800 saying it's time for somebody to ask them. I think 1:09:29.800 --> 1:09:31.320 that Merrick Garland needs to resign. 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:32.160 He is. 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:36.439 Really like culpable in a lot of ways. 1:09:36.439 --> 1:09:40.040 And this whole targeting of black elected officials that has 1:09:40.080 --> 1:09:42.679 been it doesn't matter who's in office, really, they will 1:09:42.720 --> 1:09:45.120 just target black elected officials. And I think that is 1:09:45.160 --> 1:09:48.920 where we get into the nuance of partisanship and when 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:52.000 we don't see ourselves reflected in something that we voted for. 1:09:52.360 --> 1:09:54.559 We stood up for you, we protected you. 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:56.479 You were going to be a Supreme Court justice, firus 1:09:56.680 --> 1:09:58.880 I went on air defending your ass when I did 1:09:58.960 --> 1:10:01.400 not believe in your ability to really protect our interests 1:10:01.520 --> 1:10:03.640 on the Supreme Court. And then this is how you 1:10:03.720 --> 1:10:04.240 repay us. 1:10:04.400 --> 1:10:07.120 But he's not going to resign. So if I want 1:10:07.200 --> 1:10:08.200 him to resign. 1:10:07.960 --> 1:10:11.000 We can. But I'm saying realistically and tangible, I don't 1:10:11.040 --> 1:10:13.280 think what can we do Maryland right now? 1:10:13.439 --> 1:10:15.640 But I'm just just a part of it, because what 1:10:15.640 --> 1:10:20.720 I'm getting at is he is listening to this man 1:10:20.800 --> 1:10:21.799 named Leo Wise. 1:10:22.160 --> 1:10:23.120 Why does this matter? 1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:27.040 Leo Wise was the chief counsel for the Office of 1:10:27.080 --> 1:10:29.680 Congressional ethics. When it was stood up. Nancy Pelosi came 1:10:29.720 --> 1:10:31.439 in saying, we're gonna be tough on ethics. So they 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:35.240 stood up this whole office that targeted CBC members. 1:10:35.880 --> 1:10:37.479 Congressman Waters was subject to. 1:10:37.479 --> 1:10:39.680 An ethics investigation by this same man. What does Leo 1:10:39.760 --> 1:10:42.240 Wise have to do with Maryland? He went to dj 1:10:43.000 --> 1:10:45.320 He was the one that worked at Maryland's case. This 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:47.439 is now under Donald Trump and they. 1:10:47.360 --> 1:10:48.240 Still kept this going. 1:10:48.320 --> 1:10:49.120 Now it's under bid it. 1:10:49.200 --> 1:10:51.839 That's what I'm saying. It started under Donald Trump, though. 1:10:53.280 --> 1:10:58.720 In the plot to to was under Barack Obama. So 1:10:58.800 --> 1:11:02.040 let me just say this that these institutions exist. 1:11:03.400 --> 1:11:07.360 So my point is that until someone is held to 1:11:07.520 --> 1:11:10.960 account for how that system is operating, it is going 1:11:11.000 --> 1:11:11.880 to continue. 1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:13.240 Like they need to clean house. 1:11:13.360 --> 1:11:15.120 It shouldn't just be Mery Garland, it should be that 1:11:15.160 --> 1:11:17.640 whole department that there needs to be an Office of 1:11:17.680 --> 1:11:20.640 inspector general report on what is happening in there and 1:11:20.720 --> 1:11:24.799 the targeting of elected officials. How dare you prosecute someone 1:11:25.120 --> 1:11:29.040 for five thousand goddamn dollars when Donald Trump has ninety 1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:29.800 one indictments? 1:11:29.840 --> 1:11:30.559 Are you kidding me? 1:11:30.760 --> 1:11:33.000 And y'all are twiddling your thumbs, trying to figure out 1:11:33.160 --> 1:11:34.840 what to do with him, how to go at him. 1:11:35.040 --> 1:11:37.439 And this is what you're like, the government, Wait a minute, 1:11:37.960 --> 1:11:41.439 the resources that are being spent, the taxpayer dollars that 1:11:41.479 --> 1:11:42.240 are being. 1:11:42.080 --> 1:11:43.519 Spent on this trial. 1:11:43.640 --> 1:11:47.400 This is millions of dollars for five thousand goddamn dollars. 1:11:47.439 --> 1:11:49.360 So the thing is, if I'm Maryland, I'm like, what 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:51.439 can we do? I know that, But what I'm saying 1:11:51.439 --> 1:11:53.559 is you have to Can we ask the administration for 1:11:53.600 --> 1:11:54.000 a party? 1:11:54.080 --> 1:11:54.240 Yes? 1:11:54.439 --> 1:11:56.880 Of course, And we've been saying we started that last week, 1:11:56.920 --> 1:11:58.800 like of course we go to the pardon. But this 1:11:59.439 --> 1:12:02.240 I think Marylyn would not just want us to protect 1:12:02.360 --> 1:12:03.120 just Maryland. 1:12:03.560 --> 1:12:06.360 This office has to be dealt with. They have to 1:12:06.400 --> 1:12:08.000 be held to account. She should. 1:12:08.240 --> 1:12:12.320 I So, first of all, if and I appreciate you 1:12:12.439 --> 1:12:14.439 drawing us back to this, because if you're listening and 1:12:14.439 --> 1:12:16.800 you're wondering, watch what I care about this thing? Why 1:12:16.800 --> 1:12:19.080 does this matter? Why do we have to listen to 1:12:19.120 --> 1:12:23.280 that level of detail? If you, if you are sincere folks, 1:12:23.320 --> 1:12:28.679 and your desire, your need for justice and the way 1:12:28.720 --> 1:12:33.360 it is administered in this country, for Maryland, for me, 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:37.280 for names that we cannot call this moment. But we 1:12:37.320 --> 1:12:39.200 can tell you without a shadow of the doubt that 1:12:39.280 --> 1:12:41.839 somebody else is being raked over the colds ten times 1:12:41.880 --> 1:12:45.920 over by this same institution that has been built, stood 1:12:46.000 --> 1:12:51.719 up and is largely operating to silence what are political enemies? 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:58.839 And Marylynd matters. 1:12:55.920 --> 1:12:59.880 It's political enemy advocates for black just. 1:13:00.680 --> 1:13:03.880 Well Angela who But then then ask ourselves who doesn't 1:13:03.880 --> 1:13:09.360 want that that thing happening? So before her, there weren't 1:13:09.360 --> 1:13:13.040 prosecutors who were ever viewed as being separate from law enforcement. 1:13:13.520 --> 1:13:16.160 Prosecutors were not seeing as separate from that grand juries? 1:13:16.160 --> 1:13:18.519 Can you believe that grand juries in this country, which 1:13:18.560 --> 1:13:21.840 is a which we inherited from Great Britain when they 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:25.720 were colonizing the world, every place they colonized got rid 1:13:25.800 --> 1:13:29.040 of the grand jury process except two places, the United 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:31.360 States being one of them. And then we decided to 1:13:31.439 --> 1:13:33.840 ensconce it in our constitution in the sixth Amendment, so 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:36.600 on and so forth. But the grand jury was supposedly 1:13:36.680 --> 1:13:41.720 set up so that citizens could be sure that governments 1:13:41.720 --> 1:13:44.719 did not use its power to go after their own 1:13:44.720 --> 1:13:46.760 individual enemies. It was supposed to be a check on them. 1:13:46.920 --> 1:13:49.720 What are they today? They are a rubber stamp. Can 1:13:49.760 --> 1:13:50.400 we hear this? 1:13:50.600 --> 1:13:52.559 Grand juries used to be filled with black women. 1:13:52.560 --> 1:13:56.240 And they mean nothing today other than a rubber stamp 1:13:56.240 --> 1:13:59.360 on prosecutors. All I'm saying here is this sister matters. 1:13:59.400 --> 1:14:01.640 If you forget her name, if you forget what her 1:14:01.720 --> 1:14:05.080 job title was, let me tell you she is transformative 1:14:05.120 --> 1:14:10.479 to how justice can be perceived to be administered in 1:14:10.520 --> 1:14:14.599 a fair way that goes after every corruptor that goes after. 1:14:14.720 --> 1:14:17.240 Nobody is above the law, not law enforcement, and not 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:20.439 a president. She exhibited that she's now paying the cost 1:14:20.520 --> 1:14:21.880 of it. I know that there are people who are 1:14:21.920 --> 1:14:24.280 sitting in judgment about where they could have done this, 1:14:24.320 --> 1:14:26.080 and they could have done that. She didn't do anything 1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:29.840 different than people who are going in every day getting mortgages. 1:14:29.880 --> 1:14:32.439 They figure out a way to make it happen, and 1:14:32.479 --> 1:14:37.679 with their own money and resources art and they didn't 1:14:37.720 --> 1:14:39.960 go out there trying to break some law and find 1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:42.760 themselves at the crossairs of the federal government coming after 1:14:42.840 --> 1:14:44.600 them viciously. 1:14:44.840 --> 1:14:47.280 Well, Marylyn now is in a position where she doesn't 1:14:47.320 --> 1:14:50.840 even have a car. Her grandmother is in hospice, she 1:14:50.920 --> 1:14:53.919 has cancer. She's trying to take care of her grandmother 1:14:54.200 --> 1:14:58.120 she still has her two girls. I think the divorce 1:14:58.200 --> 1:15:02.439 is almost final. If it's not final, this is such 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:08.120 a tragic, catastrophic event. I cannot imagine how she's just 1:15:08.200 --> 1:15:12.160 making it. She's barely holding on. This is something that 1:15:12.520 --> 1:15:15.400 we need to call to attention. I'm just gonna remind 1:15:15.680 --> 1:15:19.439 the listening audience in case y'all don't know. When Kamala 1:15:19.479 --> 1:15:23.240 Harris was being called top cop and being raked over 1:15:23.280 --> 1:15:27.559 the calls for prosecuting black men, Marilyn is someone who 1:15:27.600 --> 1:15:30.599 they called on to defend her as a surrogate. And 1:15:30.680 --> 1:15:35.839 I would this administration owes her a pardon, not because 1:15:35.840 --> 1:15:39.200 she campaigned for them, but because this is bullshit and 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:41.720 it is so wrong. 1:15:41.040 --> 1:15:45.080 And it's illegal under DOJ guideline. How about this is illegal? 1:15:45.160 --> 1:15:49.200 The practice is illegal. You have selectively targeted a person, 1:15:49.760 --> 1:15:52.200 not because of what they'd done. You sought after, you 1:15:52.320 --> 1:15:55.600 selected records going back as far as twenty fourteen. You 1:15:55.680 --> 1:15:59.839 were after trying to catch her up on something. And y'all, 1:16:00.120 --> 1:16:03.280 there were foundations. There were wealthy people, there were celebrities, 1:16:03.320 --> 1:16:05.559 there were others who lifted Maryland up and held her 1:16:05.600 --> 1:16:08.799 as a she wrote and a heroine in our community. 1:16:09.040 --> 1:16:11.559 Because of what she did well, she is no less 1:16:11.640 --> 1:16:15.439 that person today. That's right, and she's deserving of our 1:16:15.600 --> 1:16:19.760 support and our outcry to this administration to make right 1:16:19.960 --> 1:16:21.240 what they have done wrong. 1:16:21.400 --> 1:16:24.479 Yeah, and so to this point, May twenty third is 1:16:24.520 --> 1:16:27.720 when she's supposed to be sentenced, they can absolutely tee 1:16:27.800 --> 1:16:29.559 up a partner. And that's what we should ask our 1:16:29.560 --> 1:16:33.160 listening audience and our viewers to do. Tell this administration 1:16:33.200 --> 1:16:36.160 they should be partnering Marilyn Moseby. Marilyn Moseby's the exact 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:40.320 type of prosecutor this country needs. Everyone who's a progressive 1:16:40.360 --> 1:16:43.960 prosecutor right now is being faced with this type of animus. 1:16:44.000 --> 1:16:46.200 And I think that it's time for DOJ to be 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:47.439 turned up, seth and last. 1:16:47.400 --> 1:16:49.120 Before we go to a break and then come back 1:16:49.120 --> 1:16:53.040 with our asks of you. I want you to know 1:16:54.439 --> 1:16:57.280 that what this is attempting to send as a signal 1:16:57.920 --> 1:17:02.240 that if you even think about prosecutor, running for prosecutor 1:17:02.280 --> 1:17:05.519 becoming prosecutor in the mold of a Maryland Moseby, you 1:17:05.600 --> 1:17:09.400 better think again. So the shot over the bow is 1:17:09.439 --> 1:17:12.519 not to Maryland. They don't care. That means they clearly 1:17:12.520 --> 1:17:15.320 they want her out of the way. But the shot 1:17:15.360 --> 1:17:17.920 really is to the rest of us to say, don't 1:17:17.960 --> 1:17:20.800 you dare even dream about it? Young man, young woman, 1:17:21.040 --> 1:17:25.800 little boy, stay in your proper place, do the proper thing. Well, 1:17:25.920 --> 1:17:29.479 yoh's and that's it. So just know that the opposite 1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:32.680 of doing nothing and allow this to happen is to 1:17:32.760 --> 1:17:36.479 allow them to win at this fight for achieving world 1:17:36.720 --> 1:17:39.360 justice in this country. We're never going to get there 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:42.800 if this is what they can do to seekers of justice. 1:17:42.800 --> 1:17:45.000 And Donald Trump got ninety one in diatments right, and 1:17:45.120 --> 1:17:46.360 we tell my five thousand dollars. 1:17:46.840 --> 1:17:49.080 I honestly just want to say thank you, Angela, because 1:17:49.320 --> 1:17:52.160 I think it's important to hear this in lay person's 1:17:52.280 --> 1:17:55.160 terms about what exactly happens. So thanks for doing the 1:17:55.160 --> 1:17:57.559 background and the research and making it plain. And thank 1:17:57.600 --> 1:17:59.880 you Andrew for sharing your testimony about what you went 1:18:00.160 --> 1:18:02.320 because I want to make it real and tangible for people. 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:04.960 Imagine if this were you, you would want people to 1:18:05.000 --> 1:18:07.840 stand in your corner. And you know, for anybody who 1:18:07.840 --> 1:18:11.040 supports Marylyn Maryland, if you're listening, we will not forget you. 1:18:11.040 --> 1:18:14.200 You did not abandon us, You stood for us, and 1:18:14.240 --> 1:18:16.439 we will always stand with you and for you. 1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:18.840 Thank you, sus and now we'll pay some bills and 1:18:18.920 --> 1:18:29.719 be right back. Well, Angela, I appreciate you deep diving 1:18:29.800 --> 1:18:32.479 us on that really important conversation, and of course we 1:18:32.560 --> 1:18:37.320 invite you all to follow it up. But unfortunately, listeners, 1:18:37.439 --> 1:18:40.719 we went over our time, So politics everywhere. We're kicking 1:18:40.760 --> 1:18:43.160 that to a mini pod and you won't want to 1:18:43.160 --> 1:18:45.960 miss it. We'll be talking actor Terrence Howard, who is 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:50.719 ordered to pay one million in back taxes after saying 1:18:51.560 --> 1:18:54.000 I won't tell you right now. You'll have to listen 1:18:54.080 --> 1:19:00.559 up for the rest of that response. So some calls 1:19:00.560 --> 1:19:02.599 to action, I know we actually I feel like we've 1:19:02.640 --> 1:19:05.519 already given the one that I'm a co signed, so 1:19:06.000 --> 1:19:08.479 y'all can give yours. But my call to action is 1:19:08.520 --> 1:19:12.320 going to be really toward this Maryland Moseby piece of folks, 1:19:12.320 --> 1:19:15.040 tweeting about it, pushing it out, doing whatever you got 1:19:15.040 --> 1:19:17.559 to do to spread the word. This woman deserves a pardon, 1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:20.880 not for herself only, but for all of us and 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:23.320 the way in which she's stood up for real justice, 1:19:23.439 --> 1:19:25.839 real reform. Angela, what you got. 1:19:25.680 --> 1:19:26.880 I definitely agree with that. 1:19:27.000 --> 1:19:29.759 I want to shout out again our dear sister tiff 1:19:30.320 --> 1:19:32.679 On a Cross Generations. 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