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Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast are available for virtual parties and

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Speaker 1: get paid for it though. Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan As.

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Speaker 1: I come to you from a virtual room filled with heroes,

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Speaker 1: some heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, What is up? Boys?

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Speaker 1: Was that the loudest that the intro ever was? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I believe it was. I was having similar issues to Greg.

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Speaker 1: I was. I felt like I was at like, you know,

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Speaker 1: like the old Nirvana concert. I went to Springfield Civic

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Speaker 1: Center about that loudest concert ever. Um mine was. And

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Speaker 1: it's not like some badge of honor like um Greg

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Speaker 1: Rosenthal getting to see the great Nirvana. I saw Arrowsmith

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Speaker 1: blame Joe Perry, Steven Tyler all right to Mark, I

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Speaker 1: would imagine maybe a toad the Wet Sprocket concert. Annie

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Speaker 1: Concert we went to was was loud, but it wasn't

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Speaker 1: like crushing your ears loud. Um. Maybe Blues Traveler the

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Speaker 1: wales here drums pop. Um. All right, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. Yes, we are two days removed

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Speaker 1: from Championships Sunday. We have a really fun Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: matchup coming up in about a week and a half

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Speaker 1: of course, between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Plenty of time to talk about that, and we will

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Speaker 1: in good time. We got a another show coming up

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Speaker 1: on Thursday and then um, two more programs ahead of

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Speaker 1: gritty of the big game. Today, we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: other things going on in the NFL. And there's a

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Speaker 1: lot cooking right now. And Greg, I mean right off

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Speaker 1: I know Mark was on last week and UM and

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Speaker 1: who knows, maybe it'll be at Home and Home Little

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Speaker 1: Money on the podcast. Abney, what are you ranking at

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Speaker 1: been it's been a minute. Kevin Patra coming at you

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Speaker 1: to talk about everything that's going around going on around

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Speaker 1: his boyhood team, the Detroit Lions. I know Patrick has

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Speaker 1: takes to share that's coming up. Before we do that,

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Speaker 1: I mean there were two owners meetings in a row

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Speaker 1: where I found myself in a scrum with O'Brien and

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Speaker 1: uh Maron and others, and they they were very welcoming.

429
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Speaker 1: I think I'm not certain but they seemed to be

430
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: This Eagle staff is kind of the uh, that's good

431
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: memories that maybe no, I guess they probably won't be

432
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: back together in the NFL again. Maybe maybe been Bill O'Brien.

433
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Speaker 1: I'll get a coordinator shot higher, Maron, I think, Pat, Hey,

434
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Speaker 1: let's bring in Kevin Patrick a little early here. I

435
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: want to tee him up on the lines of course.

436
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: But Patrick, were you there in um the bar in

437
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: Indianapolis when Cessler had cozied up to all those coaches

438
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: in the corner of that hotel bar. Well, this was

439
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: an owners meeting, So I don't think that. I don't

440
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah, this wrong wrong venue, wrong venue. But

441
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: that was Mark. One of the more iconic NFL media

442
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: trip moments where we're like, where's Mark, Where's Mark? And

443
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: you were just it was like all these titans of

444
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: the sport at the time, and then you were just there,

445
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: like with a big grin and a glass of red wine,

446
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: just like nodding your head to their conversations, laughing along.

447
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: It was I was. I was there was some I was,

448
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, offering some comments here and there. I wasn't

449
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: just sort of a clown on the side as I

450
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: remember it. You were right in the middle of it.

451
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: I don't know you were. You were involved with the

452
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: conversation as well. You're saying, that's how I remember it.

453
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: I I think he was spitting yards. They were like,

454
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Speaker 1: who's this guy? This? This guy's great. You were like

455
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: a wild card. It's always good. Every once in a while,

456
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Speaker 1: everything has to be right, the temperature and the bar

457
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Speaker 1: has to be right own. Remember bars. Oh what a

458
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: place they were about the past at this If if

459
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: a wild card rolls into your conversation in your circle, um,

460
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 1: it could be met with a brush off and like

461
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: who the F is this guy? Or if the wild

462
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Speaker 1: card brings something, it's like, all right, let's keep this

463
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: guy in the circle. There might have been a little

464
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of both going on in that scenario.

465
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: This guy just changed the temperature in the room, alright,

466
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Speaker 1: Kevin Patra. Patra's a legend. I let's talk about it. Kevin,

467
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: who has been Yeah, it's been too long. Do what

468
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: you do? Awesome work, uh covering the league for NFL

469
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Speaker 1: dot Com. Um a regular on this podcast, and you know,

470
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Speaker 1: I think we checked in with you, Kevin right before

471
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Speaker 1: the season on your thoughts on the Lions, and we

472
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: don't want to put you in a box, but it's

473
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Speaker 1: been such a um eventful past few weeks in Detroit,

474
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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to somebody who covers the team

475
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Speaker 1: and also grew up following them. Let's start. I'm gonna

476
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: kind of go in reverse order of like everything they

477
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Speaker 1: going on in Detroit right now, but let's start with

478
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 1: the Matt Stafford news, which is obviously seismic. NFL Networks

479
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: Tom Palaceero reported over the weekend that the Lions and

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford have agreed to part ways this offseason, which

481
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Speaker 1: points patrick to a full rebuild. Uh incoming here under

482
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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. Uh, assuming this is how it does end up,

483
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Speaker 1: where do you come down, like on the Matthew Stafford

484
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: era overall? Since he was the number one overall pick,

485
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Speaker 1: and how are you feeling right now about him? I

486
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: mean the era overall is he's the best quarterback the

487
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions have ever had, unless you really want to

488
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: throw in Bobby Lane from the nineteen fifties. But that's

489
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: so old. My dad wasn't even being standing up yet,

490
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: so I can't give a comment on that. But in

491
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Speaker 1: my lifetime in the Super Bowl era. Tell me more

492
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: about your father's bathroom happens. Yeah, I mean I don't.

493
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: I think he can still stand and standing up, so

494
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: we're still good there. Um. But anyway, but he's the

495
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback that they've had. He owned all the records,

496
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Speaker 1: like thirty some passing records. I mean, even if you

497
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Speaker 1: consider that this era to other relative to other eras,

498
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: there's no quarterback. I mean, you're talking about Charlie Batch,

499
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Speaker 1: Joe Joey Harrington's of the world, Eric Schmidt's of the world. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell's, Like, there's no one that comes close to

501
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: the type of quarterback he was, the type of leader

502
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: he was, and his longevity at the position, playing through injuries.

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Speaker 1: There's no question that he's the greatest quarterback of De

504
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Speaker 1: Stroit Lions history. But it's a low bar. I mean,

505
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Speaker 1: it is a's very it's a very very very very

506
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Speaker 1: very low bar. After he's a he's a tricky guy

507
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Speaker 1: to talk about because I think there's nuance that absolutely

508
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: the organization did not support him well over the last

509
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Speaker 1: ten plus years. They should have won many more games.

510
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: If they were functional with Matthew Stafford, they should have

511
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Speaker 1: won more playoff games. But he's also not I've seen him,

512
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, thrown in there with like Rivers and Romo

513
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: or different guys, and he's not that guy either. I mean,

514
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: he's very rarely been a top ten quarterback. He's been

515
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: a better than average, like NFL starting quarterback, which is

516
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: exciting to see, which is exciting to have. And he's

517
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: he's had moments, but he hasn't been like a Pro

518
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Speaker 1: Bowl type difference maker guy. He's sort of in that,

519
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: in that middle tier. So it's like he's not he's

520
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: I almost think he's overrated by some that are like, man,

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Speaker 1: that's like Stafford is a Hall of you know, would

522
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 1: have been a Hall of Famer. It's like, I don't know,

523
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what a Hall of fame,

524
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: but the numbers are there, certainly, and he you have

525
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: to look at what was around him. It was crap

526
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Speaker 1: for most of the time. I mean the one year

527
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: they had a good defense, the offense kind of sucked.

528
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Speaker 1: So I mean that that that's just an issue of

529
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Speaker 1: like what was around him all the time. Yes, he

530
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: had Calvin Johnson, but at that time the line stuffed.

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00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: Now the line is better and all was in the

532
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: super receivers were injured. I just think that now it's

533
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: extense to two part ways. I think that the talent

534
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: he still has talent. He's only thirty two years old,

535
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: which seems ridiculous to think about. Um, So he's still

536
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: got five or six years left if he stays healthy,

537
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: and it'll be I'm rooting for him to succeed wherever

538
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: else he goes, because I think he's gotten the raw

539
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: into the stick by a bad or or mediocre organization. Um,

540
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: and it would be it would have been exciting to

541
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Speaker 1: see his career at a in a better place that

542
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: didn't turn out it's best players and have most of

543
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: them retire or leave before in the early thirties. That's fair.

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00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 1: I mean, would you would you struggle to come up

545
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: with I'm not not asking you to do it here,

546
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: but a top five moments for Matthew Stafford. My one

547
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: thing about him that I kind of feel like that

548
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: quarterback and team they tried for a real long time.

549
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: But I'd love to see Matthew Stafford um in a

550
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: different environment with a different opportunity, and maybe the Lions

551
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: with a different quarterback, just to see if they can

552
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: shake things up because I feel like, you're right, he's

553
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: thirty two, but I feel like he's been in the

554
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: league with the Lions for twenty five years. I mean,

555
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: it just feels like it's been the same there there.

556
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: It's almost like no hill or valley or ever flow.

557
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: It's just been the Stafford and the Lions have been

558
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: the same thing to me for so long, and that

559
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: may be an issue with the way that I see them,

560
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: but um, I just I feel like he's not there.

561
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: There is a little bit of blame that I would

562
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: attach to Matthew Stafford when when you look at the

563
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Lions and say, well, they never got over the hump,

564
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: They never won a playoff game, they never really did

565
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: anything of note. He takes some name there playoff. One

566
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: playoff game they should have that was Cowboys. But sure, yes,

567
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: I could come up with matt Stafford top five, and

568
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: most of them, honestly, would be him freelancing at the

569
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: end of the game to pull his team off the

570
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: raft and get it at the end of the game,

571
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: whether it's the dive into the end zone against the Cowboys,

572
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: which was preceded by a ridiculous throw into a hole

573
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: as big as a uh, you know as a Q

574
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: ball and just most of those are going to be

575
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: with his arm and just but you're right. He My

576
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: biggest frustration with Stafford Will always was he took some

577
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: of the stupidest stacks, so like push him out of

578
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: field goal ranger, kill a drive. That was my biggest thing.

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00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the interceptions, because I always felt like me

580
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: he was trying to take make a play, and I'll

581
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: forgive that most of the time, but it was just

582
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: the dumb sacks that he'd take or like the the

583
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: airmail pass that would just kill a drive. So very tradable,

584
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: very tradeable, right now, that's true. I just man, I

585
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: struggled to separate see him as a player that they

586
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: don't not a building block with a guy that's gonna

587
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: get you to the next level. And I think that's

588
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: the lines were never good enough for him to like

589
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: help them get to the next level. They needed something different.

590
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: I really struggle to separate the mediocrity of of the

591
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: Lions from Stafford and and to to feel like he

592
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: of course he's he's Stafford. He's involved with on some

593
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: level of their failure to get over the hump. But

594
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean put there's very few quarterbacks. I think that

595
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: you could put in his shoes over these last eleven

596
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: years or whatever it's been and it would have made

597
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: a difference. And so maybe he is not Patrick Mahomes,

598
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: but if you put him an organization that was more functional,

599
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: I think he could have a totally different trajectory on

600
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: his career. We talked about that. We're talked about Sam

601
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: Donald all the time, like, how do you how do

602
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: you judge Sam Donald when he's around slop? Like I

603
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: don't think Matthew Stafford has been in a totally different situation.

604
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: He's had some great players like Calvin Johnson for instance,

605
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: around him, But I would like to see him as

606
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: a football fan in a new spot and surrounded by

607
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: an organization that knows how to make the most of him.

608
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: I think Ryan Tannehill is a good example of a

609
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: player that has talent that can in the right situation,

610
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: in the right situation, can be a difference maker. And

611
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: I think that's Stafford to a team. Well. I think

612
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: it's like he is the most tradeable guy of all

613
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: these guys because the it won't be that complicated now.

614
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: Of course, DeShawn Watson is more valuable and you'd rather

615
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: you'd rather have DeShawn Watson. And there's other guys that

616
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: aren't even getting mentioned right now, like Jimmy Ge to me,

617
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: is gonna be very tradeable, and but Stafford's contract is

618
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: very trade all. He wants out, they want him out.

619
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: I think there will be a nice market for him.

620
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm curious if, like, you're gonna get a first round

621
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: pick for Stafford, wouldn't wouldn't surprise me. I think there's

622
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of things that you'd improve.

623
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: The money just doesn't make sense if you're not getting

624
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: the first pick. He's not that not expensive. I think, yes,

625
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: they were gonna do what's right for for him. They

626
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: want to after what he's put in. But I think

627
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: if you if you say we're not gonna get first

628
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: round pick or something of equal value, I don't. I

629
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: don't think you're you're gonna do that. The one problem

630
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: is gonna go twenty years without finding another quarterback. It's

631
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: absolutely there's no guarantees about anything, especially when you don't

632
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: have a top two pick. All right, Um neck Dan Campbell,

633
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: he's the head coach. It gets the six year deal.

634
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: Um leaving the Saints to join the Lions. Obviously, people

635
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: got all fired up about the intro comments and biting

636
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: kneecaps and all that business. Uh, how do you feel?

637
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: What's your confidence? But what's your peace scale? At let's

638
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: say one sunked on the pants, gotta get home to mommy. Ten.

639
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm feeling really confident. I'm feeling pumped about Campbell and

640
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: Detroit where you at? I mean, I wasn't my It

641
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: wasn't my version of a great higher. That's not who

642
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: I would have chosen. But I'm not in charge, and

643
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: I don't get to say so. Having said that, so

644
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: like I understand the higher, like we talked about all

645
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: the time, usually go for what's the opposite. What's the

646
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: opposite of a rocket scientist, maybe Dan Campbell? Like you.

647
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: They went from the guy who didn't play to like

648
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: football head and they brought in all these football heads.

649
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: So that's where we're going. So I get the vision,

650
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: and at least for for you know, at this time,

651
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: there's a vision. There's a clear vision from ownership that

652
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: they're bringing in guys who played before. And I was

653
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: I thought that the press conference was ridiculous. Now was

654
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: it entertaining, yes, but the biting, the kneecap stuff. Still

655
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: don't understand it. You try to clarify it like three

656
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: different times. Still don't get it. Don't get it at all.

657
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: But that's not for me. He even said that it's

658
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: the first first locker room. If those guys like to

659
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: talk about bite kneecaps, more power to him. Um. But

660
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: I will say I think I like the staff he's

661
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: created that he's brought in um or whether that was

662
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: Ricks or Um sorry Chris Spielman who helped get him all.

663
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: I like the staff they brought in. I think Lynn

664
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: he's going to be a solid offensive coordinator. I think

665
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: he's worked with um young quarterbacks. So if that's the

666
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: draft choice, that we have some there and do Staley

667
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: and those two there can be a run game. So

668
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: I think DeAndre Swift that will be a solid pairing.

669
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: And you know, Aaron Glenn intrigues me on defense, just

670
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: given what the secondary in New Orleans did. So I'm

671
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: not I wasn't a huge fan of the name of

672
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: Campbell higher, but I'm willing to give him a chance

673
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: if he's going to be the guy that just says,

674
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: you know what, everyone I'm gonna take the spotlight and

675
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: you can go about and do your work and be

676
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: good coordinators. And this is what I'm looking for. But

677
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: you take it and run with it, then I'm fine

678
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: with it. Aren't Not many of those guys left the

679
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: kind of the overseer who's not really the expert on

680
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: one side. You know, even Tomlin basically is a defensive guy.

681
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I I'm a little

682
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: worried about their offense with Anthony Lynn and Induced Daley.

683
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: You just get the feeling from Chris Spielman and from

684
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell that it's like, we want to smash you know,

685
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: we wanna, you know, run the ball over. You want

686
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: to be a smash mouth offense, Like we want to

687
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: be physical. That that's all they're talking about, and that

688
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: that's all great. But you know, unless you draft Justin Herbert,

689
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: I'm I'm more worried about developing the passing game. Isn't

690
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: that also what essentially um Matt Patricia wanted on offense.

691
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you got you had like a forty three

692
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: year old Adrian Peterson running the ball five times a game.

693
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I also I'm willing to see like,

694
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: let's wait to see who the quarterback is and what

695
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: the other pieces. Obviously, DeAndre Swift is not a smash

696
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: mouth guy that's gonna get it, get the ball three

697
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: times up the middle um. But you know the Chargers

698
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: the last three years, I've been a past some first

699
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: team even this year with Herbert. So I'm willing to

700
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: say that I'm willing to give Anthony Lyns some leash

701
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: and say that he's gonna adapt. And that's the one

702
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: thing that Campbell said in his press conference that I

703
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: think you can take away. He wants to put our

704
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, what we do well against what you do

705
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: not well. You're our best on your weakest. So I

706
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: think that's gonna depend on where matchups come down, what

707
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: what happens with the wide receivers, of which are not

708
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: on basically not are under contract. So it's a complete

709
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: tear down and build up. So they can say all

710
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: they want right now about running the ball, passing the ball,

711
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: but you know, when you're gonna be down twenty to

712
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: nothing because your defense can't stop a feather in the wind,

713
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. And you know, like you talk about

714
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: where the organization has had end, Listen, it's a new dawn,

715
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: new leadership in the front office, new head coach. Um.

716
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about them. And you know, last year

717
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: the big move was they traded Darius Slay, their top cornerback,

718
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: and then they used the number three overall pick did

719
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: draft Jeff of Kuda. And you're trying to get better,

720
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: but it's like, how much better is the roster? Now

721
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna trade Matthew Stafford? And then I guess with

722
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: the number seven overall pick, you're gonna draft a quarterback.

723
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: But are you gonna get a guy that's much better

724
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: than Matthew Stafford? Is this organization? Do you think they're

725
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: they're equipped to make the decisions to actually turn this

726
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: thing around? Do you believe? Uh? And now, of course

727
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: you have John Dorrisey in the building who did some

728
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: good things with the Chiefs and then with the Browns,

729
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: but a lot of bad things too. That's why he's

730
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: no longer at those places. Do you trust this leadership? Um? So,

731
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: while I didn't really enjoy the Campbell selection, I did

732
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: and I did like the Holmes being a GM choice,

733
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: and I think bringing in Dorsey to back him up.

734
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: Just looking at what the Rams have done the stockpile

735
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: talent when we all thought a lot of us thought

736
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: that they would, you know, kind of hit the pavement

737
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: given the losses in free agency and such. But what

738
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: the rookies did coming up and what their drafts have been,

739
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: UM in the second area and on defense in the past,

740
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: I think that that's a he's gonna have a solid

741
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: voice in there, and so I'm more optimistic that. But

742
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: again it goes back to worship. This is a this

743
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: is a team that every four years, I mean Mark

744
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 1: knows as well. You keep start hitting the restart button

745
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: every four years, nothing's ever gonna go work. I think

746
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: that was the point of giving Campbell a six year

747
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: contract to kind of say, look, we're here in this

748
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: for the long haul, even if it blows up. Um.

749
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: But do I have faith that a team that in

750
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: my entire lifetime has never been good? Uh? I can't

751
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: have faith in that. I can have hope, that's all.

752
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: I hope they're they're at a low point. It is

753
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: interesting to think as you were going through it, and

754
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the roster not much, not much.

755
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: They're on defense, and then their best players like Goad, Yeah,

756
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: I got yeah, the o line is Gola Day is

757
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: a free agent like they they are as much in

758
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: a tear down situation as really any team in the

759
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: entire NFL right now, Well, when you're basically allowing during

760
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: the yeah, yeah, I mean Patrick, you have you grew up.

761
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure with other Lions fans around you, it seems

762
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: like obviously a fan base that has a good reason

763
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,959
Speaker 1: to be just you know, essentially agitated all the time.

764
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: But do you have that one fan friend out there

765
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: that's like, um, rose colored glasses NonStop thanks, the Lions

766
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: are always heading in the right direction, or is everyone

767
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: um essentially grumpy? Where is there are there any outliers? Uh?

768
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: There are very very few outliers. I would say I

769
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: might have one friend who's like, well, I can see that,

770
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: like willing to say the the you know, everything's great.

771
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: Every higher is going to work out. You know, I

772
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: can see it. But for the most part, um, you

773
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: know what's Midwesterners are politely uh skeptical. Mp I attempted

774
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: to jump on their bandwagon, you know, in August, and uh,

775
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, in any other scenario, the fans would be like,

776
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: we might not be great, but thank you, it'll be fun.

777
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: People were like agitated with me, like, you're an idiot.

778
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: This team is stupid. I've been following them for years.

779
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: Don't do this. This is a bad idea, And I

780
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: mean it was a bad idea. I had a friend

781
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: whose dad told him about ten fifteen years ago, please

782
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: stop being a Lions fan. Don't waste your life like

783
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: I've done with mine. That's kind of where we're at

784
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: as a fan base, like to not be a fan. So,

785
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the they weren't going in the right direction.

786
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: So maybe this is it. Maybe you hit the reboot

787
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: and you have the right leadership and you build a

788
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: roster and maybe maybe Patrick and maybe you build a superpower.

789
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: You never know. Yeah, you know, we're crazier. Things have happened, right,

790
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: I know all about it. You know the hope. All

791
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: you got is hope, and and maybe it turns around,

792
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: and this is the regime to do it, Patra, you

793
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: said it all. Anything else we need to know about

794
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: you right now? About me? You have a young family,

795
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: of course, now looks good. Thank you. I'm I'm constantly

796
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: watching a child crawl up down upstairs. That's my nine

797
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: year old is fascinated with crawling upstairs of which we

798
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: have a lot because our house is like built upwards.

799
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: Um so his favorite thing we live in Well yeah, yeah,

800
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: we live in Gates City currently, so just gates constantly

801
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: and whenever you gets to freezing. So I'm getting a

802
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: lot of exercise walking upstairs, not down them because I

803
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: gotta carry it back down because he looking here, the

804
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: hands of family is looking for a new lodging residents

805
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: and the only thing my my two sons want is

806
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: a house with stairs. And it's like, son, Los Angeles

807
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: real estate market, I cannot give that to you. You're

808
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: not getting. Yeah, well ours is a role of town homes,

809
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: so it's like you know, they squish them in so

810
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: they right, right, yeah. We we stayed at an airbnb

811
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: someone recently and it was like the kids ran into

812
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: that they have stairs. They shouldn't be this excited about that.

813
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: They also have like a ten month winner if you're

814
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: not in l A. So you know, come on, kids,

815
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: that's true, that's true. All right, Patrick Patrick, thanks for

816
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: joining us, buddy, Stay warm, stay healthy. App right there

817
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: he goes, Kevin coming at you. I listen, I've been

818
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: in that place with Patrick Patrick's atte right now. My

819
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: whole life. I feel like Mark, you can relate as well,

820
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: um you even when there are some warning signs. All

821
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: you can do is hope that maybe skeptics are wrong,

822
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, and and uh not that there's a ton

823
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: of skepticism. There is some around the Campbell higher but

824
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: I think maybe that was more surprised than the amount

825
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: of years they gave him. Um. But as I said

826
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: in a recent show, I don't worry about that as

827
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: much because if he stinks and it's not working, they're

828
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: gonna fire him. Eat the money anyway, probably and it's

829
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: not on your cap, but it is to use that

830
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: if that's indeed what Patrick was saying, like the part

831
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: of the reason he got six years is because they

832
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: want to show that they are um serious about this rebuild.

833
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, but what if it doesn't work.

834
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: You can't just keep going back and back and back.

835
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: But I mean, if anything, they've been too patient. There's

836
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: four or five teams out there, and there's a couple

837
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: in the NFC North that's just like they don't fire

838
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: the coach because of the money, and other teams where

839
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: the money is like the money is flowing, they might

840
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, cut cut the chord quicker. I think Cleveland.

841
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: One point was paying UM Rob Chatzinski for three separate

842
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: UM stops in Cleveland. So like like when things go

843
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: bad for these coaches and for these teams, I mean

844
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: they the owners a pain, like a staff of like

845
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: seventy different people from three different regimes. Ultra nightmare. All right,

846
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: good stuff, good show, good conversation. We'll be back on Thursday. Yeah,

847
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: we talked about Matt money Smith. He might even be

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Speaker 1: joining us, which should be fun. Always great to have

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Speaker 1: money on. And UM no network show this week, so

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Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about tuning into that. But

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Speaker 1: we will can start to build up. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if we usually do a show guys where we say

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Speaker 1: we're not allowed to use the super Bowl word. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's this Thursday show or if we're

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Speaker 1: gonna start ramping up a little bit. I don't know. Listen,

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Speaker 1: it's all stuff to work out. That's the that's the

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Speaker 1: fun part of it. For only three more shows until

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Speaker 1: the Super Only four more in this in this uh

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Speaker 1: somewhat cursed UM, but it's had its beautiful moments. Twenty season.

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Speaker 1: They're fair all right. This dad has a signing off

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Speaker 1: for Guide, stormed the old boss Ricky Hollywood Kevin patcha

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Speaker 1: who came right at you till Thursday. Ye M set