Speaker 1: Before we jump in, we must warn you this episode
Speaker 1: contains explicit content, such as sexual abuse that may be
Speaker 1: disturbing to some people. Listener discretion is advised. Also, if
Speaker 1: this is the first time you are listening to Sacred Scandal,
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Speaker 1: with episode one. Night has just fallen on November third,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty in Gua Lajara, Mexico, and Silvia Rosco, a
Speaker 1: thirty year old white eyed beauty, is home making dinner
Speaker 1: for her family. Sevia lived in Hermosa Provincia just to
Speaker 1: block away from the apostles Casa Grande. Her home is
Speaker 1: so close to La Luzel Mundo's Grand temple that at night,
Speaker 1: its neon floodlights bathe her house in purple, blue and
Speaker 1: yellow Ermosa Provincia is a close knit community where only
Speaker 1: l LDN believers are allowed free rein. If someone who
Speaker 1: doesn't belong tries to enter, they're quickly approached by friendly
Speaker 1: but firm members who insist on guiding the visitors around
Speaker 1: until they leave. But this November night, nobody seemed to
Speaker 1: stop the arm stranger that barged into Sybia's kitchen. The
Speaker 1: man shot her four times with nine millimere bullets, then
Speaker 1: quickly made his escape, jumping into a convoy of two
Speaker 1: vehicles waiting right outside. Sybia was dead before she hit
Speaker 1: the kitchen floor.
Speaker 2: In front of the people of her mother, in front
Speaker 2: of her siblings.
Speaker 1: This is royled Silva, a former deacon of the church.
Speaker 1: Syba was killed in front of her siblings, her mother,
Speaker 1: and her three year old son, who all came running
Speaker 1: when they heard the door being busted open.
Speaker 2: In front of the witnesses around the Colonial Massa Provincia
Speaker 2: and the one of the main streets there.
Speaker 1: Despite the multiple witnesses and security camera footage showing the
Speaker 1: hitman's cars rushing out of Armazza Provincia through streets filled
Speaker 1: with people, officially, nobody seems to know who Cyba's killer.
Speaker 2: It might be ask for a copy of the denouncers
Speaker 2: against that horrific act of a killing of a girl
Speaker 2: one block away from the temple. They don't give you anything.
Speaker 2: There's nothing there, there's no records.
Speaker 1: Who el knows this because he went to Hallisko's District
Speaker 1: attorney's office himself, demanding to see if any progress had
Speaker 1: been made on the investigation.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you because we went to investigate. Can we
Speaker 2: have a copy of the denounce or the declarations? No,
Speaker 2: the case is closed.
Speaker 1: Almost three years later, Seba's killer remains at large, but
Speaker 1: theories abound as to who might have ordered a hit
Speaker 1: and what someone might have wanted her dead. I'm Robert
Speaker 1: de Garza and you're listening to Sacred Scandal season two.
Speaker 1: This is episode five. Silence of the Land. The neighborhood
Speaker 1: of her Mosa Provincia, the fable city that lldm's first
Speaker 1: apostle founded way back in the nineteen fifties, is like
Speaker 1: a city inside a city. Unlike the boisterous streets of
Speaker 1: the rest of Alajara, El Moosa Province is quaint and orderly,
Speaker 1: a small, working class neighborhood of about five thousand people
Speaker 1: that's totally self contained. It has its own schools, a
Speaker 1: post office, hospital, and market, and everyone who lives there
Speaker 1: belongs to and believes in ell DM. We sent her correspondent,
Speaker 1: Florenzia Flores to interview its residence, and all of them
Speaker 1: beamed about how safe and happy they felt there.
Speaker 3: With come most Amuitter and Quillolo Migno.
Speaker 1: He indifferent, A woman named Maggie says it's nice and quiet.
Speaker 1: Other places in Guaalajara are more dangerous, but here it's
Speaker 1: more secure and peaceful, she says. Another man we spoke
Speaker 1: with emphasize how he can walk around safely at night.
Speaker 1: I think he would never think to do in other
Speaker 1: parts of the city.
Speaker 2: Aquila Provincia, Aula Unona, La Cinquo, Lamaiana, in Oleon Tons,
Speaker 2: las Quature, Lamaiana Ivmosal Temples, Saviano.
Speaker 1: Another man talks about the harmony of the neighborhood, saying,
Speaker 1: we all share with each other, we all help each other.
Speaker 1: We're a community.
Speaker 4: Luardun day much armonia, tololos, ermanos, passan nosa yuramos and
Speaker 4: tretolos suna communida.
Speaker 1: Entitl nit ter Mossa Provincia. Everyone watches everyone else. A
Speaker 1: block from Sibia's residence is the Casa Grande, where the
Speaker 1: apostle and his family live. That home is guarded twenty
Speaker 1: four seven by armed men, a mixture of policemen and
Speaker 1: ldm's own security core, and yet no guards reacted to
Speaker 1: the rare sound of gunshots right at their doorstep.
Speaker 4: Ola Migos Carlos and rees.
Speaker 1: This is with Carlos Reyes, a YouTuber and former l
Speaker 1: ld M member who uses his channel to track and
Speaker 1: comment on what's going on in la Us del Mundoland.
Speaker 4: Then Estadia or the Statar de vea com partim video
Speaker 4: constelles Pa Personas caestaa bi segondel Casto de Sibia.
Speaker 1: There is a huge community of people online who talk
Speaker 1: and share news about l l d M. Some are
Speaker 1: former LEDM members, some are just curious. Louis's YouTube channel
Speaker 1: has fifty three thousand subscribers, and this video of him
Speaker 1: analyzing the security footage from outside Ceva's house has over
Speaker 1: eight thousand views.
Speaker 4: Sevidentia phisica in i Loel Prestaky por quayose kel Membros
Speaker 4: Lord Lider Last Run.
Speaker 1: The video is black and white. There is no sound.
Speaker 1: The camera is nestled behind some leaves, but you can
Speaker 1: clearly see the street outside Civa's house. The video is
Speaker 1: time stamped November third, twenty twenty. There are two people
Speaker 1: sitting at a table across from her house, perhaps selling something.
Speaker 1: The street is calm, then a flurry of activity. Louis
Speaker 1: plays the video in full, he rewinds it and plays
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 4: Corindo a qui tank corindo purquestan corrindo esteva kami ona korremia.
Speaker 1: We see people running, he says. They are getting out
Speaker 1: of the way, afraid of something.
Speaker 4: Or what illego passaes to those autos or no blancos
Speaker 4: to a squirrel.
Speaker 1: Louis points out two moving cars, first a white one
Speaker 1: and then one that appears to be dark gray. The
Speaker 1: cars swerve in from around the corner and then speed
Speaker 1: down the street. Just before the cars emerge, two men
Speaker 1: turn the same corner. They look back, see something and
Speaker 1: start to run. All at once. There's people on the
Speaker 1: mostly empty street, about five or six. It looks like
Speaker 1: neighbors rushing in to see what happened. As the cars
Speaker 1: speed by, they duck out of the way as fast
Speaker 1: as they can.
Speaker 4: Person personas or yer on algo on mirar cosas.
Speaker 1: Seven, the people who were there. Louis says, all of
Speaker 1: these people hurt something, saw something, that's why they're running.
Speaker 1: They're walking and then they start running. What did you hear?
Speaker 4: Louise asks, cares the ken sons altos kens altos.
Speaker 1: What happened? And whose cars are these? Does anyone recognize
Speaker 1: the cars?
Speaker 4: Youa Mexico, and it's a skuys that are Mosa Provincia,
Speaker 4: you know, luar Asika.
Speaker 1: He ends the video with a plea to those who
Speaker 1: still live in Ramasa Provincia. I don't know, my friends,
Speaker 1: what's happening there in Mexico, in the streets of Armaza Provincia.
Speaker 1: I don't live there anymore. I don't know the place
Speaker 1: as well as the people who live there now. But
Speaker 1: those who are watching this video or those who can
Speaker 1: remember that night, they can give a lot of information.
Speaker 4: Sperd alas persona, do you live in Dia.
Speaker 1: When Sibia's murder happened, there were numerous witnesses. Her family
Speaker 1: saw it all from inside the house, and the people
Speaker 1: outside on the street saw the killers or at least
Speaker 1: what appeared to be their cars, fleeing the scene. And
Speaker 1: yet when the police arrived to investigate, no one came
Speaker 1: forward with information about the cars or the shurer. It
Speaker 1: was a deafening collective silence. When we return ledm's official response.
Speaker 1: Shortly after Sibia's death, LEDM posted a video on their
Speaker 1: official Facebook page. The English title translates to pronouncements regarding
Speaker 1: the femicide of Sibia or Rosco.
Speaker 5: Allegria Buenas, then too Sitola in Las Alida.
Speaker 1: The video shows four women sitting at a long conference table.
Speaker 1: Behind them is a perfectly framed view of the Grand Temple.
Speaker 1: All are wearing ld m's modest clothes, little to no makeup,
Speaker 1: long skirts and high necklines. Masks cover their faces because
Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty and COVID is still raging. Each woman
Speaker 1: takes off her mask as she speaks, we.
Speaker 5: Were nastas av la masprofunga in thegnaccher.
Speaker 1: The first three speak about the church, but how ELDM
Speaker 1: works to promote gender equality and how the safest place
Speaker 1: for women believers is in the sisterhood of the church, the.
Speaker 5: Vista el maes professor La.
Speaker 1: The last woman to speak is Sibia's mother, Dalila ares.
Speaker 5: Mi nombres levanto paral sarmi bos.
Speaker 1: In dark sunglasses with her hair slicked back. Delila says
Speaker 1: she did not bring a speech. She brings only pain.
Speaker 5: Linias scritas, madre telaforma masquerel in Masco Barde the politicister
Speaker 5: and diamartes in Torona casso casa.
Speaker 1: She says, I don't have any written lines. I have
Speaker 1: the soft voice of a three year old boy whose
Speaker 1: mother was snatched from him in the cruelest way. On Tuesday,
Speaker 1: they truspassed into my house, into my kitchen and gone
Speaker 1: down my daughter.
Speaker 5: Jovi cuomo esta persona persona.
Speaker 1: I saw how that person, if you can call them
Speaker 1: a person, loaded my daughter with bullets. Dalila says, I
Speaker 1: saw him with my own eyes. I saw her body
Speaker 1: lying on the floor, covered in blood. I can't keep quiet.
Speaker 1: I demand the authorities do their job. Dalida goes on
Speaker 1: to say she has filed the complaint with authorities and
Speaker 1: says she wants to ask no, to demand that they
Speaker 1: do not let this go unpunished.
Speaker 5: Do you see whoes.
Speaker 1: Jo solo pidok the lord. There's raw pain in Dalila's voice.
Speaker 1: She lists the politicians she's spoken with, all of whom
Speaker 1: she says were kind and pledged to help her.
Speaker 5: Youes Al Senor Alfaro.
Speaker 1: But one months later, Oil Silva went to the district
Speaker 1: attorney's office to find answers. There was no trace of
Speaker 1: any collected evidence, no files on Sybia to be found.
Speaker 1: The case's official status is unknown, but for all practical purposes,
Speaker 1: it seems very much as dead as sibia Rosco. As
Speaker 1: we know from Moyses Padilla's case against the church in
Speaker 1: episode two, it's not uncommon for evidence to go missing
Speaker 1: or paperwork to get lost when it's related to lldm's wrongdoings.
Speaker 1: Oil says he had a friend who used to do
Speaker 1: this kind of dirty work for the church.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a friend that wished to be the
Speaker 2: lawyer of Samuel, one of the lawyers, and I knew
Speaker 2: he went in Mexico wa Allajara. He went to the judge,
Speaker 2: you know, with the judges and where all the paperwork
Speaker 2: is done, pay the employees, and bring disappeared the copies everything.
Speaker 1: Paying off authorities to make sure paperwork goes missing is
Speaker 1: not the only method l l DM has to make
Speaker 1: its problems go away. The church has carefully cultivated deep
Speaker 1: connections with the government and the police, both at the
Speaker 1: state and federal level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a salary in the pay roll of
Speaker 2: the state police.
Speaker 1: Earlier in this episode we mentioned the apostle has armed
Speaker 1: guards constantly patrolling his house.
Speaker 2: There was two levels there in Guadalajara. The first one
Speaker 2: was the one that was guardian all the time his house,
Speaker 2: and the Casa Grande and they were always a minimum
Speaker 2: force right there every day.
Speaker 1: But Royle says there are two levels of armed guards
Speaker 1: used by l LEDM. One is the private guard for
Speaker 1: the apostle, and the other is a civil force used
Speaker 1: to keep the peace in the community.
Speaker 2: And there was another one that was like a civil
Speaker 2: force to take care of the security of the Hermosa provincia.
Speaker 2: In general, you know to the members to keep the
Speaker 2: pace and keep the order during celebrations.
Speaker 1: Armed private guards are not common in Mexico. They are
Speaker 1: reserved only for the very rich, the very powerful, or
Speaker 1: the very criminal. Legally, no one can carry a firearm
Speaker 1: without a special permit. That permit has to come from
Speaker 1: the army and it's extremely difficult to get a.
Speaker 2: Jose and is protectorisos in Algunos, cassos los cassavancanos.
Speaker 6: They were like bodyguards, but they were volunteers in some
Speaker 6: cases those who were close to him. The job was
Speaker 6: to guard and escort. These were highly trained people who
Speaker 6: were well prepared. They had defensive training, I guess like
Speaker 6: general weapons training.
Speaker 1: This is Shadimgu's man. He worked as a political liaison
Speaker 1: for LDM in Ensenada. He knows the backroom dealings between
Speaker 1: an LDM and Mexico's politician and police force. Says very well,
Speaker 1: he interacted with members of the Apostles security detail regularly.
Speaker 3: Do you think have you persona theonomic constance? Have you persona.
Speaker 6: See there was a person I mean, I don't know
Speaker 6: him myself. There was a person who was a former
Speaker 6: militia soldier. He told me about it. They were comrades
Speaker 6: in the militia. The other man introducing himself to the church.
Speaker 6: He meets a girl, they get married, and he begins
Speaker 6: to give them security training.
Speaker 1: So this one former military guy basically trained the rest
Speaker 1: of the Apostles Armed Guards, and he was not the
Speaker 1: first one. Since Aaron's military days, l LM's guards have
Speaker 1: remained very cozy with Mexico's armed forces.
Speaker 3: I hinti Castamostros said, persona.
Speaker 6: There are people that become trainers and have even shown
Speaker 6: the credentials they've been trained to train others. Because there's
Speaker 6: a part of the guard that works as policemen. It's
Speaker 6: an area called civil protection, but they also act like
Speaker 6: an internal paramilitary with different functions. It's in their name,
Speaker 6: but they act as another secret guard. Alodia members are
Speaker 6: forbidden to be policemen or soldiers, but that restriction seems
Speaker 6: to be over now.
Speaker 1: They all belong to this entity inside LDM called Civil Protection,
Speaker 1: but unofficially the ones that guard the Joaquins twenty four
Speaker 1: seven form a special unit of hardcore followers called the
Speaker 1: Guards of Herico. LDM denies the existence of such a group,
Speaker 1: yet there they stand at all hours, armed and vigilant
Speaker 1: for all to see at the door of the Casagrande
Speaker 1: or whatever. The Apostles family can be found, but is sooneriapari.
Speaker 6: They are basically an internal paramilitary group under the guise
Speaker 6: of civil protection that have different functions. I mean, the
Speaker 6: name says it all, but secretly there is a group
Speaker 6: beyond that cover that is prepared for anything. Los Samuel,
Speaker 6: those who protected Samuel. They were people who were prepared
Speaker 6: to kill. How do you explain that an Apostle of
Speaker 6: God used armored cars.
Speaker 1: These guards, true believers, are there to protect the Apostle
Speaker 1: and his family by whatever means necessary.
Speaker 2: In his closed group of guards, we call it de Warudas.
Speaker 2: There were some extreme people there, you know, some of them.
Speaker 2: They they would go after a guy that talk bad
Speaker 2: about the apostle and beat him you know, or or else.
Speaker 1: According to former pastor Rector Vera, these guards are not
Speaker 1: just highly trained, they can be lethal.
Speaker 7: La Familia Juaquin is poderosa, is extempro t hiros port, garulas, grups, garuas,
Speaker 7: Mandan Golbierre, Mandan Matar.
Speaker 1: The Juaquin family is powerful. It's true. It is no
Speaker 1: wonder they need to be protected by loyal guards. But
Speaker 1: according to Ector, these guards ordered biddings. They ordered killings,
Speaker 1: and he names the case of Sibi Rosco or the.
Speaker 7: Cia Rosco in Temple der Moosa Provincia.
Speaker 1: So we know there's two levels of guards, one that
Speaker 1: patrols the streets of Armasa Provincia, keeping the peace on
Speaker 1: the streets, and a special, elite, more extreme force assigned
Speaker 1: to do the royal family's biddings. We know from Shariman
Speaker 1: Joel that these guards a trained by members of the
Speaker 1: Mexican military. Some are even alleged to be active policemen,
Speaker 1: and we know from Moys's attempted murder in episode two
Speaker 1: that when all else fails, LLDM is quite capable of
Speaker 1: having them or the Federalists at their service make the
Speaker 1: church's problems go away, but Moises was actively trying to
Speaker 1: discredit ll DM by launching a public campaign against its
Speaker 1: many abuses. Sybia, on the other hand, what just a
Speaker 1: thirty something single mother living with her parents in her
Speaker 1: Mosa provincia. No one has any evidence to prove the Joaquins,
Speaker 1: the Garcias, or any other member of the church order
Speaker 1: their goons to kill Seba, and yet Sybia didn't really
Speaker 1: have a life outside l DM. The circumstances around her
Speaker 1: murder suggest foul play. She was marked for death, so
Speaker 1: we must ask what threat did Sevia pose? What did
Speaker 1: Seba know that was so important, so much so that
Speaker 1: the only solution was to keep her permanently quiet. That's
Speaker 1: next after the break. One of the last posts on
Speaker 1: Sibioosco social media reads nuncayil cielo porkenos como In English,
Speaker 1: it means I'll never get to heaven because I don't
Speaker 1: know how. It was posted just a month almost to
Speaker 1: the date before her death. Below the caption is a
Speaker 1: selfie of her looking glamorous sort of badass, ripped jeans,
Speaker 1: pig seventies rock star style sunglasses, her black hair in
Speaker 1: a bob not exactly leddm's approved aesthetic. It's easy to
Speaker 1: read into a caption like that, as if she might
Speaker 1: have known death was coming. It's about Heaven, sure, but
Speaker 1: it's in a playful, bad girl language. Posts on her
Speaker 1: Facebook tell a slightly different story. On March twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: eight months before her death, she posted revenge is a
Speaker 1: dish best served cold, along with a grinning emoji and
Speaker 1: a picture of a woman at a protest holding a
Speaker 1: sign that said, why shut up if I was born screaming.
Speaker 1: Before twenty twenty, Sybia's Facebook posts were more of the
Speaker 1: live Love, laugh variety. There's pictures of her pregnant belly,
Speaker 1: a Christmas tree, and her father with the caption fullhouse,
Speaker 1: Happy Heart, and a photo of a champagne bottle ante
Speaker 1: amos spelled out in rose petals on a hotel bed
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day. But something happened in the spring of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty that caused her to start posting threats on
Speaker 1: her Facebook page. That something was a bad breakup. Sybia
Speaker 1: had been in a long time relationship with celeem Garcia.
Speaker 1: We've met him before. He's the man you heard last episode,
Speaker 1: vehemently denying Sochil Martin's involvement with ld M and insisting
Speaker 1: the church had no knowledge of her on an interview
Speaker 1: with the news group Millennium.
Speaker 8: Laes personal persona the Cocamos complete.
Speaker 1: Cilem is ld m's official spokesperson. His main responsibilities are
Speaker 1: keeping l d m's ugly truths from coming out, offering
Speaker 1: empty words to the press, and maintaining an externally published image,
Speaker 1: and he does his job very well.
Speaker 8: LUs del Mundo s Elem Garcia solo replica in companion
Speaker 8: in the studios Lembeni, which so addresses Alejandro Mona notiz.
Speaker 1: Here he is defending Nasson's innocence on Millenniu.
Speaker 8: Like lesla luzer Mundo kine plena Confianza and naves and
Speaker 8: alisaros los falsos sennel amientos de los Cazi, lukeeto e
Speaker 8: la posto le esuk.
Speaker 1: Celeem isn't just lldm's official spokesperson. He's also the son
Speaker 1: of one of the big shod bishops of the church,
Speaker 1: Hilberto Garcia, the money maker, the deal breaker, the preacher
Speaker 1: who gave the speech that sealed the deal for Nassan
Speaker 1: to become the apostle. Right after some Moel passed away.
Speaker 1: Selim Garcia is the rumored father of Sebia's three year
Speaker 1: old son, the son who witnessed his mother gone down
Speaker 1: right in front of him. After Sybia's murder, Celim was
Speaker 1: conspicuously absent from all official ldm's declarations around her death.
Speaker 1: In fact, since that tragic November day, his usually abandoned
Speaker 1: media appearances dropped to almost zero, which is odd because
Speaker 1: Sibia's murder also coincided with Nasson's trial hitting up. You'd
Speaker 1: think Seleem would have a lot to say.
Speaker 9: Religious leaders are supposed to have the best interests of
Speaker 9: their followers and congregations in mind. Officials say that is
Speaker 9: not with the leader how the Light of the World
Speaker 9: Church was doing. Instead, they say he was abusing his
Speaker 9: position of power, taking advantage of people, families, and young
Speaker 9: children for his own sexual desires.
Speaker 1: In the class, Seleem was fifteen years Sibia senior and
Speaker 1: married to another woman, but Sibia had been Sillem's lover
Speaker 1: since she was a teenager. A gift from the Apostle
Speaker 1: to the loyal Garcia family. Sibia used to serve sam
Speaker 1: Oil and then Nason right before she was passed on
Speaker 1: to Hilberto and Seleem, and.
Speaker 2: She was my niece.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is hoile again. We heard him
Speaker 1: describe Sybia's killing earlier in this episode before leaving the church.
Speaker 1: He was close to Sybia and her family. Oil and
Speaker 1: Sybia come from a multi generational Ledm family, a family
Speaker 1: whose members know the ins and outs of the church
Speaker 1: it's inner workings better than most. They were very close
Speaker 1: to the apostles, their power and their secrets.
Speaker 2: But this girl was also a helper for Samuel in
Speaker 2: one time, and then she was passed to Nason and
Speaker 2: another time, and then Nason released her from his service
Speaker 2: and passes to help Sealem.
Speaker 1: Of course, Sileem does not officially acknowledge Sibia's son as his.
Speaker 1: We do not know what caused it to break up.
Speaker 1: All we have is a timeline from Sybia's Facebook the
Speaker 1: happy posts and then shortly after Valentine's Day twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: the angry posts about revenge being a dish best sef, cold,
Speaker 1: a jilted and mistreated lover with a lot of intimate
Speaker 1: knowledge about where La DM's bones are buried. That's something
Speaker 1: that would scare even an apostle of God.
Speaker 2: This lady had a lot of knowledge of the you know,
Speaker 2: the deeds of these people, so when she decided to
Speaker 2: talk about it, they disappear her. So there's many theories
Speaker 2: around there. They did it as an example of all
Speaker 2: the hundreds, if not thousands, of victims in her Mossa
Speaker 2: Provincia in other parts of Mexico.
Speaker 1: Coile has a theory of his own.
Speaker 2: It was a demonstration of power. You put an example
Speaker 2: of her. This is gonna happen if you open your mouth.
Speaker 1: Coyle's theory has to do with the crucial timing of
Speaker 1: the murder. Sebia's assassination went down just as Nasan's trial
Speaker 1: was about to start. Like Sibia, there are many LLDM
Speaker 1: women out there who could do a lot of damage
Speaker 1: if they came forward. After all, they were the ones that,
Speaker 1: in a mixture of fierce loyalty and brutal coercion, did
Speaker 1: most of the apostles dirty work.
Speaker 10: Prosecutor say, the Apostle, for all all his religious glory,
Speaker 10: has always had women in the church who helped to
Speaker 10: recruit and groom young girls in their teens for him
Speaker 10: to abuse and rape.
Speaker 1: That's next on Sacred scandal. Sacred Scandala Uzel Mundo is
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