WEBVTT - We Visit The Tech Industry's Scary Vision for the Future 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:14.040 Ah, welcome back to it could happen me all that's horrible. 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:19.480 You didn't like that, Garrison, Well, they can all be winners. Uh. 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:23.320 This is part I Guess three of our coverage of 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:27.680 the Consumer Electronics Show and what the tech industry has 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:32.240 in store for all of us in the future. Um. 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.120 Last episode we talked about the stuff we saw at 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.400 CS that was both cool and optimistic and spoke to 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.959 some some potentially positive trends in tech. And today we're 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.040 going to get back to what we do best, which 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.440 is making you feel bad. But first I want to 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.800 open this up a little bit with Garrison. You're a Canadian, 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.600 You're you're you're You're a very young Canadian twenty years old, 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.240 grew up in a cult and now you have just 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.160 seen Las Vegas, Nevada for the first time. Did it 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:06.200 change your life? UM? I mean I guess so, I 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.240 I guess I guess it did change my life in 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.120 in my perception of what Las Vegas is and my 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:18.920 desire to never return of But yeah, I mean, we 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.720 we've been able to spend probably around half our time 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.520 at CES, the other half just so soaking in the 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:30.119 impeccable vibes of Las Vegas, Nevada. Yeah, I've been. I've 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:34.679 been tour guiding you around, uh soberly and safely. We 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:39.520 went to the Venetian and the Palazzo. We took a 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.920 very expensive gondola, right, that was an expensive gondola. Right, 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.200 got to see the beautiful blue skies of Venice and 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.200 all their four corners. Your reaction to seeing inside the 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.000 Vendea if you've never been the Venetian, the interior of it, 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.160 it's this massive casino, as they all are. They're all 0:01:55.200 --> 0:02:00.280 like small towns inside buildings massive, and the Venetian is 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.720 like a replica of the city of Venice with a 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:07.680 fake sky. And that is one giant mall. I believe 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.080 it's the second largest hotel in the world. It is 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:17.360 unbelievably large, uh, incredibly expensive. And the fidelity of like 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.640 the fakeness of all of these things that are based 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.440 on real stuff is is quite high to it's it's 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:29.440 a whole thing. Yeah, it's It's really interesting because some 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.120 of the most impactful stuff is all of like the 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.360 fake storefronts inside because in many ways they're kind of 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:39.960 just all glorified malls, um and glorified arcades, all slot machines, 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:44.400 And it's funny because, like you know, they make all 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.400 of these facades on the inside, they have they have 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.760 the ceiling painted to look like the sky, but it's 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.639 it's it's just it's so dark in there, like it's 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.760 so like it's you see blue skies above you, but 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.720 there's like no light anywhere, no light anywhere. There's no 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.679 claws in the rooms. No, you never know what time 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.600 it is. You never see the outdoors. You're all isolated 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.200 in these little corridors leading from one shop to another 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.720 with slot machines all along the way. You're flying back soon, 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.800 are you looking forward to not being in a maze 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:19.040 of lights designed to bewilder and slowly damage you enough 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.600 that you sit down at a craps table and very 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.000 excited to see a real tree that's not a palm tree. 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.400 It's very excited to like touch grass, because there's no 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.880 grass in Las Vegas. No, it's actually I think illegal 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.080 in a lot of parts of the city to have 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.440 like a grass lawn, which is so one of the 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.119 things so obviously Vegas is in an objective sense, incredibly wasteful. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.000 A huge amount of resources get poured into what is 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.440 effectively just for gaming. But UM. The other thing, like 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.240 another thing that you have to hold in your mind 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:49.760 when you recognize that, is that of all of the 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.839 states in the Southwest utilizing the very limited water resources there. 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:55.760 If I'm not mistaken, because it was just reading an 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.440 article about this, Nevada is the one state that has 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.400 reduced its water usage while it's grown by like three 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:05.880 quarters of a million people. UM, So it contains multitudes. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:11.160 And also Nevada, like Vegas, is where the I'm spacing 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:12.800 on the name right now. But basically you have all 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.200 of these different states in the Southwest that are all 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.080 kind of coming together to try to figure out how 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:22.320 to deal with the fact that uh Lake Meat water 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.240 levels are getting lower in the Colorado River is disappearing 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.400 in some areas, and it is the only thing that 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.359 makes life out here possible on the scale that it 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.239 currently exists on. UM. And a couple of months before 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.920 c e S they had their big meeting in Las 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.600 Vegas in order to talk about how to try and 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.880 deal with the calamitous water situation. So it is very 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:47.039 much this city that is like filled with simulacra of 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.800 the past, um which it uses to try to hack 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.880 your brain to get you to stay up for four 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:54.960 days in a row, gambling and spending tens of thousands 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.440 of dollars. And it also because it's the best place 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.080 to hold a convention, and in a very technical sense, 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.120 like it is the most prepared for a large convention. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.480 They this city can handle a hundred and fifty two 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.039 hundred thousand people coming in overnight and needing places to 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.200 stay and needing infrastructure in order. So it's also where 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.080 a lot of things about the future get decided, which 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.720 is when you spend enough time walking kind of horrifying. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.840 It's kind of horrified the fact that important decisions get 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.840 made in this in this realm of in this place 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.680 that's designed to be mind altering. Yeah, it is, it is. 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.800 It is crafted. We're not like joking about this. There 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.760 are no clocks in the hotel rooms, like the casinos 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.840 are crafted to damage your perception of time. Um, so 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.080 I don't know that somebody should maybe look into that. 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.600 It's I do like when you're talking about like me. 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.000 It's a great example of the overall vibes of Las 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.120 Vegas is as as like meat is drying up. We 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:54.080 keep finding bodies inside the lake like bodies that have 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.880 been there a long time, bodies of people who had 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.720 alternate ideas about how Vegas should look. I mean a 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.719 lot of them were probably yeah, yeah, well walk walk 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.400 to the Venetian, walked through Caesar's Palace. Uh, they had 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:11.480 they had some nice vapor wave elieds displays outside. Briefly 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.599 went into the Paris one, which was honestly, I think 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.839 they Paris handled this, handled the fake sky the worst 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:23.040 because not only was this the sky painted ceiling so low, 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.320 the the bottom part of the Eiffel Tower just stops 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.680 where the ceiling stops. That they didn't even try. They 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.919 don't even try to continue the illusion. It's just just 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.640 as is a hard stop. Um. We wrote a roller coaster. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.640 We we went to New York. We we went to 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.920 the Little Blurry for me because you were so drunk. 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:47.040 But I just bought them. I dumped the the attempt 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.200 at like buying drinks from places and just got a 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:53.719 handle of Woodford Reserve, which allegedly you can mix into 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.640 one of the th HC Pina coladas that they have 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.599 and allegedly it's pretty good time. We we went to 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:04.680 Rainforest Cafe. I unfortunately bought you got sicker than I 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:08.640 did eating Rainforest Cafe I I bought. I bought this 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:13.520 volcano cake and it was quite regrettable. Um. And then 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.840 we walked over to the New York themed casino inside 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.240 Las Vegas. So if you want a city themed casino 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.320 inside the city that you're in, you can go there. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:24.600 Just pretty different city creating microcostums within microcostums. You're just 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.360 like the nesting, nesting all the way down. And I, 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.880 in an effort to make both me and Robert vomit, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:37.040 we went on a roller coaster we've barely survived. That 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:41.040 did feel like a very dangerous roller that was we 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.480 were so close to vomiting everywhere. Just yeah, it was 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.679 a good time. That was pretty fun. I felt great 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.480 so that I just felt people would enjoy your your 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.800 your first Vegas experience. And of course you stayed at 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.000 Circus Circus, which we just walked through earlier today, one 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.720 last time, one final, one final debut to see a 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:04.960 family of four with thirty eight thousand dollars imagined losing that. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:10.160 Circus Circus unbelieveabout the worst casino in the world. I think, 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.240 in order to segue into our next topic, it's Pretti. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.000 I think Las Vegas is probably one of the most 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.920 heavily surveilled cities in the United States. It would be 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.200 hard to find one with more, especially when you're on 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.000 the Strip. Obviously there's a lot of lots of it. 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.040 I have family who live here and they can go 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.320 years without visiting the fucking strip because it's terrible. Um. 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.720 But another another, and and so kind of in a 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.079 similar sense. At CES, there was a lot of stuff 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:40.240 about surveillance, a lot of stuff about, uh, you know, 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.600 collect different new innovative ways to collect data on you 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:48.280 and your and your appliances and what's in your home. Um, 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.040 do we want to stalk start by talking about the 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:57.280 the almdipure of of surveillance tech. Yeah, there was actually 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.880 just an article in the Washington Post about this about 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.800 how unsafe quite a bit of it is. And one 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.720 of the things that you may have caught in some 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.480 of your news because this was probably one of the 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.480 more viral stories, is that there was a lot of 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.920 piss based technology, a lot of p analyzation. Vivu had 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.400 a thing there was there was at least three different 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.599 p test kits that were on the show floor. I 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.880 think some of them wont some some of the CS 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.960 Innovation Awards where basically you can analyze what's in your urine. Yeah, 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.719 and these are always framed as like it can let 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.040 you give you confirmation if you have a U t I, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.320 it can help people who have all these different illnesses. 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.599 It can help diabetics. UM. And I'm sure there's a 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.480 degree to which that's true, But I asked the Vivu 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.439 lady and I didn't speak with the There was another 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.400 called UM you scan by with things and and you 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:52.080 you scans urine sensor analyzes hormone levels in urine. That's interesting, Yeah, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.480 which is is why it won some awards, and also 0:09:55.559 --> 0:10:00.160 why a bunch of folks, including Consumer Reports UM, put 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.200 out like a warning about it, saying like we shouldn't 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.160 be celebrating this. This is an incredibly dangerous product because 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.800 it all is going to your phone, the data is 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.720 being collected digitally, and if, for example, you are in 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:15.760 a state that heavily restricts women's access to reproductive healthcare, uh, 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.280 there is literally nothing stopping the law enforcement or the 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.960 government of those states from demanding all of that data 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.240 be handed over, potentially even in real time. There's absolutely 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.319 nothing stopping that. And the company has already said they'll 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:32.280 comply with law enforcement with government requests. Um. And there's 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.760 they don't have any kind of plan for the fact 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:39.480 that they are creating a way to surveile people's bodies, 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.680 um for the government. Um. And when I talked to 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.680 the one of the representatives of Vivu, which is another 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.920 one of these urine companies that I don't believe detect 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.280 your hormone levels but but does is generating a lot 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.120 of data about your body, a lot of biometric data. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.960 And the most she would give me is that the 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:01.600 data is encrypted. Which great, that that that's a fancy 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.080 word for saying, yeah, we have it. We are. We 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.880 are sitting here right after one of the most damaging 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:13.720 data hacks of all time, which has it was last 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.880 pass It was one of the massive password collecting apps 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.600 where you basically like centralize all your passwords behind one 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.160 and remember and like it's a lot of people are 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:28.520 exposed as a result of that. And um, I just 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:33.320 think that like the this show, such a massive part 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.719 of it was we have we are debuting devices that 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.000 will allow you to monitor different parts of your body 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.559 at all times and get real time, biometric data your 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.000 body and your house and centralizing all this data about you. 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.880 Talk about ring in one place, because that's the same 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.800 thing with like smart homes and smart appliances were very popular. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.439 Smart cars were a very big thing. Um we're talking about, 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.200 like smart cities were another big thing for just other 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.680 ways to centralize all of the data about what you own, 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.480 where it is um and how to effectively provide advertising 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.480 to get you to buy more. There's an attempt being 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.960 made by Republicans in Oklahoma right now to make it 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:11.760 criminal two do gender transition if you are under twenty 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.840 six years of age. There's no reason why a product 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.840 like this couldn't be used to determine whether or not 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.840 somebody is illegally taking hormones in a state where they 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.880 are attempting to restrict trans people like it's this is 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:28.640 all We're not just being like fuddy duddies. These are 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:33.040 all very serious implications, and there's zero thought, zero evidence 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:34.520 of thought being given to it with any of the 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.839 biometric companies. Now, one of the reasons we talked about 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.079 that those smart glasses UM that are for people who 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.280 are hearing impaired, that caption conversations live around them. One 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.160 of the reasons I was impressed by that is that 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.520 it's all a closed loop. None of it goes to 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:52.280 your smartphone, none of it's broadcast wirely wirelessly. Um, it 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.480 is all on device and none of it is stored anywhere. 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:56.560 And when they said that, that was part of what 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.800 convinced me these people understand the responsibility the d they 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:13.640 have delivering a healthcare product. We should move on to 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.480 the other part of the Panopticon that we saw and 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:20.320 talk about Ring. Yeah, the Ring booth was one of 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:24.640 the more terrifyingly dystopian bits. And it's you know, and 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.080 it's describe it for our listeners. Well, I mean it's 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.040 they basically made like a white Pickett house. Um. And 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.000 you know again ces these are massive, massive buildings, and 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.200 so they do people can construct a full house in 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.120 there and did so, like you know, there's fake fake 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.320 green grass, a nice little fence, this perfect little ideal 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.840 at home. And the massive massive sign above was like, uh, 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.640 you know, ring keeping, like keeping keeping your neighborhood and 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.840 say if you know like all of all of all 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.560 of that that type of messaging. Um. The in the 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.320 model home they had there was like a dozen cameras 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:04.640 on every all all around the sides approach, multiple cameras 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:08.240 on the doors. There's a doorbell camera, peephole camera camera 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.360 on the fence at one door with three cameras on 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.800 the door itself. And I mean ring zoned by Amazon. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:19.880 There was you know, Alexa Alexa assisted Ring cameras um 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.600 all of the day that gets gets used by law enforcement. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.800 A Ring partners like directly with law enforcement to make 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:30.520 data like immediately available and make feeds immediately available. And 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:32.880 the probably the still least thing we saw at the 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:37.400 Ring booth was this home security tiny little drone. Yeah, 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.320 so basically they've built and it's weird because the so 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:45.600 the box it comes in looks like a fucking um 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.720 de humidifier that I used to have or humidifier that 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.680 I used to have in my house. It's almost identical. 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.520 Um but it's like this little plastic box and a 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.640 drone can take off and fly out of it. Uh, 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.520 And the drone trains itself on your house, so it 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.920 knows how to get around and if somebody it thinks 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:08.440 somebody's breaking in. A person who is effectively like works 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:13.080 for Ring, like an actual human being sitting in a 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.200 call center somewhere takes control of the drone and can 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.880 confront someone in your house, which I guess there's a 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.760 potential security benefit there, But also, you are signing up 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:29.640 to allow Amazon to have a random person travel around 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.840 your home at any hour of the night, in a 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.880 in a thing they control, in a little flying machine 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:40.120 that they control, and that I cannot put myself in. 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.120 That I get, obviously, I get wanting to have cameras. 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.320 I don't think it's unreasonable to have security cameras on 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.560 your home. I even understand how some people who are 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:49.640 not as privacy conscious as I am could be like, yeah, 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.000 I don't care if it's connected to the internet. Um, 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:53.760 even though that's not a thing I like, I can't 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:55.760 put myself in the head of somebody who would want 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.280 that thing in their house. Yeah, it's bizarre because obviously 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.960 there's needs. Again, they're like health related. Maybe if you've 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.480 got like an illness or something, you might want something 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.960 like that. Like, I can understand how very specific purpose 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.360 driven needs, but like, as a normal person wanting an 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.720 Amazon employee to be able to wander around your home, 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.200 it seems weird to me. I mean, that's obviously can 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.800 also all that data getting used. Amazon can scan your 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.720 entire house fiera, what what products you buy, you know, 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.600 what what non Amazon things are inside your home, what 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.240 types of trends that you're using, and all that kind 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:30.920 of get used to help get you to buy more things. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.480 That the the one of the morn cities parts of 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.240 like all of the marketing and some of like the 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.640 some of like the video commercials for Ring that we saw, 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.680 you know, playing on these giant, giant screens inside is 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.840 they're they're really trying to also push that. They're trying 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.520 to push in a normalize using ring as a part 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.160 of your everyday life, but for non security means like 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.800 you know, when you're leaving your grandma's house, you say 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.400 goodbye to her in her little ring camera. You know 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.320 when you when you're getting to your friend's house you 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.480 do a little funny pranks in front of their ring camera. 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.960 It's like it's all these different ways to make rings 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.520 seem like this fun and normal thing to like play 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:12.240 with your friends and your family social, when in reality, 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:17.399 look again, security cameras are inherently anti social. It doesn't 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.480 mean that there aren't good reasons to have one. And 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:23.560 as someone who's been burglarized. I do understand that, Um, 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.640 it's not bad, but it's anti social because you are 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.320 surveilling people because you're worried about what they might do. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.399 That is that is a fundamentally anti social thing. And 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.840 so the attempt to like turn that, the attempt to 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.639 kind of like merge that into normal family life and 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:44.720 to make it like friendly is really bad. Yeah. I 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.159 think that we briefly stopped by the A d T 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:48.639 Booth And this is kind of this This is kind 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.359 of similar to the little drone that we just talked about, 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:56.359 but a little bit more ridiculous. Um, they have at 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.199 the A d T Booth this home security robot, like 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.560 six six ft tall robot with uh with like a 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.080 like like an like a lc D little face with 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:12.760 this big smile on it, and and it's powered or 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.480 not powered. It is controlled by you, the owner, by 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:21.560 wearing an Oculus headset, and it has it has rolling 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.520 feet so it can move around by rolling. But it's 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.479 like six ft tall. It has two arms, massive smiling 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.919 face and if if you have you know, your headset 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:31.840 with you, and you think someone's breaking into your home, 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.320 you can put this on and control this robot to 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.199 like chase them out. And I was overhearing that a 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:40.960 d T guys talking about it, and they're like, yeah, 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.680 this is even. This is even just like a great deterrence. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.119 Like imagine you're if someone's breaking into your home and 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.560 then they see a massive, smiling robot rolling towards you. 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:54.720 I would run away very quickly, like had like like 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.639 what this this thing has to cost like tens of 0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.840 tens of thousands of dollars and like this is what 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.600 you're doing too, feel like you're really just spend that 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:08.159 much money to to create this sense of safety. Really really, 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.720 this is this is what you're doing. You're you're you're 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.160 getting a robot that gets powered by a Facebook headset 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.320 so you can walk around your house in a rolling 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.280 robot to make sure no one's gonna come, you know, 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:24.919 take random shipped from your house. Yeah. When like number one, Um, 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.160 anyone who would do that is the kind of person 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.200 that needs to be have things taken from them. Um. 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.200 But number two like if you're actually concerned for your 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:40.200 actual safety, and again I think that's perfectly valid. Um, 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.520 none of these drones, this robot of security theater, it's 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:48.880 not it's theater. It's easy to to like damage, it's easy. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.680 You can knock it's it's all three wheels. You knock 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.320 it over. It can't get up. Put on block so 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.400 that you're completely covered, knock it over, and then proceed 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.600 to rob the house. It's not useful, it's it's it's 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.440 a purity alarm at that point. It's it's it's wild 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.560 and like and people will find ways to hack them 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.879 and stuff. You know, you can't hack a well trained 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:10.520 guard dog, which also will cost you tens of thousands 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.000 of dollars less. And we'll love you like a Doberman 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.200 pincher will kill your enemies if they break into your home, 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.040 and loves you like the same way. You know, there 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.600 was people getting into Alexa machines a few years ago. 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.199 There was Alexa Alexa machines listening and sending info when 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.280 they weren't supposed to do. There was a mass there 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.800 was a pretty big incident actually in Portland a few 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.879 years ago, of of Alexa listening in too when it 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:35.880 was wasn't supposed to do, and and and like listening 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.520 to different conversations and trying trying to finish conversational cues. 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:40.920 Um you know, it's only a matter of time before 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:43.520 someone figures out how to control, how to remotely control 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.320 one of these A d T robots and you have 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.480 some something like rolling around in your house that you 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:52.560 don't control anymore. Like it's yeah, there are um, it's 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.360 there are always vulnerabilities in these things and they always 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:59.320 get hacked. Um. And more to the point, like well, 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.719 if you have some sort of security drone like your 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:05.480 ring drone, there's no way like again, Amazon would comply 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:09.159 with law enforcement requests. There's nothing that says law enforcement, 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.720 if it was part of an investigation, could not use 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:16.400 this technology to surveil you in real time. UM. So 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:20.320 I don't like that. UM, not my favorite. And while 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:25.160 we're when we're talking about surveillance, uh, we can't ignore 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.960 our good friends at palent here now if you haven't 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:32.720 been paying attention to the surveillance industry, palent Heer is 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:37.720 a company that exists to collect data and build machine 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:42.000 solutions and machine learning solutions UM to surveil people and 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:46.080 to help equipment like drones, targeting and whatnot work better. 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.479 They're an intelligence company. There's like lots of systems they 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.960 do systems. It's not like they make a single product. 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:57.080 They help build systems to collect data and enable governments 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.840 and militaries to make decisions off of that data. That 0:21:59.920 --> 0:22:03.399 is like the thing that they do primarily systems analysts tracking. 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.399 I mean, like what one of the one of the 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.399 things we saw was them you know, analyzing homes to 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.480 data around like water conservation. Right there, they're trying to 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:14.639 put a variety of their usage not just kill brown people, 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.000 but but they do a lot of the primary the 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:20.959 center of their booth was this massive military truck with 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.280 a huge armored box on the back that was filled 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:28.360 with computers specifically to collect data and to um like 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:32.840 do command and control for drone fleets in theater. Um. 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:35.080 And one of the things you know when you see 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.520 a vehicle of that size and it was very massive, 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.680 is that well, this is not this is intended either 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:43.800 to be very far back from the front, which which 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:46.560 mitigates some of the uses of it, or it is 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:49.320 intended to be used in an area in which the 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:53.280 enemy does not have air power. Um. But so again 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:56.240 the kind of places where you're just bombing them, right 0:22:56.320 --> 0:23:00.680 like theaters like Yemen where the rebels have minimum ability 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:05.080 to do something like bomb a gigantic truck. That's a target. Um, 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:08.720 but you have kind of unrestricted ability to do stuff 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:12.399 like drone strike school buses, which has happened repeatedly there. Um. 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:15.320 We had a couple of conversations with the good people 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:19.320 at Palenteer. Uh they were I don't I think we 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.840 kind of figured out they were primarily they're looking for 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:26.000 talent because they were looking for people to recruit, looking 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.439 for different things to integrate into their systems. Yeah, they 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.960 would not show much of what they had. Everything inside 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:36.600 the van itself was uh classified. Here would you hit 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:40.720 me my phone find that person's name? But everything in 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:44.840 there was was classified whenever we started talking, especially the 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:46.639 first time we were there, because I started asking some 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:50.439 pretty specific questions about what was actually in that and 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.320 how it worked and how it was different from current 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.240 drone command and control solutions. And there was a very 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:58.399 specific woman with Palenteer who, no matter who I was 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.320 talking to, would come up behind me and kind of 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:04.760 direct conversation. And I think also was there to listen 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.000 to the answers that were being provided to me and 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.679 stop people from saying things on her team if they 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:13.520 weren't supposed to say them. Um, there were a couple 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:17.120 of occasions in which I asked, Hey, can we check 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:19.960 this thing out on the inside, and we were told no, 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:22.520 it was classified. No one else could get in. You 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:25.080 have to you have to gain permission from the army. Yeah. 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:31.800 I definitely saw some individuals exited, but they were Palenteer people. 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:35.160 But then the next day we came back, um and 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:40.600 I watched a woman exit the vehicle UM and a 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:42.720 man from Palenteer with her, But the woman was not 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:45.159 from Palenteer. Now, people wear badges at c e s, 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:47.320 so their names are on display and what they do 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.879 is on display. Although it's easy to look this person up, 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:51.480 and I saw she had a badge as a speaker. 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:55.320 Her name was Mary or sorry, her name was Melody 0:24:55.359 --> 0:25:00.280 Hildebrand UM. So I I googled Melody Hildebrand uh because 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:02.639 I wanted to know she does not work for Palenteer. 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:06.119 What is she doing inside Palentteer's giant class classified robot 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:10.320 murder box? Uh. Melody is the president of Blockchain Creative 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.919 Labs and the chief Information Security officer for the Fox 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:18.080 Company for the you know that Fox Corporation. So it 0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:23.879 looked like by the way her her Twitter says uh C, 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:27.560 I s O Fox Web three engineering cybersecurity, former war gamer, 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:33.320 lover of farm animals, so that's cool. Um and yeah, 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:36.800 over here we've got her retweeting a post about and Rill, 0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.919 which is UM. One of the Peter Teel companies like 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:44.240 Palenteer is raising one point four eight billion in their 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:47.840 Series E funding. UM. This new funding will enable us 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:49.760 to accelerate R and DED and bring new cutting edge 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:53.879 automous defense capabilities to market. Now, I don't know, I 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:58.600 wonder what they mean by the word defense. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, 0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:00.359 she's also pro n f T so that's good. I'm 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:04.160 gonna I'm gonna tweet to her in a little bit. UM. 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.800 But no, it was it was very clear that there 0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:08.440 was you know, there was pr people on the ground 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.919 to make sure that the line of questioning if they 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:14.720 were too if people were asking questions about their surveillance tech, 0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:18.000 about this big titan truck which is what it's called Titan, 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:21.960 um that there's only very very specific answers. And like 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.239 they were not there to talk to journalists. They were 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:26.359 not there to talk to media. They were there to 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:30.240 recruit people to you know, become more capable at their 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:35.000 surveillance tech. That's that was very clear. Uh. They were 0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:39.160 also right across the street, right across the hall from 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:43.600 the Fantastic Robos and Transformers robots. So on the on 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:46.359 one side you have a fun optimist prim robot that transforms. 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:50.600 The other side you have the rolling metal deathcage. So 0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:52.840 that was that was that was most of palat here. 0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:57.119 They had this um sky box, which was this box 0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:02.080 that had like encrypted communications technology, drones and drone drone 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:06.560 piloting technology and like, um, you know, a military computer 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.040 that all in this little tiny box that they can 0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:13.760 drop into people who are you know, basically drop into 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.240 people who are in trouble. Yeah, they were, they were. 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:18.680 They were building it as basically number one. It would 0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:20.639 be for it could be for special forces teams. It 0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:24.200 has like a laptop in there. It has potentially several 0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:26.960 drones in there. UM and it has like a bunch 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.679 of specially modified field cameras so you could set up 0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:33.200 surveillance on an area UM and and those cameras kind 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.119 of work with a machine learning algorithm to do stuff 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.399 like try and identify where landmines are. And again like 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:43.800 these are the stuff that's problematic primarily about Palatiners it's 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.760 it's data collecting, its surveillance, and the fact that we 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:51.000 know that drone warfare is generally pretty fucked up and 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.639 has an extremely high civilian casualty rate and is used 0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.280 in a lot of theaters obviously, not in a lot 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.560 of theaters where they are primarily just massacring people either 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:01.800 fighting where their freedom are trying to survive. This is 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.440 the problem with it. Obviously, all of this tech will 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.880 also be used in generally positive things like, for example, 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:11.200 dropping a box like this into the hands of some 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:15.760 Ukrainian special Forces guys to to integrate them into a 0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:19.840 more advanced command and control network so they have better 0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:22.960 access to tactical data like is not a thing. I 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:25.359 don't specifically have a problem with that application. The problem 0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:30.200 is more broadly palenteer um do you want to do? 0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:33.000 Do you want to briefly explain in case people are 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:36.800 not Lord of the Rings fans. So again, these are 0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.120 all companies owned by Peter Teal, who is a self 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:44.160 described fascist, believes in ending democracy. Believes that democracy and 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:48.240 freedom are not compatible because freedom he defines specifically as 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.440 the ability of people with lots of money to not 0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:52.880 have any kind of restrictions on their behavior or what 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.920 they can compel other people to do. Peter Teal owns 0:28:56.040 --> 0:29:01.040 Palenteer and Andy rill Um the Palanteer Palenteer. Both of 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:02.760 those are names from Lord of the Rings, and in 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.960 Lord of the Rings, the Palenteer was an orb given 0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:10.440 by the big bad Guy Sawon to one of his lackeys, 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.680 a wizard named Saramon, so that he could surveil any 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.320 part of Middle Earth he wanted in order to send 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.880 his armies to crush the free peoples of the world. 0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:22.560 Like that is that is literally what this company is 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.959 named after. It is the bad guy surveillance tech to 0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.880 use the Oro Kai against the free people of Middle Earth. 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:35.760 It is it is specifically something that only evil people use. Um. 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.280 It's it's pretty cool that the whole company is named after. 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:41.240 And there were all these very nice, polite people in 0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:47.719 uh Patagonia style vests with Palenteer logos stitched on them 0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:51.600 standing around. UM happy to answer any of your questions. 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:56.360 Uh anyway, I'm I'm curious as to why Melody Hildebrandt 0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:58.920 was inside there. What the chief information security officer of 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.240 Fox would want to do with one of those vans. 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:05.560 That is curious that is curious, she's on Twitter. I 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:08.680 did reach out to her, but we that We also 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:10.440 saw a few of the robot dogs. We saw the 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.120 Boston to the Dynamics one, which was very impressive and 0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.880 how it moves. Um. Then we saw one much more 0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:21.640 cheaper um uh model of of a robot dog that 0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.400 had not as great mobility, but it seemed to be 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:28.280 more more suited towards the types of the types of 0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:31.000 style of dogs that were that we've seen law enforcements 0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:35.000 start to buy. Um. The cheaper ones with less flexibility, 0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:38.680 more mounts to attach you know, things to the top 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:40.440 of the robot which you don't really see you with 0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:43.920 the Boston Dynamics ones. They do not like mounting extra 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.840 things on. But the the other robot dog we saw 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:48.680 had this little arm that it was that it was 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.320 that that had attached to the top that was in 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:54.320 the robotics section, pretty close to Palatiner. That one was 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:57.160 much less impressive than Because we saw both robot dogs 0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.640 and these are if you see video of a robot 0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.440 dog that people are freaking about out about online, these 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:07.320 are those robot dogs. UM. The one we saw with 0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.800 the arm on, it did not move. It was number 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:12.520 one controlled directly by a guy with a controller. It 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:16.720 was not autonomous and it didn't move very smoothly. The 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:21.120 sitting in front of the Boston Dynamic Spot spot and 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.760 watching it move was really Surrey. It was number one. 0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.720 We both talked about this garrison. It's like watching c 0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:31.240 g I in real life because it's it's so fine tuned. Yeah, 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:34.000 it moves like a living thing, but clearly is not 0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:36.680 um and it moves like a living thing enough that 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.000 it is not it's not an uncanny valley. That's not 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.760 the right way to describe it now, because the movements 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:46.200 are kind of perfect. It's just not it's alive. It's 0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:49.600 almost it's it's it's not uncanny valley. It's almost like instead, 0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:53.640 it's like too perfect. Yeah, it's it's just so fine tuned. 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:56.120 It's it was pretty It was pretty impressive to watch. 0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.720 It was very impressive and it it's become obvious to 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:00.840 me that like one of the things that absolutely is 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:03.880 going on at Boston Dynamics is that they feel there 0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:06.640 is there is an it is important to them as 0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.680 a business. Some of this may just be that they 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:11.480 this is a personal challenge for a lot of these 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.880 engineering guys, but I suspect they also see this as 0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:18.600 valuable to their business to replicate physical emotionality. And when 0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:20.920 I talk about that, when you like, watch a dog, right, 0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.320 you can tell a dog's emotions from the way that 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:26.560 the dog moves, because that's how dogs work. Um, the 0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:30.920 robot dog expresses physical emotion and obviously it doesn't feel emotion, 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.600 but it physically expresses emotion in a similar way to 0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:38.920 a dog like curiosity. They're very good at mimicking a 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.760 curious dog in the way it's body language works, which 0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:55.200 is really wild. Yeah, that would be one of the 0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:59.000 things I did not like. Um, I mean, it's impressive. 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:01.480 A lot of this stuff is a objectively impressive. Most 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:05.440 of the other robotics we saw there was not that impressive. 0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:08.960 Like I saw this this robot bartender that was making boba, 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:12.120 but it but it didn't know, it didn't know how, 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:15.680 or it wasn't able to actually deliver the boba onto 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:19.320 the secondary robot that delivers the boba. So this this 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.920 this one robot with arms made made the drink, a 0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.120 human picked it up, inspected it, then put it on 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:26.760 a secondary robot which then delivered the drink. And I 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:30.320 and this technology. I mean I I was eating at 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:33.240 a at a at a Burmese place in Portland a 0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:36.360 few months ago where they were using this same food 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.760 delivery robot system. It's not it's not brand new, it's 0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:43.080 just becoming cheaper and more people are trying to like 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:45.560 make it a thing. And there was so there was 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:47.120 a lot of those types of things, a lot of 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:50.640 like R two D two on Jabba's sale barge, like 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:55.360 delivering drinks style style robots that are autonomous, like they 0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.520 do move themselves around. They don't need a remote controller, 0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.920 but they're not that impressive. But that that that was 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.320 like the majority of stuff in the robotics section was 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.200 that there was a few other kind of smaller rolling 0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:11.080 robots that were there was just like elderly people like 0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.440 if if someone falls down, this robot kind of goes 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.120 around and will help you. And yeah, I don't feel 0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:19.880 well that specific stuff I don't feel like well suited 0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:22.759 to describe, like to guess as to how well it 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:26.520 would work. UM. But I think more broadly talking about 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.760 autonomous tech because that was one of the biggest product 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.680 categories at Sea as it was all over the place. Um, 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:33.279 there were a lot of cars, and a lot of 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:36.920 companies doing autonomous software and light our solutions for cars. 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.359 I consider that all to be vaporware. There's a great 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:44.680 deal of evidence here, but fully autonomous vehicles, UM, in 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:46.800 the way that some of these companies are advertising is 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.279 simply not. They simply do do not exist, and not 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:51.200 exist and will not exist. And we did talk to 0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.960 a couple of people, so again for the stuff that's 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.680 very real about autonomous tech, there's things like driver assistance, 0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.760 so for like truck drivers, to allow them to strain 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.560 and stress themselves less while driving and to help um 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:06.719 make certain things like backing up and parking that can 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:09.839 be very difficult in certain environments safer by having more 0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:12.520 cameras and machine assistance. That makes sense. And one of 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:14.200 the people who worked at one of those companies said 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.360 to us, Um, yeah, there's no such thing as autonomous 0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.760 trucks or cars, like they don't exist outside of very 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.680 tightly controlled conditions. All we are trying to do is 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.400 make truck driving safer and less stressful on the driver, 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:32.240 which sounds great. UM. I mean, obviously it there's problems 0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:35.319 with the way the trucking industry exists outside of that, 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:38.479 but that sounds again like one of those products meant 0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:44.319 to actually mitigate worker fatigue and discomfort and potentially makes 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:46.640 it safer. So I'm on board with that kind of stuff. 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:50.960 But um other like an autonomous and smart tech that 0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:55.279 we like, like like smart cars, um e V like 0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:58.120 electronic vehicles and autonomous stuff. There was some stuff at 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.480 the John Deer Booth which it was pushing towards automation, 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.440 like we talked about in the last episode. And then 0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:07.520 also they're they're evy tractor just launched, which so John 0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:10.560 Dear if you're not aware, has had a series of 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.960 long running legal battles, particularly with farmers in Ukraine, over 0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.560 the fact that they do not want it to be 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:20.680 possible or legal for you to repair your tractor if 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:24.040 you're a farmer. Farmers have previously in history often repaired 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:27.520 and fixed and modified their vehicles. Um this is both 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.440 necessary if a thing breaks you can't always get it 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.080 back to a manufacturing facility in time. And a lot 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:35.440 of farms in the middle of nowhere. A lot of 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:36.919 farms are in the middle of nowhere, which is where 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.520 food comes from. And you also like you can't wait, 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:42.799 you can't just be like, well, let's just put harvesting 0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:46.480 off for a week or two. That that is a problem. Um. 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.560 John Deere sees that as a severe threat to their profits, 0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:53.319 and they have fought viciously in courts UH to make it, 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:57.280 to try to make it illegal to repair your own devices. Um. 0:36:57.320 --> 0:36:58.840 They have lost a lot of those fights in the 0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:01.960 United States, and to its credit, the Biden administration has 0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:04.520 taken a strong stance in favor of the right to repair. 0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:08.480 And what we saw from John Deere at this ce 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.839 S was a bunch of very impressive autonomous products that 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:15.640 just coincidentally will also make it completely impossible to repair 0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:19.160 your tractors. It's like, specifically with the new ev tractor 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:22.719 that launched, so much of it is a computer that 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:26.080 it is impossible to repair unless you work for John Deer. 0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:28.920 Like we when we asked them, like, hey, you know, 0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.400 if if this thing breaks down, how how would a 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.400 farmer go about trying to fix this? Since it is 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.399 a lot of it is like not it's it's it's 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:38.520 not like motors and stuff from like a classic car. 0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:43.400 It is it is like it is computer driven. Um. 0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:46.239 And they're like they just can't. It's just it's just 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:50.400 so complicated that an average person cannot repair this like 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.959 at all. It's just it just it's impossible. So that's 0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:58.800 the way they are gonna try to get around this, uh, 0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:01.200 this right to repair a shoe. Yeah, we will just 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:03.080 and the and it's being done under the guys of 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.000 well you you know, by having this much more advanced, 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:07.920 we can use a lot less pesticide, which is better 0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:11.680 for the soil, better for everything, um, less carbon and 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:15.120 less carbon. The farmer will have more time because the 0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.759 vehicle can handle this autonomously. So that's eight hours the 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.480 farmer you know, gets to to spend doing something else 0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:23.319 and um, all of this stuff that's kind of meant 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:25.279 to distract from like, well, I guess yeah, maybe he'll 0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.880 have more time, but also substantially less autonomy and be 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:32.080 completely dependent upon the John Deer Corporation in order to 0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:35.720 produce the food that human beings need to survive. Um. 0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.000 I'm also gonna point it out there and say I 0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:40.200 started this by saying that, like, one of the major 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.040 lawsuits was between John Deer and a lot of a 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:45.920 group of Ukrainian farmers, um, the same farmers presumably who 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:47.960 were towing a lot of Russian ordinance away with the 0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:53.080 John Deer tractors. Um, I don't know that it's that 0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:54.960 kind of stuff. And one of the things that I 0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:57.480 think looking at a lot of this autonomous tech, some 0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:01.920 of it's great, some of it could save lives. Some 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:05.080 of it. Rather than like reducing the need for humans 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:06.880 to do work that it would be good if they 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.320 didn't have to do, we'll do just what you recognize, 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:13.520 create an even less human job for a human, like 0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:17.080 taking drinks from a robot that makes drinks to a 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.400 robot that carries them to people. Because we we just 0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:23.120 couldn't figure out that interstitial step. So your job as 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.840 a human being, as a as a member of of 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:31.400 of a species that spent millions of years evolving to 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.840 be capable of creating nearly anything, your job will be 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:36.799 to take a drink from one robot and set it 0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:38.640 down at another. I mean we we we. The thing 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:42.839 is like that we already had that same idea in factories, 0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:46.279 Like as as factories have gone towards being more made 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:48.600 by machines, they're still as factory works who need to 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.080 do all this little in between steps. So we're taking 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.840 this factory model and now just applying it to customer 0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.279 service doing the same thing, trying to automize it as 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:58.640 much as possible, and then only rely on humans for 0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:01.320 all of these little in between ups that for some reason, 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.000 the robots in all of the autonomous texts isn't very 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:06.680 good at yet or you know, isn't really focused on completing. 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:11.319 And that's that's the main thing that that humans are 0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:13.040 going to be are going to be doing in the 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:17.440 in the autonomous Boba store that's gonna come to your 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:21.240 neighborhood in like ten years. Speaking of bad things about 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:23.800 the future or at least the present, let's talk about 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:28.560 Elon Musk's celebrity death tunnel. So, if you're not aware Elon, 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:31.640 one of the companies, actually the company he started that 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:34.720 is based on his own legitimate ideas is the boring 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:39.640 company UM, which makes big tubes underground uh so that 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:44.080 people can drive their individual cars through them and avoid traffic. Now, 0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:46.359 Elon Musk is a man who takes his private jet 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:50.160 between airports in the same city in order to avoid traffic. 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:52.520 There is nothing he hates more than the idea of 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.640 being a normal person or being at all connected to 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:57.640 the lives of regular people, which is why you get 0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.680 a private jet, um when you could just like fly 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:02.759 first class or something, because even if you're flying for 0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.120 first class, you're still going to an airport and through 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:10.879 security around like the poor the poors. Um Ellen has 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:15.640 been vociferous about his hatred of of traffic um transit, 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.160 but also he hates public transit because you might sit 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:21.440 next to a serial killer. UM. So his solution is 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:25.680 dig holes underground and let people drive there. And Uh. 0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.560 Most of the cities that have attempted to have bording 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:31.319 tunnels completed have been ghosted by the company. It is 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.000 kind of a con um. But they did build one 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:37.359 in Las Vegas and Garrison and I used it, uh, 0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:39.600 and it took us from one side of the convention 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:43.640 center to the other. Um. We potentially, if we had 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:46.200 made the most use of this service, we we might 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:49.880 have gotten a five to seven minutes that we didn't 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:54.000 have to walk, just just you and me alone inside 0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:56.480 the tesla, not having to be around other people in 0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:00.880 the in the RGB tunnel if you're in. One of 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:02.960 the things Lama has literally said is like, well, if 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:04.560 you take public transit, you might sit next to some 0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:07.319 serial killer. The way this tunnel thing works is you 0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.520 tell them whether you're going east or west, and they 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.200 put you in a tesla that some dude is driving 0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.280 that you don't know, and then they fill the tesla 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.200 with other other people that you also don't know. You're 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:20.440 still sitting next to stranger and you're in this this 0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:23.200 tube that is lit up the same way a pair 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:26.920 of like Razor gaming headphones are lit up um and 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:30.880 you just slowly stuck in this tunnel with two random 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:36.839 people who you don't know. I horrible, like one thing 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.319 I feel like obviously if you're in like New York 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:40.880 or something or Berlin. I've been in a lot of 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:43.040 cities where I've traveled on the underground, and I don't 0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:47.160 feel scared traveling in the underground because those have existed 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:48.799 for a very long time, and so we know what 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:51.160 happens when there's floods and when there's fires, and there's 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:53.120 a lot of systems built, which is why you don't 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:56.800 generally hear about a shipload of people dying in subway. 0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.279 It's an extremely safe way to travel this time. Unnol 0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:04.160 is filled with vehicles that take we know about fifty 0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:06.920 five gallons of water to put out a fire when 0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:10.080 the battery catches fire, and the batteries on Tesla's we 0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:13.520 also know, catch fire with some regularity, and you are 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:17.120 trapped in a tunnel. Uh, there is sometimes traffic. Near 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:18.799 the end of our ride, we wound up in a 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:22.640 line of like twenty Tesla's and that did not feel 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.480 good because you just you can see nothing but Tesla's 0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:29.000 ahead of you and behind you, and you're surrounded entirely 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:33.480 by this tight claustrophobic wall with absolutely no emergency exit's visible. 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:36.200 So in fire suppression systems visible, I don't know what 0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:38.520 they have installed, but you can't see anything. You cannot 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:41.480 see a thing. All you see is the Razor r 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:45.839 GB gaming mouse. And then as as so, as soon 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:47.880 as we got off this this thing that was supposed 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:49.480 to take us to like the central area, it just 0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:51.560 took us to the other side of the convention center. 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:53.400 In order to actually gets where we needed to go, 0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:55.680 we just use the monorail, the thing that's been there 0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:59.160 for a long time and looks fine. And mono rails 0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.280 are also not great ideas for a lot of reasons. 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:02.759 But it got us right to the other end of 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:09.360 the strip very quickly, conveniently, cleanly. It took cost five dollars. UM. 0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:14.200 So good work, Ellen. I love the tunnel. I hope 0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.279 you're proud, ringing, ringing indoors. I can't wait for there 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:19.200 to be tunnels like that in every city. Don't worry, 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:21.640 they want the boring company is not a real company. 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:27.560 Um yeah, anything else care? I mean we already talked 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:30.839 about the digital health stuff, which was a very big 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:37.520 part of CEES. UM. Yeah, that's I think that's most 0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:41.719 of what we want to touch on for now. Okay, 0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.200 well that's gonna just about do it for all of 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:50.040 us here at whatever show this is. UM, we will 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.840 at some point have some stuff based on Oh yeah, actually, 0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:55.720 let's let's in by I went in by talking about UM, 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:58.040 I guess another good thing, but it's a good thing 0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:01.320 that relates to the bad things. Um. We ran across 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.400 a booth on our way out that on the first 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:07.279 day I had seen and I had thought was just 0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:11.000 um like a I had assumed it was like a 0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:14.560 GPS solution or something because the company was called off 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:18.480 grid UM, and it's the off grid phone. We talked 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:21.000 to the founder of the company, Ben Wilson, who was 0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:24.160 just a guy who, as he put it, does not 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:28.920 like that uh, we consistently seated more and more control 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:34.560 over our data and over our communications to large companies 0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:37.279 and governments and whoever the funk else gets access to 0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:41.000 these massive and or massive not anonymous data sets, and 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:44.280 wanted to build a thing for himself that could eventually 0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:48.360 replace his smartphone. UM. So he and the company he 0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:51.560 started have produced these their dumb phones at this moment 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:54.440 that context and can call and do encrypted end to 0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:57.840 end communication. They also, if you are off grid, like 0:45:57.880 --> 0:45:59.840 in the middle of nowhere, and you and your friends 0:45:59.880 --> 0:46:01.960 had of these, you can communicate through text thro through 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:04.400 phone to each other even if there is no network. Right. 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:07.560 The phones themselves do like make a network. They communicate 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:09.880 just just to each other, just to each other. They 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.000 do not connect to the why their internet. Yeah, which 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:14.839 is really cool and potentially extremely useful. This is this 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:18.000 is um There's a number of applications that this could have. Garrison, 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:20.600 you mentioned that the Atlanta Forest Defense people could benefit 0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:23.600 from something like this because it will effectively they're about 0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:25.799 two hundred bucks apiece. Anyone who can afford a few 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:28.680 of these, you can set up your own secure comm's 0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:31.480 network for wherever you are and whatever you're doing and 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:34.279 and the other. The other feature of this is that 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:37.920 you can set it onto something called sheep mode, where basically, 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:42.719 if if if you suspect that that someone who you 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:45.120 don't want to look at your phone, whether that's law enforcement, 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:48.960 whether that's other random random other people, you can set 0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:51.919 it to this mode that when they when they either 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:56.040 sees or gain gain possession of this device, all of 0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.279 the the the data is immediately wiped before they can 0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:02.520 actually open up the phone UM. And they will open 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:05.800 it up, they will see this fake profile that called 0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:08.719 the called not not fake profile, but like this this 0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:12.560 alternate profile called it called the sheep profile, which shows 0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:15.239 not not the stuff that not the stuff that you 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.000 were using the food for. You can then just be 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:19.919 blank or you could like stick other numbers in there. 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.040 You could have like a series of fake text. But 0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:24.480 and then and but if you ever regain possession of 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:28.160 the phone, you're able to put in UM a special 0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:32.280 a special password that will it will send the data. 0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:36.440 It'll it'll it'll send the data through encryption back onto 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.320 this device, so you still have the things that you 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:42.160 would have lost. And obviously there's a degree of like 0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:44.879 you would have to have some trust for the company, yes, 0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:47.600 which is says like and Ben says, like, we are 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:49.680 attempting to do this. He was very open about the 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:51.919 fact that that they have the phones. We saw them, 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.040 like some of this stuff is still getting built out. 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:55.879 It is it is is still in development. They're still 0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:58.640 figuring out in different ways to keep the server secure, 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:01.840 to protect the servers from subpoenas from the American government 0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:04.359 and from other from other governments. Like there's this this 0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:07.319 is still something that is being worked on. Uh. It 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:10.120 was just one of the you know, we we see 0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:12.400 a lot of like like a lot of lofty promises 0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:15.400 and very very little thing to show for this. This 0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:17.560 is one of the things that had actually, you know, 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:20.239 just this one guy that had you know, some pretty 0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:24.239 some pretty relatable promises UM and and it's very open 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:26.120 about what they have done and what they haven't done 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:28.160 and what they're trying to do now. He he he was, 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:30.239 he was he was not bullshitting. He wasn't trying to 0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:33.560 over emphasize what it can do um or what it 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:35.160 can do at the moment, like it's it's still being 0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:36.440 worked on. But this is one of one of the 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:38.359 one of the few, one of the future things that 0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:40.719 we will be that we will want to follow up on, 0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:43.279 and I think we're going to try to have been 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:45.080 on the show in the near future because they're going 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.360 to be doing a kickstarter to fund one of the 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:49.879 next phases of production of this um. But you can 0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:52.239 you can look them up yourself. You can buy the 0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:54.319 version one of their product, which is on sale and 0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:58.759 functional now at off grid phone dot com. Spelled the 0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:01.640 way you would expect UM. So yeah, check out off 0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.640 grid phone dot com. We found it interesting, will be 0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:08.160 following up on that. Um. Ben gave me very strong 0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:11.440 the good kind of libertarian vibes. Reminded me of a 0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:13.799 couple of people I've I used to hang out with 0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:17.239 in my youth, and it's very much is that kind 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:20.320 of like product of just a cranky guy who knows 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:24.360 tech and is angry at all of the data being 0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:26.480 sucked up and all of the data that we just 0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:30.520 kind of agree together, we're going to give away two 0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:34.239 unsavory characters because life in the modern world is kind 0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:36.360 of impossible if you don't do that. No, And like 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:39.000 one of one of the things on his signs was 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:41.680 something along the lines of don't let the pope po 0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:45.560 look at your phone, so like it's yeah, it is 0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.560 somebody who gets it. Yeah, yeah, we liked we liked 0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:51.839 ben Um so yeah, that is that is the dark 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:55.560 side of the future of tech, as this year's ce 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:58.799 S has unveiled it to us. Um. You know, this 0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:01.440 is the also the conclud usition of our reporting directly 0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:04.120 on the convention itself. We will have some reporting in 0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:06.000 the future that will be influenced by things we found 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:07.600 here that we're going to continue to look up. But 0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:09.759 um and and we should have we should have some 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:11.600 of the audio that we pulled from inside the convection 0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:15.000 center that should be edited together sometime in the future. 0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:17.360 Talk to Paler. That'll be fine, yes, as as a 0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:21.400 little kind of documentary, little daily diary of of of 0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:23.640 what we were actually doing on the ground. So that's 0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:26.080 being worked on. But this is this is as we're 0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:27.880 recording right now. This is the final day of CES. 0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:32.080 We are almost done. We have we are both very sore. 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:35.439 Is surprisingly hard on your body. We have to enter 0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:38.000 Eureka Park one more time, but then we will be finished, 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:41.440 and then we'll have to upload this and and edited 0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:43.400 the rest of the stuff we've made into into a 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:45.279 little piece for you. So that is that that is 0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:47.680 still coming. You say we, which was very generous. You're 0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:50.440 going to be doing that. Me and daniels I will 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:54.160 not be editing anything. UM. I don't know how to anyway, 0:50:55.080 --> 0:51:02.440 go to Hell. I love you. It could Happen here 0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:05.120 as a production of cool Zone Media. 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