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Speaker 1: Wood Jr. Today we're gonna be talking about the pink
Speaker 1: tax and the outsize costs of just being a woman.
Speaker 1: Lesplay the clipp.
Speaker 3: Being a woman can cost you, apparently an average of
Speaker 3: fourteen hundred dollars a year thanks to gender price discrimination.
Speaker 2: If you're a woman, just about everything cost you more
Speaker 2: than similar products marketed for men.
Speaker 3: It's called the pink packs. Research has shown women pay
Speaker 3: more than men forty two percent of the time. In fact,
Speaker 3: a recent study shows that starts from the time you
Speaker 3: were born until the day you die.
Speaker 1: Today, I'm joined by Daily Show correspondent Desi Lighteck and
Speaker 1: segment director Stacey Angele's, who both created this segment for
Speaker 1: the show Ladies.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hi Roy, Hello Roy joining us.
Speaker 1: Also, we are very lucky to have Congresswoman Jackie Spear,
Speaker 1: who was in the original piece with Desi, and this
Speaker 1: congresswoman has been fighting gender discrimination for twenty thirty years.
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Spear, welcome to beyond the scenes.
Speaker 4: It is my pleasure. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for letting me be a man in
Speaker 1: this woman's central time.
Speaker 4: Too bad.
Speaker 5: We don't rule the world though, because we're ruling this
Speaker 5: particular podcast.
Speaker 4: That's the problem. We're not ruling the world yet.
Speaker 1: I would be honest. I felt uncomfortable hosting this episode.
Speaker 1: I was like, make DESI need to guess host. I
Speaker 1: don't want to get in trouble.
Speaker 3: You're doing great, Roy.
Speaker 1: Okay, before we do anything, we have to define what
Speaker 1: the issue is. So deisi, Stacy, let's start off off
Speaker 1: the top. What is the pink tax?
Speaker 3: Well, the pink tax refers to the markup on goods
Speaker 3: and services that are specifically being targeted to women.
Speaker 2: In gender price discrimination. So, Roy, you everything you buy
Speaker 2: is cheaper than the same products we want to buy.
Speaker 1: Okay. So if we both bought deodorant, and your and
Speaker 1: mine is Man deorderant and yours is Woman deodorant, same brand,
Speaker 1: you're paying more than me, is what you're saying, Stacey.
Speaker 6: It's more expensive for us to smell good than for you.
Speaker 3: Which is why Stacy and I refuse to smell good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're lucky this is on zoom, Roy, because you
Speaker 2: don't want to smell this.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, let us back in the studio.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, nothing to do with COVID.
Speaker 1: So Congresswoman, Congresswoman, I'm sorry. I apologize for both of them.
Speaker 1: Why does the pink tax exist? And more importantly, how
Speaker 1: do manufacturers and retailers justify this tax?
Speaker 5: Well, the pink tax exists because it's a form of
Speaker 5: gender discrimination. It's not just about pink, it's about the
Speaker 5: fact that women's products cost more than men's products when
Speaker 5: they are basically identical. It is important for us to
Speaker 5: address this because, as we all know, women still.
Speaker 4: Make less than men.
Speaker 5: For every dollar a man earns, a woman makes eighty
Speaker 5: two cents. If you look at women of color, it's
Speaker 5: even more egregious. And that's real money when everything is
Speaker 5: said and done.
Speaker 1: Are there other examples of this other than deodorant? Kids?
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, as a man, this isn't something
Speaker 1: that you would normally think about because you're not buying
Speaker 1: a lot of women's items unless you're a committed strong
Speaker 1: man in a relationship like I am, so you're not
Speaker 1: aware of this. Give me what other items other than deyodorant?
Speaker 1: I have heard that women get worse deals on cars.
Speaker 4: But let me give you some products that kind of
Speaker 4: make the case.
Speaker 5: All right, Okay, So this is Dove deodorant for men
Speaker 5: and women. And as you can see here for a
Speaker 5: four pack, a woman's going to pay nineteen dollars and
Speaker 5: thirty nine cents. The man's going to pay thirteen dollars
Speaker 5: and fifty eight cents. That's just theodor Let's move on.
Speaker 5: How about probiotics for women? Thirty two seventy nine, twenty
Speaker 5: two seventy nine for a man.
Speaker 1: All right, this like the price is right. Let me
Speaker 1: guess that is the.
Speaker 5: Price is wrong though, that's the problem, always wrong.
Speaker 1: So the price is right needs to have a gender
Speaker 1: separate episode.
Speaker 5: Maybe, so huh So look at this. These are bibs, right,
Speaker 5: bibs for oy, bibs for girls, A dollar more for
Speaker 5: the girls bibs.
Speaker 4: Now, wait, there's more, what there's more? Oh my god,
Speaker 4: these are kids diapers.
Speaker 5: The kids diapers thirty seven dollars for the girl, thirty
Speaker 5: three dollars for the boy. But I'll show you the
Speaker 5: same discriminations.
Speaker 3: That's and boys have more happening to fill out diaper space.
Speaker 3: So really square footage, it should cost more for the men, right, probably.
Speaker 5: Because they need more absorbents, They need more absorbent material,
Speaker 5: so it's just right more right? Yeah, Now, we did
Speaker 5: this same study two or three years ago, and they
Speaker 5: were egregious around children's toys. So I had my interns
Speaker 5: do this just this week and this is what they
Speaker 5: found online at retailers throughout the country.
Speaker 4: So this is up to date, current. So what are
Speaker 4: we going to do about it?
Speaker 1: How does price discrimination add another layer to the wage
Speaker 1: inequality that women also deal with.
Speaker 4: Well, it's yet another blow.
Speaker 5: When I did the service review in nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 5: we've found out through the Assembly Office of Research in
Speaker 5: California that women were paying fourteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 4: In a gender tax every year, more than men. So imagine,
Speaker 4: on top of the fact that we're in a seat
Speaker 4: a she session, not a recession. More women are out
Speaker 4: of work than men. And there's one point three million
Speaker 4: women who have left the workforce since COVID hit and
Speaker 4: have not returned, in part because of the lack of childcare.
Speaker 4: This number is the highest number of women not employed
Speaker 4: since nineteen ninety one. So you couple that with women
Speaker 4: out of work, women getting paid less than men, and
Speaker 4: on top of that products and services are costing them more.
Speaker 4: There ought to be a law, and that's why I've
Speaker 4: introduced the Pink Tax Repeal Act and we have fifty
Speaker 4: one co sponsors on it.
Speaker 1: Now, this issue, this pink tax issue, when we talk
Speaker 1: about the say the word again, a she session, A
Speaker 1: she session, I like it. Does this she session strike
Speaker 1: women equally or even within that is their additional inequities
Speaker 1: based on race.
Speaker 5: Oh, no question, it's more egregious for women of color,
Speaker 5: African American women, Latino women, and the amount of loss
Speaker 5: and income is the greatest for Latina women.
Speaker 1: So your pink tax repeal at it's bipartisan and basically
Speaker 1: we're trying to get all of these manufacturers and retailers
Speaker 1: on the same plane to basically say, if it's something
Speaker 1: as simple as deodorant and it both keep both of
Speaker 1: y'all from being musty, it should be the same price.
Speaker 4: That's right, unless you can I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure it's not worded like that. I'm sure you worded
Speaker 1: it more professionally. You probably said FTC and Attorney General.
Speaker 1: You use a lot of other proper words.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 5: We did use more proper words to basically say, if
Speaker 5: you don't play by these rules, you're going to be sued.
Speaker 1: And so then the bill has forty eight co sponsors
Speaker 1: right now. Has there been any pushback that you've seen
Speaker 1: so far on your proposal?
Speaker 5: The numbers have grown, it's now at fifty one. I've
Speaker 5: talked to the chairwoman of the subcommittee.
Speaker 4: She loves the.
Speaker 5: Bill, and we're going to have a hearing on it
Speaker 5: and hopefully get it to the house floor within the
Speaker 5: next few months, and we can credit you with helping
Speaker 5: me get it over the top.
Speaker 3: Daisy, no credit here, no credit here.
Speaker 1: What role can consumers play in provoking change? And by
Speaker 1: consumers I mean men. We're the problem and.
Speaker 4: You are the problem.
Speaker 5: Well, the problem is that it's not illegal in most
Speaker 5: states to charge more for services based on gender or
Speaker 5: charge more for products. You should not be discriminating on
Speaker 5: goods and services based on gender. It should be based
Speaker 5: on the time it takes to do a service and
Speaker 5: what's in the product. Women pay about forty percent more
Speaker 5: to get their haircut than men do, and they pay
Speaker 5: about sixty percent more at the dry cleaners for the
Speaker 5: same service for the same item, and then for car
Speaker 5: repairs they pay about thirty percent more. Now in California,
Speaker 5: back in the nineties, I had legislation Paths that was
Speaker 5: signed into law that said for services you had to
Speaker 5: base it not on gender, but on the amount of
Speaker 5: time it takes to provide that service. For instance, I
Speaker 5: timed the last time I got my haircut. It took
Speaker 5: ten minutes, and I watched a man getting his haircut
Speaker 5: and it took longer.
Speaker 4: So if we do base it on time.
Speaker 5: Then I think you're going to see the tables turned
Speaker 5: a little bit, and then there'll be an outcry from
Speaker 5: you guys, because you're going to be paying more for
Speaker 5: your two dollars dry cleaning shirt.
Speaker 1: When would you say that you all were first aware
Speaker 1: of a pink tax existing, because you know, you got
Speaker 1: to figure you have a little bit of a blind
Speaker 1: spot to certain iniquities, and then one day you just go,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, when was When was your wait a
Speaker 1: minute moment? Congress warman, I started with you.
Speaker 5: It was when I took my husband's Oxford shirt shirts
Speaker 5: to the dry cleaner and they were, you know, a
Speaker 5: dollar fifty a shirt, and my Oxford shirt costs, you know,
Speaker 5: three fifty or four dollars.
Speaker 4: That's when I thought, wait a minute, something's wrong here.
Speaker 3: I can remember when I first started shaving my legs
Speaker 3: around six seven years old. I was a very hairy child.
Speaker 4: No, I was.
Speaker 3: Thirteen, twelve, thirteen somewhere around there, and my mom bought
Speaker 3: me a razor and some shaving cream, and I remember
Speaker 3: the Gillette razor being considerably more expensive than what men use,
Speaker 3: and my mom refusing to buy me that razor and
Speaker 3: also bought me a can of barbasol, like the old
Speaker 3: school men's shaving cream, And so when I shave my legs,
Speaker 3: I use like, I just use this stuff for ment.
Speaker 3: And I still, if I'm being honest, I still have
Speaker 3: an affinity for the smell of barbisol.
Speaker 6: That's why I just never shaved my legs. Mine was.
Speaker 6: I went through a terrible.
Speaker 2: Phase where I had we'll call it pixie haircut to
Speaker 2: be nice about it.
Speaker 6: And I went to a hair.
Speaker 2: Salon and the girl's haircuts were like about twenty to
Speaker 2: thirty dollars more, and I was like, why, I'm literally
Speaker 2: getting the same haircut as that guy in the chair.
Speaker 2: And I just at the time thought that they were
Speaker 2: just a really like sexist hair place. And they were like, oh,
Speaker 2: well women, you know you guys have more layers. I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's the exact same haircut. And then it wasn't until
Speaker 2: I went to your office and I was ashamed. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, this is a thing, like
Speaker 2: another thing to add on top of everything else.
Speaker 6: So you opened my eyes, congresswoman good.
Speaker 5: We want to open the eyes of both men and
Speaker 5: women in this country to recognize that this is another
Speaker 5: form of discrimination that we've got to stamp out.
Speaker 1: Well, Congressoman, I know we don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: time with you, and I want you to be able
Speaker 1: to get back into those halls of justice and fight
Speaker 1: with all of those idiots that you see on the
Speaker 1: floor every day. Yes, I know that. You know, after
Speaker 1: about four decades in public service in the form of politics,
Speaker 1: you've made the decision to retire. So you know in
Speaker 1: your own words, you know, just tell us what's next
Speaker 1: for you? What does retirement look because I'm always I
Speaker 1: feel like people who are four people and who fight
Speaker 1: for the people. You don't turn that off.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: Look, I have buddies that are retire firefighters and now
Speaker 1: they train firefighters. There's still something else that they do
Speaker 1: that's adjacent to helping people. So what does retirement look
Speaker 1: like for you? Have you decided what that with the
Speaker 1: next four decades is going to be?
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know exactly, but all I'm doing is
Speaker 5: going home because I made a commitment to my husband
Speaker 5: that I would spend more time at home. So I'm
Speaker 5: going to continue to be engaged, use my voice.
Speaker 4: I want to start.
Speaker 5: A nonprofit foundation for the region in which I live,
Speaker 5: and I want to continue to give back, so I
Speaker 5: will continue.
Speaker 1: To do that. Well, Congress from and Spirit, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for going beyond the scenes with us, And
Speaker 1: I'll be sending you an email. I have some discount
Speaker 1: deodorant that I will be more than happy to sell you.
Speaker 4: Dare you. I'll send you some of that pink stuff
Speaker 4: that I have.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough?
Speaker 4: Great to be with you than you. Bye bye.
Speaker 1: So after the break, Deisi and Stacey and I would
Speaker 1: like to talk more about how this segment came together.
Speaker 1: This is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back, Daisy, Stacy,
Speaker 1: walk me through how this peace came to be? Because
Speaker 1: the congresswoman is presenting a whole bunch of different stuff
Speaker 1: and y'all only have four minutes, maybe five and a
Speaker 1: half to break down this issue. How can you break
Speaker 1: down centuries of inequality against the woman in five minutes?
Speaker 6: Get ready to feel bad about yourself? Roy?
Speaker 4: Get ready?
Speaker 1: How does peace come to be? Just walk me through
Speaker 1: the germination of it in the building.
Speaker 3: Well, Stacey and I were making a special for Comedy
Speaker 3: Central called DESI Light It Abroad. You can find it
Speaker 3: on Paramount Plus. Stream it now anytime you feel like
Speaker 3: getting out of your living room, traveling the world.
Speaker 2: I think it.
Speaker 3: Plays better now than it did, and things are still
Speaker 3: just as bad as they were when we filmed it,
Speaker 3: so it's still totally relevant.
Speaker 4: Yay.
Speaker 3: Anyway, and Congresswoman's Spear was kind enough to talk to
Speaker 3: us for the special, and I think we only had
Speaker 3: like you said, we only had a few minutes of
Speaker 3: time with her, not only to shoot but in the
Speaker 3: actual piece itself, and she was able to beautifully shed
Speaker 3: a light on all of the discrimination that women face
Speaker 3: when it comes to wage inequality and healthcare. But one
Speaker 3: thing that came up when we sat down and spoke
Speaker 3: with her is the pink tax. And we definitely talked
Speaker 3: about it a little bit in that interview, but there
Speaker 3: just wasn't enough time, so Stacy and I felt like
Speaker 3: we really wanted to do a bigger piece on it.
Speaker 3: So she was kind enough with her time to give
Speaker 3: us a whole other interview, So we went back to
Speaker 3: DC and did an entire piece on the pink tax.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean in her office had all those products, so
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that it existed, and I just
Speaker 2: remember like that kind of overshadowed what we were there
Speaker 2: to talk about not really, but it was just like
Speaker 2: we just didn't know, and we were both very outraged
Speaker 2: about it, and we just exchanged a glance.
Speaker 6: We're like, we're going to.
Speaker 3: Do it segment on this, something on this Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: one of the des trying to flip a table. Well
Speaker 3: I did. I did slip the table. I pulled my
Speaker 3: back and it hasn't been the same since. But I
Speaker 3: destroyed some furniture.
Speaker 2: She couldn't use ointment on her back because it costs
Speaker 2: more for a woman than it did a man.
Speaker 6: So she's exactly.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: It was one of those things where like, as a woman,
Speaker 3: you notice small things that come up, like, oh, why
Speaker 3: is that so much more expensive than this one? Oh well,
Speaker 3: I guess I'll just buy the men's version. Or why
Speaker 3: am I paying three dollars more for my husband's shirts
Speaker 3: at the dry cleaners than my own? Oh well, I
Speaker 3: guess I just will boycott dry cleaning Now. Little things
Speaker 3: like that, you clock. But we didn't realize how huge
Speaker 3: the issue was until she really pointed it out.
Speaker 1: Stacey in the building. For the listeners who don't know this,
Speaker 1: you are like, there's two types of segment directors. They're
Speaker 1: the people who go, Okay, what's the story and how
Speaker 1: do we make this funny? And then they are the
Speaker 1: people that are more like hearted and go, I'm funny.
Speaker 1: How do I keep this funny? There's too much sad
Speaker 1: shit in my funny. Oh no, I've got to add
Speaker 1: more sad shit to my.
Speaker 6: Why am I getting in the care all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: No, this isn't a bad thing because it's it's the
Speaker 1: balance and it's just cereal. It's it's cereal and milk.
Speaker 1: Some people put milk in the bowl first, then the cereal.
Speaker 1: Some people put you get what I'm saying, what savages?
Speaker 1: Savages know a cereal. There's people out there who do it.
Speaker 3: Now, there's only one way to do it.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's still a bowl
Speaker 1: of cereal. It's my point. And to me, you have
Speaker 1: a different approach from a lot of the other segment directors.
Speaker 1: So how do you navigate the seriousness of a topic
Speaker 1: with humor? Like, how are you able to balance that?
Speaker 2: Well? I hope I balance it, but with for this
Speaker 2: particular segment, I think one of the good things about
Speaker 2: working with Desi is we both have an absurd sense
Speaker 2: of humor. I think we bonded over our love for
Speaker 2: like Naked Gun and Airplane, and we've pitched a lot
Speaker 2: of ideas. I'd always get shut down. And I think
Speaker 2: one of the vehicles I'd like to use to tell
Speaker 2: the series story is like kind of showing it in
Speaker 2: an absurd way to get the point across ups, not
Speaker 2: just like statistics and facts and whatever.
Speaker 6: So we were like, let's show away.
Speaker 2: That there's this gender price discrimination by maybe going to
Speaker 2: a store and kind.
Speaker 1: Of wait in a store. Was the store open or
Speaker 1: did we rent out the store and we just shot
Speaker 1: in a store.
Speaker 4: We can't afford that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we don't even get crafty.
Speaker 3: We have to like, you know, sneaking corn nuts in
Speaker 3: the stock room now it was fully open. We were
Speaker 3: dodging customers.
Speaker 6: I mean it was fun running.
Speaker 2: Me and the g went down one aisle because we
Speaker 2: were scouting the aisle. We're like, oh, let's do this here,
Speaker 2: and then there was like a lady shopping for like
Speaker 2: canned peas and you're just taking her time. We're like, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: I'll go to another aisle, and we just had to
Speaker 2: keep working around the customers and how.
Speaker 3: We do it, it's how we do it at the day.
Speaker 3: Don't like you've never shaved your legs in the middle
Speaker 3: of a grocery.
Speaker 4: Store before, of course, of course, yeah, and.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it was just fun.
Speaker 2: And then you know, Dessie and I work, I mean,
Speaker 2: her ideas are just as Sertais of mind. We just
Speaker 2: piggyback off and like take it to this extreme place
Speaker 2: where hopefully it goes. And you know, we just do
Speaker 2: it till they shut us down. And we thought, let's
Speaker 2: just do it in a way where we go to
Speaker 2: the grocery store and Asie investigates it. I don't really
Speaker 2: know what their justification of you, like sneaking around it was, Oh,
Speaker 2: because you weren't paying for it.
Speaker 6: You weren't going to pay for it.
Speaker 3: So right, I had to go very incognito almost Yeah,
Speaker 3: real investigative work. Well, I think that's the thing that
Speaker 3: makes us laugh so hard, is like us taking our
Speaker 3: jobs way too seriously. So anytime we have an opportunity
Speaker 3: for me to just take my job too seriously and
Speaker 3: not do it that, well we one thousand percent. But
Speaker 3: Stacy is one of my absolute all time favorite directors
Speaker 3: to work with. She no, you really like you. She's
Speaker 3: so good at not only being a collaborator, but what
Speaker 3: you said, like, Stacy's excellent at knowing how to tell
Speaker 3: a story clearly, including all the facts, making sure that
Speaker 3: there's an arc to it, making sure that we're we're
Speaker 3: telling the full picture, but also making it really funny.
Speaker 4: And then she also has.
Speaker 3: A really unique visual comedy brain, so she tries to
Speaker 3: direct the pieces in a way where she's she gets
Speaker 3: creative and finds new ways to tell the story that
Speaker 3: didn't exist to begin.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, you guys, stop, it's.
Speaker 1: True truth, Like your mind works in a different way
Speaker 1: to get to the same bowl of cereal, y'all. I
Speaker 1: had a game show in the middle of.
Speaker 7: Like yeah, where no one wins, men win as displayed,
Speaker 7: and some of these products we have with us today
Speaker 7: and again we call.
Speaker 2: I mean dosie and I just again, like without trying
Speaker 2: to be preachy, we just try to put it in
Speaker 2: a fun package that can like kind of speed it up.
Speaker 2: Because also we have to, like we have that time
Speaker 2: challenge where we have to make it as interesting as
Speaker 2: possible and give as much information as possible in like
Speaker 2: a short window of time. So we're like, why don't
Speaker 2: we do a because you kind of automatically go to
Speaker 2: the prices, right, you know, mindset when you're doing this.
Speaker 2: And so I think it was a collaboration between both
Speaker 2: of us because Jackie, Congresswoman Jackie Spear, wanted to show
Speaker 2: off all the products.
Speaker 3: Thirty four dollars, two forty four dollars. Oh great, So
Speaker 3: while your little girl is learning how to walk, she'll
Speaker 3: also learn how to navigate the system that's exploiting her.
Speaker 5: Sorry, these are two children's snarkles.
Speaker 3: Eight eighty four sixteen twenty two for the pink, So
Speaker 3: women literally have to pay more to breathe. Sorry.
Speaker 2: I just love Dozi's graphic face going sorry in between
Speaker 2: all the products.
Speaker 3: This is where you're so good though, because like anything
Speaker 3: where it's like data heavy or number heavy or too
Speaker 3: much information, Stacy always comes up with a way to
Speaker 3: get it out quickly and efficiently in a really fun
Speaker 3: visual way.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you very much for saying that.
Speaker 1: Is there anything Doesie that got cut that you wish
Speaker 1: had made it? There's always one joke for his correspondence,
Speaker 1: there's always one joke. We go, come on, man, you
Speaker 1: cut that is this time?
Speaker 3: There were so there were too dumb that one of it.
Speaker 3: This was a brilliant visual gag that Stacy came up with.
Speaker 3: We're in the grocery store. I was like army crawling
Speaker 3: on my elbow on the floor, like chin almost to
Speaker 3: the grocery store floor. This was clearly before COVID and
Speaker 3: it was so dumb. But we we did so much
Speaker 3: foot of footage of that, and just because of the
Speaker 3: fact that we spent I spent so much time on
Speaker 3: that floor, I thought, well, this should make it in piece.
Speaker 6: It was the cameras were I wasn't even if she
Speaker 6: would do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then the other thing.
Speaker 3: Do you do you remember sitting down with Ryan, the
Speaker 3: economy professor, and for some reason we discovered this like
Speaker 3: flirtation that I had with him where I was suddenly
Speaker 3: in love with him. In the middle of the piece,
Speaker 3: we had this weird runner where I kep like under
Speaker 3: my breath telling him.
Speaker 6: That I loved him.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do with anything, but I think
Speaker 3: it wound up. It was like it remained in the
Speaker 3: first two or three cuts because we just found it
Speaker 3: so dumb, and at a certain point I think people
Speaker 3: were like, that's not what this piece is about. Your
Speaker 3: love for this man is not It's not gonna make it, Dozzi.
Speaker 2: I would say, Also, almost every time Dosy does her
Speaker 2: own stunt work, she puts her heart and soul into it,
Speaker 2: and it always gets cut. She'll be like, there's a
Speaker 2: there's one thing we did where she fell into a
Speaker 2: bunch of trash bags.
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, a needle poked whatever.
Speaker 2: And then also in the grocery store, you were testing
Speaker 2: out razor scooters and you knock down paper tiles, which
Speaker 2: we immediately felt bad.
Speaker 6: We had to stack back up afterwards because we didn't
Speaker 6: want to.
Speaker 4: Like, Oh no, I forgot about that. Yeah, there's a struction, believe.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the pink tax starts at an early age, infancy,
Speaker 1: even and you all are parents, you know, Stacey, you're
Speaker 1: a new mother. Have you noticed the difference between boys
Speaker 1: and toys, like, because I'm sure you've bought toys for
Speaker 1: the people's children. What Daisy has a son?
Speaker 8: You like?
Speaker 1: Have you noticed have you started noticing the pink tax
Speaker 1: and the prevalence of it even at such a young age,
Speaker 1: even with a Bye Bye Baby fifteen percent off coupon?
Speaker 6: I do get those in the email every single day.
Speaker 6: It's a large You say that.
Speaker 4: You need.
Speaker 6: I know that's true.
Speaker 2: I didn't start paying attention to this stuff till we
Speaker 2: did this segment, and.
Speaker 6: So now I'm like, are you aware of it?
Speaker 2: And I would say, for the most part, like all
Speaker 2: those toys, which by the way, it's just a rip
Speaker 2: off of an industry, but it's a separate piece. The everything,
Speaker 2: for the most part seems to be equal. But there
Speaker 2: was this one kid's activity gym. I don't even know
Speaker 2: why they called a gym, like those you know, the
Speaker 2: stupid things they lay on with all those crap pain
Speaker 2: And there was one, yeah, and they there was one
Speaker 2: that was like a very stereotypical pink with like unicorns,
Speaker 2: that was like a couple of dollars more than the
Speaker 2: mail version. It's just a couple of dollars, but still
Speaker 2: it's the principle of it. And I like the other
Speaker 2: one better, but it's I've noticed it in that. And
Speaker 2: also another another like one of those crop what are
Speaker 2: those crinkly toys?
Speaker 6: A couple of those same. Yeah, I don't know those
Speaker 6: sensory things. I'm still learning. I'm still very new. I
Speaker 6: don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: But I called the poppers the poppers poppers.
Speaker 6: We call them the poppers.
Speaker 1: I'm going to call them that from I've seen those.
Speaker 6: I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 2: No, I was talking about the prinkly paper things for
Speaker 2: the sensory things when they start to grab crap.
Speaker 6: But whatever, Oh, I know what is that?
Speaker 1: I don't hang on. It's a popp it.
Speaker 6: It's just I don't understand. Just what is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just holes and you just pop little.
Speaker 6: Just like the new slat bracelet from the eighties.
Speaker 1: I don't this poppit for a boy costs four dollars
Speaker 1: for a girl ninety seven dollars.
Speaker 6: What else? I believe it?
Speaker 1: Just this basketball for a boy thirty seven cents for
Speaker 1: a girl nine hundred dollars. I'd love doing this show
Speaker 1: in my son's rooms.
Speaker 4: I just like that.
Speaker 6: I just give me my toys.
Speaker 3: Roy's going around telling people that he's buying his son poppers.
Speaker 1: I'm like, after the break, I want to talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about solutions and ways that we can try
Speaker 1: and bring about change to the pink TAXX. I know
Speaker 1: that the congresswoman is doing her part, but we won't
Speaker 1: also talk about some of the marketing and the strategy
Speaker 1: and how retailers have been able to pull this off.
Speaker 1: This is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back home.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to beyond the scenes as we bring this
Speaker 1: conversation about the pink tax home. The pink tax where
Speaker 1: women need a quality on the cost of goods and
Speaker 1: services in spite of the fact that eventually men pay
Speaker 1: for the dates and y'all get in free for ladies
Speaker 1: night and the strangers at a bar, and that saves
Speaker 1: you a lot of money, Yet you steal. Want to
Speaker 1: how hilarious would that be? If that had been my
Speaker 1: position with the congress.
Speaker 2: Woman, I'm like, we're hell well, she just takes her
Speaker 2: DJ headphones off, slams AND's.
Speaker 1: Like, yore. We didn't have enough time.
Speaker 6: Winner.
Speaker 1: But I seriously, with a straight face, I was just
Speaker 1: gonna ask congress congress woman, do women getting in free
Speaker 1: for ladies' night offset some of these things that you
Speaker 1: say our iniquities?
Speaker 3: Yeah? How about all the doors I've opened?
Speaker 1: Oh how fucking hilarious would that have been? But we
Speaker 1: did not have time.
Speaker 3: Get her back, get her back on the phone, get
Speaker 3: her back, let's get her back.
Speaker 1: So does and the piece you talk about the term
Speaker 1: pink it and shrink it. What is this pink it
Speaker 1: and shrink it marketing strategy and why is it problematic?
Speaker 3: Well, contrary to the there's a common misconception that that
Speaker 3: is just the surgery that a woman has to rejuvenate
Speaker 3: post birth. It is not that it is actually pink
Speaker 3: it or shrink it pinked and shrink it. Yeah, it's actually,
Speaker 3: from what I understand, a marketing term when you take
Speaker 3: an item that is made for men or a gender
Speaker 3: neutral item, and you shrink it down to the size
Speaker 3: for a woman, and you make it pink specifically to
Speaker 3: market it to women. So essentially it should cost less,
Speaker 3: but inevitably it costs more.
Speaker 1: So we literally just go, oh, it's for ladies. Look
Speaker 1: it's in a pink box and smaller, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: charge you more. Should we move more towards gender neutral products?
Speaker 1: What's the solution to this stacy?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's crazy that congress Woman's been
Speaker 2: fighting this for decades and there's still I mean, when
Speaker 2: Desie and I were trying to think of like a
Speaker 2: way to come up with a solution to this, we
Speaker 2: were like people were saying, why don't you just buy
Speaker 2: the mail version and then Desy does that beautiful long
Speaker 2: zoom in shot where you're like, oh, sure, it's just
Speaker 2: another thing to add on to all the obstacles we
Speaker 2: have to do to be a woman. And for me,
Speaker 2: that speech you give is like the thesis of this
Speaker 2: whole thing.
Speaker 3: How can women afford to live in this world?
Speaker 6: If the man's version is cheaper, then just buy that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, if you think about it, it's just one
Speaker 3: extra step and a series of extra steps that women
Speaker 3: take every day to thrive in a man's world, Like
Speaker 3: how we get up a little extra early every morning
Speaker 3: to put on an outfit that looks professional yet accessible,
Speaker 3: but not too accessible because we don't want to be
Speaker 3: taken advantage of. Or how we walk an extra five
Speaker 3: blocks to work so that we can avoid the construction
Speaker 3: zone because men like to.
Speaker 6: Tell us to smile more.
Speaker 3: And when we get to work, we want to make
Speaker 3: our voices heard, but in a way that's helpful and
Speaker 3: strong without being overbearing or shrill.
Speaker 4: You know, we do all of this.
Speaker 9: Without even an ounce of resentment, because resentment causes wrinkles
Speaker 9: and society does not value aging women. Is there a
Speaker 9: men's wrinkle cream that you can recommend?
Speaker 6: Yes, there are several. Sure, it costs less maybe a little.
Speaker 2: To me, that was the most important part of the segment.
Speaker 2: And DESI did it all in one freaking take.
Speaker 6: Beautiful.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: She looked like she was crying inside as she was
Speaker 2: doing it, because as you should. When we were talking
Speaker 2: to people, they were all like, just buy the man's
Speaker 2: paduct just buy the mans product.
Speaker 6: It's like, no, that's not the point.
Speaker 3: Women often do have to take extra steps throughout the
Speaker 3: day just because they're a woman, and so this shouldn't
Speaker 3: be one extra step that they have to take. I
Speaker 3: don't know what the solution is, but it should not
Speaker 3: be one more thing for a woman to have to
Speaker 3: go out of her way to do.
Speaker 6: People just stop being assholes. Just let us all be equals.
Speaker 1: Stop over pricing stacy in three sentences, are less solve
Speaker 1: economic sexism?
Speaker 6: Please, ready goes, I'll do it in one second.
Speaker 2: No, I don't stop stop doing it, guys, to stop,
Speaker 2: make it quit, make it stop.
Speaker 1: Maybe a simple solution is all of the goods that
Speaker 1: charge more for women's versions of the product. Maybe in
Speaker 1: the male versions of the commercials. Maybe there's just like
Speaker 1: a woman that just pops up in the middle of
Speaker 1: it so that we can make these products more gender neutral,
Speaker 1: because commercials are very gender divisive. Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 1: if you look at like a raise, disess the gellet
Speaker 1: raise and you can shave you like the blade comes
Speaker 1: out the line and the guy grabs it and then
Speaker 1: just by the show you shave, you'll face and then
Speaker 1: just have a woman's tap pop in and women too.
Speaker 1: That's all the time we have for today. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much to our guest Daisy Ladick, Stacy Angele's and
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Jackie Spear for taking us beyond the scenes. Listen
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