1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: I was at a conference recently and I heard my 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: next guest speak and I thought to myself, let's get 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: him on the show. He was discussing Corporate America's embrace 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: of diversity, equity and inclusion. But he was saying things 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: I hadn't heard before, and it was just different angles 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: that I'm used to hearing. And that's what I try 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: to do on this podcast, is just to get different angles, 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: to get different guests, to keep things interesting, but also 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: just so that we can all continue learning together. But 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: what he was talking about is Obama's role former Price 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: in Obama's role in pushing these companies to the left, 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: how his people infiltrated Corporate America and turned them woke. 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: So we'll discuss that. 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: We'll discuss what happened, and we'll also discuss the latest 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: course correction now that President Trump and his administration all 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: these DEI executive orders and you know, pushing America's companies 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: back to the right. So we'll discuss that course correction. 18 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: How long will it last? What do we need to know? 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: So stay tuned for oh Skinner. He's the executive director 20 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: of Alliance for Consumers. He also previously worked for the 21 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: Arizona Attorney General. He was the state's lead council in 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: the United States Supreme Court. So stay tuned for O. 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: Wag Skinner. 24 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: Well, O Aged, it's great to have you on the show. 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: I recently met you, and you know, we're having discussions 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: about some of this DEI stuff, and so I was like, 27 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: I got to get them on my podcast. So I 28 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: appreciate you making the time, and I look forward to 29 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: this conversation. 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: This is gonna be fun. It will be fun. 31 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's start with because you you said something 32 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: which I hadn't really given much thought about prior to 33 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: you saying it. But explain walk us through the role 34 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: that the Obama administration and Obama world played in pushing 35 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: these companies to woke and pushing these companies towards DEI. 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think what's really important to understand 37 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: about corporate America at a basic level is that they 38 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: just respond to incentives and pressures, especially pressures, and you know, 39 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: you have to go back in time to what feels 40 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: like forever ago. But you know, Obama wins, he's the president. 41 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: He starts putting all this pressure on corporate America to 42 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: do diversity to do all these things that we now 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: know as is DEI. And then he gets re elected 44 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 2: and so especially in his second term, you have all 45 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: of this exodus of Obama era officials and lawyers and 46 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: agency heads, and they're all going into corporate America. Right. 47 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: Like one of the things that's easy to forget is 48 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: that the Obama people all got jobs at places like 49 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 2: Google or you know, Tony West is like a great example. 50 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: He ended up going to Uber and being the head 51 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: of government affairs, and it's like you can literally follow 52 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: the trajectory of like DEEI in America. One of my 53 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: friends says, by following this Tony West. And so they 54 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: all leave to go to corporate America, and they're busy 55 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: telling corporate America that the way to be safe from 56 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: the Obama administration is to just get ahead of them. 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: Do a little bit more diversity, do a little bit 58 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: more eesg, do a little bit more, a little bit more. 59 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: You stay one step ahead of the government, and then 60 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: the government doesn't smack you, doesn't find you, doesn't sue you, 61 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 2: and then we all forget that. Like all of those 62 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: smart people thought that Hillary Clinton was going to be president, 63 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: and so as the second term of Obama is ending. 64 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: They're not pulling back into neutral, They're not getting worried 65 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: about maybe having a direction shift in Washington. They're like 66 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: doubling and tripling down. They're hiring as many officials as 67 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: they possibly can from the Obama team and people they 68 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: think are going to be favorable from the Clinton world. 69 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: They're just like really digging in and then Trump wins. Right. 70 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 2: So the easy thing to understands you look at the 71 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: world now is that all of the seeds for what 72 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: we see in corporate America were driven by this belief 73 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: from corporate America that the way to make the pressure 74 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: stop from Washington was to hire the Obama people, who then, 75 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: of course, as you know, they just import all of 76 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: what they were going to do in the government. But 77 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: now they have control over the companies, right, so they're 78 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: just pushing the companies to do everything that they would 79 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: have done had they still been in government. Right. So 80 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: that's I think really to understand where it came from, 81 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: you have to understand this like arc of what they 82 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: thought was going to be twelve years of you know, 83 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: strong push from Washington with democratic presidents to do all 84 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: of what we now know of as Dea Well. 85 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: And what's interesting is, you know, we know that Obama 86 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: made race a you know, obviously being the first black president, 87 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: but really just a lot of race initiatives and really 88 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: pushing sort of that racial division in the country. I 89 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: mean the irony is when he left, I think it 90 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: was even CNN said that, you know, fifty four percent 91 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: of Americans believed that race relations had gotten worse under 92 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: his time, so obviously didn't you know, I guess he 93 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: did to do an effective job driving people apart. Was 94 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: that just for political reasons or what do you think 95 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: the strategy for Obama was with all of that? 96 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: You know, that's hard. I always people ask me sometimes 97 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: whether the government officials are doing something for political reasons 98 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: or for you know, for their own ultras degreesment. I 99 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: think it's always a mix of things. You know, It's 100 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: hard when you are pushing this narrative for such a 101 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: long time on the left about where so many of 102 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: their policies are are hinged on like social justice, racial justice, 103 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: all these things, right, Like, they hang so many of 104 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: their policies on those things, which you know, it's the 105 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 2: easy answer is to say, once you start selling something 106 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: for certain reasons. You can't just sell half the package. 107 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: If you're telling people that environmental justice is so important 108 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: because minority communities are hardest hit. If you're telling people 109 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: that you need to have different tax policies, different spending 110 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: policies all in the name of racial or environmental or 111 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 2: all these other things, right, it's also really hard to 112 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: then try and be like, but we shouldn't be promoting 113 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: people in corporate America, and we should like, once you've 114 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: sold part of the package, the rest of the ideas 115 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: follow if that makes sense, even if they weren't like 116 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: the reason that you were selling the idea, they all 117 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: follow through, right, It all like it continues. People don't. 118 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: People don't suspend their disbelief and think that we should 119 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: be very race conscious in some settings but then not 120 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: in other settings. And so when the left start selling 121 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: racial you know, uh, justice as a reason to do 122 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: countless things, it follows through. And I think, if you're 123 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: being honest, a lot of the like uh, George Floyd's 124 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: stuff ended up being like the logical conclusion of something 125 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: that you can see. Right. Obama would talk all the 126 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: time about this. You've seen this when he's given speeches, 127 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: and like lectured the left about like identity politics and 128 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: being crazy leftists, right. I think a lot of that 129 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: is he knew that he was pushing this DEI stuff. 130 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: And then the logical end point is these marches in 131 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 2: the street being like defund the police, that they're racist, 132 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: and it's like the people who set off like they 133 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: like release the virus are sitting there thinking, whoa we 134 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 2: like like racial justice to like explain our tax policy 135 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: or our giveaway policy or a spending policy, like we 136 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,119 Speaker 2: didn't mean like get rid of the police. And people 137 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: are like, well, you told us that like racial disparities 138 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: mean racism, and so like the police are doing things 139 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: that are racially disparate, so therefore they're racists. We should 140 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: get rid of them. You could just see the people 141 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, it escaped containment. We didn't 142 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: mean that. I think that's probably the right way to 143 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: think about it. 144 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: And also in thinking about it, I mean it's kind 145 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: of a straight smart strategy because if you're sort of 146 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: pressuring these companies to build out their DEI department, I 147 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: mean most of the people who are going to be 148 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: in those roles, I mean that's the left, the left wing, 149 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, way of thinking. So they're going to be 150 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,119 Speaker 1: filled with progressives and leftists. So it's it's it's actually 151 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: a smart way to get a foothold with some of 152 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: these companies, right. 153 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I mean it's like it's like it's 154 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: like what you see with some of the gender stuff now, 155 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: where people will say, well, we need to have like 156 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: a gender equity, we need to have a transgender department 157 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: at this university. Well, all you're doing is when you 158 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: start a whole new department and staff it with all 159 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: your people, you give yourself like more boots on the ground, right, 160 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: And so you're exactly right. The DEI department starts small, 161 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: and then they grow, and then they grow, and then 162 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: they grow, and then one of those people becomes the 163 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: CEO of the company and now all of a sudden, 164 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: like you've gotten control of a place. 165 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: How significant was the death of George Floyd, because I 166 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: mean that really set a lot of things off in 167 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: the country after his death from soft onre grime policies 168 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: to you know the rest of it. So how significant 169 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: do you think that was in pushing these companies to 170 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 1: the left and also you know, forcing these companies to 171 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: embrace DEI. 172 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I actually don't know that it 173 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: had a lot if anything. I think it probably was 174 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: like didn't help them on the DEI front. Like you 175 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 2: got to understand that my core belief about companies and 176 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: why you see like products being taken off store shelves 177 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: is the thing I care about the most is that 178 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 2: they're constantly just negotiating with the pressures that they're under. 179 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: And so I think, you know, the this goes back 180 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 2: to something we were talking about earlier. I do think 181 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: that that I'll get back to the George Floyd point 182 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: I promised. But what you saw during the Obama years 183 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: was also this like negotiation of corporate America between like 184 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: the burnie crowd that wants to confiscate all of corporate 185 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: America and like turn it into like, you know, a 186 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: government run institution and the social justice crowd that just 187 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: wants to take thirty percent of the budget of corporate 188 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: America and turn it into crazy social promotion and stuff, right. 189 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: And you could see that with the George Floyd protests, 190 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: where like there's radicals in the streets that are basically 191 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: like hair down city government, defund the police, and any 192 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: company that is like not towing the line, we're gonna 193 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: like blast and if you're not taking down your ads, 194 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: if you're not posting black squares on the internet. Right. 195 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: And I think in a way that crowd like scale 196 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: corporate America because they thought they'd cut a deal where 197 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: if I, like, if I give a huge DEI department, 198 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: then like the burning crowd won't come for me. Does 199 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 2: that make sense? Yes? And I think that the And 200 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: here's this gets back to our modern day. If corporate 201 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: America is just responding to pressure, then back then they 202 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: were importing all the Obama people because they were looking 203 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: for the pressure to only come from the left under 204 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 2: Obama and Clinton. And they're negotiating only between the Obama 205 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: Tony West. I'm going to work at a company, but 206 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: talk about diversity and the burning crowd. That's like, I'm 207 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: gonna talk about diversity and take your company from you, right, Like, 208 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: that's who they were negotiating between. And the right was silent. Right. 209 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: And so are we surprised that corporate America just starts 210 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: to like only make products for the left and only 211 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: higher leftists. Right. What you've seen in the most recent 212 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: set of years is starting with state ags, some private 213 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: groups and now the Trump administration. Why is corporate America 214 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 2: snapping back to the middle. Is now there's like an 215 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 2: aggressive pressure from the right to drop your DEI programs, 216 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: stop doing weird esg stuff, stop banning products, stop trying 217 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: to ban gas stoves, stop trying to be weirdos, just 218 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 2: like be the middle of America, right and bam, all 219 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: of a sudden, Corporate America sure is talking like they're 220 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: now in the middle. Why because now there's pressure on 221 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: the right and there's pressure on the left, and so 222 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: where does corporate Americas start to go somewhere in the 223 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: middle right? Like it's just suddenly, it's like conservatives have 224 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: finally learned that the only thing corporate America can listen to, 225 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: if we're being honest, is pressure. Whether it's a boycott 226 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: or whether it's a lawsuit. They only respond to pressure. 227 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: And now that there's consistent pressure from the right on 228 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: these issues, you're seeing corporate America start to at least 229 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: try to hue back to the middle. And that's a 230 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: tremendous thing. 231 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: Well, you know, we saw some of these sort of 232 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, I guess you would call them. 233 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: I guess they're boycotts. 234 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: But you know pressure campaigns, you know, getting a lot 235 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: of bad press, and you know a lot of social 236 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: media activity with things like bud Light and Target and Disney. 237 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: Why do you think those specific pressure campaigns worked? And 238 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: then kind of what message do you think that's sent 239 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: to the rest of corporate America. 240 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: I think they worked because it was the first time 241 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 2: that corporate America was viewing a lot of the DEI 242 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: in particular stuff as not free. But you got to 243 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: understand that like the sales paid. Like I can't explain 244 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: enough to you that. Like Eric Holder, you know, he 245 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: was the head of he was Attorney General under Obama. 246 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: He has this business where he goes to companies in 247 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: the last few years and he charges them like fifteen 248 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 2: hundred dollars an hour. It's probably more like two thousand 249 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: dollars an hour now because of you know how the 250 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 2: world works, telling him about how there's all these benefits 251 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: to building out diversity and all these programs, and it 252 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 2: was working. Biden, He's making all this money. He goes 253 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: to a company and tells him to be more woke 254 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 2: than he cashes a huge check. Well, nowadays we call 255 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 2: it getting holdered because then they get sued by a 256 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: state or now they're going to get sued by by 257 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice, and then he's going to come 258 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: back in and be like, hey, I can defend you. 259 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: I can make more money. Right, there's this whole industry 260 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: of people telling them do the woke thing. It's an 261 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: unalloyed good. You'll get all this positive praise from the 262 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: Washington Post and the New York Times. You'll be lauded, 263 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: You'll get to be go to high five people at 264 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: your country club, and it won't cost you anything. So 265 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: just keep doing it right and then bam, bud light happens. 266 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: You get Target, you get some of these other things. 267 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: And so the first time these official these people and 268 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: these companies who aren't radicals are like, wait, I did 269 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: that thing. You said it was going to be all upside, 270 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: no downside, but now I'm like getting this massive hit 271 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: to my bottom line. I should have never done it 272 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: in the first place. Didn't get me anything. This is dumb. 273 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 2: And so I think they worked because they showed actual, 274 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: like belief from most people that they just want people 275 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: to make products for them and not just like lecture 276 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: at them. So I mean what I mean the various 277 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: ones that worked were where the core demographic of the 278 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: company just didn't match the slot that was being thrown 279 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: at them by the heads of the offices, right like 280 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: you know, and so you saw people get really really 281 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: mad because something totally out of whack was happening. And 282 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: Corporate America responded because it was the first time they'd 283 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: ever felt pain as a result of something that they 284 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: were told was like a freebie. 285 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: We've got a quick commercial break more with oahe Skinner 286 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: on the other side, what percentage of these companies do 287 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: you think were, like the CEO actually believed these things 288 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: versus feeling like they were sort of being held hostage 289 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: by sort of employees and like the movement so to speak. 290 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, is the line I keep being told by 291 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: lots of different people, especially when I complained to them 292 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: about like why they're removing products from store shelves, is 293 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: that about seventy percent of companies just want to go 294 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: along and get along, and so they'll they'll they'll do 295 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: what the left wants when they are left in charge 296 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: to a certain degree, and they'll do it the right ones, 297 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: but they're not like committed, right, And then I've heard 298 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: that like thirty percent of companies are like either wholly 299 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: taken over by the DEI clan or the CEO believes 300 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: it right, Like, I don't know if you guys saw this. 301 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: Like Robbie Starbuck has done just a huge amount great yeah, 302 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: and when he talks about how like Harley Davidson was 303 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: one that he that was really important to him because 304 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: the customer base was conservative, and the CEO is like this, 305 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: like euro you know, like you're a weirdo who was 306 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: like trying to convince everybody that like climate change was 307 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: going to end the world and that the only way 308 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: Harley Davidson could survive is by stopping selling the product 309 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: that everybody bought, and instead they would just make like 310 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: electric bikes. That's That's an example of like the CEO 311 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: is a believer, he's in the thirty percent. Right. There's 312 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: other companies that have flipped under pressure from states to 313 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: Robbie Starbuck, where like they kind of like you could 314 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: just tell that they were just happy that somebody finally 315 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: gave them an excuse to tell their DEI department to 316 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: shove off, right, that somebody gave them the right to 317 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: go down to their HR department and say like they reed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 318 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: So the comment that so one of the state ags 319 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: w who was pushing back in this. He'll often refer 320 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: to it as like, I'm not anti business. I think 321 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: that the pressure I bring is, you know, let the 322 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: pressure set them free, right, Like when I bring pressure 323 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: on a company, it allows them to just make the 324 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: choices that they know are writ for their customers, freed 325 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: from the belief that they might be called out for 326 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: being a bigot or a racist or all of the 327 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: things that you and I have seen people get called. 328 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: He's like, I just want them to be free to 329 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: just make business choice is right, and surprise, like, business 330 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 2: choices means that they're just like going to keep guestos, 331 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: that they're going to still sell gas grills, that they're 332 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: going to like stop doing weird stuff and start just 333 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: like meeting their customers, right, And so he always refers 334 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: to as like the pressure like I'm gonna the pressure 335 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: will set them free. Right. It's not me being negative 336 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: on corporate America. It's me wanting corporate America to be better. 337 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: So take us. 338 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: Through, as the executive director of Alliance for Consumers, take 339 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: us through. I guess some of the craziest examples you've 340 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: seen of companies just pushing like ridiculous, woke things that 341 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: even you've been like, whoa, Okay, that's you know, that's 342 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: out there. 343 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: Well, you know it's funny. Is a lot of the 344 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: A lot of it, just I mean you've seen I 345 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 2: would say the craziest ones are the things that you've seen, 346 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: whether it's you know, bud Light deciding that notwithstanding in 347 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: their core demographic, they're going to become like the LGBTQ 348 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:59,239 Speaker 2: hotbed of America, right, or it's places like you know 349 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 2: or what Target did where you're just like, you know, 350 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: they should know the demographic their shops at their stores 351 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: and that they're not interested in seeing you know, trans 352 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: kids swimsuits. But what I think is actually like more 353 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: interesting is the craziness of the government because the government 354 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: stuff is like what you're now seeing is governments trying 355 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: to push companies pass where the companies even want to go. 356 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: And so you've seen this, like I don't know if 357 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: you've seen this in California now, like you can't buy 358 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 2: gas lawnmowers anymore. Have you seen this? I don't think 359 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: I actually have. Oh see, this is beautiful, like when 360 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: you live in like real America, they're busy in Florida. 361 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 2: We're free there, yeah, exactly right, right, So you know 362 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: I live in Arizona and that's close to California, so 363 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 2: like we catch the you know, we catch the blowback 364 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: that comes out of there. You know, they're busy doing 365 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 2: things like banning gas powered lawnmowers and leaf flowers in 366 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: the name of climate change. Right, and so now you 367 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: see these videos on the Internet of people walking through 368 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: like a home depot and the cheapest thing they can 369 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: buy as like a normal like riding lawnmower that used 370 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 2: to cost like, let's just say a thousand dollars is 371 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: now like a four thousand dollars thing that depending upon 372 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: where you live, you might have to charge it in 373 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 2: the middle of mowing your lawn, right, all in the 374 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: name of like ESG and you're just sitting there being 375 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 2: like you're literally making everybody's lives worse. It costs more 376 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: and does a worse job. Right. It's like the theme 377 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 2: that you see all the time, whether it's messing with 378 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: your dishwasher, messing with your refrigerator, what's the outcome? The 379 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 2: government officials are making it cost more do a worst job, 380 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: cost more, and do a worse job. And what I 381 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 2: think is the part that is like it won't mean 382 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: as much to your listeners, but it means a lot 383 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 2: to me. Is twenty years ago when the government officials 384 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: would do this junk companies and people would fight it. 385 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: Where I see the DEI and the ESG stuff really 386 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: doing this like dirty, dangerous thing is it's making companies 387 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: roll over and agree to remove products and agree to 388 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 2: do stuff in the name of the climate or anti 389 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: racism or any of these other silly things. And so 390 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: that leaves like a group like mine to actually yell 391 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 2: about how this makes people's lives worse. You used to 392 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: be able to rely on somebody at a company to say, well, 393 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 2: I still want to be able to sell something to 394 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: a person, but now they've been so scared by the 395 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: Left that they just agree. I mean, another one that 396 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 2: I'll say is just bonkers and will make everybody's life 397 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: terrible is California has now passed this rule that says, 398 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: if you want to operate trucks in California, you have 399 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: to make your entire fleet zero mission trucks. What is 400 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: a zero mission like freight truck It means that you're 401 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: supposed to have, like a truck, like an eighteen wheeler 402 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: that hauls stuff all across America, be battery powered. Right. 403 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if you. I mean, I grew up 404 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: in the middle of America. These trucks are limited by 405 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: how much they weigh, and the battery is weigh a ton, 406 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 2: which now means that the truck's going to carry like 407 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: half as much and have to charge it all the time. 408 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: Fifornia is busy trying to make it so that you 409 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: can only have those trucks if you drive anywhere in California. 410 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: Your truck's in Nebraska, and I will also have to 411 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: be zero mission long haul trucks. And the trucking companies 412 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 2: agreed to it. They like wrote this special agreement. You're 413 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 2: lacking that they wrote this special agreement with the Biden 414 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 2: administration saying, even if your rule is struck down in court, 415 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: we agree to implement it anyway in the name of 416 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 2: like climate justice. Right. And so what you've got is 417 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: like everyone, like the stuff at your store comes on 418 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: these trucks, Like now it's going to get more expensive, 419 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 2: it's going to take longer to get there, it's more 420 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: expensive and does a less good job, and the companies 421 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: were like, sounds good. Right. So that's the stuff that 422 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 2: just like blows my mind is when these officials look 423 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: like they're just trying to make your life worse. You know, 424 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 2: I don't know. Did you see did you see all 425 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: the articles they're like right at the tail end of 426 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 2: the Biden administration about how good life could be with 427 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 2: that air conditioning? Did you see this? Yes, which I 428 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: fundamentally disagree. I love it, of course. Yeah. 429 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm the type of person who like 430 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: lives in Florida and my permit's freezing so I can 431 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: sleep with a comforter, Like yeah, great, great, Right, I'm bad. 432 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm one of the worst offenders we love. 433 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: In America, I know so. But when you're in the media, 434 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 2: you know this. When you see the first article that 435 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: says how great it is to live with that air conditioning, 436 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: you're like, that's weird. When you see the second one, 437 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 2: you're like, wait a second. When you see the third, fourth, fifth, 438 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 2: and they talk about how like the fight for climate 439 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: change includes getting rid of things like air conditioners, all 440 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: of a sudden, you have this moment where you're like, oh, 441 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: my God, the reason you officials are raising the price 442 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: of air conditioners or banning They banned the HFCs that 443 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: go into a lot of these air conditioners, and I 444 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 2: don't know, you probably haven't experienced this. Nowadays, a lot 445 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: of air conditioning companies won't repair your air conditioner. That 446 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: just make you buy a whole new system because they 447 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: can't get the replacement chemicals. And so when something leaks, 448 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: you now have to buy like a new thirty thousand 449 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: dollars air conditioning system, depending upon where you live. And 450 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you have this moment you're like, 451 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: oh my god, that's not like a negative side effect 452 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 2: from these officials perspective. You kind of want air conditioning 453 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: to be unreachable? Why do they want us to live 454 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: like that? Though? 455 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: Because you know, I remember, like even I can't remember 456 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: the exact headlines, but they were also basically like you know, 457 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: breadlines are great, you. 458 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 2: Know what I mean. It's like yeah, yeah, no exactly, but. 459 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: Like why do they want us to What's what's behind that? 460 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: Like why do they want us to live like this 461 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: is okay? Well now we explain the ya, the why 462 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: I'm home? They so you may you may have heard 463 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 2: this phrase net zero. I mean, I'm sure you've heard that, right, 464 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 2: people in zero? Okay, net zero means net zero by 465 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: twenty thirty or twenty fifty, depending on who you're talking to. Okay, 466 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: it actually means that you have to hit at zero 467 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: as defined by the UN like EIA, like energy group, Right, 468 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: they have charts in order to hit at zero that 469 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 2: means net zero new carbon emissions. They literally will say, okay, well, 470 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: in order to hit at zero, that means you're allowed 471 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 2: to have x percent of your emissions come from this, 472 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: and this and this. It literally means that you have 473 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: to get rid of all of the natural gas powered 474 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 2: fired power plants in America. All the gas stations have 475 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 2: to go away, Your ships in your harbors, and the cranes, 476 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 2: they all have to become electric. The semitrucks electric in 477 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: order to hit at zero, like, they have math that 478 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 2: they have to solve for. And so when you buy 479 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 2: this idea that the world will end unless we go 480 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: net zero by twenty thirty, once you accept that you 481 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 2: have to get people to give up air conditioning, You 482 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: have to get people to give up the gas powered cars. 483 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: You have to get people to make all of these 484 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 2: changes and probably get rid of things like dishwashers, right, 485 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: get rid of things like a like a refrigerator that 486 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: is too big, right from the last perspective, because otherwise 487 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 2: your math doesn't math. As one of my friends says, like, 488 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: you just can't get there, and so what do they know? 489 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 2: We're never going to get there though. See, this is 490 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: where this is where you and I can have that 491 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: discussion of maybe some chunk of them are just burnie 492 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 2: people who think that like government needs to control all 493 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: of this stuff, and so if you can, like you know, 494 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: there's that crowd, and that is in my mind, right, Okay, 495 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 2: so you and I kind of share that mind, but 496 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 2: there's like a whole nother crowd that like they've been 497 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: told they grow up in California, they've been told in 498 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: school that the climate change. Like I had somebody at 499 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,719 Speaker 2: my house the other day who said that they are 500 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 2: terrified of climate change. Number one issue climate change? Right, 501 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: did you come out and look? My immediate reaction was, 502 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: what are using number What are you doing about climate change? 503 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: And the number one thing they're doing about climate change 504 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: is composting, So like we clearly have an issue where 505 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 2: like the thing they're doing doesn't have anything to do 506 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: with the thing that like, the life's got some problems, okay, 507 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, there is a 508 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: cohort of people who like they've been told that the 509 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: world's ending, that they have to do X to make 510 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: the world not end, and so they're going to buy 511 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: damn it, do X, right. But I do think that 512 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 2: a lot of this does stem from like control. And 513 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 2: you know, if you tell people that they can't use 514 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: too much. I mean, look, we made a video called 515 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: twenty thirty and it's all about what it will be 516 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 2: like in California and net zero world. And you see 517 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: that the government like meters how much electricity you can use, 518 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: You have to use only so much hot water because 519 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: you give basically are allowed an allotment of like carbon 520 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 2: emissions on a given day. And so if your kid 521 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: takes a hot shower, you can't take a hot shower, 522 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: your lights turn off at the end of your day, 523 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 2: your electric car, you can't have a fan at the office. 524 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 2: So the company can hit their net zero targets, right, 525 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 2: like it just it is to your mind and my mind, 526 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: nothing gives the government more ability to control every aspect 527 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: of your life than telling you exactly how much electricity 528 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 2: and power you're allowed to use. You ask somebody who 529 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: comes from Venezuela and you tell them what the ESG 530 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: people are pushing, and their immediate reaction is that's how 531 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 2: they control your life, because that's what they did in Venezuela. Right. 532 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 2: There's another component of people that I think is just like, well, 533 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: this is how I'm going to sell climate change, and 534 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 2: you and I are like, you're not can actually do that? 535 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: And they're like, no, no, but we need to try. So 536 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a mix. 537 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you because remember even AOC's former chief 538 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: of staff, I can't remember his name, but he basically 539 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: said that. 540 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: The Green New Deal was a how. 541 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: Do you control the entire economy type of thing, right, I. 542 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 2: Mean okay, So, like you know, it's like we're talking 543 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: just the two of us, nobody else is listening. You know. 544 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: I think that explains a lot of this, right, Like, 545 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: but I do think you have these people who aren't 546 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 2: thinking about the logical endpoint, and I just want to 547 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 2: give some credit that there are chunks of them out there. 548 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 2: I mean I have heard. Okay, so you asked about 549 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: the craziest thing in corporate America. I finally remember my 550 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: craziest thing in corporate America. I have heard from friends 551 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: that they were sitting in meetings at giant, mega death 552 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: corps that sell lots of stuff. Okay. So like, imagine 553 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: a big box store that like you or I have 554 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 2: been inside, okay, and somebody was legitimately advocating that to 555 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: meet their net zero target, they should stop selling beef 556 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 2: products in the grocery at their store. And somebody else 557 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 2: is like, people like buying hamburger at our store, We're 558 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: just going to remove it because then it's good for 559 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 2: the climate, because you know. The little reveal is that 560 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: the left thinks that all the cows should go away 561 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 2: because they can't make their math math with the cows, 562 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: just to be clear. But there's literally sitting there and 563 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 2: a person who works for a company is advocating removing 564 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: all of the beef products from their entire store all 565 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 2: across America in the name of climate justice basically, And 566 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: this person is like slack John looking at them, being like, 567 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: why on earth would we stop selling something to customers 568 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: that they like and that we have right, you know, 569 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: But that was a discussion in corporate America in twenty 570 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: twenty four because of these there's people who think of 571 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: this ESG stuff, And that's not the AOC staffer. That's 572 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: somebody who's been infected by the bug that the AOC 573 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 2: staff are sent over the wall, right, and they're like 574 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: advocating for like a very anti consumer move at a 575 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: very consumer facing company. And it was like not laughed 576 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: out of the room. I mean, it was eventually laughed 577 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: out of the room, but it took a while. 578 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: How much do you think this past election was just 579 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: Americans being like, I want to return to normalcy, you know, 580 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: because the past four years have been totally abnormal, as 581 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: you talked about, oh you don't need air conditioning, you know, 582 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: readlines are great, or you know, men can be women, 583 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: women can be men, you know what I mean, Like 584 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: just we've lived in a totally bizarre world for like 585 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: four years, and so how much of this past election 586 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: do you think was just like, get off my lawn, 587 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: I want to be normal again, you know. 588 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: I think it's I think it describes everything. Look, the 589 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: vast majority of Americans don't think of themselves as political animals. 590 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 2: They just want they just want life. To be good 591 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: and normal, right, And if you buy what they were 592 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 2: saying before, you know, if you buy the narratives about 593 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 2: the last election, they are two elections as ago. People 594 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: were voting for Joe Biden because they thought he was 595 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: like a return to like a bygone era and normalcy. 596 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: And what they got to your point was bands on 597 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 2: gas stoves and like making your dishwasher worse, and you know, 598 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 2: boys and girls' locker rooms and the I think a 599 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 2: logical conclusion is whatever I voted for, it's not this. 600 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: I just want, like life to be normal. I want 601 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 2: to be able to go to the store and buy 602 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 2: Hamburger and drive my car that is powered by gasoline 603 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: and then go and actually have and like cook it 604 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: at home without the government telling me what I can 605 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: and can't use. Right. I think that really sums up 606 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: a lot of people's views, and I think it's a 607 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: good thing. And I think that the pressure that you're 608 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,239 Speaker 2: seeing under the Trump administration against DEI and a lot 609 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: of these things at the federal level is going to 610 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: be so comforting to people because it'll manifest itself in 611 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: just like like life will just look normal at stores again, 612 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: which would be really nice. 613 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: We've got a quick commercial break more with Oah Skinner 614 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: on the other side, we've seen them kind of come 615 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: out the gate already and with a lot of these 616 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: DEI executive orders and really sending the message that you know, 617 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: this nonsense is over. We're going back to a meritocracy. 618 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: We're going back to normalcy and common sense. You know, 619 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: what sort of long lasting changes do you think the 620 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: Trump administration can make and are they Are they going 621 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: about it the right way right now? And what else 622 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: would you like to see from them to make those 623 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: longer lasting changes. 624 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: I mean, they have the ability to make huge changes 625 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: to the extent that it will be the first time 626 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 2: with the like host Students for Fair Admissions versus Harvard, 627 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 2: which is a huge Supreme Court case that we haven't 628 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 2: talked about, is really important. Now. The entire Department of 629 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: Justice and the entire White House has US Supreme Court 630 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: case case law saying that, like, you cannot discriminate in 631 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: America based on race, even if you're Harvard, and even 632 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: if you're trying to do it in a like altruistic 633 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: way in your own words, right, No, you're not allowed 634 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: to discriminate based on race, full stop. America gets to 635 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 2: go back to being like a colorblind society. Now with 636 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: that in their hand, they finally have the ability. It'll 637 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: be the first Republican administration with the will and the 638 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: law on their side to basically create pressure on corporate America. 639 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: And the number one thing they can do is just 640 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: follow through on the eos and investigate companies. You know, 641 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 2: you asked question earlier that I didn't answer, which is 642 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: when one company gets a boycott, what message does that 643 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 2: send to the other market participants? They all immediately change 644 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: their behavior. So if one or two companies in an 645 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 2: industry get taken out into the school yard and just 646 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: like you know, metaphorically, you know, get smacked around by 647 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 2: the law of anti discrimination law in America using the 648 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: Apartment of Justice and the Department Civil Rights and made 649 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 2: an example of for the crazy stuff that they've been doing. 650 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: The rest of them are going to stop it. They're 651 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: going to just shut it down, right. Their lawyers going 652 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: to walk around and be like, we're done, We're not 653 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: doing any of that anymore. And the more of that 654 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: that happens, the more corporate America gets locked into the 655 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: middle not being liberal, not being conservative, which Frankly, that's 656 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: a good place for it to be because it's supposed 657 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 2: to sell things to both types of people in America. 658 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: And so the you know, what I just want to 659 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 2: see is this the cadence just keeps going right because 660 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: it's been a focus at the beginning, and now just 661 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: get it implemented. And the more pressure it more, the 662 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 2: more it sets corporate America free. And I think if 663 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: there's four years of pressure, I don't think you're ever 664 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 2: going to see corporate America writ large go crazy to 665 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: the left anymore because we will have trained them that 666 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: there's pressure on the right and there's pressure on the left. 667 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: And when there's two types of pressure, you just chart 668 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 2: a course through the middle. Well, from your lips to 669 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 2: God's ears. So let's the press. Yeah, I mean I'm 670 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 2: looking forward to it, you know, And I just I 671 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: just want people to like be able to buy things 672 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 2: from companies that aren't trying to tell them how to 673 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: live their lives. That's a good thing if we can 674 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 2: get there, And. 675 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: That's kind of what you guys are doing at the 676 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: Alliance for Consumers. 677 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, we fight really hard to just look, there's there's 678 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: a long time where companies stopped fighting back against crazy 679 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 2: stuff and they started being the implementers. And at the 680 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 2: end of the day, consumers just want, you know, they 681 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 2: want simple things. They want to be able to go 682 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: to the store without getting mugged. They want there to 683 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 2: be things on the store shelves when they get there 684 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 2: that haven't been robbed. And they would like to not 685 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: be socially lectured while they're at the store. And they 686 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: would like the government to let them buy this kind 687 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 2: of grill or that, this kind of sink or that 688 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 2: without it being entirely dictated by AOC's chief of staff. 689 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: And if you can just let them do that, they'll 690 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 2: vote with their feet and they'll buy the things they want, 691 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: and they'll live the lives they want. If you live 692 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 2: in a coastal enclave of California, you'll buy a tiny 693 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 2: electric car and the super expensive dishwasher, and you know, 694 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: maybe you'll go without air conditioning. And if you live 695 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 2: in Plano, Texas, you'll buy a suburban for your four kids, 696 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 2: and you'll buy a normal house with normal cars and 697 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: normal dishwashers. Because that's the life you're choosing to live. 698 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 2: And that's fine. I'm fine with a crazy person in 699 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 2: coastal California live in a crazy life. They're allowed to 700 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 2: be weird. But I think most people who live in 701 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 2: Eden Prairie, Minnesota or Plano, Texas should also be allowed 702 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 2: to like buy a car and have three kids. I 703 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 2: just think that's like a normal thing to do. Yeah, 704 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: like I don't want to be weird. Yes, most Americans, 705 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: just like most Americans are busy with their kids and 706 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 2: their lives, and they're not thinking about how they could 707 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 2: squeeze an extra two percent efficiency out of their dishwasher 708 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 2: and exchange for an extra three thousand dollars. That's a 709 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi problem. That's not a family in Plano, Texas problem. 710 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 2: And along the way, the government got confused and they 711 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 2: started making it. You know, we call it mandated progressive 712 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 2: lifestyle choices. They're just trying to like mandate the Nancy 713 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 2: Pelosi Marine California crazy lifestyle to the rest of the 714 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 2: country rather than just letting those people be them and 715 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 2: the rest of the country be normal America. 716 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: Waite Skinner was great to meet you recently and great 717 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: to have you on the podcast. I really appreciate your time. 718 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,439 Speaker 2: This has been fun. 719 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 1: That was Waged Skinner Appreciate him for taking the time 720 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home 721 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen 722 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: throughout the week until next time.