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Speaker 1: part of a class action lawsuit against opioid distributors, manufacturers,

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Speaker 1: He's closely watching the federal case involving Summit and Cuyahoga

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Speaker 1: an epidemic. With me an all star panel. Doctor William Maroney,

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Speaker 1: America's Opioid Epidemic. You can find that at Berrymeyer books

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Speaker 1: dot com. That's spelled m E I E R. Welcome everybody,

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Speaker 1: Doctor William Maroney, Infants being born addicted to Opioid's first

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Speaker 1: Break it down, Moroney, Okay, break it down. Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: we need more people to treat and less people to

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Speaker 1: throw pain meds out on the street like the ice

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Speaker 1: cream truck. People get greedy, they make too much money.

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Speaker 1: That gets easy. The states are out of control and

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Speaker 1: everything comes down to there's not enough people a treat.

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Speaker 1: We've created this problem with twenty years of bad prescribing.

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Speaker 1: Now we need treatment. Okay, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: Mark Tate, doctor Moroni, Judah, Joseph. I can't even call

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Speaker 1: out all these names. All of these are opioids, Vicodin,

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Speaker 1: tailing all number three and four, Chesstra, Tussian, next, tussiecaps, Targenic, roxy,

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Speaker 1: set rosera, Percaden, percocet, palliadone, oxy set, oxyconton, opana, norco.

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Speaker 1: I mean lord set, Lord tab loqui, set, hidrocan, hydromette,

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Speaker 1: high set. There's so many. I can't even go vicadendon,

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Speaker 1: I say that, zodiol. There's so many, I can't even

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Speaker 1: tell you all of them. And there's street names Captain Cody, Cody, Skillboy,

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Speaker 1: Doors and fours, Pancakes and loads, Emma's and mother, Miss Emma,

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Speaker 1: Monkey Stuff, Demi's, paint Killer, Apachee, China Girl, Dance Fever.

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Speaker 1: I don't even have time to say all the names

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Speaker 1: on the street. So, Mark Tate, your lawsuit, which is

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Speaker 1: very brave, how many do you believe? How many people

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Speaker 1: are affected by your lawsuit? Total population of addicts and

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00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: they're loved ones, you know, probably eight million, ten million people.

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Speaker 1: And again understand that what we're doing with the lawsuits,

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Speaker 1: we have on behalf of the governments. We are filing

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Speaker 1: and representing them to get back the money, the taxpayer

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Speaker 1: money that they had to spend to treat the attic

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Speaker 1: law enforcement, drug courts, jails, corners offices, narcan, equipment and training.

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Speaker 1: These types of things have cost taxpayers money. So the

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Speaker 1: real ridiculous tragedy, in addition to the number of people

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Speaker 1: who are dying and addicted at all the costs of

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Speaker 1: treating those people and all the lawsuits their loved ones experience,

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Speaker 1: is the fact that we, as taxpayers funding our government,

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Speaker 1: are subsidizing these industries. We are fixing it so the

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Speaker 1: families and the stockholders of these companies and these companies

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Speaker 1: and their executives are getting fat and rich and happy,

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Speaker 1: and soon they are rolling in money. Mark takes rolling

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Speaker 1: in money while people are dying. That's exactly right, and

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Speaker 1: we have subsidized that. You know, It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: when Walmart teaches its minimum wage employees how to go

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Speaker 1: get Medicaid. We're subsidizing their wealth. We are subdizing these

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Speaker 1: companies as taxpayers. And what we're doing is saying, listen,

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Speaker 1: you are now going to bear the full cost of

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Speaker 1: your product. No longer are you going to get to

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Speaker 1: skip happy taking our money while you're killing us. We're

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Speaker 1: going to make you pay all of the economic costs

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Speaker 1: you put on us and pay for future treatment of

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Speaker 1: these people, and hopefully we can change a mindset. And

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Speaker 1: you mentioned this earlier where you know people are blaming

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Speaker 1: the addict and it's just not proper because what happens is,

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Speaker 1: as the doctor was saying, this drug changes your brain chemistry,

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Speaker 1: and so it is no longer a voluntary act. You

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Speaker 1: are you are taking this drug to keep yourself from dying,

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Speaker 1: because if you go cold turkey off of opiates after

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Speaker 1: you become addicted, you can die. People have seizures, you've

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Speaker 1: you've heard describe the nausea and vomiting. But it makes

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Speaker 1: it so you you can't just stock. You gotta paper

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Speaker 1: off and switch to other things, you know, like the

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Speaker 1: old method toone clinics, and so that's the way you survive.

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Speaker 1: But you know it's not the volition of the addict,

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Speaker 1: and so you gotta, we gotta, hopefully, although it's going

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Speaker 1: to be difficult, destigmatized addiction so that people do get

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Speaker 1: treated and do get better. And like I said, with

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Speaker 1: the drug dealer liability actor. You now have a tool

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Speaker 1: in Georgia and Michigan to go after these companies on

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Speaker 1: behalf of the loved ones of the individual abuser. And

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Speaker 1: we're doing it, and that's going to make it different.

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Speaker 1: I want you to listen to doctor Barry Scholtz and

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Speaker 1: what he does when he's asked why he prescribed one

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Speaker 1: thousand opioid pills to a pregnant mom d A record

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Speaker 1: show in two ten, one patient of doctor Scholtz was

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Speaker 1: prescribed nearly seventeen thousand of the highest potency oxycodone pills

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Speaker 1: in a seven month period. Another got more than twenty

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Speaker 1: three thousand over eight months. That's more than one hundred

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Speaker 1: pills a day. Business was so good Scholtz was making

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Speaker 1: more than six thousand dollars a day prescribing and selling

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Speaker 1: opioids to his patients. The numbers of pills that you

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Speaker 1: were prescribing are astronomical. Who takes that many pills and

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Speaker 1: puts them into their body? What were you thinking? I

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Speaker 1: was thinking that the patient was a genuine patient who

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Speaker 1: had real chronic pain, whose complaints were legitimate, and that

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Speaker 1: I was prescribing medication that they needed. Doctor, you prescribed

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Speaker 1: a thousand opio pills to a pregnant woman. I don't

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Speaker 1: think most doctors would prescribe a thousand aspirings to a

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Speaker 1: pregnant woman. I would like to stop yep. When Whittaker

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Speaker 1: turned up the heat the doctor, if I could even

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Speaker 1: call him, that left the interview. Doctor William Moroni, take

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Speaker 1: a listen to this. We got the report from the

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Speaker 1: Midwest Medical Examiner's Office, which did the autopsy on Prince's body.

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Speaker 1: They also did the toxicology of his bloodstream, and what

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Speaker 1: they are saying is he died from an overdose of

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Speaker 1: an opioid. We told you on TMC dot com for

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Speaker 1: weeks that we were told Prince had an addiction to percocet,

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Speaker 1: which is also an opioid. The shocking thing about this

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Speaker 1: report is that they are saying he died from a

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Speaker 1: fetanyl overdose. Fentanyl, so that everyone knows, is a very

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Speaker 1: very strong opioid. It is very similar to percocet, but

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Speaker 1: much stronger. You're hearing our friends over at t MZ,

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Speaker 1: doctor Moroni, if Prince, if Prince's life couldn't be saved,

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Speaker 1: what does that say for thems? Moroni? It's gonna get

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Speaker 1: worse before it gets better. When you have all the

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Speaker 1: money in the world and you end up taking fraudulent pharmaceuticals.

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Speaker 1: He didn't know he was getting fentyl and he was

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Speaker 1: still addicted, and he couldn't afford treatment, and he didn't

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Speaker 1: get it sooner, it's gonna get worse before it gets better.

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Speaker 1: Hug your children, well, wh wha white white Hug your children.

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Speaker 1: That's all you've got for me. I mean, you gotta

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Speaker 1: give me more than hug your children already do that. Narcan,

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Speaker 1: Narcan in the house, Narcan buy the book. See that

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Speaker 1: you need Narcan in your house. It's more important than

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Speaker 1: soap and water. Right now. We love our kids in sports,

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Speaker 1: we love our kids in choir, we love our kids

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Speaker 1: in class. But narcan because you never know where the

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Speaker 1: fentanyl is gonna come up. Right now. De fentyls in

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Speaker 1: method fetam, the fentanyls in marijuana, the fentyls in cocaine.

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Speaker 1: So if the kids say, well, I'm gonna try drug,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna get an opioid, they can still die.

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Speaker 1: That's how bad it is out there. Let me give

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Speaker 1: you this number one eight hundred and six six two four, three, five, seven, one,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and sixty six to help. I hope that

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Speaker 1: parents are listening. Nancy Grace's crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,