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Speaker 1: be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. As

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Speaker 1: January twenty twenty rolled around, Jessica's family was waiting on

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Speaker 1: of new information or details that could shed some light

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Speaker 1: on what happened to their Jessica. As far as the

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Speaker 1: investigation was going, it had been a long five months. Sure,

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Speaker 1: they were getting snippets from Erica during that month's long

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Speaker 1: text conversation she and Justin had, but as you know

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Speaker 1: in early twenty twenty that Erica and Justin's conversation ended,

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Speaker 1: and since Justin had zero contact with Jessica's family at

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Speaker 1: this point, they were pretty much in the dark until

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Speaker 1: one day in late January when an officer informed Audrey

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Speaker 1: Her name Jessica.

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Speaker 2: I got a message from a cop in New Orleans

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Speaker 3: She had information.

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Speaker 2: I read the message from her, and she wanted me

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Speaker 3: This is just some fake person.

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Speaker 2: I ended up calling her anyway, and I found out

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Speaker 2: that she had a run in with Justin at the

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Speaker 4: You came in very quickly, so it caught my attention,

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Speaker 4: and he said, while you really reminded me of my wife,

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Speaker 4: she just committed suicide. But tried telling the New Orleans

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Speaker 4: Police Department that in twenty six years of bartending, I've

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Speaker 1: The late Anthony Bourdain once said, New Orleans is quote

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Speaker 1: describing it. You can't compare it to anything, end quote.

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Speaker 1: Everything in this city has a history, a uniqueness, a story.

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Speaker 1: You never know where a day in New Orleans will

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Speaker 1: Upon entering, we're immediately hit with the aroma of freshly

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Speaker 1: immaculate and colorfully decorated. Our reason for being here isn't

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Speaker 1: just a week after Jessica's Corner's report was released, another

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Speaker 1: woman named Jessica or Jessica Vee as we'll call her,

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Speaker 1: supposedly had an unforgettable encounter with Justin Derning in this

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Speaker 3: Do you think both have.

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Speaker 1: Been in the service industry for a long time, so

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Speaker 4: I've interacted with strangers my whole life and my jobs,

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Speaker 6: The whole thing was such a mind fuct to be honest, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I just thought it was all bullshit until I was

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Speaker 1: Todd and I sat down with both Jessica, Vee, and

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Speaker 6: So me and jess had planned to hang out after

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Speaker 6: But right away I was like, please, don't talk to

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Speaker 4: He started walking towards us and immediately asked us about

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Speaker 4: what he said. I responded, and I said, oh, hey, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: Justin was not out of sorts. She says. She noticed

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Speaker 4: Then when he mentioned the death and he was saying

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Speaker 4: He's like, you look about her size. I have all

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Speaker 4: I have her hope chest, I have all of her clothes.

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Speaker 4: They're all designer, they're all amazing, they're all expensive.

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Speaker 6: It just went from like I said, a stranger walking

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Speaker 6: I mean, it just went so gross really fast. When

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Speaker 6: come get all my dead wife's things. But then it

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Speaker 6: It was a whirlwind for sure.

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Speaker 1: At this point, Jessica Vee says she pretty much quit

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Speaker 4: It starts with his personal information at the top. It's

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Speaker 4: says Justin Durning. It gives his address, it says Grace daughter.

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Speaker 4: to give me of Jessica's purses, Kate Spade, Betsy Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Jessica Vee was eager to get out of there, so

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Speaker 1: After leaving the restaurant, Jessica V and Nate, still reeling

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Speaker 3: This was a big story in New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: We'd all heard about Jessica, but we didn't know the

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Speaker 4: We've read the stories that he doesn't appear to be

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Speaker 4: family that's in the media, not him. That he had

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Speaker 3: Once I found out who he was.

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of what kept nagging at me till

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Speaker 4: She said, Oh, my god, I probably shouldn't be telling

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Speaker 4: This is January and this has been since Oko so yes,

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Speaker 4: So that was very distressing for me to hear. She

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Speaker 4: She was reading parts of the note about the questions

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Speaker 4: She prepared all this paperwork and made a copy of

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Speaker 4: Like, at this point, I feel really bad if I

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Speaker 1: While speaking with the officer, Jessica Vie was very direct

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Speaker 4: I said the same things to him that I'd said

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Speaker 4: In twenty six years of bartending, I've met a lot

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Speaker 4: It made me feel good that I didn't live in

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Speaker 4: I would have gotten and started talking about the corner

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Speaker 4: me if something happens to me. I don't have to

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Speaker 4: be scared about it. I don't need their help I

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Speaker 4: about him turning up at my work, which that's lesser.

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Speaker 4: That's still a lesser fear to me than talking about

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Speaker 4: the Corners Office the police Department saying these things that

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Speaker 4: was super upsetting that these are the professionals that were

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Speaker 6: I think the New Orleans Police Department needs to take

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Speaker 6: because we love to have a good time and love

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Speaker 1: And that accountability applies to law enforcement just as much

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Speaker 4: I mean, I got very invested in there'd be in

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Speaker 4: some resolution for them, because it was heartbreaking to talk

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Speaker 4: to Audra. My sister, Jennifer is my best friend in

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Speaker 4: and I can't imagine being in there she is. I

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Speaker 3: I any of them, Yeah, I don't. I cannot. I

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Speaker 4: And again, my interactions at the corner and with the

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Speaker 3: I just had a lama heart broke for.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I just hope the family knows and everyone that's been

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Speaker 4: She seems to have been a really kind person with

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Speaker 3: Somebody killed her.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's really clear to everybody.

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Speaker 5: She told me about it to some degree before they

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Speaker 5: Maybe the spark was gone. They spend too much time together,

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