Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast are available for virtual parties and
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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan As.
Speaker 1: I come to you from a virtual room filled with heroes,
Speaker 1: some heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, What is up? Boys?
Speaker 1: Was that the loudest that the intro ever was? Yes?
Speaker 1: I believe it was. I was having similar issues to Greg.
Speaker 1: I was. I felt like I was at like, you know,
Speaker 1: like the old Nirvana concert. I went to Springfield Civic
Speaker 1: Center about that loudest concert ever. Um mine was. And
Speaker 1: it's not like some badge of honor like um Greg
Speaker 1: Rosenthal getting to see the great Nirvana. I saw Arrowsmith
Speaker 1: on the Just Push Play Tour two thousand one at
Speaker 1: the p and c Arts Center in Holdale, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I was by a speaker
Speaker 1: or what, but my ears were ringing for a week
Speaker 1: and a half and all that I've ever recovered, I
Speaker 1: blame Joe Perry, Steven Tyler all right to Mark, I
Speaker 1: would imagine maybe a toad the Wet Sprocket concert. Annie
Speaker 1: de Franco, we got um. I did like Annie to Franco.
Speaker 1: I despised tode the wet sprocket. I simply hate Um.
Speaker 1: I think I would have to go with the YouTube.
Speaker 1: Concert we went to was was loud, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: like crushing your ears loud. Um. Maybe Blues Traveler the
Speaker 1: first concert ever went to. And when that harmonica gets
Speaker 1: plugged into a p a, when paper rips and he
Speaker 1: wales here drums pop. Um. All right, welcome to the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. Yes, we are two days removed
Speaker 1: from Championships Sunday. We have a really fun Super Bowl
Speaker 1: matchup coming up in about a week and a half
Speaker 1: of course, between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Plenty of time to talk about that, and we will
Speaker 1: in good time. We got a another show coming up
Speaker 1: on Thursday and then um, two more programs ahead of
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Sunday night. Uh to dig into the nitty
Speaker 1: gritty of the big game. Today, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: other things going on in the NFL. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot cooking right now. And Greg, I mean right off
Speaker 1: the bat, let's let's talk about the biggest store in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Your cameo on today's On the Power Ranking
Speaker 1: Show with me and Matt money Smith. What a performance. Well,
Speaker 1: it was exciting to be invited. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I know Mark was on last week and UM and
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe it'll be at Home and Home Little
Speaker 1: Money on the podcast. Abney, what are you ranking at
Speaker 1: this point? Is it just down to the final two teams?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We just talked about the Buccaneers. There
Speaker 1: was no ranking at least when I was there. We yeah,
Speaker 1: we've reached the point. We're basically just shooting this on
Speaker 1: UM television. So it's actually good though. It's it's fun
Speaker 1: just to talk, all right. A lot to get into it.
Speaker 1: We have a special guest. Speaking of special guests, it's
Speaker 1: been it's been a minute. Kevin Patra coming at you
Speaker 1: to talk about everything that's going around going on around
Speaker 1: his boyhood team, the Detroit Lions. I know Patrick has
Speaker 1: takes to share that's coming up. Before we do that,
Speaker 1: let's check in on the news. There's much to dig into,
Speaker 1: all right. I don't want to look at it there.
Speaker 1: All right, it's time to get to work. Nice. Wow,
Speaker 1: I can't picture right there. I love this picture. That
Speaker 1: sweet but sound you here is Philadelphia Eagles fans cringing
Speaker 1: across the country. I don't know what's going on with
Speaker 1: the Eagles social media account. The Sirianni situation. That was him,
Speaker 1: That was him entering his office. I think that was him. Yes,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't make that clear. Um, I just asked Ricky
Speaker 1: to pull one of the tweets, or they just had
Speaker 1: a someone with their iPhone has Sirianna enters the office.
Speaker 1: I guess that was once Doug Peterson's and he and
Speaker 1: he looks around and somebody randomly says get to work,
Speaker 1: and then he says, oh, that's sweet, and points at
Speaker 1: a bunch of photos. And then they also had photos
Speaker 1: of been walking. Our video of Sirianni walking around the
Speaker 1: Eagles complex not exactly dynamic. They put up online. The
Speaker 1: actual conference call when Jeffrey Lori offers, um, Sirianni the job.
Speaker 1: Just listen to that really quick, because Jeffrey, I'm good.
Speaker 1: How are you great? Well? I kind of kind of
Speaker 1: a big question for you. How would you like to
Speaker 1: be the head coach Eagles? Excited everybody listening here we
Speaker 1: are so incredibly excited for the coach you are, and
Speaker 1: the coach you can be comfortable and everything you bring
Speaker 1: to the best fan base in America is off the charts,
Speaker 1: and we had really good candidates used to it out
Speaker 1: in so many ways, and I can't wait for you
Speaker 1: to join all of us and reach from more long
Speaker 1: Barden trophies, because that's that's what we're going to do.
Speaker 1: And that even felt a little weird to me. I
Speaker 1: know that you're trying to give the people the content, Greg,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure it was. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on with the Eagles right now, the whole operation,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm not alone. Yeah, I feel bad.
Speaker 1: You know, if their social team is is listening, I
Speaker 1: think it's just they're trying to drum up. They're trying
Speaker 1: to draw up some excitement for the Seriani era, and
Speaker 1: it is weird. It's been so long, I feel like
Speaker 1: since the Eagles had a moment like this where not
Speaker 1: only are things seemingly going wrong, but they don't have
Speaker 1: much juice and they're like trying to self generate some
Speaker 1: juice if nothing else. The Eagles have always been one
Speaker 1: of the top teams in juice. I mean, they hired
Speaker 1: a coach with less juice than the one they just fired,
Speaker 1: and he's wandering around the complex and what seemed to
Speaker 1: be loafers. I don't know what was going, but it's
Speaker 1: it's a different world because you're you're any sort of
Speaker 1: like interaction with the media. I mean, is you know
Speaker 1: chest up at this point, you know you're not No
Speaker 1: one seen the bottom of you. But it was not
Speaker 1: a um dynamic opening. Look um, their decision way too
Speaker 1: much startorial um criticism coming from social media. First all,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be saying anything um about the way he dresses.
Speaker 1: We're not known for our style either, but the people
Speaker 1: on Twitter, everyone who's been wearing sweatpants with egg yolk
Speaker 1: on their white T shirt? Uh for twenty hours a day?
Speaker 1: All right? The dark khakis were maybe a little bit wrinkled,
Speaker 1: maybe needed one more pass with the iron. Did the
Speaker 1: shirt match the jacket? Maybe not perfectly? But I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was anything agree just I just thought Sirianna
Speaker 1: getting buried for the way he dressed. Everybody, but ever
Speaker 1: look in the mirror before they make any commentary. I
Speaker 1: hear you. I didn't see all that. I do think
Speaker 1: about this pandemic time because you're describing me the sweatpants
Speaker 1: and the egg yolk The thing that has changed the
Speaker 1: most that will never change back is I I can't
Speaker 1: believe that I would wear like pants or jeans in
Speaker 1: my house, like after I would get home from work
Speaker 1: or back in from the grocery store for like the
Speaker 1: rest of the night, like back in the day. I'm
Speaker 1: never going I'm never happening. It's insane. Wow. I know,
Speaker 1: I yeah, I know a lot of people had already
Speaker 1: done that before. But here's the thing, like it's gonna
Speaker 1: be in a few months. It's like, alright, guys, it's
Speaker 1: real exciting. We're gonna get you back in the office
Speaker 1: setting and you're gonna have your big fancy pants on
Speaker 1: and like your shirts and your ties. It's like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, what, I'm not doing that again. That's where
Speaker 1: I start to have issues when they when you know,
Speaker 1: some loud mouth tells me I gotta roll back into
Speaker 1: some you know end a parking space, and where like
Speaker 1: eighteen different shirts a week forget you. The problem The
Speaker 1: problem is mark that, as much as we'd like it
Speaker 1: not to be the case, there is societal structure that
Speaker 1: God willing pandemic goes away. We we have the choice
Speaker 1: to either fall back in line like good drones or
Speaker 1: take a walk, And I think I might take a walk,
Speaker 1: Like I literally like I have thought a lot about this,
Speaker 1: Like I like there are some good things that have
Speaker 1: come through the pandemic, and big companies are like gonna
Speaker 1: be smart about it, or they're gonna be real clunky
Speaker 1: in old school and make us go back to do everything.
Speaker 1: I have to sit it like my little cubicle typing
Speaker 1: for five hours with like eight people interrupting you. I mean,
Speaker 1: when was the last time you really did that? Anyway,
Speaker 1: seated before mark, We'll see you back and you'll be
Speaker 1: dressed like a good boy. Let's I will not ever
Speaker 1: go back. All right, Let's get into the news, starting
Speaker 1: with the Packers. Let's continue to follow this soap opera.
Speaker 1: I was happy to see and I think we should
Speaker 1: on this podcast. And some people won't embrace this, but
Speaker 1: we embrace need getting rid of needless quote unquote controversies.
Speaker 1: And there was a ton of build up on Sunday
Speaker 1: based on some things that Aaron Rodgers said in his
Speaker 1: press conference that made people think, does Aaron Rodgers want
Speaker 1: out at Green Bay? Calm down? It was it was
Speaker 1: just the way the passion and the how upset. He was,
Speaker 1: and he answered a question in a certain way that
Speaker 1: you could have looked at it as him saying, oh,
Speaker 1: there's mystery, maybe I won't be back. He was always
Speaker 1: gonna be back, and the Packers made that official on
Speaker 1: their end. Well, uh, well close as you can get
Speaker 1: to his official with Packers President and CEO Mark Murphy
Speaker 1: going on um the w NFL in Green Bay and
Speaker 1: having this to say about, uh, Aaron Rodgers and his
Speaker 1: future in Green Bay. There's no way that Aaron is
Speaker 1: not gonna be on the Packers. I mean, he's he is. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the m v P in the league.
Speaker 1: Make have had his best year ever. He's our unquestioned leader.
Speaker 1: And you know, we're not idiots. We're not idiots, Mark
Speaker 1: Murphy says. And then Aaron Rodgers had an appearance on
Speaker 1: The Pat McAfee show, which I haven't watched a lot
Speaker 1: of the Pat McAfee show, I have to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, but I checked it out and I kind
Speaker 1: of like what they're doing over there. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1: I like the of the McAfee show, and obviously get
Speaker 1: a big Fish and Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers talked about well
Speaker 1: you know where he's at. Uh, talked about the game
Speaker 1: itself that the Packers just lost, and also the the
Speaker 1: thoughts he's had about finishing his career. He started to me,
Speaker 1: a reality, not a certainty, for an absolute, is that
Speaker 1: my future is not in my hands. Now, that's really
Speaker 1: the case for all of us. I think it's players,
Speaker 1: But you can't. I think naturally, there's times where you
Speaker 1: let your mind go to maybe I'm gonna be a
Speaker 1: Packer for life, or I'm gonna be you know, uh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like a Tim Duncan or Jeter or
Speaker 1: Kobe and play with one team I'm career. I think
Speaker 1: naturally you dream about that. I mean, that's kind of
Speaker 1: like a dream scenario, and I've talked about that for
Speaker 1: much of my career. I think, you know, when when
Speaker 1: they drafted Jordan, it was more just like the reality
Speaker 1: kicking and going, hey, that's actually never the case. There
Speaker 1: are no absolutes in this business. That seems level headed
Speaker 1: and a good analysis of the situation. Greg by the
Speaker 1: Great Rogers. Yeah, I I really enjoyed listening to the
Speaker 1: entire interview with context, and you know, I think he
Speaker 1: he also said, you know, there's no reason to believe
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be there. I think he was talking about
Speaker 1: that it's out of his hands. But it also doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that some of the speculation for reporting about his
Speaker 1: contractual situation and that that could be um the area
Speaker 1: where they make Aaron Rodgers hole or happy or is
Speaker 1: a big conversation for the next month. I mean that
Speaker 1: that's still to me very much on the table floor.
Speaker 1: You know. Mike Florio, my old boss, you know, had
Speaker 1: a or saying like he wants more money, um, that
Speaker 1: he wants some guaranteed money into the contract Rogers. I think,
Speaker 1: alluding to that said we I haven't talked to anyone,
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't talked to anyone with the Packers
Speaker 1: or or is it. I think he was saying about
Speaker 1: his agent in terms of that um. But it wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me if his agents off doing doing some work
Speaker 1: talking to media sources. It all makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: And I think hearing Mark Murphy like they're gonna do
Speaker 1: what they need to do to make Aaron Rodgers happy,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident in that. I mean, it's like you
Speaker 1: went and drafted a first round quarterback and we can
Speaker 1: package that away as one item and then Aaron Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers goes out and is essentially the m v P
Speaker 1: of the year. I mean, this is someone I think
Speaker 1: that wants to be wanted. Um it's it's I don't
Speaker 1: buy that. It's the polar opposite of him. And far
Speaker 1: way back in the day this is a different situation.
Speaker 1: But there is a young quarterback on the roster, um
Speaker 1: sitting there. And I think that he spoke before the
Speaker 1: year that the future wasn't doubt. And I think this
Speaker 1: is someone that also mentioned about being like a Kobe
Speaker 1: Bryant or a Tim Duncan, who um, you know, you
Speaker 1: entertain the idea of being a packer for life. I
Speaker 1: think that's gonna take to your point, Greg more money.
Speaker 1: And you know, he also made the point, which is
Speaker 1: just true, that you know you want these athletes not
Speaker 1: to just um, you know, dispense soundbites, which we're tired
Speaker 1: of and we're too savvy for. But then when Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers speaks his mind after the game, um, it creates
Speaker 1: the spin cycle of speculation and news and we're forced
Speaker 1: to talk about it. But I think that the end result,
Speaker 1: I think I said I put a nine percent chance
Speaker 1: that he could be on a different team, because if
Speaker 1: he really really wanted to, maybe something happens. But if
Speaker 1: you know, hearing him now and hearing the team in general,
Speaker 1: it's like, I think we can put this thing away hopefully. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: just not the Shawn Watson situation. It's a totally different situation.
Speaker 1: People just got a little bit carried away. Now. I
Speaker 1: am not a guy that counts other people's money. Um,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers wanting to redo his contract? Is there a
Speaker 1: part of you've heard Tom Brady did it once up
Speaker 1: an a time. Instead of giving me more money, bring
Speaker 1: in that extra weapon or two to get me over
Speaker 1: the hump. Maybe that's the way they can work out
Speaker 1: some type of dialogue like how do we get you
Speaker 1: another Super Bowl? Aaron? And is does that? Does that
Speaker 1: put us in the best position tying up more cap
Speaker 1: money with you? But you know, maybe they'd probably lower it,
Speaker 1: and they do them in the in the in the
Speaker 1: short term, I think they would lower it. I think that.
Speaker 1: I think if Rogers is going to have a point
Speaker 1: here in terms of his future being uncertain, is he
Speaker 1: might want just things to be guaranteed because he's gonna
Speaker 1: say I don't want this to be a year to
Speaker 1: year thing. I don't want to feel like this isn't
Speaker 1: gonna be my last year in Green Bay. Will you
Speaker 1: guarantee me money? You know through Let's say that seems
Speaker 1: like probably, you know, two more years and and then
Speaker 1: you lower my cap it, but you're actually giving me
Speaker 1: more money. The Packers, like a lot of teams, more
Speaker 1: than more than most years, are in some cap um.
Speaker 1: You know, issues, if they're really going to lower the
Speaker 1: salary cap twenty million, I don't think we're quite our
Speaker 1: or what's going to happen. But if that actually happens,
Speaker 1: it is kind of a sea change compared to anything
Speaker 1: that's ever happened in the history of the NFL. Teams
Speaker 1: have been preparing for that twenty million dollars to be there,
Speaker 1: and if they really do dial it back that much,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be weird. I mean. The other aspect is,
Speaker 1: like you know, dug in beat writers like Rob Demosk.
Speaker 1: Demoski have said that you know everything that anyone's seen
Speaker 1: from Jordan's love in person, he's just not ready And
Speaker 1: if anything, Tim Boyle would be a starter if Rogers
Speaker 1: weren't there. So it's like you. It just makes no sense.
Speaker 1: There's no bit, there's no secondary plan there. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the thought if you do get into bed further with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and and give him those guarantees doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you're wasting Jordan's love totally. Obviously, it doesn't work out
Speaker 1: ideally because he's on the rookie contract, But the ideas
Speaker 1: you brought him in because you thought he could be
Speaker 1: a top line quarterback is the first round pick if
Speaker 1: you develop him right while you have a great backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: Now that you have an aging Aaron Rodgers entering his
Speaker 1: late thirties, UH drama, drama drama. Speaking of quarterback drama,
Speaker 1: let's checking with the l A. Rams and we know
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh had grown tired with Jared Goff by the
Speaker 1: end of UH this season. The um you know, the
Speaker 1: middling play, the turnovers, and even after he busted his thumb,
Speaker 1: you could tell that McVeigh wasn't looking to make any
Speaker 1: excuses for the former number one overall pick UH and
Speaker 1: refusing to commit him as their quarterback. In one well,
Speaker 1: Rams general manager Less Need had a chance to throw
Speaker 1: some cold water on the speculation around Goff and instead
Speaker 1: he grabbed the kerosene. Uh. He spoke Tuesday and he
Speaker 1: refused to endorse Goff as the starter. In fact, in
Speaker 1: a tweet from Omar Ruiz, Sneed said, Jared Goff is
Speaker 1: a RAM at this moment. Wow, what is going on here?
Speaker 1: It's almost like the Rams have made a conscious decision
Speaker 1: to not put any gray area on this. I mean,
Speaker 1: he could have said outright, Jared Goff is not going
Speaker 1: to be on our team. But that's about as close
Speaker 1: as you can get in football parlance when you say
Speaker 1: he's a he's on the team at the moment. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like I think you know, you all had the
Speaker 1: relationship back in your twenties or something where you began
Speaker 1: to broadcast two friends that a breakup was um imminent,
Speaker 1: maybe before the person you were dating new and it
Speaker 1: just the the energy was out there. And I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys are skilled, um at the art of public relations.
Speaker 1: If if if less Sneed wanted us not to be
Speaker 1: discussing this right now, there would be a lot of
Speaker 1: ways to use his words to not create um a
Speaker 1: hot point, But instead they seem to do that every time.
Speaker 1: And it's it just seems very clear to me that
Speaker 1: unless it's unless they just can't find a way to
Speaker 1: move them, because the money side of it is a disaster. Um,
Speaker 1: there's all these quarterbacks with these huge contracts that the
Speaker 1: teams are unhappy with l Problamo and like, uh, like,
Speaker 1: you know, golf to me though he's somewhere else, But
Speaker 1: who's gonna come trading for Jared Golf? Like, I just
Speaker 1: that is the other side of this that I can't
Speaker 1: find a real and like unless a suitor is just desperate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this thing, this thing turned fast. I mean from Aikman
Speaker 1: in week sixteen, Seahawks rams kind of burying Golf in
Speaker 1: a way that seemed like, man, he's talking to McVeigh,
Speaker 1: but you know, maybe I'm just we're speculating a little
Speaker 1: bit to them, you know, seemingly benching golf for Wafford
Speaker 1: but being able to kind of hide behind the injury
Speaker 1: to this where it's like you're right there and they're
Speaker 1: they're not hiding it. Like I wasn't even a convinced
Speaker 1: that he was gone gone until this one, but man,
Speaker 1: he's gone gone. I Mean they even asked them when
Speaker 1: they about the salary cap, like, hey, wouldn't it be
Speaker 1: hard to trade golf because of the capit And I
Speaker 1: do want to get into that in a second, but
Speaker 1: I'll let you talk Like and and less Need was
Speaker 1: was like, well you can always you know, yeah, it
Speaker 1: would be hard, but you can always move things around
Speaker 1: with the cap. It seems like they're they're so they've
Speaker 1: decided internally that golf is not the guy. And you
Speaker 1: get it, Like I was just talking about it, Um
Speaker 1: after their last playoff game against the Packers. You can
Speaker 1: only imagine Sean McVeigh, a guy that has so much
Speaker 1: skill and his ability to call games and cook up
Speaker 1: dynamic game plans, watching these other teams that have quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that can do things outside the pocket, and and can
Speaker 1: Um go off script and make big time plays, And
Speaker 1: you wonder if there was just a conversation internally like
Speaker 1: he's not the guy. We need to get on the
Speaker 1: page of these other teams that have this dynamic athlete
Speaker 1: behind center. Um. And that's how I feel it went. Now, Greg,
Speaker 1: as you were alluding to, like, this is not gonna
Speaker 1: be easy because his stock has never been lower and
Speaker 1: he makes superstar quarterback or close to it money, So
Speaker 1: how do you actually get get it done now that
Speaker 1: you're basically putting it out there that it's gonna happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: So he is due forty three million dollars guaranteed over
Speaker 1: the next two years, which which sounds like a ton,
Speaker 1: but you know it's twenty one million a year. It
Speaker 1: is guaranteed. Though. The thing is you you you can't
Speaker 1: cut him like you you really can't. If they cut him,
Speaker 1: even with a post June first thing, you know it
Speaker 1: would it would hurt them fifteen million dollars in the
Speaker 1: salary cap and they would have fifty million dollars of
Speaker 1: dead money on their cap. You can't. But you can't
Speaker 1: trade him, and um a trade can be as as
Speaker 1: low cost as like a sixth and seventh round flip.
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of market Jared Goff would
Speaker 1: have right now. Basically none, I would think with that contract.
Speaker 1: But if he was willing to re structure and and
Speaker 1: all you're doing is trading like a late round swap
Speaker 1: pick swap for golf, and ultimately it's a cap hit,
Speaker 1: then you can do it. I mean you you take
Speaker 1: a little bit of h I'm looking at it and
Speaker 1: now on our friends at over the cap, but uh,
Speaker 1: you actually save money on the salary cap. You have
Speaker 1: some dead money, but you ultimately save you know, ten
Speaker 1: twelve million dollars this year. So I think that's what
Speaker 1: will happen. I think someone will give up like a
Speaker 1: pick swap and maybe be willing to pay Jared Goff.
Speaker 1: I mean, could it even be like mab not because
Speaker 1: with that contract the money is guaranteed. It was really
Speaker 1: any team that would pay him. I think you had
Speaker 1: a second round pick from the Rams just to take
Speaker 1: on the salary. Yeah, I mean, except the problem is,
Speaker 1: like it's it's also the worst offseason in NFL history
Speaker 1: to try to pull that off with the cap not
Speaker 1: growing the way it normally would due to revenue loss.
Speaker 1: So they're in a tricky situation. But they're not hiding
Speaker 1: their feelings. Man, it's got he's he's come a long
Speaker 1: way from right before that Super Bowl when he was
Speaker 1: playing well with the last few years for golf. You know,
Speaker 1: they then they went back to the well with hard
Speaker 1: knocks that really wasn't good. You do wonder if there's
Speaker 1: a little more behind the scenes stuff too, where they
Speaker 1: would sour on him this much. You know, as a leader.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you know is it all? It's crazy,
Speaker 1: all right, um, let's move on. Of course, we're going
Speaker 1: to continue to track that real quick. Some coach carousel stuff.
Speaker 1: We mentioned Nick Sirianni up top. And by the way,
Speaker 1: let's give Nick a chance and Eagles fans you too,
Speaker 1: because I was tracking the replies on those tweets that
Speaker 1: the Eagles are saying about. Everybody just sees him as
Speaker 1: a puppet higher by Howie Roseman, and we should have
Speaker 1: kept Doug p It's like, men, good luck to Nick
Speaker 1: sian It because it feels like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: negative energy around him. He hired Jonathan Gannon as his
Speaker 1: new d C and Shane Stiken as the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: UH Darryl bevil is the new O C in Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: and two familiar names, Bill O'Brien and Doug Marone, deposed
Speaker 1: head coaches. They had to end up together in Alabama.
Speaker 1: Nick Saban Staff Maron, guys. Are those guys are close friends? Remember?
Speaker 1: I mean there were two owners meetings in a row
Speaker 1: where I found myself in a scrum with O'Brien and
Speaker 1: uh Maron and others, and they they were very welcoming.
Speaker 1: I think I'm not certain but they seemed to be
Speaker 1: This Eagle staff is kind of the uh, that's good
Speaker 1: memories that maybe no, I guess they probably won't be
Speaker 1: back together in the NFL again. Maybe maybe been Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 1: I'll get a coordinator shot higher, Maron, I think, Pat, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's bring in Kevin Patrick a little early here. I
Speaker 1: want to tee him up on the lines of course.
Speaker 1: But Patrick, were you there in um the bar in
Speaker 1: Indianapolis when Cessler had cozied up to all those coaches
Speaker 1: in the corner of that hotel bar. Well, this was
Speaker 1: an owners meeting, So I don't think that. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah, this wrong wrong venue, wrong venue. But
Speaker 1: that was Mark. One of the more iconic NFL media
Speaker 1: trip moments where we're like, where's Mark, Where's Mark? And
Speaker 1: you were just it was like all these titans of
Speaker 1: the sport at the time, and then you were just there,
Speaker 1: like with a big grin and a glass of red wine,
Speaker 1: just like nodding your head to their conversations, laughing along.
Speaker 1: It was I was. I was there was some I was,
Speaker 1: you know, offering some comments here and there. I wasn't
Speaker 1: just sort of a clown on the side as I
Speaker 1: remember it. You were right in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know you were. You were involved with the
Speaker 1: conversation as well. You're saying, that's how I remember it.
Speaker 1: I I think he was spitting yards. They were like,
Speaker 1: who's this guy? This? This guy's great. You were like
Speaker 1: a wild card. It's always good. Every once in a while,
Speaker 1: everything has to be right, the temperature and the bar
Speaker 1: has to be right own. Remember bars. Oh what a
Speaker 1: place they were about the past at this If if
Speaker 1: a wild card rolls into your conversation in your circle, um,
Speaker 1: it could be met with a brush off and like
Speaker 1: who the F is this guy? Or if the wild
Speaker 1: card brings something, it's like, all right, let's keep this
Speaker 1: guy in the circle. There might have been a little
Speaker 1: a little bit of both going on in that scenario.
Speaker 1: This guy just changed the temperature in the room, alright,
Speaker 1: Kevin Patra. Patra's a legend. I let's talk about it. Kevin,
Speaker 1: who has been Yeah, it's been too long. Do what
Speaker 1: you do? Awesome work, uh covering the league for NFL
Speaker 1: dot Com. Um a regular on this podcast, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think we checked in with you, Kevin right before
Speaker 1: the season on your thoughts on the Lions, and we
Speaker 1: don't want to put you in a box, but it's
Speaker 1: been such a um eventful past few weeks in Detroit,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to somebody who covers the team
Speaker 1: and also grew up following them. Let's start. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: kind of go in reverse order of like everything they
Speaker 1: going on in Detroit right now, but let's start with
Speaker 1: the Matt Stafford news, which is obviously seismic. NFL Networks
Speaker 1: Tom Palaceero reported over the weekend that the Lions and
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford have agreed to part ways this offseason, which
Speaker 1: points patrick to a full rebuild. Uh incoming here under
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. Uh, assuming this is how it does end up,
Speaker 1: where do you come down, like on the Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: era overall? Since he was the number one overall pick,
Speaker 1: and how are you feeling right now about him? I
Speaker 1: mean the era overall is he's the best quarterback the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions have ever had, unless you really want to
Speaker 1: throw in Bobby Lane from the nineteen fifties. But that's
Speaker 1: so old. My dad wasn't even being standing up yet,
Speaker 1: so I can't give a comment on that. But in
Speaker 1: my lifetime in the Super Bowl era. Tell me more
Speaker 1: about your father's bathroom happens. Yeah, I mean I don't.
Speaker 1: I think he can still stand and standing up, so
Speaker 1: we're still good there. Um. But anyway, but he's the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback that they've had. He owned all the records,
Speaker 1: like thirty some passing records. I mean, even if you
Speaker 1: consider that this era to other relative to other eras,
Speaker 1: there's no quarterback. I mean, you're talking about Charlie Batch,
Speaker 1: Joe Joey Harrington's of the world, Eric Schmidt's of the world. Uh,
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell's, Like, there's no one that comes close to
Speaker 1: the type of quarterback he was, the type of leader
Speaker 1: he was, and his longevity at the position, playing through injuries.
Speaker 1: There's no question that he's the greatest quarterback of De
Speaker 1: Stroit Lions history. But it's a low bar. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is a's very it's a very very very very
Speaker 1: very low bar. After he's a he's a tricky guy
Speaker 1: to talk about because I think there's nuance that absolutely
Speaker 1: the organization did not support him well over the last
Speaker 1: ten plus years. They should have won many more games.
Speaker 1: If they were functional with Matthew Stafford, they should have
Speaker 1: won more playoff games. But he's also not I've seen him,
Speaker 1: you know, thrown in there with like Rivers and Romo
Speaker 1: or different guys, and he's not that guy either. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's very rarely been a top ten quarterback. He's been
Speaker 1: a better than average, like NFL starting quarterback, which is
Speaker 1: exciting to see, which is exciting to have. And he's
Speaker 1: he's had moments, but he hasn't been like a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl type difference maker guy. He's sort of in that,
Speaker 1: in that middle tier. So it's like he's not he's
Speaker 1: I almost think he's overrated by some that are like, man,
Speaker 1: that's like Stafford is a Hall of you know, would
Speaker 1: have been a Hall of Famer. It's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what a Hall of fame,
Speaker 1: but the numbers are there, certainly, and he you have
Speaker 1: to look at what was around him. It was crap
Speaker 1: for most of the time. I mean the one year
Speaker 1: they had a good defense, the offense kind of sucked.
Speaker 1: So I mean that that that's just an issue of
Speaker 1: like what was around him all the time. Yes, he
Speaker 1: had Calvin Johnson, but at that time the line stuffed.
Speaker 1: Now the line is better and all was in the
Speaker 1: super receivers were injured. I just think that now it's
Speaker 1: extense to two part ways. I think that the talent
Speaker 1: he still has talent. He's only thirty two years old,
Speaker 1: which seems ridiculous to think about. Um, So he's still
Speaker 1: got five or six years left if he stays healthy,
Speaker 1: and it'll be I'm rooting for him to succeed wherever
Speaker 1: else he goes, because I think he's gotten the raw
Speaker 1: into the stick by a bad or or mediocre organization. Um,
Speaker 1: and it would be it would have been exciting to
Speaker 1: see his career at a in a better place that
Speaker 1: didn't turn out it's best players and have most of
Speaker 1: them retire or leave before in the early thirties. That's fair.
Speaker 1: I mean, would you would you struggle to come up
Speaker 1: with I'm not not asking you to do it here,
Speaker 1: but a top five moments for Matthew Stafford. My one
Speaker 1: thing about him that I kind of feel like that
Speaker 1: quarterback and team they tried for a real long time.
Speaker 1: But I'd love to see Matthew Stafford um in a
Speaker 1: different environment with a different opportunity, and maybe the Lions
Speaker 1: with a different quarterback, just to see if they can
Speaker 1: shake things up because I feel like, you're right, he's
Speaker 1: thirty two, but I feel like he's been in the
Speaker 1: league with the Lions for twenty five years. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just feels like it's been the same there there.
Speaker 1: It's almost like no hill or valley or ever flow.
Speaker 1: It's just been the Stafford and the Lions have been
Speaker 1: the same thing to me for so long, and that
Speaker 1: may be an issue with the way that I see them,
Speaker 1: but um, I just I feel like he's not there.
Speaker 1: There is a little bit of blame that I would
Speaker 1: attach to Matthew Stafford when when you look at the
Speaker 1: Lions and say, well, they never got over the hump,
Speaker 1: They never won a playoff game, they never really did
Speaker 1: anything of note. He takes some name there playoff. One
Speaker 1: playoff game they should have that was Cowboys. But sure, yes,
Speaker 1: I could come up with matt Stafford top five, and
Speaker 1: most of them, honestly, would be him freelancing at the
Speaker 1: end of the game to pull his team off the
Speaker 1: raft and get it at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: whether it's the dive into the end zone against the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: which was preceded by a ridiculous throw into a hole
Speaker 1: as big as a uh, you know as a Q
Speaker 1: ball and just most of those are going to be
Speaker 1: with his arm and just but you're right. He My
Speaker 1: biggest frustration with Stafford Will always was he took some
Speaker 1: of the stupidest stacks, so like push him out of
Speaker 1: field goal ranger, kill a drive. That was my biggest thing.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the interceptions, because I always felt like me
Speaker 1: he was trying to take make a play, and I'll
Speaker 1: forgive that most of the time, but it was just
Speaker 1: the dumb sacks that he'd take or like the the
Speaker 1: airmail pass that would just kill a drive. So very tradable,
Speaker 1: very tradeable, right now, that's true. I just man, I
Speaker 1: struggled to separate see him as a player that they
Speaker 1: don't not a building block with a guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: get you to the next level. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the lines were never good enough for him to like
Speaker 1: help them get to the next level. They needed something different.
Speaker 1: I really struggle to separate the mediocrity of of the
Speaker 1: Lions from Stafford and and to to feel like he
Speaker 1: of course he's he's Stafford. He's involved with on some
Speaker 1: level of their failure to get over the hump. But
Speaker 1: I mean put there's very few quarterbacks. I think that
Speaker 1: you could put in his shoes over these last eleven
Speaker 1: years or whatever it's been and it would have made
Speaker 1: a difference. And so maybe he is not Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: but if you put him an organization that was more functional,
Speaker 1: I think he could have a totally different trajectory on
Speaker 1: his career. We talked about that. We're talked about Sam
Speaker 1: Donald all the time, like, how do you how do
Speaker 1: you judge Sam Donald when he's around slop? Like I
Speaker 1: don't think Matthew Stafford has been in a totally different situation.
Speaker 1: He's had some great players like Calvin Johnson for instance,
Speaker 1: around him, But I would like to see him as
Speaker 1: a football fan in a new spot and surrounded by
Speaker 1: an organization that knows how to make the most of him.
Speaker 1: I think Ryan Tannehill is a good example of a
Speaker 1: player that has talent that can in the right situation,
Speaker 1: in the right situation, can be a difference maker. And
Speaker 1: I think that's Stafford to a team. Well. I think
Speaker 1: it's like he is the most tradeable guy of all
Speaker 1: these guys because the it won't be that complicated now.
Speaker 1: Of course, DeShawn Watson is more valuable and you'd rather
Speaker 1: you'd rather have DeShawn Watson. And there's other guys that
Speaker 1: aren't even getting mentioned right now, like Jimmy Ge to me,
Speaker 1: is gonna be very tradeable, and but Stafford's contract is
Speaker 1: very trade all. He wants out, they want him out.
Speaker 1: I think there will be a nice market for him.
Speaker 1: I'm curious if, like, you're gonna get a first round
Speaker 1: pick for Stafford, wouldn't wouldn't surprise me. I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of things that you'd improve.
Speaker 1: The money just doesn't make sense if you're not getting
Speaker 1: the first pick. He's not that not expensive. I think, yes,
Speaker 1: they were gonna do what's right for for him. They
Speaker 1: want to after what he's put in. But I think
Speaker 1: if you if you say we're not gonna get first
Speaker 1: round pick or something of equal value, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're you're gonna do that. The one problem
Speaker 1: is gonna go twenty years without finding another quarterback. It's
Speaker 1: absolutely there's no guarantees about anything, especially when you don't
Speaker 1: have a top two pick. All right, Um neck Dan Campbell,
Speaker 1: he's the head coach. It gets the six year deal.
Speaker 1: Um leaving the Saints to join the Lions. Obviously, people
Speaker 1: got all fired up about the intro comments and biting
Speaker 1: kneecaps and all that business. Uh, how do you feel?
Speaker 1: What's your confidence? But what's your peace scale? At let's
Speaker 1: say one sunked on the pants, gotta get home to mommy. Ten.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling really confident. I'm feeling pumped about Campbell and
Speaker 1: Detroit where you at? I mean, I wasn't my It
Speaker 1: wasn't my version of a great higher. That's not who
Speaker 1: I would have chosen. But I'm not in charge, and
Speaker 1: I don't get to say so. Having said that, so
Speaker 1: like I understand the higher, like we talked about all
Speaker 1: the time, usually go for what's the opposite. What's the
Speaker 1: opposite of a rocket scientist, maybe Dan Campbell? Like you.
Speaker 1: They went from the guy who didn't play to like
Speaker 1: football head and they brought in all these football heads.
Speaker 1: So that's where we're going. So I get the vision,
Speaker 1: and at least for for you know, at this time,
Speaker 1: there's a vision. There's a clear vision from ownership that
Speaker 1: they're bringing in guys who played before. And I was
Speaker 1: I thought that the press conference was ridiculous. Now was
Speaker 1: it entertaining, yes, but the biting, the kneecap stuff. Still
Speaker 1: don't understand it. You try to clarify it like three
Speaker 1: different times. Still don't get it. Don't get it at all.
Speaker 1: But that's not for me. He even said that it's
Speaker 1: the first first locker room. If those guys like to
Speaker 1: talk about bite kneecaps, more power to him. Um. But
Speaker 1: I will say I think I like the staff he's
Speaker 1: created that he's brought in um or whether that was
Speaker 1: Ricks or Um sorry Chris Spielman who helped get him all.
Speaker 1: I like the staff they brought in. I think Lynn
Speaker 1: he's going to be a solid offensive coordinator. I think
Speaker 1: he's worked with um young quarterbacks. So if that's the
Speaker 1: draft choice, that we have some there and do Staley
Speaker 1: and those two there can be a run game. So
Speaker 1: I think DeAndre Swift that will be a solid pairing.
Speaker 1: And you know, Aaron Glenn intrigues me on defense, just
Speaker 1: given what the secondary in New Orleans did. So I'm
Speaker 1: not I wasn't a huge fan of the name of
Speaker 1: Campbell higher, but I'm willing to give him a chance
Speaker 1: if he's going to be the guy that just says,
Speaker 1: you know what, everyone I'm gonna take the spotlight and
Speaker 1: you can go about and do your work and be
Speaker 1: good coordinators. And this is what I'm looking for. But
Speaker 1: you take it and run with it, then I'm fine
Speaker 1: with it. Aren't Not many of those guys left the
Speaker 1: kind of the overseer who's not really the expert on
Speaker 1: one side. You know, even Tomlin basically is a defensive guy.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I I'm a little
Speaker 1: worried about their offense with Anthony Lynn and Induced Daley.
Speaker 1: You just get the feeling from Chris Spielman and from
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell that it's like, we want to smash you know,
Speaker 1: we wanna, you know, run the ball over. You want
Speaker 1: to be a smash mouth offense, Like we want to
Speaker 1: be physical. That that's all they're talking about, and that
Speaker 1: that's all great. But you know, unless you draft Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm more worried about developing the passing game. Isn't
Speaker 1: that also what essentially um Matt Patricia wanted on offense.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got you had like a forty three
Speaker 1: year old Adrian Peterson running the ball five times a game.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I also I'm willing to see like,
Speaker 1: let's wait to see who the quarterback is and what
Speaker 1: the other pieces. Obviously, DeAndre Swift is not a smash
Speaker 1: mouth guy that's gonna get it, get the ball three
Speaker 1: times up the middle um. But you know the Chargers
Speaker 1: the last three years, I've been a past some first
Speaker 1: team even this year with Herbert. So I'm willing to
Speaker 1: say that I'm willing to give Anthony Lyns some leash
Speaker 1: and say that he's gonna adapt. And that's the one
Speaker 1: thing that Campbell said in his press conference that I
Speaker 1: think you can take away. He wants to put our
Speaker 1: you know, what we do well against what you do
Speaker 1: not well. You're our best on your weakest. So I
Speaker 1: think that's gonna depend on where matchups come down, what
Speaker 1: what happens with the wide receivers, of which are not
Speaker 1: on basically not are under contract. So it's a complete
Speaker 1: tear down and build up. So they can say all
Speaker 1: they want right now about running the ball, passing the ball,
Speaker 1: but you know, when you're gonna be down twenty to
Speaker 1: nothing because your defense can't stop a feather in the wind,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. And you know, like you talk about
Speaker 1: where the organization has had end, Listen, it's a new dawn,
Speaker 1: new leadership in the front office, new head coach. Um.
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about them. And you know, last year
Speaker 1: the big move was they traded Darius Slay, their top cornerback,
Speaker 1: and then they used the number three overall pick did
Speaker 1: draft Jeff of Kuda. And you're trying to get better,
Speaker 1: but it's like, how much better is the roster? Now
Speaker 1: you're gonna trade Matthew Stafford? And then I guess with
Speaker 1: the number seven overall pick, you're gonna draft a quarterback.
Speaker 1: But are you gonna get a guy that's much better
Speaker 1: than Matthew Stafford? Is this organization? Do you think they're
Speaker 1: they're equipped to make the decisions to actually turn this
Speaker 1: thing around? Do you believe? Uh? And now, of course
Speaker 1: you have John Dorrisey in the building who did some
Speaker 1: good things with the Chiefs and then with the Browns,
Speaker 1: but a lot of bad things too. That's why he's
Speaker 1: no longer at those places. Do you trust this leadership? Um? So,
Speaker 1: while I didn't really enjoy the Campbell selection, I did
Speaker 1: and I did like the Holmes being a GM choice,
Speaker 1: and I think bringing in Dorsey to back him up.
Speaker 1: Just looking at what the Rams have done the stockpile
Speaker 1: talent when we all thought a lot of us thought
Speaker 1: that they would, you know, kind of hit the pavement
Speaker 1: given the losses in free agency and such. But what
Speaker 1: the rookies did coming up and what their drafts have been,
Speaker 1: UM in the second area and on defense in the past,
Speaker 1: I think that that's a he's gonna have a solid
Speaker 1: voice in there, and so I'm more optimistic that. But
Speaker 1: again it goes back to worship. This is a this
Speaker 1: is a team that every four years, I mean Mark
Speaker 1: knows as well. You keep start hitting the restart button
Speaker 1: every four years, nothing's ever gonna go work. I think
Speaker 1: that was the point of giving Campbell a six year
Speaker 1: contract to kind of say, look, we're here in this
Speaker 1: for the long haul, even if it blows up. Um.
Speaker 1: But do I have faith that a team that in
Speaker 1: my entire lifetime has never been good? Uh? I can't
Speaker 1: have faith in that. I can have hope, that's all.
Speaker 1: I hope they're they're at a low point. It is
Speaker 1: interesting to think as you were going through it, and
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the roster not much, not much.
Speaker 1: They're on defense, and then their best players like Goad, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got yeah, the o line is Gola Day is
Speaker 1: a free agent like they they are as much in
Speaker 1: a tear down situation as really any team in the
Speaker 1: entire NFL right now, Well, when you're basically allowing during
Speaker 1: the yeah, yeah, I mean Patrick, you have you grew up.
Speaker 1: I'm sure with other Lions fans around you, it seems
Speaker 1: like obviously a fan base that has a good reason
Speaker 1: to be just you know, essentially agitated all the time.
Speaker 1: But do you have that one fan friend out there
Speaker 1: that's like, um, rose colored glasses NonStop thanks, the Lions
Speaker 1: are always heading in the right direction, or is everyone
Speaker 1: um essentially grumpy? Where is there are there any outliers? Uh?
Speaker 1: There are very very few outliers. I would say I
Speaker 1: might have one friend who's like, well, I can see that,
Speaker 1: like willing to say the the you know, everything's great.
Speaker 1: Every higher is going to work out. You know, I
Speaker 1: can see it. But for the most part, um, you
Speaker 1: know what's Midwesterners are politely uh skeptical. Mp I attempted
Speaker 1: to jump on their bandwagon, you know, in August, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, in any other scenario, the fans would be like,
Speaker 1: we might not be great, but thank you, it'll be fun.
Speaker 1: People were like agitated with me, like, you're an idiot.
Speaker 1: This team is stupid. I've been following them for years.
Speaker 1: Don't do this. This is a bad idea, And I
Speaker 1: mean it was a bad idea. I had a friend
Speaker 1: whose dad told him about ten fifteen years ago, please
Speaker 1: stop being a Lions fan. Don't waste your life like
Speaker 1: I've done with mine. That's kind of where we're at
Speaker 1: as a fan base, like to not be a fan. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, the they weren't going in the right direction.
Speaker 1: So maybe this is it. Maybe you hit the reboot
Speaker 1: and you have the right leadership and you build a
Speaker 1: roster and maybe maybe Patrick and maybe you build a superpower.
Speaker 1: You never know. Yeah, you know, we're crazier. Things have happened, right,
Speaker 1: I know all about it. You know the hope. All
Speaker 1: you got is hope, and and maybe it turns around,
Speaker 1: and this is the regime to do it, Patra, you
Speaker 1: said it all. Anything else we need to know about
Speaker 1: you right now? About me? You have a young family,
Speaker 1: of course, now looks good. Thank you. I'm I'm constantly
Speaker 1: watching a child crawl up down upstairs. That's my nine
Speaker 1: year old is fascinated with crawling upstairs of which we
Speaker 1: have a lot because our house is like built upwards.
Speaker 1: Um so his favorite thing we live in Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we live in Gates City currently, so just gates constantly
Speaker 1: and whenever you gets to freezing. So I'm getting a
Speaker 1: lot of exercise walking upstairs, not down them because I
Speaker 1: gotta carry it back down because he looking here, the
Speaker 1: hands of family is looking for a new lodging residents
Speaker 1: and the only thing my my two sons want is
Speaker 1: a house with stairs. And it's like, son, Los Angeles
Speaker 1: real estate market, I cannot give that to you. You're
Speaker 1: not getting. Yeah, well ours is a role of town homes,
Speaker 1: so it's like you know, they squish them in so
Speaker 1: they right, right, yeah. We we stayed at an airbnb
Speaker 1: someone recently and it was like the kids ran into
Speaker 1: that they have stairs. They shouldn't be this excited about that.
Speaker 1: They also have like a ten month winner if you're
Speaker 1: not in l A. So you know, come on, kids,
Speaker 1: that's true, that's true. All right, Patrick Patrick, thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us, buddy, Stay warm, stay healthy. App right there
Speaker 1: he goes, Kevin coming at you. I listen, I've been
Speaker 1: in that place with Patrick Patrick's atte right now. My
Speaker 1: whole life. I feel like Mark, you can relate as well,
Speaker 1: um you even when there are some warning signs. All
Speaker 1: you can do is hope that maybe skeptics are wrong,
Speaker 1: you know, and and uh not that there's a ton
Speaker 1: of skepticism. There is some around the Campbell higher but
Speaker 1: I think maybe that was more surprised than the amount
Speaker 1: of years they gave him. Um. But as I said
Speaker 1: in a recent show, I don't worry about that as
Speaker 1: much because if he stinks and it's not working, they're
Speaker 1: gonna fire him. Eat the money anyway, probably and it's
Speaker 1: not on your cap, but it is to use that
Speaker 1: if that's indeed what Patrick was saying, like the part
Speaker 1: of the reason he got six years is because they
Speaker 1: want to show that they are um serious about this rebuild.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, but what if it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: You can't just keep going back and back and back.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if anything, they've been too patient. There's
Speaker 1: four or five teams out there, and there's a couple
Speaker 1: in the NFC North that's just like they don't fire
Speaker 1: the coach because of the money, and other teams where
Speaker 1: the money is like the money is flowing, they might
Speaker 1: you know, cut cut the chord quicker. I think Cleveland.
Speaker 1: One point was paying UM Rob Chatzinski for three separate
Speaker 1: UM stops in Cleveland. So like like when things go
Speaker 1: bad for these coaches and for these teams, I mean
Speaker 1: they the owners a pain, like a staff of like
Speaker 1: seventy different people from three different regimes. Ultra nightmare. All right,
Speaker 1: good stuff, good show, good conversation. We'll be back on Thursday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about Matt money Smith. He might even be
Speaker 1: joining us, which should be fun. Always great to have
Speaker 1: money on. And UM no network show this week, so
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about tuning into that. But
Speaker 1: we will can start to build up. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we usually do a show guys where we say
Speaker 1: we're not allowed to use the super Bowl word. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's this Thursday show or if we're
Speaker 1: gonna start ramping up a little bit. I don't know. Listen,
Speaker 1: it's all stuff to work out. That's the that's the
Speaker 1: fun part of it. For only three more shows until
Speaker 1: the Super Only four more in this in this uh
Speaker 1: somewhat cursed UM, but it's had its beautiful moments. Twenty season.
Speaker 1: They're fair all right. This dad has a signing off
Speaker 1: for Guide, stormed the old boss Ricky Hollywood Kevin patcha
Speaker 1: who came right at you till Thursday. Ye M set