1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now moved the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: What's up everybody, DJ? Bucky here moved the sticks presented 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: by Zaxby's Buck. How you do man, Man, I'm good, 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm good. How's everything? Everything's good? Man. We got a 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: great show today. We've got one of our favorite guests. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: I think he's been on a handful of times and 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: every time he's uh, he's just been awesome. We've got 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: the number two team in the country, the Fighting and 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: the Notre Dame Fighting. Irish head coach Brian Kelly is 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: going to join us, so we've got a great chat 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: with him coming up. Um, But we've also got to 12 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: dig in a little bit to what we saw last 13 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: night and what was I'll say it the maybe one 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: of the uglier, most boring football games I've ever seen 15 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: between the Vikings and the Bears. Yeah, it wasn't a 16 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: great game to necessarily watch. I would say if you're 17 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: a fan of defensive football, you would love it. But 18 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was more antitude more than 19 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: it was defense football or bad offense. Um, DJ is funny. 20 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: The thing that stood out to me and I was 21 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: curious about this, and I wonder how this plays out 22 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: in the end. Matt Naggy. A lot of the conversation 23 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: leading up to the game was Matt Naggie handing over 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: the play calling duties to Bill Lason. And so we 25 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: saw the Bears play without Matt Naggie at the controls 26 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: and it looked a lot like the Bears with Matt Naggie. 27 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: And So, when you're a head coach and you're superpower 28 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: has been your play calling the ability, now what like 29 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: like like what is I mean, what is Batman without 30 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: the utility? Bill? What is iron Man without the suit? Like, like, 31 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: like what are you? And so it doesn't make you 32 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: even more exposed as a head coach when you don't 33 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: have that ability to call players and you're just kind 34 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: of standing there as the CEO managing the game. I mean. 35 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: The other thing is you can see it and we've 36 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: seen it. You know, look the Ravens did it in 37 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: two thousand and one of Super Bowl. We could talk 38 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: about you know, Brad Johnson and that Bucks team which 39 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: was really defensive driven. Um, but even you know, look 40 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: at those young Seahawk teams that were in Super Bowls. 41 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was ascending, and you know he had more 42 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: more to his game. But to try and win consistently 43 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: with average to below quarterback talent, I'm not gonna happen. Man. 44 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: You can have a year here or there where the 45 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: stars aligned, you played great defense, turnovers, special teams, and 46 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: you just kind of carry right along. You can have 47 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: those one offs. I mean, we saw it with the Broncos, 48 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: right they had Peyton with the first Super Bowl they 49 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: went to. He was you know, had a big year. 50 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: They end up winning the Super Bowl with him having 51 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: a really terrible year, but then he retired. That was it, 52 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: and the Broncos haven't been any good sense. They had 53 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: a lot of those same good defensive players there, you know, 54 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: a lot of those stame key offensive players, but they 55 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: haven't had quarterback play that's been above the standard. And 56 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: you you just can't consistently do that. The Bears had 57 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: that one great winning season, but the stars have not 58 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: aligned since. I think at a minimum, I think what 59 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: I'm learning now, at the minimum, your quarterback play has 60 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: to be at a B level somewhere in the bees. 61 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: And I would say B two B plus level B 62 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: minus is too close to the line, uh, because you 63 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: just can't get enough playmaking from the quarterback position. But 64 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: Jacksonville was a one off two. I mean Jacksonville, right, 65 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: So I wanted one great year but then that was it. Yeah, 66 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: and and and it's just hard. And the thing about 67 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,839 Speaker 1: it is if you have a B level quarterback, then 68 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: you have to have all the other things in place, 69 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: meaning you must have a dominant offensive line, a running 70 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: game so that the quarterback is minimized in terms of 71 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: his exposure, but still he still has to be able 72 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: to make three or four plays a game to get 73 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: you over the top. And uh, it is very, very 74 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: difficult if you're trying to just lean on the defense, 75 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: um without quarterback playing, without anything from the offense. I 76 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: think the thing about the Bears, and I have my 77 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: own theory because people will say, well, this runs kind 78 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: of because green Bait isn't built like this. But I 79 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: think in Chicago your team has to be built a 80 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: certain way. I think you have to be able to 81 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: be an A level defense, but I think you have 82 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: to be a power based football team, meaning your running 83 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: game is one that last the test, stands the test 84 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: of time. You can run against anybody. Everyone knows that 85 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: the run is coming you're big, your physical, you beat 86 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: people up, and you're play in a certain way. I 87 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: don't think you can play cute football in Chicago. I 88 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: just don't think the football guys will allow you to 89 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: be a team that is running trick plays and gadget 90 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: plays and all of this other stuff. When the DNA 91 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: of that football team, to me, has to be the 92 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: same d n A did I see from the Pittsburgh Stillers, 93 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens, um teams that play and co weather environments. 94 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: I think you just have to be built a certain way, 95 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: all right. I want to uh, I want to read 96 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: you the Justin Jefferson Report. Here a guy we talked 97 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: about a lot um. I like doing this because you 98 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: can see it. I didn't think this was I mean, look, 99 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: there's we all have missus. I've got a zillion of them. 100 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: But some some guys are not hard like some of 101 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: them are just easy. This was easy. We we talked 102 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: about this through the process. Justin Jefferson tall slender wide 103 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: out with off the charts production lines up in the 104 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: slot and out wide. An outstanding route runner does a 105 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: nice job getting on the toes of cornerbacks and creating 106 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: separation out of the break point, does a lot of 107 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: work in traffic and will extend and finish before taking 108 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: hard con tech. He can play above the rim down 109 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: the field, and he can contort his body to make 110 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: special catches. Doesn't have elite speed, but he's plenty fast 111 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: enough after the catch has some wiggle, will fight for 112 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: extra yards. Overall, Jefferson is a polished receiver and should 113 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: make an immediate impact at the next level. And I 114 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: know the year that Diggs has having Stefon Diggs is 115 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: is as good as it gets, playing as well or 116 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: better than any wide receiver in the NFL. But when 117 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: Jefferson was picked, I I remember specifically as having the 118 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: conversation and saying, I think justin Jefferson's production as a 119 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: rookie will exceed what Stefon Diggs production was the year before, 120 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: and he's on track to do it. He is, and 121 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's it's one of the rare 122 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: trades where it's a win win for both people. I 123 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: think Stefan Diz needed a change the scenery. The Buffalo 124 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: Bills needed a number one wide receiver that had his 125 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: skill set, and the Minnesota Vikings were able to find 126 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: I would say a clone, a twin, someone who could 127 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: do the same things in terms of his route running ability. 128 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson has quickly emerged as the number one receiver 129 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. And say that with all due respect to 130 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: Adam Thinner, because I think Adam Feeling is terrific as 131 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: a route runner and a playmaker, but there's something about 132 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: Justice that is just a little different. And Justin Jefferson's 133 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: ability to get open by wide margins consistently is eye opening. 134 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: And of all the wide receivers, the number ones that 135 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: have taken I think his impact has been more substantial 136 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: and significant on his team than others. And it's just 137 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: because he is man. He is an artist on the perimeter, 138 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: Payton masterpieces. When he sets people up. When you just 139 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: look at the replays of the one on one opportunities 140 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: that he gets on DPS and how he sets them 141 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: up and creates space and consistently catches the ball and 142 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: he can run after the catch, and he has toughness 143 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: everything DJ. I think it's easy to get caught up 144 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: in the wide receiver position and really evaluating the bells 145 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: and whistles when it really comes down to it, we 146 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: talk about this. Craftsman always endure over over the course 147 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: of time. Guy guys who can run routes, Guys who 148 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: have all of the other stuff, they find a way 149 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: to get open at this level, and we have to 150 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: really pay attention to the skills more so than the 151 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: traits when it comes to projecting how guys would succeed. Man, 152 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: the skilled guys are the ones that really have success 153 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: right away. It's interesting because I think there's there's cases 154 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: to me made where you can say you can have both. 155 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm looking at just looking at yard yardage leaders right now, 156 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: right Stefon Diggs number one was a polished craftsman. DeAndre 157 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: Hopkins is a little bit unique because he's a fifty 158 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: ball guy, right. He's a good route runner. He's not 159 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: an elite level a great route runner, but he catches everything. 160 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf straight line speed. Terry McLaurin, I would say 161 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: it's probably more of a craftsman. He's got speed, I 162 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: mean he's got four three speed, but a really good 163 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: route runner. Robby Anderson speed guy. So you see kind 164 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: of a mix here as you go through it. Justin 165 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: Jefferson craftsman, Allen Robinson, I think can do everything. Davante 166 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: Adams craftsman, d J. Moore is uh. I think he's 167 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: an excellent route runner as well. I mean he's got juice. 168 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: Keenan Allen craftsman, Tyler Lockett craftsman, Calvin Ridley, craftsman, Amori Cooper. 169 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean, so there are some speed guys mixed in there, 170 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: but to me, it's like to be the pure number 171 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: one you've got. You've got to get that guy because 172 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: now it's third down. Keenan Allen, I'm pretty sure he 173 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: leads the NFL and third down catches. And it ain't 174 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: because he's running by a lot of people. It's because 175 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: he's a polished craftsman. And and and I think it's 176 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: important to differentiate that, right, see, because sometimes we can 177 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: look at the stats and believe that everyone is built 178 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: to be a number one. And when we're talking about 179 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: the number one receiver, the guy who is the leader 180 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: of your passing game, that guy has to be a 181 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: He has to be able to defeat one on one coverage, 182 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: he has to be able to feed double teams, he 183 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: has to be able to get open versus all looks. 184 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: And so that is a different set of skills that 185 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: are required than a guy that is your big play artist. 186 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: And so when we talk about the number one is 187 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: who is the most fleet at the position, because that's 188 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: the guy who should earn the number one moniker. Can 189 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: he run brows? Can he consistently get open? Can he 190 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: be a chain mover? Can he do it inside and 191 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: outside meaning in between the numbers and in traffic, but 192 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: also outside where he has to run the comebacks and 193 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: those things. The number one receivers can do all of that. 194 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: Those other guys, they can excel in rolls, but their 195 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: roles have some limitations. And for DK Metcalf, like we 196 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: saw some of those limitations play out against the Rams 197 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: when he had to go against the Jalen Ramsey, and 198 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey could match his force with force, and then 199 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: it becomes a technical game. He doesn't necessarily have the 200 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: technical part of it that will enable you to consistently 201 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: win week after week against high end cornerbacks. Don't you 202 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: think the dream, though, is to be able to combine 203 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: the two. I think you can look at Seattle's got 204 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: a pretty accommodation. When you look at Mattcalf being able 205 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: to get up top and you and you look at 206 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: being able to work underneath um with locks, So that 207 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: to me is a good combination. I think Stefon Diggs 208 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: being complimented by a guy like John Brown who's a 209 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: vertical vertical player. That's why I look at some of 210 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: these other teams like Arizona, you know, Arizona being able 211 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: to add I know they've got Isabella and they've got 212 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, He's He's not at that level. But to 213 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: have an elite speed guy, I'm not talking about just 214 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: how fast you are, but a really good overall receiver 215 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: that has big time, big time juice. I think about 216 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: the Chargers with Keenan Keenan Allen. You know, Mike Williams 217 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: is fifty guy, but they don't have I mean, Jalen 218 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: guy has got juice, but they don't have a premier 219 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: speed guy like like with them, like a perfect pick 220 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: for them. In essence, we can't go back like Henry 221 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: Ruggs in that offense. Is the Charges need because what 222 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: you do is you put those guys on the same side. 223 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: Henry Rhoggs runs the clear, Kennan Alla comes Underneathan runs 224 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: the dig and the underneath stuff because he has more space. 225 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: I think when you're building the wide receiver going. We've 226 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: talked about like building a basketball team. You need the 227 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: point guard, you need to shooting guard, you need the 228 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: three and the stretch the three in dah someone that 229 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: can post up. You have to put it together and 230 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: you can't operate in a vacuum. So, for instance, we 231 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: talked about the Green Bay Packers and everyone has gotten 232 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: on them about Davante Adams and they need more help. 233 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: I think, from the outside looking in, I think it's 234 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: not necessarily that they need more help, but they need 235 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: guys that are slotted into roles that complement Davante Adams. 236 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: I thought MBS showed a little bit of that fine 237 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: so used that speed so he can be the speed guy, 238 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: and you're seeing Alan Lazard is more of the post 239 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: up guy. And so they need one more guy that 240 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: I would say is a catch and run specialist, someone 241 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: that can run the screen game to underneath stuff or whatever. 242 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: Because you have to have four guys, and those four 243 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: different skills must complement one another. But when you have 244 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: those guys, then it allows your quarterback to attack and 245 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: attack aggressively knowing get us a matchup game. Yep, No, 246 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: I think it's totally true. Um, all right, let's let's 247 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: get to our conversation. I'm looking and looking forward to this. 248 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: I think you guys are gonna really enjoy this. It 249 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: is the number two team in the country, it's Notre Dame, 250 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: a member of the a CEC. This year a little different. 251 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: The whole year has been different, which is gonna be 252 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of the theme of our conversation. But 253 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: here's our chat with Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly. Alright, 254 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: Buck excited to be joined by our friend Brian Kelly, 255 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: head coach and Notre Dame. Always love our visits with 256 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: him and coach. We love talking about culture and the 257 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: culture you've been able to build throughout your career. And 258 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: I saw your comments after the game, but they went 259 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: over Clemson. You talked about playing with focus and resolve, 260 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: and I thought about those times where we used to 261 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: visit back at Grand Valley way back in the day 262 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: on scouting visits, and I looked it up. After your 263 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: first National championship, you talked about resiliency right after that 264 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: game was over. I mean, has that resiliency, resolve, has 265 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: that been kind of one of the pillars of the program. 266 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: You've you've built. Yeah, I think you start with uh, 267 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: being consistent every day. And if you're consistent every day, 268 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: you build up that resiliency, that ability to overcome things 269 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: that you know can potentially steer you from being the 270 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: best that you can be. So it starts with a 271 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: consistent approach every single day. And and when you do that, um, 272 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: you build that grit, You build that resiliency because you've 273 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: done it every single day, you build great habits. You know. Coach, 274 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: another thing that has been synonymous with your programs outside 275 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: of resolve and resilience, has been toughness. How important is 276 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: it for you to not only identified in the players 277 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: that you recruit, but to make sure that everybody in 278 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: your program embodies that toughness when it comes to step 279 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: in between the lots. Well, you know, there's there's mental 280 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: toughness and this physical toughness, and I think they they 281 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: work hand in hand. Um. You know, I've had some 282 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: guys that are, you know, physically tough, but not mentally tough, 283 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: and they certainly, um have not been the best players 284 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: that we've had. And and then I've had some mentally 285 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: tough players that that couldn't handle it. Uh, when when 286 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: they were asked to perform a task. So what we 287 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: try to do is when we talked about our total 288 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: preparation of our football team, it's the physical, technical, tactical 289 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: and the mental preparation that gets our players UH to 290 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: that physical and mental toughness. So they are they are 291 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: hand in hand when we're developing our players UM and 292 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: you can't have one without the other. The mental and 293 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: the physical toughness work together. Coach, talk about development of 294 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: the players. How about development as a coach? You know, 295 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: for when you first that first year as a head 296 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: coach to where you are now, where do you think 297 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: you've made the most growth and most improvement? I would 298 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: say probably in the spending more time with the players 299 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: and getting to know how each player individually UM it 300 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: needs to find their own UH space and their own 301 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: UM mental control, emotional control UM where where you need 302 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: to push the right buttons to get the most out 303 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: of them. You can't paint with a broad brush when 304 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: it come still all of your players, each one of 305 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: them is unique and different in itself, and so you 306 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: can have basic tenants in your program in terms of 307 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: what your process, what your process is, and what your 308 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: culture is but still each individual player, you've got to 309 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: know them individually and and how you work with them. UM. 310 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: Some of them need a lighter touch than others, and 311 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: you've got to be prepared to do that and and 312 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: spend more time with them. Others don't need much time 313 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: at all with it. They just need maybe a look 314 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: um or tap on the shoulder. And so I think 315 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: that's probably the biggest thing that I've learned, is that 316 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: you can set up your process, you can set up 317 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: your culture, but the individuals themselves need that special attention 318 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: to you know, coach. Is funny that you mentioned the 319 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: special attention and the the individual relationships that you have 320 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: to deal with your team. I think this spring has 321 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: been unlike anything that we've seen in terms of what's 322 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: the and on in the country and players and the 323 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: player in power powerment movement. UM. How have you been 324 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: able to kind of navigate all the different challenges and 325 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: circumstances of the spring to get your team really to 326 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: be together and unify? Well, I think you You've got 327 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: to make sure that their voice is heard. UM, give 328 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: them a platform, make sure that they understand that, uh, 329 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to voice UM what their concerns 330 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: are UM and certainly that they can make choices as 331 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: to UM how they use that voice. UM. So I 332 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: think it's important as educators, as teachers, and look, I'm 333 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: in an institution of higher learning that we give those 334 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: young men an opportunity to to have their voice heard. Um. 335 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely crucial. If we don't do that, 336 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: then you know, why are we in the business that 337 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: that we're in. I think once they feel that and 338 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: understand that you're true about that, then then then there 339 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: they're in a position where they can use their own 340 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: platform to decide what they want to do, whether they 341 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: want to vote, whether they want to be, you know, 342 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: involved in the community at different levels. Then that's their choice. 343 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: You know, they can make that, but they have to 344 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: know that they they have a voice and it will 345 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: be heard in your program. Coach, I'd be curious just 346 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: the first message you had with your team when you 347 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: got them back on campus. I know that there's been 348 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: a period of time where everything was kind of remote there, 349 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: but just that first meeting where you got everybody together, 350 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: what was your messages? You're getting ready to embark on 351 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: this season. You don't have to be here. This is 352 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: gonna be really hard, really really hard, um, because we're 353 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna have some sometimes that that you really will 354 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: have to look at playing this game and and you're 355 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: gonna have to love it because you're gonna have to 356 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: give up so much this season to continue to play. 357 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: And I mean, um, it will be a priority. Outside 358 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: of your academics. You will not have much else going on. 359 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna have to give up all the 360 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: things that you used to giving up that you haven't 361 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: given up before in college. So, UM, if this isn't 362 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: for you, um take the opt out right now, because 363 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: this is this is gonna be really difficult. So let's 364 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: get that straight right now. You know, coach, I'm curious 365 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: because haven't navigated these circumstances and being able to get 366 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: off to a solid start, how are you forever be 367 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: changed in terms of your coaching style to your preparation 368 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: when all of the dust settles and we go back 369 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: to maybe a more normal existence as college football and 370 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: a college coach. Um, well, I think there's a number 371 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: of things administratively, um, that that we can do with 372 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: less we had become you know, the arms race, and 373 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: it was fluff. It was way more than we needed. 374 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: I remember my days back at Grand Valley State. You know, 375 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: I learned how to do the laundry in figurative way. 376 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 1: So UM. You know, I just think I think that 377 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: we can streamline things here, and I think it's a 378 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: good thing, UH in college football that we can we 379 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: can take away some of those layers because it puts 380 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: you much more engaged with your players on a day 381 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: to day basis. UM. I just think it this has 382 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: opened us up to listening more UM and not having 383 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: so many layers. UM. You don't have to go through 384 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: three or four people. Go right to the head coach. 385 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: If you've got an issue, go right to the coordinator, 386 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: go right to those people that can make a difference. 387 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: And I think that this situation that we're in UM 388 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: has opened up in a crazy way, even though we're 389 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: zooming all the time, UH with your group, it's it's 390 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: opened up lines of communication. I think that's been a 391 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: really positive thing. Coach, you think this all this UH 392 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: turmoil and all the challenges this year, is this has 393 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: this built culture or is this revealing culture when you 394 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: look around the landscape. I think that's for you guys 395 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: to decide. I think your smile kind of said what 396 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: I was thinking there. But I mean, look, I look 397 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: at a place where you've been. I look at Cincinnati 398 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: and I think of the pillar of that program that 399 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: you helped build. There was toughness. I look at Ohio State, Alabama, 400 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: I look at Notre Dame. To me, like, you guys 401 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: all share something in common in terms of just the toughness, 402 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: the greediness, whatever word you want to use. But I 403 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: see the teams that are thriving during this time, and 404 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: I think a lot of you guys have some things 405 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:31,239 Speaker 1: in common. Well, it's it requires a discipline, and it 406 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: requires somebody that m has clearly been in a program 407 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: where details matter. Attention to detail UM is probably something 408 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 1: that if you don't have it UM, you have not 409 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: done well in this environment. Because UM to the letter UM, 410 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: it is six ft. I mean, it is a mask. Uh. 411 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: It is all the things that we've seen and have 412 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: heard nationally and locally about how you keep this virus 413 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: at bay, you better be on it. And so those 414 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: that are disciplined having attention to detail UM have been successful. 415 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: But look, I said, I said this from the very beginning. 416 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: I said, you know, in a vacuum I think we 417 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: all could come together and say that's the best looking 418 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: team you know that I've seen for one game. But 419 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: this year is not about one game. This year is 420 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: about how you've handled yourself off the field on the 421 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: field over a long period of time. We've already played 422 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: eight games. That's a big ten schedule. Already, we've already 423 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: played eight games, and that's that's gonna stand up in 424 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: terms of its longevity, in terms of being able to 425 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: handle it mentally and physically as a football team. We've 426 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: done some pretty good things up to this point. We 427 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: still got a lot of work to do. But um, 428 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to making decisions on who 429 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: are the best teams, I think you're gonna bringing some 430 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: of those other factors as well. You know, Coach, this 431 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: is interesting because we've had a private conversation about things 432 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: that you've learned during your time and Notre Dame and 433 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: I want to go back to two thousand, two thousand thirteen, 434 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: you guys played Alabama in the National Championship Game, and 435 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: I remember we kind of talked about how recruiting change 436 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: for you after that in terms of just making sure 437 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: that you built a team that was everlasting can you 438 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about, like maybe how you've evolved 439 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: as a coach and as a program since that championship game. Well, 440 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: my whole career was built on, you know, obviously putting 441 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: fans in the stands, winning games and creating excitement. But 442 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: you know that wasn't gonna win a national championship. Notre Name. 443 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: What was gonna win a national championship and Notre Dame 444 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: was was controlling the line of scrimmage, and and so 445 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: it became it becomes a you know, obviously a change 446 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: in the way you view um building your program. So 447 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: we went off to build a stronger, more physical, uh 448 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: football team, uh in the trenches. I think we've done 449 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: that over the UM the test, looking at the offensive 450 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: lineman that we've produced into the NFL, UM and and 451 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: are still on that charge of building a physical football 452 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 1: team on both sides of the wall and adding speed 453 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: on defense. UM. Now, I know those aren't glamorous, but 454 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: I couldn't be glamorous anymore. I needed to figure out 455 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: how we were gonna win a national championship. And those 456 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: are the components that we had to put together at 457 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Coach, we look at the quarterback position. Ian books, 458 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: he's having a great year. Um, but we talk about 459 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: this all the time, just with the you know what 460 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: the NFL is looking for at the position. And be honest, 461 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,719 Speaker 1: I mean that the Philip Rivers, the the Peyton Mannings, 462 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: the Tom Bradys, they're kind of the dinosaurs. We're not 463 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,719 Speaker 1: really gonna see those guys enter the league anymore. You've 464 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: got to be able to move when you're when you're 465 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: going through that recruiting process, what's your threshold on athleticism. 466 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you don't necessarily need to have 467 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, but what's that kind of acceptable threshold for 468 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: you with that position? Yeah, he still has to be 469 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: able to avoid Uh, it's got to have some form 470 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: of escapability, Uh, to keep a play alive. Um, Look, 471 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: we're nobody's reinventing offense. I mean, so those those players 472 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: are gonna get scratched out pretty quickly. And and so 473 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: you've got to be able to create a little bit. Um, 474 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: you don't have to be Jackson and uh have that 475 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: kind of speed, but you have to have a capability. 476 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: So when we're talking about look, I don't even know 477 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: how you label him anymore, right, you know, post style quarterbacks. 478 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: Quarterback me, he's got to be able to keep a 479 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: play alive. And and he's got to throw strikes. I 480 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: don't care if he's got the strongest arm in America. 481 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: He's got to throw strikes. And and obviously what I 482 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: mean by that he's got he's got to have accuracy. Um. 483 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: And and then finally, if they all could be grown 484 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: on a farm somewhere, they'd all be three plus. But 485 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: we you know, we don't. We don't get that if 486 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: they have to have a high football like you. UM, 487 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: if you gave me those three things to work with, 488 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: then then we got a chance. You know, I'd like 489 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: some of the other things, but high football like you, um, 490 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: the escapability to keep plays alive, um and and and 491 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: certainly you know, from our perspective, where we've really made um. 492 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 1: You know, I think the kind of strides necessary is 493 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: with the in book is is a high completion opportunity. 494 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: The guy throw strikes the guy he puts the ball 495 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: on it. You know, coach, this kind of goes with that. 496 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna bring it and expanded to all positions. Uh, 497 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: we had such a time. They're in youth force where 498 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: everything is about specialization. But it appears that the best 499 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: players at the highest levels of guys that were multi 500 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: sport athletes when you're recruiting where they are quarterback or 501 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: other positions. How much does that factor into your evaluation. Well, 502 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: I make the final decisions on the quarterback. Um, I 503 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: make the final decisions on the offensive lineman everybody. That's 504 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: why it's hard for for me to leave a place 505 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: like Notre Dame because you know, I I set the roster, 506 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: I can stroll the salary. You know I'm the GM 507 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 1: uh uh. So at the end of the day, I 508 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: love seeing, you know, those guys that play other sports 509 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: because they're competing. Um, when we talked about it at 510 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: the outset here, I'm looking for those guys that have 511 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: that mental and physical toughness that you can see because 512 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: we don't get an opportunity to see him play in 513 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: person in football. So if I can see him play basketball, 514 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: if I can see him play another sport with my 515 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: own eyes and I can see his body language and 516 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: see how we reacts to success or failures, that's gonna 517 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: help me a long way in the decision making process. 518 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: That leads me right into the question and I've seen 519 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: the Quenton Nelson basketball highlights. Coach, did you get to 520 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: see him play basketball? And the person? What was your 521 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: what was your scouting report on him as a hoopster? Uh? 522 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: It was exactly what it should have been. He fouled 523 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: out in the first half, cap box if he left 524 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: with any files, Uh, that would have been an issue 525 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: as an offense. Uh, Coach, I kind of want top 526 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: up with this because I think this is unique. You 527 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: guys are an independent and you flourished an independent SCUS 528 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: this year. You guys are playing in the A C C. 529 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: How unique has debt been to prepare for a conference 530 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: schedule when you guys have operated kind of on your 531 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: own volition for so long, it has been unique. Um. 532 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: You know, first and foremost, you know, we have never 533 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: played for, you know, a conference championship, so usually it's 534 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: been you know BCS or bust. Right, So, you know, 535 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: having a focus on a conference championship has has changed 536 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: the narrative a little bit, you know, and in the 537 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: way we go about things. UM, having consistency and the 538 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: opponent is a bit different for us. We're always seeing 539 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: somebody different new schemes. Not a lot of film, UM, 540 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: so having a familiar look at our opponents UM has 541 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: been you know, actually a positive for us in terms 542 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: of knowing what we're gonna get UM because it's always 543 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: something new. Not playing the academies, which I love, UM. 544 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: You know, they're so difficult to defend. UM. You know 545 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: that's that's a blessing because you have to then change 546 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: and go back to traditional um, you know, offensive sets. 547 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: So there's been a big change for us, But I 548 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: think the biggest one is our guys focused on winning 549 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: a championship within you know, going for a BCS title, 550 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: just a couple more. Coach, you've been generous with your time. 551 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: We appreciate it. I'd be curious I haven't worked with 552 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: with Andy Read with the Eagles back back in the 553 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: day and seeing what he's done throughout his career in 554 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: terms of being able to steal plays from gosh, coach 555 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: will go back to the fifties and find a play 556 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: from a Rose Bowl and inserted. Have you ever taken 557 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: a play from a high school game when you're watching 558 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: a high school kid said, you know what, I know, 559 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm paying attention to the kid, but I kind of 560 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: like that little play right there. Have you ever stolen 561 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: from the high school level. Um. You know, I can't 562 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: remember if I've stolen from a high school level. But 563 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, there are some really innovative schemes, um, that 564 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: I have seen from high schools. Um offensively um. And 565 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: there are many high school coaches that that I would hire. 566 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: You know, at Cincinnati, UM, I hired Carry Combs. Who's 567 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying front in the NFL is the 568 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: d C at Ohio State. So I have a great 569 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: deal of respect. I don't know if I particularly took one, 570 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: but there's such great coaching at the high school ranks. 571 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: And what they're doing today offensively, Um, they probably got 572 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: smarter guys uman than me in terms of what they're doing. 573 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: Have you is there is there a program, a program there, 574 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: or another offense that maybe over the last couple of 575 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: years in the off season you found your self studying. 576 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: It could be college NFL. Is that what's intrigued you offensively? Um? 577 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: You know for us it's it's usually red zone plays, 578 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: two point plays, because you know, you you really have 579 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: to be creative in that short field, right you know, 580 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: you're you're in a condensed environment. You're really trying to 581 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: free up your playmakers. You know, it's a penalty play, right, 582 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: You're trying to get your playmakers, you know, in a 583 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: position where they can score. And so you know, we 584 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: do a lot of you know, we get all of 585 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: the NFL films, you know, through our relationship with the NFL. 586 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: So in in our off season we do as much 587 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: NFL cut ups, um and and really study a lot 588 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: of the red zone two point place situations because they're 589 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: great third down, fourth down, uh place for you that 590 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: you can carry in your inventory. So I think there's 591 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: a lot of those plays that we we love to 592 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: look at and have stolen probably several of them, you know, coaches. 593 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: And so I want to go back to something you 594 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in the conversation. You talked about guys having 595 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 1: to pay attention to details on how that has been 596 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: exposed now, but you also say that having been at 597 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: places with fewer resources, or having been at a different 598 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: level where you didn't have everything available to you, that 599 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: has prepared you to kind of be at a maybe 600 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: a better coach at this point in your career at 601 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Can you talk a little bit more about, 602 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: like I don't see how guys need to earn their strikes, 603 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: but the benefit of having to do it at lower 604 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: levels before you get that prime head coaching job on 605 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: the major stage. Well, I think there's a couple of things. 606 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: The first thing that I would point out is is 607 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: how integral your support staff is if if you don't 608 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: really recognize the jobs that your support staff doesn't. And 609 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: when I say support staff, from the equipment manager to 610 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: what's going on with your medical staff, and how intricral 611 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: your medical staff is to um morale and how your 612 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: kids feel about how they're being treated, to your strength 613 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: and conditioning staff in terms of you know what's going 614 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: on there. Um Having been so involved than all of 615 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: those things in my career because I had to be UM, 616 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: I think when you're talking about putting together a functional 617 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: program that support staff because they have such a high 618 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: touch with your players, if you don't have that right, 619 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of issues. And so I 620 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: think sometimes when you're almost appointed to these positions of 621 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: being a head coach and you haven't been in the 622 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: trenches with all of those other support staff, sometimes the 623 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: air comes out of the tire there and it doesn't 624 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: come out where the XS and those are and you 625 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: don't know it until it's too late. Coach, I feel 626 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: like I gotta ask you this, Uh, when you look 627 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: at the success you had the Division two level, now 628 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: you look at the success you've had the highest level 629 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: here at the Division one level. A program that you've 630 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 1: built and put in place, a philosophy that's worked at 631 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: the Division two level, the Division one level. I'm not 632 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: asking if you've ever take an NFL job, but is 633 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: at least there's curiosity there to see to take that 634 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: up to the highest level and institute it and get 635 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: a chance to compete at that level. Yeah, there was, UM, 636 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, probably a few years back, you know, because 637 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: you know you're you're you get a chance to uh 638 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: coach and UM put together the greatest players that play 639 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: this game. UM. But I'm kind of past that. UM, 640 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, UM, I'm at a point now 641 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: where I would like to control all those things. And 642 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: you know, you're at a point where you have your 643 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: program at a point where, UM, you know your process 644 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: every single day, UM, doing it the right way is 645 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: going to be successful. And UH, it would be hard 646 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: for me not to control my roster. Uh, me to 647 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: not control all of the things that that go to wing. Um. 648 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: So I'm pretty happy where I'm at right now. That's 649 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: a pretty good gig, Coach. When you're doing a heck 650 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: of a job, man. Eight No, and uh and on 651 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: your way here in a conference, it's all everything is different, man. 652 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: But you guys have handled it beautifully. And uh, I 653 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,719 Speaker 1: think this is the fourth or fifth time you've you've 654 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: joined us here and every time we take pages full 655 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: of notes and we learned something. So thank you so much, coach. 656 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: Best to luck the rest of the way. Good seeing 657 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: you guys again. Take care of Thanks for having me 658 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: on well Buck He's uh, He's somebody I just really 659 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: enjoy talking to. We've got the chance to do this 660 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: a handful of times. But with with Coach Kelly, I 661 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: feel like somebody it's it's authentic. I feel like we 662 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: get to know him. I don't think there's any false 663 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: pretense here. I feel like this is exactly who he is. 664 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: Very comfortable in his own skin. Yeah, I think he's 665 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: very comfortable. And I think the thing that stands out 666 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: DJ because we are fortunately that we have access to 667 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: so many great coaches that we're able to talk to 668 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: coaches and we're able to kind of do the compare 669 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: and contrast and see the common denominators. I think the 670 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: common denominator that Brian Kelly has with great coaches is 671 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: he has a very clear vision for who he is 672 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: as a leader and who his program, like, where the 673 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: program is, and what it represents. And I think that 674 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: that that stands out. And I think because he's been 675 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: able to have success everywhere that he is being along 676 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: the way, he is unrelenting in his belief in his system. 677 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's refreshing because I think it comes 678 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: out in his conversation. Well, let's dig into the NFL 679 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: side of this, because I thought there were some interesting 680 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: answers in there. Um, he talked early on I think 681 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: you would ask him the question, and he talked about, 682 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, having that uh, you know, having control of 683 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: the whole process. He likes being able to be the 684 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: general manager. And I almost thought like he was kind 685 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: of hinting at the fact of, you know, hey, if 686 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: if you're gonna come calling, and then I'm gonna need 687 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: the full the full power here, I mean the GM, 688 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: the head coach if an NFL team would be interesting. 689 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: That's why I followed it up and asked him at 690 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: the end, you know what, do you ever want to 691 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: scratch that itch? And he basically said no, He said 692 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: that that time has come, uh and gone. So I 693 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: thought that was pretty fascinating. Yeah, I think it is fascinating. 694 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: I think with a lot of these guys, like when 695 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: you look at the top coaches, you look at Debbo 696 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: and you look at Nick Saban, and you look at 697 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: what Ryan Day is building or is is in charge 698 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: of it. OHI your state, I think you almost kind 699 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: of have to have that that power. And I think 700 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: with success comes more power and more of an opportunity 701 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: to put your your your stamp on how the program 702 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: operates from top to bottom and know how it goes, 703 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,959 Speaker 1: and really being able to clearly get what you want 704 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: from everybody and everything, um within the program. And so yeah, 705 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: I think he gets it. I think he understands it 706 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: at a high level. That's it. I believe he is 707 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: very prepared and well equipped to make a jump to 708 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: the National Football League if he desires to do so. 709 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: I think being the head coach at Notre Dame has 710 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: given him kind of some of that that NFL experience, 711 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: the NFL field, UM, And so I certainly think that 712 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: he can handle a big time job. Um, if he 713 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: decided to make that move to the NFL, I think 714 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: the circumstances would have to be right, and I think 715 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: he certainly would have to pair up with the right 716 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,919 Speaker 1: personnel people. But I do believe that he is well 717 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: prepared to make the move if he ever decided to 718 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: do something. So's something he's said in here that I 719 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: thought was great. And if you're looking to hire a coach, 720 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, if you're an NFL general manager, I know 721 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of them listening to the show here, um 722 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: to me when you look at the checklist of what 723 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: you want and head coach, I'm adding something based off 724 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: what coach Kelly said, because he mentioned the most important 725 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: thing he's learned was the importance of being able to 726 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: relate to each individual player, to be able to know 727 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: what they need, what's required, and to be able to 728 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: meet those needs and requirements. And I thought it echoed, Uh, Mark, 729 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: you know Mark Brady, our producers said in the in 730 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: the chat that sounded a lot like Dave Roberts, Right, 731 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts talking about touching each individual player on that 732 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: Dodger's team to make sure that where they are, and 733 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: it's just having that open dialogue and a good relationship individually. 734 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, the era of the aloof coach, 735 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: the era of somebody that's just gonna sit back there 736 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: and say, oh, I've got this miraculous scheme, or we're 737 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: gonna just go beat everybody in the national football like 738 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: that's over. That's out, and it's over. And you better 739 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: be able to communicate and relate to these players individually. 740 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: And that is a very important skill. And that's why 741 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: you know the things that we hear. I know, the 742 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: winds aren't there yet, but you can see the culture 743 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 1: that's building in a place like Carolina with Matt Rule, 744 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: who we know very well and what he's all about, 745 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: who's a who's a up to that philosophy. Andy Reid 746 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: for his entire career has been somebody that's taken an 747 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: individual interest in all of his players. You know, haven't 748 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: been around coach so um to me, I I thought 749 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: that was that's not that's non negotiable for your next 750 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,479 Speaker 1: head coach. He better have that skill set. He better 751 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: at the skill set. And I think like and I 752 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: think for so long people that have derided the skill 753 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: set and thinking that a quote unquote players coach can't win. 754 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: It's not about being um the guy that is super softy, 755 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: and you allowed the players to do whatever it is 756 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: they want. Is I can get more out of you 757 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: if I really know what makes you tick. And now 758 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: that I know what makes you tick, I can push 759 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: you harder and demand more because you know that I'm 760 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: coming to you from a place of love as a 761 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: instead of a place of oh I'm demeaning and I'm 762 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: trying to really just embarrass you. And I think most 763 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: players respond to that. I think I think that's true 764 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: in life and all walks of life. Did Yeah, I 765 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: just think if I know that the people that I'm 766 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: working with or working for were really care about me 767 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: and have my best interests at heart, oh well, then 768 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: I can take some criticism. I can take um whatever 769 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: it is they may challenge me to do, because I 770 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: know ultimately they want to see me at my best. 771 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: And I think Brian Kelly has learned it. But I 772 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: think he has learned that through experience, through spending years 773 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: and years working on the craft and being in charge 774 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: of young men. I think Matt Rules said he'd had 775 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: a sketch in his schedule every day. He would schedule 776 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: individual player meetings every single day throughout the whole calendar year, 777 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: or at least he's having at least a couple of 778 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: guys come through one on one, get to know him, 779 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: what's going on, Hey, what's going on in your life? 780 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: You know, even just getting to know him on a 781 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: personal level, because sometimes that a lot of times that 782 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: can have impact on your performance. So I don't know, 783 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: I think that's not that's not just a college level thing. 784 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: That's an NFL level thing, you know. I think that's 785 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: I think it's an NFL level thing. And I think 786 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: the more that um you invest in your players in 787 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: terms of time and attention, uh, giving them the communication, 788 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: I think the better the thing is. I think it 789 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: was funny something that you brought up, and he snicked 790 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: and smiled because I think you touched on something that 791 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: he knows looking at others when you asked him, coach, 792 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: do you believe this has been a culture builder or 793 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: a culture revealer? And he automatically kind of jumped to O, no, No, 794 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: This lets you know exactly who you are and what 795 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: you're about. And I think he takes pride in that 796 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: because we've seen some notable programs fall apart this year, 797 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: um in the midst of the pandemic, where you've seen 798 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: others have thrived and flourished in spite of all the 799 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: uncertainty of whatever. And I think it does have a 800 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,760 Speaker 1: lot to do with the culture that's been established and created. 801 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: He mentioned the importance of attention to detail, and he 802 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: was talking about it in terms of dealing with COVID, 803 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, six ft apart mask all the different details 804 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: you've gotta follow up. I think it also speaks to 805 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: the overall culture of the program and every little detail matters. 806 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 1: And I think, look, we say, oh, recruiting classes, I 807 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: can show you some teams that have had really good 808 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: recruiting classes aren't win a lot of football games right now. 809 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: So I can show you other places where they are 810 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: built the right way and attention to detail matters and 811 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: they're thriving. So I know what the answer was to 812 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: the question, Buck, but I want to see how he 813 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: was how he were rear to it, and uh, he 814 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: kind of chuckled a little bit, but then he got 815 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: into the reasoning and I think it's, uh, it's pretty 816 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 1: obvious there one of the things I wanted to hit on. 817 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: I love talking to guys about the quarterback position, and 818 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to piggyback on our previous conversation we had 819 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: a couple episodes ago talking about athleticism. We went back, 820 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: We went through all thirty two starting quarterbacks and graded 821 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: their athleticism A to F and basically came up with 822 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: the threshold of of where you need to be um 823 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: athletically to be able to compete. You've got to be 824 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: able to the way we described it. You know, get 825 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: if you can just be you have to account for 826 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: them in the zone read game, at least account for 827 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: him maybe every now and then you pull it once 828 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: or twice a game you have five seven yards whatever. 829 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: But also the escapability I thought coach Kelly hit home on, 830 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: which is what Urban Meyer we talked to him about. 831 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 1: If you can't make a free man miss, you can't 832 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: play quarterback in the NFL anymore. You can't. You're not 833 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: gonna have five Hall of Famers blocking for you. You're 834 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: gonna have run through is, You're gonna have mistakes. If 835 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: you can't occasionally make somebody miss back there and extend 836 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: to play, you've got no shot so I thought that 837 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: was interesting. No, it is very interesting, and I think 838 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: it's something that UM we have to continue to monitor 839 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: and we have to continue to talk about as it 840 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: relates to the draft. And I think unfortunately, guys who 841 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: are more statuesque in their performance, they will have to 842 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: be like I mean, I can't even say you have 843 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: to be an A plus in all other aspects. I 844 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: just think it's too hard to play with those guys. 845 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: And I think as talented as you may be as 846 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: a pocket passer, if you don't have the ability to 847 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: move and before people at me on Twitter like no, no, one, 848 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: that we're not talking about being a runner. We're talking 849 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: about being able to have functional athleticism where the threshold 850 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: is can you get five just seven yards if we 851 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: pull the ball on the zone read once or twice 852 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 1: a game. That's where we're asking. We're asking you to 853 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: have enough athleticism to maneuver and to be credible on 854 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: the perimeter. If you're incredible, it just makes it hard 855 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: because the athletes that are playing edge rusher, defensive tackle, 856 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: they're overwhelming offensive lineman and you just can't think I 857 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: won't put a fortuns in front of this guy, and 858 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: he's going to be protected and able to function. And 859 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: the thing that when I mentioned this on Twitter, people 860 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: oh what about Mac Jones at Alabama? Look, Alabama is 861 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: an outlier. It's an outlier. But if you want to 862 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: ask what what the you know how that offense really 863 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: got cranked up. I got cranked up once they started 864 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: getting guys that can move around back there because the A. J. 865 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,400 Speaker 1: McCarron's and all those guys they won championships, had good teams. 866 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: But in terms of the offense take to another level. 867 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: You saw what happened when TWA. When TWA got in there, 868 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: you saw even with Jalen Hurts early on, just it 869 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 1: changed the explosiveness of that offense. Mac Jones right now 870 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: is playing with far superior players to everybody they line 871 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: up against. So he's had a lot of success, but 872 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL it's a level playing field. Man, You're 873 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,479 Speaker 1: not gonna be You're not gonna have that talent gap 874 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: every week. It's it's it's right here. So if you 875 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: can't get away from from some pressure, you're gonna have 876 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: a tough time. Yeah, that's why his evaluation will be interesting. 877 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: It'd be interesting in terms of how us created do 878 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 1: we give to him? How much creator do we give 879 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: to the supporting staff? Because we are we already know, 880 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: um what is around him at White Receiver. And I 881 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: know people say, hey, we're too ahead all those guys 882 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,879 Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow had all those guys. I said, yeah, 883 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: but individually, you have to be able to spot and 884 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 1: the value what the skill set to you can't value 885 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: with the stat the talent. And so when we dig 886 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: into it, and I'm gonna be quite honest, I haven't 887 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 1: dug into mac Jones. I haven't either. I haven't either. 888 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 1: But but when we dig into him, it will be 889 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: interesting to see if we believe his individual talents transcend 890 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,479 Speaker 1: where he's at at Alabama. Could he do those same 891 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: things if he was at a different place, if he 892 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: was at Arizona, if he was somewhere else, um, wiscond like, 893 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: could he do the same stuff and have the same 894 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: kind of success. Yep, we'll uh again, we'll dig into 895 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: that and the evaluation process of anybody's curious. I'm an 896 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 1: offensive lineman right now. I'm just kind of plowing through 897 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Um as we go and holidays, the holidays, 898 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: like this is the perfect time to do it, because 899 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 1: you see what happens to me looking at offensive lineman 900 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,880 Speaker 1: and those guys. The big guy is like if you 901 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,800 Speaker 1: have a little a little Thanksgiving dinner, little gravy, look gravy, 902 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 1: a little full the the clickers kind of running, kind 903 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: of going through it, like this is the perfect time 904 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 1: to watch those guys because the other guys you want 905 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: to watch when you're full of year. You want to 906 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: see the hig you want to see the touch tape. 907 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: You want to you want to get at it. So 908 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: I understand, I understand your approach, understand the mythology. Get 909 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: those linemen done. Um, all right, man, is there anything 910 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: else you want to add, Hairbuck before we bounce out here? No, 911 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: I mean this is a great conversation. I am always 912 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: thankful we were able to get some of the best 913 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 1: and brightest minds in football, uh to join us, and 914 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly certainly is that. I'm I'm excited to watch 915 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: this team continue to kind of chase the national championship. 916 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: We hope that they uh stumble a little bit though 917 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: when they see those starters in a couple of weeks. Um, 918 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: I do want to mention NFL dot Com slash MTS prototype, 919 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: So you know, you know that like the the Hair 920 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: Club commercials where they say I'm not only the president, 921 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm also a client. Yeah. Uh, as as I'm getting 922 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: ready and as I've been plowing to these offensive linemen, 923 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: listening to our position prototype series is a good way 924 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,439 Speaker 1: to do that. So if you're at home, if you're 925 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: if you're evaluating and you want to be a scout 926 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: or what have you. I think this is a great resource. 927 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash MTS prototype. We go through each 928 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: of these positions, um, and we talked to some great guests, 929 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: some Hall of fame players, hall of fame coaches about 930 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 1: how you evaluate these positions. So it's great. It's a 931 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 1: good exercise. I like to watch guys by positions. So 932 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,280 Speaker 1: as you start watching the offensive Linement, listen to the episode. 933 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,240 Speaker 1: You'll hear Howard mud On there, who unfortunately has passed 934 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: since passed away, but a legendary coach. Um. He does 935 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: a great job of breaking down things to look for. 936 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 1: And uh, I think it can be helpful, you know, 937 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: I think it's always good. And I think just because 938 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 1: you've been in a value way that you always are 939 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: learning and so sometimes you need those refreshers to keep 940 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: you on your toes and really to keep your your 941 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 1: skill sets sharp, no doubt. All right, well that's gonna 942 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: do it for us today. Again, I want to thank 943 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: our pal David Singer for booking the great guest there, 944 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: and Brian Kelly. I know we've got some other on 945 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 1: the horizon here, so appreciate you guys hanging with us. Uh. 946 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,840 Speaker 1: The Bill once again a great job producing the show 947 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: as well as the big Boss, Mark Brady. Appreciate everybody, 948 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 1: and we'll see you next time right here on Move 949 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 1: the Sticks presented by Zaxby's