WEBVTT - The Disappearance of Tiffany Whitton : Part 2 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:10.160 You place your left hand on the bay of Bible 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.520 and raise your right hand and repeat after me. I 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:18.080 do solemnly swear the jury trying it attended, not scared. 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.400 The protest continued that weekend in Ferguson and around the country. 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:26.720 Resistant makes no sense. If it doesn't fit, you must equit. Judge. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.880 You are the last line of reason in this case. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.239 Every one of us took it all the office, and 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:38.959 we're sworn to uphold the Constitution. From Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta, 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:47.160 this is Sworn. I'm your host, Philip Holloway. Every lead 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:52.080 that has been followed in, every person who's come forward, 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:56.880 and every little bit of evidence leads one place, then 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:09.360 that's actually called m M hi. I'm your host, Philip Holloway. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.959 On this episode of Sworn, we continued delving into the 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:17.399 Tiffany within disappearance. We've seen the walmart In first, and 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.000 we've gone through the timeline as best as we know 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.720 it to be. We now have a better idea of 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.679 who Tiffany is. Now it's time to talk about what 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.000 is being done a little over four years later to 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:52.320 keep this case actually alive. This is Sworn. I'm Jesse Evans, 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.120 I'm chief Assistant District Attorney with the Cobb d A's office. 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.040 My I have the opportunity to sit down with both 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.960 Prosecutor Jesse Evans and to Afy's mother, Lisa Daniels, and 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.280 we were able to discuss this case as a group. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.560 Is everybody basically working off the presumption that this is 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.880 a homicide at this point. At this point, there's no 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.400 other reasonable explanation for what could have happened to Tiffany, 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.200 So we are treating it as an active homicide investigation, 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.160 looking at all the circumstances surrounding her disappearance, in the 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.480 complete lack of contact that anyone has had with her 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.680 since her disappearance in September of two thousand and fourteen. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.280 I don't think there's any way for us to look 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.560 at this objectively and see that it needs to be 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.680 treated in any other way. Is there any specific set 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.160 of criteria that you used to decide when the treat 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.640 a missing person's case is a homicide or is it 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.160 sort of a totality of the circumstances. I think it's 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.480 really got to be a totality of the circumstances. Um 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.799 you know, every case is a little bit different, and 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.000 while open to the possibility that certain people might in 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.000 some instances want to make themselves scarce, they mightn't want 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:57.040 to go live a different lifestyle, there are certainly circumstances 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:58.960 you can look at that show that, well, that person 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.040 is still around, that person's still able to be found 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:03.960 if somebody wanted to find them, and this is not 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.639 one of those cases. There have been similar cases I've 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.560 worked on where you just look at all the facts 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:12.200 and circumstances and you realize something is wrong here, something 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:16.400 is different than your normal situation, where perhaps a person 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.840 is involved in this drug culture and immerse themselves in 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:21.280 such a way that they don't want to be found 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:22.840 by a loved one. This is simply not the case 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.520 with Tiffany Winton. There's always challenges when you're dealing with 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.000 cold cases in general. There are added challenges when there's 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.360 been a delay in US being able to get involved 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.320 in the investigation, and I think that's one of the 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.960 biggest challenges that we started off with. You know, I 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:41.280 personally get involved in these major crimes investigations very early on, 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.720 and early on for us was not until after January 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.120 of two thousand and fourteen unfortunately, and by that time, 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.720 there have been some months that had passed before she 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.200 had disappeared, and that creates a lot of issues for us, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.360 a lot of legal and factual issues for cold case 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.520 investigators and prosecutors such as myself to go back and 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.200 try to piece together and a quick timeline of of 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.560 what could have happened. We have a unique circumstance here 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.440 where we actually have video footage of the last time 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.640 that Tiffany Witten was known to be alive, and that 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.200 creates a good starting point for where we need to 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.920 go from there to figure out what were the last 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.000 moments like, what were the last hours like with her 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.960 before she essentially disappeared from the face of the earth, 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.040 And people don't just disappear from the face of the earth. 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:29.640 What additional challenges can arise due to a delay in reporting? Sure, 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:31.719 I think probably a lot of your listeners and a 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.000 lot of the general public are familiar with the show 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:35.560 the First forty eight And there's a lot to be 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.279 said about the first forty eight reality based TV show 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.719 where they talk about the importance of the first forty 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.719 eight hours of an investigation, and and I would agree 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.400 with the premise that early on in the investigation. That's 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.640 when you're right to get clues that could assist with 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:53.359 a criminal investigation. We had a compounding problem with the 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.360 beginning of this investigation in that um she she had 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.159 already sort of been living in this this culture where 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.240 she didn't have very much contact with family members and 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.600 loved ones. Add to it that she was admittedly involved 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.360 in the crime shoplifting caught on video at a Walmart 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.560 locally and probably had some concerns about that. Then you 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:14.880 add to it that there's a delay in reporting, and 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:18.280 then once it is reported. I don't fault my investigators 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.120 for this, but there's a kind of a skepticism that 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.360 sometimes law enforcement as when they first look at these 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.719 cases and see, well, here's a person that's got a 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.599 criminal history and admittedly has been involved in the drug 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.200 scene for some period of time. Here is this merely 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.040 a missing person's case or something more sinister going on. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.920 So it wasn't until we really started appealing the layers 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.480 of the young that we started to realize, Hey, something 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.200 happened in September of two thousand and thirteen, and all 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.679 the red flags are there. What do we know about 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.839 the last known moments of her life on video. We 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:55.479 saw her with her then boyfriend, individual named Ashley Caudle. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.400 They were at a local Walmart city of Marietta about 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:03.000 two o'clock in the morning. By just a lay persons observations, 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.560 it was clear that she was probably on drugs at 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:09.440 the time and he probably was too. She's there for 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.200 some period of time, going through clothing gracks and things 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:16.279 like that, and eventually gets to the checkout location. It's 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.360 one of those areas where you can check out on 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.960 your own, you don't need a customer service representative to 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.720 help you. And this entire time not known to her, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.200 but there were lost prevention officers that were watching her 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.520 in the store. That would be easy to do considering 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.400 how early morning hour than this was. There weren't rent 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.839 many people in the store anyway. So what happened is 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.240 she attempted to steal something, something minor. It was. I 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.920 think it's probably worth fourteen eighteen dollars from what Loss 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.960 Prevention has told me. And as she passed the point 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:43.880 of sale and was about to leave the store, she 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:47.159 was approached by two loss prevention officers who attempting to 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.000 detain her. They did so as is their practice and 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.520 custom by grabbing an item of hers knowing that she 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.599 probably wouldn't want to leave it, that being a purse, 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.800 you could see that she literally left out of a 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.720 sandal and left out of her purse and ran out 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.240 into the darkness through the doors of the Walmart and 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.200 out into the parking lot. Her boyfriend remained for just 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.599 a brief moment at the doorway, then he turned and 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.760 walked out into the darkness as well. And that's the 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:16.200 last firm independent documentation of her life, this event that 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.480 just happened to have been caught on Walmart surveillance video 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.000 because of the fact that she was admittedly committing this 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.559 misdemean or crime of shoplifting at two o'clock in the morning, 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.880 and are there videos in the parking lot? You know, 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.960 we attempted to get videos in the parking lot and 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.880 we were not successful in getting them understand this too. 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.680 It was my understanding loss prevention called law enforcement. They 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.840 did cursory check into this. I don't even know that 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.880 a full police report was made, but nobody really realized 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.880 what the gravity of the situation was. So it was 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.400 some months afterwards before we even got involved that we 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:48.840 even wanted to go back and look at any of 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.560 the video. Unfortunately for us, the inside video was retained 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.040 because they had kept this as a shoplifting investigation. But 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.080 we're not successful in getting any exterior video because nobody 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.520 realized what the significance of that might be for lost prevention. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.840 Just like regular law enforcement, you want to keep the 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.000 evidence that as most probative, and obviously any evidence catching 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.560 somebody on video committing a shoplifting committing a crime, that's 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.640 going to be important for them, and they're gonna automatically 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:17.120 retain that. But most stores do not to retain all 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.560 video that they have for their store for an indefinite 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.720 period of time. It's kept for a finite period of time, 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.640 takes up a lot of space in their databases. Oftentimes 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.280 it's on a loop, it actually starts recording over itself. 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.280 So we attempted to get video from the exterior of 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.760 the Walmart, and we just weren't successful. Of course, there 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.240 was this pretty significant delay before we realized that that 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.720 might be of importance to us. But for the fact 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.880 that there was a shoplifting involved, we might not have 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.040 even been able to catch these moments um inside the store. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.920 They were retained for any future criminal prosecution if it 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.880 ever developed. She's an adult, you know, she's not a child. 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.240 I kind of was of the same mind as law 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.080 enforcement in the beginning that she was shoplifting. We found 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.480 that out, so we knew that she had gotten caught 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.920 shoplifting at Walmart. So she's on for all. So what's 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.680 my first instinct. She's laying low. She knows she's gonna 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.400 be in trouble. So there was really no reason for 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:12.360 us to be alarmed initially. But that said, I mean, 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.240 I would encourage anybody now, knowing what I know now, 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.439 that if they have an adult child in this situation, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.160 drug life, whatever the case may be, and you haven't 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.319 heard from them, and you can't put eyes on them 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.000 or hear their voice. I don't care about text messages, 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.199 hear their voice, or put eyes on them, you should 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.480 report the missing. If I had it to go back 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.760 and do over again, I would change the way I 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.640 did it. However, I don't think law enforcement would have 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:43.200 been inclined to investigate at that point either. The first 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.400 flag that went up was when my parents received a 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:52.439 letter that was from Walmart's attorneys. This is the standard 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.040 procedure for Walmart. If you get caught shop lift thing, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.240 you'll get a letter from their attorneys saying, pay us 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.839 some money and we won't follow any civil charges. That 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.080 makes it look like they'll drop the charges, but they're 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.520 just promising not to follow a civil suit if you 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.680 pay them restitution. So two of those letters came to 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.000 my parents home because that was the address that was 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.600 listed on her driver's license, which they had because they 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.720 had her purse. Okay, so they knew who she was. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.280 That's one reason why they didn't really go after her 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.440 was because they had her purse. They knew who she was. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.760 So I want to follow up with that real quick. 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.120 Why would they be seeking restitution when she didn't get 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.440 away from the store with any property. I don't know. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.120 That's a good question, maybe one you should ask them. 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.800 I don't know. Do you know, either of you why 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.400 Walmart didn't call nine one one or call the police 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.320 to report. I think that they did call the police. 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.280 I believe Mary had a police were dispatched, but they 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.280 didn't do They're not going to do an all outsearch 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.960 for a petty shoplifter. I mean, they're just not going 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.679 to do that, especially when they've got other things going on, 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.079 and nobody got away with any property exactly, and they 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.880 had her purse. They knew who she was. I don't 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.480 know the intent to prosecute. I really don't know where 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.240 it was going to go from there. What happened to 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:10.760 Ashley Caudle that evening that morning? Looking at the video, 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:12.640 we know that he went out into the parking lot, 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.559 and we know that he interacted with some people that 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.760 he knew that we're around that area. This is not 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:20.440 an area that was unfamiliar to him and unfamiliar to 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.040 the Tiffany. They both spent some periods of time around 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.080 this area before, as well as in the Powder Springs area, 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.920 So we know that he had some interactions with some 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.400 individuals into the morning hours who saw him there. We 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.760 have not found anyone that saw her there at that 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.079 area after she left the walmart. Well, that walmart is 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.040 just a mile or so away from here, and it's 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.760 not exactly out of the way location. It's a lot 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.600 of people of I guess from all walks of life, 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.040 would go there, but maybe just not at two o'clock 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.440 in the more. It's a pretty busy area around the walmart. 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.679 There's a lot of restaurants, a lot of extended stay motels, 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.199 and we do have in terms of drug arrest it's 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.400 an area where we make on a significant amount of 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.480 arrests for drug possession and drug use, particularly the extended 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.559 state motels. So it is a populated area, but there 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.959 are little pockets as well, just off the more populated 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.280 areas where you can find some quiet space. So there's 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:17.800 a lot of I was driving by there of the 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:19.559 other day and I just happened to notice because I 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:21.800 wanted to look, but I noticed that there's a lot 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:28.520 of businesses that likely have some type of exterior surveillance cameras, banks, 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.320 you've got a t m S in the area. Have 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.840 all those things been checked In an ideal situation, had 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.920 we known on September thirteenth or September fourteenth of two 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.880 thousand and thirteen that this was going to turn into 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.520 what it was, we would have hit all those locations 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.760 for any potential surveillance. But going back to one of 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.679 the issues we had discussed previously about retention and business 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.800 retention of surveillance, we've not been successful and being able 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.559 to get any usable surveillance video with the delay in 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.400 time from when this investigation change, which really wasn't until 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.560 around January of two thousand and fourteen. It's been my 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:08.240 experience that businesses just don't keep surveillance material unless they 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.760 need to for more than about a month. That's correct. 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.320 It's been my experience too. You know. I almost wish 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.440 in many instances we could go back to some of 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.120 our businesses and ask them to use, first of all, 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.760 more modern systems. Secondly, asked them to have a longer 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.360 retention policy. But it's just not feasible for some of 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.680 these businesses to be able to do that, and it 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.720 does complicate things. I think the general public watches TV 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.360 and they they imagine that because there's a camera on 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.640 every corner um that somehow magically we're able to tap 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.520 into a master database and be able to download that 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.720 footage at will. And it's just simply not the case 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.400 in the reality of law enforcement. Unless you happen to 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.520 have a business entity that's interested in retaining something for 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:51.640 some particular reason, such as it containing evidence of a shoplifting, 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.640 then it's more likely than not with time, the passage 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.480 of time, you're not gonna be able to get the surveillance. 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.800 And that's what we have here? Why was it that 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.400 nobody was able to paying her cell phone to triangulate 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.600 her location because she didn't have it with her. I 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.520 read something in another media report, and I forget which 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.400 one it was. I read that at some point in time, someone, 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.280 if I'm not mistake, it was in your family, felt 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.520 that she had reached out to them over social media 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.119 or was it by text? There actually was a Facebook 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:26.480 message sent to her half brother on his birthday, but 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:31.840 when he messaged back to say, you know, hey, what's up? 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.240 Where are you? There was never any response. Someone from 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.200 her Facebook account sent a message to her half brother 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.760 saying happy birthday. The key is we don't know for 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.760 sure who actually sent that because she did not have 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.320 her phone. Let me ask you this, would anybody who 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.840 had her phone been able to access her Facebook account? Yes? 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:56.600 I did access her Facebook account, and when I opened 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:02.880 it there were hundreds of unread messages, notifications, friend requests, hundreds, 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.600 so I knew that she had not accessed her Facebook. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.480 The issue is then that someone that probably wasn't her, 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:15.080 and it wasn't you, accessed her Facebook account and send 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:20.680 a message after she was reported missing, but nothing before 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:28.920 she was reported missing. We've had a number of leads, 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.880 I'll go as far to say false leads that have 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.720 come up over the years, and we look into everything. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.040 One of them, we attempted to look into that lead 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.760 pretty good and we just don't have any reason to 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.520 believe that that was a message from Tiffany to her 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.960 half brother. There's no evidence to support that, um and 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.000 not not to call anyone out, but there's been a 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:54.280 lack of cooperation on the part of maybe some of 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.560 her family members as well, who are more on the 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:00.280 fringes to help us and involve investigating looking some of 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.160 those leads as well, which is even more evidence that 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.600 they're they're probably false leads. You know, she left Walmart 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.760 when she ran out those doors, she had no idea, 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:12.240 no phone, no shoes. What do we know about the 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:17.120 last a twelve hours before she went missing? Just to summarize, 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.360 he talked about it being a fairly normal period of 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.880 time with himself and Tiffany prior to the Walmart incident. 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.240 He gave us a bit of a timeline of different 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:30.040 places he had been a house, a friend's house, using 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.760 the friends pickup truck. Talked about the events in the Walmart, 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.880 a lot of which, like I said, we're captured on videos, 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.040 so some of it we could we could look at 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.720 pretty quickly and be able to compare to his statement UM. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.560 And then his assertion about what happened afterwards was that 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.480 she ran out of the walmart and he just never 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.680 saw her again. That he claimed he attempted to find her, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.400 claimed that he searched the area. He admitted to some 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.480 of the people that he had talked to UM, many 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.840 of whom we've now spoken with and UM. His his 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.000 assertion is that he tried his best to find her 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.160 to and wasn't able to do so. Did he say 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.160 what he did, like, did he say that I went 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.200 to the ihup or I went to this place or 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.520 that place? Was he specific or was he general? He 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.440 was UM, both general and specific. Generally, he said I 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.240 looked for UM. When pressed on the specifics, he admit 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.840 that he went to um uh an I Hoop, which 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.080 is at that location. He happened to know somebody there 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.080 who ran into him at at the location. UM, so 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.920 we were able to talk to her and confirm that UM. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.880 His claim was that he called for a friend and 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:36.760 that he wrote around with a friend for a while 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:41.200 looking for her and UM, so there were a mix 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.359 of of some specifics and some generalities about what had occurred. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.760 But ultimately what he said basically was that despite his 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.119 attempts to find her, UH, he wasn't able to get 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.560 in touch with her. What were you able to do 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.800 with regard to her phone records that may have added 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:01.440 anything to what you know? We've gone through phone records extensively, 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:05.400 and from a modern law enforcement perspective, that's almost always 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.720 a good starting place is looking at phone records, UH, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.920 cell tower analysis, those types of things. And we did 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.240 that not only with her phone, UM, we did that 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.800 with a number of other target cell phones as well, 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.439 and UM there wasn't a whole lot of activity that 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.480 was beneficial to us. I think people have this misconception 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.440 that as long as you're carrying your phone, there's gonna 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.240 be activity on it. That sometimes the case and sometimes 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.080 not kind of depends on whether you have apps open, 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:33.800 whether there are things run in the background, whether you're 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.040 actively texting somebody or making phone calls. But when there's 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.560 limited activity, there's going to be limited information that you're 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.800 able to get back from the cell companies as well. 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.720 But part of my responsibility is the head of the 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.560 cold case unit, is to make sure that my guys, 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.479 my investigators are looking at all that cell phone evidence. 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.840 And over the years we have repeatedly looked at, analyzed, 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:58.000 and reanalyzed the cell phone evidence. Um so far it 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:02.439 has not yielded, uh anything that's a smoking gun, so 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:06.320 to speak. As to explaining the mystery of how she disappeared, 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.200 it's my understanding that she may have had some issues 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.199 with paying her her cell phone bill, so most of 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.159 her contact with the outer world was actually by by 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:19.200 Facebook messaging at least until September thirteenth of two thousand thirteen, 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.040 and then the Facebook messaging essentially stopped. Do you know 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:26.720 about how old Tiffany was when she started on the 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:31.240 path that led her to that walmart In, I really 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.439 couldn't say. I mean, she had issues honestly from middle 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:39.240 school um behavioral issues and hanging with the wrong people. 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:44.040 There were no instances of drinking, drugs anything like that 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.240 when she was younger. It wasn't really until she was 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.640 away from home and still kind of hanging around people 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.960 she shouldn't have been hanging around. And I think by 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.679 the time I realized that I really knew that she 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:01.480 was into drugs. She was really into drugs by that point, 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.119 so she she had done a pretty good job for 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.080 quite a while of hiding it pretty well. Um. The 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:12.080 one time that I suspected there was something going on, um, 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:15.640 you know, I had her daughter and I had told her, 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.600 you need to come and take her to the doctor. 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:20.560 It's time for her check up. I have to work. 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:22.520 You need to come and take her. She's your child, 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.000 Come take her to the doctor. Oh yeah, no problem, 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.160 no problem. So she comes down the night before, spends 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.480 the night, and I find out when I get home 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:36.680 the next day that she had slept the entire day 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:40.040 and almost completely missed the appointment. I found this out 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.080 from my young daughter, who basically had to watch her 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:47.840 little niece all day while Tiffany slept. And I knew. 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.840 I knew then that there was that wasn't right. How 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:55.639 old was her daughter when she disappeared, Um, she was six. 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:02.080 Did she still have any interaction with her daughter? Not really? Um, 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.080 because of the drug situation. You know, it was just 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:07.520 such a tough call. We didn't really know what to 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:12.200 do in that situation. You know, she's using drugs, she's unstable, 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:15.880 she's in and out. We don't know when she's gonna 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:19.200 be here when she's not, and this is a little 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.439 child who doesn't understand. So it was you know, that 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.479 was a tough call to keep her away, but we 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.880 did keep her away. But the goal was at some 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:33.960 point to have them, you know, interact until hopefully, at 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:36.399 some point Tiffany got clean and could parent her. That 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.040 was the ultimate goal. This will never be a case 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:43.080