1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: I never told your protection, but I heard you. 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: And as we are releasing this, not necessarily when we're 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: recording it, but because we're a little head, we're getting there, y'all. 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: We are coming to the start of Hispanic Heritage Month. 6 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 3: Yay. So we are opening with. 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: The classic movie Real Women have Curves for our feminist 8 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: movie of the month. And you know what, any I 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: have so many memories about this movie. You have distinct memories, 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: and though it follows a Latina immigrant family, it still 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: somehow made me feel seen, like I felt connected to 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: the movie went. So this was released in two thousand 13 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: and two. I had just graduated. I was now in 14 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: college trying to figure everything out. So I really felt 15 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: like not only was it around my same age and experiences, 16 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: although I didn't get a full scholarship to Columbia's Lovely, 17 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: but you know, like feeling this movie was different because 18 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: we've been talking about all the different you know, old 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 2: school romantic comedies with a very oftentimes skinny white lead, 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: uh being cutesy, you know, the. 21 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: Pixie manic. It was that era. 22 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: So having this type of movie come out was something 23 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: that spoke a lot to me. Maybe it was the 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: fact that we're seeing an actress that was normal, like 25 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: she her body type is normal, Like it's not which 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: we will talk about, like it is referred to as 27 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: being fat. 28 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 3: But to me, I'm like, no, this is what normal 29 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: looks like. 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: And I wish at that point, I'm like, I need 31 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: to look like that. Like I felt like I was 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: even bigger than her and made me feel some type 33 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: of way, and just how she loved herself no matter what, 34 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: like she was a rightly so like you have that 35 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: ink still in this movie America Farra got that angst. 36 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: But it could have also been that it was a 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: person of color being a lead in this movie. I 38 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: love that, and that she wasn't being fetishized or being 39 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: a stereotype and more confident in herself and trying to 40 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: bring confidence to her family and even to her community. 41 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: Like I loved everything about this. Again, it could have 42 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: been all of these things, but yeah, this movie really 43 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: felt like it was for normal girls, and it was 44 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: representing brown and people of color, and for me, who 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: lived in a society that was all white, essentially, seeing 46 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: this felt awesome, especially because it was celebrated. The movie 47 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: was actually really well received, so it was celebrated for 48 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: its cast and content, and as one reviewer wrote about 49 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: the movie, one of the strengths of Real Women Have 50 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: Curves is that it isn't about just one thing. It's 51 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: about many things. A coming of age drama centered on 52 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: a mother daughter conflict, it also explores the immigrant experience, 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: the battle to accept oneself, imperfections and all, and the 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: importance of personal dignity. 55 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: And I thought that too. 56 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: At the very beginning, it was like, how do we 57 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: describe this movie. There's so many things. It's not just 58 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: one thing. It's not just a girl going to college. 59 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: It's not just a romantic comedy. It's not just like 60 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: so many things, and they. 61 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: Felt very real. Again. 62 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: It's a release brought on a much needed conversation about 63 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: the experiences of Latina girls in US culture, as well 64 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: as conversations about body image at the time. I think 65 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: this is where we were finally starting to hit into 66 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: the body positivity and away from the all of the 67 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: eating disorders that we saw and all the complications that 68 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: magazines and media was trying to tell us at the 69 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: time about what was wrong with women and what was 70 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: wrong with girls and what they thought was normal. So 71 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: this was such a great like timing for this movie. 72 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: It has held up pretty well since this original release 73 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: and was even recognized in twenty twenty one as part 74 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: of the Significant Movies and Movie Makers Exhibit at the 75 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 2: Academy of Museum of Motion Pictures. But yeah, it also 76 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: had garnered many awards before then, such as the Sun 77 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: Dance Film Awards, Special Jury Prize for Acting for both 78 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: America Ferra and Lupe Antiberos, and so many other awards. 79 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: And Lupe played the mother she was in Slina too 80 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: like she's she's caliber actress, and I felt like she 81 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: made this movie so perfect, like she played that mother 82 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: figure so too well, too well. And as a side note, 83 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: this was America Ferrara's movie debut. The movie was directed 84 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 2: by Patricia Cardosa and was originally a play written Byosephina Lopez, 85 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: who makes an appearance in the movie as well. She 86 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: also co wrote the screenplay as well. From what I gathered, 87 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: Cardosa hasn't done too many movies since then or to 88 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: She's directed several TV shows I think, and a few movies, 89 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: but hasn't done much since then. J just a FINA's 90 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 2: play I think is still going there's a musical now, yep. 91 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: I love a good musical. 92 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: So many movies we do on here, I'm like, they 93 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: have a music. I love it. 94 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: Well. This was originally a play, so to jump into 95 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: a musical seemed pretty natural, and I could see how 96 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: this could be a good musical to be honest, like 97 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: the way you could travel through. 98 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I don't feel like if it's going on, 99 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: we should go. 100 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: Try to see it anyway, I know I need to 101 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: find tickets, so let's jump into it. We have eighteen 102 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: year old high school senior Anna Garcia played by America Ferrera, 103 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: who is finishing up her last year at Beverly Hills 104 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: High School. She's a young girl trying to accomplish her 105 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: dreams as well as balance her home life and keeping 106 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: her family happy. 107 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: Sort of. She's just really frustrated. 108 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: She has worked hard at school to achieve something different 109 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: from what her mother tries to push it on to her. 110 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 2: Her teacher, mister Guzman played by George Lopez. I love 111 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 2: that he just popped up. I forgot he was in this, 112 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: but anyway has been someone he has been someone who 113 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: has encouraged her to try for. 114 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: More, including going to college. 115 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: He lets her know that he knows the dean from 116 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 2: Columbia University and encourages her to submit an application, which 117 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: she responds that she'll think about it. But you know, 118 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: she lets him know, my life is not like that. 119 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: My family's not going to prove it'll be really hard. 120 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: At home. After school, her family throws her a graduation 121 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 2: party to celebrate, and soon the party turns as her mother, Carmen, 122 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 2: has already started nagging her about her not eating too 123 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: much cake because of her weight, and again her prospects 124 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 2: of finding a husband. 125 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 3: Again. 126 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: The mother Carmen, she plays it so well. She's got 127 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: the figure rings to try to get her to get married, 128 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: like she gave up on her other daughter Estella, who 129 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: is older but provides for the family. Like so many 130 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: things in here, so good, And we have mister Guzman 131 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: stopping by to try to talk to the parents about 132 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: Anna's prospects for college, but her mother is very resistant, 133 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: even talking Anna into going to work with her sister 134 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: at her sister's clothing factory. So she is now a 135 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: part of this. Even though Anna doesn't want to this, 136 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: she knows what this is gonna lead to and she's 137 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: get stuck, but she eventually gives in after some conflicts. 138 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: Anna tries to help Estella. So Estella's character is fantastic. 139 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: You don't get to see much about her except through 140 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: Anna's perspective. To be honest, but Anna's tries to help. 141 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: She realizes that Estella is doing a lot and tries 142 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: to help, but oh doesn't always do the right things. 143 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: Like her attitude is so great and you want her 144 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: to win, but like the moment where she tries to 145 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: go to the contractors to get an advance that does 146 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: not go well, and like Estella is really embarrassed and 147 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: upset about this. 148 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: Interaction, not happy. 149 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: But in the end, and Anna does help as much 150 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: as she can, whether it's with the addresses or encouraging 151 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: Estella to do more being more forward in her time There, 152 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: she gets to confront her mother, who continues to fat 153 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: shame her and ridicule her and Estella and everybody else 154 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: in that room. She just goes after everyone. After an 155 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: especially hot afternoon, Anna takes off her shirt in order 156 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: to cool down do her mother's dismay, and soon encourages 157 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: the other ladies as well, and they all talk about 158 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: their flaws, but also it kind of comes to a 159 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: point where they start encouraging one another and telling each 160 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: other to love themselves. Like it's one of those like, yes, 161 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: this is very real, Like I relate to this a 162 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: little too hard, where you start like criticizing yourself and 163 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: then you see other people they criticize themselves and are. 164 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: Like, well, do none of the thing's wrong with you? 165 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: And then it because goes back and forth. I love it. 166 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: It's a great, great scene. 167 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 2: And her mother eventually is like, oh my goodness, Okay, okay, okay, 168 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: you know all these things. 169 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: You only need to hide that away, be a lady. 170 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: I love herself that a lot too. 171 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: At home, and still having to deal with her mother's 172 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: constant nagging about getting married and having children. Even thinks 173 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 2: that she the mother may be pregnant, but turns out 174 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 2: she's just going through the change. And then we have 175 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: that moment which I'm like, oh, no, I relate more 176 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: to the mother here than I do Toanna. 177 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: What has happened to me? Ah? 178 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: But she's talking about, yes, things have changed, she's no 179 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: longer a woman and all these things. 180 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: An I was like, mom, that's not how this works. 181 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 2: Like she's really like as crass and as annoyed as 182 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: on I can get. She still was loving her mom 183 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: and trying to encourage her mom to do to make 184 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: a change, to think differently. But then soon mister Guzman 185 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: comes by to let Anna know that not only was 186 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: she accepted to Columbia University, but that she's gotten a 187 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: full scholarship as well. Her mother is not happy at all, 188 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: but her father is pretty excited and very proud. But 189 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: the excitement goes away when they realize that she would 190 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: have to move across the country away from her family. 191 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: And though an I protested, her mother guilts her saying 192 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: what about her grandfather? Who and her grandfather's relationship is 193 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: really tight, really sweet, and so she's like, what are 194 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: you going to do? You gonna abandon him? Which makes 195 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: Anna stop and think about it. So at the same 196 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: time doing all of these things, Anna is navigating her 197 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: dating life, meeting up with a schoolmate who is from 198 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: a completely different social group. He's trying to learn Spanish 199 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: curse words like. It's kind of like what, yeah, that's 200 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 2: about right, that's about it, right. But she's able to 201 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 2: feel confident in herself and her relationship with him, even 202 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: though they know it's not gonna go anywhere. But she's 203 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: okay with that. She's like, look at me, see my body, 204 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: See who I am, this is me. 205 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, damn girl, go ahead. Love 206 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: that confidence. 207 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: Soon she decides to take the opportunity to actually go 208 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: to college eventually with her father's and grandfather's blessing. She 209 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: and her dad confront her mother to let her know 210 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: that she's moving to New York. The day she's about 211 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: to leave, she says goodbye to her sister, who has 212 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: to go to work because her sister is constantly working 213 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: and try to provide for the family, and tries to 214 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: say goodbye to her mother, who refuses to get out 215 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: of bed, and then she HEAs to the airport with 216 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: her father and grandfather. Then we cut to seeing her 217 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: living the new life in New York with her new 218 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: clothes and happiness. What I assume end of story. I 219 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: liked her fashion change when you got to New York, 220 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: and yeah, I see it, I see it. I like it. 221 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: I like the changes. 222 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, So there's a movie so great, Like I 223 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: feel like it's just such a sweet movie without being 224 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: over the top, like tragedy porn type of thing that 225 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 2: people often expect when it talks about immigration and families, 226 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: refugee families or any of them. 227 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: Like it's different. The story was different. The story was 228 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: like real life. 229 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 2: I love the shots that they had when they were 230 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 2: driving through La or East La, showing the different perspectives 231 00:11:58,920 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: different communities. 232 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: It was. 233 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: It was a great shot and I think it's such 234 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: a great movie with that. There comes to themes. Family 235 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: obviously is a big theme throughout. Her relationship with her 236 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: mother and sister is so interesting. At first it kind 237 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: of puts me off, Like the way Anna approached her sister, especially, it. 238 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 3: Really was like, oh, what do you mean to her? 239 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: I was like, Estella's really really. 240 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: Trying, and you're killing all her dreams. Like Stella probably 241 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: was one of the most positive yeah characters here because 242 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: everything she did she did because she loved it. Everything 243 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 2: she did because she felt like she was able to 244 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 2: prove something about herself her designs, her her ability to 245 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: make the best quality dresses, her ability to provide for 246 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: her community and for her friends and her family, Like 247 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: this is something really really important to her, and yet 248 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: her mother is like ripping her apart every chance that 249 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: she gets. 250 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: Right because she doesn't have the husband. Where are the 251 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: grandkids that you owe me? That was a line that 252 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: was like, oof, I have heard that before. It stings. 253 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: Thank god you have multiple children like my family where 254 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,359 Speaker 2: they have plenty of grandchildren. 255 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, we're good. 256 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: You've had to raise grandchildren, right, We're good now, okay, great, thanks, 257 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: And then like the role of women. I found that 258 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: interesting because yes, as as much as like her mom 259 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: talks about supporting her husband and being home for her husband, 260 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: she's ahead of the family. She makes a lot of 261 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: the decisions. I mean in the end, yes, the father 262 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: came in and was like, we're gonna help, but like 263 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: when she allowed for the teacher to come in, like 264 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: then father had to talk her into it. 265 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 3: Like all these things. 266 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: She was the head of the household, and she still 267 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: was like women should not be ahead, you know, like 268 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: she should not be lead. At the same time, she 269 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: also very much relies on Stella, who was an a 270 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: business owner, Like, yeah, she was being taken advantage of, 271 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: and yeah, the system was not set up to help 272 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 2: her prosper. 273 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 3: But hopefully that changes. Like if that was a part two, 274 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: I would love to see. 275 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: That change, but like she was the breadwinner for the 276 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: family partially, like not only her father who had the 277 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: lan who worked in landscape as such, Like she was 278 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: there providing all of these jobs for others. 279 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: She is a leader in her community. 280 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 281 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: One of the things that really struck me about this movie, 282 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: well two things. One is it subverts expectations because there's 283 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: so many scenes where it's like, oh, ostrella's made on 284 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: a red dress, she'll wear it later. Oh, she's met 285 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: this guy and he's either gonna be the worst guy 286 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: the best guy, and they'll be in love for ever. 287 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: Oh at the end, the relationship with the mother will 288 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: be solved and it's not right. And I really liked that. 289 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: I really liked that. But another thing that really stood 290 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: out to me is in the scene where Anna takes 291 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: off her clothes and they're kind of in their underwear. 292 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: She's in her underwear and bra, and then the other 293 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: women do it except her mom, and her mom is 294 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: fat shaming everybody and saying that this is shameful, honest, like, 295 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: but you look like us, why are you doing this? 296 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of us can relate 297 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: to having that person in her life who was a woman, 298 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: and who's holding you to their standard of like, well, 299 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: I had to work by the age of thirteen and 300 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: I had to do so you have to do that too, 301 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: And if you're not, then it's like they feel hurt 302 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: that they had to do it and they're kind of 303 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: lashing out on other people, like you should have to 304 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: do it too, because I had to do it. And 305 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: so I feel like I saw that a lot with 306 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: her mom, and I think like even just a bunch 307 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: of the women having moments like that where you could 308 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: tell they were angry they were being held to those standards, 309 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: but they were kind of lashing out at other women, right, yeah, 310 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: being not doing the thing that they think you should 311 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: have to do. 312 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: Right, And like, I think this is something to do 313 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: with immigrants and refugees as well, and we've seen this 314 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: and the people who uphold policies that oppress them. I've 315 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: seen this a lot, and I've seen this like in 316 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: Asian communities as well, in which they are saying, we 317 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: as a race did this, so other racist should have 318 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: to do this as well, and if they can't, it's 319 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: their fault and they're they're the problem. Instead of seeing 320 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: the standard of like no, that policy is racist, like this, 321 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: this is not what you should have to do, and 322 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: just because you had to do it shouldn't be everybody 323 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: else has to do it as well. That's that same 324 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: level of like, well I was able to make it 325 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: through all these things, but your circumstances are different, Like 326 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: there are things that that is upheld that only oppress 327 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: their own and they all they want to have that 328 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: upheld because they had to go to it too. Same 329 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: thing with like so many other things, like if I 330 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: have to suffer, you have to suffer. Yeah, and if 331 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: you succeed without that suffering, it doesn't count and it's 332 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: unfair and you shouldn't be able to allow to do that, 333 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: not realizing the system is held up to. 334 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 3: Do that very thing. 335 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: And yeah, we see that with her talking about it 336 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: getting a husband, and like her ability to have a 337 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: husband or her her I guess, yeah, her being able 338 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: to say she has a husband exempts her from these standards. Now, 339 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: which is why Estella is a problem. Even though Stella 340 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: is doing all these other amazing things that she is 341 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: proud of but won't say she's proud of, she still 342 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: only sees the fact that she doesn't have a husband 343 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: and Estella is actually, even though she never really says it, 344 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: is really supportive of the Vana in making sure like 345 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: she can go. She wants her to go, but like 346 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 2: knowing that this is not her path and not begrudging 347 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: her of that, realizing you know, I have this path, 348 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: you have this path, showing her that as well as 349 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: like yes, like red, that red dress. I really love 350 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 2: that scene in which she's like, pretty dresses aren't just 351 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 2: for skinny girls, and I was like, oh for And 352 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 2: again this is one of those moments where I'm like, 353 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 2: but she's not that bad. She's not big, Like I 354 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: was very annoyed by that situation, but I mean that's 355 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: the conversation is like she's just a normal sized girl. 356 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 3: I'm sure she's more. 357 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: Than healthy, like by all, like everything that you see 358 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 2: on her, Like they talk about celluline, like where don't 359 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 2: see it? Like it's just an interesting concept. But then 360 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: we also have the relationship with her father and grandfather, 361 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: and it's interesting because I like that they did not 362 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 2: do the toxic like machismo perspective on any of them. 363 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: I really love that it's such a loving relationship. Yes, 364 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: the toxic relationship comes from the mother, which is a 365 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 2: whole different conversation, but the fact that her relationship with 366 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: her father is so pure, her relationship with her grandfather 367 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 2: is so pure, it is lovely to see. Lovely to 368 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: see a family that gets a loong and not only that, 369 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: like the mele cousins and others that live around them 370 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: with them are just as supportive of her. The sarenade 371 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 2: congratulating her was the cutest thing. Like, I love that 372 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 2: they are able to show really healthy relationships with the 373 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: men in this family. 374 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 3: Like it felt really nice. 375 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: It was like, oh, thank god, but it's not always true. 376 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 2: We know reality is can be different, but we know 377 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 2: also this can be true, and this oftentimes is, and 378 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,479 Speaker 2: it's not celebrated. 379 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: Enough, especially in the family is of color. 380 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was nice. It was nice, and I appreciated 381 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: sort of the the messiness of it of like you 382 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: could just it just felt like they really understood a 383 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: family dynamic. Like this scene where Anna's at the table 384 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: and she's trying to write her mom is telling that 385 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: story of the telenovela. It just felt so like, yeah, 386 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 1: this is this families like and sometimes you fight and 387 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: you know each other and you know how to push 388 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: each other's buttons. But then you come back and you 389 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: apologize or make up or whatever it is. But it 390 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: did feel very like a real family and it was 391 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: nice to see, Yeah they weren't. The men in this 392 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: situation were very supportive of her and just seemed to 393 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: know who she was and be like, yeah, she's she's gonna. 394 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: Go places right, right, and supporting that, wanting that for her, 395 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: rooting for her, and yeah, that kind of goes back 396 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 2: to the feeling like she was supposed to help out 397 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 2: her family, she is supposed to get married, Like she's 398 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 2: fighting this and internally like there's this level of like 399 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: her telling mister Guzman, this is not I can't do it. 400 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: My family's not gonna let me. I have to help 401 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 2: my family. But yeah, she's angry because she feels like 402 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: this is an unfair role for her and why does 403 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: she have to do this, Like it's such a common 404 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 2: conversation of like being there for your family and what 405 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: do you owe your family and how tight knit they are, 406 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: and then the cultural expectations of it, and their expectation 407 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: was she would graduate high school good enough, and now 408 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 2: you can help the family. Now you have to be 409 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: getting a job and putting some money here and help 410 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: us all out. And we've seen that different cultures as well. 411 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 2: And then her trying to break that cycle, being like 412 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 2: the generation that breaks that and being able to provide 413 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: in a different way by investing into herself. 414 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting. 415 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think again a lot of us 416 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: can relate to this. I've told the story before. I 417 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: felt this pressure at my I was like, I'll marry 418 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: somebody and have a kid and it'll make my parents happy. 419 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. I wasn't thinking about like 420 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: do I want that, or like I was just like 421 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: I just got to find some guys, which is horrible 422 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: for this supposed guy, for me, for everyone. But that 423 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: pressure is real. And when I tell you that line 424 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: the mom said earlier that I mentioned earlier about like 425 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: you owe me a grandkid, hit it like, oh my. 426 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 2: God, right right, and like her reason for wanting a 427 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: baby is because no one else will give her a baby. 428 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: Are thinking she's pregnant, Like, oh damn. That's a whole 429 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 2: different conversation, ma'am. And then, of course another thing is 430 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: coming of age. This definitely was do you have this 431 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: eighteen year old? And we've talked about this before. We've 432 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: talked about with other movies, especially a lot of two 433 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 2: thousands movies where you're transitioning from high school to college 434 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: and that is such a big deal, like that era 435 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 2: during that time, and I'm sure it's still like like 436 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: we were talking about the whole high school dramas and 437 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: then how they came about, and yes, oh, I have 438 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: to go back because we said we wanted to do 439 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: an episode I found out. I think they say they're 440 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 2: saying that Beverly Hills nine o two. I know it 441 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: was one of the first dramas like that. Yeah, high 442 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: school dramas. But then I was like, what about safety 443 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: about anyway, But the nineties and two thousands really were 444 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 2: like thick with high school dramas because it was such 445 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: a turning of the time for individuals especially. I don't 446 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: know what it was in the nineties and two thousands, 447 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 2: it felt big. I don't know if it came out 448 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: of all of the media changing, like we're getting Internet 449 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: and we're getting all those things, and so it just 450 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: seemed bigger. 451 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: Everything seemed more at our. 452 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 2: Fingertips, but also seemed so far away, like these dreams 453 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: that we thought we were supposed to have, it may 454 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: not meet. Our perspective of growing up was no longer 455 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: growing up, getting married and having children. It was now 456 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 2: growing up, finding jobs, going adventuring, finding your soulmate, not 457 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: just having like all these things. 458 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 3: It changed. I feel like during that age. 459 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: I don't know if there's boomers listening, let me know 460 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 2: if you think that your generation was like that too. 461 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: And it was just me in my own head because 462 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 2: I'm from that generation. But there's so much in this 463 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: that when we see Coming of Age, like it feels huge, 464 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: and I think again, that's why this movie was felt 465 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: so like it resonated with me and rewatching it really 466 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 2: was like, oh. 467 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 3: My god, look at that. First of all, look at 468 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: that fashion by this come back round. 469 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: Secondly, yeah, it felt huge because getting into college was 470 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 2: a bigger deal than it is now. It's a huge deal, 471 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: but it seems like it's gotten like up to the 472 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: ante a little more, whereas all Ivy League that people 473 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 2: really want to get into or like the higher level 474 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 2: of education or where they can go. Maybe I'm maybe 475 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: I'm just playing it on my head because for me 476 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: getting into the University of Georgia, having that internet access 477 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: with an email that had a little balloon. Oh yeah, 478 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: balloons come up to show me that I had gotten 479 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: accepted was huge. It felt life changing, Yeah, life changing. 480 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: And so for her to experience this, it really was. 481 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: But on top of that, yes, like you have this 482 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: idea that you're supposed to experience all of these big 483 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: firsts either at the end of your high school or 484 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: at the beginning of college, and that's what. 485 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: She felt like she had to do. 486 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 2: But also accepting of herself because I'll tell you one thing, 487 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: my confidence was not anywhere any of her confidence. 488 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 3: I really wish I did have that confidence. 489 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,479 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, or learning to have that confidence, even if 490 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: she was faking it, I really would. 491 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 3: I gotta gone there. 492 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: Oh I like it. One of the first scenes she 493 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: goes and quits her job and I was like, duggamn girl. 494 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 3: So she doesn't say that. 495 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: It was excellent, Yeah, she she really did. It's kind 496 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: of amazing because she was confident in the face of 497 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: a lot of her mom, especially kind of telling her 498 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: not to be, and she had like kind of a 499 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: healthy anger about that, which I appreciated. She was confident 500 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: about her body, which is so rare, and that was nice. 501 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: And then yeah, I think you're right, because the like 502 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: during the eighties and nineties, we got so many coming 503 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: of age movies that we watched grew up with that 504 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: said like, oh, you go to college and then your 505 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: life you'll meet someone, or your life will change or 506 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: whatever it will be. And so I think that was 507 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: ingrained in a lot of our heads and then for 508 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: a lot of us too, if you grew up somewhere 509 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: in a small town, but it doesn't even necessarily have 510 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: to be a small town, but like, college was the 511 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: way to like I'm gonna I'm gonna get out of 512 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: this right dynamic and try something else, which is scary 513 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: and terrifying, but I think it is one of those 514 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: really formative scary if this feels life changing, it's past 515 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: this or pat this right, what are you gonna do? 516 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: And for her it really was she knew and she 517 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: said it if I start, And then the people that 518 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 2: she worked with said it, if I start working here 519 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: at this clothing shop, I'm never gonna get out, in 520 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: which she says, I'm only here until I get a 521 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 2: better job, and one of the other ladies like, yeah, okay, 522 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 2: we said too, I'm only here I win the lottery. 523 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 3: Like they say things like that. 524 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 2: And this was a massive moment for her of like, Okay, 525 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: if I say no to Columbia, that's it. 526 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 3: I'm done. This is what I would be. 527 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: And she had to make that choice and it was 528 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: huge life changing choices. It also changed her relationship with 529 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 2: her mom. I think it's going to be fixed, Like 530 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: in my head, you know, seeing in the future, it'll 531 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 2: be fixed because her mother's gonna be exceedingly proud and 532 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: want to brag about what her daughter has accomplished. But 533 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: these are life changing decisions for her moving to New 534 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 2: York or not me moving to New York, oh my god, 535 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: you know, even for again me for going to Athens 536 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: versus trying to go to a local college. You know, 537 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 2: there's massive things that happen that you never know, you know, 538 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: making a choice of being a social worker versus being 539 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: you know, like something else completely, Like all of these 540 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: things are huge choices that you don't know what it's 541 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: going to be. And then looking back down the road 542 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: and be like, I wish I could have changed this. 543 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: I would I'm glad I didn't do this. Like all 544 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: of these things are huge parts and it really was 545 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: a dynamic first, like the smaller things not so much 546 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: when you realize grades don't matter, just the degree, and 547 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: trying not to come out in. 548 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 3: Debt and much debt. You know, all of those things 549 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: are huge. 550 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: But like that that conversation of like these are decisions 551 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: that will make a difference in my life and coming 552 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 2: of age is learning that you have to make those 553 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 2: decisions really quickly. 554 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty young. 555 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 556 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: One thing I thought about to you watching this is, 557 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: you know when she her family is like you can't go. 558 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: Her mom is like, what about your grandfather? And they 559 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 1: have a really like tight knit family. She's moving across 560 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: the country before there's like cell phones. It's not like 561 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: she's gonna be able to like fly home that offer, right, 562 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: So you know when I I also went somewhere that 563 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 1: was like an hour away from my home where my 564 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: parents were, I had a cell phone, like I could 565 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: easily call them, But that like was an even bigger 566 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: decision for her because yeah, she's gonna be across the 567 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: country with no I mean, I guess you know there 568 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: are phones, but it just doesn't feel as easy, right. 569 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 2: Well. Also, if you don't have a lot of money, 570 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: flying back, yeah is not a possibility, Like she can't 571 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: just go home for the holidays, and she can't go home, 572 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: you know, like all these things. She's going to try 573 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: to find a job there and stay there and maintain there, 574 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: Like it's gonna be a while. I've thought about this 575 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: because going to Uga, I didn't go home often and 576 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: I had to find a job at Uga, or like 577 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: or I'd go home for the summer and had to 578 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 2: find a job somewhere else. 579 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 3: Like it's a signific decision. And yeah, it's only like 580 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: an hour and forty five minutes away, George. 581 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 2: Away, and it's felt like a huge change, Yeah, for 582 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: so much, and going across country in itself, like going 583 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: from LA to New York had. 584 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 3: To be a culture shock. Oh yeah, you know, like 585 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: going from Georgia to New York. We're still on the 586 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: same side of the coast. 587 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: But still that's significant obviously, so I couldn't imagine. Of course, 588 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: we have to talk about the fact that they had 589 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: to throw in the relationship, not throwing I do like 590 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: that it's a sideline. Yeah, and it's not the majority 591 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: of this, Like it's not the big part of who 592 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: she is. It's more about her finding her own footing 593 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: and being confident with this boy. It's not about this 594 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 2: boy or want to stay with this boy or changing 595 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: her mind for a boy. It was literally about all right, 596 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: do I feel confident with you? How do I feel 597 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: with you? And do you do I need to think 598 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 2: all these things, like I love where she's like, I've 599 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: written out topics for us to speak just in case 600 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: we need. 601 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 3: Help, like like things like that. I'm like, that is 602 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: so honest. 603 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if I would have like I would 604 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: have done it, but I don't know if I would 605 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 2: have told them right right? 606 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: And I do love I really do love their their 607 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: sex scene where she just seems to like no, like, yep, 608 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: I know this is not going to go anywhere. I'm 609 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: good with it. I want to do it like she 610 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: just has a good sense of right, I know what 611 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: I want. That's all right. 612 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: She prepared, got those condoms, she got on the condoms, 613 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 2: she made sure that she he saw her. She's like, 614 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: turned on the light. I want you to see what 615 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: I look like. I want you to see who I am. 616 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 2: And then her looking at herself like I can't do 617 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: that today, forty something years old. I'm like, oh, turn't 618 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: the light off no longer at me? Oh wait, you know, 619 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 2: like there're so many things I don't want to look 620 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: at myself, like I know it's my own confidence things. Yeah, 621 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 2: I got this, but you know, like I love that 622 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: for her, and I love that perspective. I think I'm 623 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 2: trying to remember what I felt when I saw that. 624 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 2: I think I just felt like shock. 625 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 3: I was like, what is what is she doing? 626 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 2: What? 627 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: Turn the all lights off? 628 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: In my head? 629 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you doing? 630 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 2: But it was, it was it was like looking back 631 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: at it now, as if to look at my old self, 632 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 2: I wish I could have been that, you know, like 633 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 2: really being confident because she's honest, and honesty in itself 634 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: is such a strength, you know, and protection and speaking 635 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: of it. 636 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 637 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 2: Body image was a huge part of this conversation, obviously, 638 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: as her mother is just chasing her down the road, 639 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 2: telling her she needs to stop, but she's too fat, 640 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: these things, she doesn't look like a lady, all of 641 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: these things. That was constant heart telling Estella that her 642 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: telling all the workers there except for that one girl 643 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: who was somewhat skinny and getting married, like that was 644 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: the only girl in the entirety of the place that 645 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: her mother approved of. 646 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the things she said was pretty shock. 647 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: I have to admit because this was my first time 648 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: watching it, and I was like it was less than 649 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: it was shocking, but it didn't stop. It was a 650 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: non stop. 651 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 3: It was. 652 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 2: Like wow, wow, wow, And I know, like people have 653 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: actually experienced this for sure. 654 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. 655 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm assuming for the writer this was something very personal 656 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 2: and that's something she has heard. We know during a 657 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: certain time, it feels like we're being attacked. Hopefully, you know, 658 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: some women today, a lot of women today deal with 659 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 2: a trauma that was due to up like this. But 660 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 2: I do love the fact again that Anna comes back 661 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: and she is like, look, woman, you birthed us, that 662 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: you are part of the reason we look like this, and. 663 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 3: You don't look much better. I don't understand why you're 664 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 3: talking to me like this. 665 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's I mean, she came out of the fire 666 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: like fortune too, something tougher than I would have been, 667 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: but she was ready right with those those comebacks and like. 668 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 3: No, yeah, I think. 669 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: Part of this is also her confidence with her grandfather 670 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: and her dad like doting on her and call like 671 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 2: you can tell the grandfather loves everything about her. He 672 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 2: calls her like his uh you know, pretty princess, all 673 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 2: these things, and when she has grown up and feeling 674 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: a little more confident because of them, thank god, thank god. 675 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 2: But with that an understanding, I think like when you 676 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: have the crossover where she did. She came into Beverly 677 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 2: Hills High School, she had to work to get to there, 678 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 2: she has to travel, and she has to do this 679 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 2: all on her own. 680 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 3: This is her own initiatives. No one's helping her. 681 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 2: As in fact, her mother was kind of holding her 682 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 2: back and be like, you need to stay, you need 683 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: to cook breakfast for the boys because I don't feel well, 684 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 2: and she's like, nah, I gotta go to school. This 685 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: was my last day of school. I don't know what 686 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 2: you're thinking. 687 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 3: I gotta go. And like, although everybody. 688 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 2: Was kind of like, uh, not cool, mom, they were 689 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: kind of just letting it be until Anna like stands 690 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 2: up for herself and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we 691 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: got this. Go to school, go to school again, allowing 692 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 2: for the mother to also go after a stella again. 693 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 2: In this midst of this conversation, which Stilla had nothing 694 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: to do with it, She's like, why am I getting? 695 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 2: What is this friendly fire? I don't understand, But like 696 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 2: having all of that and being able to stand up 697 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 2: for herself and knowing what she wanted and working hard 698 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 2: for it even if she didn't know if it was 699 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 2: going to end go anywhere Like that was one of 700 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 2: the things. But again having the confidence to call the boy. 701 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 2: I loved that scene too, calling him hanging up you 702 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 2: land lines those times, Oh. 703 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 3: Oh no, I like use her grandpa helping her go 704 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 3: on a date. Super cute. 705 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, like cover to cover talking about her breasts. He's like, 706 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 2: she's like, are you looking at my boobs? And he's 707 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, like. 708 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: No, yes, no, what's the right answer, right. 709 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 2: And then coming back and like being like the pretty 710 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: big boobs, so you should be looking like it was 711 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 2: a fantastic role and and America Ferrara, I really felt 712 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 2: like she made sure to be a part of this 713 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 2: conversation from jump from this to Ugly Betty, like we've 714 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 2: seen her play these roles with confidence. The Sisterhood of 715 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 2: Traveling Pants, I think that was all. I've never seen those. 716 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 3: Have you seen those? 717 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 2: I feel like that's a movie that we should be 718 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 2: what we should This is out in my generation because 719 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:02,760 Speaker 2: it's younger. 720 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 1: My friends loved it. 721 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 2: Yeah to y'all's age, So I was like, it wasn't 722 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 2: necessarily in my time range, but like for our show, we. 723 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 3: Probably should watch. It'd be new to both of us. 724 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 2: But I mean, Ferrara really portrays this confident role no 725 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 2: matter what she is and making sure that we understand 726 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 2: it is perfectly normal to look normal. And that's the 727 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 2: thing is, like none of these things are conversations about 728 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 2: her being big she's it shouldn't be because she's really not. 729 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 2: And we talked about this a long time ago in 730 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 2: an episode we talked about, you know, what does look 731 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 2: like to be a normal body? You know in a 732 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 2: world that seems to either celebrate or pay attention to 733 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 2: the extremes, right or making it extremes when it's just normal. 734 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is still ongoing conversation. And 735 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: I think, like this was really great in showing a 736 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: wide showcase of different body types, but that should be 737 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: the that should be the norm, because it's true, like 738 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: I have plenty of friends who are women in don't 739 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: really have curves, and I have plenty of friends who 740 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: have very big curves. People in the middle. It's a 741 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: whole range of bondy, right, It's. 742 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: A whole thing, which is like, you did a great 743 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 2: job in portraying in that workshop moment where they all 744 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 2: start taking things off to talk about their flaws, like 745 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 2: it was such a wonderful moment. I really think that's 746 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 2: one of the things that really broke the bearer and 747 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 2: in that conversation and everybody was like every woman was 748 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: like yep, yep, been there, ye doing the flabby dance, 749 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 2: like doing all of those. 750 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: Things you want to see cell. 751 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 3: Look at these stretch marks. 752 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful conversation and America for ours character, Anna 753 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 2: is celebrating at all, well, everybody is like yeah, yeah, yeah, 754 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 2: like uplifting each other but tearing their own selves down. 755 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 2: It's such a classic moment, and I think it did 756 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 2: an amazing job and making something really realistic but humorous 757 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 2: but also like heartfelt. 758 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that seems really lovely because the reason they 759 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: took off their clothes was because it was so hot 760 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: and they weren't allowed to use fan because it would 761 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: get dust on the dresses. But I like that she 762 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: just kind of was like, well, all right, take off 763 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: my clothes then, and the other it's like she's a 764 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: younger person who's sort of leading the older generation like, yeah, come. 765 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 3: On, come on now, but I do. 766 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I did feel bad because she's steaming things 767 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 2: and so under like the hottest portion of work and 768 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 2: so no wonder she was like, I'm dying. 769 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 3: I may have a hate stroke. 770 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 2: Like fair, No, that was that's intense in an area 771 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 2: that doesn't have hardly any air conditioning in LA with 772 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 2: no fan. 773 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yep, oh. 774 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 2: But yes, I forgot how great this movie is. I 775 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 2: think it is really touching, and I think it's a 776 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 2: great film for young kids. 777 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 3: Like again, I watched this. 778 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 2: It came out when I was twenty something, but I 779 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,479 Speaker 2: think it's such a good conversation to have for those 780 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 2: who are looking at the next steps of life and 781 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 2: just a great story to be told. Yeah. 782 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really liked it too. Like I said, I 783 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: thought it was so great. It was. It was one 784 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: of those things where I was like, oh, everything's not 785 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: solved at the end, because a lot of times those 786 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: movies are great when you get to the end and 787 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: you're like, yes, I love this, But sometimes it's nice 788 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: because that doesn't usually happen to most of us to 789 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 1: see things that it's It wasn't horrible by any means 790 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 1: it was pretty good, but it's still like not everything 791 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: was solved or figured out. That's where you are at 792 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 1: that point in your life usually like you're figuring things 793 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: out right, Yeah, And. 794 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 2: I forgot to mention at the front that this obviously 795 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 2: is a story about a Mexican immigrant family who is 796 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 2: just telling their story and what it's like being in 797 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 2: the us LA and trying to make it acclimate into 798 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 2: a situation where it doesn't always feel welcoming, but you know, 799 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 2: with your family, and so not only are you navigating that, 800 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 2: you're navigating your family life in a new culture. So, 801 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 2: like all of those things is beautiful and I think 802 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,399 Speaker 2: it's a great way to tell the story. I think 803 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 2: they did an amazing job in telling this and having 804 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 2: this conversation. 805 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and as you said, it has one a 806 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: lot of rewards. You can look it up, but it's 807 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: gotten a lot of recognition rightfully. So well, listeners, please 808 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: let us know if you have any thoughts about this 809 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: or any suggestions for our next movie. We are heading 810 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: into a spooky season. 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