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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode

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Speaker 1: nine of Native Lampod where we break down all that's

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Speaker 1: happening in politics with a little bit of culture spread

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Speaker 1: in there. We're your hosts Tiffany Cross, Angela Rai and

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Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Gellam celebrating what, ladies, the beginning of Women's

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Speaker 1: History Month. Welcome home everybody. In fact, this is such

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Speaker 1: a special Women's History month for us to be talking

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Speaker 1: in person because we've got a pretty awesome history maker

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Speaker 1: sitting right between us.

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Speaker 2: Three history makers.

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Speaker 1: Well but but there's something to be new said y'all.

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Speaker 1: You may have heard. Let me just say this first

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Speaker 1: and parton more. Tiffany ain't going nowhere, She's right here.

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Speaker 1: This is Native Pod Family. Ain't giving that kind of way.

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Speaker 1: I don't want nobody rumoring about the wrong stuff. Our

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Speaker 1: co host, the Tiffany Cross, is about to launch out

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Speaker 1: on a new endeavor. Film producer and fam you rattler,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, and veteran journalist our friend Tiffany

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Speaker 1: Cross are set to launch a cross like what you

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Speaker 1: did there generations with iHeart Podcast debuting March the twelfth,

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Speaker 1: and the reason why this is so important to mention

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Speaker 1: during Women's His Room because tell us about it. Tip,

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Speaker 1: but you're gonna be talking across generation and ways to

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Speaker 1: further love on, educate, share knowledge and wisdom experientially across generations.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about the Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, thank you to my co hosts

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Speaker 2: for the shout out and giving me this time to

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Speaker 2: talk about it. I am not going anywhere. We've made

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Speaker 2: this announcement on Instagram and across all the socials and

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Speaker 2: people are like you're leaving natively and by like, no,

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Speaker 2: this is my family. So we will continue to talk

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Speaker 2: aboutics here every week on across generations. You will not

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Speaker 2: hear anything about politics at all. This is where I'm

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Speaker 2: talking to It's I'm convening a conversation of black women,

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Speaker 2: a woman who's old enough to be my mother, young

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Speaker 2: enough to be my daughter, and we'll talk about a

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Speaker 2: singular topic. So we might talk about sex and how

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Speaker 2: our attitudes has changed about sex because somebody in their

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Speaker 2: sixties or seventies has a different relationship with sex. Somebody

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Speaker 2: in their twenties could be having sex with a few people,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe at the same time, it might, it

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Speaker 2: might be having it might, but it's new for it's

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Speaker 2: changed for them, you know. And even if they've been

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Speaker 2: that way their whole life, the way we look at

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Speaker 2: it as a society has changed. And so I will

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Speaker 2: tell y'all, I'm telling all my business. I am getting

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Speaker 2: into my personal life. I'm not just the interviewer, the moderator.

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Speaker 2: It is a conversation, and so we'll talk about, you know, sex,

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Speaker 2: but it could be like what do you wish you

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Speaker 2: know about money in your twenties? It could be you know,

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Speaker 2: what if you never had kids, you know, with the

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Speaker 2: twenty something who doesn't want kids, the seventy year old

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Speaker 2: whose whole life was about, you know, being a wife

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Speaker 2: and mother. So this is a different table to say

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Speaker 2: welcome home, y'all too. It is about black women. It's

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Speaker 2: not exclusively four black women. Black women, as you all know,

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Speaker 2: have always been oracles and people have always pulled up

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Speaker 2: a seat to our table to hear what we have

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Speaker 2: to say. We've raised people's kids who don't look like us.

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Speaker 2: So I believe there's magic that happens when we come

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Speaker 2: together to talk about this. So I invite you all

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Speaker 2: to join me. Our first guest is Dion Warwick, which

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about. We have chef Carla Hall, but

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Speaker 2: it's not really celebrity driven, you know, like you all

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Speaker 2: know your grandmothers. When you sit at that table and

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Speaker 2: gain that wisdom, they are celebrities in our minds. I'd

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Speaker 2: love the pictures of you, Angela, with your mom and

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Speaker 2: grandmother and just seeing like the commonality and how you

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Speaker 2: fully appreciate what it means when we all come together

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Speaker 2: and just the magic that exists. So thank you, guys.

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Speaker 1: So we need y'all to go ahead and follow, Go

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Speaker 3: Ahead, highart family.

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Speaker 2: This would be with iHeart, and I just want to

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Speaker 2: give a special shout out because well everybody on this

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Speaker 2: podcast knows personally and loves Will Packers. He he does

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Speaker 2: not just talk to talk, He walks the walk. He

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Speaker 2: member of Alpha Fai, Alpha Attorney Incorporated. I know that

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Speaker 2: Alpha will want me to say that, and the Rattles

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Speaker 2: would want me to revide though that he's a family

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Speaker 2: you guy. So when my my MSNBC show was canceled,

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Speaker 2: Will Packer Productions would love to be in business with

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Speaker 1: I love that, I love that, and I love you

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Speaker 1: lifting up those stories. Because when you are perceived as

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Speaker 1: as as as I don't know, not touchable right by

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Speaker 1: polite society, Yeah, it matters who reaches in first to

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Speaker 1: extend a hand. The other thing that I'm excited about

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Speaker 1: about your your upcoming endeavor is oftentimes we see our

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Speaker 1: mothers sort of just as the mother in the maternal

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Speaker 1: role and what that does in relation to us as

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Speaker 1: their child. But our mothers had lives, Yes, they did things.

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Speaker 1: They were women before, and they still have dreams and

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Speaker 1: ambitions and hopes, and so I'm I'm gonna look forward

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Speaker 1: to sort of the intergenerational engagement that we get to

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Speaker 1: see these women as whole individual people. So y'all make

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Speaker 2: And y'all see Angela. Angela does not know this. I've

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Speaker 2: been volunteering her for everything I'm doing. We're hosting dinners all,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, Angela and I there, Yes, Angela Wall

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Speaker 1: She's your sister. She's make sure.

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Speaker 4: Y'all download this show and you rate and review her

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Speaker 1: Is exactly where I'm going in one second, which is

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Speaker 1: to then say, Angela and Tiff and I had a

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Speaker 2: Sometimes even among us, like we disagree, we have a

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Speaker 2: Welcome home, y'all, And just like family has disagreement, so

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Speaker 1: So Super Tuesday it came and went, and I'm just

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Speaker 3: You know? It's so funny.

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Speaker 4: Yes, in the rundown you said, and Nikki Haley and

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Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders had some consts. Don't know, I know, but

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Speaker 3: I think, Bernie Sander this is running and I'm like, oh, Vermont,

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Speaker 4: Do you want to give it away, I teed you up.

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Speaker 1: All right. So Super Tuesday, of course, whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: and we are now past that point. Uh. She picked

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Speaker 1: as far as I know, to have Republicans in the

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Speaker 2: Well, she also won the territory while Washington DC as well.

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Speaker 2: is on stage endorsing Donald Trump. Republicans have a tendency

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Speaker 6: The time has now come to suspend my campaign. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Tiffanangel, I'm really curious to know whether or

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Speaker 7: This is Martin Luther King on steroids. Okay, Now, I

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Speaker 1: you might actually believe that's the overwhelming majority.

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Speaker 3: Under the Santus curriculum.

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Speaker 1: Of slaves of enslaved people were paid. This is this

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Speaker 1: is what lawmakers and our state are saying.

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Speaker 2: We don't know what that I don't but.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter what he believes. This platform is the proliferation

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Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff, and it's dangerous and it's

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Speaker 1: really why we wanted to spend just a couple of moments,

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Speaker 1: not just on the presidential but y'all, we've got to

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Speaker 1: look closely at who we are electing in our states.

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Speaker 3: Will you get elected when you sit at home?

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Speaker 2: You know? That's that's the thing.

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Speaker 4: It's like, if you don't show up, you are saying

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Speaker 4: to these folks, your vote matters more than mine, your

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Speaker 4: voice matters more than mine. The things that you at,

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Speaker 4: the policies that you push an advocate.

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Speaker 3: For, matter more than me.

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Speaker 4: And then you sit around and say, now, why won't

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Speaker 4: this change this? Why don't full of politics? It is

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Speaker 4: this dangerous cycle we can never get out of. If

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Speaker 4: you say, well, I don't see myself represented, they're pharmacy

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Speaker 4: at home, Well you don't see yourself represented.

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Speaker 3: Therefore, now what?

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Speaker 2: But I just want to say that is true. I

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Speaker 2: wholeheartedly agree with everything, but I also want to acknowledge

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Speaker 2: the humanity of people who do stay at home, because

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Speaker 2: I understand when you are under an oppressive system where

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Speaker 2: you can barely pay your rent or mortgage, where you

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Speaker 2: don't know how to feed your family, and for five

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Speaker 2: election cycles, somebody has been telling you it will change.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna come through and save you. Something is going

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Speaker 2: to happen where the economy will get better for you. Specifically,

468
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Speaker 2: these dilapidated schools are going to start to serve your

469
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Speaker 2: children and you don't see it. I'm not admonishing you.

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Speaker 2: I understand that perspective. And we have to start looking

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Speaker 2: at black people as black people, not as black voters.

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Speaker 2: You're not a commodity in this system. So I would

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Speaker 2: invite people to feel that way, or if you have

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Speaker 2: somebody in your family who feels that way, something to

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Speaker 2: share with them is you don't have to believe in

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Speaker 2: the system. Believe in yourself. And what does this here

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Speaker 2: democracy look like if you are the architect of it,

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Speaker 2: and I think that speaks to your point Andrew about

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Speaker 2: us being lacking in imagination. Sometimes it's they have captured

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Speaker 2: our imagination and said, this is the only construct you

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Speaker 2: can live in. What if we empowered ourselves?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: I just want to say, she come a long way

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Speaker 3: since this morning.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: No, I still feel the same this morning. I well,

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Speaker 2: just for our listeners because they know we're talking about that.

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Speaker 2: We have talked about Angela and I disagree on black

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Speaker 2: people who support Trump. And I'm not saying we shouldn't

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Speaker 2: talk to those people, but I think what I care

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Speaker 2: about it would it would never occur to me to say, Angela,

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Speaker 2: this is what you should care about. You know, like

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Speaker 2: you're saying, no, we have to care about them. Angela

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Speaker 2: cares about this is why the comments honestly frustrate me

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Speaker 2: so much sometimes because Angela I disagree on this, and

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Speaker 2: so when I hear people saying or read people saying

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Speaker 2: things about Angela's position, I'm like, if y'all only knew

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Speaker 2: Angela actually gives a shit about your humanity. She is

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Speaker 2: saying I care about you enough. I want to engage you.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you. I want to bring

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Speaker 2: you along and show you why Trump is a problem.

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Speaker 2: My position is I don't some people don't have to

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Speaker 2: get left behind. I'm not trying to convince the slave

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Speaker 2: you still a slave. If that's what you believe, then

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Speaker 2: you got to stay there. My audience is somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: Angela and I and Andrew we were and we were saying,

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Speaker 2: this should be the podcast. We have a camera here

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Speaker 2: because Angela will say no, But you have to care

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Speaker 2: about those people like you have to. When I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: that is not who I'm talking to. Those aren't people

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Speaker 2: trying to.

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Speaker 3: Focus.

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Speaker 2: But but you speak to every man in a different way,

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Speaker 2: Like Angela is like, impassioned about it, and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: if they get something, great, I hope so. But that's

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Speaker 2: just not who I'm speaking to. But I think this

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Speaker 2: is such an interesting discussion because there are so many

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Speaker 2: out people out there who feel how I feel, or

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Speaker 2: feel how you feel, and I just I think the

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Speaker 2: nuanced discussion. This is why Caple News drives me nuts,

521
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: because this is a more intellectual, nuanced discussion than putting

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Speaker 2: Angela on with somebody who is like this guy Mark.

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Speaker 4: Round that I agree with Yeah, but I do think

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Speaker 4: you know, to the point of this conversation, it felt

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Speaker 4: what you just said felt very human. It felt like

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Speaker 4: I don't I'm maybe I'm not gonna speak to the

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Speaker 4: person who's saying if it I'm voting for Trump, they

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Speaker 4: probably really aren't. Some of them are really gonna stay

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Speaker 4: at home. And you talk to the folks who would

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Speaker 4: stay at home, And but what I'm saying is the

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Speaker 4: person who's saying they're voting for Trump because they saw

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Speaker 4: something different or they heard that talked about enough, or

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Speaker 4: is that same person it's the same person who says

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Speaker 4: they stay at home because they're What they're saying is

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Speaker 4: I just haven't seen where this party's delivered for me,

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Speaker 4: so I'm gonna I gotta try something different, even if

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Speaker 4: that means try something different. Is voting for this nut

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Speaker 4: or staying at home? To me, it's it's no different

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Speaker 4: because they're both a vote to.

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Speaker 3: In democracy.

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Speaker 2: I see the different. I see a big difference between

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Speaker 2: those two factions of people. And you said this. I

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Speaker 2: think you were saying Charlot said this, but I heard

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Speaker 2: it from from you when you said it's not always

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Speaker 2: a battle between Trump and Biden. It's a battle between

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Speaker 2: Biden and the couch. To me, I can talk to

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Speaker 2: the person who feels distant. Well, thank you Charlemagne for

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Speaker 2: for that, because I think that is a legitimate thing

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Speaker 2: to point out. That is my concern. That person. I

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Speaker 2: can talk to somebody like this guy or follower of

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Speaker 2: his who feels like, yes, they're speaking to me. I

552
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Speaker 2: can take all of my frustrations and go to the

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Speaker 2: oppressor side and adopt them because they will save me.

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Speaker 2: They might not save the greater good, but they will

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Speaker 2: be so grateful for my black ass walking across the

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Speaker 2: aisle to them that they will bestow upon me some

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Speaker 2: sort of favor. Those people, I don't. I don't care

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Speaker 2: if I could.

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Speaker 3: Talk to this lieutenant governor either those people you're talking to,

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I think I think there's a different I think that

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Speaker 4: there's someone who says, you know what, I remember feeling

563
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Speaker 4: relief under Trump doesn't mean they didn't get relief under Biden,

564
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Speaker 4: but Biden didn't tell them about Okay, that's fair, right.

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Speaker 4: I think that there's somebody in there who's saying, I'm

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Speaker 4: seeing jobs wane in my community, and everybody's you know,

567
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Speaker 4: so frustrated about it, and Donald Trump said he was

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Speaker 4: gonna close the borders.

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Speaker 3: I'm not supporting his position. I'm just saying what their

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Speaker 3: frustration is. I want.

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Speaker 4: I want a president who's going to make sure that

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Speaker 4: it's America first.

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Speaker 3: Not knowing only Google America.

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Speaker 4: But you know what I'm saying, Like I can understand

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Speaker 4: that I don't hear the people who I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 4: it's not the it's not the And I'm trying not

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Speaker 4: to use terms that are mean or or or put downs,

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Speaker 4: as Miss Irene Lindsay, my second grade teacher would say,

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Speaker 4: but like I don't want to call them a coon.

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Speaker 3: Or mental show, even though something.

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Speaker 4: Even though sometimes I feel that way, but some of

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Speaker 4: the people who are raising this are not them. They're

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Speaker 4: talking about economic relief, they're talking about the migrant crisis.

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Speaker 4: They're talking about Maybe some of them might be pro.

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Speaker 3: Life, I don't know, but like anti choice, I.

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Speaker 4: Agree with that too, But I'm saying they might see

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Speaker 4: I'm church, I'm Jesus all day, So you can't have

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Speaker 4: an abortion, even if I gave myself grace for having

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Speaker 4: one three years ago. I'm saying there's some there's some

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Speaker 4: in between there's some nuance there, and I don't want

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Speaker 4: to throw everyone out at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Everybody a mind.

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Speaker 1: I both have had a really I think it was

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Speaker 1: very important conversation, were we not. You were in it

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Speaker 1: this morning as well. I'm not sure how this is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my position on this is very I think

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Speaker 1: black people are pragmatic voters at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: at the beginning to day period what's up. And I

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Speaker 1: said it before on this podcast that we cannot deconstruct

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Speaker 1: four hundred years of institute more than that, by the way,

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Speaker 1: but certainly the enslavement of our people. But we can't

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Speaker 1: replace all of the systems and structures that have been

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Speaker 1: designed to hold up to lift up white supremacy in

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Speaker 1: this country with one administration, even a two or three

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Speaker 1: or four. We can obviously make strides toward it. And

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Speaker 1: to that end, y'all, I think it takes us Angela.

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Speaker 1: You made the comment that we're hearing the soundbites that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump speaks being paraded back by some of these

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Speaker 1: very people that we're talking about. Because he says it,

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Speaker 1: he takes responding, he takes credit for and that takes

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Speaker 1: us to this next conversation after the break, which is

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Speaker 1: going to be about what we want to hear from

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Speaker 1: vice from the President of the United States, Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: as he comes to the nation and what I think

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Speaker 1: is one of the most important platforms that he gets

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Speaker 1: where he gets to update the country on the true

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Speaker 1: state of the nation. So, like we said, the State

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Speaker 1: of the Union is the opportunity for the president to

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Speaker 1: just lay it out, what have you done, and what

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Speaker 1: do you want to do and why should we basically

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Speaker 1: bring you back? But it is also an opportunity if

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Speaker 1: you slick and sly and clever enough to get some

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Speaker 1: jabs in there if you need to end it was really,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, y'all, nobody better than this. Let's hear

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Speaker 1: this clip and see if it moves you in any way, everybody,

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Speaker 1: I have no more campaigns to run. My only agenda I.

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Speaker 5: Know, because I won both of them.

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Speaker 1: Shade listen. So that was Notorious Obama, not to be

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Speaker 1: confused with Notorious Big And for those of you who

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Speaker 1: are listening as podcasts I guess are designed for that purpose,

631
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Speaker 1: you may not have caught that all. But basically that

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Speaker 1: was Barack Obama saying it the state of the Union.

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Speaker 1: Look I've got no more racist to run, And of

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Speaker 1: course the sly asked Republicans respond with cheers and applause

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Speaker 1: and of oblation that he can't run again, and of

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Speaker 1: course the president, his clever slyway, responds, I know this

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Speaker 1: because I won both my elections, which was again I thought,

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Speaker 1: a cute you know who drop of the mic moment.

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Speaker 1: But but I do think there is something about both

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Speaker 1: in the substance. I won't put it past Joe that.

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Speaker 3: It might not be like this, but maybe he'll do

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Speaker 3: his own way, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think, because we all traffic in this, this is

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Speaker 2: what we do, that we are watching the State of

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Speaker 2: the Union. I would be curious to see the ratings

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Speaker 2: for the past couple of States of the Unions. That

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Speaker 2: I've been better prepared, I would have seen that most

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Speaker 2: Americans are not sitting around their television's watching this. There

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Speaker 2: are thousands of things screaming for our attention all the time.

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Speaker 2: Angelo's is gonna look up those numbers. I'm sure there

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Speaker 2: are thousands of things screaming for our attention all the time.

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Speaker 2: And so really, people will hear about it in those

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Speaker 2: clippable moments. They'll hear about it and you know social

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Speaker 2: media clips, they're just not as engaged. So that's the

655
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Speaker 2: first challenge I think for President Biden to speaking in soundbites.

656
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Speaker 2: He is not President Barack Obama. And because we live

657
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Speaker 2: in such a social media society, we people look for

658
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Speaker 2: that great orgs or people want to feel goosebumps, like

659
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Speaker 2: it's a Baptist minister, and I think it's hard for

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Speaker 2: people to understand you get a president like that maybe

661
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Speaker 2: once in a lifetime. We had you know, John F.

662
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Speaker 2: Kennedy was amazing in that way. Ronald Reagan a Republican,

663
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Speaker 2: but he was the great communicator. He was an actor literally,

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Speaker 2: and so people connect it with him. And you know,

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Speaker 2: we had President Barack Obama. Bill Clinton had some of that.

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Speaker 2: But there was something magical about Barack Obama. I am

667
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Speaker 2: not saying this because you're my co host and you're

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Speaker 2: sitting here. There was something magical about you that would

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Speaker 2: inspire people to like leave, you know, college for a semester.

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Speaker 2: You had that that unspoken thing that you can tell

671
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: when somebody's reaching for it, they're aiming for it, they're

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Speaker 2: trying to perform. Andrew you had it naturally on that

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Speaker 2: campaign trail in this podcast. When we have discussions sometimes

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00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: even when we're not, when we're just in our you know,

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Speaker 2: private discussions, you still have that magical thing. I don't

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Speaker 2: believe President Biden has that. And so the challenge for

677
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Speaker 2: him for America on Thursday is to convince people that

678
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Speaker 2: I'm still with you and I understand you in a

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Speaker 2: clippable way. And right now. The one thing that he

680
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Speaker 2: can can focus on that speaks to everybody, regardless of

681
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Speaker 2: what side of the al you're on, is the economy.

682
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Speaker 2: And I think he has to strike that balance between

683
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Speaker 2: focusing on macroeconomics and microeconomics because people will say, well,

684
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Speaker 2: income equality is shrinking. Well, try selling that to people

685
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Speaker 2: in the hood who don't feel that, who've seen no

686
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 2: such evidence. People will say, oh, the economy is great

687
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: for me, because they're referencing the stock market, which is

688
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: not the economy. Try selling that, you know, Wall Street

689
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Speaker 2: talk on Main Street. It doesn't go so to me.

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Speaker 2: That is his one unifying message that can resonate with

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Speaker 2: a lot of folks, especially the people who you talk

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Speaker 2: about who you know, think, oh, well, Donald Trump signed

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Speaker 2: my stimulus checks, and so if he gets reelected, I'll

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Speaker 2: be getting these kind of checks again and it's just

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Speaker 2: it's just not true. So I'd be curious to see.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say, reallyquick, the Angela found Joe Biden's

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three State of the Union address was watched

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Speaker 2: by twenty seven point three million viewers.

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Speaker 1: That's the largest concentration.

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Speaker 2: That's about eleven million viewers lower than the previous year's figure,

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Speaker 2: and I think we'll continue to see that number, that

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Speaker 2: figure shrinking.

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Speaker 1: I think that's true. But I will tell you, for

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Speaker 1: a president to make a statement, an hour long statement,

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Speaker 1: and have twenty seven million Americans watching is probably the

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Speaker 1: broadest audience a president is going to get over the

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Speaker 1: course of their administration.

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Speaker 4: Clinton gathered the largest audience with nearly seventy million viewers. Yes, well,

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Speaker 4: like just by comparison, look, I.

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Speaker 1: Think about Norman Lear, who was a mentor of mine,

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Speaker 1: and I think that every week he reached into one

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Speaker 1: hundred million households with his shows. I mean so, but

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Speaker 1: TV there's a lot.

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Speaker 3: I like Obama had fifty two point four million.

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Speaker 1: For a lot of reasons, right to go ahead, But

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Speaker 1: I was just Tiffany's comments hit on both style and

717
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Speaker 1: I think substance of it. And I just want to

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Speaker 1: just for a moment say, in addition to the things

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Speaker 1: that I want to hear from this president, I hope

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Speaker 1: that he takes it slow. I hope he acknowledged. I

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Speaker 1: hope he knows as he stands in the well of

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Speaker 1: the US Congress before Democrats and Republicans, that he is

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Speaker 1: the president of the United States of America. Yes, he's

724
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Speaker 1: in the run, he's in the campaign, but right now

725
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: the man is doing the job. And I think if

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Speaker 1: he embodies that, I think he can become a different

727
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Speaker 1: kind of communicator who comes off more declarative, more decisive.

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Speaker 1: Don't rush us through your remarks, mister President, because they

729
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: are important, and we want to hear what you have

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Speaker 1: to say, largely because there are a lot of people

731
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Speaker 1: who are hanging out there trying to see if you've

732
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Speaker 1: got what they need to then turn out and then

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Speaker 1: support you again for this office. And so if i'm him,

734
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Speaker 1: I want to hear a moral statement about Israel and

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Speaker 1: about the West Bank and Palestinians. I want to moral,

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00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: declarative argument. Your policy has been falling flat for most

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00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: people because they don't see nothing y'all who acting by it.

738
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Speaker 1: But this generation of young voters. They see right and wrong,

739
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Speaker 1: and if you can't make the case and make it clearly,

740
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Speaker 1: you're going to have a problem. But I think we've

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00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: got to be reminded as a country why we are

742
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Speaker 1: involved in places all around the world when people are saying, well,

743
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: why aren't you involved like that right here at home?

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Speaker 1: Make us understand why it is it matters for us

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Speaker 1: to be on the front lines where we are. And

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Speaker 1: then the other thing I really need to hear from

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Speaker 1: I think from this president during these remarks is I

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Speaker 1: hope he cast a vision for where he wants to

749
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Speaker 1: take us Nobody. Unfortunately, the economic numbers are not falling

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Speaker 1: the way they want to hear them. So then tell

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Speaker 1: me about if I'm the everyday, average working American. Walk

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Speaker 1: me through that picture, Paint that picture, Grab me by

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Speaker 1: the hand, and walk me down the street so I

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Speaker 1: can look to the left at that new house, and

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Speaker 1: to the right at that new business, and down the

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Speaker 1: road to a changing landscape in my neighborhood. Walk me

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Speaker 1: down that road so I can I can emotionally connect

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Speaker 1: with you around the public policy you want to pursue.

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Speaker 1: Except that policy is coming right up my block, and

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Speaker 1: I think they've failed in so many ways to put

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Speaker 1: the people at the center of their outreach at the

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Speaker 1: White House through this administration. And again, I think it's

763
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Speaker 1: because the President is saying, I'm doing the hard work

764
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Speaker 1: every single day. Why can't they see it? And unfortunately

765
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Speaker 1: we can't see it if you don't say.

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Speaker 2: It every community validators.

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Speaker 4: I want to get into this because this comes up

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Speaker 4: a lot, and that is what is the Biden administration's

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Speaker 4: agenda for black people. Every year during Black History Month,

770
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Speaker 4: they release another update on their accomplishments for the Black community.

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Speaker 4: I think sometimes those accomplishments feel not like they're on

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Speaker 4: the nose. And I mean what I mean by that is,

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Speaker 4: for example, they'll say the number of black businesses that

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Speaker 4: were that were started, the number the entrepreneurship in the

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Speaker 4: black community significantly increased under the Biden administration. Well, unless

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Speaker 4: y'all walked up to our door with legal zoom, right, like,

777
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Speaker 4: you can't really take credit for that. You can say

778
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Speaker 4: that you've you know, lessened regulations and made it easier

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Speaker 4: to make it happen, or even most recently, they've announced

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Speaker 4: that they're gonna restrict.

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Speaker 3: Credit card late fees to eight dollars.

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Speaker 4: Right, those kinds of things are indirectly helpful to black people,

783
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Speaker 4: but that's not just for black people. So what happens

784
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Speaker 4: is they end up attributing black accomplishment to successes that

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Speaker 4: benefit the whole of the country.

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Speaker 3: And I appreciate that. I remember when Barack Obama.

787
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Speaker 4: Would say, you know, I'm not the president for Black

788
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Speaker 4: America and president of the United States of America. I

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Speaker 4: understand this strategy, but I still think when someone a

790
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Speaker 4: group of people resurrect your campaign from the dead, you

791
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Speaker 4: owe them some things.

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Speaker 3: You owe them several things.

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Speaker 4: And I do think it is smart for black people

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Speaker 4: to want to see progress from this administration. They also

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Speaker 4: we also can't forget how civix works. We also can't

796
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Speaker 4: forget that the legislative branch has something to do. One

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Speaker 4: of my favorite moments in a Barack Obama State of

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Speaker 4: the dress, a State of the Union address was him

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Speaker 4: saying like he was ready with the pap with the pen.

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Speaker 4: You bring the paper to his desk. He was ready

801
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Speaker 4: with the pen, and it was I just remixed that

802
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Speaker 4: like I do Bible verses. But you understand the point.

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Speaker 4: If they bring him a bill he can sign he's

804
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Speaker 4: going to sign it into law. And so the things,

805
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Speaker 4: the very things that black folks need the most, require

806
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Speaker 4: legislative action. It does not preclude him from acting lator,

807
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 4: acting in executive powers, signing executive actions, signing.

808
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: Executive orders to ensure our overall protection.

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Speaker 4: He can absolutely hit on some of these things in

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Speaker 4: the State of the Union address, and I'm sure he will.

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Speaker 4: One of the things he likes to go to a

812
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Speaker 4: lot is how many black judges, black women judges in particular,

813
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Speaker 4: he's appointed. I think that's fantastic. We need a little

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Speaker 4: bit more than that. People are still crying out for relief.

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Speaker 4: You made a great point around the economy. Oh my god,

816
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Speaker 4: people are not filling that impact with inflation up like,

817
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Speaker 4: they're not feeling that impact. So we have to make

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Speaker 4: sure that people feel it, and that might mean person

819
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Speaker 4: by person. I think we talked about this on a

820
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Speaker 4: podcast recently too, around the diabetes piece. If it doesn't

821
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Speaker 4: impact us directly, don't hit us with no indirect stuff.

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Speaker 4: That's not gonna work right now. It needs to be

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Speaker 4: on the nose accomplishments for black folks.

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Speaker 5: That's real.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's also the issue, you know Isela, You've made

826
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Speaker 2: this point. It is our right to make demands of

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Speaker 2: this party, and I just don't see that with other

828
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Speaker 2: constituency groups, Like you wouldn't feel the need to say, well,

829
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Speaker 2: I'm not the president for all people who want gun

830
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Speaker 2: control or for just people wh want gun control. I'm

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Speaker 2: the president for everybody. Like we don't need to make

832
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Speaker 2: those distinctions. You know, it is a constant in politics

833
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: where it's a whisper to black folks, you know, like, hey,

834
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Speaker 2: after I get elected, i'ma look y'all up. But everybody

835
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Speaker 2: else on the stump, you are loud and proud about

836
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Speaker 2: what you're going to do for them. And I think

837
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Speaker 2: it impacts how we look at it, Like people get

838
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Speaker 2: very uncomfortable at some of the things we say here,

839
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Speaker 2: some of the things that we said on air, and

840
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Speaker 2: it's not it's not out of like we don't have

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Speaker 2: the right. It's really out of fear. Don't make the

842
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Speaker 2: white folks too uncomfortable, or we won't be able to

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Speaker 2: have this. And we have to stop that way of thinking.

844
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Speaker 2: We are looking at a future, a near future that

845
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Speaker 2: we can all see, envision and touch. By twenty forty,

846
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Speaker 2: there will be no racial majority in this country. And

847
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Speaker 2: so the power structure will still mostly rest with a

848
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Speaker 2: lot of white Americans. As we're disrupting that power, it's

849
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Speaker 2: going to be uncomfortable for some people. So I would

850
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Speaker 2: invite our community and every community who has some curiosity

851
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Speaker 2: about your fellow countrymen, get comfortable with being uncomfortable, because

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Speaker 2: the power structure is changing. Power seeds nothing without demand.

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Speaker 2: It's up to us to make that demand.

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Speaker 1: You're right about it. And I just want to say

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Speaker 1: that there are black people in positions of power all

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Speaker 1: around this country, from mayor's school boards, councils, state legislatures,

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Speaker 1: governor a governor, and aspirants alike. And don't get confused

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Speaker 1: when you start seeing some of us react in ways

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Speaker 1: that start to reflect some of the patriarchy that we

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Speaker 1: see exhibited by frankly by and enlarged by white men

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Speaker 1: in greater society, and white women as well. And black

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Speaker 1: folks have been less comfortable with being in positions of

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Speaker 1: power because in so many ways it's still new. But

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Speaker 1: the statement that power seeds nothing doesn't say just white

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Speaker 1: power seeds nothing. It says power seeds nothing. And so

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Speaker 1: I think about this one I hear the immigration debate,

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Speaker 1: I think about this when I hear some of the

868
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: critiques that we make of other professional blacks. You know,

869
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: we got to be above bar and better than everybody

870
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: to do just this, that and a third. And then

871
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: this judgmental things come comes down and you start to

872
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: act in ways that resemble the people who are pressed you.

873
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: And I want to call it to our consciousness, because

874
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: I know we've got, you know, a blessed audience of

875
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: people who are experiencing probably various levels of success in

876
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: their own lives. To just be cognizant that when we

877
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 1: start to look out here and start to react in ways,

878
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: especially around the changing demographic in this country, and ways

879
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: that start to resemble the way in which the oppressed

880
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: have acted toward us all of this time, to just

881
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: check yourself and understand that you're hopefully that your commitment,

882
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: that your reason for doing and for being is far

883
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: outside of having to step on somebody else's neck back,

884
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: kill them, destroy them, set them up for failure as

885
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: the only way in which you were able to survive.

886
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: That isn't the truth, That has never been our truth.

887
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: And so I just hope that folks recommit themselves to

888
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: a deeper understanding of what it means when you get

889
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: in the position and the seat of control. How do

890
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: you conduct yourself? Do you start saying every brown person

891
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: who's on a work site is there illegally because you

892
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: don't see any people who are black anymore? Just check it.

893
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

894
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: I actually want to get into a story that we

895
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: teased last week about Marilyn Moseby. So let's go to

896
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: a quick break and then I want to pick that up.

897
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 2: On the other side. You brought up a really good

898
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: point about what will you do when you're in power

899
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: and somebody who was in power and held the line

900
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: for black folks is now in the line of fire.

901
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: And I've talked about this a little bit last week,

902
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: and I want to talk about it this week. Marilyn Moseby,

903
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,479
Speaker 2: she is the former her District Attorney for the City

904
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: of Baltimore. And for our younger viewers or people who

905
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: may have forgotten, I just want to remind you all

906
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: how we came to know Marilyn Moseby. This was the

907
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: Freddie Gray case in the City of Baltimore. You all

908
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 2: remember Freddy Gray was arrested and taken for a death

909
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: ride essentially, yes, absolutely, and he later died from injuries

910
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: sustained there, and Marilyn Moseby charged those officers. And I

911
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: just want to remind our viewers of what that moment

912
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: meant to us when she stood on the steps of Baltimore.

913
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: So let's listen to her and then we'll talk about

914
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: it on the other side.

915
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 9: The findings of our comprehensive, thorough an independent investigation, coupled

916
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 9: with the medical examiner's determination that mister Grey's death was

917
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 9: a homicide, which we received today, has led us to

918
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 9: believe that we have probable cause to file criminal target

919
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 9: to the youth of this city, I will see justice

920
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 9: on your behalf. This is a moment, this is your moment.

921
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 9: Let's ensure that we have peaceful and productive rallies that

922
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 9: will develop structural and systemic changes for generations to come.

923
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 9: You're at the forefront of this cause, and as young people,

924
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 9: our time is now.

925
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: So I thought it was so important to play that

926
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: because it was such a moment, and I want to

927
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: remind people that the role of a DA because Vice

928
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: President Kamala Harris also was, you know, essentially attacked on

929
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,479
Speaker 2: the campaign trail because people feel like you're a cop.

930
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: You put people away. Let me explain something. The role

931
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: of a DA is to decide who to charge, what

932
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: charges to bring. That is important because they also decide

933
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: who not to charge and what charges not to So

934
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: you need people who look like us in those positions.

935
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: It was grossly unreported on. When the media started paying

936
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: more attention to those types of things and happening in

937
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: different bureaucracies and different municipalities, we saw a sweep of

938
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: more black people being elected in those positions. These are

939
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: elected positions. So this is why, to Andrew's point, those

940
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: down ballot races matter just as much. Maryland was elected

941
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: to that position. She pissed off a lot of people.

942
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: The police unions were very upset with her after that happened,

943
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: and vowed vengeance and played the long game. And so Angela,

944
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: I know this is something that you have been closely monitoring.

945
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: I know you talked to some sources on the ground.

946
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: So I'd love to hear because i know that she's

947
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: been charged with things and convicted at this point, but

948
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: I'm not really clear on all the charges and what

949
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: exactly she did.

950
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to just double down a little bit

951
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 4: in what you were just saying about Maryland's role.

952
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: Marylynd was a force.

953
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 4: To be reckoned with as the Baltimore City State's Attorney.

954
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 4: And the thing was, I was assuming this was all

955
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: because of Freddy Gray, but it actually is much deeper

956
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 4: than that. Freddy Gray was twenty fifteen. In twenty sixteen,

957
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 4: the Department of Justice released a report on Baltimore. Baltimore

958
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 4: Police departments patterns and practices of just like so many violations.

959
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I can go through them.

960
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: There's ale c cent degree.

961
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: There's a laundry list. Yes, they were under consent degree.

962
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: After explain what.

963
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: Consent simply stated, when the Justice Department comes in and

964
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: they have recognized or observed a consistent pattern of misconduct,

965
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: the Justice Department then has the right to step into

966
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: that agency to uncover whatever it needs to uncover, and

967
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: then to basically put them on a diet or an

968
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: action plan would be a better description.

969
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 3: Probation.

970
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: Probation but also with a set of actions, steps that

971
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: you were supposed to take to cure the harm.

972
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: It's important for listeners to understand that because a lot

973
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: of time on cable news platforms they'll say these things

974
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: like DJ and content degree. People don't know, so I

975
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: think it's far.

976
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: In fact, it's important underscore that most of the consent

977
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: degrees that have come down over the history of DOJ

978
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: have been to right wrongs that have mostly been perpetuated

979
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: against black folks all across the country.

980
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 4: So, in addition to the Freddy Gray case, the consent decree,

981
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 4: because you all know that she did charge six officers

982
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 4: in the Freddy Gray case and was not successful.

983
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 2: But after that, none of the officers were convicted, correct, not.

984
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 3: That I remember, Yeah, not that I remember.

985
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 4: So after that, Maryland went on to successfully prosecute thirty

986
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: three police officers on various convictions. There was a gun

987
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 4: Trace Task Force in twenty seventeen where eight officers were

988
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 4: charged and convicted by twenty eighteen relating to stealing money

989
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 4: stealing like all types of corruption. She was successful in that.

990
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 4: In addition to that, she worked with a delegate in

991
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 4: Maryland by the name of Eric Barron, who you will

992
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 4: hear more about later.

993
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: I'll go back to that.

994
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 4: But she also was She told people when she came

995
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 4: into office that she was not going to prosecute any

996
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 4: weed convictions.

997
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 3: Folks were upset about that.

998
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 2: A lot of low level offenses she declined to prosecute yes.

999
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: And specifically around weed.

1000
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 4: She was like, yeah, sorry, marijuana, cannabis convintion. She was

1001
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 4: not going to do that. She worked on a bill

1002
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 4: with a former state Delegate, Eric Barron, and that bill

1003
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 4: was a vacature statute in twenty nineteen, and she and

1004
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 4: from that also worked to remove the convictions of eight

1005
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,959
Speaker 4: hundred of eight hundred plus cases from the thirty three

1006
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 4: or sorry, from the eight officers that were associated with

1007
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 4: the Gun Trace Task Force.

1008
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: What is the old statue?

1009
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: She over a vacated previous previous guilty verdicts or if

1010
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: there were negotiations between and somebody you know, cop to

1011
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: being having done what you said I did, whether they

1012
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 1: did it or not sentence, So she vacated those previous orders.

1013
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 5: Got it.

1014
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 4: Then, in addition to that, helped to exonerate thirteen innocent

1015
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 4: black men, and then worked through her Crime Control and

1016
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 4: Prevention Division to develop and foster relationships that are healthy

1017
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 4: relationships with the justice system with seven thousand young people.

1018
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: Wow.

1019
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 4: When she was voted out of office in twenty twenty two,

1020
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 4: her opponent basically has undone all of those reforms. They

1021
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 4: were mostly funded by Sinclair I'm broadcasting, and.

1022
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 2: So Sinclair Broadcasting is a conservative outlet. What do you

1023
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 2: mean they were funded.

1024
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: Which runs probably any.

1025
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: Local wherever you live in your neighborhood. But you're saying

1026
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: they funded this guy's campaign against Yeah. Can I just

1027
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: say one thing really quickly, in full disclosure, I worked

1028
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: with Nick Mosby, Maryland's either soon to be x husband

1029
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 2: or ex husband on a campaign, so I know a

1030
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: little bit about Baltimore. It has the highest concentration of

1031
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: formally incarcerated individuals. Did at the time that number may

1032
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: have shifted. So high is this number that on campaigns

1033
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: when people run for mayor, the formerly incarcerated are organized

1034
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: enough that they endorse candidates, they hold candidate forums, and

1035
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 2: they It is impressive to see. And it's mostly black men,

1036
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: probably ninety eight percent Black men, who have you know,

1037
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: served their time, whether it was deserved or not, but

1038
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: as we all know, it's a very unforgiving criminal justice

1039
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: system and have come out and use their political power

1040
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: and they I know Marilyn Mosby and Nick would both

1041
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: engage them, so her work seems stellar.

1042
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, I'm glad that you said that.

1043
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 4: I think the thing to know now is fast forward

1044
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: past all of that success, there's little black kids that

1045
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 4: now are like, oh, I actually can be a prosecutor.

1046
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 3: I see myself reflected in this.

1047
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 4: My family members who I thought would normally be on

1048
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 4: the other end of what I've done, would actually be

1049
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 4: helped by me being in office. Maryland has been severely

1050
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 4: punished so since then, Maryland has faced several counts of

1051
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 4: perjury of making false mortgage applications. She was tried in

1052
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 4: November of twenty twenty three for and I'm sorry, convicted

1053
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 4: in November twenty twenty three of two counts of perjury.

1054
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 3: The charges were related.

1055
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 4: To withdrawing of funds from the City of Baltimore's deferred

1056
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 4: compensation plan. That's as if if you had a four

1057
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 4: oh one K, if you're in corporate on the hill,

1058
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 4: we had thrift savings plan.

1059
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 3: This is her money, her money that she's like a

1060
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 3: retirement plan of her sorrow and k.

1061
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: So even better than a retirement plan. A deferred compensation

1062
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: plan is like you're supposed to get thirty more thousand

1063
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: dollars a year in your salary, except you defer that

1064
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: thirty thousand into a retirement plan or into a savings account.

1065
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: That acts like a retirement plan which you can borrow

1066
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: from at any point in time, and it accrues interests,

1067
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: but the interest is paid back to yourself. This is

1068
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: she that money money.

1069
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 4: Wow, And so she claimed adverse financial consequences during the

1070
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 4: COVID pandemic.

1071
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 3: Let's just pause right there.

1072
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 4: Then, the two withdrawals that she took out, I want

1073
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 4: to make sure I hit these amounts. This is very important.

1074
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 4: Forty thousand dollars and fifty thousand dollars. So that's for

1075
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 4: a total of ninety thousand dollars. The deferred compensation plan

1076
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 4: is a four point fifty seven B and it's a

1077
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 4: COVID related distribution request.

1078
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: The executive director of this deferred.

1079
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 4: Compensation plan, his name is David Randall, testified on the

1080
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 4: stand that a hardship, it's not a hardship, it's an

1081
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 4: adverse financial consequence. And an adverse financial consequence could be

1082
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 4: fifty dollars. If you were hit by fifty dollars, you

1083
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 4: can you would qualify for being able to withdraw this money.

1084
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 4: The Department of Justice argued that she didn't experience financial hardship,

1085
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 4: which is an objective standard. It's the subjective the subjective

1086
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Speaker 4: standard is an adverse financial consequence, So they were arguing

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Speaker 4: two different.

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Speaker 1: STANDARDSLA just just to say further about the objectiveness of it.

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Speaker 1: The reason why it is further objective is because you

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00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: can't go to a computer and put it in a

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00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: reason and then it put out an approval or denial.

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00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: An individual must hear a reason and that individual then

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00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: decides whether or not you meet it or you don't.

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00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: So there are guidelines, but it's almost it is almost

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Speaker 1: one subjective.

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Speaker 3: And she was able to withdraw.

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Speaker 4: And the point is a proof of it, right, DJ

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Speaker 4: the Department of Justice said she didn't experience financial hardship

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00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 4: again or arguing that objective standard, because she received her

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Speaker 4: full salary.

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Speaker 3: Now here's where I want to pause.

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Speaker 4: As black people, how many of us know she makes

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Speaker 4: on the north another side of two undred and fifty

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00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 4: thousand dollars a year as a prosecutor.

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Speaker 3: She's the breadwinner for her family.

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Speaker 2: Her husband is in a city council, pays very.

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Speaker 1: Little, but forget about him. Her mama cousin every knows.

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Speaker 4: Children so young, if anyone went through the pandemic, remember

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00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 4: like we have to put ourselves there. We don't know

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00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 4: when this thing is going to end. We don't know

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00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 4: how long we're carrying the people in our family. That

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00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 4: is an adverse financial consequence. You don't get to decide

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00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 4: that for her. So this is all of what's what's

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00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 4: at play in this November trial. They said there's no

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00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 4: definition for what an adverse financial consequences consequence is. That

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00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 4: is why seven hundred and thirty nine people in the

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00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 4: City of Baltimore who have on the same deferred conversation

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00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 4: plan withdrew money from that.

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Speaker 3: Three of them were.

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Speaker 4: In the same agency as Marilyn Moseby. But she's the one.

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00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: How manywhere prosecuted her charge?

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Speaker 5: I do?

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Speaker 4: I think Marylynd is the only one because they're making

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Speaker 4: an example out of her.

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Speaker 3: So this is very clear.

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Speaker 4: Marilyn at this point, her marriage is on the rocks.

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Speaker 4: She is thinking about home ownership and the fact that

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00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 4: she does not own a home because her name is

1129
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 4: not on the family home, and she's trying to figure

1130
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 4: out how to get on her feet with her two girls.

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00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 3: Henselos two withdraws because they're going to be used. She

1132
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 3: hopes to buy a home for them. Now, the potential

1133
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: potential sentence for the two perjury counts she was convicted

1134
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Speaker 3: on is three years. I'm sorry, five years. Now, let's

1135
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Speaker 3: go to February twenty twenty four, because that's not it.

1136
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 3: They bifurcated the trials. They bifurcated the charges. So she's

1137
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 3: tried on this first set of issues. Now there's the

1138
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 3: mortgage application issue.

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Speaker 2: So right now it's five years for the well you

1140
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: just explained us. She's facing five years.

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Speaker 4: Yes, she has not been sentenced yet from the November

1142
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 4: case because they were waiting to sentence her altogether after

1143
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 4: the February case. So in February, just last month, she

1144
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 4: was facing two counts and making false mortgage applications. She

1145
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 4: was found guilty and convicted for one of those counts.

1146
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 4: They say that she made seven missrepresentations in her mortgage application,

1147
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 4: including not sharing that there was a delinquent tax lien.

1148
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 4: Nick has already testified. Nick Boseby's already testified in court

1149
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 4: that he lied to her about clearing that lien, so

1150
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 4: the mortgage application was answered to the best of her knowledge.

1151
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 4: They said that she was not supposed to use the

1152
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 4: property as a rental property. Put a pin in that.

1153
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 4: We'll get back to that later, that she lied about

1154
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 4: a gift that she received from Nick in the amount

1155
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,959
Speaker 4: of five thousand dollars, and that she wasn't honest about

1156
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 4: a revolving account. They thought the tax line should go

1157
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 4: on the revolving account. It's a whole mess. This is

1158
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 4: a mortgage application. I think those of us who have

1159
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 4: ever owned a home, there are a lot of things

1160
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 4: that you're doing to just try to get to the

1161
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 4: finish line in this process. And she was told by

1162
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Speaker 4: her mortgage broker. Mortgage broker testifies to this that he

1163
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 4: told her that she could not withdraw the five thousand

1164
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 4: dollars from the shared account she has with her child.

1165
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 3: She put her daughter on her checking account.

1166
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Speaker 4: You cannot pay for the five thousand dollars earnest money

1167
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 4: with a miner's account.

1168
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 3: So they said, do you have a joint account.

1169
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 4: She said yes. He said, well, can you get the

1170
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 4: money from your husband? She says, sure, I'll ask him

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01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 4: for it, but she was not sure if he had

1172
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 4: it based on the tax ling situation. She asked him

1173
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 4: for the money, not sure that he has it. Because

1174
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 4: black women are always going to fill in the gap.

1175
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 4: She deposits the money and he can give it back

1176
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 4: to her, but to a different account. They decided that

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Speaker 4: this is some type of money launder and enterprise, right,

1178
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 4: and then like all, it's this craziness.

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01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 3: Anyway, the jury.

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Speaker 4: Acquitted her on the Kissame property but convicted on the

1181
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 4: long Boat Key property.

1182
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Speaker 3: Both of them are Florida condos.

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Speaker 4: That issue is mostly is this five thousand dollars gift

1184
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 4: from her husband and the prosecution is claiming that it

1185
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 4: was this whole money laundering operation. The thing that stresses

1186
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 4: me out about this is just from this piece alone.

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Speaker 4: Maryland is facing thirty years no five.

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Speaker 2: So is this in addition to so she get thirty

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Speaker 2: five years?

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01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, she could.

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Speaker 2: This is a mother, This is a mother. But even

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01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 2: beyond that.

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Speaker 4: This is I know we said we're not cussing that

1194
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 4: much on this podcast, but this is bullshit. And to

1195
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 4: tap into the bullshit, Scott Bolden, who was her attorney

1196
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 4: on the first case, went on the court steps and said,

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Speaker 4: this is bullshit. God threatened to be held in criminal contempt.

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Speaker 1: Because you can't speak ill the court.

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Speaker 3: Wow. But he was on the court set outside.

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Speaker 2: Making I got that's crazy, that's what I want to hear.

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Speaker 1: You cannot insult the court.

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Speaker 3: And this is I said, I wasn't gonna say this.

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01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell y'all the delegate, the former delegate who

1204
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 4: she worked on the legislation with the the Eric the

1205
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,439
Speaker 4: vacator statue is the prosecutor in the case.

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 3: Wow.

1207
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 2: Now, okay, let me ask this is the prosecutor in

1208
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 2: this case and did he decide to do this or

1209
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: was he instructed to do this?

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Speaker 4: Well, you can always say no, you can quit, you can.

1211
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 4: But here's my other thing. Eric Barron is a black man,

1212
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 4: a US attorney who was appointed by this administration, this

1213
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 4: judge who was threatening to hold Scott in criminal contempt

1214
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 4: of the court, which then put him in conflict to

1215
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 4: not be able to represent Maryland in the second trial.

1216
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 4: She then had to get a public defender in the

1217
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 4: second trial, the judge to threaten to hold him in

1218
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 4: the criminal content of the court, black woman appointed by

1219
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 4: Joe Biden as well.

1220
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Speaker 1: So again, this is I know, a huge night.

1221
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 4: Federal charges, federal charges, facing thirty five years in prison

1222
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 4: for what like.

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01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: Can you just name check the identity the race of

1224
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: these individuals who were culprits in this all. I made

1225
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: the point earlier route power and I said it was

1226
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: in many ways without regard to race. I know you're

1227
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: not done, but I want to pull back just for

1228
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: a second, because first of all, to learn of the

1229
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: particulars is to just grow more frustrated by the whole thing.

1230
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: Because I think the greatest offense occurred when you pull

1231
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: back to their ever being charges in the first place.

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01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 1: I would like to know how many times the US

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01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: attorney in this district has bought similar like charges to

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01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: any other.

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01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: Person correct in the city.

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01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: Because this, this, this, this gets at the heart of

1237
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: selective prosecution. Selective prosecution, which is a defined term in

1238
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. The United States Department of Justice

1239
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: understands what it means to select because of who the

1240
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: person is, to then decide to go after them for

1241
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: reasons or causes that you have never pursued anyone else,

1242
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: never pursued anyone else.

1243
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 3: It is targeted and to make an example out of her.

1244
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 4: And it's not just for anybody who becomes a prosecutor

1245
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 4: in Baltimore.

1246
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 3: It is for black prosecutors.

1247
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: Across the state. Plainly, what the example is. The example

1248
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: is this woman had the unmitigated goal to turn a

1249
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: system that has survived generations, that has survived ancestors that

1250
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: has survived, and is that it is a critical part

1251
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: of upholding the status quo as they know it. If

1252
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: police officers in Baltimore now know that they can be

1253
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: held accountable for their illegal activity while under the cover

1254
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: of the badge, y'all, are you kidding me? She has

1255
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: I cannot overstate on this podcast how critical her disruption

1256
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: has been. I would say that Marilyn Moseby was at

1257
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: the tip of the spear of prosecutors around this country

1258
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: deciding that it was okay to then pursue prosecutions law

1259
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: enforcement officers. So her example is not just about being

1260
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Her example is influence is it is larger

1261
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: than any of us will ever be able to put work.

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01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 2: I have a question for you, if I may this woman,

1263
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: well both of you, really, we cannot let she held

1264
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 2: the line for us as a community, and she faced

1265
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 2: and squared off against the system. You two have squared

1266
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 2: off against the federal government and lived to tell about it,

1267
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 2: which is not a very common thing. You are an attorney.

1268
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 2: We cannot let this happen. She held the line for us,

1269
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: when the whole the line for her. What can we

1270
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 2: do now? To make sure that she does not see

1271
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 2: one day of jail time. I'm not talking about to

1272
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 2: reduce sentence. This mother of two, who survived a hard

1273
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 2: upcoming upbringing in Boston, Massachusetts, went to Tuskegee, I believe

1274
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 2: is the word. She and Nick met in Alabama.

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01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: She is the daughter and the great granddaughter of law

1276
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Speaker 1: enforcement office.

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01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, she comes from law enforcement. We cannot let

1278
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 2: this happen to her. What would have been helpful to

1279
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: you when you were going through this? And Angela's an attorney, like,

1280
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 2: what can the people listening do?

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01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: So where we are, I mean, I'll just say what

1282
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: would have been helpful, obviously would have been the resources

1283
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: to bring a fight that matched the enemy that your opposition. Right.

1284
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: I needed the strength both legally but also financially to

1285
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: wage that war. There are people sitting incarcerated today, far

1286
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: too many who didn't necessarily commit the crimes that they

1287
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: were accused of, but they did not have the resources,

1288
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: the wherewithal, or the stomach to potentially risk being away

1289
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: from their children and their family a day longer than

1290
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: was necessary. Right, And so they say, I'll cop to

1291
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: this because ninety nine point nine percent of cases that

1292
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice brings either they settle or they

1293
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: win in court. I'm part of what is known as

1294
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: the three percenters, three percent who fight back and then

1295
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: beat they ass and beat they ass because they're liars.

1296
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: And I don't I'm not casting all expersions, but you

1297
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: do understand how closely hand in glove law enforcement and

1298
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: prosecutors officers are. It is prosecuted don't bring cases without

1299
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: the support and the wherewithal of law enforcement. Law enforcement

1300
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: doesn't work these cases up to then go present it

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01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 1: to the attorney without the support of the attorney. So

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Speaker 1: what I don't know if she's got a fund of

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Speaker 1: a setup, a legal defense fund. But it sounds to

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Speaker 1: me like there are mini grounds for appeal, but also

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Speaker 1: that there are political grounds under which this department should

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Speaker 1: not have been and is not within its rights. If

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Speaker 1: we were to pay attention to the letter of the

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Speaker 1: law under this target prosecution to have been bought charges

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Speaker 1: in the first place, they wouldn't sneeze that five thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars at a.

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Speaker 3: Party jan under Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: And the first thing that I would say is, Merrit Garland,

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Speaker 4: what are you going to do to separate yourself from

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Speaker 4: a different Department of Justice, the break administration. But I'm

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Speaker 4: saying it's time for somebody to ask them. I think

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Speaker 4: that Merrick Garland needs to resign.

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Speaker 7: He is.

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Speaker 3: Really like culpable in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 4: And this whole targeting of black elected officials that has

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Speaker 4: been it doesn't matter who's in office, really, they will

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Speaker 4: just target black elected officials. And I think that is

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Speaker 4: where we get into the nuance of partisanship and when

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Speaker 4: we don't see ourselves reflected in something that we voted for.

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Speaker 3: We stood up for you, we protected you.

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Speaker 4: You were going to be a Supreme Court justice, firus

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Speaker 4: I went on air defending your ass when I did

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Speaker 4: not believe in your ability to really protect our interests

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Speaker 4: on the Supreme Court. And then this is how you

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Speaker 4: repay us.

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Speaker 3: But he's not going to resign. So if I want

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Speaker 3: him to resign.

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Speaker 2: We can. But I'm saying realistically and tangible, I don't

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Speaker 2: think what can we do Maryland right now?

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Speaker 4: But I'm just just a part of it, because what

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Speaker 4: I'm getting at is he is listening to this man

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Speaker 4: named Leo Wise.

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Speaker 3: Why does this matter?

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Speaker 4: Leo Wise was the chief counsel for the Office of

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Speaker 4: Congressional ethics. When it was stood up. Nancy Pelosi came

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Speaker 4: in saying, we're gonna be tough on ethics. So they

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01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 4: stood up this whole office that targeted CBC members.

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Speaker 3: Congressman Waters was subject to.

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Speaker 4: An ethics investigation by this same man. What does Leo

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Speaker 4: Wise have to do with Maryland? He went to dj

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01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 4: He was the one that worked at Maryland's case. This

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01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 4: is now under Donald Trump and they.

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Speaker 3: Still kept this going.

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Speaker 2: Now it's under bid it.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. It started under Donald Trump, though.

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Speaker 1: In the plot to to was under Barack Obama. So

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Speaker 1: let me just say this that these institutions exist.

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Speaker 4: So my point is that until someone is held to

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01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 4: account for how that system is operating, it is going

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Speaker 4: to continue.

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01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 3: Like they need to clean house.

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Speaker 4: It shouldn't just be Mery Garland, it should be that

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Speaker 4: whole department that there needs to be an Office of

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01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 4: inspector general report on what is happening in there and

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Speaker 4: the targeting of elected officials. How dare you prosecute someone

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Speaker 4: for five thousand goddamn dollars when Donald Trump has ninety

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Speaker 4: one indictments?

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 4: And y'all are twiddling your thumbs, trying to figure out

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Speaker 4: what to do with him, how to go at him.

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Speaker 4: And this is what you're like, the government, Wait a minute,

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Speaker 4: the resources that are being spent, the taxpayer dollars that

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Speaker 4: are being.

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Speaker 3: Spent on this trial.

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Speaker 4: This is millions of dollars for five thousand goddamn dollars.

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Speaker 2: So the thing is, if I'm Maryland, I'm like, what

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Speaker 2: can we do? I know that, But what I'm saying

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Speaker 2: is you have to Can we ask the administration for

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01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 2: a party?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Of course, And we've been saying we started that last week,

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Speaker 4: like of course we go to the pardon. But this

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Speaker 4: I think Marylyn would not just want us to protect

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Speaker 4: just Maryland.

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Speaker 3: This office has to be dealt with. They have to

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01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 3: be held to account. She should.

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Speaker 1: I So, first of all, if and I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: drawing us back to this, because if you're listening and

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01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: you're wondering, watch what I care about this thing? Why

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01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: does this matter? Why do we have to listen to

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01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: that level of detail? If you, if you are sincere folks,

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01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: and your desire, your need for justice and the way

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Speaker 1: it is administered in this country, for Maryland, for me,

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Speaker 1: for names that we cannot call this moment. But we

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01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: can tell you without a shadow of the doubt that

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Speaker 1: somebody else is being raked over the colds ten times

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Speaker 1: over by this same institution that has been built, stood

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01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 1: up and is largely operating to silence what are political enemies?

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01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:58,839
Speaker 1: And Marylynd matters.

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Speaker 4: It's political enemy advocates for black just.

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Speaker 1: Well Angela who But then then ask ourselves who doesn't

1396
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: want that that thing happening? So before her, there weren't

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Speaker 1: prosecutors who were ever viewed as being separate from law enforcement.

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: Prosecutors were not seeing as separate from that grand juries?

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Speaker 1: Can you believe that grand juries in this country, which

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Speaker 1: is a which we inherited from Great Britain when they

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01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: were colonizing the world, every place they colonized got rid

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01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: of the grand jury process except two places, the United

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Speaker 1: States being one of them. And then we decided to

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01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: ensconce it in our constitution in the sixth Amendment, so

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01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 1: on and so forth. But the grand jury was supposedly

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01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 1: set up so that citizens could be sure that governments

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01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 1: did not use its power to go after their own

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01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: individual enemies. It was supposed to be a check on them.

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Speaker 1: What are they today? They are a rubber stamp. Can

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01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: we hear this?

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Speaker 2: Grand juries used to be filled with black women.

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Speaker 1: And they mean nothing today other than a rubber stamp

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01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: on prosecutors. All I'm saying here is this sister matters.

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01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 1: If you forget her name, if you forget what her

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: job title was, let me tell you she is transformative

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01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: to how justice can be perceived to be administered in

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01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: a fair way that goes after every corruptor that goes after.

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01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: Nobody is above the law, not law enforcement, and not

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01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: a president. She exhibited that she's now paying the cost

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01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: of it. I know that there are people who are

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01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: sitting in judgment about where they could have done this,

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01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: and they could have done that. She didn't do anything

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01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: different than people who are going in every day getting mortgages.

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01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: They figure out a way to make it happen, and

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01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: with their own money and resources art and they didn't

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01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: go out there trying to break some law and find

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01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: themselves at the crossairs of the federal government coming after

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01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,600
Speaker 1: them viciously.

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Speaker 4: Well, Marylyn now is in a position where she doesn't

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01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 4: even have a car. Her grandmother is in hospice, she

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01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,919
Speaker 4: has cancer. She's trying to take care of her grandmother

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01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 4: she still has her two girls. I think the divorce

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01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 4: is almost final. If it's not final, this is such

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01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 4: a tragic, catastrophic event. I cannot imagine how she's just

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01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 4: making it. She's barely holding on. This is something that

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01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 4: we need to call to attention. I'm just gonna remind

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01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 4: the listening audience in case y'all don't know. When Kamala

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01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 4: Harris was being called top cop and being raked over

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01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 4: the calls for prosecuting black men, Marilyn is someone who

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 4: they called on to defend her as a surrogate. And

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01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:35,839
Speaker 4: I would this administration owes her a pardon, not because

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01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 4: she campaigned for them, but because this is bullshit and

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01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 4: it is so wrong.

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01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: And it's illegal under DOJ guideline. How about this is illegal?

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01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: The practice is illegal. You have selectively targeted a person,

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01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: not because of what they'd done. You sought after, you

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01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,600
Speaker 1: selected records going back as far as twenty fourteen. You

1448
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,839
Speaker 1: were after trying to catch her up on something. And y'all,

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01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: there were foundations. There were wealthy people, there were celebrities,

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01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: there were others who lifted Maryland up and held her

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01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,799
Speaker 1: as a she wrote and a heroine in our community.

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01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: Because of what she did well, she is no less

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01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: that person today. That's right, and she's deserving of our

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01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: support and our outcry to this administration to make right

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01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: what they have done wrong.

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01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so to this point, May twenty third is

1457
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 4: when she's supposed to be sentenced, they can absolutely tee

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01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 4: up a partner. And that's what we should ask our

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01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 4: listening audience and our viewers to do. Tell this administration

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01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 4: they should be partnering Marilyn Moseby. Marilyn Moseby's the exact

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01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 4: type of prosecutor this country needs. Everyone who's a progressive

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01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 4: prosecutor right now is being faced with this type of animus.

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01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 4: And I think that it's time for DOJ to be

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01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 4: turned up, seth and last.

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01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: Before we go to a break and then come back

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01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: with our asks of you. I want you to know

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01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: that what this is attempting to send as a signal

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01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: that if you even think about prosecutor, running for prosecutor

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01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: becoming prosecutor in the mold of a Maryland Moseby, you

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01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: better think again. So the shot over the bow is

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01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: not to Maryland. They don't care. That means they clearly

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01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: they want her out of the way. But the shot

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01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 1: really is to the rest of us to say, don't

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01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: you dare even dream about it? Young man, young woman,

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01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: little boy, stay in your proper place, do the proper thing. Well,

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01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: yoh's and that's it. So just know that the opposite

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01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 1: of doing nothing and allow this to happen is to

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01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: allow them to win at this fight for achieving world

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01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 1: justice in this country. We're never going to get there

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01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: if this is what they can do to seekers of justice.

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01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 4: And Donald Trump got ninety one in diatments right, and

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01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 4: we tell my five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: I honestly just want to say thank you, Angela, because

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01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 2: I think it's important to hear this in lay person's

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01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 2: terms about what exactly happens. So thanks for doing the

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01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 2: background and the research and making it plain. And thank

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01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 2: you Andrew for sharing your testimony about what you went

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01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 2: because I want to make it real and tangible for people.

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01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: Imagine if this were you, you would want people to

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01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 2: stand in your corner. And you know, for anybody who

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01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 2: supports Marylyn Maryland, if you're listening, we will not forget you.

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01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 2: You did not abandon us, You stood for us, and

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Speaker 2: we will always stand with you and for you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sus and now we'll pay some bills and

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01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 1: be right back. Well, Angela, I appreciate you deep diving

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01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: us on that really important conversation, and of course we

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01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: invite you all to follow it up. But unfortunately, listeners,

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01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,719
Speaker 1: we went over our time, So politics everywhere. We're kicking

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01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: that to a mini pod and you won't want to

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Speaker 1: miss it. We'll be talking actor Terrence Howard, who is

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01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 1: ordered to pay one million in back taxes after saying

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01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: I won't tell you right now. You'll have to listen

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01:18:54,080 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 1: up for the rest of that response. So some calls

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01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: to action, I know we actually I feel like we've

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01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: already given the one that I'm a co signed, so

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01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: y'all can give yours. But my call to action is

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01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: going to be really toward this Maryland Moseby piece of folks,

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01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: tweeting about it, pushing it out, doing whatever you got

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01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 1: to do to spread the word. This woman deserves a pardon,

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01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 1: not for herself only, but for all of us and

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01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: the way in which she's stood up for real justice,

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01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,839
Speaker 1: real reform. Angela, what you got.

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Speaker 3: I definitely agree with that.

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Speaker 4: I want to shout out again our dear sister tiff

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Speaker 4: On a Cross Generations. I hope that people will go

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Speaker 4: subscribe now so that you get the alert for.

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Speaker 3: Her first episode. I'm so proud of.

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Speaker 2: You, thank you well. She stole my call to action,

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Speaker 2: but yes, I'll reveat it. On March twelfth, we drop

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Speaker 2: the pilot episode and another episode, so you'll be able

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Speaker 2: to check that out on iHeart podcast or wherever you

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Speaker 2: get your podcasts. And if you prefer to watch, you

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Speaker 2: can check us out on YouTube. We have our own

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel Across Generations. See what I did there, Tiffany

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Speaker 2: Cross Across Generations, So please download, subscribe, follow us on Instagram,

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Speaker 2: everywhere you can find us, drop a comment all the

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Speaker 2: things that we ask you to do for Native Land,

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Speaker 2: and while you're at it, drop a comment on Native

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Speaker 2: Land and rate us and make sure that you stay here.

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Speaker 2: And just to reiterate, I'm not going anywhere. You can

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Speaker 2: always hear me talk politics here on Across Generations. We

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Speaker 2: will not talk politics at all.

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Speaker 3: Welcome home, tiff A Relief.

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Speaker 1: Before we end the show, I want to remind everyone

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Speaker 1: to leave us a review and subscribe to Native lamppod.

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Speaker 1: We're available on all platforms and YouTube. New episodes drop

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Speaker 1: every Thursday. You can also follow us on social media.

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Speaker 1: We are Angela Raie, Tiffany Cross, and I'm Andrew Gellam.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, everybody, and there are just two hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty two days until Election Day.

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Speaker 3: Crazy Welcome home, Go Get registered.

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