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Speaker 4: Man, this is tough. This is tough, guys. Let's get
Speaker 4: into it. This is tough.
Speaker 3: Hey, we lovely.
Speaker 2: So if we go back here, we look at the
Speaker 2: predictions we made. Uh Church, you had it. You have
Speaker 2: Philly winning twenty seven twenty one.
Speaker 3: Oh damn yeah. I thought I was in the thirties.
Speaker 3: I thought I had a thirty six to twenty. Yeah you,
Speaker 3: And I was like, man, you think I had thirty
Speaker 3: six to twenty?
Speaker 2: Have more faith than Killer's and heck heck had the
Speaker 2: Cowboys winning.
Speaker 3: But I didn't. I did.
Speaker 4: I told y'all. I told y'all there was no way
Speaker 4: in hell I was gonna pick Philly. Y'all know, I
Speaker 4: mean capable I'm incapable.
Speaker 2: And he was a good thing. I went back and
Speaker 2: right now we look at the picts. Barry, we got six,
Speaker 2: he's got five wins.
Speaker 3: So so it was gonna.
Speaker 4: Be you know, I thought, this is it tonight to
Speaker 4: night where you're gonna get back tonight that night.
Speaker 5: No, that was really not because we all got the rams. O.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta I gotta go back the other way.
Speaker 4: I gotta Oh, I can't do it.
Speaker 3: I can't do it.
Speaker 6: So we.
Speaker 3: Short lived lead, short lived lead.
Speaker 4: D you know, it's all good good, it ain't that
Speaker 4: so all we all tied up. Now we should be.
Speaker 7: That's pretty much right, man, We all tied up. Man,
Speaker 7: it feels good. Hey, it does feel good. Forty nine
Speaker 7: yards of passing. Who you're talking about the whole game too.
Speaker 7: This is not just for far.
Speaker 5: Viewers that you know for some reason, maybe it's on
Speaker 5: a plane or this is not a quarter.
Speaker 3: This is not a series about the game. This is
Speaker 3: an entire game.
Speaker 8: Sixty minutes Cooper Rush forty five forty nine forty five
Speaker 8: forty five year old Tray came in, added four forty
Speaker 8: quatro passing, not one, not too through four Trey passed
Speaker 8: for four yards.
Speaker 5: This is what you this is These are the yards
Speaker 5: that you're putting together with one of the best wide
Speaker 5: receivers International Football League and CD Lamb. This is this
Speaker 5: is what this offense could muster right now. This is
Speaker 5: it's embarrassing.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 5: And y'all saw the game, y'all, y'all, y'all watched it.
Speaker 5: Y'all seen it. It was embarrassing display. Offensive We're getting
Speaker 5: the defense here in a little bit, but offensively, you
Speaker 5: can't be productive if your offensive line has no stability
Speaker 5: in there. They're not playing as a unit. We talked
Speaker 5: about this on the chat. The emergency left tackle, Awesome Richardson,
Speaker 5: I pronounced it his name. He played better in my opinion,
Speaker 5: then the guy at right tackle who was paid big
Speaker 5: money and I'm talking about Terrence.
Speaker 2: Steel and played better than the guy he filled in
Speaker 2: for who was taking the first round.
Speaker 3: This to me is how does that happen? How does
Speaker 3: this happen? In terror?
Speaker 5: Still, this ain't the first display that we've seen from
Speaker 5: mister Steel out there letting the floodgates open, all right.
Speaker 3: He's been on about a three or four game skid.
Speaker 5: Right now, where you look into that right side and
Speaker 5: you're like, man, can't we hold up at all? Can
Speaker 5: we hold up at all? I know Zach Martin, Hall
Speaker 5: of Famer, We get all that he's struggling as well.
Speaker 5: So when you don't have any stability within your officive line,
Speaker 5: your officive line's not playing at a unit, how can
Speaker 5: you be productive? There's no balance, there's no identity to
Speaker 5: this offense. Right now, when I look at it, it's
Speaker 5: just hey, man, it looks like they're just throwing plays
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 3: Man, let's see if this works. Let's see if that works.
Speaker 2: Essentially, you have to so if you can't protect, you
Speaker 2: can't run the ball. Your running backs are if you
Speaker 2: had to give it a grade, you'd say it was
Speaker 2: a C and average group of running backs outside of
Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb. Your receivers are average. And your tight end
Speaker 2: is not playing at the level you thought he would. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's just be honest. He's and maybe you overvalue the
Speaker 2: tight end. So when you say the game plan went back,
Speaker 2: what were you supposed to come up with?
Speaker 5: My thing is, why are we doing five and seven
Speaker 5: step drops? Why are we sitting back there trying to
Speaker 5: do these deep, developing routes When you understand you off
Speaker 5: the line can't protect Cooper.
Speaker 3: That thing should have been out of his head.
Speaker 5: You know who you're going against, these guys, scout the
Speaker 5: Philadelphia Eagles. The Philadelphia Eagles in the past four games
Speaker 5: had seventeen sacks. Are their averaging four sacks a game?
Speaker 5: You know what they bring to the table defensively? Why
Speaker 5: are we not screening here? Screening? There should be no
Speaker 5: five step drops, There should be no deep developing routes
Speaker 5: out there. Every time that man was posted up in
Speaker 5: the pocket, we saw what happened. He was getting hit
Speaker 5: upside his head. I mean, that's exactly what happened. So
Speaker 5: it's just it's just confusing because this is the same
Speaker 5: Cooper Rush who granted off the line was better in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, but he was he was balling, the
Speaker 5: play calls were on point.
Speaker 3: He was getting the ball out of his hands extremely fast.
Speaker 5: It was a confusing, confusing plan to meet offensively in
Speaker 5: this game.
Speaker 4: Look bad game plan and bad quarterback play made everything
Speaker 4: the compound of your eras be blaring those passes. Cooper
Speaker 4: Rush well, from what we've seen from him in his starts,
Speaker 4: the first time you started to see his ball float.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was late.
Speaker 4: He's throwing into traffic, and then it got it got
Speaker 4: to certain points of the game. It's just like we
Speaker 4: can't do anything because this offensive line, obviously, the rhythm
Speaker 4: is none of it works together.
Speaker 3: All right, play action and give vic Vangelo credit. No no,
Speaker 3: no kill less.
Speaker 4: Give Vic Vangilo credit for making a your your backup
Speaker 4: quarterback look less than a backup quarterback because he didn't
Speaker 4: do anything exotic. He was getting pressure with four, he
Speaker 4: was dropping guys in coverage. He covered up everything that
Speaker 4: we wanted to do. Most of the time, when Rush
Speaker 4: was throwing to a guy, he was throwing into traffic.
Speaker 4: Unless it was one of those dump digs or one
Speaker 4: of those out routes all that other slow developing stuff.
Speaker 3: He was throwing that into traffic. Period.
Speaker 4: Guys were not open, and when they were open, the
Speaker 4: ball was late. So he's hitting got some side of
Speaker 4: the head with the ball. And that's what just and
Speaker 4: the thing is, that's what you're supposed to do if
Speaker 4: you are if you are a defensive coordinator in this league.
Speaker 4: That's what you're supposed to do to a backup quarterback.
Speaker 4: Remember we were having an argument about Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 4: remember that talking about Justin Phil Justin Fields and all
Speaker 4: of that, and and everybody was saying, all right, well,
Speaker 4: Justin Filds brings another dimension in Yana da YadA, YadA.
Speaker 4: But what can what can Russ do? He can deliver
Speaker 4: the mail And it was something for everybody else to see.
Speaker 4: He was maybe it was a calf injury. Whatever. You
Speaker 4: got an opportunity to see what the offense looked like
Speaker 4: with Justin in it, and then you got an opportunity
Speaker 4: to see what.
Speaker 3: It looked like with Russ and Big and so we
Speaker 3: picked that.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a distinct it's a distinct difference between
Speaker 4: those two quarterbacks. And you see right now your wide
Speaker 4: receivers are not They weren't creating any separation before.
Speaker 3: Nadamn sure not doing it now.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: And the one thing that you have out there that
Speaker 4: is a threat, you know, Vic Vangiel is gonna take
Speaker 4: that away in any sect, and dairy player was gonna
Speaker 4: be taken away. So that's gonna give you more room
Speaker 4: for guys like Brooks, guys like Tolbert to have an
Speaker 4: impact on the game. When was the last time we
Speaker 4: came back here and said that Brooks, well that Brooks
Speaker 4: Will got them.
Speaker 3: He's just Joe.
Speaker 2: You're correct, But I come back into this, is it
Speaker 2: really fair to ask these guys to be something that
Speaker 2: we at training camp didn't think they were.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm sorry guys, and it this is me.
Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong. But if you get a
Speaker 4: jersey on Sunday and you're one of the one percenters
Speaker 4: to play on Sunday, you gotta be able to do
Speaker 4: your job. We just we just saw the guy Don Dotson.
Speaker 4: Remember he was on the scrap heep. He was done
Speaker 4: but in you first round picked off. But no, absolutely,
Speaker 4: and I'm not trying whether he under performed or whatever
Speaker 4: it is. He looked like he was worth it. To me,
Speaker 4: he was your three. He was your three at resist
Speaker 4: that gave you production. I'll being against a rookie, but
Speaker 4: who else is he in front of me? I better
Speaker 4: win my one on one and he did that. All
Speaker 4: you're asking guys to do is win your matchup at
Speaker 4: least once, or when you match up something get That's it.
Speaker 4: And I don't think that that absolves them. I can't
Speaker 4: give him excuse for that dog. You're not getting it done.
Speaker 4: You're not getting it done.
Speaker 5: And that's before we even dive into this red zone,
Speaker 5: which has been an issue the entire season. Consistently trash
Speaker 5: in the red zone, like you get down there and
Speaker 5: the defense, I think they did enough to get done,
Speaker 5: but ex playing the red zones explained. So the red
Speaker 5: zone twenty yards an end is what they call the
Speaker 5: red zone. That's where if your offense gets down in there,
Speaker 5: you should have a high percentage of getting in the
Speaker 5: end zone, not settling for field goals. And that's what
Speaker 5: we talk about all the time when you go against
Speaker 5: these better teams, whether it's the NFC, AFC, field goals
Speaker 5: aren't gonna cut it.
Speaker 3: You've got to be able to push the ball into
Speaker 3: the end zone.
Speaker 5: And that's something that the Dallas Cowboys have not been
Speaker 5: able to do all season long. So you get down
Speaker 5: to the red zone, two field goals and a fumble,
Speaker 5: and a fumble killed you by you know, one of
Speaker 5: your veteran players killed. You're supposedly short yard That's what
Speaker 5: we all thought he was supposed to come in here
Speaker 5: to do. Beat the short yardage goal line back. We
Speaker 5: talked about Parlor not being able to push it in
Speaker 5: and now we got a guy that we thought, okay,
Speaker 5: at least five yards in, they're gonna be all right.
Speaker 3: They're gonna get the job done.
Speaker 5: Man, he went up in there, and I'm talking about
Speaker 5: Ezequie Elliott went up in here and coughed it up,
Speaker 5: coughed the ball right up, and that was.
Speaker 3: A drivet that you needed. It's just man, when it
Speaker 3: rains and poors.
Speaker 4: Man, that's the most insulting thing to me is the
Speaker 4: red zone deficiencies you could get if all of your struggles,
Speaker 4: everything that you struggle with, if you get down there
Speaker 4: close enough, you should be able to score the football.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look around the NFL and you
Speaker 4: look at the other teams, they find a way. And
Speaker 4: I'm not going to go to the Patrick Mahomess other
Speaker 4: world and teams, but when you get down in the
Speaker 4: red zone game after game after game, the execution has
Speaker 4: to change. I know, as a defense, it's like, look,
Speaker 4: now the spaces are smaller, we don't have to deal with.
Speaker 3: But come on, man, it's the same problem year in
Speaker 3: the year out.
Speaker 4: It just did didn't just start this year, and every
Speaker 4: time we think we're over it, we don't have a
Speaker 4: we don't have a one on one threat in the
Speaker 4: red zone and we can't run it in. And when
Speaker 4: we do, and then when we finally do get an opportunity,
Speaker 4: we fumble it. We fumble it through the end zone
Speaker 4: from a guy that you brought in just for those situations.
Speaker 3: Light just all, you know. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying when I say, when you say
Speaker 4: it rains, it pours.
Speaker 3: Oh like, make that make sense? Two guys?
Speaker 4: I mean, hey, my man, third.
Speaker 3: Don't give it to me. Oh god, I can't see.
Speaker 4: What that's That's what makes it so tough. That's what
Speaker 4: makes it so tough, because I can't. And I've been
Speaker 4: laughing for a day and a half now since Jerry
Speaker 4: said where's the moon?
Speaker 3: Where's the moon?
Speaker 5: You see a ball coming the right like I'm snagging
Speaker 5: it And I apologize later and that was for you,
Speaker 5: but I got it.
Speaker 4: I'm in the ears on my bad, but I got it.
Speaker 4: You who pulls the hands? Nobody, nobody, That must not
Speaker 4: be meant for me? What nobody? Nobody does? Nobody does that,
Speaker 4: damn nobody. And then had I can't see see Samuel
Speaker 4: Porter last name, I did Yeah, he went out there
Speaker 4: and did his thing. I means schoolmaker yesterday. No, I
Speaker 4: didn't see he got a couple have the ball.
Speaker 2: And I go back in that conversation where it was
Speaker 2: said that McCarthy loved the Porter and they thinking about
Speaker 2: taking him in the first round, but they took Mogie
Speaker 2: Smith and said, so your draft that he was Magic
Speaker 2: Smith Brown one make a round two and these two
Speaker 2: guys have just it's another game which they they didn't
Speaker 2: get anything done for you. Meanwhile, the Porter had balling
Speaker 2: the troit and your tight end is unfortunately getting getting
Speaker 2: stripped the ball. And turnover how you turn four fumbles?
Speaker 3: How does how does this?
Speaker 5: It's I don't care how great you play, you lose
Speaker 5: the turnover battle.
Speaker 3: Does that say nine times out of ten you're gonna
Speaker 3: lose the game? Absolutely? And this.
Speaker 4: I mean it got to the point about about his
Speaker 4: past game.
Speaker 3: Special Pisi still won that.
Speaker 5: That was the light of the game for me was
Speaker 5: when my man still got beat off of the edge,
Speaker 5: sack fumble thirty seventeen.
Speaker 4: Just fall on the ball, man, What what you think
Speaker 4: you scoop it up the ball?
Speaker 3: That dad said, let me scoop this up.
Speaker 5: I would go ahead. So not only did he not
Speaker 5: scoop it up, he fell again and the.
Speaker 4: Ball and the ball continuously rolled and guess I picked
Speaker 4: it up somebody from Philadelphia?
Speaker 3: Where do they do this happen? When he ran it's
Speaker 3: been a rough here from mister steel Texas tech guns up. No,
Speaker 3: it's it's been hard.
Speaker 4: It's been it's been hard, man, And I think guys,
Speaker 4: guys are come against it. And that's that's what I said.
Speaker 4: They didn't do anything exotic. They got pressure with four
Speaker 4: and when and when Vangiel wanted to shut the game,
Speaker 4: shut it down. He closed the curtain in the third
Speaker 4: quarter with that sack strip. That was the that was that.
Speaker 3: It's a wrap, it's overwhere, it's over with.
Speaker 4: We bring pressure when we want to, you know, we
Speaker 4: shut this down when we want to. We're gonna let
Speaker 4: you play it between the thirties and then we're gonna
Speaker 4: shut it down on you did They don't give you
Speaker 4: no room. And it was like there was nothing that
Speaker 4: Cooper Rush. There's nothing Cooper Rush could do about that.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying before before we get to the defense,
Speaker 4: and I know we're gonna start talking about that, but
Speaker 4: something needs to be said amount about the amount of
Speaker 4: times teams run on the Cowboys versus the amount of
Speaker 4: times that they throw versus the Cowboys. And these home
Speaker 4: victories and these last couple of losses, I mean, these
Speaker 4: numbers are crazy. Teams are teams in their completions.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. Start of a car, start of a Derek Carr.
Speaker 3: Let's uh, let's get a break.
Speaker 4: Let's get a break to scoop it up. Where you
Speaker 4: going about to do? Where you're going He's about to
Speaker 4: get what are you about to do? You're gonna scoop
Speaker 4: it up and do what?
Speaker 3: Score? What going thought?
Speaker 4: He was there to jump on the ball, bro what
Speaker 4: You're gonna pick up the ball and do what?
Speaker 3: Mary picked it up? What was his plan? After that?
Speaker 3: Returned his mother out?
Speaker 2: Just quit humps them ups?
Speaker 3: Fell again? Man, So Michael Parson made the uh.
Speaker 2: Michael Parson's comments made a lot of a lot of
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Speaker 4: I had better be bobbing and weaving. I know that,
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Speaker 4: Ready, ball, Mike, come on out like that man. Don't
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Speaker 4: I do not want to see that man.
Speaker 2: They really put that in the script battsman on the plane, Yes,
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Speaker 4: Come on, Mike, come on, man, come on, Mike. I
Speaker 4: don't I tell you, I don't. I don't want to see.
Speaker 3: Bobbing the waven What the age.
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Speaker 3: Fight all night, like I need to nap. Ain't gonna
Speaker 3: be no time out.
Speaker 5: This was bad and the fight was postponed because it's
Speaker 5: like a pass on the plane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, might passed out on the plane, bro.
Speaker 3: But he's ready now, ready we go.
Speaker 4: Mike past out on the plane. Yea episode? Ye had
Speaker 4: the episode on the plane, the baddest man on the planet,
Speaker 4: baddest man on the planet. Come on, Mike Man, you
Speaker 4: know you're gonna come into that Tupac. You know what
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Speaker 2: LL cool Jay's I'm Bad. I don't think it was released.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you were born when it was released.
Speaker 3: I wasn't.
Speaker 2: Okay, you weren't born. So that's the guy that was
Speaker 2: the baddest man on the planet. Yeah, okay, that's LL.
Speaker 2: Second album, Yeah I'm Bad, bigger and depthite of the album,
Speaker 2: bigger and definitely followed up Radio.
Speaker 3: I would say, well, I would say was still good. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 5: They were they were the kings of that's how that,
Speaker 5: that's that's the guy you're referencing.
Speaker 3: He ain't that no more.
Speaker 2: And you think that's what we're gonna see Friday night. No,
Speaker 2: those little those videos, social media videos. He looks good,
Speaker 2: he looks good, looks good. I mean, for ten seconds,
Speaker 2: man would knock me out real quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, matter what you think of Jake, let you think
Speaker 2: of him. He is training and he is a professional fighter.
Speaker 2: He's doing this. I've done this long enough to know
Speaker 2: these people like to fight fights.
Speaker 3: They know they can win. For sure.
Speaker 2: Floyd Mayweather's last fifteen fights where it gets nobody was
Speaker 2: gonna beat him, and he pat Connor McGregor in here.
Speaker 3: He thought.
Speaker 4: He did work condor over to you know what, he did,
Speaker 4: beat the besselin. I'm gonna make sure these three four rounds.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you hang. I'm gonna let you I'm
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna let you play get.
Speaker 3: Their money's worth, you know, Okay, play time, it's time
Speaker 3: to go to go guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I told people said Floyd made whether it doesn't fight fights,
Speaker 2: he's not gonna win.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no interest in that fifty, you know why,
Speaker 5: and then we finally fought pack.
Speaker 3: Yeah in back yard was old, but that's older by
Speaker 3: that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, why he waited long enough wash But you see
Speaker 4: how this thame playout, Man, guys, they wait so long
Speaker 4: to the fight. He really has no meaning. Then when
Speaker 4: it first came out. The only the last fight that
Speaker 4: I seen two guys fighting their prime with Sugar Sugar
Speaker 4: Ray Linard and hack and Hackler. Those are the only
Speaker 4: that's the only thing I ever seen two guys fight,
Speaker 4: and the man from Dollars he went prime, but got.
Speaker 3: We got lumped up. They were prime. Somebody was just primer.
Speaker 3: Somebody prim a little bit more prime privately primary.
Speaker 4: That would be that would be Earl down beat the breaks.
Speaker 4: You're right, I would, I would. I wouldn't say it
Speaker 4: would beat the breaks off o the.
Speaker 3: Guy I leave Man.
Speaker 4: Texas already already all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got that work.
Speaker 4: He got the words the last time, even to my
Speaker 4: rematch now player, But then he came up with his
Speaker 4: own set of issues when they came round.
Speaker 3: So he was rematching.
Speaker 2: He was it was supposed to be like quick to
Speaker 2: like oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: He did not.
Speaker 4: He did not honor that rematch clause that he that's
Speaker 4: that's man, sometimes not worth seeing when you get beat
Speaker 4: like that, it's not that's not worth seeing again, it's
Speaker 4: everybody know what the rematch would have been been a
Speaker 4: little bit of the same.
Speaker 5: Keep it moving after that. Yeah, come on, Mike, let
Speaker 5: the check keep moving. Come on, Mike, Mike, let's go.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I just don't hit the campus. That's all.
Speaker 2: I've got a credential for the fights.
Speaker 4: Come on, come on Texas and let us know, man,
Speaker 4: let her let her know what one why they have
Speaker 4: it on a Friday. Ain't doing us like that, man,
Speaker 4: the fight's on a Friday.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I've unfortunately, I've been in this game long enough
Speaker 2: to know and see how it ends. And back when
Speaker 2: I used to work in Los Angeles and we go
Speaker 2: to Vegas all the time. Man, and you see it
Speaker 2: when you see it at the end, it's tough, man,
Speaker 2: It's tough.
Speaker 3: It's tough. Someone see that.
Speaker 6: Those images those there's gonna be some tough images to see.
Speaker 3: If Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2: Roy Jones was hard to watch my boy Sugar Shane Mosley. Man,
Speaker 2: I watched Sugar Shane come up in the game and
Speaker 2: watch him at the end. Man, stop somebody like somebody
Speaker 2: please talk to You're not gonna be able to count
Speaker 2: these five fingers here soon. I mean, you know, at
Speaker 2: a certain point in time, you go in that ring,
Speaker 2: you don't leave it the same thing you brought up
Speaker 2: in there because it gets your body only has so
Speaker 2: many hits.
Speaker 4: And Wilders Wilder's getting like that.
Speaker 6: Don't tell you. Wilder from Alabama's getting like that. And
Speaker 6: the guy from overseas, the black dude, I can't think, Josh, Josh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then when you interviewed Man, you know and La because
Speaker 2: all the all the fighters will always constantly go to
Speaker 2: l A and we'd interview man. It was tough man
Speaker 2: talk to boom boom Man see me one day and
Speaker 2: I'm just sitting there just like nah after a while
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I don't know what he's saying.
Speaker 3: You couldn't put too many licks.
Speaker 6: Boom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was old Eddie Murphy Saturday at Life Skit one
Speaker 2: time when he was talking about he was doing the
Speaker 2: ALLI and it was, you know, it was just like
Speaker 2: man fun out.
Speaker 5: He was like yeah, and it's before the parkings just
Speaker 5: set in. But it's like that's what happens when you
Speaker 5: stay too long, man, stay too long. It's like I
Speaker 5: want to see a brother, stay too long, and you
Speaker 5: see it, guy, I saw.
Speaker 2: I saw Dalo Hoya and Trinidad at the Prime Man.
Speaker 3: It was good stuff. And then another one.
Speaker 5: Oscar used to say, Man, you're not gonna see me
Speaker 5: here this long. I'm not gonna be one of those
Speaker 5: guys that will not be me. I may leave, go
Speaker 5: to architecture school. I'm going I'm not staying here. You
Speaker 5: know what he did, Stay too long, stay too long?
Speaker 5: So like, let we talked to Oscar. Man to Oscar,
Speaker 5: and it's hard man. So that's my thing about Tyson.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're fifty eight man, and and we've seen him.
Speaker 2: Take some Look. We saw Lennox Lewis take him down
Speaker 2: to Memphis, Tennessee, MA. That was sad to watch me.
Speaker 2: It's like we've already seen you go down that road.
Speaker 2: And Jake Paul is not you know this, This ain't
Speaker 2: the second coming of Smoking Joe Fraser or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Or but he can fight enough. So there's gonna be
Speaker 2: for un good luck. It's good marketing. Netflix is going
Speaker 2: get a good number.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I just I just, I just have.
Speaker 2: You just don't want to see you don't want to
Speaker 2: see it in bad. So that's that's just speaking of
Speaker 2: ending bad. It ended bad for the Cowboys yesterday thirty
Speaker 2: four to six in Philadelphia Eagles. And afterwards, Jory Epstein
Speaker 2: had asked Michael Parsons about Mike McCarthy and his feelings
Speaker 2: of the head coach, and and and I know, Georgy,
Speaker 2: Jory's not Jory is not a person who's out here
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, make clicks or things like that.
Speaker 2: You know, she's asking a legitimate question, trying to get
Speaker 2: mikeaeh Mike's opinion on it.
Speaker 3: And this thing blew up.
Speaker 2: On the the morning shows. People went at it pretty
Speaker 2: good about it, and Michael said, you know, it was
Speaker 2: what Georgie said, cool, what do you tell people who
Speaker 2: are wondering if Mike McCarthy will be your coach next year?
Speaker 2: Michael says, cool, that's above my pay grade. If is
Speaker 2: coaching next year, Mike can leave and go wherever he wants.
Speaker 2: The guys I kind of feel bad for the vets
Speaker 2: like Zach Martin, who might be in there last year.
Speaker 3: Or close to it. That's who I want to hold
Speaker 3: the trophy for.
Speaker 2: You want to win games and do big things with
Speaker 2: legends like that, Guys who put in more work and more.
Speaker 3: Time than Mike McCarthy ever did. So.
Speaker 2: Rex Ryan went off on him on the ESPN. Damian
Speaker 2: Woody went off on him on ESPN. There are Clarence
Speaker 2: Hill of all the Al City Dallas says it was
Speaker 2: taken out of context.
Speaker 3: Jane Slater says, Michael didn't mean it that way. That
Speaker 3: was what he said. Just how how's that out of
Speaker 3: contest where you don't mean what he said.
Speaker 5: This guy has put in more work than Mike McCarthy
Speaker 5: has ever done, not you know, since he's been a cowboy,
Speaker 5: then he's ever done. Which we're talking about a coach
Speaker 5: that's been to the to the Mountaintops, Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Champ Here's James Slader NFL media call me crazy, but
Speaker 2: I've listened to the Michael Parsons interview a few times.
Speaker 2: Michael will always say what's on his mind, and sometimes
Speaker 2: it's too much. But I don't think he meant the
Speaker 2: Mike thing the way it's being portrayed.
Speaker 3: I think he meant Martin's career.
Speaker 2: Like so many who are drafted and developed in Dallas
Speaker 2: haven't seen the success their work deserved after years with
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, But McCarthy, having only been here five years,
Speaker 2: can ultimately find another job next season and keep chasing trophies.
Speaker 2: Is it the right thing to say? Question Mark? Probably not.
Speaker 2: Did it help the situation?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Does he love Mike, no idea.
Speaker 2: But I don't think he was telling him to pack
Speaker 2: his bags to the media the way the Saints players
Speaker 2: recently did with Dennis Allen.
Speaker 3: See what I don't understand what that is. How you
Speaker 3: thought that.
Speaker 5: I don't care if you meant it, whatever the case
Speaker 5: may be, it is what you said. And you said
Speaker 5: that that one player has put more work in than
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy has ever done.
Speaker 3: Like that, to me is extremely disrespectful. One. You're supposed
Speaker 3: to be one of the leaders of this team, and.
Speaker 5: He talked about in that interview being the light of
Speaker 5: this team and making sure, you know, keep everybody positive
Speaker 5: and all that other stuff. How can you say that
Speaker 5: in one sentence and then the other sentence throw gasoline
Speaker 5: onto an already smoldering fire, like this is not the
Speaker 5: first time you've said something that's people They maybe have
Speaker 5: taken it out of context, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 5: You're just putting more light on the fact that your
Speaker 5: team is struggling and that your coach is struggling.
Speaker 3: You know, these are conversations that it used to be.
Speaker 5: You know, when you're in the locker room. Stuff don't
Speaker 5: not everything needs to be out about in the media.
Speaker 5: These are these are conversations where you can sit down
Speaker 5: with Mike and have these issues brought up. Say man, hey,
Speaker 5: what can we do to get better on the defensi
Speaker 5: side of the ball? What can we do better to
Speaker 5: get on the offensive.
Speaker 3: Side of the ball.
Speaker 5: Have those conversations with your coach, not with the media.
Speaker 5: And this is just another instance of something and that's
Speaker 5: bringing added distractions for no reason. You talk about the
Speaker 5: McCarthy thing. We talked about the Dak pressnack not being
Speaker 5: in the top five thing, something. I know he's an
Speaker 5: outspoken young man and I get all that, but some
Speaker 5: things need to be held within house. This is something
Speaker 5: that he could have easily he got the cachet. He's
Speaker 5: one of the star players. He could have easily went
Speaker 5: up to MacArthur, went into his office and said, hey, man,
Speaker 5: what's the deal.
Speaker 3: How can we get better, you know, But he didn't.
Speaker 3: He decided to go out there and say that after
Speaker 3: a game, and to me, it's just it's confusing. It's confusing.
Speaker 3: But it's a new day and age.
Speaker 5: But I do feel like what he said was extremely
Speaker 5: disrespectful to Mike.
Speaker 4: Jump in here, man, this sucks. This absolutely is hard.
Speaker 4: Part of it, all of it, all of it. It's
Speaker 4: the it's the interpreting what he said, whether it was
Speaker 4: throwing Mike under the bus or not. Was it his
Speaker 4: answer or was he trying to basically say that Zach
Speaker 4: Martin is a hell of a player that has sacrificed
Speaker 4: everything here in Dallas, and Mike's gonna go somewhere else,
Speaker 4: continue to chase greatness. And he hadn't put in the
Speaker 4: same he hadn't logged the same hours that Zach did.
Speaker 4: That's what's left for interpretation. But what it sounds like
Speaker 4: when it comes off black like, even when you add
Speaker 4: the context of the question to it, it sounds like
Speaker 4: he's throwing his coach under the bus. It sounds like
Speaker 4: he has no regard for Mike when he even when
Speaker 4: he says Mike can go coach somewhere else.
Speaker 3: You know, people got all the way Mike can go coach.
Speaker 3: But Mike is coaching right here, right now.
Speaker 4: That's what he's doing right now, and right now our
Speaker 4: defense is getting killed right now. Our office looks dysfunctional.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, I don't know. I look around
Speaker 4: the league and I say, damn, the Cowboys are not
Speaker 4: the worst team in the league. There are teams that
Speaker 4: are far off worse.
Speaker 3: Than we are.
Speaker 4: Right But every little thing gets blown up to be
Speaker 4: this big ass story about what Michael said about this,
Speaker 4: and that we getting what right now, and all we're
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 3: Is whether Mike McCarthy is put in more work.
Speaker 4: We all know that Mike McCarthy's a Super Bowl winning coach.
Speaker 4: We know Mike doesn't put in his time. Dog he's
Speaker 4: asked the question.
Speaker 2: I mean Jorry Epstein, Yahoo's Sports, who used to work
Speaker 2: here in town the dust when she asked the question,
Speaker 2: and then that's what he did. And I said to you,
Speaker 2: and I was telling Jesse, it's like you brought a
Speaker 2: log to a fire. The seat for Mike is burning hot.
Speaker 2: And when you say that you threw a log on
Speaker 2: there that you didn't need to. When you say what
Speaker 2: you said, no matter how you meant it, because words
Speaker 2: have different meanings as much. And this is a player
Speaker 2: who is praised Dan Quinn at high levels.
Speaker 3: So you think there's okay, we know his love for un.
Speaker 2: When you go and you do it like that, you're
Speaker 2: leaving it for interpretation, and you're leaving it up there
Speaker 2: that you don't have that kind of respect for the coach.
Speaker 2: And you can say however you meant it. But once again,
Speaker 2: you brought a log to a fire that you didn't
Speaker 2: have to. It was already hot. Hey, you know I
Speaker 2: can't speak for my I'm worried about Zach Boom. I'm
Speaker 2: worried about Zach Man. You got too many guys in here.
Speaker 2: I you you didn't have to say that he didn't
Speaker 2: work as hard or do anything as Zach did. I
Speaker 2: think we all can venture and say everybody is trying
Speaker 2: to do the best they can. Coaches, players try to
Speaker 2: do the best they can. You may not like the results,
Speaker 2: but I don't think the man is not.
Speaker 3: Here working, no doubt.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's trying to. You know, Zach Martin
Speaker 2: is a player, and yes, players do put him more
Speaker 2: sweat equit. You know, they put in their sweat they
Speaker 2: put their bodies in there. But you know, anybody, it's
Speaker 2: funny how many guys I know who got into coaching
Speaker 2: got out too much time.
Speaker 3: I want to do this. I want to like the
Speaker 3: hours are crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember one of my budds, he was just coaching
Speaker 2: in college, and he would tell me that, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on in the world. I
Speaker 2: would literally have to tell him about who he's like,
Speaker 2: who won the Grammys, what's the.
Speaker 3: Hit song right now?
Speaker 2: He didn't know anything about politics because he was so
Speaker 2: locked into doing football six days a week and had
Speaker 2: half of a seventh day off And this is just college.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was just a GA.
Speaker 2: Can imagine being a head coach and so they live
Speaker 2: in this bubble. You don't win a Super Bowl like
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy has and do what he's done here three straight,
Speaker 2: three straight, twelve and five seasons before the season, you know,
Speaker 2: only Andy Reid had a better you know, had a
Speaker 2: better regular season mark than Mike. You're not doing that
Speaker 2: if you don't put in some equity. But Micah left
Speaker 2: it for interpretation, and he says he'll address it on
Speaker 2: his podcast. He feels like it was taking out of
Speaker 2: context and so. But yeah, when you have a podcast
Speaker 2: and you know you have people going to want to
Speaker 2: talk to you, you know after games, your words are
Speaker 2: going to have more meaning. Words coming from Michael Parsons
Speaker 2: are going to count a lot more than words that
Speaker 2: are going to come from Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 4: What's sad is what's sad is is that Micah is
Speaker 4: a very young man, very intelligent as well, and I
Speaker 4: just don't think maybe with maturity he'll be able to
Speaker 4: answer questions like that and not leave anything up for question.
Speaker 4: And I think with experience he'll get there and understand
Speaker 4: that everything I say is it could be misconstrued. And
Speaker 4: I got to be better at answering these questions. I
Speaker 4: don't know about you. I don't ever remember any Barry
Speaker 4: Church controversial quotes, but I'm sure you probably wouldn't the
Speaker 4: person to talk to that.
Speaker 3: You know, we're the mic.
Speaker 5: It was so I had, even when I had time
Speaker 5: to think about what I was going to say and
Speaker 5: think about the interview, you know what my words might mean.
Speaker 5: So I was nowhere near the level as far as
Speaker 5: Michael Parsons. After every single game, somebody is in his
Speaker 5: face with the mic. But I just to me, I
Speaker 5: don't understand how did that make anything better?
Speaker 3: And that he started good? He did, and then it
Speaker 3: just went Do.
Speaker 4: You have been in the argument with somebody? You just
Speaker 4: keep on adding more to it and you should just
Speaker 4: walk away. It'd be better to shut up, just keep going.
Speaker 5: And it's like, I don't know how that thinks, because
Speaker 5: now you got multiple players taking shot.
Speaker 3: I said that, Mike, like, how do you are you
Speaker 3: gonna go home.
Speaker 4: Practice without without the without those shots? Without what Michael said,
Speaker 4: I think today Mike would have had equally the amount.
Speaker 4: I mean, that just adds, Like you said, throws the
Speaker 4: log on, But that just adds to it.
Speaker 2: Fires already burning. Man, what you said added a log
Speaker 2: to it. And now you've brought yourself into it. And
Speaker 2: and and of course we now know what happens because Mike,
Speaker 2: Mike's talking today.
Speaker 3: You know we're gonna bring it up. Talk to him.
Speaker 3: Did you hear it? What do you think? How does
Speaker 3: it make you feel? That's that's there?
Speaker 2: And I know McCarthy will say, hey, look, I'm not
Speaker 2: worried about my job.
Speaker 3: This comes with you know, this is a part of it.
Speaker 2: He'll he'll say, all the correct things, and I'll be
Speaker 2: interested to hear what michaelh has to say in his podcast.
Speaker 2: And maybe he didn't mean to have it go a
Speaker 2: certain way because words you have different meanings.
Speaker 3: But right now, what your words did.
Speaker 2: Was allow ESPN to go ahead and make a whole
Speaker 2: cowboy segment on this whole cowboys segment and social media
Speaker 2: that you have to respond to this when there is
Speaker 2: a way when you are a high profile player like him,
Speaker 2: and you're doing podcasting now, so you have to have
Speaker 2: media training and stuff like that where you have to know, hey, man,
Speaker 2: they're going to try to draw you off side. It's
Speaker 2: the same thing that Dak Prescott goes through every week.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady I used to tell people when I covered
Speaker 2: Tray he was the worst time by because we never
Speaker 2: got anything out of him. At some point in time,
Speaker 2: maybe that's the best thing they might about to be
Speaker 2: so boring or you know what, I just tell people.
Speaker 5: You really want the reporters go away, won't leave you long.
Speaker 5: Start quoting the Bible.
Speaker 3: Go do that? Go do that? People? Oh on, moving
Speaker 3: on on that. Then we here so so.
Speaker 2: That that that extra Micah gave Jeory you need to
Speaker 2: give her.
Speaker 3: And so now you're going to have to answer for it.
Speaker 3: And this is this is the sinking ship that it
Speaker 3: is now.
Speaker 5: I mean it's out open now, like the team meeting
Speaker 5: room like it's it's going to be extremely awkward now
Speaker 5: because as players is, we we talked amongst each other
Speaker 5: and you know we but we don't put it out there.
Speaker 3: Now everybody knows.
Speaker 6: What it is.
Speaker 5: And then you know Mike won't walk in. All right, fellas,
Speaker 5: let's bring it together. We got this, that and the
Speaker 5: third Now you're gonna have that's gonna go. That message
Speaker 5: is gonna go in one ear and out to the
Speaker 5: other something because you lose it.
Speaker 3: So they just like at least coaches already on one
Speaker 3: year deals starts.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of guys on this roster on one year.
Speaker 2: Look, Mike McCarthy could very well go get a third job.
Speaker 2: We have seen people in the NFL get the way
Speaker 2: Phillips had a third job, had a third job. I
Speaker 2: mean there's there're guys who will get a third job,
Speaker 2: and having won a super Bowl, that could very well happen.
Speaker 5: But many of these assistant coaches who knows where they'll be.
Speaker 5: You're Al Harris, who knows where al Harris is next year.
Speaker 2: You know that that's that's stuff is out there and
Speaker 2: they've they've got families and it's it's one of those
Speaker 2: where Mike is a leader and these are things that
Speaker 2: you carry and your word, your words do carry away.
Speaker 2: Words matter from certain people.
Speaker 3: That it just does.
Speaker 2: Eric Kendrick says, this man probably not taking it as seriously.
Speaker 2: This is Michael Parsons. Michael Parsons is a very good players.
Speaker 2: We saw this impact yesterday in the football.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. He's nice.
Speaker 6: All right.
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Speaker 5: we already take our last Let's do it.
Speaker 3: We gotta get here, Let's do it. Let's do it. Uh,
Speaker 3: this is uh Dallas Cabacon.
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Speaker 2: this on you. What is a week like this now?
Speaker 2: For the players? It's a three and six football team.
Speaker 5: It's tough, man, Because I was a part of that
Speaker 5: twenty fifteen team in Dallas when we lost four straight
Speaker 5: home games. You know, you knew this season was kind
Speaker 5: of done because Romo had gotten hurt. We were down
Speaker 5: to matt Castle and I think brand Brandon Wheaton, Killer
Speaker 5: Moore was in there at times. And it gets hard, man,
Speaker 5: I ain't. It gets hard to get up every morning,
Speaker 5: like man, I gotta go to practice and you try
Speaker 5: to put on that faith enthusiasm like, yeah, let's go, man,
Speaker 5: we're gonna get this, you know, scout team, Yeah, we
Speaker 5: got a good day of practice. But in the back
Speaker 5: of your mine, you know, man, if we don't play
Speaker 5: a perfect game, if we don't play you know, no penalties,
Speaker 5: no turnovers, we take the ball over.
Speaker 3: That's the only way we got a chance to win. Man.
Speaker 5: It makes it extremely hard, you know, to basically go
Speaker 5: out there and show fight week in and week out,
Speaker 5: knowing nine times out of ten you're gonna take this
Speaker 5: l and right now, that's kind of where the Cowboys are.
Speaker 5: You know, defensively, they played a little bit better these
Speaker 5: past two weeks, but nowhere near good enough to overcome
Speaker 5: the issues that they have offensively.
Speaker 3: So it's tough.
Speaker 5: Man, it's gonna be tough for these for these boys
Speaker 5: to these last couple of weeks to he got some abuse, man.
Speaker 3: All right, well there we go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just being real, man, just being real.
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Speaker 2: a part of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do it tomorrow.
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