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Speaker 1: Here we go, let's hit the inside scoop.

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Speaker 2: It is presented by Liz We've got to f t

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Speaker 2: senior insider Ken Rosenthal with us.

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Speaker 1: Ken. I'm gonna push forward first and we'll look.

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Speaker 2: Back for a moment, just because I think this is

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Speaker 2: the biggest storyline over the next few days. Bobaschett postgame

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Speaker 2: telling multiple people as he was being interviewed in that

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Speaker 1: He's ready to go. Do you think he's really ready

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Speaker 1: to go? And do we have any idea what that

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Speaker 3: I do believe he's ready to go. He actually told

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Speaker 3: me the same thing the night before. He said, I

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Speaker 3: will make myself available and I said to him, well,

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Speaker 3: will the team deem you available? And he said, I

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Speaker 3: assume that will be the case. So what is ahead

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Speaker 3: here is very interesting because if Bishek comes back, I

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Speaker 3: doubt it will be a shortstop. It's just too much.

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Speaker 3: And at that point, what do you do, Well, he's

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Speaker 3: probably the DH. If he's the DH, George Springer has

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Speaker 3: to go back into the field and you lose. Addison Barger,

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Speaker 3: Lucas and Barjar in particular has been kind of a

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Speaker 3: revelation out there, so I don't know how this is

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Speaker 3: going to play out. The other question I have, and

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of curious what AJ and Todd think, is,

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Speaker 3: here's a guy who has not been a part of

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Speaker 3: it since September sixth, through no fault of his own.

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Speaker 3: He's been hurt, but you've got something special going here,

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Speaker 3: and as important as he is to the team, does

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Speaker 3: it disrupt things a little bit if he comes back,

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Speaker 3: particularly if he struggles initially, which would not be a

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Speaker 3: great shock since he hasn't played in a month and

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Speaker 4: Ken I said this last night on the postgame show,

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Speaker 4: And I don't know what they're gonna do because I

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Speaker 4: don't know where he plays. You can't DHM because Springer's knee,

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Speaker 4: and Springer is not a great outfielder at this point

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Speaker 4: in his life anyways. And their defense in the outfit

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Speaker 4: has been really good with the way they have it

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Speaker 4: set up. And then Jimenez has been awesome at short

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Speaker 4: and I know they're going to say, oh, I'll take

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Speaker 4: ikf out and just move by shift to short. He

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Speaker 4: hasn't played shortstop, you know, in a month and a half.

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Speaker 4: He hasn't hit in a month and a half. He

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Speaker 4: can't move well enough to play shortstop, so do you.

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Speaker 4: And there was an old saying in baseball you don't

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Speaker 4: in there, right, And that's what it seems like it

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Speaker 4: would happen. I know Bobashitt is great. I love Boba shit.

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Speaker 4: I think he's one of the great player. But I

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Speaker 4: just don't know how they do this without affecting everyone.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you want to use him as a

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Speaker 4: pinch hit, fine, but God forbids, something goes wrong and

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Speaker 4: then they got to throw him out there on the field.

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Speaker 4: It's like, oh, man, or do you just say, look, Bo,

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Speaker 4: we're sorry you got hurt. We really do apologize, but

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Speaker 4: we've got to go with what got us here.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a great question, particularly because aj he is

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Speaker 3: a free agent to be and he's not going to

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Speaker 3: be part of their future. It's almost unquestionable that Andres

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Speaker 3: Jimenez will be their shortstop from here on forward. I

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Speaker 3: think that was part of the reason they acquired him

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Speaker 3: in the first place, to protect themselves if Bishett did

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Speaker 3: not sign. And I don't know that they ever expected

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Speaker 3: to sign him, and I don't know that many teams

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Speaker 3: a shortstop. His defensive metrics are not good. He's been

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Speaker 3: one of the worst shortstops in the league according to

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Speaker 3: those ratings. So if this is it for him, and

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Speaker 3: if you feel your team is better set this way

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Speaker 3: really interesting question. He's Bobashet, as you said, great hitter,

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Speaker 3: a huge part of what they have done in all

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Speaker 5: So my opinion, I feel like this guy is needed

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Speaker 5: think they're gonna have to take a chance. I just

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Speaker 3: Without Todd That's a great point, and that really is

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Speaker 3: the other side of this, that you're facing a team

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Speaker 3: are facing some of the best starting pitching we've seen

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Speaker 3: in the post seasons since I don't know, maybe AJ's

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Speaker 3: that and given who he is as a hitter, that's

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Speaker 3: the case for putting him on taking your best shot

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Speaker 3: as a team. It's just that all these other things

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Speaker 5: What a big inning they had yesterday, big walk and

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Speaker 3: That was a huge difference in this series. The Blue

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Speaker 3: And we saw Jimenez hit two big two home, two

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Speaker 3: Jimenez the guy who has not been a good offensive

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Speaker 3: They are one to nine certainly a team that puts

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Speaker 3: don't know, And it's interesting that they're going to start

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Speaker 4: Ken, I got to ask because I had before we

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Speaker 4: to the victory goes the spoils. Do you have your

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Speaker 4: with the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays played an incredible series.

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Speaker 4: They deserve a ton of credit. So do you have

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Blue Jays fans ready for us, because Scott

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Speaker 1: I'm going to jump in after whatever Ken says, but

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Speaker 3: Most of all, aj if you ever read me, which

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Speaker 3: Oh for me, they've written about the Blue Jays last year,

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Speaker 3: But hey, certainly they deserve all the credit for this season,

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Speaker 3: They've got great veteran leadership in that room, they have

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Speaker 3: And I wrote that at the start of the postseason, AJ,

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Speaker 4: Wait was that that was a weird way to apologize? Ken?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: That wasn't really And I'm sorry apologizing.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing to apologize for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, bring me in, Bring me in because I

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Speaker 2: want to. I want to add to this Ken because

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Speaker 2: I think it's important, not just for Age because he

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Speaker 1: No, that's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 1: That was the game.

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Speaker 2: wanted to make sure we hammered it and then we

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Speaker 2: can move on. Ken good stuff and we will talk

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Speaker 2: to you obviously later in the week about the World

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Speaker 2: Series matchup coming up.

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Speaker 3: Sounds good, guys. Thanks.

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Speaker 4: You see Ken, you see all kinds of good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Fox favorites together in one place. Milwaukee Journal sentinelbeit reporter

459
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Speaker 2: for the Brewers, Kurt Hogue is back on FT. We

460
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Speaker 2: haven't put the season to bed for Milwaukee. Obviously, it

461
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Speaker 2: went to bed this past weekend, and then we were

462
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Speaker 2: busy yesterday getting ready for Game seven. But now we're

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Speaker 2: going to say night night to Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: Kurt.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, and tell me your evaluation of

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five campaign for the Brewers and try

467
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Speaker 2: to look at it from a more global perspective of

468
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Speaker 2: how this team has been good consistently but not doing

469
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Speaker 2: enough damage in the postseason Or am I wrong?

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Speaker 7: No, You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 8: I think this year was a bit different than the

472
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Speaker 8: past four or five success years where they get bounced

473
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Speaker 8: early because they did win a playoff series, and not

474
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Speaker 8: only did they win a playoff series, they beat their

475
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Speaker 8: biggest rivals in the division, the Cubs, Craig Council, all

476
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Speaker 8: all that jazz, you can say, whateveryone about the celebration

477
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Speaker 8: after in the l Flag and then getting absolutely bludgeoned

478
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Speaker 8: by the Dodgers, and they're pitching obviously that I don't

479
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Speaker 8: know if there's ever been a better pitch series than

480
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Speaker 8: we saw from those four guys. The Brewers went six

481
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Speaker 8: to zero against them in the regular season and absolutely

482
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Speaker 8: outclassed in the in the postseason. So kind of difficult

483
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Speaker 8: to square those two things together. But ultimately, look, they

484
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Speaker 8: won ninety seven wins, Murph would say just about every

485
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Speaker 8: day until we all grew tired of it. No one

486
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Speaker 8: really expected a ton from them, Not even those who've

487
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Speaker 8: been around the team like myself, saw ninety seven wins

488
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Speaker 8: and an NLCS appearance coming. So look, it was a

489
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Speaker 8: successful season that ended, unfortunately for them, in the same

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Speaker 8: way that it always ends without a World Series ring.

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Speaker 5: I want to ask you. I was gonna ask something else,

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Speaker 5: but I heard you say something that they were out class.

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Speaker 5: Can you further explain to me of what your reasoning

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Speaker 5: for that is and how you came up with something

495
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Speaker 5: like that.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you saw the pitching, right, the fact that

497
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Speaker 8: the Dodgers and their big money arms came at you

498
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Speaker 8: time and time again. And it wasn't just the fact

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Speaker 8: that they out talented.

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Speaker 7: The Brewers in that series.

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Speaker 8: It felt like there was a lot going on in

502
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Speaker 8: terms of the Dodgers pitching against the Brewers hitting that

503
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Speaker 8: just didn't line up well for the Brewers. And Blake

504
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Speaker 8: Snell comes out in Game one and locates better than

505
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Speaker 8: we ever see him locate, and he's going heavy change ups,

506
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Speaker 8: and the Brewers could never just Yamamoto. They were chasing everything,

507
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Speaker 8: chasing splits. You know, it looked everything looked like fastball

508
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Speaker 8: coming out of the hand against him, and a team

509
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Speaker 8: that doesn't chase swung at everything. So it was sort

510
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Speaker 8: of that that stood up from that series the Dodgers.

511
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Speaker 8: The Bruce pitching did great, held them to fifteen runs

512
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Speaker 8: outside of show obviously hitting three homers in the final.

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Speaker 8: They pitched pretty dang well, but they just they couldn't

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Speaker 8: get anything going on offense.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned this was what you say a good year

516
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Speaker 4: for the Brewers. But a good year okay, they want

517
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Speaker 4: to They won a five game series, congratulations, but they

518
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Speaker 4: didn't make it the World Series. Again, they didn't. They

519
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Speaker 4: got they got William, They got whacked by the Dodgers

520
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Speaker 4: like you mentioned, right, So why do you say it's

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Speaker 4: just because they won the one playoff series against the

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Speaker 4: cub A team that they had. You know, it's kind

523
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Speaker 4: of their rival. So does that make the fans happy

524
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Speaker 4: in Milwaukee or did they still want more in Milwaukee

525
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Speaker 4: because I did a bunch of games in Milwaukee, and man,

526
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Speaker 4: do they they want more? Right? They want Mark Ontinasio

527
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Speaker 4: to spend that and take the next step. And here

528
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Speaker 4: we are talking about Freddy perrault to maybe being traded,

529
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Speaker 4: William Catreres maybe traded. Are they gonna pick up options?

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Speaker 4: You know, like will they take the next step to

531
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Speaker 4: really you know, and they cutting the payroll, yet they

532
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Speaker 4: keep winning. At some point those two don't work together.

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Speaker 4: So when will the ownership, much like we just talked

534
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Speaker 4: about with the Maritors, take the next step and say, hey,

535
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Speaker 4: when we fill this place every game we are packed,

536
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Speaker 4: every game, we may sell a ton of merchandise. We're

537
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Speaker 4: gonna throw more money at this team and really try

538
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Speaker 4: to take the next step.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Milwaukee's a place that there deserves a winner. It's

540
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Speaker 8: a great baseball city. You know that. You know, all

541
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Speaker 8: you guys that have been here, you know that they

542
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Speaker 8: sold i think twenty something games out in the second half.

543
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Speaker 8: The playoff atmospheres were incredible. It was I mean, yeah,

544
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Speaker 8: as it was a good year because they won ninety

545
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Speaker 8: seven games, and we all, i mean, like we've all

546
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Speaker 8: been around baseball for a long time. We know that

547
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Speaker 8: the playoffs can be fickled and you shouldn't probably just

548
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Speaker 8: use a postseason performance as a terminent entire season, and

549
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Speaker 8: this year was a step forward for the Brewers. But no, no,

550
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Speaker 8: you're absolutely right. You're kind of looking at them against

551
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Speaker 8: the Dodgers and this series and you're like, well, that's

552
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Speaker 8: that's your competition. You can kind of squeeze as much

553
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Speaker 8: out of the two toothpaste in the regular season. And

554
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Speaker 8: Matt Arnold his crew have done that time and time again.

555
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Speaker 8: Pat Murphy as a manager that he's done that in

556
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Speaker 8: both his seasons as well, and it's like, okay, well,

557
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Speaker 8: this is like best case, you win ninety seven games,

558
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Speaker 8: you get the one seed, the best record in baseball,

559
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Speaker 8: and then you get to the playoffs and it's like,

560
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Speaker 8: oh man, the talent level was disparity was really on display. No,

561
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Speaker 8: the Bruis played four bad games. The Dodgers played four

562
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Speaker 8: great games. That can happen at any point. Like I said,

563
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Speaker 8: the Bruis did beat them six times this season, but

564
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Speaker 8: when the chips were on the table and push came

565
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Speaker 8: to shove, they just didn't have the guys to compete

566
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Speaker 8: with the Dodgers. And you know, maybe that's not the

567
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Speaker 8: biggest knock in the world because it's the Dodgers. They

568
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Speaker 8: have all the guys. But the Brewers do need to

569
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Speaker 8: do something to up the top tier of their team

570
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Speaker 8: and be in a situation where they can compete in

571
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Speaker 8: that NLCS if they have to face the Dodgers again.

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Speaker 4: All right, Curl, I'm gonna running suit through some of

573
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Speaker 4: the decisions they have coming up. Shelby Miller, Jordan Montgomery,

574
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Speaker 4: their free agents. They're probably gone, right, we'll go. We'll

575
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Speaker 4: start with the options. William Coturs, that's an easy pickup

576
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Speaker 4: for me. Twelve million, that's an easy pickup, it seems

577
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Speaker 4: like to me. Reyese Hoskins seems like an easy He's

578
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Speaker 4: out the door. He didn't even play at the end.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't happy, right, Danny Jansen twelve million. They're not

580
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Speaker 4: picking that one up for a five hundred thousand dollars buyout. Sorry,

581
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Speaker 4: Freddy Peralta. They're already talking about trading him because they're

582
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Speaker 4: gonna pick up his option eight million dollars. The steal

583
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Speaker 4: of the year, Jose Cantana, they're not picking him up.

584
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Speaker 4: I don't think it's fifteen million. And then Brandon Woodruff

585
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Speaker 4: is the one that's interesting to me. Twenty million for

586
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Speaker 4: the option ten million dollar buyout. I would think he

587
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Speaker 4: would be a guy they would think about bringing back

588
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Speaker 4: your thoughts.

589
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the Brewers would be interested in that

590
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Speaker 8: because that's basically a ten million dollar deal for the

591
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Speaker 8: next year. But if you're Woody, I think you're getting

592
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Speaker 8: more than ten million on the market somewhere else. Now,

593
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Speaker 8: he pitched what eighteen nineteen games this year, somewhere in

594
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Speaker 8: that range, may fifteen games, and there is the history

595
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Speaker 8: of the shoulder. But in speaking with him, he feels

596
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Speaker 8: like he's at a full go next year, and we're

597
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Speaker 8: talking like workload, velocity stuff, all that stuff being back,

598
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Speaker 8: and so he probably will make more than ten miles

599
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Speaker 8: in the open market. And so this is like, look,

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Speaker 8: this is why mutual options almost never get picked up,

601
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Speaker 8: and then the Bruce case never get picked up.

602
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Speaker 7: So I could still see Woody being.

603
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Speaker 8: Back in Milwaukee if the two sides can work something out,

604
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Speaker 8: but they're gonna have to compete with some other clubs

605
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Speaker 8: on the open market because if he's at a full go, Like,

606
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Speaker 8: think about it, he was a three to two era

607
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Speaker 8: this year and he was throwing mid low nineties, mid

608
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Speaker 8: nineties when he was at his best, but mostly low nineties,

609
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Speaker 8: and like really pitching. Now, imagine if his fastballs are

610
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Speaker 8: back to to what we're used to seeing. That's a

611
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Speaker 8: guy that should generate some good interest this winter.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Kurt, how many more tricks does Pat Murphy have

613
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Speaker 4: up his sleep? He did the old average Joe's thing

614
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Speaker 4: this year, you know, he did the Woe is us

615
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Speaker 4: We're the little you know, the little engine that could

616
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Speaker 4: trick for the for the whole year this year, and

617
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Speaker 4: they had the best striking in baseball. What other tricks

618
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Speaker 4: does Pat Murphy have up his sleep?

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Speaker 7: I don't know, but there's more.

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Speaker 8: I guarantee you there's more you said in the production

621
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Speaker 8: meetings with him, There are more, Like I wouldn't be

622
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Speaker 8: surprised if we show up to spring training and they're

623
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Speaker 8: playing the underdog card again. I mean they it maybe

624
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Speaker 8: even be justified, Like the Cubs will probably pick to

625
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Speaker 8: win the division next year, and that's understandable. And if

626
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Speaker 8: they are, or Pakoda has the Brewers that like eighty

627
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Speaker 8: four wins again, guess who's gonna play that up. It's

628
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Speaker 8: gonna be Murph. That's what he does. And they're gonna

629
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Speaker 8: like they're just gonna go all in on the same

630
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Speaker 8: things again.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Kurt, I'll double down on the Freddy Peralta story.

632
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's gonna dominate the headlines. We know this

633
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Speaker 2: happens almost every off season now for the Brewers. Last

634
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Speaker 2: year it was Devin Williams. The year before that, it

635
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Speaker 2: was Corbyn Burns. It's Freddy Parolta talk time. Is there

636
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Speaker 2: any chance that they keep him? I mean, he's a

637
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Speaker 2: top five National league pitcher, he's cheap as hell, and

638
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: he's about to be a free agent. Isn't that a

639
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: lock for the Brewers to deal him away? And you

640
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: look at superstars that they've picked up for these past trades,

641
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: but valuable parts of the team, and they truly believe

642
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: that this is how they keep the train running and

643
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Speaker 2: not going through rebuild.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I wouldn't categorize it as a lock that he

646
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Speaker 8: gets traded, But everything that I've picked up and gathered

647
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Speaker 8: from people that are you know, inside the industry and

648
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Speaker 8: have some idea of what the Brewers might be thinking

649
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Speaker 8: is that they expect him to be traded. And look,

650
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Speaker 8: we've seen the Brewers do this for it.

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Speaker 7: Just like you mentioned.

652
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Speaker 8: Scott, the one guy that they didn't trade, if you remember,

653
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Speaker 8: is Willi Adamis and Freddy does share a few similarities

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Speaker 8: with Willy in terms of the importance to the clubhouse

655
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Speaker 8: and like what he means to the franchise, But there's

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Speaker 8: a difference between the two of them in their final

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Speaker 8: year of team controls that Willy was coming off and down.

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Speaker 8: Hear Freddy's gonna finish in the top five of cy

659
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Speaker 8: Young voting for this this this season and his contract.

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Speaker 8: Everyone in the league can take that on. So it's

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Speaker 8: not a sure thing the Brewers trade him. You're gonna

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Speaker 8: have to meet the price for sure. But all signs.

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Speaker 8: You know everything we know about how the Brewers like

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Speaker 8: to keep churning and don't want to avoid it.

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Speaker 7: They don't you know, they.

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Speaker 8: Don't want to have any potholes where they just really

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Speaker 8: stink for a couple of years. Like they want to

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Speaker 8: keep the talent pool full and get that young control talent.

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Speaker 8: Odds are Freddy Peralta could be moved this offseason.

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Speaker 5: Definitely, definitely to the guys in absolute God. Now along

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Speaker 5: those lines, guys getting moved, guys not getting picked up.

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Speaker 5: Can you talk a little bit about the minor leagues?

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Speaker 5: There is there anybody that you could see coming up

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Speaker 5: from Double A, Triple A that's going to make a

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Speaker 5: mark on this team and help them get that next

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Speaker 5: step forward in the playoffs.

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Speaker 8: I think it's interesting if you look at the Brewers window,

678
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Speaker 8: they have a really really good farm, So hazous Ma

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Speaker 8: Day obviously one of the top four or five prospects

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Speaker 8: probably in baseball.

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Speaker 7: Cooper Pratt's up there. Guys like that.

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Speaker 8: They have a really good system and they keep drafting

683
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Speaker 8: and developing well. But it's a little bit down the

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Speaker 8: road now that like guys like miss and Logan Henderson

685
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Speaker 8: and Robert Gasser have come up and they'll be in

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Speaker 8: the rotation next year. Like that's sort of the young

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Speaker 8: talent pool that they'll be relying on a lot next year.

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Speaker 8: And then maybe it's a couple of years down the

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Speaker 8: road when my day's up and Pratt's here and Jefferson

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Speaker 8: Caro's a starting catcher after Contraras leaves, like there, their

691
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Speaker 8: window is extended. There's not necessarily any guys like right

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Speaker 8: on the on the precipice of the big leagues next year,

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Speaker 8: although maybe you could argue that what we saw from

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Speaker 8: miss and the Posts in the postseason, he's on the

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Speaker 8: precipice of being like a really, really good big league pitcher.

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Speaker 8: There's still a lot for him to figure out, but

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Speaker 8: those kind of performances make you feel pretty good if

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Speaker 8: you're the Brewers about him as like a number two,

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Speaker 8: number three starter next year.

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Speaker 4: Now it's gonna be my question, what do they do

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Speaker 4: with him next year? Because going into listen be going

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Speaker 4: into the postseason, you know this curt they didn't really

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Speaker 4: hide it. They didn't even know what he was going

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Speaker 4: to be in the postseason. They didn't know if he's

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Speaker 4: gonna be on the roster. They didn't know if he

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Speaker 4: was going to be a starter or reliever. They didn't

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Speaker 4: know if they could trust him. And then he went

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Speaker 4: out and had some huge performances for him. So does

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Speaker 4: that automatically earn him back the trust of Murph and

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Speaker 4: and the coaching staff in the front offense and say, okay,

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Speaker 4: we can plug this guy into the rotation because he

712
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Speaker 4: did make the All Star team as a starter this year.

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Speaker 4: I mean, as controversial as it.

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Speaker 8: Was, Yeah, he's going to be a starter. I think

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Speaker 8: he's a lock for the opening day of rotation. The

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Speaker 8: Brewers are, you know, they're one of those teams that

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Speaker 8: they trust the stuff, and in the postseason that's what

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Speaker 8: they did. They trusted the stuff. No one had any idea.

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Speaker 8: I think Anyon would be lying to you if they

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Speaker 8: told you they knew that this was going to go

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Speaker 8: that well for miz. But you learn a lot about

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Speaker 8: the kid walking into Dodger Stadium and commanding the ball

723
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Speaker 8: like he did in commanding the moment in that Game three.

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Speaker 7: He was incredible.

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Speaker 8: He was lights out until he kind of ran out

726
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Speaker 8: of gas a little bit there at the end. So look,

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Speaker 8: if you're trading Freddy, you're doing so because you have

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Speaker 8: a lot of confidence that this guy, even though it

729
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Speaker 8: was a very rocky regular season, that he showed you

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Speaker 8: things that Brandon Woodriff and Corban Byrn showed you in

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Speaker 8: twenty eighteen. It's like it's that method, that model sort

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Speaker 8: of all over again, of like, oh, yeah, no, this guy,

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Speaker 8: this guy's a dude. He can be at the front

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Speaker 8: of our rotation.

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Speaker 2: Joke in coming, but what about Ashby starting every game

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Speaker 2: next year?

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Speaker 7: Hey, he might be a starter. He could be a starter.

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Speaker 4: They already tried that, I thought. Then they signed him

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Speaker 4: and then they made him relieve Remember he was a

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Speaker 4: starter at one point, but he couldn't throw enough strikes.

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Speaker 4: That's why they stuck him in. They did sign him

742
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Speaker 4: to that deal, and then they're like, oh, wait, maybe we.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't have done this. He's got a long term deal, right.

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Speaker 7: No, he does.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And there's also the shoulder injury. The shoulder surgery

746
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Speaker 8: kind of derailed that a little bit. So I could

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Speaker 8: see him wanting to start, right, wouldn't you, As you

748
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Speaker 8: got a couple of years left before he's going to

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Speaker 8: be a free agent again in a few years, that

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Speaker 8: would raise your value. And look, the dude's got what

751
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Speaker 8: like a nasty four or five pitch mix. And he's

752
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Speaker 8: proven he can start every day in the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: What more do you want?

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Speaker 4: You know, I mean, next to you talk about it.

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Speaker 4: If they've traded Freddy, which everyone kind of thinks is

756
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Speaker 4: gonna happen, they go Priester Gasser, miss Patrick, Patrick and

757
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 4: who Henderson. Yeah, but they better find some depth somewhere. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Remember when they had too many starters and they It's

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Speaker 2: just crazy how a season goes where. I mean we

760
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Speaker 2: looked at them, We're like, damn, the Brewers actually have

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Speaker 2: a surplus.

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Speaker 8: And then and then they had gotten they had had

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Speaker 8: one point five starters in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: It was the point five Ashby pre sir, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: but he didn't even start. They started Ashby exactly.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he could get you like two times.

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Speaker 4: Today at once and Ashby and who was the other one?

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Speaker 7: McGill start. McGill opened the game.

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Speaker 8: Quintana pitched Game four against the Dodgers, didn't go well.

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Speaker 8: So I'm going one point five starters and then some openers.

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Speaker 2: Chad Patrick had a pretty good season, but didn't have

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Speaker 2: enough confidence in him being a guy that could begetting

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Speaker 2: and then he gave.

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Speaker 4: Up the ball out of the stadium to show him

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00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 4: they realized they might have been right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had good and bad.

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Speaker 4: Actually, him and priests are actually really good for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they both had what one like, really bad inning

779
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: and then the rest were pretty much good from what

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Speaker 2: I remember. Yeah, it's getting to be a blur. But

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Speaker 2: all right, well, Kirk, you know, Kurt, we'll talk again, obviously.

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Speaker 2: And great coverage of the postseason. Thanks for joining us. Man,

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the condre, Kurt, Kurt, thanks man, All right,

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Speaker 2: thanks guys,