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Speaker 2: Enjoy the episode.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Hey Animation.

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Speaker 4: Do you mind if I toss this mic on you?

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Speaker 3: Could you just stay your name?

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Speaker 5: I'm Travis Walton. Today is January twenty ninth.

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Speaker 3: How long has it been?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 5: Forty five years? Forty five years and three months. But

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Speaker 5: some things don't change, you know, Some things about it

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Speaker 5: haven't gotten any easier at all. I wish that this

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Speaker 5: had never happened. It's not been a good thing for

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Speaker 5: my life, for my family in some ways, they don't

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Speaker 5: even see the real me, you know.

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Speaker 1: This morning I woke up, had breakfast and some coffee, showered,

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Speaker 1: then went to my office. I had a few zoom calls,

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Speaker 1: a quick lunch, did some scrolling on TikTok and Instagram,

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Speaker 1: sent a few emails and some more emails the.

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Speaker 7: First yawn of the day.

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Speaker 1: Left my office, went to my local neighborhood bar. I

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Speaker 1: love a good Jim Martini, a phone call, another email,

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Speaker 1: another email, time to eat dinner and go to sleep.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think you get it.

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Speaker 1: We all have a version of this, a routine, a pattern,

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Speaker 1: our habits, whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: We all have shit.

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Speaker 1: To do, more than enough to worry about, jobs, relationships, politics, religion, COVID, whatever,

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Speaker 1: the next version of COVID is an endless amount of

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Speaker 1: things to keep our minds busy. Life can feel like

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Speaker 1: a hamster wheel doing the things we know until we

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Speaker 1: get too tired and fall asleep.

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Speaker 2: That sounded depressing.

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Speaker 1: My point is it's almost by default that we as

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Speaker 1: humans remain focused on what's right in front of us,

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Speaker 1: and for the most part we have to. But if

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Speaker 1: you ever just stop, stop and step outside and just

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Speaker 1: look at the sky, sometimes all the things in our

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Speaker 1: daily lives suddenly feel incredibly small, and maybe that's a

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Speaker 1: good thing.

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Speaker 8: The Earth is a very small stage in a vast

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Speaker 8: cosmic arena. Our planet is a lonely speck in the

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Speaker 8: great enveloping cosmic dark, the pale blue dot.

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Speaker 1: This is the voice of the late Carl Sagan, renowned

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Speaker 1: astronomer and an astrophysicist, famously describe the Earth as a

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Speaker 1: pale blue dot. He put our tiny existence into perspective,

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Speaker 1: artfully explaining not only our responsibility to each other, but

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Speaker 1: also to our planet.

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Speaker 7: Consider again that dot.

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Speaker 5: That's here, that's home, that's us.

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Speaker 8: Everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of,

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Speaker 8: Like it or not, for the moment, the Earth is

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Speaker 8: where we make our stand. To me, it underscores our

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Speaker 8: responsibility to deal more kindly with one another and to

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Speaker 8: preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only on.

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Speaker 5: We've ever known.

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Speaker 1: My name is Payne Lindsay, and for the last five

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Speaker 1: years or so, I've spent my career making true crime

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Speaker 1: podcasts and investigating cold cases. Ever since I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: gazing up at the stars with something I love to do,

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Speaker 1: wondering what else could be out there, or if there

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Speaker 1: was anything at all. Well, scientifically speaking, the likelihood of

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Speaker 1: intelligent life existing somewhere else in the universe at this

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Speaker 1: point is almost certain. Space is literally so big that

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Speaker 1: it makes our numeric system look stupid trying to explain it. Example,

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Speaker 1: we live in the Milky Way, Venus, Earth, Mars, you

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Speaker 1: know the rest. There are over one hundred billion more

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Speaker 1: planets in the same galaxy and beyond the Milky Way.

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Speaker 1: It's believed that there are likely ten trillion more galaxies.

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Speaker 2: So doing the math.

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Speaker 1: That brings us to a whopping one septilian number of

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Speaker 1: planets in the universe. That's a one with twenty four

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Speaker 1: zeros after it. What are the odds? We're just so

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Speaker 1: damn lucky one inceptilian, I guess. But even if science

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Speaker 1: supports the idea of extraterrestrial life, we here on Earth

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Speaker 1: have an incredibly hard time grappling with it. Hoaxes, pseudoscience,

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Speaker 1: attention seeking people. It's all clearly muddy the waters. And

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 2: Little green men are fun.

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Speaker 1: They look cool on a T shirt or a mug

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Speaker 1: from a gift shop, But what's the real deal here?

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Speaker 1: Very quietly, over the last two years, the conversation surrounding

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Speaker 1: UFOs has started to slowly shift. Navy pilots have come forward.

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Speaker 2: With evidence, my god.

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Speaker 1: Aircraft maneuvering in ways that defy our current understanding of

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Speaker 1: the laws of physics.

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Speaker 2: Congress is meeting about it, NASA has joined the SARCH.

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Speaker 1: If there's ever been a time to look at the

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Speaker 1: subject a little more seriously, it's probably right now.

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Speaker 9: UFOs on radar harassing a US Navy warship off the

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Speaker 9: California coast.

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Speaker 10: This Navy video showing the pilot's reaction to the strange

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Speaker 10: aerial encounter. What pilots described as aircraft that flew in

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Speaker 10: a manner that defied physics.

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Speaker 7: It's rotating, by god, the whole I have a look

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Speaker 7: on the NFA.

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Speaker 11: The UAPs or unexplained aerial phenomena, that's what the military

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Speaker 11: calls them, physical evidence of off world vehicles not made

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Speaker 12: Earth, no wings, rotors or detectable exhausts, Unable to track

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Speaker 12: where they came from or where they disappeared.

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Speaker 7: Tool on it.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, I hope that's a plane.

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Speaker 13: Oh gee, please be applying, How please we can hire you?

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Speaker 5: Ready for this cha?

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Speaker 1: And sure there's no wide eyed alien saying take me

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Speaker 1: to your leader here, But there is a record number

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Speaker 1: of strange sightings in the sky throughout the entire world

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Speaker 1: that no country on Earth has been able to rationally explain.

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Speaker 1: Yet this question are we alone? Has been an everlasting

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Speaker 1: drive throughout human history. If we could just shake it

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Speaker 1: all down, cut through all the nonsense, if we could

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Speaker 1: dissect all the real evidence we have today with an

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Speaker 1: open mind and a healthy amount of skepticism what might

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Speaker 1: we actually find, because I think learning the truth about

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Speaker 1: anything is supremely important. Part of evolving is simply opening

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Speaker 1: your mind to possibility.

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Speaker 2: But the ultimate challenge.

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Speaker 1: In this way of thinking still remains, we all have

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Speaker 1: shit to do, and even if we found all the

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Speaker 1: answers going to change my life today or the responsibilities

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Speaker 1: I have tomorrow. But maybe it's a big enough question

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Speaker 1: worth leaving the monotony of my daily routine and just

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Speaker 1: attempt to answer. I'm stepping off the hamster wheel because

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Speaker 1: I know it'll be right there waiting for me if

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Speaker 1: I ever decide to come back.

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Speaker 2: All you have to do is listen. Welcome to high strange.

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Speaker 14: Do you believe in UFOs? Applying the correct definition to

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Speaker 14: the word UFO, that question doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 5: What they're really saying.

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Speaker 14: When they ask do you believe in UFOs? Is do

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Speaker 14: you believe that we're being visited by extraterrestrials? They're not

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Speaker 14: saying do you believe that there are objects in the sky.

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Speaker 14: We can't explain two very different things. If you said

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Speaker 14: to somebody I study UFOs, they laugh. I try to

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Speaker 14: even avoid the word UFO. I study data about objects

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Speaker 14: in the sky that we can't explain.

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Speaker 2: This is Leslie Kane.

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Speaker 1: She studied UFOs for over two decades now, written multiple

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Speaker 1: articles for The New York Times and made their best

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Speaker 14: I did not get into UFOs by any kind of

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Speaker 14: intentional design. What happened was I was working at a

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Speaker 14: public radio station in Berkeley, California, in the nineties. This

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Speaker 14: colleague from France sent me this report about UFOs that

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Speaker 14: changed everything for me.

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Speaker 1: The report that made it to her desk was titled

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Speaker 1: UFOs and Defense, a scientific study into whether there were

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Speaker 1: any dangers or national security threats related to UFOs?

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Speaker 14: Are there any dangers? Are they a national security issue

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Speaker 14: because these things are up in the skies? It was

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Speaker 14: a ninety page study written by admirals, generals, a chief

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Speaker 14: of police, police scientists, authoritative people who weren't going to

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Speaker 14: be making up stories. They interviewed all these pilots, and

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Speaker 14: they looked at data from around the world, and they

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Speaker 14: drew the conclusion that the best hypothesis to explain the

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Speaker 14: cases they studied, the most valid, logical, rational explanation for

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Speaker 14: this is that these are visitors from somewhere else. I

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Speaker 14: couldn't believe it that generals and admirals and police officers would.

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Speaker 1: Say that these were all qualified experts from extremely varied backgrounds. Scientists, pilots,

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Speaker 1: technical directors, police chiefs, admirals, air force generals, the kinds

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Speaker 1: of people you'd probably listen to as a journalist.

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Speaker 14: To me, it was like, oh my god, this is huge,

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Speaker 14: the biggest story there is completely blew my mind. Even

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Speaker 14: if there's this small chance that we are being visited

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Speaker 14: by something from another world, isn't that like a massive story.

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Speaker 14: It was to me. I tried to pitch a story

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Speaker 14: to a lot of editors, pitch the story to them,

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Speaker 14: and I learned nobody wants to hear about this topic.

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Speaker 14: The papers were afraid of taking the risk that they

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Speaker 14: would be laughed at. UFOs were completely stigmatized, considered to

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Speaker 14: be a joke.

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Speaker 15: Basically, the stigmatization around UFOs has been an enormous obstacle.

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Speaker 1: This is Brian Bender, senior correspondent for Politico who covers

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Speaker 1: national security.

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Speaker 15: No one wants to be the UFO guy.

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Speaker 2: I too do not want to be the UFO guy.

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Speaker 1: And trust me, I mean it when I say that

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Speaker 1: I feel like the conspiracy rabbit hole surrounding this topic

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Speaker 1: is a dark, slippery slope. It starts with just wanting

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Speaker 1: to know what this thing is. Then the next thing

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Speaker 1: you know, you're analyzing Egyptian pyramids searching for clues from aliens.

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Speaker 7: It's not a career builder.

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Speaker 15: It's not a career builder, it's you know, it's a

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Speaker 15: tenfoil hot wearing Do I want to be considered that person?

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Speaker 15: As a journalist in Washington covering national security for the

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Speaker 15: first twenty years of my career, UFOs never came up

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Speaker 15: at all. I mean, he just wasn't a topic that

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Speaker 15: people talked about. It didn't mean that there weren't people

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Speaker 15: out in the world talking about it, It just was

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Speaker 15: never a topic that as a reporter covering the Pentagon

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Speaker 15: you ever really came across. If I come to my

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Speaker 15: editors and say I want to write about UFOs, you

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Speaker 15: know they're going to.

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Speaker 7: Roll their eyes and I'm not going to be taken

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Speaker 7: very seriously.

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Speaker 15: Summer of twenty seventeen, I got a call from a

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Speaker 15: source of mind. He said, hey, you know, I think

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Speaker 15: I might have a good story if you're interested. There's

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Speaker 15: this guy. He's in the Pentagon. He's a career intelligence

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Speaker 15: officer and he's been working on UFOs. First of all,

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Speaker 15: I was like the UFOs, the Pentagon studying UFOs.

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Speaker 7: Like in modern day. So it was intriguing to me.

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Speaker 15: But at the same time, I was like, you know,

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Speaker 15: I don't know that that's a politico story. There's this guy,

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Speaker 15: he's about to leave the government and he's leaving quite frustrated,

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Speaker 15: but he's ready to go public with this.

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Speaker 7: So I met him. I also did some betting of him.

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Speaker 7: Is he who he says he is? And what is

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Speaker 7: his background and who?

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Speaker 15: Was very clear to me in the beginning that he

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Speaker 15: was very credible, and started digging a little further, peeling

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Speaker 15: back the onion layer. And it turned out the program

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Speaker 15: that he was working on in the Pentagon, that was

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Speaker 15: researching UFO sightings was actually initiated by Senator Harry Reid

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Speaker 15: from Nevada got some of his fellow senators to put

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Speaker 15: twenty two million dollars into the budget, a senior politician

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Speaker 15: who wants the Pentagon to study UFOs, and made it happen.

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Speaker 14: I went to this meeting with Luis Alessando and three

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Speaker 14: My mind was blown. All the journalism I'd done nothing

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Speaker 14: There are real physical objects in the sky that demonstrate

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Speaker 15: What is that How do they do that? How are

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Speaker 7: We really want this.

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Speaker 7: We had decided we were going to go with it.

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Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, both Politico and The New York Times

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Speaker 10: Now, after a series of unusual encounters by Navy jets,

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Speaker 9: The US Navy and.

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Speaker 10: Pentagon are trying to destigmatize reporting what they call unexplained

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Speaker 1: For the first time in American history, there was physical

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Speaker 1: Alongside these Navy videos, Brian and Lesley's stories unearthed the

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Speaker 15: That was created in two thousand and seven was called

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Speaker 15: the Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Program.

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Speaker 7: The acronym was a tip very innocuous sounding name.

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Speaker 7: It was sort of hiding in plain sight.

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Speaker 9: Recent report by The New York Times unveiled the existence

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Speaker 10: Secret UFO program has just been revealed millions of dollars

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Speaker 8: It's a five year secret government program to investigate mysterious

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Speaker 15: It was set up to basically look at UFOs as.

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Speaker 7: We think of them, so you know them whatever you will.

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Speaker 15: Flying saucers in interviewing pilots or other military personnel that

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Speaker 7: Thirty four studies they commissioned.

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Speaker 15: They hired smart people at different universities, scientists to.

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Speaker 15: So, in other words, if the craft is doing this,

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Speaker 7: What kind of propulsion system might you need to be

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Speaker 15: Interviewing some of the witnesses, participants, chronicling what happened and

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Speaker 15: ATIP office. ATIPS spent a lot of time on a

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Speaker 15: particular case involving the USS Nimts aircraft Carrier.

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Speaker 9: The USS Nimets aircraft Carrier and its support ships carrying

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Speaker 7: They're reporting that they're seeing with their.

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Speaker 9: It was so advanced it rendered US capabilities ineffective. It

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Speaker 15: Numerous vehicles basically stalked the aircraft carrier days, and by

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Speaker 9: They could turn itself invisible both to radar and the

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Speaker 7: That became one.

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Speaker 15: Of the main cases that the aid TIP program went

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Speaker 7: To explain is there any way we could understand how

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Speaker 7: Is somebody in them?

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Speaker 15: If that's a bad guy who had that technology, we're

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Speaker 7: They're twaying with us.

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Speaker 1: The first hand accounts from military personnel aboard the USS

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Speaker 15: Nobody cares, nobody's listening. There's this sort of human nature.

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Speaker 1: They were captivating news stories, but that's it. The only

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Speaker 14: Not everybody is on fire about wanting to know more

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Speaker 14: It's absolutely understandable to me. People are making living, raising

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Speaker 7: That gets to the point of the stigma changing.

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Speaker 7: They're saying, enough is enough.

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Speaker 15: Tell us what you know, and if you don't know anything,

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Speaker 7: There's so much scar.

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Speaker 15: Tissue, so much conspiracy theory, so much bs, so difficult

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Speaker 14: A lot of people when they think of UFOs, they

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Speaker 16: New Mexico headline in July eighth, nineteen forty seven, the

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Speaker 1: When it comes to UFO mythology in American history, there's

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, now known infamously as the Roswell Incident.

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Speaker 2: It goes like this.

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Speaker 1: On July eighth, nineteen forty seven, something crashed in the

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Speaker 17: I'm here to discuss so called flying Saucers' interest in

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Speaker 14: Rozel has had such a grip on the culture, permeated

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Speaker 6: July nineteen forty seven, Roswell's Army air Base the press

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Speaker 7: Of a weather bloom.

447
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Speaker 1: The conflicting reports made by the government fuel public suspicion.

448
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: But it's what happened in the years following that cemented

449
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: the Roswell Incident in UFO lore, a local resident named

450
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: Glenn Dennis came forward with a bizarre and much more

451
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Speaker 1: unnerving narrative.

452
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Speaker 7: In July of.

453
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Speaker 6: Nineteen forty seven, he was a mortician and received a

454
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Speaker 6: puzzling phone call from the Air Force. They wanted child

455
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Speaker 6: science confidence delivered to the air base.

456
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Speaker 18: How long would it take you to get more? And

457
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 18: I said, how many do you need? He said, that's

458
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 18: not important. How long would it take you to get more?

459
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: Glenn Dennis claimed that the crashed object was some form

460
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Speaker 1: of advanced aircraft and that three bodies were recovered from

461
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Speaker 1: the scene, bodies unlike anything he'd seen before.

462
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Speaker 18: They definitely weren't demans. Doctors were explaining this that they

463
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Speaker 18: couldn't be from our planet. They had to be an alien.

464
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Speaker 18: It had to be something, yes, but not in our planet.

465
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Speaker 6: The eyewitness accounts of alien bodies and a cover up

466
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Speaker 6: by the US government has given birth to the most

467
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Speaker 6: powerful UFO story in American history, known simply as the

468
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Speaker 6: Roswell Incident.

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Speaker 14: Most of the cases we have on record are things

470
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Speaker 14: in the sky, right, It's much easier to stigmatize the

471
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Speaker 14: idea of a crash saucer in bodies than it is

472
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Speaker 14: to stigmatize something that a pilot sees in the sky

473
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Speaker 14: and picks up on radar. It's added to sort of

474
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Speaker 14: conspiracy element, this sort of sci fi element to it,

475
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Speaker 14: where UFOs are sort of synonymous with the idea of

476
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Speaker 14: bodies and aliens. The impact that that's had sort of

477
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Speaker 14: underlying everything, has not been helpful. There were so many witnesses,

478
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Speaker 14: actual alien bodies, and it was taken away and it

479
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Speaker 14: was covered up. They had various explanations for it.

480
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Speaker 1: As the years went on, more and more witnesses came forward.

481
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Speaker 1: I got my hands on some of the declassified sworn affidavits,

482
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Speaker 1: one from a man named George Roberts, the manager of

483
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Speaker 1: a local Roswell radio station at the time, states the

484
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Speaker 1: following I made an attempt to go out to the

485
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Speaker 1: crash site and see it for myself, but I was

486
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Speaker 1: turned back by a military person who said it was

487
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Speaker 1: a restricted area. The next morning, I got a call

488
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Speaker 1: from someone in Washington, d C. The person said, we

489
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Speaker 1: understand that you have some information, and we want to assure.

490
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Speaker 2: You that if you release it, it's.

491
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Speaker 1: Very possible your station's license will be in jeopardy, so

492
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Speaker 1: we suggest you don't do it a little weird. Another

493
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Speaker 1: affidavit from a woman named Sappho Henderson, refers to comments

494
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Speaker 1: made by her husband, a high ranking Air Force pilot

495
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Speaker 1: station in Roswell at the time. Her statement reads, in

496
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, my husband picked up a newspaper at a

497
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Speaker 1: grocery store. The article described a crash of a UFO

498
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Speaker 1: side of Roswell, with the bodies of aliens discovered beside

499
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Speaker 1: the craft. He pointed to the article and said, I

500
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Speaker 1: want you to read this because it's a true story.

501
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Speaker 1: I'm the pilot who flew the wreckage of the UFO. Again,

502
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Speaker 1: weird stuff, but who knows.

503
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Speaker 14: No matter how you look at this Roswell event, it's weird.

504
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Speaker 14: I'm not going to say that I know, but it's

505
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Speaker 14: completely conceivable to me that it was something as the

506
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Speaker 14: terrestrial would crash there.

507
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Speaker 15: I don't know what happened at Roswell, and I think

508
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Speaker 15: anybody who says they do one hundred percent no doesn't

509
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Speaker 15: know either or they're dead. I think something happened here.

510
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Speaker 15: There was clearly a government reaction.

511
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Speaker 14: There's no way in hell this thing that fell was

512
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Speaker 14: made by humans.

513
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Speaker 19: So the myschis on out in Roswell, that creepy Maxim

514
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 19: and Major Marcel, what could you tell us road?

515
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Speaker 15: But you know, there's a professor a Vi Lobe at

516
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Speaker 15: Harvard who's now run something called the Galileo Project Institution

517
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 15: at Harvard. It has real money now to study UFOs.

518
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 15: But Avi Lob at Harvard says that we almost have

519
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 15: to throw out everything else that came before. So difficult,

520
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 15: especially all these years later, to separate what's fact what's fiction.

521
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 15: Let's just start doing some real due diligence using all

522
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Speaker 15: the technologies and capabilities we have in the government, out

523
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 15: of the government wherever, and maybe we can at least

524
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Speaker 15: get a little bit further down the road.

525
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Speaker 7: When you talk about Roswell.

526
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Speaker 15: And you talk about all of these cases in history,

527
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Speaker 15: I think what it doesn't account for is the magnitude

528
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Speaker 15: of the lack of institutional knowledge within the government. There's

529
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Speaker 15: enough mystery around it, enough things that don't add up

530
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Speaker 15: to tell me that whatever the answer is number one,

531
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Speaker 15: it's probably not one answer. There could be multiple answers,

532
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 15: multiple truths. It's probably something that we're not even thinking about.

533
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 15: Maybe we're kind of scratching at it a little bit.

534
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 15: I've come to believe that whatever the government does still

535
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 15: have in terms of juicy little secrets about UFOs, they're

536
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 15: not keeping it secret out of knowledge. We're keeping it

537
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 15: secret out of ignorance. They don't want to come forward

538
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 15: and say, there's all these things we've seen and we

539
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 15: have no friggin clue what they are. There are things

540
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 15: out there, we've seen them, we've studied them, and we

541
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Speaker 15: don't know they're.

542
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Speaker 1: When I was a kid growing up, I can vividly

543
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: remember seeing tabloid magazines about UFO encounters and alien abductions

544
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: at the grocery store checkout line. They looked eerie, covered

545
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: in weird, grainy photos of flying saucers and alien autopsies.

546
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Speaker 1: My mom never let me get them rightfully, so they

547
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: were too scary for an eight year old, and she

548
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: probably knew they were all full of shit. This concept

549
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: of alien abduction has been around for decades. Many people

550
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: over the years have come forward with haunting tales of

551
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Speaker 1: being taken aboard of spaceship against their will in the

552
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Speaker 1: middle of the night. Just scan the Internet. There's plenty

553
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Speaker 1: of them, most of which, in my opinion, have no merit.

554
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: But since twenty seventeen, a wealth of government documents regarding

555
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: UFOs have continued to be declassified. Some of them include

556
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Speaker 1: things you'd only expect to find in science fiction.

557
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Speaker 11: Thousands of previously classified documents regarding UFOs have now been

558
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Speaker 11: released to the public.

559
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Speaker 10: The shocking details from this fifteen hundred page report.

560
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Speaker 11: Some of the stories include alien abductions, electrical paralysis, and

561
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Speaker 11: even sexual encounters.

562
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Speaker 9: From abductions that perceived time loss, the report says humans

563
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 9: have been injured from exposure.

564
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Speaker 1: I'm a person who has spent most of his podcasting

565
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: career investigating unsolved murders and disappearances, dealing with facts, physical evidence.

566
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Speaker 2: There's no room for fringe science.

567
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Speaker 1: But while working on this show, I found one case

568
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Speaker 1: in particular that's so strange Trying to rationally explain it

569
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Speaker 1: feels next to impossible. In nineteen seventy five, seven men

570
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Speaker 1: encountered something unexplainable in the mountains of Snowflake, Arizona. I've

571
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Speaker 1: managed to get my hands on a ton of archival tape.

572
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Speaker 13: There were seven men out there about three days ago.

573
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Speaker 13: They were all coming back here after dark. Saw this bright,

574
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Speaker 13: bright light to look to all seven of them like

575
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Speaker 13: a saucer or some identified object. Before they actually stopped

576
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Speaker 13: their truck, Travis jumped out of the car and ran

577
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Speaker 13: up underneath of this thing. If you can imagine. They

578
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 13: all witnessed a blue bluish light that projected from the

579
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Speaker 13: bottom of this craft, whatever it was, and at that

580
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Speaker 13: time it hit him. He cruppled and fell. They were terrified,

581
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Speaker 13: and so they started their vehicle out. That drove the

582
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Speaker 13: other way on that rim road for several miles until

583
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Speaker 13: they regained their wits.

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Speaker 5: Now, what was that man's name again? Who's missing?

585
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Speaker 13: The man's name missing is Travis rot.

586
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Speaker 10: The wa lp N.

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Speaker 12: And a tend search for Travis Walton proceeded for three days,

588
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Speaker 12: dogs and helicopters. They were unable to find him or

589
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 12: any signs of where he was. After they told their

590
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 12: astounding story to the police, they came under suspicion of murder.

591
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 16: Travis was missing for five days as people searched the.

592
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: Woods for him.

593
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 13: There is no doubt Travis Walton believes he is telling

594
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Speaker 13: the truth about what he experienced.

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Speaker 1: On November fifth, nineteen seventy five, seven men who are

596
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Speaker 1: part of a logging crew deep in the mountains of

597
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Speaker 1: Arizona claimed to have encountered a flying saucer. One man

598
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Speaker 1: by the name of Travis Walton ran towards it to

599
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: get a closer look and was struck by some sort

600
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Speaker 1: of beam emitted from the craft, and then he was gone.

601
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Speaker 1: He was literally a missing person for five days. For

602
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: decades now, these men have stuck to their stories. The

603
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Speaker 1: man who claims he was abducted, Travis Walton, is now

604
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Speaker 1: in his late sixties, apparently still living in the small

605
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Speaker 1: town of Snowflake, Arizona. After some searching, I finally found

606
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Speaker 1: him on Facebook, told him about the podcast, and he

607
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: eventually agreed to meet with me in person to tell

608
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Speaker 1: his story. So we rented an airbnb in the mountains

609
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: of Snowflake and hit the road. We landed in Phoenix

610
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Speaker 1: and drove three hours into the mountains, set up our

611
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Speaker 1: microphones and some film cameras to record the interview, and

612
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: waited for him to arrive. But about an hour and

613
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Speaker 1: a half after our scheduled interview time, I was getting

614
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: a little worried and he hadn't responded to my last

615
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: three texts, so I tried to call.

616
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Speaker 5: Him give me a little test check.

617
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Speaker 3: One two three, yeah, nine two eight two.

618
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Speaker 1: Out of the blue, an old truck pulled into the driveway.

619
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Speaker 1: I peeked through the blinds and it was him. I

620
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Speaker 1: was about to open the door and greet him, but

621
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Speaker 1: I paused and stopped myself. He was sitting in the

622
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Speaker 1: driveway with his car off, just staring out the window.

623
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Speaker 1: He seemed anxious or like he was contemplating something. Ten

624
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: full minutes passed and he was still sitting there same position.

625
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: Is he having second thoughts? Is he prepping his story?

626
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: If this really happened to him, then it must have

627
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: been traumatic.

628
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Speaker 2: That was still very skeptical of all this.

629
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Speaker 1: I sat on the couch, stewing in my own thoughts,

630
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Speaker 1: and then, hey.

631
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Speaker 5: How long has it been here? Forty five years? Twenty

632
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 5: five years and three months. Some things don't change, you know.

633
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 5: Some things about it haven't gotten any easier at all.

634
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 5: I wish that this had never happened. It's not been

635
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 5: a good thing for my life, for my family. In

636
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 5: some ways, they don't even see the real me, you know.

637
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 5: The area we were working on was a logging contract.

638
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 5: Our job was to come in after the loggers and

639
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: clean up the damage. Trees, thin out the overgrowth. It

640
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 5: was really kind of a forest restoration project we were doing.

641
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 5: We did some thinning, but then we were doing fuel

642
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 5: break that day, pretty long day. When it was getting

643
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 5: to our time to head home, worked thirty miles from home,

644
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 5: so it's a bit of a drive. We loaded up

645
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Speaker 5: all our equipment into the back of the truck.

646
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Speaker 3: There.

647
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Speaker 5: It's a double caped truck. There was room for all

648
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 5: seven of the crew in one vehicle, four in the back,

649
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 5: three in the front. We were headed home. Everybody's tired,

650
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 5: so there was various conversations going on in the truck,

651
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 5: two here or two there like that. As we were

652
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Speaker 5: jouncing along this little logging trail, I could see a

653
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 5: glow through the trees up the head. Closer we got,

654
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Speaker 5: the more I was thinking that maybe this glow I

655
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 5: was thinking was maybe some hunters camped there. I thought

656
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Speaker 5: maybe the hunters were camped up there on the ridge.

657
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Speaker 5: The whole clearing there had this release means glowed to it,

658
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 5: sort of a feel. I don't know, maybe there was

659
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 5: some kind of electrical charge in the air. So I'm

660
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 5: it just had a really weird vibe to it. It

661
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 5: made things you see at work all day looked really

662
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 5: strange in this strange glow.

663
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Speaker 1: Heard of it.

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