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Speaker 1: this is Sworn. I'm your host, Philip Holloway. Every lead
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Speaker 1: On this episode of Sworn, we continued delving into the
Speaker 1: Tiffany within disappearance. We've seen the walmart In first, and
Speaker 1: we've gone through the timeline as best as we know
Speaker 1: it to be. We now have a better idea of
Speaker 1: who Tiffany is. Now it's time to talk about what
Speaker 1: is being done a little over four years later to
Speaker 1: keep this case actually alive. This is Sworn. I'm Jesse Evans,
Speaker 1: I'm chief Assistant District Attorney with the Cobb d A's office.
Speaker 1: My I have the opportunity to sit down with both
Speaker 1: Prosecutor Jesse Evans and to Afy's mother, Lisa Daniels, and
Speaker 1: we were able to discuss this case as a group.
Speaker 1: Is everybody basically working off the presumption that this is
Speaker 1: a homicide at this point. At this point, there's no
Speaker 1: other reasonable explanation for what could have happened to Tiffany,
Speaker 1: So we are treating it as an active homicide investigation,
Speaker 1: looking at all the circumstances surrounding her disappearance, in the
Speaker 1: complete lack of contact that anyone has had with her
Speaker 1: since her disappearance in September of two thousand and fourteen.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way for us to look
Speaker 1: at this objectively and see that it needs to be
Speaker 1: treated in any other way. Is there any specific set
Speaker 1: of criteria that you used to decide when the treat
Speaker 1: a missing person's case is a homicide or is it
Speaker 1: sort of a totality of the circumstances. I think it's
Speaker 1: really got to be a totality of the circumstances. Um
Speaker 1: you know, every case is a little bit different, and
Speaker 1: while open to the possibility that certain people might in
Speaker 1: some instances want to make themselves scarce, they mightn't want
Speaker 1: to go live a different lifestyle, there are certainly circumstances
Speaker 1: you can look at that show that, well, that person
Speaker 1: is still around, that person's still able to be found
Speaker 1: if somebody wanted to find them, and this is not
Speaker 1: one of those cases. There have been similar cases I've
Speaker 1: worked on where you just look at all the facts
Speaker 1: and circumstances and you realize something is wrong here, something
Speaker 1: is different than your normal situation, where perhaps a person
Speaker 1: is involved in this drug culture and immerse themselves in
Speaker 1: such a way that they don't want to be found
Speaker 1: by a loved one. This is simply not the case
Speaker 1: with Tiffany Winton. There's always challenges when you're dealing with
Speaker 1: cold cases in general. There are added challenges when there's
Speaker 1: been a delay in US being able to get involved
Speaker 1: in the investigation, and I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: biggest challenges that we started off with. You know, I
Speaker 1: personally get involved in these major crimes investigations very early on,
Speaker 1: and early on for us was not until after January
Speaker 1: of two thousand and fourteen unfortunately, and by that time,
Speaker 1: there have been some months that had passed before she
Speaker 1: had disappeared, and that creates a lot of issues for us,
Speaker 1: a lot of legal and factual issues for cold case
Speaker 1: investigators and prosecutors such as myself to go back and
Speaker 1: try to piece together and a quick timeline of of
Speaker 1: what could have happened. We have a unique circumstance here
Speaker 1: where we actually have video footage of the last time
Speaker 1: that Tiffany Witten was known to be alive, and that
Speaker 1: creates a good starting point for where we need to
Speaker 1: go from there to figure out what were the last
Speaker 1: moments like, what were the last hours like with her
Speaker 1: before she essentially disappeared from the face of the earth,
Speaker 1: And people don't just disappear from the face of the earth.
Speaker 1: What additional challenges can arise due to a delay in reporting? Sure,
Speaker 1: I think probably a lot of your listeners and a
Speaker 1: lot of the general public are familiar with the show
Speaker 1: the First forty eight And there's a lot to be
Speaker 1: said about the first forty eight reality based TV show
Speaker 1: where they talk about the importance of the first forty
Speaker 1: eight hours of an investigation, and and I would agree
Speaker 1: with the premise that early on in the investigation. That's
Speaker 1: when you're right to get clues that could assist with
Speaker 1: a criminal investigation. We had a compounding problem with the
Speaker 1: beginning of this investigation in that um she she had
Speaker 1: already sort of been living in this this culture where
Speaker 1: she didn't have very much contact with family members and
Speaker 1: loved ones. Add to it that she was admittedly involved
Speaker 1: in the crime shoplifting caught on video at a Walmart
Speaker 1: locally and probably had some concerns about that. Then you
Speaker 1: add to it that there's a delay in reporting, and
Speaker 1: then once it is reported. I don't fault my investigators
Speaker 1: for this, but there's a kind of a skepticism that
Speaker 1: sometimes law enforcement as when they first look at these
Speaker 1: cases and see, well, here's a person that's got a
Speaker 1: criminal history and admittedly has been involved in the drug
Speaker 1: scene for some period of time. Here is this merely
Speaker 1: a missing person's case or something more sinister going on.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't until we really started appealing the layers
Speaker 1: of the young that we started to realize, Hey, something
Speaker 1: happened in September of two thousand and thirteen, and all
Speaker 1: the red flags are there. What do we know about
Speaker 1: the last known moments of her life on video. We
Speaker 1: saw her with her then boyfriend, individual named Ashley Caudle.
Speaker 1: They were at a local Walmart city of Marietta about
Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning. By just a lay persons observations,
Speaker 1: it was clear that she was probably on drugs at
Speaker 1: the time and he probably was too. She's there for
Speaker 1: some period of time, going through clothing gracks and things
Speaker 1: like that, and eventually gets to the checkout location. It's
Speaker 1: one of those areas where you can check out on
Speaker 1: your own, you don't need a customer service representative to
Speaker 1: help you. And this entire time not known to her,
Speaker 1: but there were lost prevention officers that were watching her
Speaker 1: in the store. That would be easy to do considering
Speaker 1: how early morning hour than this was. There weren't rent
Speaker 1: many people in the store anyway. So what happened is
Speaker 1: she attempted to steal something, something minor. It was. I
Speaker 1: think it's probably worth fourteen eighteen dollars from what Loss
Speaker 1: Prevention has told me. And as she passed the point
Speaker 1: of sale and was about to leave the store, she
Speaker 1: was approached by two loss prevention officers who attempting to
Speaker 1: detain her. They did so as is their practice and
Speaker 1: custom by grabbing an item of hers knowing that she
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't want to leave it, that being a purse,
Speaker 1: you could see that she literally left out of a
Speaker 1: sandal and left out of her purse and ran out
Speaker 1: into the darkness through the doors of the Walmart and
Speaker 1: out into the parking lot. Her boyfriend remained for just
Speaker 1: a brief moment at the doorway, then he turned and
Speaker 1: walked out into the darkness as well. And that's the
Speaker 1: last firm independent documentation of her life, this event that
Speaker 1: just happened to have been caught on Walmart surveillance video
Speaker 1: because of the fact that she was admittedly committing this
Speaker 1: misdemean or crime of shoplifting at two o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: and are there videos in the parking lot? You know,
Speaker 1: we attempted to get videos in the parking lot and
Speaker 1: we were not successful in getting them understand this too.
Speaker 1: It was my understanding loss prevention called law enforcement. They
Speaker 1: did cursory check into this. I don't even know that
Speaker 1: a full police report was made, but nobody really realized
Speaker 1: what the gravity of the situation was. So it was
Speaker 1: some months afterwards before we even got involved that we
Speaker 1: even wanted to go back and look at any of
Speaker 1: the video. Unfortunately for us, the inside video was retained
Speaker 1: because they had kept this as a shoplifting investigation. But
Speaker 1: we're not successful in getting any exterior video because nobody
Speaker 1: realized what the significance of that might be for lost prevention.
Speaker 1: Just like regular law enforcement, you want to keep the
Speaker 1: evidence that as most probative, and obviously any evidence catching
Speaker 1: somebody on video committing a shoplifting committing a crime, that's
Speaker 1: going to be important for them, and they're gonna automatically
Speaker 1: retain that. But most stores do not to retain all
Speaker 1: video that they have for their store for an indefinite
Speaker 1: period of time. It's kept for a finite period of time,
Speaker 1: takes up a lot of space in their databases. Oftentimes
Speaker 1: it's on a loop, it actually starts recording over itself.
Speaker 1: So we attempted to get video from the exterior of
Speaker 1: the Walmart, and we just weren't successful. Of course, there
Speaker 1: was this pretty significant delay before we realized that that
Speaker 1: might be of importance to us. But for the fact
Speaker 1: that there was a shoplifting involved, we might not have
Speaker 1: even been able to catch these moments um inside the store.
Speaker 1: They were retained for any future criminal prosecution if it
Speaker 1: ever developed. She's an adult, you know, she's not a child.
Speaker 1: I kind of was of the same mind as law
Speaker 1: enforcement in the beginning that she was shoplifting. We found
Speaker 1: that out, so we knew that she had gotten caught
Speaker 1: shoplifting at Walmart. So she's on for all. So what's
Speaker 1: my first instinct. She's laying low. She knows she's gonna
Speaker 1: be in trouble. So there was really no reason for
Speaker 1: us to be alarmed initially. But that said, I mean,
Speaker 1: I would encourage anybody now, knowing what I know now,
Speaker 1: that if they have an adult child in this situation,
Speaker 1: drug life, whatever the case may be, and you haven't
Speaker 1: heard from them, and you can't put eyes on them
Speaker 1: or hear their voice. I don't care about text messages,
Speaker 1: hear their voice, or put eyes on them, you should
Speaker 1: report the missing. If I had it to go back
Speaker 1: and do over again, I would change the way I
Speaker 1: did it. However, I don't think law enforcement would have
Speaker 1: been inclined to investigate at that point either. The first
Speaker 1: flag that went up was when my parents received a
Speaker 1: letter that was from Walmart's attorneys. This is the standard
Speaker 1: procedure for Walmart. If you get caught shop lift thing,
Speaker 1: you'll get a letter from their attorneys saying, pay us
Speaker 1: some money and we won't follow any civil charges. That
Speaker 1: makes it look like they'll drop the charges, but they're
Speaker 1: just promising not to follow a civil suit if you
Speaker 1: pay them restitution. So two of those letters came to
Speaker 1: my parents home because that was the address that was
Speaker 1: listed on her driver's license, which they had because they
Speaker 1: had her purse. Okay, so they knew who she was.
Speaker 1: That's one reason why they didn't really go after her
Speaker 1: was because they had her purse. They knew who she was.
Speaker 1: So I want to follow up with that real quick.
Speaker 1: Why would they be seeking restitution when she didn't get
Speaker 1: away from the store with any property. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a good question, maybe one you should ask them.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you know, either of you why
Speaker 1: Walmart didn't call nine one one or call the police
Speaker 1: to report. I think that they did call the police.
Speaker 1: I believe Mary had a police were dispatched, but they
Speaker 1: didn't do They're not going to do an all outsearch
Speaker 1: for a petty shoplifter. I mean, they're just not going
Speaker 1: to do that, especially when they've got other things going on,
Speaker 1: and nobody got away with any property exactly, and they
Speaker 1: had her purse. They knew who she was. I don't
Speaker 1: know the intent to prosecute. I really don't know where
Speaker 1: it was going to go from there. What happened to
Speaker 1: Ashley Caudle that evening that morning? Looking at the video,
Speaker 1: we know that he went out into the parking lot,
Speaker 1: and we know that he interacted with some people that
Speaker 1: he knew that we're around that area. This is not
Speaker 1: an area that was unfamiliar to him and unfamiliar to
Speaker 1: the Tiffany. They both spent some periods of time around
Speaker 1: this area before, as well as in the Powder Springs area,
Speaker 1: So we know that he had some interactions with some
Speaker 1: individuals into the morning hours who saw him there. We
Speaker 1: have not found anyone that saw her there at that
Speaker 1: area after she left the walmart. Well, that walmart is
Speaker 1: just a mile or so away from here, and it's
Speaker 1: not exactly out of the way location. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of people of I guess from all walks of life,
Speaker 1: would go there, but maybe just not at two o'clock
Speaker 1: in the more. It's a pretty busy area around the walmart.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of restaurants, a lot of extended stay motels,
Speaker 1: and we do have in terms of drug arrest it's
Speaker 1: an area where we make on a significant amount of
Speaker 1: arrests for drug possession and drug use, particularly the extended
Speaker 1: state motels. So it is a populated area, but there
Speaker 1: are little pockets as well, just off the more populated
Speaker 1: areas where you can find some quiet space. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of I was driving by there of the
Speaker 1: other day and I just happened to notice because I
Speaker 1: wanted to look, but I noticed that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of businesses that likely have some type of exterior surveillance cameras, banks,
Speaker 1: you've got a t m S in the area. Have
Speaker 1: all those things been checked In an ideal situation, had
Speaker 1: we known on September thirteenth or September fourteenth of two
Speaker 1: thousand and thirteen that this was going to turn into
Speaker 1: what it was, we would have hit all those locations
Speaker 1: for any potential surveillance. But going back to one of
Speaker 1: the issues we had discussed previously about retention and business
Speaker 1: retention of surveillance, we've not been successful and being able
Speaker 1: to get any usable surveillance video with the delay in
Speaker 1: time from when this investigation change, which really wasn't until
Speaker 1: around January of two thousand and fourteen. It's been my
Speaker 1: experience that businesses just don't keep surveillance material unless they
Speaker 1: need to for more than about a month. That's correct.
Speaker 1: It's been my experience too. You know. I almost wish
Speaker 1: in many instances we could go back to some of
Speaker 1: our businesses and ask them to use, first of all,
Speaker 1: more modern systems. Secondly, asked them to have a longer
Speaker 1: retention policy. But it's just not feasible for some of
Speaker 1: these businesses to be able to do that, and it
Speaker 1: does complicate things. I think the general public watches TV
Speaker 1: and they they imagine that because there's a camera on
Speaker 1: every corner um that somehow magically we're able to tap
Speaker 1: into a master database and be able to download that
Speaker 1: footage at will. And it's just simply not the case
Speaker 1: in the reality of law enforcement. Unless you happen to
Speaker 1: have a business entity that's interested in retaining something for
Speaker 1: some particular reason, such as it containing evidence of a shoplifting,
Speaker 1: then it's more likely than not with time, the passage
Speaker 1: of time, you're not gonna be able to get the surveillance.
Speaker 1: And that's what we have here? Why was it that
Speaker 1: nobody was able to paying her cell phone to triangulate
Speaker 1: her location because she didn't have it with her. I
Speaker 1: read something in another media report, and I forget which
Speaker 1: one it was. I read that at some point in time, someone,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistake, it was in your family, felt
Speaker 1: that she had reached out to them over social media
Speaker 1: or was it by text? There actually was a Facebook
Speaker 1: message sent to her half brother on his birthday, but
Speaker 1: when he messaged back to say, you know, hey, what's up?
Speaker 1: Where are you? There was never any response. Someone from
Speaker 1: her Facebook account sent a message to her half brother
Speaker 1: saying happy birthday. The key is we don't know for
Speaker 1: sure who actually sent that because she did not have
Speaker 1: her phone. Let me ask you this, would anybody who
Speaker 1: had her phone been able to access her Facebook account? Yes?
Speaker 1: I did access her Facebook account, and when I opened
Speaker 1: it there were hundreds of unread messages, notifications, friend requests, hundreds,
Speaker 1: so I knew that she had not accessed her Facebook.
Speaker 1: The issue is then that someone that probably wasn't her,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't you, accessed her Facebook account and send
Speaker 1: a message after she was reported missing, but nothing before
Speaker 1: she was reported missing. We've had a number of leads,
Speaker 1: I'll go as far to say false leads that have
Speaker 1: come up over the years, and we look into everything.
Speaker 1: One of them, we attempted to look into that lead
Speaker 1: pretty good and we just don't have any reason to
Speaker 1: believe that that was a message from Tiffany to her
Speaker 1: half brother. There's no evidence to support that, um and
Speaker 1: not not to call anyone out, but there's been a
Speaker 1: lack of cooperation on the part of maybe some of
Speaker 1: her family members as well, who are more on the
Speaker 1: fringes to help us and involve investigating looking some of
Speaker 1: those leads as well, which is even more evidence that
Speaker 1: they're they're probably false leads. You know, she left Walmart
Speaker 1: when she ran out those doors, she had no idea,
Speaker 1: no phone, no shoes. What do we know about the
Speaker 1: last a twelve hours before she went missing? Just to summarize,
Speaker 1: he talked about it being a fairly normal period of
Speaker 1: time with himself and Tiffany prior to the Walmart incident.
Speaker 1: He gave us a bit of a timeline of different
Speaker 1: places he had been a house, a friend's house, using
Speaker 1: the friends pickup truck. Talked about the events in the Walmart,
Speaker 1: a lot of which, like I said, we're captured on videos,
Speaker 1: so some of it we could we could look at
Speaker 1: pretty quickly and be able to compare to his statement UM.
Speaker 1: And then his assertion about what happened afterwards was that
Speaker 1: she ran out of the walmart and he just never
Speaker 1: saw her again. That he claimed he attempted to find her,
Speaker 1: claimed that he searched the area. He admitted to some
Speaker 1: of the people that he had talked to UM, many
Speaker 1: of whom we've now spoken with and UM. His his
Speaker 1: assertion is that he tried his best to find her
Speaker 1: to and wasn't able to do so. Did he say
Speaker 1: what he did, like, did he say that I went
Speaker 1: to the ihup or I went to this place or
Speaker 1: that place? Was he specific or was he general? He
Speaker 1: was UM, both general and specific. Generally, he said I
Speaker 1: looked for UM. When pressed on the specifics, he admit
Speaker 1: that he went to um uh an I Hoop, which
Speaker 1: is at that location. He happened to know somebody there
Speaker 1: who ran into him at at the location. UM, so
Speaker 1: we were able to talk to her and confirm that UM.
Speaker 1: His claim was that he called for a friend and
Speaker 1: that he wrote around with a friend for a while
Speaker 1: looking for her and UM, so there were a mix
Speaker 1: of of some specifics and some generalities about what had occurred.
Speaker 1: But ultimately what he said basically was that despite his
Speaker 1: attempts to find her, UH, he wasn't able to get
Speaker 1: in touch with her. What were you able to do
Speaker 1: with regard to her phone records that may have added
Speaker 1: anything to what you know? We've gone through phone records extensively,
Speaker 1: and from a modern law enforcement perspective, that's almost always
Speaker 1: a good starting place is looking at phone records, UH,
Speaker 1: cell tower analysis, those types of things. And we did
Speaker 1: that not only with her phone, UM, we did that
Speaker 1: with a number of other target cell phones as well,
Speaker 1: and UM there wasn't a whole lot of activity that
Speaker 1: was beneficial to us. I think people have this misconception
Speaker 1: that as long as you're carrying your phone, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be activity on it. That sometimes the case and sometimes
Speaker 1: not kind of depends on whether you have apps open,
Speaker 1: whether there are things run in the background, whether you're
Speaker 1: actively texting somebody or making phone calls. But when there's
Speaker 1: limited activity, there's going to be limited information that you're
Speaker 1: able to get back from the cell companies as well.
Speaker 1: But part of my responsibility is the head of the
Speaker 1: cold case unit, is to make sure that my guys,
Speaker 1: my investigators are looking at all that cell phone evidence.
Speaker 1: And over the years we have repeatedly looked at, analyzed,
Speaker 1: and reanalyzed the cell phone evidence. Um so far it
Speaker 1: has not yielded, uh anything that's a smoking gun, so
Speaker 1: to speak. As to explaining the mystery of how she disappeared,
Speaker 1: it's my understanding that she may have had some issues
Speaker 1: with paying her her cell phone bill, so most of
Speaker 1: her contact with the outer world was actually by by
Speaker 1: Facebook messaging at least until September thirteenth of two thousand thirteen,
Speaker 1: and then the Facebook messaging essentially stopped. Do you know
Speaker 1: about how old Tiffany was when she started on the
Speaker 1: path that led her to that walmart In, I really
Speaker 1: couldn't say. I mean, she had issues honestly from middle
Speaker 1: school um behavioral issues and hanging with the wrong people.
Speaker 1: There were no instances of drinking, drugs anything like that
Speaker 1: when she was younger. It wasn't really until she was
Speaker 1: away from home and still kind of hanging around people
Speaker 1: she shouldn't have been hanging around. And I think by
Speaker 1: the time I realized that I really knew that she
Speaker 1: was into drugs. She was really into drugs by that point,
Speaker 1: so she she had done a pretty good job for
Speaker 1: quite a while of hiding it pretty well. Um. The
Speaker 1: one time that I suspected there was something going on, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I had her daughter and I had told her,
Speaker 1: you need to come and take her to the doctor.
Speaker 1: It's time for her check up. I have to work.
Speaker 1: You need to come and take her. She's your child,
Speaker 1: Come take her to the doctor. Oh yeah, no problem,
Speaker 1: no problem. So she comes down the night before, spends
Speaker 1: the night, and I find out when I get home
Speaker 1: the next day that she had slept the entire day
Speaker 1: and almost completely missed the appointment. I found this out
Speaker 1: from my young daughter, who basically had to watch her
Speaker 1: little niece all day while Tiffany slept. And I knew.
Speaker 1: I knew then that there was that wasn't right. How
Speaker 1: old was her daughter when she disappeared, Um, she was six.
Speaker 1: Did she still have any interaction with her daughter? Not really? Um,
Speaker 1: because of the drug situation. You know, it was just
Speaker 1: such a tough call. We didn't really know what to
Speaker 1: do in that situation. You know, she's using drugs, she's unstable,
Speaker 1: she's in and out. We don't know when she's gonna
Speaker 1: be here when she's not, and this is a little
Speaker 1: child who doesn't understand. So it was you know, that
Speaker 1: was a tough call to keep her away, but we
Speaker 1: did keep her away. But the goal was at some
Speaker 1: point to have them, you know, interact until hopefully, at
Speaker 1: some point Tiffany got clean and could parent her. That
Speaker 1: was the ultimate goal. This will never be a case
Speaker 1: that's gonna simply gather dust. We're always working on this one.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we have cases that are very uh, forensic driven. Um,
Speaker 1: it's a DNA type case, it's a ballistics type case. Uh.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have cases that are are very different from
Speaker 1: that that our statements driven. Where really the key to
Speaker 1: the understanding the case and getting answered this is going
Speaker 1: to be people and and and people talking with us.
Speaker 1: And UM, I think the number one thing that we
Speaker 1: continue to do is to interview and re interview people,
Speaker 1: and we've been doing that for literally years right now,
Speaker 1: and UM, part of the reason, quite frankly, that I'm
Speaker 1: sitting down with you right now feels because UM, I
Speaker 1: feel like there is more out there to this case
Speaker 1: that the public knows. And some segments of the public
Speaker 1: that are just not comfortable coming forward right now for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. Maybe it's fear, maybe maybe it's some other motivation.
Speaker 1: But I've always believed that the more publicity we can
Speaker 1: get for the case, and the more we can put
Speaker 1: our cold cases, the units availability to talk out there,
Speaker 1: that more information is going to come in. And that's
Speaker 1: exactly what's happened over the years. This is gonna boil
Speaker 1: down to people finally feeling comfortable with sharing information with
Speaker 1: us that maybe they've held close to their chest for
Speaker 1: for literally years. And I truly believe, in my heart
Speaker 1: of hearts, I know that there are people out there
Speaker 1: that no more information about this case. They may even
Speaker 1: be people that we've already talked to before UM, but
Speaker 1: I suspect there's probably some people out there that we
Speaker 1: haven't talked to yet. And UM We're always listening. Every
Speaker 1: every time we get a name, every time we get
Speaker 1: a tip UM, we go out and we talk to
Speaker 1: that person. A lot of the tips UM come quite
Speaker 1: frankly because of Lisa and her tenacity, and she's been
Speaker 1: very tenacious about keeping this information out there and keeping
Speaker 1: her ears open, whether it's through Facebook, the fine Tiffany
Speaker 1: witness page. Whatever that means maybe of communicating with us.
Speaker 1: If people are going to share information with us, we're
Speaker 1: gonna follow up on it. How often do you get
Speaker 1: tips or new information that needs to be followed up with?
Speaker 1: It comes fairly regularly, and this case is coming fairly regularly.
Speaker 1: It would be unusual, certainly for a month to go
Speaker 1: by where we didn't get a new tip, but it's
Speaker 1: not uncommon for us to get multiple tips within a
Speaker 1: week or two week period of time. UM. A lot
Speaker 1: of it's coming from social media, a lot of it's
Speaker 1: coming from Facebook, A lot of it's going directly to
Speaker 1: Lisa and uh, Lisa's then forwarding onto to myself and
Speaker 1: my cold case unit led by John Dawes. I believe
Speaker 1: that there are people out there that know more than
Speaker 1: they've shared with us, and um, they may not even
Speaker 1: know that what what they hold is significant. They're involved
Speaker 1: in drug use, they're involved in illegal activity. A lot
Speaker 1: of these folks and UM there that doesn't make them
Speaker 1: very particularly willing to pick up the phone and say, hey, police,
Speaker 1: come talk to me. I know that a lot of people,
Speaker 1: I think question, why would you spend so much time
Speaker 1: trying to find somebody who clearly, you know, had her issues.
Speaker 1: She had drug issues, she had a criminal past. But
Speaker 1: you know that's not how I view her. You know,
Speaker 1: she's still my child, my baby, and um she's you know,
Speaker 1: she's a human being, and she is worthy of of
Speaker 1: being found. And she has a little girl who needs
Speaker 1: some answers. She has a family who need answers um
Speaker 1: as to as to what happened to her. Anybody wouldn't
Speaker 1: want that, you know, I would just say to to
Speaker 1: anybody who might hear this, please, you know, just come forward.
Speaker 1: I don't care how you do it. Write a letter,
Speaker 1: make an anonymous call if you're afraid. I get that,
Speaker 1: but it is the right thing to do, and right now,
Speaker 1: we just need somebody to do the right thing. Um.
Speaker 1: Just as a personal matter, if you walked in my
Speaker 1: office right now, you would have to pass by no
Speaker 1: less than four or five pictures of Tiffany Witten that
Speaker 1: are hanging on my door. I see her every day
Speaker 1: then I walk into the office. I see her every
Speaker 1: day when I turn off my light and head home.
Speaker 1: The frustrating part about this case, though, is I really
Speaker 1: believe it's going to be solved with statements. It's going
Speaker 1: to be solved with somebody feeling comfortable to come forward,
Speaker 1: maybe even someone we've already talked to feeling more comfortable
Speaker 1: to share, um, the truth about what they know and um,
Speaker 1: this is not a situation. Just look at it. At
Speaker 1: it objectively. Where Tiffany was out camping and disappeared in
Speaker 1: the woods. She rendered out of a crowded walmart into
Speaker 1: a crowded area of the city of Marietta and then disappeared. Jessie,
Speaker 1: if if anybody has any information or feels like they
Speaker 1: want to contact you, guys, what do they need to do.
Speaker 1: We've set up a tipline for a cold case unit
Speaker 1: and that number is seven seven zero five to eight
Speaker 1: three zero three to. We just encourage anyone with the
Speaker 1: general public who knows information about this case of contact
Speaker 1: our cold case units so we can follow up on that.
Speaker 1: That number again, seven seven zero five to eight three
Speaker 1: zero three to. All I'm asking is for somebody to
Speaker 1: to just do the right thing. Be that person who
Speaker 1: gives a family closure and can answer a little girl's
Speaker 1: question about his MO mommy dad, because that's what she asked,
Speaker 1: is MO mommy dead? How do you answer that? To
Speaker 1: a child when you don't know, I mean, we haven't had.
Speaker 1: She's been to a funeral for her grandmother. She knows
Speaker 1: her grandmother's dad, she knows her grand mother's in heaven,
Speaker 1: both of them, so she knows that she doesn't know
Speaker 1: where mommy is. And that's unfair. That is unfair. It's
Speaker 1: absolutely heartbreaking. Talking to Tiffany's mother as a parent, I
Speaker 1: simply cannot wrap my head around the grief that she
Speaker 1: must have experienced and that she's still experiencing today. Now
Speaker 1: Lisa Daniels is the legal guardian of Tiffany's own daughter.
Speaker 1: I cannot even imagine what this must be like for
Speaker 1: Lisa not to have the answers for her granddaughter when
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Speaker 1: that might be simply gathering dust on a shelf. So
Speaker 1: let's ask the question, is this case gathering dust? Has
Speaker 1: enough been done to keep it alive? And fresh? Assistant
Speaker 1: District Attorney Jesse Evans put his trust in John Dawes
Speaker 1: at the Cold Case Unit to take this case over.
Speaker 1: We sat down and spoke to John to get a
Speaker 1: feel for what exactly is being done right now, as
Speaker 1: well as to ask him what we might be able
Speaker 1: to do to help our hope in all these unsolved
Speaker 1: cases is that we can spur discussion and remind people
Speaker 1: to come forward if they know anything at all. And
Speaker 1: I promise you somebody somewhere does know something. And just
Speaker 1: so the records clear. To answer my own question, I'm
Speaker 1: satisfied that this is one case that is not simply
Speaker 1: gathering dust. It is actually being worked, and it's being
Speaker 1: worked actively. When did you start on Tiffany's case? About
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago. Uh. We met with
Speaker 1: Marietta Um the chief Assistant District Attorney. Jesse Evans has
Speaker 1: kind of been alongside the case since UM January of
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen. UH, and he's a liaison between
Speaker 1: us and the police agencies here in Cobb County. So
Speaker 1: UM between a year and a half and two years ago,
Speaker 1: they kind of consulted with us and asked us to
Speaker 1: take a look at everything. They provided us with a
Speaker 1: complete copy of the file and we started digging into it.
Speaker 1: Anytime there's a missing person, UM, foul play suspected, it
Speaker 1: brings on a whole new atmosphere to the case. If
Speaker 1: you're working a murder case, you have a body, you
Speaker 1: have a scene, you have physical evidence to work with,
Speaker 1: and you have light at the end of the tunnel
Speaker 1: from the day it occurs on a missing person. UM.
Speaker 1: In a case like this, it's it's problematic because there
Speaker 1: are so many people who UM want to shed light. UM.
Speaker 1: There are so many people who want to provide information
Speaker 1: to look like they're cooperating, Yet they they tend to
Speaker 1: send the investigators off in different directions. UM. So liars
Speaker 1: pretty much pretty much to be blunt, UM, are you
Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of those in this case? We
Speaker 1: deal with a lot of those in every case. UM.
Speaker 1: Certainly there have been UM some um information that gets
Speaker 1: at least to a second third, fourth party, and you
Speaker 1: lose a little bit of the truth in every phase
Speaker 1: of that type of system. But yes, there have been
Speaker 1: some liars in this case. So that actually brings up
Speaker 1: a good point if you lose a little bit in
Speaker 1: like every phase I know this case has changed hands
Speaker 1: three times or two times, it was it was it
Speaker 1: Johnny Mueller first and then make Freer and then you yes,
Speaker 1: So does that make things harder? Well, it would accept
Speaker 1: that I have a close working relationship with Detective Molar
Speaker 1: and Detective Freer. Um, so communicating with them as has
Speaker 1: been pretty instrumental in the case. Um. You know a
Speaker 1: lot of people think, okay, we get we get a
Speaker 1: copy of the police reports, and everything is good, we
Speaker 1: know everything. But um, you lose a lot if you
Speaker 1: can't communicate with the lead detective in the case. UM.
Speaker 1: Police reports, if they paid attention the academy are supposed
Speaker 1: to be facts, not opinion, not thoughts, not considerations that
Speaker 1: they have when they go home and sit down at
Speaker 1: night and can't get it out of their minds. So
Speaker 1: we want to pull from those lead detectives as frequently
Speaker 1: as we can, for as much information as we can,
Speaker 1: just to get their insight and their feelings about things.
Speaker 1: Although they're by definition a cold case has set for
Speaker 1: twelve months with with no movement, no UH, no active leads.
Speaker 1: And this is different because there are so many people
Speaker 1: who who are hands on and wanting to move it,
Speaker 1: but it's as far as actual leads go, it's been
Speaker 1: cold UH for over a year. So so how do
Speaker 1: you approach a case like this, what's the first thing
Speaker 1: that you did? The first thing we did is we
Speaker 1: sorted through and it took weeks, but we sorted through
Speaker 1: the boxes of UH binders and reports and files that
Speaker 1: we were provided UM, and I assigned one of my
Speaker 1: guys just to look at phone records, nothing else. I
Speaker 1: assigned one person to to do some research into the
Speaker 1: the one piece of evidence we have, the video from
Speaker 1: Walmart UM, and then I had another person just kind
Speaker 1: of forming it back into alongside me, forming it back
Speaker 1: into an actual case file that's just a chronologically organized
Speaker 1: report to make it easier to read UM. That took
Speaker 1: weeks just to get it to their UM, and then
Speaker 1: then we began sorting through it UM, reading through it,
Speaker 1: trying to identify everyone who's involved. We live in a
Speaker 1: very transient society. The same is true with with the
Speaker 1: young people involved in this case. They're hard to locate sometimes.
Speaker 1: So we started trying to make sure that we had
Speaker 1: all the facts about where they were at, what they
Speaker 1: were doing, where they worked, and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: what their associations are outside of this case, UM, to
Speaker 1: see where we could get Tiffany is uh mom and
Speaker 1: uh no doubt loves her little girl. Uh. The little
Speaker 1: girl was with Grandma Lisa uh and in good care.
Speaker 1: But when when an adult uh can't be found, hasn't
Speaker 1: been heard from or seen by their friends, UM, doesn't
Speaker 1: have a work that they would normally be going to
Speaker 1: day in and day out, you know, and and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they're just kind of gone. Um. If
Speaker 1: they don't come back to check on their children, if
Speaker 1: they don't send messages at least to check on their children,
Speaker 1: that concerns me as an an investigator about their well being. UM.
Speaker 1: When they have a bank account and there's no attempt
Speaker 1: to access the funds by the person who can't be found,
Speaker 1: then that's assigned to me that that uh, that foul
Speaker 1: play has occurred. So UM, I think that was noted
Speaker 1: pretty early in the case. Is that is or a
Speaker 1: window that you might think that whatever happened or is
Speaker 1: through a time period that that happened to narrow it down?
Speaker 1: Is it that night? The next day. I'm gonna safely
Speaker 1: say that within uh, within a few hours of the
Speaker 1: time that Tiffany left Walmart, everything occurred. I can tell
Speaker 1: you that there are two people in my unit that
Speaker 1: are working this case every day and UH and and
Speaker 1: I'm involved in that as well, UH and I have
Speaker 1: a lot of other obligations on all the other cases
Speaker 1: that we're working, but but I have two people who
Speaker 1: are who are in and out of this case every
Speaker 1: day trying to work on it, trying to come up
Speaker 1: with ideas, trying to locate people, trying to to set
Speaker 1: up UM situations where we can um do some some
Speaker 1: justice for the case and and bring some real answers. UH.
Speaker 1: It's a I'm a parent, UM, and I empathize with
Speaker 1: Lisa in this case. I want nothing better uh for
Speaker 1: her than some very real truth to come out. UM.
Speaker 1: Healaling doesn't start until you begin to get truth. So
Speaker 1: I want, I wanted to find truth for UM Lisa
Speaker 1: Daniels and and get her the information that she that
Speaker 1: she so desperately wants and needs. How often do you
Speaker 1: communicate with Lisa? With Lisa, it's about once a week,
Speaker 1: sometimes twice a week, that we text back and forth
Speaker 1: a little bit or talk on the phone and UH
Speaker 1: and she's UH. I made her a promise and that
Speaker 1: is that by the time we get done, she'll know
Speaker 1: more than she knew when we picked it up. So
Speaker 1: Lisa is UM strong. She's a strong willed person. UM.
Speaker 1: She UH is a great parent in that she um
Speaker 1: knocks on the door and if you don't answerly enough,
Speaker 1: she just kind of opens the door and comes on in.
Speaker 1: If you try to close the door on her, she
Speaker 1: puts her foot in it and pushes you out of
Speaker 1: the way and get your attention. So UM, I can't
Speaker 1: I can't ask for anything more from her than to
Speaker 1: uh than to keep pushing for what she she justly deserves.
Speaker 1: And that's some truth. There are people who could call
Speaker 1: me today and provide me with the right information. I
Speaker 1: have no doubt. We have no factual documentation that anyone
Speaker 1: saw them together after the Walmart incident, but I believe
Speaker 1: that someone does exist. Tell me who this guy is,
Speaker 1: where he's at today. Ashley is Uh was at the
Speaker 1: time Tiffany's boyfriend and Uh. Ashley is Uh in the
Speaker 1: Department of corrections as we speak on unassociated charges. Um,
Speaker 1: he's been interviewed multiple times. He's never uh just shut
Speaker 1: down and said no, I won't talk to you. Um.
Speaker 1: He's provided information uh two Detective Moler and uh and
Speaker 1: he did the interview with Esquire magazine. UM. He's not
Speaker 1: a person who has just completely um shut himself off
Speaker 1: from the investigation. UM. A lot of people have issues
Speaker 1: with Ashley because, uh, he didn't file the report that
Speaker 1: she was missing that night. He didn't contact anyone and say,
Speaker 1: you know that she ran and I don't know where
Speaker 1: she went. Um. And he even days in he didn't
Speaker 1: contact anyone. He did make contacts with other people. He
Speaker 1: made inquiries with other people, but it never went to
Speaker 1: the police about her, about her you know, not being seen.
Speaker 1: So uh he he's a person of interest, just as
Speaker 1: many other people are in the case. Who um, who
Speaker 1: have come about it's any anytime you have a boyfriend
Speaker 1: girlfriend relationship, UM, husband wife relationship, you you obviously look
Speaker 1: at that person first, uh and see if you draw
Speaker 1: any conclusions that they would have more involvement. Yeah for them,
Speaker 1: what I've learned, their relationship wasn't normal, happy, healthy relationship.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. UM. I mean I think there
Speaker 1: was violence in their relationships. So in the background research
Speaker 1: done with by Detective Mueller and they married a police
Speaker 1: department there there was some information that came forward about
Speaker 1: some domestic disputes that had gone on in the past
Speaker 1: between them. UM, so that that'd be that's been looked
Speaker 1: at as well. Obviously. Can you tell me about the
Speaker 1: barrel filled with concrete that was thrown off of Bethany
Speaker 1: Bridge in Ackworth by Ashley and some of his associates. Uh,
Speaker 1: there was a tip that came through, UM that sounds
Speaker 1: familiar to that, and just there have been other tips
Speaker 1: that have come through that that she was put here.
Speaker 1: She was put there, this is how she was dumped. UM,
Speaker 1: And it happens in these types of cases. But there's
Speaker 1: no There was a search conducted UM with D and
Speaker 1: R's assistance and married to police and and UM nothing
Speaker 1: was recovered at that search. There are ways to do
Speaker 1: things and ways not to do things. And I'm never
Speaker 1: surprised anymore by by what people do in the measures
Speaker 1: they take to get away with something. But UM, that
Speaker 1: information was was brought to us through UH, through the
Speaker 1: married police department, through a tip, and it was researched,
Speaker 1: it was checked out, and nothing resulted from do you
Speaker 1: think there's any physical evidence? One of the reasons the
Speaker 1: case has gone where it has, uh and as at
Speaker 1: the stage that it's at today three and a half
Speaker 1: years later, is because there was no crime scene full
Speaker 1: of physical evidence in the case. I think there is
Speaker 1: physical evidence. I don't think it's been recovered yet, and
Speaker 1: I think that that once we've found that physical evidence,
Speaker 1: then it's going to answer everything we need to know.
Speaker 1: When we're sitting in here as a group, UM, these
Speaker 1: people who work alongside me on these cases, we share
Speaker 1: information because the the whole idea behind the cold Case
Speaker 1: Unit forming was that that it would be wonderful to
Speaker 1: have people dedicated to looking at these old cases, UM
Speaker 1: with a different set of eyes. So we utilized that
Speaker 1: strategy and we bounced things off of each other. We
Speaker 1: make notes, UM, and there there are times when we're
Speaker 1: all in here together and uh, one of us has
Speaker 1: a thought. We get up, jumped to the white board
Speaker 1: and go to town right and a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: so everybody can see it. And I'm I'm one of
Speaker 1: those people that if I hear something, I can think
Speaker 1: of through and remember it for a few minutes. If
Speaker 1: I hear it and see it, it lasts with me
Speaker 1: a little bit longer. So so that's how we do
Speaker 1: some of our formulated group studies of cases in here.
Speaker 1: So it's her missing flyer, Tiffany Witten, and then just
Speaker 1: underneath it it says Ashley Coddle, and to left of
Speaker 1: that it's his questions for Coddle. The reason that we
Speaker 1: have the two pictured up there, Tiffany and Ashley, is
Speaker 1: because that's who was at the walmart, right of course
Speaker 1: when when this, when this incident occurred and Tiffany ran
Speaker 1: from security, and um, Ashley Coddle was there. He was
Speaker 1: with in the store for an hour leading up to this,
Speaker 1: and then after she ran he stood there for a
Speaker 1: moment and then he walked away. Um. So in our
Speaker 1: minds those two are together and he's the last one
Speaker 1: with her. The notes on the dry race boards in
Speaker 1: the cold Case unit mainly focus on Tiffany. Her case
Speaker 1: takes up a board and a half. It's essentially broken
Speaker 1: down into three sections, a timeline, a to do list,
Speaker 1: and questions for Coddle. We see names on the to
Speaker 1: do list under a section marked interview slash reinterview. Names
Speaker 1: like Stephen Weinstein, the friend that supposedly picked up Ashley
Speaker 1: Coddle on that night, Sheila Fuller, the former roommate of Tiffany,
Speaker 1: Jason Zuccarini, one of Tiffany's ex boyfriends, Cinnamon another friend.
Speaker 1: There are questions like who was living in Benedict's house
Speaker 1: on September besides Caddle, and lots of notes that involved
Speaker 1: looking into phone records. According to Dawes, the majority of
Speaker 1: these people have been talked to at some point. It's
Speaker 1: just a matter of going through and doing it again.
Speaker 1: More than likely someone wasn't telling the truth. Hopefully that
Speaker 1: truth will come sooner rather than later, because Lisa says
Speaker 1: that she is currently trusting law enforcement and the process.
Speaker 1: She won't hold back forever. You know a list of
Speaker 1: people that if you could just write down a list
Speaker 1: of names that the police would just grill for answers.
Speaker 1: Do you know who those people are? Names like friends, circles?
Speaker 1: Do you know those people? You know? A couple? Do
Speaker 1: you tell me who they were? Okay, hmm, I just
Speaker 1: don't want to do anything that would jeopardize their investigations,
Speaker 1: So I know that, Yeah, privately. Yeah. M hmm, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I really hope that they are able to trip somebody
Speaker 1: up or find what they're looking for. I think it
Speaker 1: will happen eventually. At you know, my big just worries, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do know who a couple of these people are.
Speaker 1: My biggest worries that they o d and die before
Speaker 1: we getting information out of them that that honestly is is.
Speaker 1: I worry about that every day. I mean I I
Speaker 1: went on Facebook and I said, look, I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: naming names. Somebody needs to do the right thing here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm just gonna start naming names. And then
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like, uh, law enforcement doesn't
Speaker 1: really people like you to do that. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: hold back forever. I will not hold back forever, but
Speaker 1: I feel like in this case, when it comes to
Speaker 1: naming people, I do feel like I have to give
Speaker 1: John the opportunity. You know, I know that there are
Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts involved, you know, different different
Speaker 1: departments and people involved. So it's not just a matter
Speaker 1: of him saying, Okay, I'm gonna go get this guy
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna grill this guy. Because they gotta have
Speaker 1: something to hold over them. They've gotta have something that says,
Speaker 1: you know what, you are facing a lot of time
Speaker 1: in prison, and yeah, and we can help you, but
Speaker 1: you got to come clean and just lean on him
Speaker 1: until they do otherwise. Then then you have to make
Speaker 1: it happen. You have to be able to make good
Speaker 1: on the and the on the threat that you're facing
Speaker 1: a lot of time in prison. So that takes time.
Speaker 1: That takes time to build, you know, to have all
Speaker 1: those moving parts working in unison and say, okay, we've
Speaker 1: got this guy dead to rights. There is no way
Speaker 1: that we're gonna lose this case in court if we
Speaker 1: if we go to court, you know, if he doesn't
Speaker 1: come clean and we don't help him with a plea
Speaker 1: deal or whatever, then he is facing twenty years or
Speaker 1: he's facing fifteen years. He and he'll be in prison
Speaker 1: for fifteen years. And but they've got to be able
Speaker 1: to make that stick. And I think these these guys
Speaker 1: and girls in Cobb County that are running in this crowd,
Speaker 1: they know they know we'll be out in three months.
Speaker 1: I'll be out in a year. I can do that
Speaker 1: standing on my head, three hots and a car for
Speaker 1: a year I'm good with that. I don't have to work.
Speaker 1: I'll have to you know, the only thing they're missing
Speaker 1: is their drugs. Right, We've gained a lot more knowledge
Speaker 1: and insight into just why this case is now so convoluted.
Speaker 1: There's some very suspicious aspects to this case, particularly the
Speaker 1: whereabouts of Tiffany's cell phone that's a big one. And
Speaker 1: what about that suspicious activity on her Facebook account? Are
Speaker 1: these factors just throwing investigators off the trail or are
Speaker 1: they tied into the final answer to this mystery. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, Ashley Caudal knows more about these two questions
Speaker 1: than probably anyone else. I don't think it's any secret
Speaker 1: that actually Caudal remains the primary person of interest in
Speaker 1: this case, but there's probably other people that know something
Speaker 1: about this case and could point investigators in the right direction.
Speaker 1: As far as cold cases are concerned, I think that
Speaker 1: law enforcement is being as proactive as they possibly can be.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not every day that you've got the
Speaker 1: district attorney's office directly involved in investigating a cold case.
Speaker 1: Typically district attorneys take over cases when the police make
Speaker 1: an arrest and finish an investigation. But that doesn't change
Speaker 1: the fact that, in terms of the lead investigator, this
Speaker 1: case has changed hands a number of times. Nevertheless, I
Speaker 1: think it's in the right place now. I think that
Speaker 1: the Cobb County Cold Case Unit is in the best
Speaker 1: position to solve this case. There's one crucial takeaway from
Speaker 1: all of this. It's something I've known for a while,
Speaker 1: but learning about the Tiffany Witten case simply underscores this
Speaker 1: one simple fact. If someone is missing, report them right away,
Speaker 1: don't wait. That initial forty eight hour time period is
Speaker 1: absolutely critical. Investigators can do so much if they just
Speaker 1: know that someone is thing and they know that they
Speaker 1: need to be looking after forty hours is passed. It
Speaker 1: makes it so much harder for investigators to piece together
Speaker 1: what someone may be doing with their life. And finally, please,
Speaker 1: if anybody knows anything about the disappearance or what may
Speaker 1: have happened to Tiffany Witten, please contact John Dalls at
Speaker 1: the Cobb County District Attorney's Office or even your local
Speaker 1: law enforcement agency. Somebody somewhere knows something. All it takes
Speaker 1: is that one call. So if you know anything, please
Speaker 1: contact John DAWs at the Cobb County District attorney's office
Speaker 1: or contact local law enforcement. Tiffany deserves to be found
Speaker 1: and her family deserves closure. Sworn is produced by Tenderfoot
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