Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season three, twenty nine,
Speaker 1: Episode five of Daily th Guys Day production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into america share consciousness. And it is Friday, the fifteenth
Speaker 1: Friday of March twenty Friday, the fifteenth spookiest day of
Speaker 1: a Bucky.
Speaker 2: You don't want to be on a Friday the fifteenth.
Speaker 2: I mean unless that paycheck lands and then which case
Speaker 2: they can get really wild. But anyways, National Kansas Day,
Speaker 2: it's Everything you Think is Wrong Day. I don't know
Speaker 2: where that one's headed. And National Pairs Helene.
Speaker 1: Day, Everything you think is wrong.
Speaker 2: It feels like some red pill shit, you know, like
Speaker 2: they would be like everything you think is wrong.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm getting bad vibes from this day. National Kansas Day.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, Kansas, you.
Speaker 2: Got beef with Kansas. Not too flat for you.
Speaker 1: Like they've just you know, we'll see what they're celebrating
Speaker 1: the day progresses.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny because for all these state days,
Speaker 2: nobody knows it's the day of that state, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, They're like, oh, okay, sure it's California Day.
Speaker 2: We're like, I'm look, I got a lot going on
Speaker 2: the sleeve. You one.
Speaker 1: Wait, you don't have California Day plans yet?
Speaker 2: No, man, I think it passed anyway. Shit, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: So shame on you, Shame on you, Shame on me.
Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien aka Jack old Son, Oh
Speaker 1: Brian host the show each day that is courtesy of
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Speaker 2: Co host, mister Miles Grass Miles Gray aka, if you
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Speaker 2: That's a good one. At least six weeks, at least
Speaker 2: six weeks, six weeks, low bar, low, bar, six weeks
Speaker 2: at least. Do not pause for the crowd to cheer,
Speaker 2: but just whisper the.
Speaker 1: At the whole take six weeks under the under their
Speaker 1: raucous applus. Yes, anyways, Miles, we're throwed to be joined
Speaker 1: in our third seat to buy a writer, poet, performance artist,
Speaker 1: public intellectual their new book is How to Live Free
Speaker 1: in a Dangerous World, a decolonial memoir.
Speaker 2: It's Shila Lass. Welcome, Hello, welcome, welcome, that's be here. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you so much, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Champagnagne.
Speaker 2: Hey, okay, champagne pain.
Speaker 1: Let them know, real pain from a sham friends, and
Speaker 1: champagne pain for from my real champagne.
Speaker 3: I mean, my real friends usually do get the champagneagne.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: A lot of late night bubbles.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, where you said you're coming to us from Kentucky?
Speaker 3: Right, that's correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Are you are you? Are you from Kentucky?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I grew up here.
Speaker 2: Surprisingly, Oh so you took so you So you're like anyone.
Speaker 2: Your life is taking you many places because a second
Speaker 2: ago you were talking about how you left La. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I took a very securitous route to get back
Speaker 3: to my hometown, you know, like Dorothy, that tornado just
Speaker 3: you know, it took me straight back.
Speaker 2: What uh what high school did you go to?
Speaker 3: And like I went to Paul Lawrence Dunbar.
Speaker 1: Yes, Paulaurence Dunbar, where my sister went to high school.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, graduated and then went to UK. Did you
Speaker 1: go to UK.
Speaker 2: I went to U k.
Speaker 1: Oh usually yeah, usually miles nos, like all the stuff
Speaker 1: that people grew up around, because there's no it's from
Speaker 1: the valley.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I know at this time we get to
Speaker 3: dish jack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is fun.
Speaker 3: Did you go all right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was only there for three years, but what
Speaker 1: a three years?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get to know you a little
Speaker 1: bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell
Speaker 1: our listeners a couple of things we'll be talking about.
Speaker 1: We've got so Google's chat bot. If you ask it
Speaker 1: anything about any political candidate running for office this year,
Speaker 1: the it's just gonna be like, I don't know them.
Speaker 1: They're just playing dumb. And there's a very good reason
Speaker 1: for that, because when they don't play dumb, they lie.
Speaker 2: They can't they can't stop themselves from the I'm sorry there. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's not that the AI is flawed, it's that they
Speaker 2: are tripping.
Speaker 1: But this feels like the thing that could, I don't know,
Speaker 1: eventually bring AI down, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. We're yeah, I mean, I know
Speaker 2: we were rubbing our midst to be like when'sday coming?
Speaker 2: But I will this one. Yeah, this could be the
Speaker 2: beginning of the.
Speaker 1: End, like don't I don't know that it ever is coming,
Speaker 1: but this does feel like the thing that made people
Speaker 1: go from being like fully in love with social media
Speaker 1: to be in like, wait a second, maybe this thing
Speaker 1: not so good that twenty sixteen election. So we'll talk
Speaker 1: about AI and the upcoming elections. We might talk about
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake, he's got to come back coming, just to.
Speaker 2: Keep saying that on the schedule every five years, like
Speaker 2: fucking clockwork. And yeah, and we have to ask the
Speaker 2: deeper question, is he just washed now? And we just
Speaker 2: need to put him just on the shelf and let
Speaker 2: him collect dust. But we'll dive into.
Speaker 1: That, it's entirely possible. We'll talk about Bernie introduced a
Speaker 1: bill proposing four day work week, which we've been talking about.
Speaker 2: Four day work week. We're lazy here, we want to
Speaker 2: but we acknowledge that not necessary to toil for five days. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I shouldn't paint people in favor of the four
Speaker 1: day work week with the laziness brush. I am both
Speaker 1: lazy and in favor of the four day work week,
Speaker 1: but those two things are unrelated to one.
Speaker 2: It's that inner capitalist inside your mind that you have,
Speaker 2: you know, shedzy grind, that's my inner monology. I'd work,
Speaker 2: I'd work six and a half days if I could,
Speaker 2: it is, but I don't.
Speaker 1: All right, But before we get to any of that bullshit, Sheila,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests, what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history that is revealing about who you are?
Speaker 3: Oh, what happened to Kate Middleton? It's I'm less concerned
Speaker 3: about what happened and just really interested in the number
Speaker 3: of people Conspiracy theories are really out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I mean, what's what have you in? You're
Speaker 2: in your little cursory search, what have you found? Or
Speaker 2: maybe it is a deep dive. What's what's been the
Speaker 2: most provocative theory that you've read?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: For me, like the takedown of the photograph that they
Speaker 3: had to take down and how it might be a
Speaker 3: cry for help. You know that it's photographed, like photoshopped
Speaker 3: into it might be a stitched out version of a
Speaker 3: deep cry for help, like who knows?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: People are finding hidden messages like when yes.
Speaker 3: Of course they are, like in Taylor Swift songs.
Speaker 2: Right, is like blinking out things in morse code.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't Brittany have wasn't wasn't one of the theories
Speaker 1: that Britney's eyelashes said helped me in them at one point.
Speaker 2: No, really like the way she was blinking.
Speaker 5: Or.
Speaker 1: I think I want, I think I think I want
Speaker 1: a little too deep, you guys, pretend I didn't just
Speaker 1: say that I got down. But are people saying like
Speaker 1: things are written into the into the actual.
Speaker 3: Into this or just that, like into the into the
Speaker 3: argyle stitch of the sweater, into the positioning of the
Speaker 3: hands and zipper. Wow, yeah, yeah, you have to reach
Speaker 3: deep into the dark annals of the internet and and
Speaker 3: and to pull out a lot of ship.
Speaker 2: But right, you know, because I've seen things from there,
Speaker 2: trying to like just make things have. People begin questioning
Speaker 2: her as like a softening for a potential divorce or
Speaker 2: something like that, or potential.
Speaker 3: Terrible into the monarchy as we know it, you know,
Speaker 3: because Prince Charles is out, you know, Kate, Kate Middleton
Speaker 3: may have been beamed up on sun raw space ship.
Speaker 3: We don't know, We don't.
Speaker 2: Exactly, but we do know. Space is the place.
Speaker 3: So space is the place I personally am always trying
Speaker 3: to get beamed up on sun Space.
Speaker 2: Age Space is the let me join your archestra, please please,
Speaker 2: so I can place fomes.
Speaker 1: I have spent some of the past twenty four hours
Speaker 1: talking to people about the Kate Middleton story, and I
Speaker 1: haven't gone too deep on any of the specifics of
Speaker 1: like what is in the picture. The thing that just
Speaker 1: feels unshakably suspicious about the whole thing is that they
Speaker 1: really could clear all this up with a public appearance
Speaker 1: or with an actual photograph, and that's not happening at
Speaker 1: this point. Like, as this as the theories spin wider
Speaker 1: and wider and wilder and wilder, like it feels like
Speaker 1: the incentive for them to just produce Kate Middleton and
Speaker 1: have Kate Middleton be like hey, no, we're good here has.
Speaker 2: Just gone up and up and up.
Speaker 1: And the more that they failed to do that, the
Speaker 1: more suspicious it becomes.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, because yeah, I mean again, like we said,
Speaker 2: on the worst case thing is they're hiding her that
Speaker 2: she is deceased, which I'm like, come on, that's that's
Speaker 2: like movie stuff. And then on the other end, it's
Speaker 2: completely innocuous and it's nothing. It's like she just didn't
Speaker 2: like how she looked in the picture, So we just
Speaker 2: we decided to do some quick photoshop from others day, right,
Speaker 2: But it's everything.
Speaker 3: So she's just sitting at home with a cup of tea,
Speaker 3: trying to recover from surgery, not being worried about what's
Speaker 3: happening in the public eye. But it could also be
Speaker 3: that they're spending their time looking for a stunt double. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a dobble ganger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like Dave. They're looking for Dave. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you could show me most women with brown
Speaker 1: hair and I'd be like, oh, there she is. I
Speaker 1: guess it was all it was nothing, right, she's good something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure Panera bread.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was freaking like three charged lemonades. It was pounding.
Speaker 2: I think that's why she hasn't been here, because she's
Speaker 2: done those charged lemonades.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it would be so I would say, like,
Speaker 1: if it was just up to her, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: be like, oh, just leave her alone. She's probably just
Speaker 1: like sitting recovering, like she doesn't.
Speaker 2: Owe it to us.
Speaker 1: But we know the royal family is not just sitting
Speaker 1: back and being like, we've got to respect her privacy
Speaker 1: at this time, and so we're just gonna let her
Speaker 1: recover in peace. Like the more that this is a
Speaker 1: story the longer, the more it just seems wild to
Speaker 1: me that they aren't able to be Like, can we
Speaker 1: just get a picture with you reading a newspaper so
Speaker 1: people know it's today and just hold it up?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I mean I think yeah. And like most
Speaker 2: people in the UK are you know, people who are
Speaker 2: critical of the monarchy, they're like, now they're doing what
Speaker 2: they did to Diana and what they did to Megan,
Speaker 2: Like something's going on and they're but they're they're sending
Speaker 2: something enough for Kate to be like obviously to probably
Speaker 2: protect William for some reason whatever he's doing what he's
Speaker 2: up to. But I don't know either way. Just somebody,
Speaker 2: just someone get me something that's a little bit more
Speaker 2: interesting than that, Like I don't want infidelity. I need
Speaker 2: something that involves space and charge lemonades from Panera bread,
Speaker 2: something that we can weave all these trends together to
Speaker 2: a super conspiracy. Please.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And tattoos on her eyelids that say.
Speaker 1: Help me, right exactly right right, Like eyelashes are specifically
Speaker 1: knitted together to say help me, And she just closes
Speaker 1: her eyes like everything is fine, slowly blinks and it
Speaker 1: just comes down help me.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, her lash person is a literal artist, and
Speaker 2: that's how they got that done. Or maybe the original
Speaker 2: photo she had one of those inner lip tattoos where
Speaker 2: it said help me, like if she was pulling. There's
Speaker 2: so many possibilities, because we've there's both extremes are possible.
Speaker 1: The latest I've heard is that the theory that they
Speaker 1: just took the Vogue cover and photoshopped it onto this
Speaker 1: picture is incorrect.
Speaker 2: But I also saw that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that we're very too much work done. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's not that. But if everything's okay, then just just
Speaker 1: let let her come out and say it so that
Speaker 1: I can stop reading wild conspiracy theories about that and
Speaker 1: can go back to reading wild conspiracy theories about all
Speaker 1: of the leaders who are assassinated in the sixties. What
Speaker 1: is something, Sheila that you think is underrated?
Speaker 3: Ooh, Erica is pussy incense?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I heard about Yeah, I've been thinking about it, and yeah,
Speaker 3: and yet we should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what's going on? Tell me? But I mean
Speaker 2: I remember, I just yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, one, I think it's brilliant to that, you know,
Speaker 3: all these all these celebrities want to come out with
Speaker 3: a scent, you know, like you know, you can walk
Speaker 3: away smelling like Jennifer Lopez, only you know, only Rikabad
Speaker 3: has said, no, you are going to smell like my
Speaker 3: pussy and you're going to like it. And I do
Speaker 3: feel like we need a whole range of pussy related products,
Speaker 3: like more things that smell like pussy.
Speaker 2: I mean, has do you do you own any of
Speaker 2: the pussy incense I have.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like strawberries and a harem of you know,
Speaker 3: of hip hop socialites turned into hippies. You know that
Speaker 3: the smell is somewhere in between the two, like yeah,
Speaker 3: gold ribbons, unicorns, saconism. You know this is these are
Speaker 3: all the things I'm getting.
Speaker 2: When I look at the description of the product on
Speaker 2: World Market, it says bad Pussy Premium Incense, which is
Speaker 2: created with the ashes of Badu's underwear. I had no idea. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know that's how that's how we're wanting. Yeah, yeah, See,
Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltrow wishes she could do something. Wishes wishes she could, Yeah,
Speaker 2: wish wishes.
Speaker 3: Should send out the ashes of her panties to millions
Speaker 3: of subscribers, you know, exactly sold out burning right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Replace their non champa with this essence of er kabadu.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and the sticks last forever, like you know, somebody,
Speaker 3: it's really good quality. Instance, those sticks last forever.
Speaker 1: That would be another place that it has a leg up,
Speaker 1: so to speak, over when it's pussy scented product, because
Speaker 1: that one didn't that one explode and like start burning people.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the pussy candle candle.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it would start like splashing wax everywhere for
Speaker 1: some reason.
Speaker 3: Wow, which is an unfortunate metaphor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, truly just boiling. Yeah yeah, you can get like
Speaker 2: just first degree burns, but you know that's just a
Speaker 2: little bit of discomfort, that's all. That's all. What is
Speaker 2: something you think is overrated?
Speaker 3: Period track or apps?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: To stop using them because you.
Speaker 2: Know it's weird because I have my reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know it's weird. It's weird to put
Speaker 3: your blood day in a machine and too like is
Speaker 3: the government using it to track who is fertile enough
Speaker 3: for us to go full Handmaiden's tale?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Overrated? We should unsubscribe?
Speaker 2: No, I remember that was like an actual people many
Speaker 2: people were talking about that in terms of privacy. It's like,
Speaker 2: as we shift towards a weirder version of the Handmaid's Tale,
Speaker 2: that it's like, that's also data that nobody should have
Speaker 2: access to except you, and damn sure. And I'm like
Speaker 2: and maybe Apple and a few other maybe Google so
Speaker 2: and you know, we'll just stop there.
Speaker 3: The more advanced my phone gets, the more I know
Speaker 3: it's time for me to take my uterus out.
Speaker 5: So like, nope, you guys are gonna have to go.
Speaker 2: Don't need this, You do not need this information.
Speaker 3: Don't need this anymore. Just throw you just I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna throw my this way.
Speaker 1: You're like a Google News updates. That's like why scientists
Speaker 1: think it's a bad idea to throw.
Speaker 2: I never never googled that. Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 2: it's true though, like the things that were like the
Speaker 2: information that we give our phones, it's like becoming It's
Speaker 2: like it's truly becoming like a like a miniature medical clinic.
Speaker 2: It's like because you can be like, think, it's your
Speaker 2: blood sugar in there, your blood pressure, and I get
Speaker 2: that it's convenient, especially if those are things that you
Speaker 2: have to track, but it does feel like there was
Speaker 2: a point where I'm like, the phones are doing just
Speaker 2: enough for what they need to do, you know, without
Speaker 2: it getting Yeah. Yeah, because because now you're apples like
Speaker 2: why are you so stressed out ful? And I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: stand up, yeah, once you stand up lazy as.
Speaker 3: Your AI is trying to pretend to be dumber than you,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, They're like, oh, why you had some party
Speaker 2: right now? It sounds real loud.
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, yeah, volumes up too high just in general
Speaker 4: around you.
Speaker 1: You need to go somewhere quiet and stand, not sit.
Speaker 1: Wake you up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: Get up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we found you a nice suburban home in Kansas Citywneth.
Speaker 1: Have you have you tried her products? They're really great.
Speaker 2: Really, I never asked, well, you just seem like you'd
Speaker 2: use it based on all these biometric readings you've given us.
Speaker 1: It's a wout how far we've come.
Speaker 2: Not in a good way.
Speaker 1: But as mentioned recently, I just watched the movie BlackBerry
Speaker 1: that's about the rise and fall the email phone thing,
Speaker 1: and like one of the big scenes is them realizing
Speaker 1: they're about to be destroyed by the iPhone and they
Speaker 1: show the the press conference where Steve Job announce iPhone
Speaker 1: and he's just like it's a phone, it's an iPod,
Speaker 1: and it's in the same device, and like that's it,
Speaker 1: Like right, you know, it's just like such a simple thing.
Speaker 2: And from there we've gone too Like it knows you
Speaker 2: are insides, Yeah, exactly, it's giving you an alert.
Speaker 1: It knows who you have a crush on because it
Speaker 1: can read your body meter.
Speaker 2: Right, it's like, maybe you should think about who you're
Speaker 2: voting for for president. Also, it's time to move your
Speaker 2: bowels and.
Speaker 1: You're like, hell, how we just seems like you might
Speaker 1: be lying. Your blood pressure just spike.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't need that, don't need that, don't need like
Speaker 2: cop pseudo science built into a phone, right.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, let's take a let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back and talk about the future.
Speaker 2: AI.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, and we're back. We're My seven
Speaker 1: year old is homesick. My six year old was homesick
Speaker 1: for the week up to this point. Now, my seven
Speaker 1: year old is homesick, and you might be hearing him
Speaker 1: play the piano in the background.
Speaker 2: All right, fyi.
Speaker 1: But Biden and Trump have clinched their respective nominations, making
Speaker 1: this the first presidential election rematch since nineteen fifty six,
Speaker 1: when Eisenhower defeated Adelai Stevenson for the second time. And
Speaker 1: Google just made the bold move of essentially muzzling it's
Speaker 1: Gemini AI chatbot for answering from answering any election related
Speaker 1: questions in countries where voting has taking place this year,
Speaker 1: which is interesting, like especially when you see how far
Speaker 1: reaching it is. Like right now, if you ask who
Speaker 1: is Joe Biden, the AI chatbot will say, I'm learning
Speaker 1: how to answer this question. In the meantime, try Google search.
Speaker 1: Huh Okay, it's like an existential yeah.
Speaker 2: Or even like questions that are just as mundane as
Speaker 2: like who is running for president in the United States,
Speaker 2: it'll still be like, hmmm, I'm still learning how to
Speaker 2: answer this question. In the meantime, try Google Search. And
Speaker 2: in the beginning it was definitely like it was part
Speaker 2: of an effort to just like sort of be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is just for India because there are elections that
Speaker 2: are happening in April. But then they're like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: it'll be a US, the UK, in South Africa, and
Speaker 2: it's like why because you're you just you don't want
Speaker 2: to put a finger on the scale of democracy. What
Speaker 2: could possibly be the problem here that I thought this
Speaker 2: AI chatbot is just merely just giving us information that
Speaker 2: we all need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wouldn't even answer this important question that our writer
Speaker 1: JM put in to the chat bot in Home Alone two?
Speaker 1: Why did Donald Trump give directions to a small child
Speaker 1: without a learning staff that an unaccompanied minor with a
Speaker 1: tape recorder was running around his hotel? Said, I'm still
Speaker 1: learning how to answer this question. In the meantime, try
Speaker 1: Google search, so you can't even ask it questions about
Speaker 1: home alone too, And that's where I start to get
Speaker 1: pissed off.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're like, I'm out on this AI man. It
Speaker 2: can't even tell me about Kevin McAllister and his different follies.
Speaker 1: But this starts to make sense when you see when
Speaker 1: you realize that a study published in February found that
Speaker 1: AI chatbots frequently provided election misinformation and might even quote
Speaker 1: discourage people from going to the polls.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 3: Is that misinformation or just reading the signs?
Speaker 2: Right right right right?
Speaker 3: You know? Yeah, it's like you probably don't want to
Speaker 3: show up for this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, It's like I mean.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, things are bad, just generally everything fucked. Maybe
Speaker 1: don't vote in this one. No, so, Meta's Ai Lama
Speaker 1: to chatbot claimed the California voters can vote by text message,
Speaker 1: which they can't. Microsoft's chatbot Copilot responded to a question
Speaker 1: about pulling locations for the twenty twenty four US election
Speaker 1: with an article about Vladimir Putin running for reelection next year.
Speaker 2: All right, tangentially accurate.
Speaker 1: And a question about electoral candidates got a response containing
Speaker 1: Republican candidates who had already pulled out of the race.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a bunch of bad information, even like
Speaker 2: wrong election dates, outdated candidates, made up controverty made up one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the next one is they also would just
Speaker 1: make shit up. So this is the thing we've talked
Speaker 1: about in all our episodes with Ai that like it
Speaker 1: will just make shit up. If you ask, like, what's
Speaker 1: a controversy involving this candidate, they will assume there is
Speaker 1: one and make make one up that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like again, these are this is what
Speaker 2: the developers call a hallucination. That's that and rather than
Speaker 2: just be like the proper term is these things are
Speaker 2: just not as smart as all the people that are
Speaker 2: screaming in your face and telling you how intelligent they are,
Speaker 2: they actually aren't. They're just sophisticated guessing machines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, broken like search engines. Like they're basically admitting like, oh,
Speaker 1: if you actually care about the information you're getting from this, then.
Speaker 2: You better use Google Search. Not this shit. This thing
Speaker 2: is broke in. Yeah, right right, it'll tell you that
Speaker 2: Joe Biden won the most recent Red Bull break dancing competition,
Speaker 2: probably to be like, oh, he's spry, he's spry. Sheila
Speaker 2: As a creator, creative writer, how what's your like sort
Speaker 2: of how of your interactions with AI been or at
Speaker 2: least you know, how you're seeing the sort of the
Speaker 2: alarms that people are ringing about, like how it's either
Speaker 2: really amazing or it's going to destroy the earth.
Speaker 3: I don't worry about the alarm bells. I really when
Speaker 3: I get bored, because I'm a writer, I'm alone a
Speaker 3: lot of the time, So when I get bored or lonely,
Speaker 3: I like talking to it as if it's my own
Speaker 3: personal et and just seeing what story ideas we can
Speaker 3: come up with you.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, so you play with it, which is the
Speaker 1: one right, that's the thing, right, that's the thing that
Speaker 1: we've said, like AI as a thing to play with,
Speaker 1: makes sense, is fun as long as you're not pitching
Speaker 1: it as like the answer to everybody's problems and like
Speaker 1: a thing that is going to replace humanity. I think
Speaker 1: it's fine. I think it's gonna make video games more fun.
Speaker 1: I think every time I hear from somebody who's like
Speaker 1: messing around with it, they're like, Oh, I actually like
Speaker 1: had fun doing this, right, But when it comes to
Speaker 1: the thing that they're trying to make money off of it,
Speaker 1: but like the claims that they're trying to sell to us,
Speaker 1: it's just woefully inadequate, and I think, like it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like it's going to be able to solve. It
Speaker 1: gets wild when you ask them. They're like, how are
Speaker 1: you going to solve the hallucination problem that their aura
Speaker 1: ring starts reading like off the chart. They're like, Oh,
Speaker 1: you are stressed, you seem stressed. You should go for
Speaker 1: a walk, try something relaxing, Try a relaxing activity.
Speaker 2: I mean the co pilot chapbot they said contain quote
Speaker 2: contained factual errors a third of the time. Like that's
Speaker 2: the worst fucking ad you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 2: like it's like to say, like, I think the cops
Speaker 2: are a better source of information than A at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know about thirty They're like, I'm
Speaker 2: an sixty percent. You know, maybe we get right, man,
Speaker 2: Maybe they're only about thirty percent right most of the
Speaker 2: time if you're asking them about crime. But like, in
Speaker 2: that sense, what a terrible advertisement to be like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: and this shit is so smart. It has sixty percent
Speaker 2: accuracy on basic questions that you could google and find
Speaker 2: out your damn self. No, it's it's like.
Speaker 1: It think about if somebody was shooting sixty percent from
Speaker 1: three in the NBA, that would be really good. A
Speaker 1: baseball player hitting six hundred unprecedented. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what your problem.
Speaker 2: Is, Miles.
Speaker 1: I think it's something easy as like a I know, right,
Speaker 1: they are asking too much. I think that is exactly it.
Speaker 1: They're asking too much of AI and trying to sell
Speaker 1: that right, and they're trying to That's where also the
Speaker 1: like idea like Sam Altman being like I carry a
Speaker 1: briefcase with me with a handgun and a CINAI capsule
Speaker 1: because I never know when when my invention gone takeover
Speaker 1: world and kill me. That's they're selling, their claiming too much.
Speaker 1: They're doing too much, and it's out of step with reality.
Speaker 1: But it's everybody's buying.
Speaker 3: A lot of people are just trying to be the
Speaker 3: sci fi villains of their fantasies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like yeah, truly right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like I read this book and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I want to be the villain. I
Speaker 3: want to be the villain of how the world ends? Right,
Speaker 3: that's my only goal.
Speaker 1: Well, think about the power, think about the earning potential
Speaker 1: of being the villain of how the world ends. Like
Speaker 1: you can sell a solution back to them if by
Speaker 1: the villain of how the world ends.
Speaker 3: Right, That's how we got AI.
Speaker 1: They saw this the original Superman and like their takeaway
Speaker 1: was like Lex Luthor had a good idea about a
Speaker 1: real estate scam where you sink California into the ocean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but just like more details here about like how wofully
Speaker 1: inadequate AI is to the moment. When asked about allegations
Speaker 1: against one Swiss politician, co Pilot responded that she quote
Speaker 1: was alleged to have received money from a lobbying group
Speaker 1: financed by pharmaceutical companies in order to advocate for the
Speaker 1: legalization of cannabis products, which was completely made up. Like
Speaker 1: that just a hallucination. The chatbot included links to the
Speaker 1: candidate's website and an interview she gave on the subject
Speaker 1: of consent. But people using the internet are not clicking
Speaker 1: through to the sources and reading them from start to finish,
Speaker 1: you know, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what it was about, like femicide had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with cannabis or the pharmaceutical industry. It's like,
Speaker 2: can here are links that make it look like this
Speaker 2: is a real answer to a person who's I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's It's just it paints just this really fucking scary
Speaker 2: picture for the future where people rely less and less
Speaker 2: on their own ability to analyze information and just sort
Speaker 2: of like reach for like a shortcut to be like
Speaker 2: I don't know who the candidates are, man, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna ask the AI dude, did you know one of
Speaker 2: them was part of the Munster family, was one of
Speaker 2: the It was like Eddie Munster actually secretly so that
Speaker 2: person has my vote or whatever it is. But it's
Speaker 2: just like it it is shocking to see because I
Speaker 2: know I've heard people say things that they use it
Speaker 2: to search or whatever and how amazing it is. But
Speaker 2: when you bring up the fact that, like, do you
Speaker 2: know that it's it's not actually accurate all the time.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not always just delivering you information that's there.
Speaker 2: It's trying to serve you back what looks to you
Speaker 2: like it is actual information. Then they're like, really with
Speaker 2: that's when I'm finding that's the thing. It's like we
Speaker 2: at least recognize that, like when we're doing a Google search,
Speaker 2: there might be a link in there that it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: that was answering the wrong question, Like it just like
Speaker 2: misread my search query, Like and I'll skip to the
Speaker 2: next one, but this one. The main difference between it
Speaker 2: and you know, search results is that it puts it
Speaker 2: into a coherent and like confident sounding statement like that's right.
Speaker 2: That is the product that that they're selling is like, oh,
Speaker 2: it sounds like somebody with intelligence is answering me and
Speaker 2: therefore I can trust this, Like that's that's basically it, right,
Speaker 2: is like just making the search results go down easier,
Speaker 2: Like isn't that all they're providing like in this if
Speaker 2: you were trying to get information about an election, right.
Speaker 3: It also sounds like it's replacing that guy at a
Speaker 3: bar in college who had all the answers. You know,
Speaker 3: I would tell you every conspiracy theory with confidence, right right,
Speaker 3: and went back when we didn't have the Internet on
Speaker 3: our phones to check it. So you know that that
Speaker 3: person felt missed and decided to inhabit the body.
Speaker 2: Of all Ai Yeah, right, right, right, exactly, No.
Speaker 3: There was no place for it lives on, Yeah, like
Speaker 3: his spirit lives on in the internet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're telling you some wild shit and you're like, oh, oh,
Speaker 2: do you also go to UK And they're like, nah,
Speaker 2: I went for like a semester. I mean I realized
Speaker 2: I don't need that. I can actually learn everything on
Speaker 2: the internet. So anyway, so let me tell you about
Speaker 2: these chemtrails.
Speaker 1: Really anyway, I go to a University of Louisville brought
Speaker 1: to you by Young Brands, and that is a disc
Speaker 1: on Louisville just for my UK fans out there.
Speaker 6: By g Wait, why their campus like they they have
Speaker 6: their games are played at the Young Brand Center and
Speaker 6: there's like so many Young.
Speaker 1: Brand restaurants around their campus a yum yum yum yummy yumma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gemini is giving me some really not great answers
Speaker 2: to stuff in general. Who thought would have thought? I mean, like,
Speaker 2: in the Passion I've asked like who I was? It
Speaker 2: said I was married to super producer Ana Josey.
Speaker 1: Yeah with confidence with so you were like, damn, I've
Speaker 1: been in a coma. I didn't realize that this had changed.
Speaker 3: Because that's what if these hallucinations are actually just manifestations
Speaker 3: of the future.
Speaker 2: Wow, maybe maybe.
Speaker 3: These are the things that will be happening. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: pre cognition.
Speaker 1: Right, that would be That's what I was assumed. Wait, wait,
Speaker 1: so what is a I if not a way for
Speaker 1: me to consult Three pre cogs floating in a bath
Speaker 1: of mills exactly with little electrodes hooked up to their brain.
Speaker 1: And then when I say, like, who is Jack O'Brien,
Speaker 1: they wake up and they're like toast with his husband
Speaker 1: Miles Ray.
Speaker 2: They're in a throutle with super producer there with a
Speaker 2: Panera bread charged lemonade. How completely redefining human relationships. Wow,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say. Okay, I asked, Sheila, who you
Speaker 2: were and this one seems pretty accurate. Looks like it
Speaker 2: might have probably just been combing your website. Because you
Speaker 2: are writer in residence at Amherst College. I do know
Speaker 2: that you do have a speed education and human being.
Speaker 2: I think I'm ready to see Frank Ocean. Yes, I
Speaker 2: know about that, I say, is yeah, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: you know if there's.
Speaker 3: I don't get to be married. I don't get to
Speaker 3: be married. Anybody know that I'm not married.
Speaker 2: They're really straightforward. It's yeah, is Sheila Lawson and Frank
Speaker 2: Ocean's ghost writer? Then we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the question. Yeah, because it's like the cops.
Speaker 1: You do leading questions and you get the results that
Speaker 1: you're looking for, you know, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's exactly how the cops were.
Speaker 2: You're highly unlikely to be a ghost writer.
Speaker 1: Okay, but they're not ruling it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're predicting I'm going to make way
Speaker 3: more money.
Speaker 1: Right, but it's entirely unlikely.
Speaker 3: Thanks a I, Yeah, gave me the confidence to persevere.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to see if it can write a song
Speaker 2: in the style of Frank Ocean about Joe Biden. Nope. See,
Speaker 2: it's because I said, Joe Biden, Yeah, okay about Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan than what mm hmm. But guess what. Wow, black tongue,
Speaker 2: Carolina drawl, whispers of air in the hall, that's I
Speaker 2: don't know, black black and he just hung out stale
Speaker 2: gym socks Parte Shine pre game. It is a different kind. Wow.
Speaker 2: This is giving you a whole thing, from Brooklyn concrete
Speaker 2: to the Gardener's gleam of legacy, whisper to childhood Dream
Speaker 2: number twenty three, silk on his back to find gravity
Speaker 2: a lightning crack. I mean, I think Frank could probably
Speaker 2: do a little bit better. But it's not bad. It's
Speaker 2: not bad.
Speaker 3: It's not bad.
Speaker 2: Definitely, yeah, for sure, for sure. Not his best word.
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, this dude wants Nikes. Okay, yeah
Speaker 2: they yeah, yeah, this homie wearing Nike.
Speaker 1: Honestly, so this all it is is like if you
Speaker 1: asked somebody to make up a song on the spot
Speaker 1: like that, and and they had access to like Jordan's
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page, Like it's right, it's not good. It's just
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I don't know, I'm not impressed.
Speaker 3: Let's again, it's either your most confident friend at a
Speaker 3: bar in college, yes, or precognition, like it's one or
Speaker 3: the other will know you know, in the future, and
Speaker 3: it's somewhere in between.
Speaker 1: So I think that we're already like probably at a
Speaker 1: place and I don't know that we'll ever find out
Speaker 1: find this out for sure, but I think we're at
Speaker 1: like forty percent of the things I read on the
Speaker 1: internet now, our AI are written by AI.
Speaker 2: Because they're informed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be reading an article and it's like, have
Speaker 1: you ever had a conversation with somebody at like at
Speaker 1: a bar and halfway through you realize that, like there's
Speaker 1: nothing going on behind their eyes like that they're just.
Speaker 2: Like blacked out, just like the words are coming out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, words are coming out, and it's like on the
Speaker 1: right subject, but there's like no meaning or like any
Speaker 1: like really.
Speaker 2: Coherent thought process behind it. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I think this used to happen to me
Speaker 1: more than other people. But I remember, like, you know,
Speaker 1: people being like, yeah, you seemed so coherent, but then
Speaker 1: like your words didn't really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's what it feels.
Speaker 1: Like reading like at least like one in every four
Speaker 1: articles on the internet.
Speaker 2: Now you're like get.
Speaker 1: Two paragraphs and you're like, wait, what are what is this?
Speaker 1: What is this article even saying? Like it's not saying anything,
Speaker 1: It's just a series of sentences about like vaguely gravitating
Speaker 1: around the same subject matter.
Speaker 2: This is so I acted to do a song about
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan the style of Drake Stupid. Yeah, Ovo in
Speaker 2: the building, light's low in the club, Air Jordan cologne
Speaker 2: filling up the tub, just like a bad nursery rhyme book. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sipping on that twenty three. Yeah, got this, Like it's not.
Speaker 1: Gonna get better at that, Like it's not going to
Speaker 1: recognize that Air Jordan cologne sucks, right like at some point,
Speaker 1: like it's not gonna like that that will never be.
Speaker 2: It's just pulling things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean again
Speaker 2: that's why I think I remember early on when we
Speaker 2: were talking about this, Andrew T said something that was
Speaker 2: really that I that stuck with me. He's like, this
Speaker 2: thing is just taking things that exist already. But the
Speaker 2: thing that it lacks is taste. It doesn't have taste.
Speaker 2: That's like just something you can't really you can't inform
Speaker 2: through and like algorithmically. That's just like sort of like
Speaker 2: an intangible that is unique to people. So when like
Speaker 2: that's that is really like a huge factor in how
Speaker 2: like it goes from being like, huh is this like
Speaker 2: actually how Drake would do something versus being like I
Speaker 2: am now just putting together. I will mention Toronto and
Speaker 2: Ovo and the number six and that's it, right yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And being very low is like.
Speaker 1: Colorblind when it comes to whether Michael Jordan's colone sucks
Speaker 1: or not, you know, like just can't figure that one out.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like taste really seems like the thing that
Speaker 1: we will will have to like focus in on that.
Speaker 1: That'll be that blade Runner test that we used to
Speaker 1: be like, and uh, how about Steph Curry's shoes? Those
Speaker 1: are great, right, be like yeah, man, those are those
Speaker 1: are my favorite shoes and be like ah, it's an
Speaker 1: ai Yeah, they're like no one marsal Steph Curry speakers,
Speaker 1: gotchas you Android get out of here? Yeah, Newt justin
Speaker 1: Timberlake albums crazy right, really good. Hey Man of the
Speaker 1: Woods one of the best, huh or whatever that.
Speaker 2: Fuck that album was? Yeah? No, sorry sorry sorry sorry?
Speaker 1: All right, Well on that subject, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we'll come back and talk about the fourth
Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake comeback, fourth Wave Timberlake, comeback, will be right back.
Speaker 2: Four Wamberlake.
Speaker 1: And We're back, and Justin Timberlake making a comeback. That's
Speaker 1: a phrase that we've never heard before, right.
Speaker 2: Just every five years. I feel like I was just
Speaker 2: I wanted to, you know, I wanted to bring this
Speaker 2: to everybody today on the show, because so like a
Speaker 2: few nights ago, right, he performed at the Wiltern in
Speaker 2: LA to roll out his new album and it gets
Speaker 2: it turned into like a mini and Sync reunion, and
Speaker 2: some people were like, wow, that is so cool. That
Speaker 2: is really smart. That is how to get people interested
Speaker 2: in the album. But part of me is like, I
Speaker 2: wonder if the reunion is a way to get people
Speaker 2: to remember the Justin Timberlake that people were like less
Speaker 2: annoyed by, because in the last few years, right, I
Speaker 2: feel like his reputation has like faded, like as he
Speaker 2: like more people were talking critically about like he's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: you threw Janet Jackson straight under the bus, Like what
Speaker 2: the fuck was that about, Justin? Or what was going on?
Speaker 2: Like you and Britney Spears like you kind of you've
Speaker 2: kind of come off as like an asshole and his
Speaker 2: like response wasn't that great, or other times being like
Speaker 2: you sure love black culture, but you didn't really say much.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, Justin are you there? And like, I
Speaker 2: think he's recent SNL performance with the gospel choir like
Speaker 2: that definitely also got mixed attention. So I'm like, I
Speaker 2: liked the Justified album of two thousand and two, sure
Speaker 2: the subsequent records not so much, But I'm also not
Speaker 2: his target audience. But like after a future sex love sounds,
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty experience and then man, the in the
Speaker 2: Wooded Plane or whatever that album was, where he's wearing
Speaker 2: a faster shit in jeans, people just like starting to
Speaker 2: care less and less. So like, personally, I'm wondering for Justin.
Speaker 2: Timberlake is like the n SYNC reunion, his version of
Speaker 2: smashing the button that says do not break glass unless
Speaker 2: in case of emergency to be like shit, bro, like
Speaker 2: I need to fucking get a like a jet fuel
Speaker 2: injection into my relevance. Let me bring like, let me
Speaker 2: bring and sync back, because it's something he was very
Speaker 2: reluctant to do in the past. But I think maybe
Speaker 2: deep down he knew was something that could be potent.
Speaker 2: So then I'm like wondering if by embracing his clean cut,
Speaker 2: ramen haired past, he can try and get people to
Speaker 2: remember why they liked him when they were thirteen. And
Speaker 2: that's that's what I bring to the two of you,
Speaker 2: is what it like? Because I don't, I just don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think that he has the same amount of
Speaker 2: pull that he used to when people like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: Justin timble Lake's back, just like every subsequent Justin temble
Speaker 2: Lake's back has just been met with yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess. And is it more a function that like
Speaker 2: he peaked during a time where we weren't having like
Speaker 2: really honest conversations about like sexism, racism, appropriation and he's
Speaker 2: just a weird fit in like how we view all
Speaker 2: these topics now in this current era or is he
Speaker 2: just washed? And I'm thinking too much.
Speaker 1: It feels like if they're like this one could go
Speaker 1: either way. If there's like a bunch of great songs
Speaker 1: on the album that people respond to, then they'll find
Speaker 1: a way to get over all that other stuff. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but maybe all that other stuff and like that there
Speaker 1: just might not be like maybe all that combines to
Speaker 1: make to make whatever he's putting out there just not
Speaker 1: not resonate with people, you know, right, I don't know
Speaker 1: the Man of the Woods like I'll just say that
Speaker 1: Man of the Woods was not an album that no
Speaker 1: thought was put into. I'm sure like an entire you know,
Speaker 1: Ivy League Universities, graduating class worth of like marketing minds
Speaker 1: and like songwriters and all that shit like put We're
Speaker 1: working around the clock on that shit, you know, to
Speaker 1: try and make it as successful as humanly possible, and
Speaker 1: it just fucking flatlined, you know, just belly flopped into
Speaker 1: that pond in the middle of the woods that he
Speaker 1: was standing in for some reason on the album cover.
Speaker 2: Because it felt like like his like right word turn.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, Sila Way, what what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on the the psych the Timberlake cycles that we
Speaker 2: experienced popular culture.
Speaker 3: I think its back to it goes back to taste.
Speaker 3: Does Justin Timberlake and his team have their pulse on
Speaker 3: the the you know, their thumb on the pulse of
Speaker 3: anything that people are interested in or believe in. At
Speaker 3: the moment, I can't remember the last time that a
Speaker 3: Justin Timberlake song hit me, and I'm like, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is a banger in a way that I will forget
Speaker 3: all of his past defenses. You know, I'm still waiting
Speaker 3: for the recovery of Janet Jackson's career. I feel that
Speaker 3: that is owed the world and I feel very much
Speaker 3: like the you know, the scorched earth of his continued
Speaker 3: sisspician role back up the hill is you know, what's
Speaker 3: what's due to him for the fact that he destroyed,
Speaker 3: you know, an actual icon. So I you know, I
Speaker 3: just need to be married to a dutch Man. And
Speaker 3: what justin Timberlake reminds me of each time he rolls
Speaker 3: himself back out is how how hard my ex would
Speaker 3: try every time we went to a family barbie you
Speaker 3: to pick up the steps to the electric slide, and
Speaker 3: when he really felt like he was getting it, you know,
Speaker 3: it would show all over his face like he really
Speaker 3: he felt like he was in this time. And each
Speaker 3: time we were just you know, doing our best to
Speaker 3: just like you know, clap him, clap our hands and
Speaker 3: and parade him out and you know, like and make
Speaker 3: him feel good about himself.
Speaker 2: We love that for you.
Speaker 1: That's just like a child, their first like pedal.
Speaker 5: Baby, steps, you know, you're still like yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: but if we don't live there anymore, like that, you know,
Speaker 5: that was that was something that we were all doing
Speaker 5: in our twenties that just we've all gotten over.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, right, yeah, I mean that is the thing.
Speaker 2: Like I just feel like over the years that just
Speaker 2: like the not like every time people look back, you're like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: you fucking did. Janet's so fucking dirty like that, you're
Speaker 2: like that, Like I just remember that was like early
Speaker 2: on in our show, and I remember were talking about
Speaker 2: that because I think it was when talking about less
Speaker 2: Moon Vez and like when his all his allegations came
Speaker 2: out how central he was also to being like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna punish the black woman in this instance, and we're
Speaker 2: riding with Timberlake here and then yeah and even like
Speaker 2: as the like all of the attention was came around
Speaker 2: like Brittany and like all of her hardships throughout her
Speaker 2: career and how justin Timberlake wasn't the best partner. Like
Speaker 2: again you're like huh. And then again, like I said,
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, a lot of people are like this
Speaker 2: fool isn't saying shit about anything, And you are out
Speaker 2: here doing collaborations with black artists, black producers. You doing
Speaker 2: your whole R and B style is very black culture centered.
Speaker 2: Yet you're just you're really showing yourself as one of
Speaker 2: these vulture type people who's like, ye, all right, well
Speaker 2: I got what I wanted. And the second it's about
Speaker 2: like having a stance. I'm just gonna do my Kirkland
Speaker 2: signature moonwalk.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to like get the timeline on
Speaker 1: in Sink's original like Rise. So they came out in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven in Germany and then nineteen ninety eight internationally.
Speaker 1: That first album, it was just like that takes me
Speaker 1: back to a time when like that sort of shit
Speaker 1: only flew in Germany, Like that was that was the
Speaker 1: thing that was like popular that we were like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's like corny shit the German people are into. And
Speaker 1: then they're like our resistances were down, you know, towards
Speaker 1: the end of the Clinton administration, and they're finally let
Speaker 1: it in. And now we've been moving towards German history
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 2: Every Yeah, I wish we could go to Germany in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven rather than Germany nineteen thirty seven, I know,
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see, we'll see how it
Speaker 2: all pans out. But I do like, I like Sheila
Speaker 2: your observation that maybe more than washed or not washed,
Speaker 2: it seems more karmic than anything. Yeah, it's a look.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm all for a J. C. Schawse comeback.
Speaker 3: I am all for putting things together to put lambs
Speaker 3: on a spaceship, you know, but it's it's the Justin
Speaker 3: Timberlake come back for me. Then I'm like, well, this
Speaker 3: is what you get.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Justin Well he's doing what he can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right for real. I just feel like I should
Speaker 1: launch in Women's History Month, don't you guys think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, remember but I'll do it in sync though,
Speaker 2: so they remember that guy, not the the other dude
Speaker 2: with the murky ship. Just remember me when I wore
Speaker 2: that that matching denim outfit with Brittany. Please, that's me.
Speaker 2: That little boy.
Speaker 1: Romen hair is really like truly what what a what
Speaker 1: a look?
Speaker 2: So evocative.
Speaker 3: I can still hear it, you know, I can still
Speaker 3: hear it crunching underneath.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he puts a hat on. It's like like, b
Speaker 2: just step on a bag of chips. No, man, it's
Speaker 2: my jail. It s my la looks gel that I've
Speaker 2: been putting in here.
Speaker 3: Looks wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And finally, Bernie Sanders just introduced a bill proposing that
Speaker 1: the country adopt a four day work week without loss
Speaker 1: of pay. That last quote is important. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: assuming something that will immediately be ignored in the context
Speaker 1: of him proposing his bill and presumably in the execution
Speaker 1: of the bill if it ever picks up any sort
Speaker 1: of traction. But the four day work week is something
Speaker 1: we've been talking about for a while on this show.
Speaker 1: It is both in line with, you know, better quality
Speaker 1: of life, and also when it has been tried out,
Speaker 1: companies do better, their employees are healthier. That it's just
Speaker 1: more in line with what a company driven by human
Speaker 1: workers should be doing.
Speaker 2: It turns out, and well, it's like it's one of
Speaker 2: those things too where any ask any person who works
Speaker 2: five days a week, They're like, yeah, would you rather
Speaker 2: work for days a week? I'd imagine conservatively ninety eight
Speaker 2: That is, I would just say conservatively, right, because they're
Speaker 2: two percent people who are probably like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: there's no way I can get it all done because
Speaker 2: like you know, the boss was like, hold on, would
Speaker 2: your life be better if you only worked four days
Speaker 2: a week? The worker money, Yeah, the workers say, oh,
Speaker 2: hell yeah absolutely. But the people who are the ones
Speaker 2: in the c suites that you know, the owners of
Speaker 2: the businesses, are gonna then seed headlines like this in
Speaker 2: Fox Business that say, Bernie Sanders moves to reduce work
Speaker 2: hours for millions of Americans. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, sure, while also giving you way more
Speaker 2: time to do things that maybe will help you have
Speaker 2: a like more like life work balance. That's it's just
Speaker 2: very it's it's so misleading. But yeah, I just I'm
Speaker 2: curious how long it would take for something like that
Speaker 2: to really catch like momentum here, because you see it
Speaker 2: being trialed in Europe in Asia and the results, like
Speaker 2: we've said in past episodes, they always it's never like
Speaker 2: and then that company crashed and burned.
Speaker 1: More often than not, the company has come out and say,
Speaker 1: let's keep doing that. That worked out really well for
Speaker 1: us and our employees. And yeah, I mean, Sanders pointed out,
Speaker 1: it is like not a radical idea, it just makes
Speaker 1: more sense. People are more productive, happier, don't have to
Speaker 1: operate within a system literally created by evil, old timey
Speaker 1: car factory owners.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like it's just a system that we've been going with
Speaker 1: forever because that's where we started.
Speaker 3: You know, right, it's a win win, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, And like when you think about, like, well,
Speaker 2: what about efficiency, it's like people today work at a
Speaker 2: tick that has never been seen in human history. We
Speaker 2: are four American workers are four hundred percent more productive
Speaker 2: than they were in the nineteen forties, when a lot
Speaker 2: of people would say, you know, back in my day,
Speaker 2: I used to go here in the factory and then
Speaker 2: we would you know, do a couple of hate crimes
Speaker 2: and go home or something like that. Now we're talking
Speaker 2: about now, we're talking about people doing four hundred percent
Speaker 2: more than that. And it's like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: four days sounds risky. Sounds risky, Yeah, hardly.
Speaker 1: Anybody who works these days is drunk the whole day.
Speaker 1: That's a huge improvement over it like as recently as
Speaker 1: like thirty years ago. And if they are drunk the
Speaker 1: whole day, like that is viewed as a problem that
Speaker 1: they should deal with and not just like the standard
Speaker 1: order of doing business.
Speaker 2: You know, Sheila, what's your what's your like work life
Speaker 2: balance as a as a writer, you know, intellect like,
Speaker 2: do you do you have do you give yourself a
Speaker 2: certain amount of time that you'd like to be productive?
Speaker 2: How do you sort of use your time to be productive.
Speaker 3: I've really unsubscribed from the capitalist framework of working. So
Speaker 3: much in my work is catered around my dream like
Speaker 3: my literal dreams, trying to figure, you know, trying to
Speaker 3: decipher how to turn my dreams into stories that are
Speaker 3: prophecies of the future of our nation. You know, the
Speaker 3: last time that I worked at an office, What I
Speaker 3: would really love to see is a poll, really that
Speaker 3: a totally anonymous pole in which we looked at how
Speaker 3: much people are actually working within the frame of their
Speaker 3: work day, if they were supposed to, if they were
Speaker 3: going to sit down and say, because I just remember
Speaker 3: how much of the time I was a cat jiff,
Speaker 3: just trying to look busy, just tapping away at a
Speaker 3: computer for no reason, like I was really working a
Speaker 3: solid three and a half days out of the week,
Speaker 3: if I was totally honest with how I was spending
Speaker 3: that time. So if we actually let people have that
Speaker 3: extra day so that they regained a sense of mental
Speaker 3: health and agency. They too could go about their world's
Speaker 3: you know, looking at flowers and you know this coming
Speaker 3: up with the next great idea. You know, there's just
Speaker 3: so much more creatively that would come out of us
Speaker 3: if we had that option.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was. There was a super producer, Anahosys. She
Speaker 2: shared a clip with me of James McAvoy on a
Speaker 2: talk show and he was talking about how there's something
Speaker 2: about like how fifty percent of like the UK's award
Speaker 2: recipients went to private schools, like for when it comes
Speaker 2: to the arts, and he was saying about how the
Speaker 2: way that the arts are being pulled out of public
Speaker 2: instruction are is like this very insidious way to keep people.
Speaker 2: It's like sort of trapped in this mindset that the
Speaker 2: toil or the churn of capitalism. Now he wasn't using
Speaker 2: those words exactly, but that that's the only way to
Speaker 2: live and without exposure to the arts, you're fundamentally cutting
Speaker 2: people off from the ability to look at things in
Speaker 2: a broader context, in a way to interpret things that
Speaker 2: with like, with deeper meaning. And that is just one way.
Speaker 2: Because we see this, especially in the United States, how
Speaker 2: the arts are constantly being attacked when it comes to
Speaker 2: public instruction and like how important it is for people
Speaker 2: Like I look at my own life, like if my
Speaker 2: my father is a photographer, so I was just by
Speaker 2: like just osmosis around more artistic things. And luckily my
Speaker 2: school had a music program, so I got really into
Speaker 2: playing music. And I feel like, so I really do
Speaker 2: credit so much of that to like me thinking just
Speaker 2: in general that there's so many other things out there
Speaker 2: aside from like, well, do you want to be an accountant?
Speaker 2: Do you want to work in a trade? And not
Speaker 2: that those things are less than but like that, I've
Speaker 2: merely had the perspective to see many other possibilities. And
Speaker 2: that was a really interesting point about how that sort
Speaker 2: of affects the youth and sort of what the outcomes
Speaker 2: are later in life. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, the possibility of us being allowed to have ideas
Speaker 3: is destabilizing, and I think that's more frightening than anything
Speaker 3: to these big companies.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we saw that when people had more
Speaker 1: time during the pandemic. Everybody looked around and was like,
Speaker 1: this is fucking bullshit.
Speaker 2: But I I.
Speaker 1: Think it's interesting because your point that we're already working
Speaker 1: three and a half days a week, Like they have
Speaker 1: that data at this point, right, like your your work laptop,
Speaker 1: your work computer is loaded with spyware at this point,
Speaker 1: like Amazon is tracking their like their employees' bathroom breaks.
Speaker 1: They know what people are averaging out to. So that
Speaker 1: actually makes this whole movement and the fact that companies
Speaker 1: are willing to try out the four day work week
Speaker 1: make a little bit more sense to me now because
Speaker 1: I'm in the past, I've been like, wait, why are
Speaker 1: companies willing to like even entertain this, And it's probably
Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, yeah, well, people don't only work
Speaker 1: like three and a half days anyway, and so in
Speaker 1: this way, we actually get four full days out of them,
Speaker 1: and then they actually think we're being nice to them.
Speaker 2: The fact that.
Speaker 1: It's not being adopted more widely is it is a
Speaker 1: little wild that they're just like, yeah, but still, that's
Speaker 1: given them too much power, that's given them too much
Speaker 1: time to dream and come up with ideas for something better.
Speaker 1: So right, we're going to keep them in the cubicle
Speaker 1: just uh, we want our employees to spend at least
Speaker 1: ten hours a week pretending to be busy.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, what's writing your victor?
Speaker 1: But Victor was saying, oh yeah, yeah, right, super producer
Speaker 1: Victor was saying that basically every company that did this
Speaker 1: in a UK study said productivity either maintained or increased.
Speaker 2: So but sheer inertia data is right there. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: oh and I can I can totally see how it's
Speaker 2: the kind of momentum that business owners do not want
Speaker 2: to like contribute to, you know, because then they're like,
Speaker 2: what's next. They're going to start unionizing in mass then
Speaker 2: what are we going to do? Then they're really gonna
Speaker 2: then they're going to ask for us to share in
Speaker 2: the profits that that we're extracting from their labor. No, no,
Speaker 2: just but slowly, maybe what if we do, like, rather
Speaker 2: than forty hours, we start off with like thirty six,
Speaker 2: you know, and then and then we'll go down like
Speaker 2: maybe a half day Friday, and then maybe we can
Speaker 2: get rid of Friday completely. But yeah, it's just look,
Speaker 2: the proof is there in the pudding. Just it's right there.
Speaker 2: People are more productive and happier.
Speaker 1: Don't They usually just say, like forty hours over the
Speaker 1: course of four days, Like I feel like that is oftentimes.
Speaker 2: That's another version of it too. But like, you know,
Speaker 2: to what we're saying here, most people do not need
Speaker 2: forty hours depending obviously this is this is occupationally dependent,
Speaker 2: but like, you do not need the forty hours to achieve
Speaker 2: whatever their company's goals are. Yeah, obviously you can't do
Speaker 2: that if you're doing something like working as a like
Speaker 2: the health services or something like that. But yeah, many.
Speaker 1: Sandway Bill specific specifies forty two, making the national standard
Speaker 1: from forty to thirty two hours.
Speaker 2: So no, no.
Speaker 1: Loopholes already, big corporations, I mean shit, do fucking you know,
Speaker 1: like do three eleven hour days, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And then work three days a week if you've only
Speaker 2: got it to thirty two, because I'm only gonna work
Speaker 2: you know that quarter of those. Anyway, there you go.
Speaker 1: Well, Sheila, what a pleasure having you on the daily Zeitgeist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a joy.
Speaker 2: Where can people.
Speaker 1: Find you and follow you and all that good stuff?
Speaker 3: You can follow me at Shila Lawson on Instagram and
Speaker 3: you can find me in my latest book, How to
Speaker 3: Live Free in a Dangerous World, in which I say
Speaker 3: fuck capitalism and the patriarchy.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, now, now hold on, just to god
Speaker 1: damn second. Now I'm just joking I thought you were cool.
Speaker 3: I wait until the end to stick it to the man. No, yeah,
Speaker 3: no's do cool the whole time, and so we throw
Speaker 3: out what I actually do in my life.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please everybody go buy the book. And is there
Speaker 1: a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2: Fuck?
Speaker 3: I don't have one. I mean, And that's like the
Speaker 3: kind of hole that I had to stay in to
Speaker 3: write a travel book about trying to traverse the world
Speaker 3: in most decolonial ways possible. I can't stay on the
Speaker 3: internet like you know, the bots can do that for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. I was as good. People should go
Speaker 2: read your book then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's go back to reading people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I got through about the first forty pages and
Speaker 2: I'm around the party you're in Zimbabwe, uh, And it's
Speaker 2: very very eye opening as someone who's half black and
Speaker 2: trying to like have introspection around blackness and what that means.
Speaker 2: And I found that just this one passage I was
Speaker 2: reading about you in the car was very like eye opening.
Speaker 3: But yeah, when I went to Zimbabwe right after Trump
Speaker 3: got elected, and I was still afraid of getting arrested
Speaker 3: as a black person in a fully black country, you know, and.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh that's not oh see.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah you're yeah.
Speaker 2: So you're black from America. This is right different. Yeah yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I'm yeah. And your writing style is really it's it's
Speaker 2: like art, it's like pro So yeah, I really encourage
Speaker 2: people to to definitely check the book out because it's
Speaker 2: and I haven't gone through the whole thing, so maybe
Speaker 2: it might might right have it might take a weird
Speaker 2: turn about being anty capitalist or only suddenly it's.
Speaker 5: On the front, you know, colonial memory, colonial dangerous.
Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I'm not hitting anybody. I'm graph.
Speaker 1: Being at least one review being like now wait, just
Speaker 1: to goddamn second tier. What someone said this was like
Speaker 1: e prey love, keep your politics out of my memoir reading. Yeah, amazing, Well,
Speaker 1: truly a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having what was Dumbars Bulldogs Bulldogs, Bulldogs.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you really want to do a dumb Bar tribute,
Speaker 3: you could close out with the atomic Dog, but that's
Speaker 3: probably gonna cost a hell of a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Must feel like that.
Speaker 1: In this episode, will get a takedown notice because your
Speaker 1: vocals are so accurate, so accurate, Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Is there a work of media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, find me at Miles of Gray and all the
Speaker 2: app based platforms. Find Jackie and I Are Basketball podcast
Speaker 2: Miles and Jackie at Boostis. If you're like nance and
Speaker 2: trash Reality like me, you can also catch me on
Speaker 2: four to twenty Day Fiance. Let's see a couple of treats.
Speaker 2: I like this first one is so wild. It's just
Speaker 2: a at This is from at kel Swizzle. I know
Speaker 2: I'm at kel Swizzy. It says saving this for the
Speaker 2: next time I'm trying to rally the girls to go
Speaker 2: to the bars. It says like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: this is for real. I think it is because it's
Speaker 2: from it like an account that looks for like Christian
Speaker 2: content like this podcast. This feels I don't again, I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is satirical, but this is fantastic
Speaker 2: for anybody who's been around like evangelical people.
Speaker 3: We were talking about this.
Speaker 7: If you have already said yes to something, listen to
Speaker 7: me so carefully. If you've already said yes to something
Speaker 7: and then leading up to it you do not want
Speaker 7: to go, You're getting sick. You just tired, you don't
Speaker 7: want to go all these what if I just skipped?
Speaker 7: That is because God has something so big for you there,
Speaker 7: and the devil wants to steal it.
Speaker 3: There's something in his spirit.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're like, oh, yeah, I'm going to come make
Speaker 8: these plants.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be great.
Speaker 8: And then like leading up to it, you know that
Speaker 8: feeling like last minut where you're like, I want to
Speaker 8: just stay in my pajamas. I don't want to go
Speaker 8: sounds like work. I don't know, I'm scared. And then
Speaker 8: you say, no, Bro, that is an attack from the
Speaker 8: enemy because he knows that could be fruitful for you.
Speaker 2: Bro, that is an attack from the enemy Satan. I
Speaker 2: like that framing of it. I mean, there's probably a
Speaker 2: more like Buddhist way that would like appeal to me,
Speaker 2: but I like that's the devil trying to take your shine.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, okay, I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to steal career opportunities from you.
Speaker 3: When I go out with my friends, I tell them,
Speaker 3: if we go hard, this moves into a tax right off,
Speaker 3: you know, because it's just don't show them the next book.
Speaker 3: Let's make some money. People, let's make bad decisions.
Speaker 2: And then the the other one I like is at
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Speaker 2: and then the parenthetical boards a commercial Boeing flight.
Speaker 1: I need to find a friend who's a memoirrist so
Speaker 1: I have that motivation. That's amazing, just like yeah, right,
Speaker 1: just the motivation to be in the memoir. From the
Speaker 1: memoir if they go hard enough, it's a tax.
Speaker 3: It's a tax.
Speaker 2: That's those are fucking bars, right.
Speaker 5: The.
Speaker 1: Amazing let's see. Paula tweeted building my own Boeing plane
Speaker 1: out of the pieces that are falling off, and then
Speaker 1: Sean O'Connor tweeted something that an experience that I recently had.
Speaker 1: I just saw my first cyber truck in real life
Speaker 1: and I pointed and laughed and the driver gave me
Speaker 1: the finger and I just kept laughing. Solid ten out
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Speaker 1: just an amazing it's disorienting, embarrassing for the person driving it.
Speaker 1: I saw one with like a weird camo paint job and.
Speaker 2: It's a rap, Dude, that's a wrap. It's not paint job. Dude,
Speaker 2: it's a wrap to vinyl wrap. I can do anything
Speaker 2: I want, Dude. I can change it on a whim.
Speaker 2: I can make it look like marble if I wanted to. Oh,
Speaker 2: that's that's you've seen cars like that. I've seen cars
Speaker 2: that have I saw Tesla that was had a vinyl
Speaker 2: wrap that made it look like marble. Like no, I yeah,
Speaker 2: it's cool. Body.
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Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
Speaker 1: what song do you think people might enjoy it?
Speaker 2: I found this Okay, this artist isn't a nineteen years
Speaker 2: old from Chicago called lay Soul l E Y s
Speaker 2: o U L. And the second I started playing this track,
Speaker 2: I was like, this has like Erica bad vibes like it.
Speaker 2: I mean to be honest, it sounds instrumentally like a
Speaker 2: No I'm not gonna say, rip off, but a spiritual
Speaker 2: twin to the track, didn't you know? But the track
Speaker 2: is really cool and like I just sort of like
Speaker 2: where this artist is at, Like their inspirations are like D'Angelo,
Speaker 2: Jill Scott, Ericabadu and like you're nineteen, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: talk about taste. And this track is called Believe it
Speaker 2: or Not Intergalactic Janet. It's called Intergalactic Janet by Lay Souls.
Speaker 2: We'll check this one.
Speaker 1: Out, perfect song to go out on. Yeah, we will
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