1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, this is something you hear 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: that they're not saying, that they don't want to say. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: But it's gott He's something very secretive. I was like, 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: one day I'll know about God. This guy's not secretive. 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: Hi. 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 3: I'm Jessicas, the veto executive producer of the hit Netflix 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 3: series Dancing for the Devil, the seven. 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 4: M TikTok Cult, and I'm Kalia Gray, former member of 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 4: Chakina Church and seven M Films, and welcome back to 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 4: Forgive Me for I have followed a series we're embarking 11 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 4: on a gripping journey into the hidden and harrowing truth 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 4: behind seven M Films and the Chicaina Church. On today's episode, 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 4: we're catching up with one of my good friends, Aubrey. 14 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 4: He's a world renowned dancer with millions of followers across 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 4: his socials. Aubrey is a singer, actor, and former Chicaina 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 4: member and seven M talent. He was featured prominently in 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 4: the doc series and had some revealing things to say 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 4: about his experience. In our conversation with Aubrey, we'll explore 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 4: all of the alleged manipulative dynamics of seven M management. 20 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 4: Hear about his experiences in Chkina Church and learn how 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 4: his life has changed since leaving. 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: But first we'll catch up on his recent activities and 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: get his honest feedback and thoughts of what things were 24 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 3: like after the documentary series came out. Now our conversation 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 3: with Aubrey, Well, thank you for coming and doing this 26 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: with us. 27 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 5: I really appreciate it. 28 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,919 Speaker 4: I'm really happy to see you on the couch sitting 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 4: across from me. 30 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 2: Aubrey, How have you been. 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 5: I've been good. 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Getting ready to release my next single, which is coming 33 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: out soon. I also have a video shoot this weekend 34 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: for it, so I'm preparing for that right now. What else, 35 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: getting ready to work for an artist that I'm choreographing 36 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: forward to as well. Yeah, just doing a lot of things, 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: new things. I'm kind of just starting fresh. But it's 38 00:01:58,520 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: started fresh in a good way. 39 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: It's really beautiful. I'm glad to hear it. 40 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 4: I'm really happy to hear that you're doing good and 41 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 4: all the things that you've been working on. Like I 42 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 4: see the clips online and you know, since I've moved 43 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 4: out of the area, I just feel like a little 44 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: more out of touch, Like I'm like just like I'm 45 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 4: on right, I'm not used to seeing you through a 46 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 4: screen versus like in person getting to ask you like, yeah, 47 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 4: how have you been what are you doing? So I 48 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 4: really appreciate you coming so one just so we could 49 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 4: like get to catch up and also, you know, get 50 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 4: more into how things have been for us, because we 51 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: haven't sat and had a conversation since the documentary came out, 52 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 4: So like, how has that been for you? Watching it 53 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 4: yourself after it's out, and like the response from everybody 54 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 4: from it, I. 55 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: Would say it was a little overwhelming because we shot 56 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: that like two years ago, so like everything has kind 57 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: of shift over as far as like my feelings or whatnot. 58 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: But the people that are still in there, like our friends. 59 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: You know, I still call my brothers and sisters even 60 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: though they may not, but you know, it is what 61 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: it is. But as far as like the outcome when 62 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: the whole release came out. 63 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 5: Some parts I was like so upset. I was mad. 64 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: I was like, man, can't believe we really went through 65 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: that whole mess. But the outcome of it, I mean, 66 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: everybody was, you know, checking up on me and like, 67 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's the same with you and concrete. 68 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 5: To as well. 69 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people don't even know about it, 70 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: to be honest, right, surprisingly, because when they first came out, 71 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: everybody knew about it, like it was like the whole 72 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: dance industry. 73 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 5: Outside of the dance industry. I mean, my grandma knew 74 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 5: about it. 75 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: It was like people outside of life, like the whole 76 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: world kind of like knew of it. But then they 77 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: didn't really know like about it within details. 78 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: So I mean after that Instagram. 79 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 5: Life came then once the documenta came out, and then 80 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 5: they were. 81 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: Like, oh, oh, this is what it was. Okay, obviously 82 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: it's more to the story. You know, you ain't got 83 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: like one tenth of it. 84 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: And the story's still going. 85 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: It's still going, and it does suck to see our 86 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: peoples there, to be honest, but you know, that's just 87 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: up to them whether they see it or not. I'm 88 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: just glad that the people that are left or doing 89 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: their own thing, you know, it's a blessing, you feel 90 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: me so absolutely. 91 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: Have you guys tried to reach out to anyone since 92 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: you've left, Like, was there any sort of continued contact? 93 00:03:59,400 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 5: Yeah? 94 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: Try too, But at the same time, you can tell 95 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: the energy is kind of different you know. I spoke 96 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: to some of the people, you know, even said happy 97 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: birthday to one of them, you know, and it was like, oh, 98 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: thank you, bro, appreciate it. But like as far as 99 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: like hanging out stuff like that, like there's no way 100 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: we're gonna be able to hang out with them, especially 101 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: when we first left, Like I saw a few of 102 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: them a few times. 103 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 5: Actually, I like some events, and it wasn't like hey, bro, 104 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 5: miss you man, let's let's catch it up. It was 105 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 5: like hi, black boom. 106 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: It was that fast, like after all we've been through, 107 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: after all we've hung out and done stuff together, went 108 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: to movies together, had our long talks together saying what 109 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: we're brother this or sister is and that, and it's 110 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: just like he's gonna give up just like that. 111 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 5: Okay, it's all good for me. 112 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 4: Like leaving, it was able to Oh so this is 113 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 4: what like people's friends and family were talking about, like 114 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 4: Reno's parents, Randa's parents, like what they were saying back when, 115 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 4: I felt like, oh that. 116 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 2: That doesn't sound right. 117 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 4: It sounds like they're being they're being bearing, overbearing. Okay, 118 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: now I understand what they're saying. 119 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,679 Speaker 3: Because I got cold shoulder and that that cold, yes. 120 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 4: That decrease in relationship, that distance, And I think I 121 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 4: especially see it through Kevin, because Kevin's been friends with 122 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 4: some of these people since he was a teenager. Yeah, 123 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 4: And so like having someone whom it's like, you're my 124 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 4: brother through time and like through everything to like turn 125 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 4: around and hear like, you're not my brother because you're 126 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 4: attacking us basically, like you said, this has nothing to 127 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: do with you. This has to do with the wrongs 128 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 4: that happened against me that need to be corrected. 129 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 5: Totally. 130 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 4: I think I just kind of want to like take 131 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 4: us back to the beginning when you first were introduced 132 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 4: to Chicaina and seven M and you know what made 133 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 4: you want to like join and be a part of 134 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 4: what they had going on, be a part of their community. 135 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: I was first introduced, for one because one of my 136 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: friends are in there was good friends with Robert's son, 137 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: and you know, they were doing videos a lot, they 138 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: were doing content a lot. They're always like hanging out 139 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: and they became best friends. And so one story short, 140 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: one day, not Robert Son, but one of my other 141 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: dance friends, he was you know, mentioning like something from 142 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: the word and you know, he was very inspired and 143 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: you can tell like he was very uplifted, like he 144 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: was like, oh do I learn this? You know, this 145 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: is like really good, Like I've heard this from somebody 146 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: else in a minute, and like it's so refreshing to hear. 147 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 5: And you know, he started sharing it. I was like, Okay, 148 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 5: this sounds dope. You know, I grew up with in 149 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 5: a Christian home, so like I was like very intrigued. 150 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 5: I was like, okay, dope. 151 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Like I got friends out a Christian you 152 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: know that that go to church. You know, I reached 153 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: the Bible. All right, cool, this is dope. 154 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 5: So then you know, I'm like, okay, like who is 155 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 5: this guy He's like saying that. 156 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: You know, Robert's the pastor. You know, he's a man 157 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: of God and you know he he shares the word. 158 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, cool, that's dope. And then they 159 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: started going there frequently so that they were like, hey, bro, we. 160 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 5: Had Isaiah's how you come through. I'm like, okay, fine, 161 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,239 Speaker 5: I'll come up with the crib. 162 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: You know, I hang out with them and blah blah 163 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: blah whatever, and I'm chilling. I don't really know Isaiah 164 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: like that I just know three mother friends are there. 165 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: And then that's when you know, Robert comes down. He's cooking, 166 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: and you know, he's asking me questions like oh, okay, 167 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: I heard a lot about you, and how many follows 168 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: do you have? And you know, she's like, oh, you 169 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: gotta you got the same amount of faults as this guy. 170 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, just regud conversation, nothing too crazy. 171 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: Then you know, he feeds us. Then after he fees us, 172 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: that's when he starts getting into the world. He starts 173 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: asking me questions. You know, if you grew up in church, 174 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: or you grew up in a Christian family, have you 175 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: gone to church recently? Haven't been going to church a lot? 176 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: Or like do you know how many times you send 177 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: the day? You know, you know the normal question, how. 178 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: Many times do you think you sent it? 179 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 5: How many times you think you sent the day? 180 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: What if I told you? 181 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 5: If I told you? 182 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: And then like, you know, I said, I don't know, 183 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: maybe once, two, three, four or five times? He said thousands. 184 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 5: I was like, oh, oh yes. 185 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,679 Speaker 2: The syntactic. 186 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: According to former Chakina church members, this was a strategy 187 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 4: alleged to be used by Robert to humble potential recruits 188 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,239 Speaker 4: and encourage them to reconcile with God. 189 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: This made them eager to join Chicaina. This is like 190 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: one of his favorite baits. 191 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's that's what everybody that are new everybody. 192 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: And so he's like thousands and he's saying how there's 193 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of things that you can probably not 194 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: even know that you're sinning, but you're sending it. 195 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 5: I was like okay. 196 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: And then he started mentioning about like how many people 197 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: do you think I have at my church? And I 198 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: was like like one hundred, one hundred and fifty and 199 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: he said no, he was like a small number. It's 200 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: like twenty thirty forty something like that. And he started 201 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: explaining like I don't allow anybody just to come to 202 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: my church. He said it depends on how you want it. 203 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: And I was like okay. And then he was like, 204 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: let's go to revelations and then he's like read this. 205 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: The scripture said here a look warm, I'll eat you 206 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: up and spit you out. I'm like that makes sense. 207 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: I was like okay, I have been, you know, kind 208 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: of on it off. And then that's when we started 209 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: getting to the word more and it this sounded like 210 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: very and drinuing like it sounded really good. I was 211 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: just like, okay, like this is something that like I've 212 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: really had before as far as like you know, if 213 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: someone's breaking down the word like that and whatnot. So 214 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: that's why I was like, okay, this is code, and 215 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: everybody else is like so like intrigued by it, and 216 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: those my friends. 217 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 5: He's a friend of my friends. So I'm like, I'm 218 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 5: here about somefing Okay, cool, long story short. I slowly 219 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 5: started coming around, but not really. 220 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: But then there's days for like, oh, okay, I'll go 221 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: hang out with him, let me learn more. 222 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 5: And that's when I met Daniel. 223 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: Did Daniel invite you to me? 224 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: Just I just went with my friends. It was just us, 225 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: like the dancers and Isaiah, you know, we're all hanging 226 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: out whatever. And then that's when he was like, all 227 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: we about to leave. We're about to go see Daniel. 228 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: He's like, bro, this person, he's so wise, He's got 229 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: so much wisdom. Man, How he talks, it's just like 230 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: how Robert talks. I was like, Okay, at the time, 231 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: we didn't call Robert Robert. 232 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 5: We call him Doc. So you know, that's when They're like, 233 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 5: come with us, man. 234 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm good, I don't want to come. 235 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: And then he was like, bro, this might be the 236 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: only chance, man, because you may never get an opportunity 237 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: like this. I was like all right, I guess and 238 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: they're all agreeing to it. They're like yeah, man, like 239 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: you bro, please just just come trust this. I was 240 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: like all right, I go, you know. And Daniel's cool. 241 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: He was like a little younger late thirties, forties, thirty 242 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: four years Yeah, very youth ful. 243 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 5: So I was like, okay, dope. Had a meeting outside. 244 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: We didn't get too deep with it, but it was 245 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: very like casual cool and that was about it, and 246 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: then just went home. 247 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 5: After that. 248 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: One of my friends he was explaining how he had 249 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: a pain one night and he wasn't able to eat, 250 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: he wasn't able to do anything like it got to 251 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 1: the point where like he felt like he had to 252 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: go to the hospital. So he was explaining how, yo, 253 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: like it's unbelievable, man, Doc dick somebody to me and like, bro, 254 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: everybody got in circu they pray over me, and then 255 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: my stomach wasn't hurting like I kept hitting it like 256 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: I was hitting a hard as I can. 257 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 5: I was like, I don't feel nothing. 258 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: And after that, that's when he was like, yo, like 259 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: this is real, Like yo, he's got to be like legit. 260 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: So I'm just like, it's got to be something that 261 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: I'm missing here. Everybody's like going to this place and 262 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: they're getting the word and they're speaking about good things 263 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: about this guy. And so I'm like, you know what 264 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: I trusted, y'all, I'm gonna start going a lot. And 265 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: when I started going even more frequently, then that's when 266 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: like I started anymore like in tune with what he 267 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: was saying, and like he was saying, how like you know, 268 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: not everybody joins my church right away. It depends on 269 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: how bad you want it. And so that's when I 270 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: was really like, Okay, cool, I'm gonna show him I 271 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: want it. That's just how I got brought up to 272 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: the whole meaning Robert and all that. 273 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: When did like the seven M get started in the 274 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 4: management side of it? Was that while you were first 275 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 4: joining or was it after you'd been. 276 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: Seven M started? So I'll give you a whole breakdown, Okay, 277 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: Me and three my other friends were all doing videos 278 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: at Hollow Boulevard and we did it for like a 279 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: couple hours. 280 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 5: Whatever. 281 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: Went back to Robert's house. Everybody's chilling. It's a hot day, 282 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, everybody's chilling the house. 283 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 5: Whatever. 284 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: Robert comes down, you know, he's talking to everybody. You know, 285 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: he's like, hey, how you doing. You know, how's the videos? 286 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah whatever. Then he starts seeing one person 287 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: was struggling to do something because he was trying to 288 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: get a brand new and he had to get it 289 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: fast or else it was too late for him to 290 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: get it from what they said, okay. And then my 291 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: other friend was also on the computer. He was trying 292 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: to get like something from a brando that he worked for, 293 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: but it was taken a while for him to get paid. 294 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: The only person that had a management was one person. 295 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: Everybody else did not have no management. So you know, 296 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: Robert of course knew all that, and he was like, 297 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: you know what he caught handed down. It's like, Hannah, 298 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: we're having a meeting. 299 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Hannah is Robert's wife. 300 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: She comes down and right before they start the meeting, 301 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, let me just get out, let me 302 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: go leave. This has nothing to do with me, and 303 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: he goes, Albret, you can stay here and listen, and 304 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm just like. 305 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 5: Okay, sure. I don't know why, but Eric sure. 306 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: And he's saying, Okay, we're gonna make a management company 307 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: you guys. You know, we're gonna call it seven Them, 308 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: and we're gonna make sure you guys get your payments. 309 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna give all the brand news to 310 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: you guys so that where you guys are not struggling 311 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: with payment whatever, blah blah blah. And after he finished 312 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: saying what he had to say the meeting ended. I 313 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: was like, I can I join? He didn't say anything, 314 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: walked away. I wanted to be my friend. I was like, 315 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: did you hear what he said? I was like no, 316 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: he was like what he said before me, it depends 317 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: on how you want it. I was like what, Like. 318 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 5: What is like? What is this thing? 319 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,479 Speaker 1: So then I'm like, okay, good things I have for everybody. 320 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: They trust this dude. They getting to work, and then 321 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: I'm just like okay. And then at this time, that's 322 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: when they barely started getting invited to the church. And 323 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: it took me about two months to get invited. And yeah, 324 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: that's how seven M started pretty much. 325 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 3: When you did get invited to the church and you 326 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: started going to services, then you also got signed to 327 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: seven M. 328 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: So after I got invited, I will say about a 329 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: month or two in of being the church. Mind you, 330 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: I was already getting brand deals before I even knew 331 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: about Chikina. But the thing about it is that I 332 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: was already struggling to keep up with a lot of 333 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: things because it was just like, I'm independent, I got 334 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: a management, I ain't got no camera, man, I don't 335 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: have nobody, So I'm like, I'm scrambling to pitching the 336 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: deliverables as much as I can, and I was barely 337 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: making it. 338 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: So if you'd already been getting brand deals and then 339 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: you signed into seven M, did you see like a 340 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: spike in what was coming in for you at that 341 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 3: time or do you think it was just kind of 342 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: a continuation of what you were already building. 343 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: It was just a continuation I was already building. It 344 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: was helped to learn how to manage as far as like, 345 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: are we're going to have you do this, Okay, this 346 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: person gonna come and do this for you. You're gonna do 347 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: like twenty five videos of this so that we can 348 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: cram it all the brand deals that you have to 349 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: work on and then you will get it all done 350 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: with it one day. 351 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 3: So just being way more efficient. 352 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: It was being made way more efficient, time efficient, creative. 353 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: I would say that word for sure. But then as 354 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: far as like did they help me with them, No, 355 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: because I was pretty much building up to that already. 356 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: One thing that just throughout this process for me that 357 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 3: I've heard from a lot of people, whether they be 358 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: the dancers or just ex members, was the system that 359 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: they created inside Chicaina and seven M was just efficiency 360 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: and I think also relinquishing the adulting side of life, 361 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 3: and then also just the organization. They had that so 362 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: much in place that it was easy for p people. 363 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: Once you kind of give that over, that control gets 364 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 3: handed to somebody else, but then you start to feel 365 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: there's a level of ease that. 366 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: Comes with that. 367 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: But then from an outsider looking in, you can understand 368 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: how that could create so much control on their side 369 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: because you've taken away that muscle memory of you know, 370 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 3: paying bills, creating content, that responsibility of having to do 371 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: follow ups. But that efficiency works for them, and it 372 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: works really well for both the dancers and for people 373 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: that were in Chochina. 374 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 5: And also the amount that they were asked these brand deals. 375 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 5: It was more so them the negotiations of it, all 376 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 5: negotiations stuff like that. 377 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: Obviously, all of you are so incredibly talented, and the 378 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 3: genres that you can dance to are just you're very 379 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: versatile in that sense. But there's people that are still 380 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 3: in there that I feel have completely changed their style 381 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 3: of dance. Was that at times like if you wanted 382 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 3: to do a certain style and you weren't able to 383 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: because you're limited to a genre of music, did you 384 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: find that to be frustrating times at all? 385 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: We can dance in any song we wanted to, But 386 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: the content day was more so orchestrated by Robert, So like, Okay. 387 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 5: Do this song? Do this song? I do? 388 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: I think it's because me and somebody else has got 389 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: instructed to do this one song and it hit like 390 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: millions of views, and so Robert was saying, hoghlight. See 391 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: when you get instructed by the man of God, you'll 392 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: be blessed. So that's when everybody's like, You're like, oh damn, 393 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: like they got millions of abusing it. Okay, I guess 394 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna do Oska music too. 395 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 5: So that's when it was like, all right, cooler, then 396 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 5: let's do it. We're doing crazy on social media. 397 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what made it so enticing too. 398 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 4: When Kevin and I like were visiting La and so, 399 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 4: like we had already seen you guys putting out the 400 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 4: content and getting the brand deals, and you're like, well, 401 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 4: it's been working for a lot of your friends. Like, 402 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: let's let's see what's going on. 403 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So we were like, all right, cool. And 404 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: it also made it fun too as well, because it 405 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: was with people that we already knew. 406 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, friends, So we're just like, this is even better. 407 00:16:59,320 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 5: You know. 408 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: You're listening to forgive me for I have followed. We'll 409 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 3: be right back, welcome back. We're breaking down Aubrey's experience 410 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 3: with seven M and Chicina. So when did that change? 411 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 3: When did you start to realize that something was off 412 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 3: and it wasn't what you thought it was? 413 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: When the services started changing and on different days, it 414 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: was less meetings at one point because of the whole 415 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: life thing. I grew up on social media with Mary 416 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: and his family. After that, life went out a few 417 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: services like back to back to back. At one point, 418 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't about service. It was about backing up on 419 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: his side of a story. And then he was making 420 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: fun of Katie Joy. And then it was like, are. 421 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 5: We gonna go to the world? Are you just gonna 422 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 5: Are we gonna just gonna gossip about something? 423 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: Don't have a whole sermon for two hours about somebody 424 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: else and then make fun of him and call him sandwich. 425 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: You started calling Katie Joe. 426 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, so and it was soundwichy because and then people 427 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 5: thought that was so funny. We're gonna sound like, oh I. 428 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 4: Don't want to I don't want to call her a bitch, 429 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 4: so we're gonna call her a witch. We're gonna color 430 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 4: a sandwich. Bro. Yes, I was like, just color you 431 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 4: want You're already cussing on the. 432 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: He's like, so you will never like, you'll never hear 433 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: a passion that cuss. But me, I'm cool one. 434 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 5: I was like, Ohm, my bro, you ain't black, bro. 435 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 5: But it's not working. 436 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 4: But oh my gosh. 437 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 5: Anyways, and then wait, what's that about? Hang on? Just 438 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 5: go ahead, go ahead. 439 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 4: He really there were a lot of times where he 440 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 4: would very much appropriate the culture is the nicest way 441 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 4: I would say it. But do you remember the time 442 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 4: where he went up on the pulpit and said the 443 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 4: N word no, yes, because he's like, I'm like, I 444 00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 4: am your love, because like he was, he was just 445 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 4: saying like basically, when you're in the eyes of God, 446 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 4: like you know how he would just always be. 447 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 5: Like, I'm I'm the man of God. 448 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: I am like Jesus. So if I'm like Jesus, I 449 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: have no race. 450 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 4: And if I have no race, I could say the 451 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 4: things I was. 452 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: Oh, I think I'll remember it on because only because 453 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: half of the time I just was not paying attention 454 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: because the serve would be so freaking long five hours, 455 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: six hours, five hours of sermon. Sometimes it'll be like 456 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: a longer was I think at one point, was there 457 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: until like eleven eleven thirty at night or something like 458 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: that when you get home late, like we'll start at 459 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: four four pm. 460 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: Sting, I'm sweating from all the things. 461 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 5: I have so many Well, think about we had we 462 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 5: had he would. 463 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 4: Have worship for two hours, like just music playing for 464 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 4: two to three hours and prayer, silent prayer. 465 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: Yes, And that's when Kevin would take his naps. 466 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 6: I was I was taking was taking my nas and 467 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 6: because I guess that's what they did was they were 468 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 6: like you start and praying with them speaking in tongues, 469 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 6: and so you do have like a whole forty five 470 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 6: minutes to hour. 471 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 5: I don't remember. 472 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: And then most sometimes even on Wednesdays too. Boy, I 473 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: was just like, oh man, I'm so tired. 474 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 5: Mind you. We had Sunday service as Monday meetings. 475 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: The guy, I don't know, we'll be at Roberts House 476 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: for meetings on Mondays. 477 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: Oh no, that was the Kevin and I weren't invited 478 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: to those, remember. 479 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, later on you guys run invited. Didn't know why. 480 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 4: Actually I never knew why, because Kevin didn't want to 481 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 4: go to one of the meetings because he and I 482 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 4: had like had a disagreement about something. So he was like, 483 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 4: I'm not going to anything, and then that's when we 484 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 4: got disinvited. 485 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 486 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: And then Tuesday you had men's meeting with all the 487 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: men's a psalm. 488 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 5: Wednesday you had service. Thursday. 489 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: What was Thursday? I don't think you would have anything 490 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: on Thursday. Friday we had a meeting and. 491 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: That was the women's meeting. Fridays, but I think we. 492 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: Had means at Roberts House Fridays. Saturday we had men's 493 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: meeting with Daniel at sam again, then you have service, So. 494 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 3: We only had one day off the men's meetings versus 495 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 3: the women's meetings. Do you ever feel like you were 496 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 3: missing your partner, because I know when we spoke to Maryland, 497 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 3: she had kind of said that, you know, her experience 498 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: and David's experience were so different and that you start 499 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 3: to feel a little bit of that divide. Did you 500 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: guys ever feel that within your relationships? 501 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: Well, me and Kylie, she'll work throughout the day with kids, 502 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: and I was also doing like brand deals, like jobs, 503 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: or like doing content whatever. I was doing a lot 504 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: of things, a lot of work. What he also appreached 505 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 1: was that you have to have a relationship with your 506 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: mentor more than your spouse. Yeah, or something like that, Yeah, 507 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: that's how you get closer to God, or. 508 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 5: Something like that. 509 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: You should be talking to your mentor more than. 510 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 5: Talking to you because that's your tether to God. Submit 511 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 5: to your mentor. That. 512 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: Kevin had a really big problem with that one. He 513 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: was like, no, you're not in my bed. 514 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 5: You're not. 515 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 4: And it was a little bit different for Kevin and 516 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 4: I as well, because I helped shoot the content, so 517 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 4: I was there a lot of the times we spent 518 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 4: most of our time like together versus like some of 519 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 4: the other couples, they had different things going on. We'll 520 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 4: be back with more from our conversation with Aubrey. This 521 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 4: is forgive me for I have followed. Welcome back to 522 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 4: forgive me for I have followed. Here's the conclusion of 523 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 4: our conversation with Aubrey. 524 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 3: So when did you get out? When was that aha moment? 525 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you about that time here, because 526 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 4: you know, we kind of like moved past it. 527 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: We're glad you're out now. 528 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 4: But it was like, so we had decided to leave, 529 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 4: the group of us had left, and then like we 530 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 4: had heard from the group of people that you were 531 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 4: like still back. 532 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 2: And going there. 533 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 5: We were like, what Aubrey, what the heck? 534 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: Bro? 535 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 2: What happened? 536 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 5: Yeah? 537 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I knew everything was going wrong, but there 538 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: was still no evidence of it yet. My heart is 539 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: saying one thing, but my mind saying one thing. I'm 540 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: still trying to understand, like like what is this? You know? 541 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 5: And so I was like, you know what, I hear 542 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 5: everybody's side. 543 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 1: I need clarity. I was like, I need clarity. So 544 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: I was still going into service, but I wasn't going 545 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: just to be there. That was more so just like 546 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: navigating and like looking. I was being very careful. I 547 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: was hearingbody's tone. I was looking at everybody's body language, 548 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: like I was looking at everything, like anything I could 549 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: find I was a red flag anything. And it was 550 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: more so like the services were kind of just acting 551 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: as if like everything was just so normal. And then 552 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: when we had our Bible study meetings, that was okay, 553 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: but like I wasn't feeling anything. 554 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 5: Week after week it was less caring. 555 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: It was more like forget these people, they left us whatever, 556 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: moving on, and I didn't really like that. I was like, 557 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: more so like okay, this is not something I want 558 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: to be a part of. And I was to my 559 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: heart is telling me not to be here. And I 560 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: was like, if I left today, would I'd be okay 561 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: leading here? Because we was in there, but we was 562 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: in it for a minute, so I was like, would 563 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: I be okay with it? And then as soon as 564 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: I left, I hit up one of my mentors and said, hey, 565 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think I'll be able to go 566 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: to Chicano anymore. I just want to just take a 567 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: step back. He was like, okay, do you mind be 568 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: asking why. I was like, I just want to take 569 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: a break for a while, and he was okay, and 570 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: he started talking more, and I was just like, why 571 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: is he still talking to me? Like I thought, he'll 572 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: be very understandable, you know, he wouldn't be so pushy 573 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: about the whole conversation, just trying to have me stay. 574 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: I have to repeat myself again, and I was like, okay, 575 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: this is the reason why I have to leave. 576 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 5: And so after I got out the phone with him, 577 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 5: I sent him my email to hand. 578 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, just continue this last brand new 579 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: that we have together that's in a contract. But after that, 580 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'll be done. I wish you guys the best, 581 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: and blah blah. It was very very professional, and then 582 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: you know she's messed me back home. I'm so sad 583 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: for you to leave. You know, let me know if 584 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: you need anything. I hope everything goes well for you. 585 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: And that was it, and then I think about a 586 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: few days or a week later. That's when we had 587 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: our meeting. And then that's when when somebody else was 588 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: explaining about how she kind of was and I was like, 589 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: no way, if I was in Chicaina, I probably would 590 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: not go to that meeting that we had with Alanie. 591 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 5: I would never know. 592 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 3: I didn't realize how and it was. 593 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 5: I told you. I was like I had literally just left. 594 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all coming back to me. 595 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 5: Wow. Still, and then when Rotha came out and I 596 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 5: was like, oh, oh this is good. 597 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 2: Is good that the things are adding up. 598 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: And then when Daniel and Chloe says something they made 599 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: a statement, made a statement, I was like, Okay, there's 600 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: something in here that they're not saying that they don't 601 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: want to say, but it's got something very secretive. I 602 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: was like, one thing I know about God, this guy 603 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: is not secretive. And I was like, that is my cute. 604 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: Have you heard from like Daniel or Chloe since. 605 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 5: There's I haven't. I haven't heard from Daniel Chloe. 606 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: I think my thing is that I don't want to 607 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: get in fad of what they were dealing with robbery 608 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: because at the same time, that's like that's his daughter, 609 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I think I'm just leave y'all 610 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: be because y'all was in there for the longest. 611 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 5: I don't know what y'all going through right now. 612 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: So with that being said, I'm gonna let y'all deal 613 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: with it on your own and whenever that time is, 614 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: even if we do meet up and talk, then that 615 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: time will come. 616 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 5: But other than that, I'm. 617 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: Like, because I have I have so many questions for Dan. 618 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, and they just left out of nowhere. 619 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: And then when Roberts just says something like, oh, I 620 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: don't know why they left. But then I caught him 621 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: the other time when that topic came about again, he 622 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: was saying, like, we have a mentor and the men 623 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: of guy. You know, there's gonna be some agreements, there's 624 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: gonna be some disagreements. But I was like, didn't you 625 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: just say you don't know why the left? So that 626 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: was when I was like, very skeptical about that too 627 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: as well. But I didn't catch that until later on, 628 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: because you know, when you're in something, you get so 629 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: oblivious you just don't really like ask questions in there 630 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: because if you do, then you lose privileges like you 631 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: just don't you don't do this, you don't get invited 632 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: to this, or blah blah blah blah. 633 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 4: So we both have like friends or people I still 634 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 4: care about that are the best of our knowledge. 635 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 2: Still over there. 636 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, anything that you want to say to them, like 637 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 4: now if they were to hear this, or if they 638 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 4: were to hear from. 639 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: You, Oh man, there's a lot I would want to say, 640 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna keep it short. Man, what are 641 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 1: y'all in there out there? We still support you and 642 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: we still love y'all. 643 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 5: That's it, Like, you know, still have community. 644 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: We still still have community outside of that, you know, 645 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: and don't rely on some man to make decisions for you. 646 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: It's just if I had to be completely honest, there's 647 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: not just one thing I would just say to them. 648 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 5: It's multiple things I want to say to them. 649 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: But at the same time, like it's hard for me 650 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: to keep it short and simple because it's like it's complex, 651 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: you know, Like I build a relationship, I better friendship 652 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: with them, So it's kind of hard to kind of 653 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: be like, what's one word you would say? I was like, 654 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean they could be one word about Like, there's 655 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: multiple words I can say. 656 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: To a two hour conversations. 657 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 5: Our conversation. We got to sit down and talk, you 658 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. 659 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: So that's why it's very hard for me to like 660 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: let it out of me because I'm like, I don't know, 661 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: like it's so much to let out and say. 662 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 3: It actually has me very very emotional, and I think 663 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 3: that there's this like one the reminder of how soon 664 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 3: after we met. But I'm gonna try to get through 665 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 3: this real quick. You guys have become friends, and I 666 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: it makes me sad that they don't get to be 667 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: a part of your lives because I think you guys 668 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 3: are just such amazing people and just hearing you after 669 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: everything that you've been through, after all of the shit 670 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: that's been said after the documentary came out, and obviously, 671 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 3: as you guys know, big concern after the doc came out, 672 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: which just making sure that you guys were good and 673 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 3: still the love that I know that you have for 674 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: them in there and the manipulation and the way it's 675 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 3: being twisted. I guess my hope is is that you 676 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 3: guys can have those moments again, that you can have 677 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 3: those two hours to be like, Yo, we need to 678 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 3: sit down, we need to talk about this, and we 679 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: need to hash it out because I've just gained so 680 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: much love and respect for you guys, and I consider 681 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 3: you friends and it's a shame. It's a shame that 682 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 3: they don't get to be a part of that. And 683 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: I'm so appreciative. I'm appreciative for you and for the 684 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: time and for trusting us through such a vulnerable process. 685 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: I think maybe I forgot how vulnerable it was, knowing 686 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 3: how soon we met with you and and you know, 687 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: hopefully we've created that community that you feel that you 688 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 3: have support in all of that, but in the continuation 689 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 3: of it. 690 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 5: But I need a tissue O cry beautiful. 691 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: But I will say, if it was another word, I 692 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: will say to them, I would just say, I forgive y'all. 693 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: That's it, you know, only because y'all intentions are very 694 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: pure and I get it. But at the same time, 695 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: it's like there's two ways every story, Yes there are, 696 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: but it's only one truth. 697 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 5: There's always only one truth. So when God reveals that 698 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 5: we'll be here. 699 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 4: It was really amazing getting to catch up with Aubrey 700 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 4: on today's episode. Hearing his recounts of many key moments 701 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 4: was illuminating, at times, really hilarious. 702 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 2: And often heartfelt. 703 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 4: I really loved just being able to hear his story 704 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 4: and compare it to my own, because it wasn't something 705 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 4: we got to do a lot in the church. While 706 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 4: joining Chicaina Church and seven M Films wasn't exactly what 707 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 4: we expected. It's important to reflect and focus on collective healing. 708 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 3: Thank you for tuning in to this episode of Forgive 709 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 3: Me For I Have Followed. We're especially grateful to Aubrey 710 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 3: for sharing his story with us. We'll be back next week. 711 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 4: Forgive Me For I Have Followed is a production from 712 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 4: wv Sound, Dirty Robert and iHeartMedia's Michael Tore podcast network, 713 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 4: hosted by me Khalia Gray and me Jess cossabetto Forgive 714 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 4: Me For I Have Followed is produced by Aaron Berlson 715 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 4: and Sophie Spencer Zabos. 716 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Khalia Gray, Myself, Warmer Balderama, Leo Klem, 717 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: and Aaron Burlison at wv Sound. 718 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 4: This episode was edited by Sean Tracy and features original 719 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 4: music by Madison Davenport and Halo Boy. 720 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeart, visit. 721 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 4: The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 722 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 4: your favorite shows. 723 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: See you next week, See you next week.