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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, legally the only podcast

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Speaker 1: on the internet, so I hope you all have no

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Speaker 1: other choices. So I'm sure we've got We've got a

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Speaker 1: big audience today of the entire world listening in um

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Speaker 1: as I have used my congressional connections to ban all

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Speaker 1: other podcasts, any other podcast. You're listening to our our

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Speaker 1: illegal podcast now, which actually makes mine less cool. This

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Speaker 1: is probably a bad call in any case. Uh, this

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Speaker 1: is a show about bad people, but very worse people

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Speaker 1: in all of history. And my guest today is Sharine

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Speaker 1: Lana Unash. You're back. I'm back, that's my own home.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about me gaslighting my audience about

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Speaker 1: the fact that there are no other podcasts in order

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Speaker 1: to keep them keep them locked into my content stream.

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Speaker 1: I'm I actually found it very entertaining and ingenious in

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Speaker 1: a way that I wasn't expecting. I think making them

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Speaker 1: believe this is the only source, you know, like you're

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Speaker 1: making You're making yourself essential to them. You're you're there. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: People talk a lot about like the downsides of gas lighting,

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Speaker 1: but nobody talks about how good it can be for

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Speaker 1: making money with a podcast. I mean the reality the

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Speaker 1: inverse the inverses like, the reality is there's so much

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Speaker 1: to be consumed, but you just constantly telling them there isn't.

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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty smart, I will say, though, the

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Speaker 1: word ingenious doesn't make that much sense to me. This

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Speaker 1: is a side note completely just semantic. Uh. Thing I

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Speaker 1: just realized is that genius is smart, but then ingenious

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Speaker 1: even more smart, which is just my own. This is

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Speaker 1: how my brain works now. I don't know how to

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Speaker 1: have conversations. It's very I'm frustrated by ingenious and I'm

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Speaker 1: frustrated by inflammable. And I know there's like a small

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Speaker 1: quadra of of grammar obsessives who have will explain how

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Speaker 1: it completely makes sense that both of those words mean

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Speaker 1: what they mean. UM, I don't care. Um I disagree

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Speaker 1: with grammar regular I regular. I regular disagree with grammar often,

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Speaker 1: me too, me to um So. Sharine, you are the

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Speaker 1: co host of the Ethnically Ambiguous podcast, and my friend

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Speaker 1: and co worker, and um you know, and a really

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Speaker 1: And there's really no other way to to just launch

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about orgasms? Oh, you're welcome for

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Speaker 1: booking you on this. Um, now I know why Sophie

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Speaker 1: told me I was coming in blind and now I

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Speaker 1: of my Okay, well, I think orgasms are great. Um yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't know though personally if we really want to

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Speaker 1: thought we talk about grifters together, and our subject today

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Speaker 1: And I decided to open things with that incredibly inflammatory question. Um,

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Speaker 1: incredible density of studies and articles about studies, UM, all

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Speaker 1: and it's I mean, this is really funny to be Okay,

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Speaker 1: I need to like be candid here. Sure, during this

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Speaker 1: put blood where they're you're supposed to have blood, and

427
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: then and then everything is solved. But it's not something yeah,

428
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: like all of the best bullshit medicine. There's a level

429
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Speaker 1: to which it makes kind of intuitive sense where you're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this I can if you explain the idea of the

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Speaker 1: treatment to someone, just a random person on the street,

432
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: I think most people be like, Okay, yeah, I can

433
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Speaker 1: see how that might work. Like it's not inherently nonsense,

434
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Speaker 1: you know, the data suggests that it is, but it's

435
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Speaker 1: the the idea itself. It does kind of fall under

436
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: the yeah, probably it was worth trying, right, you know?

437
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. You know what won't inject your own

438
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: blood back into your genitalia. The products and services that

439
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: support this podcast have never done that, unless we are

440
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: running an ad for for the O Shot, in which

441
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: case please don't get that until you finished listening to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. We're back. Uh Okay, who were so? Speaking

443
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Speaker 1: of journeys? Before I start talking about how the O

444
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: shot came to be, I want to talk a little

445
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: bit about the clinical background of its inventor, one Dr

446
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Speaker 1: Charles Runnolds, a k A. Doctor Orgasm. Now. I became

447
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: aware of Dear Charles through the writing of one doctor

448
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: Jin Gunter, an O B G y N and an

449
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Speaker 1: author of a book called The Vagina Bible. She is

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Speaker 1: professionally angry at scammers who push nonsense medicine on the

451
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: vaginas of the world, and she is not a fan

452
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: of Dr Reynolds. I love her already. Yeah, yeah, she's

453
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: she She seems to know what she's talking about. Um

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Speaker 1: I she certainly has the professional qualifications to to be

455
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: talking about this subject. Absolutely. I just love an angry woman,

456
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: you know. I just love an angry woman, That's all

457
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, she's really angry, and I low key

458
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: not even low key because like a third of my

459
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: content is based on it. One of my very favorite

460
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: genres of things on the Internet is like furious doctors

461
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: writing about like medical scammers. I just I love that ship. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Um so, as Dr jin Gunter points out, um, doctor Reynolds,

463
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: the the doctor Orgasm is an internal medicine doctor and

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Speaker 1: internal medicine doctors, uh, their training does not focus very

465
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Speaker 1: much on the vagina. During his medical school, Charles Reynolds

466
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: likely spent a pretty minimal amount of time studying gynecology. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He may have done a few months of residency at

468
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Speaker 1: a gynecological clinic, but that would have been the most

469
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Speaker 1: So if this orgasm doctor doesn't have a background in gynecology,

470
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: what's his background in? Well. On his own website, Dr

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Speaker 1: Renalds says that his first love was medical research, and

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Speaker 1: he lists his chief medical hero as doctor Verne Enforceman.

473
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: In nineteen nine, Enforceman performed the very first heart catheterization

474
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Speaker 1: on his own heart. Uh, and he this vern Enforcement

475
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: is a legitimate medical badass. Reynolds writes that this guy

476
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: quote tied the nurse down and cast his own heart,

477
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Speaker 1: then walked up three flights of stairs in order to

478
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Speaker 1: photograph it, and this is largely accurate, although the truth

479
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: is that the nurse agreed to let Dr Forceman tie

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Speaker 1: her up because he needed clean instruments and she had

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Speaker 1: access to them, and he might die doing this and

482
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: he didn't want it to get in troubles. It was

483
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: kind of like they were kind of doing this so

484
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: that if he died doing this, she wouldn't get blamed

485
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: for it. Um, that's why he tied her up. But yeah,

486
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: it's a cool story. It's actually like a really awesome medicals. Yeah.

487
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: Enforceman had this theory about how you could have catheterize

488
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Speaker 1: a heart, and he had been denied attend permission to

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Speaker 1: attempt it because it was seen as too dangerous. So

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Speaker 1: he decided he had to work it out do it

491
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Speaker 1: on himself, and he worked at a deal with the

492
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Speaker 1: nurse so that they could do this and not endanger

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Speaker 1: her life and career. Um. Why Dr Runold's idolizes Dr

494
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: Forceman will become clear presently. For right now, it's important

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Speaker 1: for people to know that Forceman spent a lot of

496
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Speaker 1: his life reviled by the medical community for his irresponsible

497
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Speaker 1: self experimentation. He was only recognized as a genius after

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Speaker 1: World War Two, when he finally received the Nobel Prize. Dr.

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00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: Forceman spent most of his life as a humble, grunt

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Speaker 1: level medical practitioner. He was a German military doctor in

501
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Speaker 1: World War Two, so he worked with like the Nazi army,

502
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: but he was like treating wounded people. Um, which is

503
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: I guess the least objectionable job you could have. Uh,

504
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: in Nazi Germany. Um. And then he was like a

505
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Speaker 1: town doctor. Like he was like a small town like

506
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Speaker 1: family physician for years and years and years. Um. And

507
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: after he won the Nobel Prize, he was actually offered

508
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Speaker 1: a fancy job running a German cardiovascular institute. Uh. And

509
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Speaker 1: he turned this down because he felt like he didn't

510
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Speaker 1: know enough to do the job well. Like he he

511
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: was like he was a very humble man. In other words.

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Speaker 1: Um So Dr renalds idolizes this man. And there's a

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Speaker 1: lot to idolize in Dr Forceman Nazi service aside, just

514
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's a cool medical story. Um. And

515
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: when Reynolds first got his m D, his desire was

516
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: to be a medical researcher. Now, I don't have a

517
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of detail about Dr Reynolds's early life, and

518
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Speaker 1: most of what we do have comes from an article

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Speaker 1: in The Guardian that will not bad is largely just

520
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: repeating what Renald says about his own early life. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He says that as a teenager he endured horrific cystic acne. Um.

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Speaker 1: This is not what most of us was described as

523
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Speaker 1: bad acne. I'm sure we all have a bad acne story.

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Speaker 1: He was one of those people whose, like, whole face

525
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Speaker 1: was just this oozing, painful mass of sores. Um. He

526
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: claims it was. Yeah, and I had there was at

527
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: least one kid at my school who had this kind

528
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Speaker 1: of acne. And it did. It did seem like a nightmare. Um,

529
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Speaker 1: it's brutal. Yeah. Reynolds claims that his acne was so

530
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Speaker 1: bad that he forgot what his own nose looked like. Um.

531
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Speaker 1: And yeah, there's not many worse ailments you could have

532
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: as a teenager. This was obviously disastrous for young Charles's

533
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: personal life. He recalls praying to God, if you could

534
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: make me attractive, I will find something good to do

535
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Speaker 1: with it. Um. And luckily for him, a miracle cure

536
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: soon did arrive. Dermatologists treated his skin with X rays,

537
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: which cured the cystic acne, but left him with a

538
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Speaker 1: lifetime of melanomas, which have required constant treatment in order

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Speaker 1: to stop from turning cancerous as an adult. Dr Reynolds

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00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: now claims that his childhood battle with cystic acne gave

541
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Speaker 1: him enormous compassion for people suffering from incurable conditions. The

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Speaker 1: pain of what I have called the hidden population. Uh. Now,

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00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: if this story is true, it's certainly easy to see

544
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Speaker 1: how it could have sparked his youthful desire to embark

545
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: on a career is a medical researcher, and that's exactly

546
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: what he did, but unfortunately he was not good at it.

547
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Speaker 1: In two thousands, or he got approval to conduct the

548
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Speaker 1: study on the efficacy of a new smallpox vaccine formulation.

549
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: He got approval to do this, but he did not

550
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Speaker 1: get approval to conduct the study on homeless people. However,

551
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah we're getting God, Oh my god,

552
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: what a piece of trash. Yeah, yeah, he's not great, Like, okay,

553
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: I could have sympathy. I was just thinking, like, yeah,

554
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: I have a I have the emotional depth to to

555
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Speaker 1: understand empathy and to sympathize with someone that is that

556
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: that has really bad acne and is going through a

557
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: hard time self confidence or whatever. That does not give

558
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: you a fucking green light to Oh my god, what

559
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: a fucking piece of ship. Yeah he's a real piece

560
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: of ship. This study is is bad, Like, oh boy, howdy?

561
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Um so he Uh. Basically, it's expensive to recruit subjects

562
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Speaker 1: for a vaccine study and it's hard. Um, but tricking

563
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: hoboes into letting you test drugs on their bodies is easy. Um,

564
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: and that's kind of just what he did. Uh. And

565
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: he did he did get approval to conduct the study

566
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Speaker 1: on people from a homeless shelter after he had already

567
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: started testing them. Um. Yeah, so he filled her forgiveness remation. Yeah.

568
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of other shadiness. So he filled

569
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: his sample, grew up with men and women from a

570
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Speaker 1: local New Orleans homeless shelter. I think twenty two of them. Uh. And,

571
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Speaker 1: as the FDA later wrote, quote, you enrolled twenty one

572
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Speaker 1: indigent persons from a multi service center for the homeless

573
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Speaker 1: into either study. Uh. Only after enrolling eight of these subjects,

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Speaker 1: you received approval from the Institutional Review Board IRB to

575
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Speaker 1: enroll vulnerable subjects as described below. Regardless of the irby's

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Speaker 1: decision to reprove the enrollment of vulnerable populations, persons utilizing

577
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Speaker 1: the Multi Service Center for the homeless were unsuitable for

578
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Speaker 1: consideration for these studies for many reasons, including, but not

579
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Speaker 1: limited to the following. These individuals weren't suitable because they

580
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: were economically and or educationally disadvantaged. Some subjects could not

581
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Speaker 1: understand or follow the protocol requirements. For example, subjects in

582
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: IT list, a couple of subjects did not understand how

583
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: to measure his her temperature in order to complete his

584
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: her daily diary, as they reported body temperatures raising from

585
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: ranging from eighty four degrees fahrenheit to So one reason

586
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: why this was bad is because like these people had

587
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Speaker 1: to keep data on themselves in order for the study

588
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: to make be have any value, and they just weren't

589
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: competent to They didn't have the kind of education to

590
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: do that. Um the FDA has complaint continues. One requirement

591
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: for doctors doing these sorts of studies is that they

592
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Speaker 1: complete a vaccine risk Assessment questionnaire at least six times

593
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Speaker 1: during the study. The questionnaire asks about the health and

594
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: medication use of people to study subject lives with. This

595
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: is obviously a project for homeless folks who live in

596
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: a center because their household contacts include every person including

597
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: staff and volunteers at that center. UM. So this is

598
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: a huge problem because again, if you're testing medicine on

599
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: people to see if it works, you have to know

600
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Speaker 1: what other medications they're taking. You want to limit and

601
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: control for that, and have no fucking idea what people

602
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: at a homeless center, many of whom are addicted to

603
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: drugs themselves, are actually taking and you don't know what

604
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: they had the option to take. You just can't. It's

605
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: a bad group to use for a study like this. Um, Like,

606
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: there's the moral problem of of these of going of

607
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: conducting a study in these folks because a lot of

608
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: them have mental illnesses that mean that they can't really

609
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: provide informed consent um. And then there's also the fact that,

610
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: like you can't get good data out of these people

611
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: because like you can't control free of the things you

612
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: need to in a stay. There's a whole lot of

613
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: reasons this was the worst way to conduct to study. Yeah,

614
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: there's there's no upside. The upside is that it's cheap

615
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: and it it's easy if you don't care about actually

616
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: performing a good study. Um. But that that that like

617
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: kind of the gates his entire like ethos that he's

618
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: like self proclaimed right, like it just yeah, yeah, it

619
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: sure does. So there were a lot more problems too,

620
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: Like we're not even done with this ship. Dr Rerunnold's

621
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: got his his institution research board to approve him to

622
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: have an impartial witness observed the informed consent discussion that

623
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: he got while recruiting these homeless people to act as

624
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: guinea pigs. So that was how he got He got

625
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: permission after the study started to use homeless people as

626
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: test subjects, and the way he did this was by

627
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: promising to have an impartial witness who can make sure

628
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: that these people were providing informed consent um And obviously

629
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: the purpose of this was to avoid a ghoulish situation

630
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: where mentally iller drug addled individuals were tested with experimental

631
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: medications in exchange for money without understanding that they'd agreed

632
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: to be tested tested with experimental medications in exchange for money.

633
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: That would be a horrible thing. Um, So thank god

634
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: he had an impartial witness, right, Wow, thank god, you're

635
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: glad he had an impartial witness, right, motherfucker. But he

636
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: had acne. He had really bad acne though, so he's

637
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: allowed to do this. Oh my god, I hate him.

638
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: I hate him. You want to hear who was impartial

639
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: witness was? Yeah, another homeless person that he was testing

640
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: drugs are. Oh my god, he's such a piece of ship.

641
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: Like pure evidence. This is pure evidence of him repeatedly

642
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 1: taking advantage of those who are vulnerable. Like whether it's

643
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: women that can't orgasm or people that like have no

644
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: other choice, you're still taking advantage of people that are vulnerable.

645
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: And like that's like on a one grift? What a

646
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: one come on? Yeah, and it gets worse, Like this

647
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: is honestly one of the worst scientific studies I've ever

648
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: heard of anyone conducting. So obviously, people who are conducting

649
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: proper medical studies are supposed to do a lot of

650
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: research to understand the pre existing conditions of members of

651
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: the study, So like you look at how their bodies

652
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: doing before you start putting meds on them. This is

653
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: to avoid endangering people and to ensure that like the

654
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: folks conducting the study learning as much as possible about,

655
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, how certain medications affect people with different health conditions.

656
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: So obviously are all of Dr Reynolds's patients underwent e

657
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: k G s and blood and urine samples. But Charles

658
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: just didn't tell his i RB about any of the

659
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: adverse health conditions that he revealed in this process. Um,

660
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: so a bunch of people were found with heart problems,

661
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: he just didn't say anything about it. Uh And in fact,

662
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: one of his subjects after being medicated, was hospitalized for

663
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: chest pain. And he also didn't tell the IRB about that,

664
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: um for more than two weeks. Um, so that's all

665
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: really bad. Um, it's it's horrible, Like this is one

666
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: of the worst. Like if you're if you're a science person,

667
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: read read the the FDA's complaint about this study because

668
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: it's shocking how bad it is. The gist of how

669
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: is he still allowed to practice medicine after this? Like

670
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: that's what well, that's what we're bill are for. Oh

671
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: my god, he was yeah, so um yeah. The gist

672
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: of all this is that Dr Reynolds used homeless folks

673
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: as test subjects and took the actions to obscure the

674
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: fact that many of them didn't understand what was being

675
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: done to them. He covered up their illnesses, all of

676
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: this horrible stuff. In two thousand eight, the f d

677
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: A investigated him for this and initiated disqualification proceeds against him,

678
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: and he was disqualified from working as a clinical investigator

679
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: in two thousand nine as a result of this investigation.

680
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: UM Dr Jim Gunter explains what that means. Quote, getting

681
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: disqualified by the FDA means a clinical investigator has repeatedly

682
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: or deliberately failed to comply with applicable regulatory requirements, or

683
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: the clinical investigator has repeatedly or deliberately submitted false information

684
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: to the sponsor or, if applicable to the f d

685
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: A in any required report. A disqualified clinical investigator is

686
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: not eligible to conduct any clinical investigation that supports an

687
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: application for a research or for marketing permit for products

688
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: regulated by the FDA. So he gets banned from being

689
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: a medical researcher basically because he's so wildly irresponsible at

690
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: it um. Yeah, and obviously because he's a subject of

691
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: this show, so we know what happens. We know what happens.

692
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: He gets famous for the vampire fasial like he didn't

693
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: have a he didn't he didn't have a come up

694
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, This is not the

695
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: come up as show. This is enraging. This is not

696
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: the come up as show. Although if we were to

697
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: really dig into it, we could come up with a

698
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: good since this is an orgasm and based episode, a

699
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: good come joke based on the word come up. And

700
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: but I'm going to leave that to the listener to

701
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: put together in your own head. You know, what. Yeah.

702
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that when I said it out loud,

703
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: but it's pretty there. You know, take it, take it

704
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: for yourself, makes the joke your own, you know. Yeah,

705
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: this is a d I O Y. The comedy in

706
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: this podcast is very often d I Y. It's the

707
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: only podcast out there, so take what you can get. Yeah,

708
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: we're like the IKEA of jokes about bad orgasm doctors. UM.

709
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: Not a lot of money in being that. I don't

710
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: know why we took this path anyway. Uh yeah. Obviously

711
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: being at the subject of this podcast, Dr Reynolds did

712
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: not learn it, goddamn think from his failures or from

713
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: his punishment. After he gets banned from conducting medical research

714
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: because of his how horrifically irresponds sable UM, he gets

715
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: fined in two thousands, also in two thousand nine, five

716
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: thousand dollars by the State Board of Medical Examiners of

717
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: Alabama for the misuse of hormone replacement therapy after he

718
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: massively overdosed two women with testosterone UM. Yeah. Yeah, and

719
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: he defends his actions by saying that the hormone doses

720
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: helped his patients um, just as he defends his actions

721
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: with the vaccine trial by saying that he didn't know

722
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: the subjects were homeless. Um. Yeah, he's he's just a liar. Um.

723
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: Now Yeah. Dr Reynolds again, when he gets talked about

724
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: his misuse of hormone replacement therapy because he overdosed women

725
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: with distosterone, UM, he will say that like it helped

726
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: his patients. And I wanted to know, like what he

727
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: meant by that, And eventually I was able to find

728
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: a video posted to his website, which is called the

729
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: Cellular Medicine Association, titled who is Charles Reynolds? Um. The

730
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 1: association is run by him, and he made this whole video.

731
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't acknowledge that he was fined for doing this,

732
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: but he does talk about how he started doing testosterone

733
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: therapy for women. UM. And he again doesn't acknowledge that

734
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: he hurt people doing this, but he does say that, uh,

735
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: it gave them such high libidos that their husbands couldn't

736
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: keep up. Uh and so he started injecting their husbands

737
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: with testosterone. UM. And I can't tell you if that

738
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: happened or not, UM, but I can tell you that

739
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like good medicine. I'm not a doctor, but Um,

740
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: that seems like a bad medical call. Uh so yeah.

741
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: Renalds says that in two thousand and ten he started

742
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: hearing about PRP therapy, which was then again mostly the

743
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: province of like sports medicine, although gynecologists had started using

744
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: the technique to inject platelets around the urethra of women

745
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: who experienced urinaryan continents. And it does seem to help

746
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: with that. Um, there's some some I don't know if

747
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: there's hard studies, but I know a lot of people

748
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: say it helps with that, and I haven't seen any

749
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: reason to believe it doesn't. UM. But I'm gonna let

750
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: Dr Reynolds himself explain what happened next. This is this

751
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: is Dr Charles Reynolds explaining what happens after he realized

752
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: that uh PRP therapy UM was was was being used

753
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: on people's faces. Back in two thousand and ten, someone

754
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: brought to me the centrifuge that had been used by

755
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: the orthopedic surgeons to prepare play ridge plasma for the

756
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: knees and by the dentists and wound care wound healing.

757
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: Excuse me, so, and the person bringing the centrifuge says,

758
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: this has been FDA approved for preparing plasma play towards plasma,

759
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: and if you use it, of course it's blood. The

760
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: blood's not FDA approved blood. The FDA doesn't approve your hair,

761
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: your urine, or your saliva or your blood, but they

762
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: have to approve the device that makes the plastma to

763
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: go back into your body. So he says, this has

764
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: been FDA airproof to prepare plasma to go back into

765
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: the body, and it's been shown two calls, new tissue growth,

766
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: new blood flow, new volume, and there's never been a

767
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: granuloma or serious infection or serious side effect from play

768
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: ridge plasma. You should try it in the face. So

769
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, this is wonderful because if this works

770
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: in the face, I mean instantly, because I was tuned

771
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: into the sexual problems, I thought, if this works in

772
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: the face and does all those things, then this should

773
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: help the genitalia. So he's like, yeah, I saw that

774
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: this worked in the face, and I was like, well,

775
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: if this helps people's faces, then it clearly it helps

776
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: their genitals. Which nobody says that about anything, Like I'm

777
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: not like, well, because my straight razor helps me get

778
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: a nice shave, I should clearly shave my dick with

779
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: a straight razor. You don't, my god, Like what a

780
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: line of thought that makes so much sense, just to

781
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: jump from face to dick. Contact help my eyes, they

782
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: must help my paenis. But like I will say, um,

783
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know what he looked like before watching that,

784
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: and I am like a little bit more than needed

785
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: to be upset, Like I I'm more upset than I

786
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: wanted to be. That the fact that he's not unattractive,

787
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: Like he's conventionally attractive, and it's proven that people trust

788
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: people that are attractive, like someone if someone is is

789
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: good looking, if they're tall, if they're built, if they're

790
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: if they have a charming way of speaking. He has

791
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: a deep voice, he has like a tick, a southern

792
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: what's that word, like twang or whatever to his like

793
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: like he he had like a drawl, like like he

794
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: is presenting himself as an alpha, and you're going to

795
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: trust that if you're vulnerable, like like even if he

796
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: was like that just makes me so I wish he wasn't.

797
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: I just but like it makes sense. The fact that

798
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: he's gone away with it makes sense a little bit

799
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: more than did before. Now in my brain, you know,

800
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: what you're saying is exactly why I think we should

801
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: just mandate disfiguring facial surgery for all American citizens. Um.

802
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: And you know who's here to help with mandatory disfiguring

803
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: surgery is our sponsors at Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, who

804
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: have developed a brand new knife missile that is just

805
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: gonna guarantee nobody gets trusted on the basis of their

806
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: attractiveness ever again. So please support Lockheed Martin in its

807
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: quest to disfigure all of us. Ye enjoy these other products.

808
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: So we're back again. I know a lot of doctors

809
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: actually listen to this podcast. We have a lot of

810
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: doctor fans, and I'm interested in their takes on the

811
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: clip that we just played as a layment. It seems

812
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: like competent medical researchers don't say if this works on

813
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: the face, it must be good for helping people. Fuck,

814
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: But I'm not an m D, so I'll leave that

815
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: to y'all. My sister is a doctor, and I know

816
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: she would shed all over this. Like I it seems

817
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: like a reach. I mean, like I want to bring

818
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: this up really quick, Like, do you know, I don't

819
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: know if the movie contagion had a huge up surge recently. Uh,

820
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I guess this is like a spoiler,

821
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: but it's been around long enough then who cares. At

822
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, like the cure comes about

823
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: because the lead researcher like injects herself with the medicine

824
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: or like or with the vaccine. And my sister as

825
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: a doctor, and I'm sure many doctors that watched this

826
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: movie like it's I know it's a movie, but it's

827
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: like kind of the same idea of like what this

828
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: person Dr Reynolds was like inspired by. It's like using

829
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: yourself as a martyr and using yourself as like this

830
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: hero to save the day. And and realistically that is bullshit,

831
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: Like that is it's a cool story, but it's not

832
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: a medically or or factually sound and it's really dangerous.

833
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: Like one medical professional would do that and he was like,

834
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay. The troubling part is that there

835
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: have been a couple of really groundbreaking medical professionals who

836
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: advance medical science because they were willing to dangerously experiment

837
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: on themselves. And it's it's kind of threading a needle

838
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: that's maybe too fine. For most people to want to

839
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: thread to say that, like, yes, people who were willing

840
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: to do that have advanced the frontiers of knowledge before,

841
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: and also to say, but it's still a bad idea

842
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: and we should have moved past that. Like right in

843
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: nineteen fucking twenty nine, some doctor who can't get approval

844
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: is like, well, fuck it, I'm just gonna try to

845
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: stint my own fucking heart. And it works, and it's

846
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: good that it did. Um, but also that was like

847
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: a century ago and we should not have to do

848
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: that anymore. Yeah, I mean, I totally agree with you.

849
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: I totally agree that, Like there are some cases where

850
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: it's really been like groundbreaking and progress medicine. But I

851
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: think the fact that this doctor like was is caught

852
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: up in that particular narrative. It's a kind of telling

853
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: of the kind of doctor he was even trying to be,

854
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: Like he's more consumed with the story, He's not really

855
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: consumed with the medicine. You've hit on an incredibly important

856
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: point that he's consumed with the story, and the story

857
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: gets wilder from here on out. So strap in sharene

858
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. Yeah. So, as that video goes on,

859
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: Dr Reynolds goes on to say that he read a

860
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: lot of papers. I think he says thousands, and I

861
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: don't think there are thousands which showed that PRP treatments

862
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 1: were effective in reducing signs of aging on the face,

863
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: which again, yeah, the evidence and also the evidence is

864
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: not overwhelming on that um. And so as a result

865
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: of reading a lot of papers, he decided to start

866
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: experimenting on himself with PRP facial treatments before he started

867
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: shooting stuff into other people's genitalia. Now, since he was

868
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: legally barred from conducting clinical trials, he just drumped right

869
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: into experimenting on people with his own PRP facial treatments. Uh.

870
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: Dr Reynolds began marketing them under the trademark name Vampire

871
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: Facelift UM, and I sorry, I got it wrong early.

872
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: I said he's responsible for the vampire facial. His trademark

873
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: name is the Vampire Face Lift. And you will see

874
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: when people advertise that they do vampire facials, they're actually

875
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: tech like legally ripping him off, um because his is

876
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: the vampire facelift. Yeah, I don't care, but it's from

877
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: a legal standpoint, it's important. He had acne he did

878
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: have acne. Now in this video, he claims that coming

879
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: up with he decided he had to trademark this thing

880
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: before there was really any hard evidence that it worked, because, uh,

881
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: that's this would be important for him being able to

882
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: responsibly treat people. See if he just called his PRP

883
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: for his story and for his finances, if he just

884
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: called He says that if he just called this like

885
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: PRP facial by the names other people were using, vampire

886
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: therapy was a common name, then any bullshit doctor could

887
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: claim to be providing his therapy. And what if they

888
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: accidentally hurt someone? So he claims that he had to

889
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: trade market so that he could avoid people getting hurt. Um, Yeah,

890
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: that nonsense, But I think that's nonsense. Vampire Facelift is

891
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: a good media ready name, and trademarking it allowed him

892
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: to license his treatment to other doctors and make passive

893
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: income from thousands of practitioners that he trains, often in

894
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: online courses, who basically act as franchise ease. Uh. Interestingly enough,

895
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: Charles denies uh that anything he does is that what

896
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: he does is anything like franchising. So he says that

897
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: like this is not franchising. What I'm doing, and in

898
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: the same breath that he claims it's not like franchising,

899
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: he compares the name vampire Facelift to the trademark golden

900
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: arches of McDonald's, which is amazing. Yeah, he's it's pretty

901
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: That whole video is pretty fun to listen to. So

902
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: Charles insists the whole reason that he did this was

903
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: to ensure a consistent standard of care and insist that

904
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: everyone abide by the same stringent practices he does, and

905
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: spoilers someone advertising a knockoff vampire facial like a year ago,

906
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: got two people infected with hiv um and they weren't

907
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: people that runld That trade had rain so he was like, well, look,

908
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying, Like, these people are using

909
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: a knockoff and they got folks sick. But it's like, yeah,

910
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: they got folks to buy their treatment by using the

911
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: name that was as close as possible to the one

912
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: you use. Um. Yeah. Anyway, So for the next couple

913
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: of years, Dr Runnelds made a name for himself and

914
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: a new fortune as the inventor of the vampire Facelift.

915
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: His dream of injecting people's blood back into their own

916
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: vagina as though had to lay dormant for a while

917
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: as he grappled with fame and expanded his clinic. But then,

918
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: as Dr Rynolds tells it, one day, fate in the

919
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: form of his girlfriend forced his hand. Oh buddy, we

920
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 1: are heading in for one of the most irresponsible stories

921
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: of a medical experimentation I I can conceive of, and

922
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: it is a fun one. So as Dr Rynolds tells

923
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: this story, uh yeah, there's a number of different versions

924
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: of the story that he's he's given. I prefer the

925
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: one written up by a journalist from The Guardian who

926
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: interviewed Runnels, and I'm going to read that now. Quote

927
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: Charles Rynolds. Lover's surprised him at his office, demanding that

928
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: he inject blood into her clitteress as a Valentine's Day present.

929
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 1: She hiked up her dress, hopped onto the exam table,

930
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: and motioned for Rynolds to put on his head lamp.

931
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: She explained that she'd been watching him inject his own

932
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: penis with blood for about a year, and that while

933
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: his bigger and stronger erections had been fun, she'd grown

934
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: tired of the one sided sexual enhancement. It was her turn,

935
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: so Runolds bowed between her legs, numbed her clitter us

936
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: with an ice cube, and shot her up. I don't

937
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: know how graphic you can be with this thing, he

938
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: said over the phone, pausing mid story to ask me

939
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: about the Guardians policy and discussing orgasms. But the next

940
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: afternoon she came to see me, and her orgasms came

941
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: more quickly, very strong ejaculatory orgasms. The passion, the thunder,

942
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: the sound she was making, he sighed at the memory.

943
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: That's when I thought I should try this on my patients.

944
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: And I know the fucking the doctors listening to this

945
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: have their fucking jaws on the floor right now. Oh

946
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: my fucking god. Yeah, that is a story, another chapter

947
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: in this story. I hate him also like if this

948
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: umh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, I

949
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: just thought I should, Yeah, I should try this on

950
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: my patients. It's amazing. So I'm not a doctor. Saw you.

951
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: I saw you injecting your penis this whole time, and

952
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: I was give me some of that good blood. So um,

953
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, but the American Medical Association is

954
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: a doctor, and it seems to me and to Dr

955
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: Jim Gunter, from whom I found This pointed out that

956
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: this whole story is a very clear violation of the

957
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: Code of Medical Ethics, which states, quote, romantic or sexual

958
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: interactions between physicians and patients that occur concurrently with the

959
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: patient physician relationship are unethical. Such interactions detract from the

960
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: goals of the patient physician relationship and may exploit the

961
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: vulnerability of the patient, compromise the physician's ability to make

962
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: objective judgments about the patient's healthcare, and ultimately be trimental

963
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: to the patient's well being, which shouldn't need to be said,

964
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: but is written up there. Uh and this seems like

965
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: a clear violation of that to me. Um, I love that.

966
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: He added that she was like, grab your head lamb.

967
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: Like that's just like a clear like the keys making

968
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: this up. No, girlfriend is like, oh my god, grab

969
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,479
Speaker 1: your needle and your head lamp Like no, yeah, it's

970
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: something else. So Dr Rynolds tells the story to reporters

971
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: as if it is a charming anecdote. Um, And the

972
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: reason why he thinks this is charming is very much

973
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: rooted in his idolization of Dr Forceman, the guy you

974
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: did that hard surgery, and himself. So yeah, enforcement experimenting

975
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 1: on himself. He was exiled from mainstream medicine for his boldness,

976
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: but he was eventually recognized as a medical pioneer and

977
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: a genius. Um Reynolds wants so badly to identify himself

978
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: with Forceman that he includes this line in the who

979
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: is section of his website quote, I actually pulled up

980
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: Dr Forceman story on Wikipedia and read it for a

981
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: few minutes to get psyched out before I injected my

982
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: own penis with p RP, which I did twice before

983
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: I injected any other person's penis or clitterers slash vagina. Now,

984
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: some people might equipal with the fact that he's equating

985
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: himself and his orgasm medicine experiments with a doctor struggling

986
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: to cope with a way to save heart disease patients.

987
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: But I actually think that sexual health is incredibly important,

988
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to like ding him on that.

989
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: What I will ding him for is the fact that

990
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: doctor Reynolds clearly never cared about anything but rushing to

991
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 1: patent his treatment so he could ring the most possible

992
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: money out of it. Dr Forceman, on the other hand,

993
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: spent decades as either a small town doctor or a

994
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: frontline military doctor. He turned down impressive jobs and titles

995
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: when they were offered to him because they he felt

996
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: they exceeded his depth of confidence. Um, he was a

997
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: pretty humble guy. Whatever else you want to say about him, Um,

998
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: and his innovations contributed to medical science. None of those

999
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: things can be said about Dr Ronalds, although I am

1000
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: glad he moved from on from experimenting on homeless people

1001
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: to experimenting on his own dick, I guess that's a

1002
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 1: step forward. I mean, yeah, it's it's it's the step

1003
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: I prefer. I would prefer injecting himself and injecting innocent people,

1004
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: that is, homeless people. But his his claim that like,

1005
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: first of all, two times, if you're only to like

1006
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: be like I injected myself twice before anyone else, first

1007
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: of all, if you want to be serious, twice is

1008
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: not enough. And also, like this just brings me back

1009
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: to my point of him being so consumed with the

1010
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: story and versus the medicine, like he wants to be

1011
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: a pioneer so desperately that that's all he that's all

1012
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: it is, And he's clearly the way he describes the

1013
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: story tells you that like he'd made his mind up

1014
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: about what this was because like a real scientist doing

1015
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: if they did this to themselves, might not like, Okay,

1016
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: well it feels like my orgasms are better. But is

1017
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: it possible that I'm just into medical kink, like like

1018
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: maybe this is just what like and it's not a

1019
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: groundbreaking medical treatment. Perhaps other research should be done. Um. Yeah,

1020
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: but also you should never have That's a really good point.

1021
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: You should never go into anything being like I'm going

1022
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: to be a pioneer because of this, Like that's the

1023
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: whole research and testing Like yeah, but obviously cites he read,

1024
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: he read his Wikipedia pages, cite himself up, are you shipping? Like, yeah, yours?

1025
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: All of this is horrible. Yeah, Now, Dr Charlie he

1026
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: puts it out himself. Yeah he does because he doesn't.

1027
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: He thinks this is fine and he's never really faced

1028
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: consequences for it. So clearly it is sollusion because he's

1029
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: attracted goddam so. Dr Charles Reynolds names another hero on

1030
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: his website, Barry Marshall. Dr Barry Marshall and Marshall is

1031
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: another doctor with a very cool story. In the early

1032
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, Barry Marshall became convinced that peptic ulcers and

1033
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: gastric cancer were both caused by a specific sort of bacterium.

1034
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: Conventional medical wisdom at the time was that ulcers were

1035
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: caused by stress or certain foods. Marshall was ridiculed ridiculed

1036
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: at first for his hypothesis and has been quoted as

1037
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: saying everyone was against me, but I knew I was right.

1038
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: And Dr Marshall eventually proved his hypothesis by drinking a

1039
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: culture filled with ulcer causing bacteria and giving himself an ulcer.

1040
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: His work revolution suctionize the treatment of ulcers and the

1041
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: prevention of gastric cancer. He was awarded a Nobel Prize

1042
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: for his enormous achievement um and you can see why

1043
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: Dr Reynolds likes this guy. Renald's writes about Dr Marshall quote,

1044
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: he gave up gaining acceptance in Australia and then came

1045
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: to the US, and only after the popular press started

1046
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: talking about it the physicians start reading his research. He

1047
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: gave himself an ulcer by drinking the bacteria. Dr Marshall

1048
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: and his acceptance of the prize, quoted Daniel Borstein, the

1049
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: greatest obstacle to knowledge is not ignorance, it is the

1050
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: illusion of knowledge. Now, some of what ronalds says here

1051
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: is true. Doctor Marshall did in fact give himself an ulcer,

1052
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: but there's actually a lot of debate about whether or

1053
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: not the medical community was wrong to be as skeptical

1054
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: about his ideas as they were. Doctor Reynolds claims that

1055
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: the skepticism was only because cutting out ulcers was big

1056
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: business and other doctors had no financial interest in alternative treatments,

1057
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: and this claim is undercut by the fact that Barry

1058
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: Marshall received funding from a major medical institution to spend

1059
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: a whole year conducting his research. He did test it

1060
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: on himself eventually, but he was given funding to do

1061
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: the studies that he was doing. So the idea that like,

1062
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: he did face resistance people who didn't think that what

1063
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: he was suggesting was reasonable. But also there was an

1064
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: institution willing to let him conduct these studies in a

1065
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: controlled and and scientific way. Um, So it's not like

1066
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: he was completely alone, like an institution was like, yeah,

1067
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: there's enough merit to your case that, like, here's some funding,

1068
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: figure it out. Um. You can argue that doctors were

1069
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: more skeptical than they should have been. But Dr Marshall

1070
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: didn't just give himself an ulcer and say, see, I've

1071
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: solved the problem. He had a research partner, he had

1072
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: lab assistance, He worked at an institution. When he proved

1073
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: his hypothesis, more test tests were conducted, and more research

1074
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: was done until an effective treatment was devised. This is

1075
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: how medical science is supposed to work. By contrast, Dr

1076
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: Reynolds did not do go from shooting his own dick

1077
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: or his girlfriend's labia full of blood to conducting double

1078
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: blind clinical trials. Um this would be difficult because he's

1079
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: been banned from doing that sort of work due due

1080
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: to his shame a criminal conduct, borderline criminal conduct. Instead,

1081
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: he left right to not just he left right to

1082
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: selling the O shot. So like the they didn't do,

1083
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: he didn't do what Marshall did. He just starts marketing

1084
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: this thing. After he decides it's effective. That should be

1085
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: a fucking crime. That should be a fucking crime. Seems

1086
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: like it ought to, but it's not. And he started

1087
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: selling and conducting training sessions so other doctors could could

1088
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: sell the O shot too. As of this moment, he's

1089
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: trained at least five hundred medical practitioners and more than

1090
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: twenty women have had the UH the O shot UH

1091
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 1: done on them. Runnalds estimates that it has an eighty

1092
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: five percent success rate, based mainly off of how he feels,

1093
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: because again, no conclusive clinical trials have been done on

1094
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: this treatment. He does have like one or two small

1095
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: batch studies about its efficacy at treating other things that

1096
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: he cites as evidence that the O shot works. However,

1097
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: as Dr jin Gunter notes about one of the studies,

1098
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: the only study of vaginal injections listed on Dr Reynolds's

1099
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: website is in is the Journal of Women's Health Care

1100
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,479
Speaker 1: and open access journal from o Mix Publishing Group, which

1101
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: has been listed as a potentially predatory journal. Now there's

1102
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: no universally agreed upon definition of a predatory journal, but

1103
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: most of them are basically self publishing platforms for scientists.

1104
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: They allow you to publish a study for a fee,

1105
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: and they provide no editing or peer review process because

1106
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: a lot of them don't actually care about putting out

1107
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: good information. Some of these just like ship posting yourself yourself.

1108
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: It's like medium for scientists. Yeah, exactly, I was just

1109
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: thinking about uh. Gunter continues quote regardless of the journal.

1110
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: It is a stretch to call this paper a study.

1111
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: It's a case series of eleven women with a variety

1112
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: of sexual complaints raging from disperunia UH to orgasmic disorder

1113
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: the sexual dysfunction experienced by a woman with disperunia. Never

1114
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: mind that there are a multitude of very different conditions

1115
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: that can cause disperunia, so it really shouldn't be a

1116
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: single diagnosis in the study cannot be compared with the

1117
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: sexual dysfunction of a woman with an arousal disorder. The

1118
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: results of the eleven women six reported some kind of improvement,

1119
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: but honestly the statistics are of no value given the

1120
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: small samples eyes and the fact that there are four

1121
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: very different diagnoses lumped together. I also can't tell if

1122
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: it was retrospective or perspective. The two women who had

1123
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: minimal procedure pro procedure dysfunction reported extreme arousal for one

1124
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: to two weeks afterwards. This is the only bad effect

1125
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: noted in the twelve to sixteen week follow up. The

1126
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: paper is a very short follow up, but Dr Reynolds's

1127
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: website claims the oh shot last at least eighteen months,

1128
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: but up to three years for some women. So there's

1129
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: just nothing really to back him up. Um, he has

1130
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: paid to have enough of something that looks enough like

1131
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: a study performed that he can claim that he's gotten

1132
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: medical backing and no more because a real study might

1133
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: reveal But this doesn't work very well, so that's good.

1134
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: That just makes me so mad. And I'm realizing now,

1135
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm realizing now that I didn't really have to divulge

1136
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: or like or like a broadcast that I'm like struggled

1137
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: with this thing because I don't know why. I just

1138
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: felt the needs just like be so candid. I just

1139
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: have no absolutely no filter. But I will say, think

1140
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: about this stuff is so important because if someone had

1141
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: talked about it the way I'm talking about it when

1142
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: I was younger, I wouldn't have felt like such a

1143
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: fucking freak and I wouldn't have felt like such a

1144
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: like a just like like I wouldn't have not felt

1145
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: human in my inability to feel this very human thing.

1146
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: And so I like was thinking that maybe like I

1147
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't have said it, but now I'm like doubling down

1148
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: and I'm just the the reality that I'm even having

1149
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: that thought, Like if women are continually afraid to even

1150
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 1: breach the subject or or or broach the subject, rather

1151
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: encourages people like this fucking just disgusting human being taking

1152
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: advantage of women that are so desperate to feel something

1153
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: and just like understand what receiving pleasure is like. And

1154
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: like I can do all my homework, I can like

1155
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: like like practice all these things, I can buy toys

1156
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: or whatever, but I am going to be I'm going

1157
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: to know my body better than any fucking hack ever will,

1158
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: And like women should be encouraged to really do that

1159
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: more so than I don't know, I'm just I'm just

1160
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: getting heated. I'm getting this is a frustrating story. Yeah,

1161
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: it's a very frustrating story. Um because like yeah, like

1162
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: all grifters, he's praying on a real vulnerability, Like this

1163
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: is a thing that like like like like women who

1164
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: you know are are struggling with the thing that you've

1165
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: been very open about struggling with. That's a painful vulnerability.

1166
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: And he knows that it means he can fleece them

1167
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: for a shipload of money. Um yeah, and it's that's

1168
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: obviously has and he's meant He's become a very wealthy

1169
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: from it. Yeah, Yeah, exactly, like that's that's that's that's

1170
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: just infuriating. Yeah, it gets infuriating her. Dr Gunter has

1171
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: done a lot of like looking into this guy's like

1172
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: like digital presence. She notes that in the paper that

1173
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: he had published that's purporting to be a real study

1174
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: about this stuff, he listed his address as medical school,

1175
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: Comma Birmingham, Comma Alabama, Comma USA. This is not a

1176
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: medical school. Yeah, he just stuck medical school on his

1177
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: address because he knows that no one looking to get

1178
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: this treatment will check any further. Um, yeah, it's awesome,

1179
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: now do yeah. Yeah. And in Dr Gunter's opinion, the

1180
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: most unsettling thing about kind of the lack of information

1181
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: about the efficacy of the O shot is that there

1182
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: are no animal studies to show how the vaginal epithelium

1183
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: might respond to p RP. Quote. The bulk of the

1184
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: published studies involved wounds and tendons muscles, not healthy vaginal tissue.

1185
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: This is a very important point because it is possible

1186
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: that PRP could increase the growth of blood vessels into

1187
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: vaginal tissues, and we don't know if that is good

1188
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: or bad. If a woman has human pamplona virus in

1189
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,919
Speaker 1: her vagina and gets a p RP injection that could

1190
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: cause the HPV to spread or make it more likely

1191
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: to develop into cancer. Could it cause scarring? Could it

1192
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: lead to unregular lated growth of nerve endings and cause pain?

1193
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: Could it trigger trigger autoimmune conditions of the vagina revolva?

1194
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: She's pointing out, we just don't know, and this is

1195
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: why you don't start injecting performing a treatment in tens

1196
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: of thousands of women when we don't know any of

1197
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,439
Speaker 1: this stuff, like you research it for you, Like there's

1198
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: a case you never jump to human trial. You never

1199
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: do that. There there is a case for hastening human

1200
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: trials in the event of, say a horrific plague spreading

1201
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: over the land, and you really need to get a

1202
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: vaccine out fastest. There's a cost benefit analysis that can

1203
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: be done, and things can be accelerated. But this is

1204
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: not an immediate life or death issue, like orgasms are important,

1205
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: but we can take the time to make sure this

1206
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: isn't going to cause horrible damage to the people getting

1207
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: the shot, Like right, this isn't like a vaccine for

1208
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: a death plague. You know, we have the time and

1209
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: energy being given to it to make it so we

1210
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: can do it right, Like, this is a serious issue,

1211
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's just for a for a medical standpoint,

1212
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: you never like it's it's just it's very frustrating. It's

1213
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: very frustrating. So after all this, we've established, you know

1214
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: how reckless this guy is and how unproven his treatment is.

1215
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: And the question that follows, naturally is why do you

1216
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,919
Speaker 1: keep people keep buying it? And the answer for that

1217
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: is is really fucking sad. And it ties into the

1218
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: stuff we're talking about at the top of this episode.

1219
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: A lot of women are a lot of people with

1220
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: vaginas can't organize or orgasm reliably, and the best treatment

1221
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: for this seems to be a combination of therapy and

1222
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: having a committed partner who cares about your understanding or

1223
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: cares about understanding your body. Um, you can't prescribe that right,

1224
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: like to a certain extent, you can't. You can't like

1225
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: no doctor can like write that on a sheet and

1226
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: hand it out to you. Um. Falling in love, or

1227
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: at least falling in like enough to have regular sex

1228
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: is not easy. Um. And so Dr Runnelds offers an

1229
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: easy answer, an injectable answer to what is really a

1230
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: very complicated question. And this helps explain the demand for

1231
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: dr orgasms services, but it doesn't explain why so many

1232
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: women do swear by his work. And for that explanation,

1233
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: we're going to have to turn back to that article

1234
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: in The Guardian by Kathleen Hale. The opening paragraphs of

1235
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: this article about Runnals are filled with more red flags

1236
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: than a Communist Party rally. And I'm gonna quote here Runnalds.

1237
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: His office isn't like anything. Isn't anything like the sterile

1238
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,759
Speaker 1: exam rooms most women associate with gynecological exams. It's intimate,

1239
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: personal and cozy because in addition to treating thousands of

1240
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: patients there over the years, he also lives there. There's

1241
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: a small entry way. The small entry way opens up

1242
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: to a living room dominated by jim equipment. In the bathroom,

1243
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: I found a functioning shower and shelves filled with employees toiletries.

1244
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: The only examination table was separated from the kitchen by

1245
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: a curtain. Pamela, Julian Vivianne. The three women on Renalds

1246
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 1: is four person staff greeted me with open arms in

1247
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: order to better understand what they promoted. Pamela and Vivian

1248
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: told me they both had O shots administered by Runnels. Mark,

1249
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: the sole male employee, opted for the male version a

1250
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: P shot. If you're like me, that stuff gives you

1251
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: some flashbacks to to Dr John Brown, like you know,

1252
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: the guy we talked about who did horrific surgeries from

1253
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,919
Speaker 1: his own home on on trans people. UM. It's generally

1254
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: not considered ideal for a doctor to perform operations in

1255
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: his own home, but it's also not impossible for such

1256
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: a situation to be sterile, and I have not heard

1257
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: any allegations that Dr Reynolds is set up violates any

1258
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 1: health codes. UM. The part where all of his employees

1259
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: used the medicine that he makes is real culty in

1260
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: a bit of a flag though UM and the cult

1261
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: vibes don't decline. As the article goes on, quote, as

1262
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: we awaited for the arrival of my first interview subject,

1263
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: Lacy Reynolds suggested that I might want to try the

1264
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: O shot for myself. You'll love it, Vivian said. She

1265
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: told me that doctors regularly flew in from all over

1266
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: the world to be trained in the procedure, and that

1267
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: initially they reacted to offers of free O shots, just

1268
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: as I had, with a mix of embarrassment and surprise,

1269
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: but by the end she said everyone wanted one. I mean,

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01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: it's kind of I can kind of understand, like if

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01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: you go to a dentist or orthodontist, you want everyone

1272
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: there to have straight teeth, right, like you want everyone

1273
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: there to have had braces or whatever. But this is

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01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: completely be different, Like it's not the same thing. And

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01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: I do think I think the fact that it's in

1276
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: a house and not in a more sterile place, I

1277
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: think that lends to getting these women to trust him,

1278
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: like it's more intimate, and it's more it is you're, you're, you're,

1279
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: you're praying on them in very emotional mental ways that

1280
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: they don't even realize it's you're you're making them feel

1281
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: like they're yeah, that that that they're safe, but they're not.

1282
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: And it feels like the kind of classes he does

1283
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: with the doctors, the in person ones at least, are

1284
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: kind of like that too. Um. There's a line in

1285
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: here where Reynolds laughs quote recalling how the last class

1286
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: had run until three in the morning just to accommodate demand,

1287
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: and he says it's like a Baptist revival. Except you're

1288
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: injecting each other's genitals. I know that's sucking wild Yeah now, hay.

1289
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: This Guardian All article by Kathleen Hale also notes that

1290
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: the location for Renalds is off this, which is fair Hope.

1291
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: Alabama is in the middle of the Bible Belt, and

1292
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: it's a place where vibrators are illegal due to the

1293
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 1: state's anti obscenity laws. Um. Where I grew up in

1294
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: Texas was like that too. They had to market them

1295
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,799
Speaker 1: as cake toppers, like as like decorations for like cakes

1296
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: for bachelorette parties and stuff, even though yeah, yeah, because

1297
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: it's illegal to sell a vibrator because Texas hates hates women. Um, yeah,

1298
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I had no idea. Yeah. And and the

1299
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: data here is imperfect. Um, but there is a decent

1300
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: amount of data that suggests that highly religious women, and

1301
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: particularly like religiously orthodox type women, are more likely to

1302
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: suffer from orgasmic disorders than secular women. Um. And the

1303
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: women hail in views, I can. I can tell you why.

1304
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: I can. Obviously, Like you're grown your you grow up

1305
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: with shame around your body, and that shame has this you.

1306
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: You have this inability to really let go and experience pleasure.

1307
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: Like obviously that makes sense, but he's like pretty much

1308
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: taking advantage of that, Like he's capitalizing on this group

1309
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 1: of women having the issue that he is pretending to

1310
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: know how to solve. Yes, And it makes sense that

1311
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: this guy who otherwise you would expect a doctor like

1312
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: this to be like in Los Angeles. I think he

1313
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 1: picked his location. I think he decided to stay in

1314
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: Alabama for a reason, and it's that he's very good

1315
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: at manipulating this particular kind of of person, very like

1316
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: religious conservative ladies who have orgasmic disorders, and he's good

1317
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: at making them trust him. Um. Yeah, yeah Hale's article. Yeah,

1318
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 1: so it's um. The women that Hale interviews for that

1319
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:43,799
Speaker 1: article described themselves overwhelmingly as um very empathetic, Bible believing

1320
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: Christians like the women who have gotten this shot, and

1321
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: an outsized number of them are unfortunately victims of raper

1322
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: sexual assault. UM quote. Lacy and athletic, forty year old

1323
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: businesswoman told no one when she was raped for the

1324
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: first time at age thirteen, but soon her father noticed

1325
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: something different about her and started calling her horror and

1326
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: a lesbian. Physical abuse followed when Lacey's next rapist. Her

1327
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: husband found himself unable to climax unless Lacey was in

1328
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: excruciating pain. He raped her throughout their tenure relationship. UM.

1329
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, and the damage from this left her, at

1330
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: twenty nine years old with um incontinence uh and scarring UM.

1331
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: She went the bed uh and she was just kind

1332
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: of unable to orgasm. UM. Doctors responded to her condition

1333
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: concerns by suggesting she used lube with her partners and

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01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: undergo psychotherapy. UM. And by age thirty, Lacey never expected

1335
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: to experience sexual pleasure again. UM. She tried using a

1336
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: back massager to stimulate herself, but it left a callous

1337
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: on her clitteress. UM. So she just didn't know how to. Yeah,

1338
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: she's just a victim of of of unbelievable abuse, UM

1339
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 1: who did not know how to like like like like

1340
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: who was maybe getting some psych psychological counseling, but because

1341
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: of where she lived and sort of like the the

1342
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: culture she was in, was not able to really talk

1343
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: about sex with anyone and never had that conversation, never

1344
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: had a conversation about how to masturbate. And then she

1345
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: meets Dr Reynolds UM and they meet at a bank

1346
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: and she learns what he does, and she confides in

1347
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: him that she can't orgasm, and he tells her that

1348
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: he knows something that might help, and I get the feeling.

1349
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: She says that he gave her the O shot and

1350
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: she immediately felt alive down there. You get the feeling though,

1351
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: that also they're having just conversations about sex and maybe

1352
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: she's never gotten to have that. He's giving her an

1353
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 1: intimacy she's never known. And I don't want to I

1354
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: don't want to discredit any of what these women have

1355
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: felt or no, no, no, but there is a level

1356
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: of placebo that goes into this, like you, it's leading

1357
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: up to it, just like the connection with with the

1358
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: with the women, the this promise of of like just

1359
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: like everyone telling them it's going to work, the staff

1360
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: and everything like, there's going to be a certain amount

1361
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: of placebo that just by default is there because it's

1362
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: so high and and the data we have makes it

1363
01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: very clear that having healthy conversations about your your genitalia

1364
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: and about sex with people who care about you, or

1365
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 1: at least seem to care about you really helps with

1366
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: an orgasmic disorder. That's a super important part of treating

1367
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: it and there's again this is part of why, like

1368
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: why you need an actual study on something like this,

1369
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: because there's no separation for like the conversations they're having

1370
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 1: in like the intimacy of the encounter and the shot,

1371
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: Like none of that's being separated. There's no way to

1372
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: know what the shot is doing, if actually anything, because

1373
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: a whole lot is wrapped up in all of these

1374
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: women's stories with Dr Reynolds and that's but that just

1375
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 1: helps in Yeah, it does help him it, but it

1376
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: does not necessarily help these women. It doesn't help us

1377
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: to know if this thing actually works. Um. Yeah, which

1378
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: is why skeptics like Dr jin Gunter will point out

1379
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: that anecdotal data is not the same as scientific data.

1380
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: And she points that out, pointed that out to Kathleen

1381
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: Hale and the Guardian article because Hale talked to Dr

1382
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: Gunter um and Hale understood that, but also had a

1383
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: lot of trouble writing off these women's experiences. Um. She

1384
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: was clearly convinced to it a read by their embrace

1385
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: of the O shot. And it's very convincing when you

1386
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of people say this thing helped me. Um.

1387
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: She did ask Renalds, though, why he tended to gravitate

1388
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: towards trauma victims, and his answer was interesting. He responded, quote,

1389
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't really know why I'm surrounded by people who

1390
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: have pain. I do absolutely make a conscious effort to

1391
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: find them. I think my real usefulness evolves out of

1392
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: It's not even compassion, it's more like obsession, which is yeah,

1393
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: more of an honest answer, Yeah, it should be right,

1394
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: what the yeah? And that is that's there is a

1395
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: reason why cult leaders gravitate towards abuse victims, as do grifters.

1396
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: Um Because in general, our society doesn't a ship job

1397
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: of taking care of these people. Um. And it's a

1398
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: natural human need to respond to people who reach out

1399
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: and show compassion for you in times of lonely darkness.

1400
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 1: And I think this explains part of Dr Reynolds's success UM.

1401
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: And another part of it is explained by what's called

1402
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: placebo theater, which is very well documented fact that receiving

1403
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,839
Speaker 1: any kind of treatment in a clinical medical setting, especially

1404
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: if it's expensive, will increase a patient's belief that the

1405
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: treatment will work and actually increase the efficacy of the treatment.

1406
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: This is a placebo effect thing, and it doesn't help

1407
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: a lot when you're treating metastatic cancer. But a lot

1408
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: of orgasm. Orgasm is mental, right, Like, that's where the

1409
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: block comes up for a lot of people. And it's

1410
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,600
Speaker 1: not unheard of four placebos to be effective enough to

1411
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: sixty percent of cases for these sorts of situations, because again,

1412
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: you don't actually have to physically affect, you just have

1413
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: to make them believe, like, and if they believe it

1414
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: will work. This is primarily a mental block. That's all

1415
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 1: it is. I mean not all it is. There's more.

1416
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: That's a lot of it. Yeah, a big part of

1417
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: the research that I've been doing personally, like it's it's

1418
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 1: a they talk a lot about letting go and ways

1419
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 1: to make your mind, Yeah, like let go essentially of everything.

1420
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: That's like, because there's this pressure around even achieving the

1421
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: word achieving an orgasm is like so I think counterintuitive

1422
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: because it makes it seem like you're reaching for something constantly,

1423
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: and if you're having sex with a partner, at least

1424
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: in my experience, I always felt like I'm never going

1425
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: to give them what they want because I can't do

1426
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: this thing that I'm supposed to be doing. And so

1427
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: then I then I get really into like giving rather

1428
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: than receiving. And I get a lot of pleasure out

1429
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: of that. But then it kind of like when you're

1430
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 1: really grappling with this idea of um, yeah, the fact

1431
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: that it's all mental. It's all mental, because if you're

1432
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 1: too consumed with I'm I can't do this thing, or

1433
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 1: or if you're even thinking like I have to let go,

1434
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: I have to like go, that's not letting go. And

1435
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,560
Speaker 1: so I can only imagine like all these elements that

1436
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: allow women too for their minds, Like he's making them

1437
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: comfortable enough to believe that this is going to help

1438
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: them and that in and of itself makes them feel better.

1439
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: And and if that's all he was doing, I wouldn't

1440
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: have any problem with this guy. I mean I would

1441
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: because of the homeless people study, but like I would

1442
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 1: have a problem with this current business. Like if this

1443
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 1: guy would just like, hey, I'm a doctor in the

1444
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: Bible Belt and I help women who have problems orgasm,

1445
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: ng um, and a lot of women said he helped them,

1446
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,520
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, fine, great, but he's also injecting

1447
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: them with He's also performing a medical operation that we

1448
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: have no data on what kind of long term harm

1449
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: it might do. To them like, that's that's where the

1450
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: issue is, right, Um, that's yeah, And it's not just therapy,

1451
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: it's not talking, and you're physically doing something to a

1452
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: body he is not medically sound. And another impact comes

1453
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 1: from the fact that the O shot costs about hundred dollars,

1454
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: and controlled studies have shown that spending more money on

1455
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: a medical treatment can increase the placebo effect as well,

1456
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: and even Parkinson's patients have shown physical improvement in situations

1457
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: like this. So again, like a lot of this has

1458
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: nothing to fucking do with whatever he's injecting them with,

1459
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: and everything to do with the psychological atmosphere that this

1460
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: person sets up and his his his his operation. Now,

1461
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: the experts Kathleen Hale talked to mentioned all of this

1462
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: but quote as she but as she writes, quote as

1463
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:01,640
Speaker 1: a layperson, I couldn't help but respect their authority, but

1464
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 1: as a human being was hard for me to discredit

1465
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: so many women's stories when they said the O shot worked,

1466
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: I believe them. So she got the shot herself and

1467
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: it didn't. It didn't do anything. And I think it's

1468
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: just because she didn't. She's never had she didn't have

1469
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: an issue, right, Like she had no problem having orgasms.

1470
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 1: She had the shot and she didn't notice anything, and

1471
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: that is what you would She didn't go into it

1472
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: with the trauma. She didn't go into it with a like,

1473
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: uh something to be fixed. Yeah, you know, like she

1474
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 1: wasn't searching for a like you know, I don't know

1475
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: that makes sense, and it's it's one of those things

1476
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 1: where like, at the end of the day, I have

1477
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: to admit that compared to our usual bastards, the harm

1478
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: this guy is currently perpetrating is minimal. Like, these women

1479
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: are out money, but there's not well, there's not evidency's

1480
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: helping them. There isn't evidence he's hurting them. Although it

1481
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: is possible that he's doing a lot of damage to them,

1482
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: we just don't know for a while because again, nobody's

1483
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: fucking looked into this. Um it's uh, I don't know.

1484
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: Like I hate this I because I think he's a

1485
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: bad person and he's taking advantage of people. Um. But

1486
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: I also I think the thing that I hate more

1487
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: than this guy is the fact that we have such

1488
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: a shitty system set up in our country for any

1489
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: kind of sexual health care, for informing people about their bodies,

1490
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: for giving women who are having this problem a place

1491
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: where they even know they can go to for help. Um,

1492
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: Like that's that system leads him for his success, Like

1493
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: that system made him successful. And I agree with you that,

1494
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: like in the grand scheme of things, he's not like

1495
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 1: a murderer, Like he's not like you've talked about shittier

1496
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: people on your show, for sure, But the institution at large,

1497
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: you're right, is what is contributing to his success. And

1498
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: that institution is so flawed and so broken, and it

1499
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: makes women believe that there's they are there, they that

1500
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 1: that they need to be fixed. And he's capitalizing on

1501
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: that in a huge way. And he's getting away with it.

1502
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,839
Speaker 1: And he should have been banned from everything medical along

1503
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: as time ago, but he's still operating on a level

1504
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: that should be criminal up yep. And he's he's trying

1505
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: to get into coronavirus grift. It's a pretty minor one.

1506
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 1: He wants to like create a nationwide UH blood bank

1507
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: basically to take plasma rich blood from people that have

1508
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: had it, that might have antibodies and give it to

1509
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 1: other people. And like folks who aren't grifters are already

1510
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: doing basically this. He's just trying to create his own thing,

1511
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like it's work. I haven't seen

1512
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: it pick up a lot of steam because he's the

1513
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 1: blood guy. Yeah, so I I don't know. I like,

1514
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: as far as all of the grifters that I worry about,

1515
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: he's not super high on my list. Keep an eye

1516
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: on him because he might wind up with a grift

1517
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: that actually does harm a whole lot of people, where

1518
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: he might find out that his current grift is more

1519
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 1: harmful than we know. I just am so frustrated by

1520
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 1: the story. At the same time, like as with most

1521
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 1: of the grifters who are currently eating the decent and

1522
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 1: often kind of dumb people of this country alive. Um,

1523
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 1: the reason why they're able to do what they do

1524
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 1: is because are we don't take care of our people.

1525
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: There's no systems that that provide people with any option

1526
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: that they have a chance that they have that there

1527
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: is actually a reasonable, non exploited of way to deal

1528
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: with a problem like a sexual problem that they have.

1529
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: And so the first handsome, well spoken person who has

1530
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: what looked like convincing credentials and says he can cure you,

1531
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: you'll you'll just trust him if he has if he

1532
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: has a nice face. And there are so many ways

1533
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: we should have set up our society to to reduce

1534
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: the ability these people would have to um grift the vulnerable,

1535
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: but we have done none of that. And I guess

1536
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 1: that makes sense because this is America. Yeah, I I

1537
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: agree with all of that, and it's really terrible because

1538
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: it's so true. And I am I under I realized

1539
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 1: that most of your listeners Actually, no, I don't realize.

1540
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that a lot of our listeners are men.

1541
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: But for the women out there that are listening to this,

1542
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: I if you, if you relate to anything I said,

1543
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: You're not alone. And I know this is like not

1544
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: supposed to be about my own ship, but I just

1545
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm so angry that someone like this is getting away

1546
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: with something that I've struggled with, like my whole life,

1547
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: and like I'm I'm a sexual person like I and

1548
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: the fact that I have this one thing that's like

1549
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 1: been bugging me my whole life that especially in like

1550
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: today's world where everyone's really empowered and sexually uh just

1551
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: outspoken and everything. As someone who's also progressive, it makes

1552
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 1: me feel like I can't keep up, Like it makes

1553
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: me feel like I'm not. I can't really understand where

1554
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: everyone's coming from. And maybe it'll happen one day, maybe

1555
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 1: it won't. But just accepting that where you are right

1556
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: now is where you are is so much better than

1557
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: being I don't know, berating yourself or something that is

1558
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: not in your control, like you just I don't know.

1559
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 1: I just wanted to end this in like a poetic way,

1560
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: and it's not coming out the way I wanted to.

1561
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 1: There's just people feel I just don't want people to

1562
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: feel like this is a subject that we shouldn't talk

1563
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: about because I had hesitation admitting that I've never like

1564
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: that I have. I don't know this experience and I

1565
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: like I have my my sexual history is like a

1566
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: little bit confusing just because I don't know I am

1567
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: the way I am. But um but I think the

1568
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: fact that me even coming from someone who just shot

1569
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 1: all over this guy and would never do this thing,

1570
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: I can't deny that. There was a little, a little

1571
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 1: voice in my head. I was like, what if it

1572
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: does work? Like what if this is like like when

1573
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,759
Speaker 1: we first started talking about it, and I was like, well,

1574
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: maybe this is the answer to all my problems and

1575
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 1: this is coming from someone I think I'm not. I

1576
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 1: think I'm like reasonably intelligent. So I don't know. I

1577
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:54,600
Speaker 1: just think the depth of shame and trauma that we

1578
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: hold with ourselves is just not okay, and we just

1579
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 1: have to come at this whole thing with like love.

1580
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: And I haven't talked to human all day today, so

1581
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: I forget how conversations work. So please come me off

1582
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: at any time. You're great. I'm sweaty. I'm so sweaty

1583
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: talking about so. I don't know. I just thank thank

1584
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: you for having me on to talk about this. I

1585
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 1: just thank you for talking. I was supposed to say no,

1586
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you're supposed to say, yeah, that's fine, Like

1587
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 1: it's it's important to talk about this. I guarantee there

1588
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: are people who will listen to this and have a

1589
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: version of the same experience you're having, and it will

1590
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 1: probably make them feel better to know that they're not

1591
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: alone in that, and that's a good thing. And if

1592
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 1: we're talking about things that reduce the ability of guys

1593
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 1: like this to grift people, it is being able to

1594
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 1: talk about this ship. So I'm glad that you felt

1595
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: comfortable talking about it to an intimate audience of me

1596
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: and Sophie and several hundred thousand strangers. Cool. Thanks, Robert.

1597
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: I am going to I will say right now, if

1598
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: any of the fucking dudes listening do creepy ship on Twitter?

1599
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: Do you after is, I will fucking tear your as

1600
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: a new one digit. Don't be a fucking gross about this. Okay,

1601
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: don't nobody nobody? Yeah, thank you, Robert. I appreciate that.

1602
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like I just I go back to this

1603
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 1: idea that if someone was as open, if someone if

1604
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: if if it was the norm to be open about this,

1605
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel so weird as a kid or as

1606
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: a as a teen or whatever growing up kind of

1607
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 1: feeling like there was something wrong with me. And so

1608
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: I think we just have to keep encouraging these conversations.

1609
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: And it's the same institution that put this guy to

1610
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: be successful, that that same institution, the same societal fucking

1611
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: game is the same one that makes women like me

1612
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 1: feel like they need to be fixed. So um So yeah,

1613
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean, like I know, like putting myself out there

1614
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: is like just like by default get like weird replies

1615
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: to it or whatever, or just like it going to

1616
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: be an interesting week on Twitter for you. Yeah, also

1617
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm like a little bit low key afrase. I'm like,

1618
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: because I was, like I was raised Muslim, My entire

1619
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: family's Muslim. We don't really talk about like you're not

1620
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 1: really raised to like talk about sex or uh. There's

1621
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: just a lot to unpack as far as like me

1622
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 1: talking about this goes like it's not just me as

1623
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 1: a woman in the society, it's also me and like

1624
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 1: my culture and like my family in particular, Like I

1625
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 1: just there's a lot to unpack for me here, and

1626
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: it's this is not like I'm using this as therapy,

1627
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: which I shouldn't do. Um, but I think even coming

1628
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: from like as an Arab woman, as a Syrian woman,

1629
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: that's even another group of people that I would like

1630
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 1: to encourage this conversation with, like with it, you know,

1631
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: because like if your children a child of immigrants, if

1632
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: you're you're not taught about these things is when you're

1633
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: growing up, it's just going to lead to more confusion

1634
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: and to lead to more questions and not that's not

1635
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 1: like a blanket statement, like there are plenty of people

1636
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 1: who are fine and thriving the way they are, but

1637
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 1: this is just from my own personal experience that um,

1638
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 1: I think that's why I'm so unfiltered and so candid

1639
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: is because I just needed someone to be this way

1640
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and I needed to say

1641
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: everything that was on their mind because that's that would

1642
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: would that would have made me feel less like an

1643
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 1: alien trying to study humanity watching porn, you know what

1644
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, Yeah, I don't know. I mean I

1645
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 1: think the thing you're landing on is that when you

1646
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,600
Speaker 1: realize you are kind of done dirty by your society

1647
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 1: and the adults around you when you were a kid

1648
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 1: because of like a failure that they that they had,

1649
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, regardless of whether or not we consider them

1650
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 1: good people, like there was a there was a shortcoming

1651
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:45,679
Speaker 1: in what we had available to us as a kid.

1652
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 1: When you realize that the best thing you can do

1653
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 1: is try to be that adult um maybe to someone else,

1654
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 1: so that they don't wind up with the same hole

1655
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: in their um, experience, their education, whatever, as as as

1656
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 1: they grow up. And that starts with like talking about

1657
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 1: the ship that you realize like, oh, I wish people

1658
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 1: had talked about this when I was a kid. Yeah,

1659
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm constantly trying to be the person that I needed

1660
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: when I was a child. And when you're growing up,

1661
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: you don't see it as a societal failure. You see

1662
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:16,759
Speaker 1: it as your own failure. And I think that's what's dangerous,

1663
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to like woman's pleasure, is that

1664
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: you don't see it as a system failing you. You

1665
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: see as you failing yourself, and you fail like you're

1666
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 1: failing your own body, and you start to resent your

1667
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: body and like, why can't I do this? And then

1668
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: hopefully as we get older and become more aware of

1669
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 1: the society at large that makes us feel this way,

1670
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: then we can like combat those things and just become

1671
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 1: the people we were always meant to be, which is

1672
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: just ourselves. And that's my spiel. Thank you for coming

1673
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,959
Speaker 1: to my ted talk. Uh. This is the only podcast

1674
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: on earth. Thank you for thank you for having me

1675
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:53,440
Speaker 1: on the only podcast to make it in this pandemic.

1676
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: What an honor. I know the white list is so long.

1677
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Just if you're looking for something to do

1678
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: during this time, I might recommend a book of poetry

1679
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: written by A. Sharne that is on Amazon called dime

1680
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: Piece It. Wow. Thank you so much, Sophie. Thank you.

1681
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm currently working on my next one, so that is nice.

1682
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: Thank you. Also, since we're just another thing to do

1683
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: is just try masturbating. That's you know what. Now is

1684
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: the time. Now is the time to really just like

1685
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: try to figure it out when like you have so

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01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 1: many hours in the day. You actually you have exactly

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01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 1: twenty four that's that's that's a fact. But you have

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01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: time to explore yourself if that's what you want to do.

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01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 1: And I'm sure many of you already doing that. But

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01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 1: this has been quite the journey for me. And doing

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01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 1: your homework is it means a lot of things, you know,

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01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 1: So just do your homework on your body, on yourself,

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01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 1: on your mind, you know what. That's I've said my piece.

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01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: Cool alright, Um well, I don't really know how else

1695
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 1: to in the episode other than um, think a lot

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01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 1: about all this and uh go unfunded the world. Yeah,

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01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 1: and masterbait funk yourself to unfunck the world. That's the

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01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 1: only message I have. I co host a podcast on

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Speaker 1: the Heart Media network Heart Radio Network. It's ethnically ambiguous.

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01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 1: We talk to people that are um uh marginalized about

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01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: their struggles in the world, and we also just talk

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01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: about ourselves being children of immigrants. I am Sharine You

1703
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: can follow me at Shiro Hero s h e E

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01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 1: r O h E r O on Instagram and on Twitter.

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01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: It's Shiro Hero six six six. Thank you Sophie for

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01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 1: plugging my book. I'm a filmmaker. I have some short

1707
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: films on my website. You can just my everything is

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01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 1: like in my Twitter bio or some ship I don't

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01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: know whatever, figure it out just google me. Um. But yeah,

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01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 1: that's about it. I have another podcast called The Women's War. Yes,

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01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: you check it out. It's upbeat. I also have nothing else.

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01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 1: That is My whole life is these two podcasts. And

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01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 1: I returned to avoid in between space and time when

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01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,560
Speaker 1: you are not listening to me, So please listen again regularly.

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01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 1: And thanks for letting me ramble a little bit on this. Yeah, thanks,

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01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 1: thanks for letting me just ramble and go. I know

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01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: this is like a longer episode that I just I

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01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: thought I got worked up. I think it's good that

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01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 1: you did and that you said the things you said,

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01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: So thank you for coming on and speaking candidly. And

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Speaker 1: uh again, don't be weird about this. People, don't be

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01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 1: fucking creepy. Okay, well fucking handle find whatever. I'll just

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Speaker 1: meet you that is the episode Hi