WEBVTT - The Ballad of Doctor Orgasm 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, legally the only podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet, so I hope you all have no

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<v Speaker 1>big audience today of the entire world listening in um

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<v Speaker 1>as I have used my congressional connections to ban all

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<v Speaker 1>other podcasts, any other podcast. You're listening to our our

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<v Speaker 1>illegal podcast now, which actually makes mine less cool. This

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<v Speaker 1>is probably a bad call in any case. Uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a show about bad people, but very worse people

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<v Speaker 1>in all of history. And my guest today is Sharine

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<v Speaker 1>Lana Unash. You're back. I'm back, that's my own home.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about me gaslighting my audience about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that there are no other podcasts in order

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<v Speaker 1>to keep them keep them locked into my content stream.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I actually found it very entertaining and ingenious in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that I wasn't expecting. I think making them

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<v Speaker 1>believe this is the only source, you know, like you're

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<v Speaker 1>making You're making yourself essential to them. You're you're there. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>People talk a lot about like the downsides of gas lighting,

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<v Speaker 1>but nobody talks about how good it can be for

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<v Speaker 1>making money with a podcast. I mean the reality the

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<v Speaker 1>inverse the inverses like, the reality is there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>to be consumed, but you just constantly telling them there isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's pretty smart, I will say, though, the

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<v Speaker 1>word ingenious doesn't make that much sense to me. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a side note completely just semantic. Uh. Thing I

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<v Speaker 1>just realized is that genius is smart, but then ingenious

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<v Speaker 1>should being not smart, just because of the way that

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<v Speaker 1>prefix is usually used. But in this case it means

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<v Speaker 1>even more smart, which is just my own. This is

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<v Speaker 1>how my brain works now. I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>have conversations. It's very I'm frustrated by ingenious and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated by inflammable. And I know there's like a small

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<v Speaker 1>quadra of of grammar obsessives who have will explain how

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<v Speaker 1>it completely makes sense that both of those words mean

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<v Speaker 1>what they mean. UM, I don't care. Um I disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with grammar regular I regular. I regular disagree with grammar often,

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<v Speaker 1>me too, me to um So. Sharine, you are the

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<v Speaker 1>co host of the Ethnically Ambiguous podcast, and my friend

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<v Speaker 1>and co worker, and um you know, and a really

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<v Speaker 1>talented filmmaker and a talented filmmaker UM Award winning filmmaker.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's really no other way to to just launch

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<v Speaker 1>into this episode than by saying, how do you, um,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you feel about orgasms? Oh, you're welcome for

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<v Speaker 1>booking you on this. Um, now I know why Sophie

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<v Speaker 1>told me I was coming in blind and now I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about what I was getting myself into before

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<v Speaker 1>I turned on my microphone, before I agree to jump

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<v Speaker 1>on this call. This was not anywhere in the realm

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<v Speaker 1>of my Okay, well, I think orgasms are great. Um yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't know though personally if we really want to

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<v Speaker 1>get intimate here right off. Hasn't been even three minutes

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<v Speaker 1>of this podcast. I don't know. I've never had one,

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<v Speaker 1>so wow. Okay, Well, um yeah, that actually is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of on topic, Sharine, because um yeah, that's was I

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<v Speaker 1>selected for this on purpose? Or is this this is

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<v Speaker 1>this can't be a coincidence. Yeah, I just yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought we talk about grifters together, and our subject today

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<v Speaker 1>is a grifter, so I thought you'd enjoy talking about him. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>And I decided to open things with that incredibly inflammatory question. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>because because it's my podcast and I'm a monster. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>is the question relevant? Yes, it's extremely relevant. Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about it. I who goes by the nickname

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<v Speaker 1>doctor orgasm Um cute. Yeah. Uh So it's probably not

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise to anyone listening or to any of us

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<v Speaker 1>that that men and women have have very different orgasm experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is rooted heavily and evolutionary biology. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that illustrates this difference is the

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<v Speaker 1>incredible density of studies and articles about studies, UM, all

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<v Speaker 1>trying to unravel what's often described as like the mystery

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<v Speaker 1>of the of the vaginal orgasm um. It's seen. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's I mean, this is really funny to be Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to like be candid here. Sure, during this

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<v Speaker 1>whole quarantine thing, like like the the me not having

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<v Speaker 1>me not experiencing this feeling that everyone else seems to

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<v Speaker 1>like relation has been this like thorn in my side

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<v Speaker 1>for like most of my adult life, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>this this whole entire quarantine time has I've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of research on this to be honest about

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<v Speaker 1>like why someone would have more trouble than others, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what it means to actually let go and like experience

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<v Speaker 1>and receive pleasure like I have a lot of difficulty

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<v Speaker 1>receiving good things, including like just like even just like

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<v Speaker 1>feeling nice. And I've been this is this is actually

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<v Speaker 1>hilarious that we're talking about this because I've been like

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<v Speaker 1>genuinely like studying like like the ways to make myself

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<v Speaker 1>feel okay enough to experience this thing that has always

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<v Speaker 1>been this like this inside joke that everyone else understood.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also think women talking about this pressure, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't talk about it enough. Like I don't think the

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<v Speaker 1>society at large talks about women trying to overcome this

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<v Speaker 1>pressure if they're not like already in the know of

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<v Speaker 1>how to utilize or or like receive pleasure. And so anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've done my homework, even without meaning

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<v Speaker 1>to I had. I did not know this about you

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<v Speaker 1>going into the episode. Um, but that's actually gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>helpful in terms of trying to like parse this out

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<v Speaker 1>because this is a more confusing episode. It's not impossible

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<v Speaker 1>this is a medical grifter um who claims to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to cure women's who haven't who have trouble or

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<v Speaker 1>an inability to have orgasms, And for a number of reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fairly certain he's a grifter. Um, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>find some people, some women who say that he helped them,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a very complicated story. And it's more complicated

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<v Speaker 1>due to the fact that, like we as I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>like your research has suggested, we don't really have a

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<v Speaker 1>great we don't really have a great scientific lockdown on

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<v Speaker 1>the vaginal orgasm, right like it's it's it's Um, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot that's kind of up in the air about

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<v Speaker 1>it from a research standpoint. I mean, everyone's just so different.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's pot boils down to there's no like

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<v Speaker 1>there's no just like I don't know to put to

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<v Speaker 1>be crude, there's no like pump that you just like

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<v Speaker 1>go at until something comes out of. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Yeah, men literally have a button that

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<v Speaker 1>you can press. Yeah, exactly exactly. It's it's not for

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<v Speaker 1>men or it's not for you know, people with people

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<v Speaker 1>with uh, what's the most appropriate term to use? Wing

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<v Speaker 1>dang doodles. Um, The wind dang doodle orgasm is a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty simple thing, right, Um. Yeah, it's it's straightforward as

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<v Speaker 1>self explanator. But I think, like, uh, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get sorry, I keep taking over this conversation. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you're that that's why you're here. Please take it,

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<v Speaker 1>take it over. Like so when you're a boy, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're like a prepubescent boy, like it's it's understood that

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to be going through changes, that you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be going through puberty, and that means like exploring

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<v Speaker 1>your body like a wet dream for a guy is

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty standard point of puberty. For girls, you're never

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged or even told to explore yourself, and that makes

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<v Speaker 1>you feel even not even on purpose, but it makes

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<v Speaker 1>you feel a lot of shame about your body. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was raised pretty sheltered and I didn't I remember

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<v Speaker 1>really disliking my I was disgusted by my my genitals,

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<v Speaker 1>like I didn't understand them. I didn't under like I

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<v Speaker 1>there was a good portion of time before I like

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<v Speaker 1>embrace my sexuality. And I'm still like overcoming those things

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<v Speaker 1>now because of how you're raised as a girl just

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<v Speaker 1>to like shut it down and to protect yourself and

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<v Speaker 1>to not be a sexual being because that invites unwanted attention.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think being raised like that and never

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<v Speaker 1>like being encouraged to explore yourself, it leads to adult

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<v Speaker 1>women needing to figure it out even after they've already

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<v Speaker 1>had sex for the first time or the second time

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<v Speaker 1>or the thirtieth time or whatever. So um, yeah sorry, no, no, no, no, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's one of the other things that it

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<v Speaker 1>does is because there's so little conversation about this, and

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<v Speaker 1>especially so little conversation that's like had an uh a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of I don't know, um structured way like our

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<v Speaker 1>our our educational system doesn't build this in and most

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<v Speaker 1>parents feel too awkward to really talk about it. And

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<v Speaker 1>so because a lot of women don't ever get to

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<v Speaker 1>have these conversations and grow up like with this thing

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<v Speaker 1>of like I I don't know how to experience this,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to like get like like this

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of mystery about their own bodies. Whenever there

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<v Speaker 1>is a black hole of knowledge like that, it provides

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible opportunity to grifters. Um. It's the same reason

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<v Speaker 1>why when you have a huge virus hit, right, like

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<v Speaker 1>all these people start cropping up and and are able

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<v Speaker 1>to make claims like oh, we know how I know

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<v Speaker 1>how to cure this, I know how to treat this

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<v Speaker 1>is because like this weird mysterious thing that people don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand is a problem, and there's kind of a vacuum

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<v Speaker 1>of official information and there's a lot of there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>like a pretty decent sized industry of grifters who just

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<v Speaker 1>target women who are aren't able to orgasm or or

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<v Speaker 1>don't orgasm is often as they want to. Like that's

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<v Speaker 1>a big Like even when I was in India, there

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<v Speaker 1>were huge like tantric sex uh institutes, and like if

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<v Speaker 1>you spent enough time in the towns where they were located,

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<v Speaker 1>you would start hearing stories about the men who ran them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like almost I'm not gonna say tantric

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<v Speaker 1>sex is bad, but all of these all of these

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<v Speaker 1>guys were basically cult leaders, right like like that's this um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just this this thing that happens um And yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so unfortunate, and it makes me so enraged because

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that like like like this desperation to just

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<v Speaker 1>feel something that you're you're led to believe is like

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<v Speaker 1>a very human, primal thing, and you feel you feel

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<v Speaker 1>almost broken that you can't experience it, like coming from

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<v Speaker 1>my experience, like I maybe I was just maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was it's like too late, or like maybe I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>raised correctly or maybe I know it's it's why can't

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<v Speaker 1>my body do this? And so you become an adult

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<v Speaker 1>and you become so desperate to figure out how to

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<v Speaker 1>do these things. I can I can see someone getting

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<v Speaker 1>misled just because desperation will lead you to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And and it's it's this really um intimate and brutal

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<v Speaker 1>thing to experience in with yourself. To to have that

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<v Speaker 1>being taken advantage of is so criminal in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's just I'm just mad. Yeah, you'll get you'll

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<v Speaker 1>get time on the show. So, but before we get

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<v Speaker 1>into this specific orgasm grifter, I do want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to go over a little bit of like

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<v Speaker 1>orgasm research, um so just to kind of talk about

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<v Speaker 1>like what's out there right now, which will help explain

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<v Speaker 1>some things that are going to come into the story

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<v Speaker 1>later on. So again, there's not a lot that's like

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<v Speaker 1>ironed out known for sure about the vaginal orgasm. Some

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<v Speaker 1>researchers suggests that that they play a psychological role in reproducttion. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>like there's no question about the role of the male

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<v Speaker 1>orgasm and reproduction, but there is a question for um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the vaginal orgasm and the like. Uh. So the researchers

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<v Speaker 1>who suggest a psychological rules say that basically, because these

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<v Speaker 1>orgasms feel good, it makes people with vaginas want to

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<v Speaker 1>have more sex, which leads to more babies. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is like pretty logical, right. You can at least you

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<v Speaker 1>can see a through line there. Um. Yeah, so uh.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that these folks will point out is that

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<v Speaker 1>solitary animals such as cats, have what's called male induced ovulation. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where an egg is only released uh from

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<v Speaker 1>the ovary during sex. Um. And there is evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>cats orgasm in case you were curious, we know they

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<v Speaker 1>release prolactin, which is a hormone that human ladies get

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<v Speaker 1>flooded with when they orgasm and when they ovulate. Sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>study I found suggested that the hormone release with the

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<v Speaker 1>orgasm is probably an evolutionary holdover from when our ancestors

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<v Speaker 1>moved from induced opulation and like cats, to the spontaneous

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<v Speaker 1>ovulation that that we currently enjoy. Um. Enjoy might be

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong word there, but like, yeah, so that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>one theory. Um. And this study suggested that once ovulation

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<v Speaker 1>once like in our evolutionary timeline. When ovulation stopped depending

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<v Speaker 1>on like a man or you know, a penist getting

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<v Speaker 1>in there. Uh, the clitterest moved from inside the vaginal

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<v Speaker 1>canal to its current position. Um. And one piece of

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<v Speaker 1>good news from all of this is that the clitterest,

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<v Speaker 1>evolutionarily speaking, is not going to go away anytime soon. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The penis evolves from the same part of the embryo.

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<v Speaker 1>So as long as uh, there are wing dang doodles,

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<v Speaker 1>there will be clitter e. So that's good news. If

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<v Speaker 1>anyone was worried about losing those in a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years sciences, yeah, yeah, I was concerned. It also

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<v Speaker 1>means that men are going to keep their nipples. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was worried. Yeah. Well no they are not. They

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely are not a lot of uses for male nipples. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You can hang stuff off them, that's mostly yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, I think that's that's good background to get

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<v Speaker 1>because the medical grifter we're talking about today, UM is

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor who claims to be able to vastly increase

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<v Speaker 1>the likelihood and quality of women's orgasms, and he does

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<v Speaker 1>this by injecting their own blood back into their labia. UMU. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is probably nonsense, although it is not definitively nonsense,

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<v Speaker 1>because the exact kind of treatment this guy is using

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<v Speaker 1>is still something that's that's being studied. Um. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is a case where there it's possible there's some validity

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<v Speaker 1>to what he's doing medically, but the doctor himself is

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely a piece of ship and a grifter. Um. And

0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he has a huge populic Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>more I'm intrigued. Yeah, this is a This is an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting one. So the fact that this doctor has a

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<v Speaker 1>sizeable population of interested customers is doing large part to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that, as we kind of lead this episode

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<v Speaker 1>talking about vaginal and cluatoral orgasm are actually pretty rare.

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<v Speaker 1>People with penises report orgasms about of the time and

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<v Speaker 1>heterosexual encounters, while people with vaginas report orgasms only about

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<v Speaker 1>fifty percent of the time. Um. The reasons for this

0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.400
<v Speaker 1>are hotly debated, but they actually kind of seem pretty

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<v Speaker 1>obvious to me based on just the data. So, for

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<v Speaker 1>one thing, age, education, and income all increase the likelihood

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<v Speaker 1>of orgasm um for people with vaginas. Yeah. And this

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that knowledge and particularly kind of knowledge of one's

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<v Speaker 1>self and one's biology increases your odds as a vagina

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<v Speaker 1>have r of having an orgasm. Uh yeah, yeah yeah. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Only about of people with vaginas orgasm from casual sex,

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<v Speaker 1>while seventy orgasm and committed relationships. And to me this

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<v Speaker 1>suggests the same thing, which is that orgasms are at

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<v Speaker 1>least somewhat a project of knowledge, and having a partner

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<v Speaker 1>who knows your bits increases your chance of having an orgasm.

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<v Speaker 1>And and I will say I didn't like say the

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<v Speaker 1>word masturbation earlier when I was talking about like exploring

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<v Speaker 1>your body or anything, but I do think the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't talk about women masturbating and like we're

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<v Speaker 1>not really like they're I mean, like now they're like

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<v Speaker 1>we're being more progressive. There's a certain section of like

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<v Speaker 1>youth that's like really all about talking about it. But

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<v Speaker 1>when I was growing up, I didn't masturbate. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know how. I didn't know. I still low key

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know how. So because it's just I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still trying to understand like like how to receive pleasure.

0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm so bad at receiving anything that alone like a

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<v Speaker 1>compliment or like like how much is to receive a

0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:43.320
<v Speaker 1>fucking orgasm for myself. Um. But I think our obsession

0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.600
<v Speaker 1>with only talking about male pleasure and male masturbation leads

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<v Speaker 1>women to never understand like they don't have the knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>about how to feel good sexually because they're not encouraged

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<v Speaker 1>to it, and there there's just so much shame around it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And even like I remember watching porn when I was

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<v Speaker 1>like a teenager purely as like studying it, like I

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to understand what it, like, what people were

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<v Speaker 1>up to, Like what was this thing I was missing?

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<v Speaker 1>And every time they would show like a woman masturbating,

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<v Speaker 1>it was this like just crude, like just like it

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<v Speaker 1>was just so it wasn't good enough, Like it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't work, you know what. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. It's just it made seem too easy. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, sorry, I keep getting distracted. I'm just no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean bringing up a lot of ship Robert yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>ship Yeah. I mean, And you're not You're you're very

0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.600
<v Speaker 1>far from alone in that, because, like you know, the

0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:47.399
<v Speaker 1>data suggests like this is a hugely common problem. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Just in general, people who have vaginas not orgasm ng

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<v Speaker 1>as often as they would prefer. UM is very common

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<v Speaker 1>and there are actually quite a lot of women who

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<v Speaker 1>have what's called female orgasmic disorder UM. And that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what it's sounds like. It's an inability UM to orgasm. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is also incredibly treatable. Sex therapy is successful

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<v Speaker 1>of the time. UM Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that exists. There's treatment options in the data suggests

0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.800
<v Speaker 1>that they are very there. They are very often effective. Um.

0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.800
<v Speaker 1>But those numbers still leave a lot of unsatisfied people

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<v Speaker 1>with vaginas out there. Uh. And unluckily for them, doctor

0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Charles Reynolds is around to take their money. Charles Reynolds

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<v Speaker 1>is the inventor of the O shot, a controversial therapy

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<v Speaker 1>meant to correct a lack of vaginal orgasms. Dr Reynolds

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<v Speaker 1>has been branded doctor Orgasm by some and he's a

0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.920
<v Speaker 1>big old piece of ship. Now, if you've not heard

0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:46.960
<v Speaker 1>about his O shot, you may have heard about his

0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.800
<v Speaker 1>other groundbreaking medical treatments, the vampire facial. This is the

0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:58.400
<v Speaker 1>guy who did the vampire facial. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the same guy the vampire breast. Anything. But like coming

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<v Speaker 1>from a guy, I'm already wary of anyone that's like

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<v Speaker 1>I can give this, I can give women more orgasms,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what did a woman know the most intimately how

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<v Speaker 1>to do that? Like I'm already like I'm intrigued only

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<v Speaker 1>because like I'm so fascinated by the subject. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think just by default that that information, that claim coming

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<v Speaker 1>from a guy is already kind of like lose his

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<v Speaker 1>credibility for me because he will never understand one a

0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.359
<v Speaker 1>vagina is capable of you know what I mean, But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, you won't, you won't change your

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<v Speaker 1>opinion on that over the course of this episode. Can't Wait.

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<v Speaker 1>So in addition to the vampire facial and the vampire

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<v Speaker 1>breast lift, Dr Reynolds is the inventor of the pre shot,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a needle that you shoot into your dick

0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:53.680
<v Speaker 1>to make your dick the orgasm better. UM. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's he has picked, he's picked a path for himself. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And his path is his path is sucking people's blood

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<v Speaker 1>and then shooting it back into pieces of them to

0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.679
<v Speaker 1>gain kind of unclear medical benefits Like that's this the

0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:11.560
<v Speaker 1>guy's thing, um, and the specific medical treatment that he

0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.720
<v Speaker 1>is involved in, and that all really um, all of

0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:20.840
<v Speaker 1>his His his treatments are one second, the specific medical

0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:22.919
<v Speaker 1>treatment that he focuses on that kind of all of

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<v Speaker 1>these different things are a type of is called platement

0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:33.720
<v Speaker 1>rich plasma plasma injection or PRP injections or PRP therapy. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a mostly when it comes to like skin rejuvenation

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<v Speaker 1>and yes, increasing cell turnover and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. I don't think it's like I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>still as far as I know, like the very still

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<v Speaker 1>out as far as very much. Yeah, we'll talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's certainly grown more popular over the years. UM And

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<v Speaker 1>and for folks who don't know you're familiar with I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess a lot of people have are somewhat familiar

0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.680
<v Speaker 1>with this. But the basic idea is that a patient's

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<v Speaker 1>blood is drawn out and then put through a centrifuge,

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<v Speaker 1>and the centrifuge concentrates all of the platelets, which are

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<v Speaker 1>the blood cells that are largely responsible for the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that your blood has healing functions. UM. Those platelets are

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<v Speaker 1>then sucked back up and then injected into damaged or

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<v Speaker 1>diseased body tissue in order to stimulate healing. UM And obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes sense that people would try this as a therapy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the there's logic to like, oh yeah, I can

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<v Speaker 1>see how if you concentrate like the heally parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the blood and then shoot it into wounded Yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that'll work. It's it certainly falls under the list of

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<v Speaker 1>medical treatments. I was like, yeah, it was worth a shot.

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<v Speaker 1>People should have given it a yeah, well we'll give

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<v Speaker 1>it a go. Yeah. But it got really popular just

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<v Speaker 1>with like celebrities and stuff like, not like wounded or

0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.439
<v Speaker 1>damaged skin. It was just like to increase or too.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like marketed as like a you a youthful

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<v Speaker 1>like fountain of thing exactly. And it started. The very

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<v Speaker 1>first PRP therapies were in sports medicine UM and largely

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<v Speaker 1>kind of as a way for professional athletes and the

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<v Speaker 1>like to more rapidly heal from rotator cuff injuries and

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<v Speaker 1>sort of similar you know, wounds, the kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that like, you know a lot of times like you

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<v Speaker 1>pull an ankle, you fuck your rotator cuff up, you

0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.560
<v Speaker 1>funk up a knee, and like it kind of stays

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit fucked up forever. And so this was

0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:13.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of they were trying to figure out how to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with that, right, Like, maybe we can accelerate the

0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:18.880
<v Speaker 1>body's healing so you can actually get this ship fixed. Yeah,

0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.359
<v Speaker 1>and there are there are some professional athletes and stuff

0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.399
<v Speaker 1>who swear by this treatment. The actual scientific data on

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<v Speaker 1>how well it works is very muddled. I found a

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<v Speaker 1>systematic review in the Cochrane Library that analyzed nineteen studies

0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:34.080
<v Speaker 1>on PRP therapies, and when they did a bias analysis,

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<v Speaker 1>only three of these studies were judged to be at

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<v Speaker 1>low risk of bias because obviously a lot of people

0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:42.680
<v Speaker 1>with financial interests in PRP therapy working fund studies into

0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:46.440
<v Speaker 1>whether or not PRP therapy works. Um. But even when

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of excluded the biased studies, the existent studies

0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:54.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't show evidence of any significant effect from PRP therapy.

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<v Speaker 1>There is some evidence that it might help reduce pain,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's really about all we can say conclude sibly.

0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:01.920
<v Speaker 1>There's a decent amount of evidence that it can help

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<v Speaker 1>reduce pain when you're healing from an injury. UM in

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<v Speaker 1>certain circumstances. There's really not nothing hard to support the

0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:14.320
<v Speaker 1>claims that it accelerates healing UM, which doesn't mean that

0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:16.560
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't because this is still pretty new, but like

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<v Speaker 1>the the jury is definitely still out and of course

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.040
<v Speaker 1>there's there is no clinical I want to get this

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<v Speaker 1>right out of the way. There's zero clinical evidence that

0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:27.520
<v Speaker 1>it helps with work as ms that like like not

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<v Speaker 1>not a drop. That is just a wild yeah progression

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<v Speaker 1>of like yeah, like where else can I put blood? Yeah,

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:40.720
<v Speaker 1>people are someone's blood Jesus man. Yeah, and it put

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things he's kind of taking advantage of

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.400
<v Speaker 1>is that, surprisingly enough, like labial tissue, you can actually

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.200
<v Speaker 1>do this kind of stuff and it doesn't really hurt,

0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:50.760
<v Speaker 1>um because the place that he injects it into there's

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 1>actually not a lot of like you don't have a

0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.400
<v Speaker 1>ton of of you don't know, like all of that

0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:58.639
<v Speaker 1>area isn't super sensitive, Like there's actually parts that aren't

0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:03.240
<v Speaker 1>because like it's meant to tear apart during childbirth and stuff. Um,

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:05.760
<v Speaker 1>the way you word it that was very great. Yeah

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 1>that's not nice. Yeah, sorry, but it's like this is

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:12.439
<v Speaker 1>where we all came from, Like we all I could

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I could see how someone can rationalize this because when

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 1>you are when you're orgasming, when you're supposed to receive pleasure,

0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:23.560
<v Speaker 1>like all the blood is supposed to rush there so

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<v Speaker 1>that I could kind of rationalize this, this this concept

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.679
<v Speaker 1>of like, well, if you're having trouble, then I'll just

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 1>put blood where they're you're supposed to have blood, and

0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 1>then and then everything is solved. But it's not something yeah,

0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:40.680
<v Speaker 1>like all of the best bullshit medicine. There's a level

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.680
<v Speaker 1>to which it makes kind of intuitive sense where you're like, oh, yeah,

0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:47.119
<v Speaker 1>this I can if you explain the idea of the

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:50.440
<v Speaker 1>treatment to someone, just a random person on the street,

0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:52.359
<v Speaker 1>I think most people be like, Okay, yeah, I can

0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:55.399
<v Speaker 1>see how that might work. Like it's not inherently nonsense,

0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, the data suggests that it is, but it's

0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the the idea itself. It does kind of fall under

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<v Speaker 1>the yeah, probably it was worth trying, right, you know?

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. You know what won't inject your own

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:12.439
<v Speaker 1>blood back into your genitalia. The products and services that

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>support this podcast have never done that, unless we are

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 1>running an ad for for the O Shot, in which

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 1>case please don't get that until you finished listening to

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 1>the podcast. We're back. Uh Okay, who were so? Speaking

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:39.520
<v Speaker 1>of journeys? Before I start talking about how the O

0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 1>shot came to be, I want to talk a little

0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:44.640
<v Speaker 1>bit about the clinical background of its inventor, one Dr

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Charles Runnolds, a k A. Doctor Orgasm. Now. I became

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<v Speaker 1>aware of Dear Charles through the writing of one doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Jin Gunter, an O B G y N and an

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<v Speaker 1>author of a book called The Vagina Bible. She is

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<v Speaker 1>professionally angry at scammers who push nonsense medicine on the

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 1>vaginas of the world, and she is not a fan

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 1>of Dr Reynolds. I love her already. Yeah, yeah, she's

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 1>she She seems to know what she's talking about. Um

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I she certainly has the professional qualifications to to be

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>talking about this subject. Absolutely. I just love an angry woman,

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>you know. I just love an angry woman, That's all

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 1>it is. Yeah, she's really angry, and I low key

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>not even low key because like a third of my

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.200
<v Speaker 1>content is based on it. One of my very favorite

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:33.160
<v Speaker 1>genres of things on the Internet is like furious doctors

0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>writing about like medical scammers. I just I love that ship. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Um so, as Dr jin Gunter points out, um, doctor Reynolds,

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the the doctor Orgasm is an internal medicine doctor and

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:50.479
<v Speaker 1>internal medicine doctors, uh, their training does not focus very

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 1>much on the vagina. During his medical school, Charles Reynolds

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 1>likely spent a pretty minimal amount of time studying gynecology. Uh.

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:00.199
<v Speaker 1>He may have done a few months of residency at

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 1>a gynecological clinic, but that would have been the most

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 1>So if this orgasm doctor doesn't have a background in gynecology,

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 1>what's his background in? Well. On his own website, Dr

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Renalds says that his first love was medical research, and

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 1>he lists his chief medical hero as doctor Verne Enforceman.

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen nine, Enforceman performed the very first heart catheterization

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>on his own heart. Uh, and he this vern Enforcement

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 1>is a legitimate medical badass. Reynolds writes that this guy

0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>quote tied the nurse down and cast his own heart,

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 1>then walked up three flights of stairs in order to

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>photograph it, and this is largely accurate, although the truth

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 1>is that the nurse agreed to let Dr Forceman tie

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 1>her up because he needed clean instruments and she had

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>access to them, and he might die doing this and

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>he didn't want it to get in troubles. It was

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of like they were kind of doing this so

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 1>that if he died doing this, she wouldn't get blamed

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 1>for it. Um, that's why he tied her up. But yeah,

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 1>it's a cool story. It's actually like a really awesome medicals. Yeah.

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Enforceman had this theory about how you could have catheterize

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 1>a heart, and he had been denied attend permission to

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 1>attempt it because it was seen as too dangerous. So

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 1>he decided he had to work it out do it

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>on himself, and he worked at a deal with the

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>nurse so that they could do this and not endanger

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 1>her life and career. Um. Why Dr Runold's idolizes Dr

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Forceman will become clear presently. For right now, it's important

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:26.439
<v Speaker 1>for people to know that Forceman spent a lot of

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 1>his life reviled by the medical community for his irresponsible

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>self experimentation. He was only recognized as a genius after

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>World War Two, when he finally received the Nobel Prize. Dr.

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Forceman spent most of his life as a humble, grunt

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>level medical practitioner. He was a German military doctor in

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>World War Two, so he worked with like the Nazi army,

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 1>but he was like treating wounded people. Um, which is

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess the least objectionable job you could have. Uh,

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>in Nazi Germany. Um. And then he was like a

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>town doctor. Like he was like a small town like

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 1>family physician for years and years and years. Um. And

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>after he won the Nobel Prize, he was actually offered

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>a fancy job running a German cardiovascular institute. Uh. And

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 1>he turned this down because he felt like he didn't

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 1>know enough to do the job well. Like he he

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>was like he was a very humble man. In other words.

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Um So Dr renalds idolizes this man. And there's a

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 1>lot to idolize in Dr Forceman Nazi service aside, just

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's it's a cool medical story. Um. And

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 1>when Reynolds first got his m D, his desire was

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>to be a medical researcher. Now, I don't have a

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 1>tremendous amount of detail about Dr Reynolds's early life, and

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>most of what we do have comes from an article

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 1>in The Guardian that will not bad is largely just

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>repeating what Renald says about his own early life. Uh.

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>He says that as a teenager he endured horrific cystic acne. Um.

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>This is not what most of us was described as

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>bad acne. I'm sure we all have a bad acne story.

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 1>He was one of those people whose, like, whole face

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 1>was just this oozing, painful mass of sores. Um. He

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 1>claims it was. Yeah, and I had there was at

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 1>least one kid at my school who had this kind

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>of acne. And it did. It did seem like a nightmare. Um,

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 1>it's brutal. Yeah. Reynolds claims that his acne was so

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>bad that he forgot what his own nose looked like. Um.

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, there's not many worse ailments you could have

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 1>as a teenager. This was obviously disastrous for young Charles's

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>personal life. He recalls praying to God, if you could

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>make me attractive, I will find something good to do

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 1>with it. Um. And luckily for him, a miracle cure

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>soon did arrive. Dermatologists treated his skin with X rays,

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 1>which cured the cystic acne, but left him with a

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 1>lifetime of melanomas, which have required constant treatment in order

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>to stop from turning cancerous as an adult. Dr Reynolds

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 1>now claims that his childhood battle with cystic acne gave

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 1>him enormous compassion for people suffering from incurable conditions. The

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 1>pain of what I have called the hidden population. Uh. Now,

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 1>if this story is true, it's certainly easy to see

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>how it could have sparked his youthful desire to embark

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>on a career is a medical researcher, and that's exactly

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 1>what he did, but unfortunately he was not good at it.

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 1>In two thousands, or he got approval to conduct the

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>study on the efficacy of a new smallpox vaccine formulation.

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>He got approval to do this, but he did not

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>get approval to conduct the study on homeless people. However,

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, yeah we're getting God, Oh my god,

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>what a piece of trash. Yeah, yeah, he's not great, Like, okay,

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I could have sympathy. I was just thinking, like, yeah,

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I have a I have the emotional depth to to

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>understand empathy and to sympathize with someone that is that

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.479
<v Speaker 1>that has really bad acne and is going through a

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>hard time self confidence or whatever. That does not give

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>you a fucking green light to Oh my god, what

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>a fucking piece of ship. Yeah he's a real piece

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>of ship. This study is is bad, Like, oh boy, howdy?

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Um so he Uh. Basically, it's expensive to recruit subjects

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 1>for a vaccine study and it's hard. Um, but tricking

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>hoboes into letting you test drugs on their bodies is easy. Um,

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of just what he did. Uh. And

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 1>he did he did get approval to conduct the study

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>on people from a homeless shelter after he had already

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 1>started testing them. Um. Yeah, so he filled her forgiveness remation. Yeah.

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>And there's a lot of other shadiness. So he filled

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>his sample, grew up with men and women from a

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 1>local New Orleans homeless shelter. I think twenty two of them. Uh. And,

0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 1>as the FDA later wrote, quote, you enrolled twenty one

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>indigent persons from a multi service center for the homeless

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>into either study. Uh. Only after enrolling eight of these subjects,

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you received approval from the Institutional Review Board IRB to

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>enroll vulnerable subjects as described below. Regardless of the irby's

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>decision to reprove the enrollment of vulnerable populations, persons utilizing

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the Multi Service Center for the homeless were unsuitable for

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 1>consideration for these studies for many reasons, including, but not

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:56.239
<v Speaker 1>limited to the following. These individuals weren't suitable because they

0:32:56.240 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>were economically and or educationally disadvantaged. Some subjects could not

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 1>understand or follow the protocol requirements. For example, subjects in

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>IT list, a couple of subjects did not understand how

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>to measure his her temperature in order to complete his

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 1>her daily diary, as they reported body temperatures raising from

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>ranging from eighty four degrees fahrenheit to So one reason

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 1>why this was bad is because like these people had

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to keep data on themselves in order for the study

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 1>to make be have any value, and they just weren't

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>competent to They didn't have the kind of education to

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>do that. Um the FDA has complaint continues. One requirement

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>for doctors doing these sorts of studies is that they

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>complete a vaccine risk Assessment questionnaire at least six times

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 1>during the study. The questionnaire asks about the health and

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 1>medication use of people to study subject lives with. This

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>is obviously a project for homeless folks who live in

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.600
<v Speaker 1>a center because their household contacts include every person including

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>staff and volunteers at that center. UM. So this is

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>a huge problem because again, if you're testing medicine on

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 1>people to see if it works, you have to know

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>what other medications they're taking. You want to limit and

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 1>control for that, and have no fucking idea what people

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 1>at a homeless center, many of whom are addicted to

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:07.719
<v Speaker 1>drugs themselves, are actually taking and you don't know what

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.399
<v Speaker 1>they had the option to take. You just can't. It's

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 1>a bad group to use for a study like this. Um, Like,

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 1>there's the moral problem of of these of going of

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>conducting a study in these folks because a lot of

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>them have mental illnesses that mean that they can't really

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>provide informed consent um. And then there's also the fact that,

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 1>like you can't get good data out of these people

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>because like you can't control free of the things you

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 1>need to in a stay. There's a whole lot of

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 1>reasons this was the worst way to conduct to study. Yeah,

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:39.240
<v Speaker 1>there's there's no upside. The upside is that it's cheap

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and it it's easy if you don't care about actually

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 1>performing a good study. Um. But that that that like

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of the gates his entire like ethos that he's

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>like self proclaimed right, like it just yeah, yeah, it

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 1>sure does. So there were a lot more problems too,

0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Like we're not even done with this ship. Dr Rerunnold's

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 1>got his his institution research board to approve him to

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 1>have an impartial witness observed the informed consent discussion that

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:07.759
<v Speaker 1>he got while recruiting these homeless people to act as

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 1>guinea pigs. So that was how he got He got

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>permission after the study started to use homeless people as

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 1>test subjects, and the way he did this was by

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 1>promising to have an impartial witness who can make sure

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>that these people were providing informed consent um And obviously

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>the purpose of this was to avoid a ghoulish situation

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 1>where mentally iller drug addled individuals were tested with experimental

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 1>medications in exchange for money without understanding that they'd agreed

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 1>to be tested tested with experimental medications in exchange for money.

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 1>That would be a horrible thing. Um, So thank god

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 1>he had an impartial witness, right, Wow, thank god, you're

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.440
<v Speaker 1>glad he had an impartial witness, right, motherfucker. But he

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 1>had acne. He had really bad acne though, so he's

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.879
<v Speaker 1>allowed to do this. Oh my god, I hate him.

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I hate him. You want to hear who was impartial

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 1>witness was? Yeah, another homeless person that he was testing

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 1>drugs are. Oh my god, he's such a piece of ship.

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Like pure evidence. This is pure evidence of him repeatedly

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:13.959
<v Speaker 1>taking advantage of those who are vulnerable. Like whether it's

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>women that can't orgasm or people that like have no

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 1>other choice, you're still taking advantage of people that are vulnerable.

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>And like that's like on a one grift? What a

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 1>one come on? Yeah, and it gets worse, Like this

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 1>is honestly one of the worst scientific studies I've ever

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.240
<v Speaker 1>heard of anyone conducting. So obviously, people who are conducting

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 1>proper medical studies are supposed to do a lot of

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 1>research to understand the pre existing conditions of members of

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.880
<v Speaker 1>the study, So like you look at how their bodies

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 1>doing before you start putting meds on them. This is

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:48.319
<v Speaker 1>to avoid endangering people and to ensure that like the

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 1>folks conducting the study learning as much as possible about,

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, how certain medications affect people with different health conditions.

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 1>So obviously are all of Dr Reynolds's patients underwent e

0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>k G s and blood and urine samples. But Charles

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>just didn't tell his i RB about any of the

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:06.319
<v Speaker 1>adverse health conditions that he revealed in this process. Um,

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 1>so a bunch of people were found with heart problems,

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.280
<v Speaker 1>he just didn't say anything about it. Uh And in fact,

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 1>one of his subjects after being medicated, was hospitalized for

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 1>chest pain. And he also didn't tell the IRB about that,

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:21.359
<v Speaker 1>um for more than two weeks. Um, so that's all

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:25.319
<v Speaker 1>really bad. Um, it's it's horrible, Like this is one

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:27.760
<v Speaker 1>of the worst. Like if you're if you're a science person,

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 1>read read the the FDA's complaint about this study because

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>it's shocking how bad it is. The gist of how

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 1>is he still allowed to practice medicine after this? Like

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 1>that's what well, that's what we're bill are for. Oh

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>my god, he was yeah, so um yeah. The gist

0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 1>of all this is that Dr Reynolds used homeless folks

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.080
<v Speaker 1>as test subjects and took the actions to obscure the

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 1>fact that many of them didn't understand what was being

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 1>done to them. He covered up their illnesses, all of

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 1>this horrible stuff. In two thousand eight, the f d

0:37:56.239 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 1>A investigated him for this and initiated disqualification proceeds against him,

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:04.720
<v Speaker 1>and he was disqualified from working as a clinical investigator

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:08.279
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand nine as a result of this investigation.

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:11.840
<v Speaker 1>UM Dr Jim Gunter explains what that means. Quote, getting

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 1>disqualified by the FDA means a clinical investigator has repeatedly

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 1>or deliberately failed to comply with applicable regulatory requirements, or

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 1>the clinical investigator has repeatedly or deliberately submitted false information

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 1>to the sponsor or, if applicable to the f d

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>A in any required report. A disqualified clinical investigator is

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 1>not eligible to conduct any clinical investigation that supports an

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.800
<v Speaker 1>application for a research or for marketing permit for products

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:41.439
<v Speaker 1>regulated by the FDA. So he gets banned from being

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:47.359
<v Speaker 1>a medical researcher basically because he's so wildly irresponsible at

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 1>it um. Yeah, and obviously because he's a subject of

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 1>this show, so we know what happens. We know what happens.

0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 1>He gets famous for the vampire fasial like he didn't

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.359
<v Speaker 1>have a he didn't he didn't have a come up

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 1>and you know what I mean, This is not the

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>come up as show. This is enraging. This is not

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 1>the come up as show. Although if we were to

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 1>really dig into it, we could come up with a

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 1>good since this is an orgasm and based episode, a

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 1>good come joke based on the word come up. And

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 1>but I'm going to leave that to the listener to

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 1>put together in your own head. You know, what. Yeah.

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think of that when I said it out loud,

0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.360
<v Speaker 1>but it's pretty there. You know, take it, take it

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>for yourself, makes the joke your own, you know. Yeah,

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 1>this is a d I O Y. The comedy in

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>this podcast is very often d I Y. It's the

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 1>only podcast out there, so take what you can get. Yeah,

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 1>we're like the IKEA of jokes about bad orgasm doctors. UM.

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Not a lot of money in being that. I don't

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 1>know why we took this path anyway. Uh yeah. Obviously

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 1>being at the subject of this podcast, Dr Reynolds did

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 1>not learn it, goddamn think from his failures or from

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:57.160
<v Speaker 1>his punishment. After he gets banned from conducting medical research

0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>because of his how horrifically irresponds sable UM, he gets

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 1>fined in two thousands, also in two thousand nine, five

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars by the State Board of Medical Examiners of

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Alabama for the misuse of hormone replacement therapy after he

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>massively overdosed two women with testosterone UM. Yeah. Yeah, and

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:21.760
<v Speaker 1>he defends his actions by saying that the hormone doses

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:26.920
<v Speaker 1>helped his patients um, just as he defends his actions

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 1>with the vaccine trial by saying that he didn't know

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:35.800
<v Speaker 1>the subjects were homeless. Um. Yeah, he's he's just a liar. Um.

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 1>Now Yeah. Dr Reynolds again, when he gets talked about

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:43.880
<v Speaker 1>his misuse of hormone replacement therapy because he overdosed women

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:47.800
<v Speaker 1>with distosterone, UM, he will say that like it helped

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.279
<v Speaker 1>his patients. And I wanted to know, like what he

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 1>meant by that, And eventually I was able to find

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 1>a video posted to his website, which is called the

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Cellular Medicine Association, titled who is Charles Reynolds? Um. The

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:01.720
<v Speaker 1>association is run by him, and he made this whole video.

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't acknowledge that he was fined for doing this,

0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:07.400
<v Speaker 1>but he does talk about how he started doing testosterone

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 1>therapy for women. UM. And he again doesn't acknowledge that

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>he hurt people doing this, but he does say that, uh,

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:16.720
<v Speaker 1>it gave them such high libidos that their husbands couldn't

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 1>keep up. Uh and so he started injecting their husbands

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>with testosterone. UM. And I can't tell you if that

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:26.040
<v Speaker 1>happened or not, UM, but I can tell you that

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound like good medicine. I'm not a doctor, but Um,

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that seems like a bad medical call. Uh so yeah.

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Renalds says that in two thousand and ten he started

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 1>hearing about PRP therapy, which was then again mostly the

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:45.319
<v Speaker 1>province of like sports medicine, although gynecologists had started using

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:48.160
<v Speaker 1>the technique to inject platelets around the urethra of women

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 1>who experienced urinaryan continents. And it does seem to help

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 1>with that. Um, there's some some I don't know if

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 1>there's hard studies, but I know a lot of people

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:57.759
<v Speaker 1>say it helps with that, and I haven't seen any

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 1>reason to believe it doesn't. UM. But I'm gonna let

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Dr Reynolds himself explain what happened next. This is this

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:08.879
<v Speaker 1>is Dr Charles Reynolds explaining what happens after he realized

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:13.799
<v Speaker 1>that uh PRP therapy UM was was was being used

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:17.160
<v Speaker 1>on people's faces. Back in two thousand and ten, someone

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:21.919
<v Speaker 1>brought to me the centrifuge that had been used by

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the orthopedic surgeons to prepare play ridge plasma for the

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 1>knees and by the dentists and wound care wound healing.

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Excuse me, so, and the person bringing the centrifuge says,

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:41.320
<v Speaker 1>this has been FDA approved for preparing plasma play towards plasma,

0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>and if you use it, of course it's blood. The

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:48.399
<v Speaker 1>blood's not FDA approved blood. The FDA doesn't approve your hair,

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>your urine, or your saliva or your blood, but they

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.319
<v Speaker 1>have to approve the device that makes the plastma to

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>go back into your body. So he says, this has

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.399
<v Speaker 1>been FDA airproof to prepare plasma to go back into

0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the body, and it's been shown two calls, new tissue growth,

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:05.840
<v Speaker 1>new blood flow, new volume, and there's never been a

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 1>granuloma or serious infection or serious side effect from play

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 1>ridge plasma. You should try it in the face. So

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I thought, oh, this is wonderful because if this works

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.320
<v Speaker 1>in the face, I mean instantly, because I was tuned

0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 1>into the sexual problems, I thought, if this works in

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 1>the face and does all those things, then this should

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:26.560
<v Speaker 1>help the genitalia. So he's like, yeah, I saw that

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:28.279
<v Speaker 1>this worked in the face, and I was like, well,

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 1>if this helps people's faces, then it clearly it helps

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.640
<v Speaker 1>their genitals. Which nobody says that about anything, Like I'm

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 1>not like, well, because my straight razor helps me get

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 1>a nice shave, I should clearly shave my dick with

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a straight razor. You don't, my god, Like what a

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 1>line of thought that makes so much sense, just to

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 1>jump from face to dick. Contact help my eyes, they

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 1>must help my paenis. But like I will say, um,

0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what he looked like before watching that,

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:04.720
<v Speaker 1>and I am like a little bit more than needed

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:07.120
<v Speaker 1>to be upset, Like I I'm more upset than I

0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:09.760
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be. That the fact that he's not unattractive,

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Like he's conventionally attractive, and it's proven that people trust

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>people that are attractive, like someone if someone is is

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:22.080
<v Speaker 1>good looking, if they're tall, if they're built, if they're

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 1>if they have a charming way of speaking. He has

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 1>a deep voice, he has like a tick, a southern

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 1>what's that word, like twang or whatever to his like

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:33.719
<v Speaker 1>like he he had like a drawl, like like he

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 1>is presenting himself as an alpha, and you're going to

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>trust that if you're vulnerable, like like even if he

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 1>was like that just makes me so I wish he wasn't.

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I just but like it makes sense. The fact that

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:49.839
<v Speaker 1>he's gone away with it makes sense a little bit

0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:52.440
<v Speaker 1>more than did before. Now in my brain, you know,

0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 1>what you're saying is exactly why I think we should

0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:03.399
<v Speaker 1>just mandate disfiguring facial surgery for all American citizens. Um.

0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:08.080
<v Speaker 1>And you know who's here to help with mandatory disfiguring

0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 1>surgery is our sponsors at Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, who

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 1>have developed a brand new knife missile that is just

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:18.759
<v Speaker 1>gonna guarantee nobody gets trusted on the basis of their

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 1>attractiveness ever again. So please support Lockheed Martin in its

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:28.080
<v Speaker 1>quest to disfigure all of us. Ye enjoy these other products.

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 1>So we're back again. I know a lot of doctors

0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:37.799
<v Speaker 1>actually listen to this podcast. We have a lot of

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:39.799
<v Speaker 1>doctor fans, and I'm interested in their takes on the

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 1>clip that we just played as a layment. It seems

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 1>like competent medical researchers don't say if this works on

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the face, it must be good for helping people. Fuck,

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:49.520
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not an m D, so I'll leave that

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:52.359
<v Speaker 1>to y'all. My sister is a doctor, and I know

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 1>she would shed all over this. Like I it seems

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:59.399
<v Speaker 1>like a reach. I mean, like I want to bring

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 1>this up really quick, Like, do you know, I don't

0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 1>know if the movie contagion had a huge up surge recently. Uh,

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to. I guess this is like a spoiler,

0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 1>but it's been around long enough then who cares. At

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the end of the movie, like the cure comes about

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:19.800
<v Speaker 1>because the lead researcher like injects herself with the medicine

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:23.160
<v Speaker 1>or like or with the vaccine. And my sister as

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 1>a doctor, and I'm sure many doctors that watched this

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.960
<v Speaker 1>movie like it's I know it's a movie, but it's

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 1>like kind of the same idea of like what this

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:34.160
<v Speaker 1>person Dr Reynolds was like inspired by. It's like using

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 1>yourself as a martyr and using yourself as like this

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 1>hero to save the day. And and realistically that is bullshit,

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Like that is it's a cool story, but it's not

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>a medically or or factually sound and it's really dangerous.

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Like one medical professional would do that and he was like,

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:56.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Okay. The troubling part is that there

0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 1>have been a couple of really groundbreaking medical professionals who

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 1>advance medical science because they were willing to dangerously experiment

0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:07.440
<v Speaker 1>on themselves. And it's it's kind of threading a needle

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.200
<v Speaker 1>that's maybe too fine. For most people to want to

0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:11.600
<v Speaker 1>thread to say that, like, yes, people who were willing

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.160
<v Speaker 1>to do that have advanced the frontiers of knowledge before,

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.800
<v Speaker 1>and also to say, but it's still a bad idea

0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:20.799
<v Speaker 1>and we should have moved past that. Like right in

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fucking twenty nine, some doctor who can't get approval

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 1>is like, well, fuck it, I'm just gonna try to

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 1>stint my own fucking heart. And it works, and it's

0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 1>good that it did. Um, but also that was like

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.600
<v Speaker 1>a century ago and we should not have to do

0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 1>that anymore. Yeah, I mean, I totally agree with you.

0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I totally agree that, Like there are some cases where

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:44.600
<v Speaker 1>it's really been like groundbreaking and progress medicine. But I

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 1>think the fact that this doctor like was is caught

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 1>up in that particular narrative. It's a kind of telling

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:53.440
<v Speaker 1>of the kind of doctor he was even trying to be,

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Like he's more consumed with the story, He's not really

0:47:56.600 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>consumed with the medicine. You've hit on an incredibly important

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.880
<v Speaker 1>point that he's consumed with the story, and the story

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 1>gets wilder from here on out. So strap in sharene

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be fun. Yeah. So, as that video goes on,

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Dr Reynolds goes on to say that he read a

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of papers. I think he says thousands, and I

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:21.320
<v Speaker 1>don't think there are thousands which showed that PRP treatments

0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:23.479
<v Speaker 1>were effective in reducing signs of aging on the face,

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 1>which again, yeah, the evidence and also the evidence is

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:31.920
<v Speaker 1>not overwhelming on that um. And so as a result

0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:34.280
<v Speaker 1>of reading a lot of papers, he decided to start

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:38.200
<v Speaker 1>experimenting on himself with PRP facial treatments before he started

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:41.799
<v Speaker 1>shooting stuff into other people's genitalia. Now, since he was

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:46.000
<v Speaker 1>legally barred from conducting clinical trials, he just drumped right

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:49.799
<v Speaker 1>into experimenting on people with his own PRP facial treatments. Uh.

0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Dr Reynolds began marketing them under the trademark name Vampire

0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Facelift UM, and I sorry, I got it wrong early.

0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I said he's responsible for the vampire facial. His trademark

0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:01.239
<v Speaker 1>name is the Vampire Face Lift. And you will see

0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:04.040
<v Speaker 1>when people advertise that they do vampire facials, they're actually

0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:08.480
<v Speaker 1>tech like legally ripping him off, um because his is

0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:12.440
<v Speaker 1>the vampire facelift. Yeah, I don't care, but it's from

0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 1>a legal standpoint, it's important. He had acne he did

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:22.360
<v Speaker 1>have acne. Now in this video, he claims that coming

0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:25.200
<v Speaker 1>up with he decided he had to trademark this thing

0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:29.239
<v Speaker 1>before there was really any hard evidence that it worked, because, uh,

0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:31.600
<v Speaker 1>that's this would be important for him being able to

0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 1>responsibly treat people. See if he just called his PRP

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 1>for his story and for his finances, if he just

0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:42.880
<v Speaker 1>called He says that if he just called this like

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:46.240
<v Speaker 1>PRP facial by the names other people were using, vampire

0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 1>therapy was a common name, then any bullshit doctor could

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:51.880
<v Speaker 1>claim to be providing his therapy. And what if they

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:54.480
<v Speaker 1>accidentally hurt someone? So he claims that he had to

0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 1>trade market so that he could avoid people getting hurt. Um, Yeah,

0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:02.880
<v Speaker 1>that nonsense, But I think that's nonsense. Vampire Facelift is

0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:05.440
<v Speaker 1>a good media ready name, and trademarking it allowed him

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:08.360
<v Speaker 1>to license his treatment to other doctors and make passive

0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:11.759
<v Speaker 1>income from thousands of practitioners that he trains, often in

0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 1>online courses, who basically act as franchise ease. Uh. Interestingly enough,

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Charles denies uh that anything he does is that what

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.680
<v Speaker 1>he does is anything like franchising. So he says that

0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:25.400
<v Speaker 1>like this is not franchising. What I'm doing, and in

0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:27.839
<v Speaker 1>the same breath that he claims it's not like franchising,

0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 1>he compares the name vampire Facelift to the trademark golden

0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:36.840
<v Speaker 1>arches of McDonald's, which is amazing. Yeah, he's it's pretty

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:40.520
<v Speaker 1>That whole video is pretty fun to listen to. So

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Charles insists the whole reason that he did this was

0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:46.279
<v Speaker 1>to ensure a consistent standard of care and insist that

0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 1>everyone abide by the same stringent practices he does, and

0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:53.560
<v Speaker 1>spoilers someone advertising a knockoff vampire facial like a year ago,

0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 1>got two people infected with hiv um and they weren't

0:50:57.640 --> 0:51:01.399
<v Speaker 1>people that runld That trade had rain so he was like, well, look,

0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:03.359
<v Speaker 1>this is what I'm saying, Like, these people are using

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:05.839
<v Speaker 1>a knockoff and they got folks sick. But it's like, yeah,

0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.600
<v Speaker 1>they got folks to buy their treatment by using the

0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 1>name that was as close as possible to the one

0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:16.160
<v Speaker 1>you use. Um. Yeah. Anyway, So for the next couple

0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:18.400
<v Speaker 1>of years, Dr Runnelds made a name for himself and

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 1>a new fortune as the inventor of the vampire Facelift.

0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:23.480
<v Speaker 1>His dream of injecting people's blood back into their own

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:25.800
<v Speaker 1>vagina as though had to lay dormant for a while

0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:28.799
<v Speaker 1>as he grappled with fame and expanded his clinic. But then,

0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:31.880
<v Speaker 1>as Dr Rynolds tells it, one day, fate in the

0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:37.080
<v Speaker 1>form of his girlfriend forced his hand. Oh buddy, we

0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:41.240
<v Speaker 1>are heading in for one of the most irresponsible stories

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:44.520
<v Speaker 1>of a medical experimentation I I can conceive of, and

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:48.440
<v Speaker 1>it is a fun one. So as Dr Rynolds tells

0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:51.800
<v Speaker 1>this story, uh yeah, there's a number of different versions

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 1>of the story that he's he's given. I prefer the

0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:55.680
<v Speaker 1>one written up by a journalist from The Guardian who

0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:58.160
<v Speaker 1>interviewed Runnels, and I'm going to read that now. Quote

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Charles Rynolds. Lover's surprised him at his office, demanding that

0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:05.120
<v Speaker 1>he inject blood into her clitteress as a Valentine's Day present.

0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:07.959
<v Speaker 1>She hiked up her dress, hopped onto the exam table,

0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:10.160
<v Speaker 1>and motioned for Rynolds to put on his head lamp.

0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:12.680
<v Speaker 1>She explained that she'd been watching him inject his own

0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 1>penis with blood for about a year, and that while

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:18.120
<v Speaker 1>his bigger and stronger erections had been fun, she'd grown

0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:21.320
<v Speaker 1>tired of the one sided sexual enhancement. It was her turn,

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:24.319
<v Speaker 1>so Runolds bowed between her legs, numbed her clitter us

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:27.000
<v Speaker 1>with an ice cube, and shot her up. I don't

0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:28.880
<v Speaker 1>know how graphic you can be with this thing, he

0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:31.200
<v Speaker 1>said over the phone, pausing mid story to ask me

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:34.359
<v Speaker 1>about the Guardians policy and discussing orgasms. But the next

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:36.640
<v Speaker 1>afternoon she came to see me, and her orgasms came

0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 1>more quickly, very strong ejaculatory orgasms. The passion, the thunder,

0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the sound she was making, he sighed at the memory.

0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>That's when I thought I should try this on my patients.

0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:54.480
<v Speaker 1>And I know the fucking the doctors listening to this

0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:58.040
<v Speaker 1>have their fucking jaws on the floor right now. Oh

0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:03.920
<v Speaker 1>my fucking god. Yeah, that is a story, another chapter

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:09.000
<v Speaker 1>in this story. I hate him also like if this

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:13.839
<v Speaker 1>umh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, I

0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 1>just thought I should, Yeah, I should try this on

0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:20.440
<v Speaker 1>my patients. It's amazing. So I'm not a doctor. Saw you.

0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:23.279
<v Speaker 1>I saw you injecting your penis this whole time, and

0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I was give me some of that good blood. So um,

0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a doctor, but the American Medical Association is

0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:35.719
<v Speaker 1>a doctor, and it seems to me and to Dr

0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:37.759
<v Speaker 1>Jim Gunter, from whom I found This pointed out that

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 1>this whole story is a very clear violation of the

0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Code of Medical Ethics, which states, quote, romantic or sexual

0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 1>interactions between physicians and patients that occur concurrently with the

0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:51.040
<v Speaker 1>patient physician relationship are unethical. Such interactions detract from the

0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:53.680
<v Speaker 1>goals of the patient physician relationship and may exploit the

0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:56.839
<v Speaker 1>vulnerability of the patient, compromise the physician's ability to make

0:53:56.880 --> 0:54:00.440
<v Speaker 1>objective judgments about the patient's healthcare, and ultimately be trimental

0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:03.320
<v Speaker 1>to the patient's well being, which shouldn't need to be said,

0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:06.360
<v Speaker 1>but is written up there. Uh and this seems like

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:09.640
<v Speaker 1>a clear violation of that to me. Um, I love that.

0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:11.960
<v Speaker 1>He added that she was like, grab your head lamb.

0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Like that's just like a clear like the keys making

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.399
<v Speaker 1>this up. No, girlfriend is like, oh my god, grab

0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:23.479
<v Speaker 1>your needle and your head lamp Like no, yeah, it's

0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:26.760
<v Speaker 1>something else. So Dr Rynolds tells the story to reporters

0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:29.080
<v Speaker 1>as if it is a charming anecdote. Um, And the

0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:31.640
<v Speaker 1>reason why he thinks this is charming is very much

0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:33.920
<v Speaker 1>rooted in his idolization of Dr Forceman, the guy you

0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:37.040
<v Speaker 1>did that hard surgery, and himself. So yeah, enforcement experimenting

0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:40.240
<v Speaker 1>on himself. He was exiled from mainstream medicine for his boldness,

0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:42.759
<v Speaker 1>but he was eventually recognized as a medical pioneer and

0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:46.680
<v Speaker 1>a genius. Um Reynolds wants so badly to identify himself

0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:49.359
<v Speaker 1>with Forceman that he includes this line in the who

0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:52.319
<v Speaker 1>is section of his website quote, I actually pulled up

0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Dr Forceman story on Wikipedia and read it for a

0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 1>few minutes to get psyched out before I injected my

0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:00.399
<v Speaker 1>own penis with p RP, which I did twice before

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 1>I injected any other person's penis or clitterers slash vagina. Now,

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:06.840
<v Speaker 1>some people might equipal with the fact that he's equating

0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:09.800
<v Speaker 1>himself and his orgasm medicine experiments with a doctor struggling

0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:11.760
<v Speaker 1>to cope with a way to save heart disease patients.

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:14.120
<v Speaker 1>But I actually think that sexual health is incredibly important,

0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:16.080
<v Speaker 1>so I'm not going to like ding him on that.

0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:18.080
<v Speaker 1>What I will ding him for is the fact that

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 1>doctor Reynolds clearly never cared about anything but rushing to

0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:23.240
<v Speaker 1>patent his treatment so he could ring the most possible

0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:25.759
<v Speaker 1>money out of it. Dr Forceman, on the other hand,

0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:28.799
<v Speaker 1>spent decades as either a small town doctor or a

0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:32.600
<v Speaker 1>frontline military doctor. He turned down impressive jobs and titles

0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:34.640
<v Speaker 1>when they were offered to him because they he felt

0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:37.880
<v Speaker 1>they exceeded his depth of confidence. Um, he was a

0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:41.280
<v Speaker 1>pretty humble guy. Whatever else you want to say about him, Um,

0:55:41.320 --> 0:55:44.520
<v Speaker 1>and his innovations contributed to medical science. None of those

0:55:44.520 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 1>things can be said about Dr Ronalds, although I am

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:50.040
<v Speaker 1>glad he moved from on from experimenting on homeless people

0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:52.480
<v Speaker 1>to experimenting on his own dick, I guess that's a

0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:55.720
<v Speaker 1>step forward. I mean, yeah, it's it's it's the step

0:55:55.760 --> 0:56:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I prefer. I would prefer injecting himself and injecting innocent people,

0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:05.440
<v Speaker 1>that is, homeless people. But his his claim that like,

0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:08.279
<v Speaker 1>first of all, two times, if you're only to like

0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:11.560
<v Speaker 1>be like I injected myself twice before anyone else, first

0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:13.120
<v Speaker 1>of all, if you want to be serious, twice is

0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:18.879
<v Speaker 1>not enough. And also, like this just brings me back

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.080
<v Speaker 1>to my point of him being so consumed with the

0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:24.200
<v Speaker 1>story and versus the medicine, like he wants to be

0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:28.600
<v Speaker 1>a pioneer so desperately that that's all he that's all

0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:30.920
<v Speaker 1>it is, And he's clearly the way he describes the

0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:33.120
<v Speaker 1>story tells you that like he'd made his mind up

0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:36.000
<v Speaker 1>about what this was because like a real scientist doing

0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:38.240
<v Speaker 1>if they did this to themselves, might not like, Okay,

0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:40.840
<v Speaker 1>well it feels like my orgasms are better. But is

0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:44.480
<v Speaker 1>it possible that I'm just into medical kink, like like

0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:47.759
<v Speaker 1>maybe this is just what like and it's not a

0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:53.760
<v Speaker 1>groundbreaking medical treatment. Perhaps other research should be done. Um. Yeah,

0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:55.719
<v Speaker 1>but also you should never have That's a really good point.

0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 1>You should never go into anything being like I'm going

0:56:58.040 --> 0:56:59.719
<v Speaker 1>to be a pioneer because of this, Like that's the

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:04.239
<v Speaker 1>whole research and testing Like yeah, but obviously cites he read,

0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 1>he read his Wikipedia pages, cite himself up, are you shipping? Like, yeah, yours?

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:12.440
<v Speaker 1>All of this is horrible. Yeah, Now, Dr Charlie he

0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:15.040
<v Speaker 1>puts it out himself. Yeah he does because he doesn't.

0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:17.160
<v Speaker 1>He thinks this is fine and he's never really faced

0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:20.680
<v Speaker 1>consequences for it. So clearly it is sollusion because he's

0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:26.520
<v Speaker 1>attracted goddam so. Dr Charles Reynolds names another hero on

0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:30.040
<v Speaker 1>his website, Barry Marshall. Dr Barry Marshall and Marshall is

0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.160
<v Speaker 1>another doctor with a very cool story. In the early

0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:35.720
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties, Barry Marshall became convinced that peptic ulcers and

0:57:35.760 --> 0:57:39.480
<v Speaker 1>gastric cancer were both caused by a specific sort of bacterium.

0:57:39.600 --> 0:57:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Conventional medical wisdom at the time was that ulcers were

0:57:42.080 --> 0:57:45.920
<v Speaker 1>caused by stress or certain foods. Marshall was ridiculed ridiculed

0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:48.520
<v Speaker 1>at first for his hypothesis and has been quoted as

0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:51.160
<v Speaker 1>saying everyone was against me, but I knew I was right.

0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:54.560
<v Speaker 1>And Dr Marshall eventually proved his hypothesis by drinking a

0:57:54.600 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 1>culture filled with ulcer causing bacteria and giving himself an ulcer.

0:57:59.240 --> 0:58:01.560
<v Speaker 1>His work revolution suctionize the treatment of ulcers and the

0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:04.560
<v Speaker 1>prevention of gastric cancer. He was awarded a Nobel Prize

0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:07.160
<v Speaker 1>for his enormous achievement um and you can see why

0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Dr Reynolds likes this guy. Renald's writes about Dr Marshall quote,

0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:13.200
<v Speaker 1>he gave up gaining acceptance in Australia and then came

0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:15.440
<v Speaker 1>to the US, and only after the popular press started

0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:18.200
<v Speaker 1>talking about it the physicians start reading his research. He

0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:21.600
<v Speaker 1>gave himself an ulcer by drinking the bacteria. Dr Marshall

0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and his acceptance of the prize, quoted Daniel Borstein, the

0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:27.560
<v Speaker 1>greatest obstacle to knowledge is not ignorance, it is the

0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:31.640
<v Speaker 1>illusion of knowledge. Now, some of what ronalds says here

0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:34.400
<v Speaker 1>is true. Doctor Marshall did in fact give himself an ulcer,

0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:36.840
<v Speaker 1>but there's actually a lot of debate about whether or

0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:39.160
<v Speaker 1>not the medical community was wrong to be as skeptical

0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:42.000
<v Speaker 1>about his ideas as they were. Doctor Reynolds claims that

0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:45.160
<v Speaker 1>the skepticism was only because cutting out ulcers was big

0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:48.400
<v Speaker 1>business and other doctors had no financial interest in alternative treatments,

0:58:48.640 --> 0:58:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and this claim is undercut by the fact that Barry

0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Marshall received funding from a major medical institution to spend

0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:56.880
<v Speaker 1>a whole year conducting his research. He did test it

0:58:56.880 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 1>on himself eventually, but he was given funding to do

0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:03.240
<v Speaker 1>the studies that he was doing. So the idea that like,

0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:05.800
<v Speaker 1>he did face resistance people who didn't think that what

0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:10.480
<v Speaker 1>he was suggesting was reasonable. But also there was an

0:59:10.480 --> 0:59:13.160
<v Speaker 1>institution willing to let him conduct these studies in a

0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:16.520
<v Speaker 1>controlled and and scientific way. Um, So it's not like

0:59:16.560 --> 0:59:19.720
<v Speaker 1>he was completely alone, like an institution was like, yeah,

0:59:19.720 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 1>there's enough merit to your case that, like, here's some funding,

0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:27.080
<v Speaker 1>figure it out. Um. You can argue that doctors were

0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:29.800
<v Speaker 1>more skeptical than they should have been. But Dr Marshall

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:31.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't just give himself an ulcer and say, see, I've

0:59:31.880 --> 0:59:34.520
<v Speaker 1>solved the problem. He had a research partner, he had

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:37.800
<v Speaker 1>lab assistance, He worked at an institution. When he proved

0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:41.560
<v Speaker 1>his hypothesis, more test tests were conducted, and more research

0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:44.520
<v Speaker 1>was done until an effective treatment was devised. This is

0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:48.440
<v Speaker 1>how medical science is supposed to work. By contrast, Dr

0:59:48.520 --> 0:59:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Reynolds did not do go from shooting his own dick

0:59:51.160 --> 0:59:53.880
<v Speaker 1>or his girlfriend's labia full of blood to conducting double

0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:57.400
<v Speaker 1>blind clinical trials. Um this would be difficult because he's

0:59:57.400 --> 0:59:59.480
<v Speaker 1>been banned from doing that sort of work due due

0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:03.200
<v Speaker 1>to his shame a criminal conduct, borderline criminal conduct. Instead,

1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:05.880
<v Speaker 1>he left right to not just he left right to

1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:09.160
<v Speaker 1>selling the O shot. So like the they didn't do,

1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:11.680
<v Speaker 1>he didn't do what Marshall did. He just starts marketing

1:00:11.680 --> 1:00:14.640
<v Speaker 1>this thing. After he decides it's effective. That should be

1:00:14.680 --> 1:00:18.280
<v Speaker 1>a fucking crime. That should be a fucking crime. Seems

1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:21.360
<v Speaker 1>like it ought to, but it's not. And he started

1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:24.360
<v Speaker 1>selling and conducting training sessions so other doctors could could

1:00:24.360 --> 1:00:26.800
<v Speaker 1>sell the O shot too. As of this moment, he's

1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:29.480
<v Speaker 1>trained at least five hundred medical practitioners and more than

1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:33.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty women have had the UH the O shot UH

1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:36.959
<v Speaker 1>done on them. Runnalds estimates that it has an eighty

1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:40.400
<v Speaker 1>five percent success rate, based mainly off of how he feels,

1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:43.280
<v Speaker 1>because again, no conclusive clinical trials have been done on

1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:46.120
<v Speaker 1>this treatment. He does have like one or two small

1:00:46.160 --> 1:00:49.840
<v Speaker 1>batch studies about its efficacy at treating other things that

1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:52.720
<v Speaker 1>he cites as evidence that the O shot works. However,

1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:55.160
<v Speaker 1>as Dr jin Gunter notes about one of the studies,

1:00:55.400 --> 1:00:57.960
<v Speaker 1>the only study of vaginal injections listed on Dr Reynolds's

1:00:58.040 --> 1:01:00.400
<v Speaker 1>website is in is the Journal of Women's Health Care

1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:03.479
<v Speaker 1>and open access journal from o Mix Publishing Group, which

1:01:03.480 --> 1:01:07.240
<v Speaker 1>has been listed as a potentially predatory journal. Now there's

1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:10.080
<v Speaker 1>no universally agreed upon definition of a predatory journal, but

1:01:10.120 --> 1:01:13.240
<v Speaker 1>most of them are basically self publishing platforms for scientists.

1:01:13.520 --> 1:01:15.960
<v Speaker 1>They allow you to publish a study for a fee,

1:01:16.040 --> 1:01:19.000
<v Speaker 1>and they provide no editing or peer review process because

1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:20.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them don't actually care about putting out

1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:24.280
<v Speaker 1>good information. Some of these just like ship posting yourself yourself.

1:01:24.320 --> 1:01:27.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like medium for scientists. Yeah, exactly, I was just

1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:31.880
<v Speaker 1>thinking about uh. Gunter continues quote regardless of the journal.

1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:33.760
<v Speaker 1>It is a stretch to call this paper a study.

1:01:33.840 --> 1:01:36.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a case series of eleven women with a variety

1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:40.520
<v Speaker 1>of sexual complaints raging from disperunia UH to orgasmic disorder

1:01:40.960 --> 1:01:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the sexual dysfunction experienced by a woman with disperunia. Never

1:01:43.880 --> 1:01:45.640
<v Speaker 1>mind that there are a multitude of very different conditions

1:01:45.640 --> 1:01:47.400
<v Speaker 1>that can cause disperunia, so it really shouldn't be a

1:01:47.400 --> 1:01:49.840
<v Speaker 1>single diagnosis in the study cannot be compared with the

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<v Speaker 1>sexual dysfunction of a woman with an arousal disorder. The

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<v Speaker 1>results of the eleven women six reported some kind of improvement,

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<v Speaker 1>but honestly the statistics are of no value given the

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<v Speaker 1>small samples eyes and the fact that there are four

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<v Speaker 1>very different diagnoses lumped together. I also can't tell if

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<v Speaker 1>it was retrospective or perspective. The two women who had

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<v Speaker 1>minimal procedure pro procedure dysfunction reported extreme arousal for one

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<v Speaker 1>to two weeks afterwards. This is the only bad effect

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<v Speaker 1>noted in the twelve to sixteen week follow up. The

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<v Speaker 1>paper is a very short follow up, but Dr Reynolds's

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<v Speaker 1>website claims the oh shot last at least eighteen months,

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<v Speaker 1>but up to three years for some women. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>just nothing really to back him up. Um, he has

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<v Speaker 1>paid to have enough of something that looks enough like

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<v Speaker 1>a study performed that he can claim that he's gotten

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<v Speaker 1>medical backing and no more because a real study might

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<v Speaker 1>reveal But this doesn't work very well, so that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>That just makes me so mad. And I'm realizing now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm realizing now that I didn't really have to divulge

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<v Speaker 1>or like or like a broadcast that I'm like struggled

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<v Speaker 1>with this thing because I don't know why. I just

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<v Speaker 1>felt the needs just like be so candid. I just

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<v Speaker 1>have no absolutely no filter. But I will say, think

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<v Speaker 1>about this stuff is so important because if someone had

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it the way I'm talking about it when

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<v Speaker 1>I was younger, I wouldn't have felt like such a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking freak and I wouldn't have felt like such a

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<v Speaker 1>like a just like like I wouldn't have not felt

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<v Speaker 1>human in my inability to feel this very human thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I like was thinking that maybe like I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have said it, but now I'm like doubling down

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just the the reality that I'm even having

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<v Speaker 1>that thought, Like if women are continually afraid to even

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<v Speaker 1>breach the subject or or or broach the subject, rather

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<v Speaker 1>encourages people like this fucking just disgusting human being taking

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of women that are so desperate to feel something

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<v Speaker 1>and just like understand what receiving pleasure is like. And

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<v Speaker 1>like I can do all my homework, I can like

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<v Speaker 1>like like practice all these things, I can buy toys

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but I am going to be I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to know my body better than any fucking hack ever will,

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<v Speaker 1>And like women should be encouraged to really do that

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<v Speaker 1>more so than I don't know, I'm just I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>getting heated. I'm getting this is a frustrating story. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very frustrating story. Um because like yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>all grifters, he's praying on a real vulnerability, Like this

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<v Speaker 1>is a thing that like like like like women who

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<v Speaker 1>you know are are struggling with the thing that you've

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<v Speaker 1>been very open about struggling with. That's a painful vulnerability.

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<v Speaker 1>And he knows that it means he can fleece them

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<v Speaker 1>for a shipload of money. Um yeah, and it's that's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously has and he's meant He's become a very wealthy

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<v Speaker 1>from it. Yeah, Yeah, exactly, like that's that's that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>just infuriating. Yeah, it gets infuriating her. Dr Gunter has

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<v Speaker 1>done a lot of like looking into this guy's like

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<v Speaker 1>like digital presence. She notes that in the paper that

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<v Speaker 1>he had published that's purporting to be a real study

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<v Speaker 1>about this stuff, he listed his address as medical school,

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<v Speaker 1>Comma Birmingham, Comma Alabama, Comma USA. This is not a

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<v Speaker 1>medical school. Yeah, he just stuck medical school on his

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<v Speaker 1>address because he knows that no one looking to get

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<v Speaker 1>this treatment will check any further. Um, yeah, it's awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>now do yeah. Yeah. And in Dr Gunter's opinion, the

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<v Speaker 1>most unsettling thing about kind of the lack of information

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<v Speaker 1>about the efficacy of the O shot is that there

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<v Speaker 1>are no animal studies to show how the vaginal epithelium

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<v Speaker 1>might respond to p RP. Quote. The bulk of the

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<v Speaker 1>published studies involved wounds and tendons muscles, not healthy vaginal tissue.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a very important point because it is possible

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<v Speaker 1>that PRP could increase the growth of blood vessels into

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<v Speaker 1>vaginal tissues, and we don't know if that is good

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<v Speaker 1>or bad. If a woman has human pamplona virus in

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<v Speaker 1>her vagina and gets a p RP injection that could

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<v Speaker 1>cause the HPV to spread or make it more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to develop into cancer. Could it cause scarring? Could it

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<v Speaker 1>lead to unregular lated growth of nerve endings and cause pain?

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<v Speaker 1>Could it trigger trigger autoimmune conditions of the vagina revolva?

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<v Speaker 1>She's pointing out, we just don't know, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>why you don't start injecting performing a treatment in tens

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of women when we don't know any of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, like you research it for you, Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>a case you never jump to human trial. You never

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<v Speaker 1>do that. There there is a case for hastening human

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<v Speaker 1>trials in the event of, say a horrific plague spreading

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<v Speaker 1>over the land, and you really need to get a

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<v Speaker 1>vaccine out fastest. There's a cost benefit analysis that can

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<v Speaker 1>be done, and things can be accelerated. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>not an immediate life or death issue, like orgasms are important,

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<v Speaker 1>but we can take the time to make sure this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't going to cause horrible damage to the people getting

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<v Speaker 1>the shot, Like right, this isn't like a vaccine for

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<v Speaker 1>a death plague. You know, we have the time and

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<v Speaker 1>energy being given to it to make it so we

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<v Speaker 1>can do it right, Like, this is a serious issue,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not. It's just for a for a medical standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>you never like it's it's just it's very frustrating. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very frustrating. So after all this, we've established, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how reckless this guy is and how unproven his treatment is.

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<v Speaker 1>And the question that follows, naturally is why do you

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<v Speaker 1>keep people keep buying it? And the answer for that

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<v Speaker 1>is is really fucking sad. And it ties into the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff we're talking about at the top of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of women are a lot of people with

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<v Speaker 1>vaginas can't organize or orgasm reliably, and the best treatment

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<v Speaker 1>for this seems to be a combination of therapy and

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<v Speaker 1>having a committed partner who cares about your understanding or

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<v Speaker 1>cares about understanding your body. Um, you can't prescribe that right,

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<v Speaker 1>like to a certain extent, you can't. You can't like

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<v Speaker 1>no doctor can like write that on a sheet and

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<v Speaker 1>hand it out to you. Um. Falling in love, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least falling in like enough to have regular sex

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<v Speaker 1>is not easy. Um. And so Dr Runnelds offers an

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<v Speaker 1>easy answer, an injectable answer to what is really a

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<v Speaker 1>very complicated question. And this helps explain the demand for

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<v Speaker 1>dr orgasms services, but it doesn't explain why so many

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<v Speaker 1>women do swear by his work. And for that explanation,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have to turn back to that article

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<v Speaker 1>in The Guardian by Kathleen Hale. The opening paragraphs of

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<v Speaker 1>this article about Runnals are filled with more red flags

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<v Speaker 1>than a Communist Party rally. And I'm gonna quote here Runnalds.

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<v Speaker 1>His office isn't like anything. Isn't anything like the sterile

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<v Speaker 1>exam rooms most women associate with gynecological exams. It's intimate,

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<v Speaker 1>personal and cozy because in addition to treating thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>patients there over the years, he also lives there. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a small entry way. The small entry way opens up

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<v Speaker 1>to a living room dominated by jim equipment. In the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>I found a functioning shower and shelves filled with employees toiletries.

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<v Speaker 1>The only examination table was separated from the kitchen by

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<v Speaker 1>a curtain. Pamela, Julian Vivianne. The three women on Renalds

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<v Speaker 1>is four person staff greeted me with open arms in

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<v Speaker 1>order to better understand what they promoted. Pamela and Vivian

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<v Speaker 1>told me they both had O shots administered by Runnels. Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>the sole male employee, opted for the male version a

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<v Speaker 1>P shot. If you're like me, that stuff gives you

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<v Speaker 1>some flashbacks to to Dr John Brown, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy we talked about who did horrific surgeries from

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<v Speaker 1>his own home on on trans people. UM. It's generally

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<v Speaker 1>not considered ideal for a doctor to perform operations in

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<v Speaker 1>his own home, but it's also not impossible for such

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<v Speaker 1>a situation to be sterile, and I have not heard

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<v Speaker 1>any allegations that Dr Reynolds is set up violates any

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<v Speaker 1>health codes. UM. The part where all of his employees

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<v Speaker 1>used the medicine that he makes is real culty in

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a flag though UM and the cult

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<v Speaker 1>vibes don't decline. As the article goes on, quote, as

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<v Speaker 1>we awaited for the arrival of my first interview subject,

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<v Speaker 1>Lacy Reynolds suggested that I might want to try the

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<v Speaker 1>O shot for myself. You'll love it, Vivian said. She

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<v Speaker 1>told me that doctors regularly flew in from all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world to be trained in the procedure, and that

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<v Speaker 1>initially they reacted to offers of free O shots, just

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<v Speaker 1>as I had, with a mix of embarrassment and surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>but by the end she said everyone wanted one. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of I can kind of understand, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you go to a dentist or orthodontist, you want everyone

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<v Speaker 1>there to have straight teeth, right, like you want everyone

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<v Speaker 1>there to have had braces or whatever. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>completely be different, Like it's not the same thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I do think I think the fact that it's in

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<v Speaker 1>a house and not in a more sterile place, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that lends to getting these women to trust him,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's more intimate, and it's more it is you're, you're, you're,

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<v Speaker 1>you're praying on them in very emotional mental ways that

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<v Speaker 1>they don't even realize it's you're you're making them feel

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<v Speaker 1>like they're yeah, that that that they're safe, but they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>And it feels like the kind of classes he does

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<v Speaker 1>with the doctors, the in person ones at least, are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like that too. Um. There's a line in

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<v Speaker 1>here where Reynolds laughs quote recalling how the last class

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<v Speaker 1>had run until three in the morning just to accommodate demand,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says it's like a Baptist revival. Except you're

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<v Speaker 1>injecting each other's genitals. I know that's sucking wild Yeah now, hay.

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<v Speaker 1>This Guardian All article by Kathleen Hale also notes that

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<v Speaker 1>the location for Renalds is off this, which is fair Hope.

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama is in the middle of the Bible Belt, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a place where vibrators are illegal due to the

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<v Speaker 1>state's anti obscenity laws. Um. Where I grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>Texas was like that too. They had to market them

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<v Speaker 1>as cake toppers, like as like decorations for like cakes

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<v Speaker 1>for bachelorette parties and stuff, even though yeah, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's illegal to sell a vibrator because Texas hates hates women. Um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's crazy. I had no idea. Yeah. And and the

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<v Speaker 1>data here is imperfect. Um, but there is a decent

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<v Speaker 1>amount of data that suggests that highly religious women, and

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<v Speaker 1>particularly like religiously orthodox type women, are more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>suffer from orgasmic disorders than secular women. Um. And the

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<v Speaker 1>women hail in views, I can. I can tell you why.

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<v Speaker 1>I can. Obviously, Like you're grown your you grow up

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<v Speaker 1>with shame around your body, and that shame has this you.

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<v Speaker 1>You have this inability to really let go and experience pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Like obviously that makes sense, but he's like pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>taking advantage of that, Like he's capitalizing on this group

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<v Speaker 1>of women having the issue that he is pretending to

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<v Speaker 1>know how to solve. Yes, And it makes sense that

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<v Speaker 1>this guy who otherwise you would expect a doctor like

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<v Speaker 1>this to be like in Los Angeles. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>picked his location. I think he decided to stay in

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama for a reason, and it's that he's very good

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<v Speaker 1>at manipulating this particular kind of of person, very like

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<v Speaker 1>religious conservative ladies who have orgasmic disorders, and he's good

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<v Speaker 1>at making them trust him. Um. Yeah, yeah Hale's article. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's um. The women that Hale interviews for that

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<v Speaker 1>article described themselves overwhelmingly as um very empathetic, Bible believing

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<v Speaker 1>Christians like the women who have gotten this shot, and

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<v Speaker 1>an outsized number of them are unfortunately victims of raper

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<v Speaker 1>sexual assault. UM quote. Lacy and athletic, forty year old

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<v Speaker 1>businesswoman told no one when she was raped for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time at age thirteen, but soon her father noticed

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<v Speaker 1>something different about her and started calling her horror and

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<v Speaker 1>a lesbian. Physical abuse followed when Lacey's next rapist. Her

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<v Speaker 1>husband found himself unable to climax unless Lacey was in

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<v Speaker 1>excruciating pain. He raped her throughout their tenure relationship. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and the damage from this left her, at

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine years old with um incontinence uh and scarring UM.

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<v Speaker 1>She went the bed uh and she was just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of unable to orgasm. UM. Doctors responded to her condition

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<v Speaker 1>concerns by suggesting she used lube with her partners and

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<v Speaker 1>undergo psychotherapy. UM. And by age thirty, Lacey never expected

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<v Speaker 1>to experience sexual pleasure again. UM. She tried using a

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<v Speaker 1>back massager to stimulate herself, but it left a callous

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<v Speaker 1>on her clitteress. UM. So she just didn't know how to. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's just a victim of of of unbelievable abuse, UM

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<v Speaker 1>who did not know how to like like like like

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<v Speaker 1>who was maybe getting some psych psychological counseling, but because

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<v Speaker 1>of where she lived and sort of like the the

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<v Speaker 1>culture she was in, was not able to really talk

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<v Speaker 1>about sex with anyone and never had that conversation, never

1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:03.000
<v Speaker 1>had a conversation about how to masturbate. And then she

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<v Speaker 1>meets Dr Reynolds UM and they meet at a bank

1:14:06.520 --> 1:14:08.800
<v Speaker 1>and she learns what he does, and she confides in

1:14:08.880 --> 1:14:11.320
<v Speaker 1>him that she can't orgasm, and he tells her that

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<v Speaker 1>he knows something that might help, and I get the feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>She says that he gave her the O shot and

1:14:16.680 --> 1:14:19.519
<v Speaker 1>she immediately felt alive down there. You get the feeling though,

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<v Speaker 1>that also they're having just conversations about sex and maybe

1:14:23.160 --> 1:14:25.680
<v Speaker 1>she's never gotten to have that. He's giving her an

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<v Speaker 1>intimacy she's never known. And I don't want to I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to discredit any of what these women have

1:14:30.880 --> 1:14:33.439
<v Speaker 1>felt or no, no, no, but there is a level

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<v Speaker 1>of placebo that goes into this, like you, it's leading

1:14:37.920 --> 1:14:40.519
<v Speaker 1>up to it, just like the connection with with the

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<v Speaker 1>with the women, the this promise of of like just

1:14:44.640 --> 1:14:47.160
<v Speaker 1>like everyone telling them it's going to work, the staff

1:14:47.200 --> 1:14:49.479
<v Speaker 1>and everything like, there's going to be a certain amount

1:14:49.520 --> 1:14:52.080
<v Speaker 1>of placebo that just by default is there because it's

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<v Speaker 1>so high and and the data we have makes it

1:14:55.720 --> 1:15:01.040
<v Speaker 1>very clear that having healthy conversations about your your genitalia

1:15:01.120 --> 1:15:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and about sex with people who care about you, or

1:15:04.080 --> 1:15:06.800
<v Speaker 1>at least seem to care about you really helps with

1:15:06.920 --> 1:15:10.040
<v Speaker 1>an orgasmic disorder. That's a super important part of treating

1:15:10.080 --> 1:15:13.000
<v Speaker 1>it and there's again this is part of why, like

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<v Speaker 1>why you need an actual study on something like this,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's no separation for like the conversations they're having

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<v Speaker 1>in like the intimacy of the encounter and the shot,

1:15:21.800 --> 1:15:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Like none of that's being separated. There's no way to

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<v Speaker 1>know what the shot is doing, if actually anything, because

1:15:26.600 --> 1:15:28.479
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot is wrapped up in all of these

1:15:28.479 --> 1:15:31.760
<v Speaker 1>women's stories with Dr Reynolds and that's but that just

1:15:31.840 --> 1:15:34.680
<v Speaker 1>helps in Yeah, it does help him it, but it

1:15:34.680 --> 1:15:36.960
<v Speaker 1>does not necessarily help these women. It doesn't help us

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<v Speaker 1>to know if this thing actually works. Um. Yeah, which

1:15:41.280 --> 1:15:43.880
<v Speaker 1>is why skeptics like Dr jin Gunter will point out

1:15:44.160 --> 1:15:46.920
<v Speaker 1>that anecdotal data is not the same as scientific data.

1:15:47.120 --> 1:15:49.040
<v Speaker 1>And she points that out, pointed that out to Kathleen

1:15:49.080 --> 1:15:51.439
<v Speaker 1>Hale and the Guardian article because Hale talked to Dr

1:15:51.479 --> 1:15:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Gunter um and Hale understood that, but also had a

1:15:55.360 --> 1:15:58.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of trouble writing off these women's experiences. Um. She

1:15:58.320 --> 1:16:01.200
<v Speaker 1>was clearly convinced to it a read by their embrace

1:16:01.240 --> 1:16:03.000
<v Speaker 1>of the O shot. And it's very convincing when you

1:16:03.000 --> 1:16:05.960
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of people say this thing helped me. Um.

1:16:06.120 --> 1:16:09.240
<v Speaker 1>She did ask Renalds, though, why he tended to gravitate

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<v Speaker 1>towards trauma victims, and his answer was interesting. He responded, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know why I'm surrounded by people who

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<v Speaker 1>have pain. I do absolutely make a conscious effort to

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<v Speaker 1>find them. I think my real usefulness evolves out of

1:16:21.360 --> 1:16:26.320
<v Speaker 1>It's not even compassion, it's more like obsession, which is yeah,

1:16:26.560 --> 1:16:29.400
<v Speaker 1>more of an honest answer, Yeah, it should be right,

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<v Speaker 1>what the yeah? And that is that's there is a

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<v Speaker 1>reason why cult leaders gravitate towards abuse victims, as do grifters.

1:16:41.320 --> 1:16:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Um Because in general, our society doesn't a ship job

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<v Speaker 1>of taking care of these people. Um. And it's a

1:16:46.360 --> 1:16:48.840
<v Speaker 1>natural human need to respond to people who reach out

1:16:48.880 --> 1:16:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and show compassion for you in times of lonely darkness.

1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:55.599
<v Speaker 1>And I think this explains part of Dr Reynolds's success UM.

1:16:55.680 --> 1:16:58.160
<v Speaker 1>And another part of it is explained by what's called

1:16:58.240 --> 1:17:02.320
<v Speaker 1>placebo theater, which is very well documented fact that receiving

1:17:02.400 --> 1:17:05.839
<v Speaker 1>any kind of treatment in a clinical medical setting, especially

1:17:05.840 --> 1:17:08.760
<v Speaker 1>if it's expensive, will increase a patient's belief that the

1:17:08.800 --> 1:17:11.519
<v Speaker 1>treatment will work and actually increase the efficacy of the treatment.

1:17:11.520 --> 1:17:14.080
<v Speaker 1>This is a placebo effect thing, and it doesn't help

1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:17.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot when you're treating metastatic cancer. But a lot

1:17:17.320 --> 1:17:20.960
<v Speaker 1>of orgasm. Orgasm is mental, right, Like, that's where the

1:17:20.960 --> 1:17:22.840
<v Speaker 1>block comes up for a lot of people. And it's

1:17:22.880 --> 1:17:25.600
<v Speaker 1>not unheard of four placebos to be effective enough to

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<v Speaker 1>sixty percent of cases for these sorts of situations, because again,

1:17:29.760 --> 1:17:31.840
<v Speaker 1>you don't actually have to physically affect, you just have

1:17:31.880 --> 1:17:33.960
<v Speaker 1>to make them believe, like, and if they believe it

1:17:34.000 --> 1:17:37.760
<v Speaker 1>will work. This is primarily a mental block. That's all

1:17:37.800 --> 1:17:39.599
<v Speaker 1>it is. I mean not all it is. There's more.

1:17:40.320 --> 1:17:42.400
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of it. Yeah, a big part of

1:17:42.439 --> 1:17:45.479
<v Speaker 1>the research that I've been doing personally, like it's it's

1:17:45.520 --> 1:17:48.679
<v Speaker 1>a they talk a lot about letting go and ways

1:17:48.720 --> 1:17:54.679
<v Speaker 1>to make your mind, Yeah, like let go essentially of everything.

1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:58.000
<v Speaker 1>That's like, because there's this pressure around even achieving the

1:17:58.040 --> 1:18:02.760
<v Speaker 1>word achieving an orgasm is like so I think counterintuitive

1:18:02.800 --> 1:18:06.240
<v Speaker 1>because it makes it seem like you're reaching for something constantly,

1:18:06.280 --> 1:18:08.720
<v Speaker 1>and if you're having sex with a partner, at least

1:18:08.760 --> 1:18:12.360
<v Speaker 1>in my experience, I always felt like I'm never going

1:18:12.400 --> 1:18:14.320
<v Speaker 1>to give them what they want because I can't do

1:18:14.360 --> 1:18:16.559
<v Speaker 1>this thing that I'm supposed to be doing. And so

1:18:16.600 --> 1:18:18.960
<v Speaker 1>then I then I get really into like giving rather

1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:21.160
<v Speaker 1>than receiving. And I get a lot of pleasure out

1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:23.320
<v Speaker 1>of that. But then it kind of like when you're

1:18:24.040 --> 1:18:28.840
<v Speaker 1>really grappling with this idea of um, yeah, the fact

1:18:28.840 --> 1:18:31.240
<v Speaker 1>that it's all mental. It's all mental, because if you're

1:18:31.439 --> 1:18:35.600
<v Speaker 1>too consumed with I'm I can't do this thing, or

1:18:35.800 --> 1:18:37.639
<v Speaker 1>or if you're even thinking like I have to let go,

1:18:37.680 --> 1:18:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I have to like go, that's not letting go. And

1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:42.560
<v Speaker 1>so I can only imagine like all these elements that

1:18:42.600 --> 1:18:47.000
<v Speaker 1>allow women too for their minds, Like he's making them

1:18:47.000 --> 1:18:49.400
<v Speaker 1>comfortable enough to believe that this is going to help

1:18:49.439 --> 1:18:51.880
<v Speaker 1>them and that in and of itself makes them feel better.

1:18:52.160 --> 1:18:54.280
<v Speaker 1>And and if that's all he was doing, I wouldn't

1:18:54.280 --> 1:18:55.840
<v Speaker 1>have any problem with this guy. I mean I would

1:18:55.840 --> 1:18:57.760
<v Speaker 1>because of the homeless people study, but like I would

1:18:57.880 --> 1:18:59.600
<v Speaker 1>have a problem with this current business. Like if this

1:18:59.600 --> 1:19:01.760
<v Speaker 1>guy would just like, hey, I'm a doctor in the

1:19:01.800 --> 1:19:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Bible Belt and I help women who have problems orgasm,

1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:07.320
<v Speaker 1>ng um, and a lot of women said he helped them,

1:19:07.360 --> 1:19:10.520
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, yeah, fine, great, but he's also injecting

1:19:10.520 --> 1:19:13.360
<v Speaker 1>them with He's also performing a medical operation that we

1:19:13.360 --> 1:19:15.519
<v Speaker 1>have no data on what kind of long term harm

1:19:15.520 --> 1:19:17.320
<v Speaker 1>it might do. To them like, that's that's where the

1:19:17.360 --> 1:19:22.000
<v Speaker 1>issue is, right, Um, that's yeah, And it's not just therapy,

1:19:22.080 --> 1:19:25.120
<v Speaker 1>it's not talking, and you're physically doing something to a

1:19:25.200 --> 1:19:28.920
<v Speaker 1>body he is not medically sound. And another impact comes

1:19:28.920 --> 1:19:32.599
<v Speaker 1>from the fact that the O shot costs about hundred dollars,

1:19:32.600 --> 1:19:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and controlled studies have shown that spending more money on

1:19:35.000 --> 1:19:37.960
<v Speaker 1>a medical treatment can increase the placebo effect as well,

1:19:38.320 --> 1:19:42.280
<v Speaker 1>and even Parkinson's patients have shown physical improvement in situations

1:19:42.320 --> 1:19:45.200
<v Speaker 1>like this. So again, like a lot of this has

1:19:45.360 --> 1:19:47.880
<v Speaker 1>nothing to fucking do with whatever he's injecting them with,

1:19:47.920 --> 1:19:51.040
<v Speaker 1>and everything to do with the psychological atmosphere that this

1:19:51.120 --> 1:19:54.599
<v Speaker 1>person sets up and his his his his operation. Now,

1:19:54.640 --> 1:19:57.040
<v Speaker 1>the experts Kathleen Hale talked to mentioned all of this

1:19:57.120 --> 1:19:59.360
<v Speaker 1>but quote as she but as she writes, quote as

1:19:59.360 --> 1:20:01.640
<v Speaker 1>a layperson, I couldn't help but respect their authority, but

1:20:01.680 --> 1:20:03.559
<v Speaker 1>as a human being was hard for me to discredit

1:20:03.600 --> 1:20:06.200
<v Speaker 1>so many women's stories when they said the O shot worked,

1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:09.280
<v Speaker 1>I believe them. So she got the shot herself and

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't. It didn't do anything. And I think it's

1:20:11.360 --> 1:20:13.479
<v Speaker 1>just because she didn't. She's never had she didn't have

1:20:13.520 --> 1:20:17.120
<v Speaker 1>an issue, right, Like she had no problem having orgasms.

1:20:17.160 --> 1:20:19.760
<v Speaker 1>She had the shot and she didn't notice anything, and

1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:22.000
<v Speaker 1>that is what you would She didn't go into it

1:20:22.040 --> 1:20:25.200
<v Speaker 1>with the trauma. She didn't go into it with a like,

1:20:25.640 --> 1:20:29.800
<v Speaker 1>uh something to be fixed. Yeah, you know, like she

1:20:29.920 --> 1:20:32.559
<v Speaker 1>wasn't searching for a like you know, I don't know

1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:35.479
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense, and it's it's one of those things

1:20:35.520 --> 1:20:36.720
<v Speaker 1>where like, at the end of the day, I have

1:20:36.800 --> 1:20:39.720
<v Speaker 1>to admit that compared to our usual bastards, the harm

1:20:39.840 --> 1:20:44.280
<v Speaker 1>this guy is currently perpetrating is minimal. Like, these women

1:20:44.280 --> 1:20:47.200
<v Speaker 1>are out money, but there's not well, there's not evidency's

1:20:47.200 --> 1:20:49.160
<v Speaker 1>helping them. There isn't evidence he's hurting them. Although it

1:20:49.240 --> 1:20:51.120
<v Speaker 1>is possible that he's doing a lot of damage to them,

1:20:51.200 --> 1:20:53.320
<v Speaker 1>we just don't know for a while because again, nobody's

1:20:53.320 --> 1:20:58.680
<v Speaker 1>fucking looked into this. Um it's uh, I don't know.

1:20:58.880 --> 1:21:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I hate this I because I think he's a

1:21:01.040 --> 1:21:04.280
<v Speaker 1>bad person and he's taking advantage of people. Um. But

1:21:04.320 --> 1:21:06.200
<v Speaker 1>I also I think the thing that I hate more

1:21:06.280 --> 1:21:08.800
<v Speaker 1>than this guy is the fact that we have such

1:21:08.800 --> 1:21:11.240
<v Speaker 1>a shitty system set up in our country for any

1:21:11.320 --> 1:21:14.439
<v Speaker 1>kind of sexual health care, for informing people about their bodies,

1:21:14.840 --> 1:21:17.080
<v Speaker 1>for giving women who are having this problem a place

1:21:17.120 --> 1:21:20.120
<v Speaker 1>where they even know they can go to for help. Um,

1:21:20.160 --> 1:21:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Like that's that system leads him for his success, Like

1:21:23.360 --> 1:21:27.120
<v Speaker 1>that system made him successful. And I agree with you that,

1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:28.960
<v Speaker 1>like in the grand scheme of things, he's not like

1:21:29.080 --> 1:21:33.599
<v Speaker 1>a murderer, Like he's not like you've talked about shittier

1:21:33.640 --> 1:21:37.120
<v Speaker 1>people on your show, for sure, But the institution at large,

1:21:37.160 --> 1:21:39.519
<v Speaker 1>you're right, is what is contributing to his success. And

1:21:39.560 --> 1:21:42.240
<v Speaker 1>that institution is so flawed and so broken, and it

1:21:42.280 --> 1:21:46.360
<v Speaker 1>makes women believe that there's they are there, they that

1:21:46.360 --> 1:21:48.840
<v Speaker 1>that they need to be fixed. And he's capitalizing on

1:21:48.880 --> 1:21:51.519
<v Speaker 1>that in a huge way. And he's getting away with it.

1:21:51.840 --> 1:21:54.839
<v Speaker 1>And he should have been banned from everything medical along

1:21:54.880 --> 1:21:58.240
<v Speaker 1>as time ago, but he's still operating on a level

1:21:58.280 --> 1:22:02.439
<v Speaker 1>that should be criminal up yep. And he's he's trying

1:22:02.479 --> 1:22:05.320
<v Speaker 1>to get into coronavirus grift. It's a pretty minor one.

1:22:05.360 --> 1:22:09.559
<v Speaker 1>He wants to like create a nationwide UH blood bank

1:22:09.680 --> 1:22:13.920
<v Speaker 1>basically to take plasma rich blood from people that have

1:22:14.080 --> 1:22:16.200
<v Speaker 1>had it, that might have antibodies and give it to

1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:19.679
<v Speaker 1>other people. And like folks who aren't grifters are already

1:22:19.680 --> 1:22:23.000
<v Speaker 1>doing basically this. He's just trying to create his own thing,

1:22:23.080 --> 1:22:24.519
<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't look like it's work. I haven't seen

1:22:24.560 --> 1:22:26.880
<v Speaker 1>it pick up a lot of steam because he's the

1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:30.680
<v Speaker 1>blood guy. Yeah, so I I don't know. I like,

1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:33.320
<v Speaker 1>as far as all of the grifters that I worry about,

1:22:33.439 --> 1:22:35.880
<v Speaker 1>he's not super high on my list. Keep an eye

1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:37.559
<v Speaker 1>on him because he might wind up with a grift

1:22:37.640 --> 1:22:39.760
<v Speaker 1>that actually does harm a whole lot of people, where

1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:41.519
<v Speaker 1>he might find out that his current grift is more

1:22:41.560 --> 1:22:44.639
<v Speaker 1>harmful than we know. I just am so frustrated by

1:22:44.680 --> 1:22:48.360
<v Speaker 1>the story. At the same time, like as with most

1:22:48.520 --> 1:22:53.000
<v Speaker 1>of the grifters who are currently eating the decent and

1:22:53.280 --> 1:22:56.679
<v Speaker 1>often kind of dumb people of this country alive. Um,

1:22:56.760 --> 1:22:58.599
<v Speaker 1>the reason why they're able to do what they do

1:22:59.120 --> 1:23:02.719
<v Speaker 1>is because are we don't take care of our people.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no systems that that provide people with any option

1:23:06.479 --> 1:23:09.000
<v Speaker 1>that they have a chance that they have that there

1:23:09.080 --> 1:23:11.880
<v Speaker 1>is actually a reasonable, non exploited of way to deal

1:23:11.920 --> 1:23:13.760
<v Speaker 1>with a problem like a sexual problem that they have.

1:23:14.160 --> 1:23:18.760
<v Speaker 1>And so the first handsome, well spoken person who has

1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:22.519
<v Speaker 1>what looked like convincing credentials and says he can cure you,

1:23:22.520 --> 1:23:24.720
<v Speaker 1>you'll you'll just trust him if he has if he

1:23:24.800 --> 1:23:28.160
<v Speaker 1>has a nice face. And there are so many ways

1:23:28.240 --> 1:23:31.040
<v Speaker 1>we should have set up our society to to reduce

1:23:31.400 --> 1:23:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the ability these people would have to um grift the vulnerable,

1:23:36.120 --> 1:23:38.320
<v Speaker 1>but we have done none of that. And I guess

1:23:38.360 --> 1:23:42.800
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense because this is America. Yeah, I I

1:23:42.840 --> 1:23:46.160
<v Speaker 1>agree with all of that, and it's really terrible because

1:23:46.280 --> 1:23:49.639
<v Speaker 1>it's so true. And I am I under I realized

1:23:49.640 --> 1:23:51.559
<v Speaker 1>that most of your listeners Actually, no, I don't realize.

1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:53.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming that a lot of our listeners are men.

1:23:53.920 --> 1:23:55.800
<v Speaker 1>But for the women out there that are listening to this,

1:23:56.840 --> 1:23:59.639
<v Speaker 1>I if you, if you relate to anything I said,

1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:03.280
<v Speaker 1>You're not alone. And I know this is like not

1:24:03.360 --> 1:24:06.559
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be about my own ship, but I just

1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm so angry that someone like this is getting away

1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:14.040
<v Speaker 1>with something that I've struggled with, like my whole life,

1:24:14.160 --> 1:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and like I'm I'm a sexual person like I and

1:24:19.080 --> 1:24:21.479
<v Speaker 1>the fact that I have this one thing that's like

1:24:21.560 --> 1:24:25.599
<v Speaker 1>been bugging me my whole life that especially in like

1:24:25.760 --> 1:24:30.000
<v Speaker 1>today's world where everyone's really empowered and sexually uh just

1:24:30.040 --> 1:24:33.920
<v Speaker 1>outspoken and everything. As someone who's also progressive, it makes

1:24:33.920 --> 1:24:36.320
<v Speaker 1>me feel like I can't keep up, Like it makes

1:24:36.320 --> 1:24:39.280
<v Speaker 1>me feel like I'm not. I can't really understand where

1:24:39.280 --> 1:24:42.200
<v Speaker 1>everyone's coming from. And maybe it'll happen one day, maybe

1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:44.680
<v Speaker 1>it won't. But just accepting that where you are right

1:24:44.720 --> 1:24:47.400
<v Speaker 1>now is where you are is so much better than

1:24:47.920 --> 1:24:50.519
<v Speaker 1>being I don't know, berating yourself or something that is

1:24:50.560 --> 1:24:55.160
<v Speaker 1>not in your control, like you just I don't know.

1:24:55.200 --> 1:24:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to end this in like a poetic way,

1:24:57.400 --> 1:25:00.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's not coming out the way I wanted to.

1:25:00.439 --> 1:25:03.760
<v Speaker 1>There's just people feel I just don't want people to

1:25:03.800 --> 1:25:07.280
<v Speaker 1>feel like this is a subject that we shouldn't talk

1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:10.880
<v Speaker 1>about because I had hesitation admitting that I've never like

1:25:11.200 --> 1:25:14.160
<v Speaker 1>that I have. I don't know this experience and I

1:25:14.320 --> 1:25:16.840
<v Speaker 1>like I have my my sexual history is like a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit confusing just because I don't know I am

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<v Speaker 1>the way I am. But um but I think the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that me even coming from someone who just shot

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<v Speaker 1>all over this guy and would never do this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't deny that. There was a little, a little

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<v Speaker 1>voice in my head. I was like, what if it

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<v Speaker 1>does work? Like what if this is like like when

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<v Speaker 1>we first started talking about it, and I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this is the answer to all my problems and

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<v Speaker 1>this is coming from someone I think I'm not. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm like reasonably intelligent. So I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think the depth of shame and trauma that we

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<v Speaker 1>hold with ourselves is just not okay, and we just

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<v Speaker 1>have to come at this whole thing with like love.

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<v Speaker 1>And I haven't talked to human all day today, so

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<v Speaker 1>I forget how conversations work. So please come me off

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<v Speaker 1>at any time. You're great. I'm sweaty. I'm so sweaty

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<v Speaker 1>talking about so. I don't know. I just thank thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for having me on to talk about this. I

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<v Speaker 1>just thank you for talking. I was supposed to say no,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're supposed to say, yeah, that's fine, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's important to talk about this. I guarantee there

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<v Speaker 1>are people who will listen to this and have a

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<v Speaker 1>version of the same experience you're having, and it will

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<v Speaker 1>probably make them feel better to know that they're not

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<v Speaker 1>alone in that, and that's a good thing. And if

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about things that reduce the ability of guys

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<v Speaker 1>like this to grift people, it is being able to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this ship. So I'm glad that you felt

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable talking about it to an intimate audience of me

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<v Speaker 1>and Sophie and several hundred thousand strangers. Cool. Thanks, Robert.

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to I will say right now, if

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<v Speaker 1>any of the fucking dudes listening do creepy ship on Twitter?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you after is, I will fucking tear your as

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<v Speaker 1>a new one digit. Don't be a fucking gross about this. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>don't nobody nobody? Yeah, thank you, Robert. I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I just I go back to this

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<v Speaker 1>idea that if someone was as open, if someone if

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<v Speaker 1>if if it was the norm to be open about this,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't feel so weird as a kid or as

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<v Speaker 1>a as a teen or whatever growing up kind of

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<v Speaker 1>feeling like there was something wrong with me. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I think we just have to keep encouraging these conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's the same institution that put this guy to

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<v Speaker 1>be successful, that that same institution, the same societal fucking

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<v Speaker 1>game is the same one that makes women like me

1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:46.719
<v Speaker 1>feel like they need to be fixed. So um So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I know, like putting myself out there

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<v Speaker 1>is like just like by default get like weird replies

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<v Speaker 1>to it or whatever, or just like it going to

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<v Speaker 1>be an interesting week on Twitter for you. Yeah, also

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like a little bit low key afrase. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was, like I was raised Muslim, My entire

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<v Speaker 1>family's Muslim. We don't really talk about like you're not

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<v Speaker 1>really raised to like talk about sex or uh. There's

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<v Speaker 1>just a lot to unpack as far as like me

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this goes like it's not just me as

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<v Speaker 1>a woman in the society, it's also me and like

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<v Speaker 1>my culture and like my family in particular, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>just there's a lot to unpack for me here, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's this is not like I'm using this as therapy,

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<v Speaker 1>which I shouldn't do. Um, but I think even coming

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<v Speaker 1>from like as an Arab woman, as a Syrian woman,

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<v Speaker 1>that's even another group of people that I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to encourage this conversation with, like with it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because like if your children a child of immigrants, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're not taught about these things is when you're

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<v Speaker 1>growing up, it's just going to lead to more confusion

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<v Speaker 1>and to lead to more questions and not that's not

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<v Speaker 1>like a blanket statement, like there are plenty of people

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<v Speaker 1>who are fine and thriving the way they are, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is just from my own personal experience that um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's why I'm so unfiltered and so candid

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<v Speaker 1>is because I just needed someone to be this way

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid, and I needed to say

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<v Speaker 1>everything that was on their mind because that's that would

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<v Speaker 1>would that would have made me feel less like an

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<v Speaker 1>alien trying to study humanity watching porn, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? Like, Yeah, I don't know. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>think the thing you're landing on is that when you

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<v Speaker 1>realize you are kind of done dirty by your society

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<v Speaker 1>and the adults around you when you were a kid

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<v Speaker 1>because of like a failure that they that they had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, regardless of whether or not we consider them

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<v Speaker 1>good people, like there was a there was a shortcoming

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<v Speaker 1>in what we had available to us as a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>When you realize that the best thing you can do

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<v Speaker 1>is try to be that adult um maybe to someone else,

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<v Speaker 1>so that they don't wind up with the same hole

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<v Speaker 1>in their um, experience, their education, whatever, as as as

1:29:59.360 --> 1:30:02.080
<v Speaker 1>they grow up. And that starts with like talking about

1:30:02.080 --> 1:30:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the ship that you realize like, oh, I wish people

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<v Speaker 1>had talked about this when I was a kid. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm constantly trying to be the person that I needed

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a child. And when you're growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't see it as a societal failure. You see

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<v Speaker 1>it as your own failure. And I think that's what's dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when it comes to like woman's pleasure, is that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't see it as a system failing you. You

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<v Speaker 1>see as you failing yourself, and you fail like you're

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<v Speaker 1>failing your own body, and you start to resent your

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<v Speaker 1>body and like, why can't I do this? And then

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully as we get older and become more aware of

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<v Speaker 1>the society at large that makes us feel this way,

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<v Speaker 1>then we can like combat those things and just become

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<v Speaker 1>the people we were always meant to be, which is

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<v Speaker 1>just ourselves. And that's my spiel. Thank you for coming

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<v Speaker 1>to my ted talk. Uh. This is the only podcast

1:30:47.960 --> 1:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>on earth. Thank you for thank you for having me

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<v Speaker 1>on the only podcast to make it in this pandemic.

1:30:53.840 --> 1:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>What an honor. I know the white list is so long.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, Just if you're looking for something to do

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<v Speaker 1>during this time, I might recommend a book of poetry

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<v Speaker 1>written by A. Sharne that is on Amazon called dime

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<v Speaker 1>Piece It. Wow. Thank you so much, Sophie. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm currently working on my next one, so that is nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Also, since we're just another thing to do

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<v Speaker 1>is just try masturbating. That's you know what. Now is

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Now is the time to really just like

1:31:30.360 --> 1:31:33.559
<v Speaker 1>try to figure it out when like you have so

1:31:33.640 --> 1:31:36.280
<v Speaker 1>many hours in the day. You actually you have exactly

1:31:36.280 --> 1:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty four that's that's that's a fact. But you have

1:31:39.640 --> 1:31:42.080
<v Speaker 1>time to explore yourself if that's what you want to do.

1:31:42.320 --> 1:31:44.479
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure many of you already doing that. But

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<v Speaker 1>this has been quite the journey for me. And doing

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<v Speaker 1>your homework is it means a lot of things, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>So just do your homework on your body, on yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>on your mind, you know what. That's I've said my piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool alright, Um well, I don't really know how else

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<v Speaker 1>to in the episode other than um, think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about all this and uh go unfunded the world. Yeah,

1:32:15.560 --> 1:32:19.800
<v Speaker 1>and masterbait funk yourself to unfunck the world. That's the

1:32:19.840 --> 1:32:23.920
<v Speaker 1>only message I have. I co host a podcast on

1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the Heart Media network Heart Radio Network. It's ethnically ambiguous.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk to people that are um uh marginalized about

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<v Speaker 1>their struggles in the world, and we also just talk

1:32:37.240 --> 1:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>about ourselves being children of immigrants. I am Sharine You

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<v Speaker 1>can follow me at Shiro Hero s h e E

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<v Speaker 1>r O h E r O on Instagram and on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Shiro Hero six six six. Thank you Sophie for

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<v Speaker 1>plugging my book. I'm a filmmaker. I have some short

1:32:51.360 --> 1:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>films on my website. You can just my everything is

1:32:54.120 --> 1:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>like in my Twitter bio or some ship I don't

1:32:56.040 --> 1:32:59.080
<v Speaker 1>know whatever, figure it out just google me. Um. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's about it. I have another podcast called The Women's War. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you check it out. It's upbeat. I also have nothing else.

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<v Speaker 1>That is My whole life is these two podcasts. And

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<v Speaker 1>I returned to avoid in between space and time when

1:33:15.000 --> 1:33:18.560
<v Speaker 1>you are not listening to me, So please listen again regularly.

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<v Speaker 1>And thanks for letting me ramble a little bit on this. Yeah, thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for letting me just ramble and go. I know

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<v Speaker 1>this is like a longer episode that I just I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I got worked up. I think it's good that

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<v Speaker 1>you did and that you said the things you said,

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you for coming on and speaking candidly. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh again, don't be weird about this. People, don't be

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<v Speaker 1>fucking creepy. Okay, well fucking handle find whatever. I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>meet you that is the episode Hi