1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 2: Good morning, It's Tuesday, the twenty third of December. I'm 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 2: Caroline Hepga in London. Coming up today, Donald Trump warns 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: Venezuela not to play tough as the President seeks to 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: reshape the US diplomatic service. Mouthful of profit noa nor 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: disk wins US regulatory approval to sell a weight loss 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: pill from January, plus a confidence boost. UK businesses end 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five more upbeat after being sped major tax hikes. 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: Let's start with the roundup of our top stories. President 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: Donald Trump is continuing to reshape America's foreign policy as 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: he ramps up pressure on Venezuela. In a press conference yesterday, 12 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: the leader warned President Nicolas Maduro not to challenge the US. 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: We have a message or a minor form, the biggest 14 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 3: we've ever heard and by far the biggest we've ever 15 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: had in South America. He could do whatever, much to 16 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: do it, whatever he wants to do, if he wants 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: to do something. If he placed tough, it will be 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: the last time he's ever everyone played out. 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: President Trump has repeatedly threatened to strike Venezuela's territory in 20 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: recent weeks and has stepped up a blockade of the 21 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: country's oil exports, sources tell Bloomberg. The President has also 22 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: asked dozens of US ambassadors to step down in recent days. 23 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 2: What's more, the President announced that the US Navy would 24 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: build a new class of battleship named after him. The 25 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: president breaking moves come as a report from the Union 26 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: for America's Diplomats WARN's US diplomacy is being quote decimated 27 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: from within. In corporate news, Larry Ellison has pledged forty 28 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: billion dollars of his personal wealth to boost Paramount's bid 29 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: for Warner Brothers Discovery. The billionaire who built his fortune 30 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: with Oracle is aiming to give his son, Paramount CEO 31 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: David Ellison, the advantage in a fiercely contested takeover battle 32 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: with Netflix. Bloomberg Intelligences senior credit analyst Stephen Flynn says 33 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: the change is just one of a number of adjustments 34 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 2: made in order to strengthen Paramount's bids. 35 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 4: Yeah. 36 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 5: Well, so, mid last week, the Warner Brothers Discovery board 37 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 5: recommended shareholders do not participate in the tenor offer, and 38 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 5: they listed the reasons why. Now what Paramount this morning 39 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 5: has done is kind of addressed many of those reasons, 40 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 5: particularly given the Larry Albison guarantee. So I believe Paramount 41 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 5: is going to see how many shares they yet to 42 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 5: participate in the tenor offer, and if they need to, 43 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 5: you know, conversations with shareholders, if they need to raise 44 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 5: it to a certain level at those Shuggle are still 45 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 5: comfortable with that, imagine that's what they would do. 46 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: Stephen Flynn from Bloomberg Intelligence speaking there yesterday, Warner Brothers 47 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: confirmed that it had received Paramount's amended offer and said 48 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: that it would evaluate the proposal, but the company says 49 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:04,279 Speaker 2: that it still supports Netflix. Is competing offer. Nova nordisks 50 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: one approval to sell a pill version of its blockbuster 51 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: obesity drug wegav in the US. According to a statement, 52 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: Novote will start selling the pill in the US in 53 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: January to patients, set a starting price of one hundred 54 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: and forty nine dollars a month in cash, or potentially 55 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: for as little as twenty five dollars per month with 56 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: insurance cover. It's a crucial step in Novo's efforts to 57 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: defend its market share from rival Eli Lilly, which says 58 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: that its own oral OBEs drug could be approved by March. 59 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: Nova Nordisk also says that its bids for approval in 60 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: Europe and other parts of the world were filed in 61 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: the second half of twenty twenty five. Bank of America's 62 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: CEO says that artificial intelligence is starting to have a 63 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: bigger impact on the US economy. Brian Moynhern told Bloomberg 64 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: that the new technology is part of the bank's positive 65 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: forecast for twenty twenty six. 66 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 6: We go from basico two percent type of growth level 67 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 6: this year plus or mindus up to two point four percent, 68 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 6: which is all due to that in AIS kicking and 69 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 6: more and more, and so it's not all a tributable AI, 70 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 6: but that's having a marginal impact is pretty strong. 71 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: Menerhan added that the bank itself is now using its 72 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: own custom AI bots. The CEO's comments come as business 73 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: leaders debate whether there is a bubble in the AI space. 74 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: Billions of dollars have been pledged, but the returns and 75 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: when they will appear are still hard to gauge. Here 76 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: In the UK, businesses end this year feeling more upbeat. 77 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: Lloyd's Bank says that its gauge of business optimism rows 78 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: five points to a net balance of forty seven percent 79 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: in December. The figures add to evidence from the PMIS 80 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: suggesting business confidence bounce back after Chancellor Rachel Reeves unveiled 81 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: her fiscal plans in last month's budget. Reeves has vowed 82 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: to beat forecasts that point to pedestrian levels of economic 83 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: growth in the coming years. So those are some of 84 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: our top stories for you this morning. In terms of 85 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: the market, it's very interesting that we go into year 86 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 2: end with a global stocks rally. Yes, we're inching high. 87 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: The all country well did decks is up a tenth 88 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: of one percent. We've seen games for four sessions in 89 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 2: a row after a record high on Monday. Also for 90 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: the global stock index. The Japanese yea and also interesting 91 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: this morning, it strengthened quite aggressively after a warning from 92 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: the Finance Minister Satsuki Katayama, who said that the country 93 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: has a free hand to take bold action against currency moves. 94 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: Some of that has faded a little bit, but the 95 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: yen is still stronger six tents of one percent against you. 96 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: It still one hundred and fifty six spot zero six. Also, 97 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: you have gold, a fiftieth day of record highs for 98 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: the yellow metal up seven tens of one percent four 99 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: four hundred and seventy six dollars. You have the S 100 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 2: and P five hundred EMAII futures this morning in the red, 101 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: but we did erase all of December's losses on Monday 102 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: for the S and P five hundred and one European note. 103 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: European car sales rising two point four percent in November, 104 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: the latest data that we've had out this morning, So 105 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: those are the markets. In a moment, we're going to 106 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: bring you the latest on Venezuela, as President Maduro sounds 107 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: more conciliatory, it would seem, and will also bring you 108 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: the latest on the markets and this year end rally. 109 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 2: But before that, another story has caught my attention this morning. Parently, 110 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: dessert wines are making a comeback. Not only are they 111 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: more affordable than a red wine from a similar year, 112 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 2: but apparently they pair beautifully with desserts. Of course, as 113 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 2: the name would imply, but it also has to do 114 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 2: with the business of running a restaurant. A lot of 115 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: restaurants are doing away with pastry chefs, and so they're 116 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 2: filling their menus with things like sweeter drinks with cheese 117 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: courses that are simpler to prepare, maybe also boost their 118 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 2: bottom line a little bit. It's a push to change 119 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: people's skepticism also about dessert wines, because apparently people are 120 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: very skeptical about them. Is basically too sweet or unsophisticated. 121 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: But I learned from Bloomberg's Elena Didyk and her story 122 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: on this that actually still a lot of adults don't 123 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: consume al colat all fifty four percent. I didn't realize 124 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: it was that high, according to the latest gallop Pole. 125 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: But she points to Portuguese madeira, to French sootowns, and 126 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: to Hungarian dessert wines, all making renewed appearances apparently on 127 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: menus around the world and in sort of fine dining establishments. Anyway, 128 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: I'll be on the lookout for that perhaps this festive season. 129 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: We'll put a link to that article in our show notes. 130 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: You can read all about it now. President Donald Trump 131 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: has warned President Nicholas Maduro that he may well keep 132 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: oil seats from a super tanker, but he declined to 133 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: say if he's seeking to oust the Venezuelan leader. Joining 134 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: us now for more on this story, Bloomberg's senior editor 135 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: Brian Fowler Brian, good to speak to you today on 136 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: what is really much multi prongs and quite complex story 137 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: in some ways. Firstly, what is just happening with the 138 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: oil tank is off of Venezuela themselves. 139 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this whole, this US campaign in the Caribbean 140 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: has continued to evolve from what started as anti drug 141 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: trafficking operations and now it's become something more amorphous. The 142 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: US has boarded two tankers so far, two of them 143 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: were over the weekend. One was in Panamanian flag vessel 144 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: that had loaded Venezuelan oil and I guess had disconnected 145 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: its transponder, and the US is in pursuit of a 146 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: third tanker called the below one, which it has determined 147 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,479 Speaker 1: was not flying a valid national flag, and that chase continues. 148 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: But loadings are still happening at a roughly normal pace. 149 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: Since December eleventh, more than a dozen tankers have loaded 150 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: oil off Venezuela's coast, and at least six of those 151 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: ships are posedly under sanctions. So the work continues, and 152 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: the US continues to clamp down and send threats saying 153 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: it'll seize the oil and also warning yes, as you mentioned, 154 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: Maduro should not try to fight back against This. 155 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 2: Could escalate further because President Trump has repeated the threat 156 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 2: of land strikes again, this idea of hitting drug trafficking operations. 157 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it really it could escalate. He said, We're 158 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: going to have the same success on land. And it's 159 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: kind of hard to really imagine this sending US trips troops, 160 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: land troops to Venezuela, but that is what. 161 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 7: He has said. 162 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: And we've already had some opposition from around the world, 163 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: particularly from China. China is the number one importer of 164 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: Venezuelan oil, and it's criticized what the US is doing 165 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 1: as illegal, and we even have people in the US 166 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: government saying that they're seeing things that be very alarming 167 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: around Paul said, he sees this as basically a prelude 168 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: to war. 169 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so to the question, is Venezuela actually about China. 170 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: Certainly China is part of it. This is one more 171 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: way for the US to apply pressure to China, especially 172 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: on its energy needs. But we haven't had the US 173 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: saying anything directly about that. Trump has stopped short of 174 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: saying that he's pursuing a regime change in Venezuela, but 175 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: members of his cabinet have been a lot more clear 176 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: on that. Christy Non, the Home Security Secretary, said it's 177 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: time for him to go. He needs to be gone. 178 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: So it's clear that people around Trump see this as 179 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: all about changing the regime in Venezuela for now. 180 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the US foreign policy itself is being reshaped. People 181 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: familiar saying that President Trump has ordered dozens of US 182 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: ambassadors to step down, so not necessarily firing them, but 183 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: sort of recalling. This does seem very signal, doesn't it. 184 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: It does, indeed, and it will certainly shake up, you know, 185 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: the process of building relationships with our allies. I mean 186 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: another story, we had Trump talking about Greenland overnight and 187 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: he's getting ready to send his new envoy there, Jeff Landry, 188 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: and Trump describes him as a deal maker type guy, 189 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: and then he says, well, you know, we want Greenland 190 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: and we need it now. We need it because of 191 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: national security reasons. That's not something that's going to play 192 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: well with our allies overseas. We've already had the European 193 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: Commissioned President Ursula vonder Lane saying that the EU stands 194 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: in full solidarity with Denmark and the people of Greenland. 195 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: So she's putting a line in the sand there saying 196 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: that the importance of territorial integrity and sovereignty is number one. 197 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. Indeed, so that is also another story that we're 198 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: going to keep a close eye on that semi autonomous 199 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: island Greenland. That President John has said that she doesn't 200 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: want Greenland for minerals or oil, but for security. But yes, 201 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: the threat also against Greenland seems very pertinent. Brian, Thank 202 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: you so much for being with us this morning talking 203 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: about well, President Trump really pursuing foreign policy agendas. As 204 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: you say, Brian Fowler there this morning, Thank you for 205 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: your time, stay with us. More from Bloomberg daybakeup coming 206 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: up after this, right, let's go from well, foreign policy 207 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: to what's happening in the markets. Global stocks have extended 208 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: their record breaking run today. Gold has broken through another 209 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: all time record high for a fiftieth day this year, 210 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: and we did get the we will get the last 211 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: big reading of the US economy for twenty twenty five. 212 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: Joining me is Bloomberg's cross assets strategist Ven Ram to 213 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 2: discuss Ven good morning, what is driving this stock rally 214 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: and what is a very light holiday week. 215 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 4: It seems to me that it's like the market front 216 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 4: running the January effect, where people generally bid up stocks 217 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 4: at the start of the year's fund managers open allocations 218 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 4: for the year. Now we all know the feel good 219 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 4: story in the markets, the promise of AI, its effect 220 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 4: on productivity and earnings. But even so, I don't think 221 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 4: it's going to be a slam drunk for the markets 222 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 4: in the new year. They're going to be testing periods. 223 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 4: There are bound to be a lot of questions around 224 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 4: capital spending and when exactly the payoff around that spending 225 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 4: will come. But even so, the big posal from traders, Carolin, 226 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 4: is that you know, they seem to be asking the 227 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 4: question shows one overwhelming reason why we should be selling 228 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 4: down stocks viciously from here. And apart from overstretched valuations, 229 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 4: which speculators just don't care about, there isn't any and 230 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 4: that's what worries me. Overstretched valuations or warning definitely, but 231 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 4: they sell them a catalyst for trading action, and that's 232 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 4: why I'm kind of concerned. That's what would keep should 233 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 4: keep up investors at night. 234 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I suppose, when there's so much relitionists, one 235 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 2: has to ask why, whether it's justified, and so on 236 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: do you think that gold, you know, would be in 237 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: the kind of position that it is in now when 238 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: you think back to the start of this year, because 239 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: that's the other extraordinary stories, is this record breaking run 240 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: for brillion. 241 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 4: It's very incredible, isn't it. I mean, to be honest, 242 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 4: I was constructive, but not certainly not so for rish 243 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 4: that I foresaw a seventy percent rally. I mean, this 244 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 4: is the stuff of fairy tales. Bullion has never had 245 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 4: such a good year in the modern era, except in 246 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 4: nineteen seventy nine when it went even higher. The point 247 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 4: is that those who bought into the height of that 248 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 4: bubble back then had to cool their heels for decades 249 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 4: before they even broke even so, yet, given the momentum 250 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: that gold has, it is likely that you know, five 251 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 4: thousand dollars announced, it's becoming more of a self fulfilling 252 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 4: prophecy for the markets. So it is likely that you'll 253 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 4: see gold pushed through that level next year, perhaps early 254 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 4: next year, at the pace it's galloping, but it's I 255 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 4: want to see it pushing higher from there. The fair 256 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 4: value of gold cattle in based on inflation, central bank purchases, 257 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 4: and the dollar is at around three thousand dollars an ounce, 258 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 4: So the risks reward point investors from here is lopsided 259 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 4: and they should definitely keep in mind what happened in 260 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 4: nineteen seventy nine. 261 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 7: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 262 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 7: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 263 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 264 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 265 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 7: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 266 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 7: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 267 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 268 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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